Avalon4 with global shipping can be purchased here!

[Avalon-pr]

Avalon4 with global shipping can be purchased here!


Chip Parameters:

Packaging: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: ~25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G


Related documents:

Datasheet: http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3222/datasheet/
Reference design: http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3222/avalon4/
More information: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon4


Avalon4 Parameters:

Chips: 40x Avalon4 A2322
Rated mining speed: 1300GH
Rated working voltage: 12V
Power consumption: 730W

This is not Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) or his company Avalon. This product is designed, manufacturered and sold by engineers (ngzhang etc) who left his company and founded Canaan Creative, Ltd. in Beijing, China

FAQ and Technical Support

Dogie's comprehensive setup guide in super HD!

Configuration (TL-WR703N)

Wiring:

• Plug one 4 pin cable connected from the 4 pin header on the unit to the micro USB adapter.
• Connect a micro USB to USB cable to the micro USB adapter, and then plug this into your controller.
• More units can be added by plugging another 4 pin cable from the second unit to the first unit's other 4 pin header.
• Plug in a /hCQilO]network cable from the WR703N to your router, and power it on.

Configuration:

• Power on the power supply using its switch at the back.
• Make sure or your router's subnet is 0, ie 192.168.0.x. If not then change it to 0, this is just temporary. ***If this is not possible, see below***
  
• Using a browser, navigate to 192.168.0.100 - this goes to the WR703N's configuration page.
• Login using "root" as the username.
• Navigate to Network -> Interfaces -> WAN -> Edit.
• Change protocol to DHCP and click "Save & Apply".
• Using a browser, navigate to your router and find the IP it has assigned the WR703N and navigate to that IP.
• Navigate to the page Status -> Miner Configuration. Enter your pool information in the below format.
• Navigate to the page "Miner Status" to check mining has started.
• You can then change your router subnet back to whatever you are used to using.

Alternative Subnet Change:

• Unplug your computer from all internet sources.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the WR703N to your computer.
• Navigate to Control Panel -> Network and Sharing Centre -> Change Adapter Settings.
• Right click on your ethernet adapter -> Properties.
• Click on "Internet Protocol Version 4" and click properties.
• Select "Use the following IP address" and enter the following:
• IP Address: 192.168.0.1, Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0, Default Gateway: 192.168.0.100.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the WR703N to you router.
• Restart the configuration instructions as above.

Configuration (RaspberryPi)

Wiring:

• Plug one 4 pin cable connected from the 4 pin header on the unit to the micro USB adapter.
• Connect a micro USB to USB cable to the micro USB adapter, and then plug this into your controller.
• More units can be added by plugging another 4 pin cable from the second unit to the first unit's other 4 pin header.
• Plug in a /hCQilO]network cable from the WR703N to your router, and power it on.

Configuration:

• Put the SD card into another computer.
• /jtdHMl]Download the RasperryPi Avalon 4 OS image (sdcard-vfat-ext4.img)
• /A22fj5]Download the Win32 Disk Imager and use it to flash SD card with this image.
• Put SD card into RaspPi and power it on.
• Power on the power supply using its switch at the back.
• Make sure or your router's subnet is 0, ie 192.168.0.x. If not then change it to 0, this is just temporary. ***If this is not possible, see below***
  
• Using a browser, navigate to 192.168.0.100 - this goes to the Raspberry Pi's configuration page.
• Login using "root" as the username.
• Navigate to Network -> Interfaces -> WAN -> Edit.
• Change protocol to DHCP and click "Save & Apply".
• Using a browser, navigate to your router and find the IP it has assigned the Raspberry Pi and navigate to that IP.
• Navigate to the page Status -> Miner Configuration. Enter your pool information in the below format.
• Navigate to the page "Miner Status" to check mining has started.
• You can then change your router subnet back to whatever you are used to using.

Alternative Subnet Change:

• Unplug your computer from all internet sources.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the Raspberry Pi to your computer.
• Navigate to Control Panel -> Network and Sharing Centre -> Change Adapter Settings.
• Right click on your ethernet adapter -> Properties.
• Click on "Internet Protocol Version 4" and click properties.
• Select "Use the following IP address" and enter the following:
• IP Address: 192.168.0.1, Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0, Default Gateway: 192.168.0.100.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the Raspberry Pi to you router.
• Restart the configuration instructions as above.

FAQ

Problem	Solution
What temperatures should I aim for?	- Try to achieve <60C for long lifetimes. Temperatures should not be let to rise above 70C.
How can I tell what firmware version I have now?	- Navigate to Status -> CGMiner API Log and look at "Firmware Version".
Where.can.I.find.the.latest.firmware.for.the.WR703N?	- Download the latest firmware from /OC6TFg]here (the WR703N.bin).
Where can I find the latest firmware for the Pi?	- Download the latest firmware from /jtdHMl]here (the sdcard-vfat-ext4.img).
How do I install the latest firmware?	- Download firmware as above. Navigate to System -> Upgrade and click "browse". Select the downloaded file and click "Flash image". Do NOT interrupt this process or you will brick the unit.

My.power.supply's.cables.are.braided.or.aren't.color.coded

- See below diagram for pin-outs. http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y530/dogiee/th_5_zps00eb3a34.png

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

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[RoadStress]

Encapsulation: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: 25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G

Can you prove the stated performance?

[bbxx]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

[MasterRadix]

Ahaha this must be a joke

[klondike_bar]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

whats wrong with that? By the time you build a PCB, receive chips, and assemble the entire thing you'll have a device that costs only 3BTC/TH by late october!

[Xer0]

[Blazed]

Scammers gonna scam   

[J4bberwock]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

With such a small quantity, they can be considered samples, so price isn't that bad.
Larger quantities can expect something like price at least cut in half I hope

[ChuckBuck]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

[Blazed]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

LOL who would trust these guys again anyways...

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

The more important thing is that the W/GH is moving down to 0.5 at chip (likely 0.7 system) which will push pressure on the BE200s. Hash rate density is up 4x on the last chips which is a great indicator that prices will be competitive with anything BE200 based.

[bbxx]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

[jimrome]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!  

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

LOL who would trust these guys again anyways...

Not surprising this thread gets shit on by the retard rabble within minutes of posting... Have any of you jackasses even looked into these products? Or who is making them? Of course not.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[RoadStress]

Scammers gonna scam   

Why do you think they have a new user? I propose to leave some negative trust ratings for OP!

[marto74]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

[Finksy]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

The more important thing is that the W/GH is moving down to 0.5 at chip (likely 0.7 system) which will push pressure on the BE200s. Hash rate density is up 4x on the last chips which is a great indicator that prices will be competitive with anything BE200 based.

It just seems to me that they are a day late and a dollar short, in comparison to the BM1382 28nm powered finished hardware that has already dropped in price to BTC1.28/TH of mineable product, and quite likely drawing similar power.  Shouldn't they be rushing these chips out the door trying to play catch up, instead of charging more than retail for an un-developed product to keep these said developers in line?

I guess this means pre-orders should be opening up soon.

[Bicknellski]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

[dogie]

It just seems to me that they are a day late and a dollar short, in comparison to the BM1382 28nm powered finished hardware that has already dropped in price to BTC1.28/TH of mineable product, and quite likely drawing similar power.  Shouldn't they be rushing these chips out the door trying to play catch up, instead of charging more than retail for an un-developed product to keep these said developers in line?

I guess this means pre-orders should be opening up soon.

As with all Avalon products, this will likely be pin compatible with the last generation so you just drop it in and alter the power delivery. The density is higher than BM1382 and costs will be lower. Seriously what is so hard to understand that this is the initial super limited test batch? They're not holding volume back, if you want volume then wait for the actual reels to come in.

[Tigggger]

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

I got royally screwed by avalon but they aren't on my boycott list as I appreciate it's not Yifu anymore

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

[marto74]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

You can not resist, do you TROLL
And could you be so kind to share your projects progress ?

[Niggle]

p.s.  single module is coming soon

Any info on this module?

[loshia]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

Hey bickLEDski,
We all know that the main reason for doa miners is the chip price. I am talking in general. You are the one who was receiving free chips in quantities right?
And what you have blinking LEDs alive on arival right
Ops I beg your pardon it was just a YouTube video and no one has seen them alive  
So let me remind you that Christmas is coming so get your ass back to work. Walmart is waiting for your LEDs.  
You know I remember the picture of you wasp pool with the bug behind your ass

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/the-wasp-project-collective-information-thread.240650/page-14


I am wandering how is your ass lately doing
By the way con made a free pool open sourced . It is brilliant pice of work. All you need to do is steal it and put wasp logo on it. So hurry up  
That is where you are good at
And to troll of course

[cesarm]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

[Avalon-pr]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

engineering sample still needs 1~2 weeks

[J4bberwock]

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I totally agree with this, but for the manufacturer of the chip, it's more profit to sell less chips on a board for the same price/hashrate.
And for the "independant" builders, the chips are expensive, so they need to do the same, but only to have a fair margin.
I was looking at building my custom boards, mainly for my own use.
The chips would cost me almost half the price of the finished product, and final price was similar to what is actually selling at 0.6$/GH
I had to put roughly 30% more chips on the board to reach better efficiency.
At this point, you'd better buy a finished product and undervolt it, unfortunately.

[marto74]

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

I got royally screwed by avalon but they aren't on my boycott list as I appreciate it's not Yifu anymore

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I could not agree more.
BUT depends on pricing.
AM is asking 0.3 USD per GHS for bare chips based on overclocked range and in the same time 0.32-0.4 for full un assembled solution.
Usualy sweet spot is @ about 60-70 % of the full speed ASIC chip can do , but the pricing of chips is in the overclocked mode range .
Ant thoughts ?

[Bicknellski]

I have respect to AM and Bitmain past achievements, but they're not high on my list. I don't believe China will be able to compete in 2015

Can you elaborate as to why?

I'm under NDA with various parties, so I can't give concrete information.

In general, to win in 2015 you'll need in descending order of importance:
1) Team or access to team with years of circuit design experience in advance nodes.
2) Access to cheap electricity - sub 0.03 $/KWh or less
3) Cheap production

From what I was able to learn, the Chinese teams (including some publically unknown) has only (3) above.
Some of them are rushing to bleeding edge nodes (TSMC 16 or Samsung/GF 14) but it's not enough.

These competition points raised by Sptech could be valid, but i think he forgot about a major factor that may undermine the whole industrials at this point: btc price..
Whatever cheap electricity or manufacturing costs you could get, peofitability will be driven by btc price obviously. And with it stabilisîng or tanking even more, some rushers might get squeezed and go bankrupt.
Interesting times ahead.

Under current BTC value, the bounty is $1.2BN until the next block incentive halve.
For sake of argument (only ), let's assume you're able to develop 0.2 $/GHs or 0.1 $/GHs (or below ) hardware.
How does the math look like ?

Just don't bother buying broken down over priced crap is the lesson for today. Especially from people that have failed to adequately deliver on time to spec consistently. Avoiding this offering might save you more coin in the longer term given the realities of the marketplace.

Avalon's math doesn't add up nor will Marto's. Look elsewhere people.

[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

[Blazed]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

[Finksy]

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

Lol



I was going to hold out for a new BFL product to post that, but might as well here.

[dogie]

This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

[This message won't be monitored, discuss your concerns in the thread.]

[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

[Avalon-pr]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

[Avalon-pr]

Encapsulation: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: 25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G

Can you prove the stated performance?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine  
You'll never be disappointed

[Avalon-pr]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

Sample chips for developer

[Avalon-pr]

Ahaha this must be a joke

We will see.     

[RoadStress]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine 
You'll never be disappointed

Why not show a proof? People need to pay for the chips in order to see for themselves the performance? Post a damn picture, video, whatever! Otherwise it's BS because you can write whatever you want in the datasheet.

Scammers!

[dogie]

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Canaan Creative is the company name, Avalon is the product brand name like Antminer.

[Lincoln6Echo]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time  

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Even though Yifu has left Avalon (Canaan Creative or whatever) all other particpants like ngzhang are responsible for the Scam of last year!  

Avoid by all means! Scam!

[jimrome]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time  

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Even though Yifu has left Avalon (Canaan Creative or whatever) all other particpants like ngzhang are responsible for the Scam of last year!  

Avoid by all means! Scam!

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're in good company in this thread.

[Avalon-pr]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine 
You'll never be disappointed

Why not show a proof? People need to pay for the chips in order to see for themselves the performance? Post a damn picture, video, whatever! Otherwise it's BS because you can write whatever you want in the datasheet.

Scammers!

LOL
Here's the pictures.
http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5gw1ej52bpvlkzj31g02kg7wh.jpg
Avalon3 deployment.
http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ejfjrw00lnj31kw0bhn0s.jpg
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ejfjs22dpgj31kw0cfjvo.jpg
More than 20K Avalon3 modules @ Inner Mongolia.

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek9v0nnfxej30qo0f03z3.jpg
Avalon4 chips and avalon nano usb miner.

http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek0lmbm9r4j318g0p0adh.jpg
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek0lmckcq2j318g0p0jy0.jpg
Chips.


And now?

[jimmothy]

Zhao Dong's farm?

[Avalon-pr]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

[jimmothy]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

Who owns it?

Same location as Zhao's?

[RoadStress]

LOL
Here's the pictures.
........

I wanted proof of the 28nm chips. Speed and power consumption.

[Avalon-pr]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

Who owns it?

Same location as Zhao's?

There're several buildings, Zhao owns some of em, so are we.

[Rabinovitch]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

[Avalon-pr]

LOL
Here's the pictures.
........

I wanted proof of the 28nm chips. Speed and power consumption.

Avalon4 single module will available at October 2014.

As @Dogie says  we are “Only sells in hand hardware and has done so for over a year.”

And before marketing, we'll send several samples to some media(like @Dogie etc.) to do a review.

[Avalon-pr]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

That's avalon3(2014-03), avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

[Xer0]

that sticks look cool, i want one!

[Rabinovitch]

avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

I want it! I need it right now! I'll take two!!! 

[jimrome]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

That's avalon3(2014-03), avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

Okay - well just make sure you have your fan logic sorted out by then

[Avalon-pr]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:

https://i.imgur.com/eZnsaRH.png

290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

SAMPLE CHIPS.

Avalon4 will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2)  ~700W ~490USD

[marto74]

Our team ordered samples

[Avalon-pr]

Our team ordered samples

Shipped 

[vipgelsi]

Good deal but difficulty just wont stop going up

[goodney]

These are interesting...

Anyone want to go in together on a batch of the samples?

-a[g

[Alchip]

  support!

[Rabinovitch]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

[ChuckBuck]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

That's always the conundrum with buying Bitcoin miners, isn't it?

Buy lesser efficient hardware now, or more efficient hardware in a month or 2, but not after a few difficulty jumps.  Risky either way.

[Finksy]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

That's always the conundrum with buying Bitcoin miners, isn't it?

Buy lesser efficient hardware now, or more efficient hardware in a month or 2, but not after a few difficulty jumps.  Risky either way.

But it's not a conundrum really, you can buy 28nm finished products right now for BTC1.28/ TH/s that draw ~800W at the wall (S3's).  They don't have 2 months, they need it out now. If I was them I would be giving chips away to developers to get their products and testing done ASAP.  The only way they will make money on this is if people fall for the pre-order trap, like they always do.

[sikke]

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon4

Wiki is updating

[marto74]

Can you provide contact for technical questions?
If you look in the datasheet PDF of the chip:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
lowest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Wich one is correct ?

[marto74]

Next questions:

1.  Can we do like that  :Power  0.9 V -> pin1 VDDIO  [ chip N]  pin42 VDDIO -> pin1 VDDIO [chip N+1], without connection on PCB between pin1 and pin 42 on the same  ASIC

2. VDDPLL is pin 14 ; pin 29 is  NC(not connected). Can we use  pin 29 for VDDPLL to the next ASIC

3. The NC (not connected ) pins do they have some function ( i.e. Inputs, Outputs etc.)

[Avalon-pr]

These are interesting...

Anyone want to go in together on a batch of the samples?

-a[g

sold out!   
restock needs few days

[Avalon-pr]

thank you very much for your time and attention.

please see this:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
the highest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Can you provide contact for technical questions?
If you look in the datasheet PDF of the chip:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
lowest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Wich one is correct ?

[marto74]

Thank you .
As far I still do not have contact for technical questions .
Please andswer to the rest questions .
Here is a new one too:
Not clear how to calculate the register contents for the clock Configuration
Fout = Fref * NF / NR * Next -> what means Next?
Now is calculated OD, BWADJ.
Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words in the A3222Q56 Configure Sequence - (Clock Configuration 2, Clock Configuration 1, Clock Configuration 0)

[xiangfu]

Hi

You can email to this mailing list:
  http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
(All canaan creative developers was there)

And you can join the IRC #avalon @freenode.net
(Most of the developers was there)

I can answer one of this question. [Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words]:
Because there ~4000 cores inside the Avalon4 28nm. so we split those 4000 cores to three group. then we can make the three group work at different clock. this is a great design I think. that can make all core work at best condition base on voltage and clock.

I will update your questions to wiki(en.bitcoin.it/wiki/avalon4) then others can see the answers.

BTW:
I have forward your question to mailing list. (http://lists.canaan-creative.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-September/thread.html)
Xiangfu

Thank you .
As far I still do not have contact for technical questions .
Please andswer to the rest questions .
Here is a new one too:
Not clear how to calculate the register contents for the clock Configuration
Fout = Fref * NF / NR * Next -> what means Next?
Now is calculated OD, BWADJ.
Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words in the A3222Q56 Configure Sequence - (Clock Configuration 2, Clock Configuration 1, Clock Configuration 0)

[xiangfu]

Forward to mailing list.

Xiangfu

Next questions:

1.  Can we do like that  :Power  0.9 V -> pin1 VDDIO  [ chip N]  pin42 VDDIO -> pin1 VDDIO [chip N+1], without connection on PCB between pin1 and pin 42 on the same  ASIC

2. VDDPLL is pin 14 ; pin 29 is  NC(not connected). Can we use  pin 29 for VDDPLL to the next ASIC

3. The NC (not connected ) pins do they have some function ( i.e. Inputs, Outputs etc.)

[marto74]

Avalon 4 samples are here , just waiting for the testboard  next week to start test

[technobitMarto]

http://s17.postimg.org/4wsjsy0r3/first_board.png

Technobit
Avalon 4   16 chip board
Hex16a4

[technobitVesi]

Avalon 4 board ready for tests

http://s14.postimg.org/w0e92f38h/20141008_190749.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/4oj012yht/20141008_190802.jpg


upload pictures online

Regadrs: Vesi

[kingcolex]

Avalon 4 board ready for tests






upload pictures online

Regadrs: Vesi

Exciting stuff, looking foward to see the @wall power consumption.

[dogie]

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

[technobitVesi]

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

We prepared both bottom and top to be ready.
Will see
http://s27.postimg.org/5h7j89pc3/20141008_204531.jpg

[ManeBjorn]

Will the heatsinks have a better orientation for cooling in say a hot/cold isle data center setup?

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

We prepared both bottom and top to be ready.
Will see

[dogie]

This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

[This message won't be monitored, discuss your concerns in the thread.]

[technobitVesi]

Avalon 4 single chip running @ 24 Ghs - 16W


http://s8.postimg.org/fsqosp6wl/24_GHs_1_chip_23_GHs_real_for_several_hours.png

[Rabinovitch]

Ok, waiting now for cheap, highly efficient, quiet and cold miner. 

[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

[kingcolex]

240w for the technobit miner (400gh) anyone else do anything with these chips?

[dogie]

240w for the technobit miner (400gh) anyone else do anything with these chips?

They'll be an Avalon 4 unit retailing very soon.

[Rabinovitch]

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[ManeBjorn]

Very soon. :-)

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[dogie]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

[stan258]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

[Blazed]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

[dogie]

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

At some point in November.

[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

[dogie]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

This isn't Avalon, although I don't think we're going to agree on this.

[yxt]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

[Xian01]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

In retrospect, I'm not sure who the bigger asshole is. Yifu or ngzhang.

Both have shown contempt towards the community and it's customers. As tempting as these products are, I hope people ignore them on principle.

Avalon have fucked over Bitcoiners so incredibly badly, I'm surprised they haven't burnt the name and rebranded entirely.

[Blazed]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

[dogie]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

Avalon was a company run and owned by Yifu - he and that company are the ones that took preorders. Canaan Creative is a company owned and run by ngzhang. Your disagreement is with Avalon. [To avoid any further confusion, 'Avalon' is also used as a product name, ie Avalon4.]

If I or anyone else knew where Yifu ended up, I'd tell you.

[yxt]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu!
Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone?
You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts.

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by   ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

[jimrome]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

Ignorant comparison, seriously people why don't you familiarize yourselves with the a situation before opening your yaps?

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

The only real similarity to the two is their open source model (read: non-thieving). IMO Yifu's only positive contribution to the bitcoin-circus was his promotion of this ideal.

[dropt]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

Yifu was the face of Bitsyncom.  We don't actually know who else was behind the scenes other than ngzhang, who is also a part of Canaan.  So in reality, we don't know enough to say whether it's the same group or not, nor who was at fault for what happened with the original Avalons.

[marto74]

@ dropt
precise and balanced as always .

My personal experience with Avalon project :
1. Avalon 1 -  a few months delay GB and miners  with a lot of drama and troubles
2. Avalon 2 chips - best service @ the time from all chip suppliers
3. Avalon 3 - 1 month delay in chips sales lunch and then it was too late for the chip in terms of efficiency. But all the present big producers/farms in china were online and hashing already
4. Avalon 4  we jsut finishing the project will see where it goes .
Since 2 gen of chips communication, support and delivery were always spot on 

[Xian01]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

ngzhang != Different crew

[dogie]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu! Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone? You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts. I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

This is the official line, its not my 'personal view'. However its also what I've said for months and months and months.

I think we should be asking do you have any proof that Avalon was NOT owned/run/founded by Yifu, otherwise you're saying everyone is guilty until they prove evidence otherwise. You may have shipped your product to Avalon, but who retained the money from them? Yifu.

Ngzhang raised his own funds and started from scratch, entirely separate from Yifu. Again, if you have a problem with trade ins then you need to find Yifu and sue him. Chasing Canaan Creative (24 months) after is like me spamming your shop thread because Canary owes me a miner [which he doesn't, theoretical].

[dogie]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

ngzhang != Different crew

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

[Xian01]

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community.

The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

It's nice and all that they are under new management, but the sadistic horror of their first gen fiasco is still a bitter memory to those of us that went through it, and short of selling these with COD terms to us old-timers as a good-will gesture to restore faith (a stark contrast to the hate-fuck they gave us all for prepaying them last time and not getting things well beyond their own stated "no bullshit" terms), I can't imagine how anyone with a recollection of their prior antics isn't twitching with PTSD-induced flashbacks right now.

[dogie]

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community. The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

The engineering team came away from Avalon with almost nothing, in stark contrast to the others. Again though, you're asking to be compensated by a totally different company. If you feel like you were wronged with gen 1 then sue Yifu's US company [Avalon]! Heck you could even sue CC if you think you have a case but it will get thrown out after 5 minutes.

You're also mixing the engineering team with 'Avalon'. These are the people that designed the chips, made the software and that's about it. They engineered, others sold / failed to deliver timely / delayed refunds etc etc. This team was doing their jobs designing Avalon2 at the time.

for prepaying them last time

They've only been selling in hand hardware for way over a year now, you might not have participated in it but Avalon2 and Avalon3 were sold from in hand in huge quantities.

[Xian01]

They've only been selling in hand hardware for way over a year now, you might not have participated in it but Avalon2 and Avalon3 were sold from in hand in huge quantities.

Fair enough, yeah, I do recall that (selling from stock over the last year). To your point, I had zero interest in the Avalon2 and 3 stuff. This 28nm stuff piques my interest, however, and I start getting flashbacks

Fucking Yifu...

[Bicknellski]

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community.

The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

It's nice and all that they are under new management, but the sadistic horror of their first gen fiasco is still a bitter memory to those of us that went through it, and short of selling these with COD terms to us old-timers as a good-will gesture to restore faith (a stark contrast to the hate-fuck they gave us all for prepaying them last time and not getting things well beyond their own stated "no bullshit" terms), I can't imagine how anyone with a recollection of their prior antics isn't twitching with PTSD-induced flashbacks right now.

There were millions in damages and no apology, no real compensation and we are as community happy now because they shipped units that were not as competitive as others being offered?

Why is anyone waiting on this latest offering when there is absolutely no way to find a return on this investment? Because a paid spokesperson is spinning the message?

Walk away from Avalon and give them same respect they gave the community in past. They deserve no quarter and it is fair say that there are still injured community members that were never properly compensated. Again do not buy from these people when you have other options. Perhaps Bitmaintech yet another company represented by a spokesperson. Which is a better offer? That is the real question.

[sniffinpoprocks]

Maybe TerraHash can come out of the woodwork and buy some of these chips? Then they can sell some more vaporware.

[Blazed]

Well I got burned last time with the group buy of chips, so that is why I do not like them. Did they ever really explain what exactly happened with everything? It does sound like it is different now, but getting burned left a really bad taste in my mouth...All in all it doesn't really matter since mining even with free power is not worth the efforts these days 

[dogie]

There were millions in damages and no apology, no real compensation and we are as community happy now because they shipped units that were not as competitive as others being offered?

Where are the law suits for those damages? But again, this isn't Avalon.

Why is anyone waiting on this latest offering when there is absolutely no way to find a return on this investment? Because a paid spokesperson is spinning the message?

Have I once said buy Avalon4? No. Have I once said buy x y z hardware in my role? No. Do you run a hardware company yet spam every thread with "do not buy"? Yes.

Walk away from Avalon and give them same respect they gave the community in past. They deserve no quarter and it is fair say that there are still injured community members that were never properly compensated. Again do not buy from these people when you have other options. Perhaps Bitmaintech yet another company represented by a spokesperson. Which is a better offer? That is the real question.

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

[dogie]

Fucking Yifu...

Does anyone know where he actually ended up?

[Bicknellski]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

Listen dude.

Were all grown ups.

Admit the reality MILLIONS were lost because of Avalon the same people paying you to spin the message you are spinning now. You can't justify their wrong doing by the nobody sued them mantra. (Ask Marto and Technobit.eu pretty much the same deal) We all know what they are and what they did. Ethically they don't have what it takes to play with SPTech, Bitmaintech or AsicMiner and Bitfury. It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow. Why would anyone even look at 28nm Avalons given they can't turn a penny and are definitely a loss across the board. Just because they pay you doesn't me we have to listen to you polish this turd of chip.

Bottom line this version of the chips is too late for anyone to make a penny. Stop pushing shit that is just not going to fly at any price.

[marto74]

Bick ,
this tread is about A3222 chips.
go back to your tread and troll there please.
We all know your opinion , did we?
Please stay on topic

[dogie]

It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow.

Take it to mining speculation please.

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

[server]

 
NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

Highly unreliable.

Bad for Bitcoin.

[dogie]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

[dogie]

NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

See his comments RE tradeins here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=604853.msg6692419#msg6692419 and here: http://bbs.canaan-creative.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204&extra=&page=1. I don't have any more information on that, but you're welcome to pass details on.

[server]

NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

See his comments RE tradeins here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=604853.msg6692419#msg6692419 and here: http://bbs.canaan-creative.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204&extra=&page=1. I don't have any more information on that, but you're welcome to pass details on.

Details I want to pass: Highly unreliable. Avoid.

[Bicknellski]

It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow.

Take it to mining speculation please.

No. I don't get paid to ignore how purchasing any Avalon 4 based miner is a money loser why should I be taking that to mining speculation. It is fact not speculation.

It is a fair assessment of Avalon 28nm chips and units.

Way way too LATE no way to ROI do not buy AVALON 4 based miners. Compared to current miners already shipping you are recommending people to wait and then buy something that is not even ready or tested yet? With no reasonable timeline for production? Sorry but no one should recommend the Avalon 4 chip based miners if it is not even in production at this time given the competition already have comparable chips in tested units shipping now including your other benefactors Bitmaintech.

You have better options. Buy from people currently selling in stock. And definitely steer clear of Technobit version given their Minion board group buy still woefully late and riddled with RMA problems.

Do not wait or delay to buy something that at this point is not even tested yet. Insanity and disingenuous to say the least.

Guess we need a new thread to rate paid spoke people on their bias now.

Is buying anything Avalon 4 based a good miner purchase given the other companies selling 28nm tech right now? Be honest.

[ProfMac]

I looked at the EHash.com web page for these chips, and I see a 1 BTC price for 20 chips, delivering 25 GH/s for 0.6 W (worst case)

That turns into 500 GH/s for a batch of 20 chips, and 300W for a batch of 20 chips, without any supporting hardware or other energy losses included.

I dropped those numbers into a mining calculator, and I calculate a return of 0.356 BTC, or a loss of almost 2/3 of the purchase price.

Does anyone have a more optimistic view of these chips?

[dogie]

I looked at the EHash.com web page for these chips, and I see a 1 BTC price for 20 chips, delivering 25 GH/s for 0.6 W (worst case)

That turns into 500 GH/s for a batch of 20 chips, and 300W for a batch of 20 chips, without any supporting hardware or other energy losses included.

I dropped those numbers into a mining calculator, and I calculate a return of 0.356 BTC, or a loss of almost 2/3 of the purchase price.

Does anyone have a more optimistic view of these chips?

Its not the actual price of the chips (or miners), and was for an extremely limited test run of the chips from about a month ago. The price was purposely high to disincentive non developers or one developer from hogging all the chips and blocking others out from testing.

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

The trick that Avalon team pulled with customers chips worth of ~$8M that were supposed to be delivered in July-August. Rumor is they sold it to a third party and then they made paying customers wait additional time. You must remember it.

[Xian01]

You must remember it.

"But... but... IT'S NOT THE SAME AVALON" 

[Blazed]

I am with you guys...I would NEVER support this "Avalon" group. Also I can not really trust in what dogie says about them since he is on their pay roll.

[RoadStress]

You must remember it.

"But... but... IT'S NOT THE SAME AVALON" 

I know that and I hope that dogie will not pull one of Inaba's schemes to say: "Hey in that team there were X people, now they are X-Y people, ergo they are not the same"

[Bicknellski]

Dogie's posts about BFL on June 6th 2013

So much shit in here its not even possible to go through it all. I couldn't give a shit if BFL shipped 3000000000000 chips tomorrow or Avalon decided to mine themselves. Its a shit company who is laughing so hard at anyone with a preorder.

If you ordered from Newegg and they offered you a money printing machine, and said "next week", laughed at you when you questioned them, then didn't do anything for 9 months but continue to make false promises. Why do you put up with it? Because you are blinded by greed.

*what if they ship my 1.5TH minirig tomorrow, what if what if what if*

BFL will have a documentary about then im a few years, and you'll all be referred to as victims xD


<Then a little later he posts...>

Rather than a giant paragraph, lets look at the facts/rumours/likely case:

30000000 fucking threads QQing about BFL every day
bitcointalk forum members probably make a decent chunk of the orders by $, due to singles, minirigs not exactly being impulse buys + the fact BFL spends SO much money advertising here
Their 1000 donation to 'charity' was scummy as hell
BFL can't be in a good financial position. Even if they had taken on 7 figure injections of cash, they've burnt SO much and have still made $0 from actual ASIC product that they're in a risky position
You are free to refund whenever you want
BFL are extremely vulnerable to private litigations for the false promises and failure to deliver
BFL would undoubtedly get bukaki'ed by government agencies if an investigation was to occur. Assets frozen etc
BFL would get spit roasted if the FCC found they were selling these uncertified products, even if it is just $7000 worth in 9 months LOL

The solution? A mass refund exodus. Everyone requests a refund at the same time. As many orders cancelled at once as possible. What if you're the last one in and they can't refund you, they get their assets frozen or seized? Better refund.

The momentum is too much, the cash flow is too much, the investors bricking themselves too much. BFL is forced to pull the plug, the rest of the orders get refunded. BFL ceases to exist, the real boys (Avalon, ASICMiner + DIYs) can use your money. The power is in your hands, no one elses.

tldr: Either force a refund tsunami or stfu
Edit: Added disclaimer, I have investments in ASICMiner and Avalon, however it doesn't change my outlook towards BFL. If I had been around at the time, I'd also have 10 preorders and going mental like you all.


Edit: Oh and look, refunds cancelled. Poor Josh, he's more scared of a Tsunami than SE Asia. Must have nightmares, all those lies for nothing ^_^

Oh the good old days...

What if the Avalon 4 units ship. What if?

Again these chips and any potential miner are exactly like BFL 1.5 TH minirigs or 'vapourware' you mentioned in 2013, they are a huge WHAT IF.

Oh how we forget what it is like to be free and willing to admit the truth about a unit and a company. Much much easier when you are not paid to omit the reality and spin it and avoid the topic by calling it 'mining speculation'. Clearly you didn't seem to mind pointing out the futility of relying on a company that didn't provide a definite or believable timeline. October is now November for these units. What is the development timeline? Show us something more than 'November'.


Josh Zerlan replied to Dogie on June 6th, 2013

So let me get this straight... Dogie is advocating a mass refund on BFL, who has a bunch of mining hardware. Lets say Dogies exceptionally brilliant plan came to pass (which is, in and of itself completely ridiculous, but we'll table that for now). Hypothetically, what do you think a company, faced with all pre-orders canceled, yet holding onto hundreds of TH of mining equipment is going to do? Say "Oh noes! Bye!" ... or do you think they'd press that hardware into service?

Yes, by all means, cancel all the orders, lets see how well that ends up working out.

For the record, BFL is capable of refunding all of the preorders in the queue and remaining in business. Would we have to pare down on employees? Sure we would, but then again, we wouldn't need so many employees if we aren't doing customer service anyway.

[marto74]

Cut the spam please!
and stay on topic.
May be you can share any troubles with the design of the chip or something related to the topic?

[loshia]

Cut the spam please!
and stay on topic.
May be you can share any troubles with the design of the chip or something related to the topic?

BickLedsky can stay on Leds only
I am wandering why he is so keen to spread his spam everywhere and why he thinks that someone gives a shit about that...
I am wandering how soon his friends will be turn into enemy number one

[Bicknellski]

BitSyncom / Yifu,

What are you going to do about the trade-ins that still have not been added to the store accounts?

Thus far you have done nothing.  Its been about 5 months.  Please take care of the trade-in issues.

5 months means 97% of the intrinsic value of a mining machine. By delaying 5 months, Yifu Guo essentially take away the 97% value from this program.

And I am very sure that this is intentional. They have planned this. They don't want to hold their words from the very beginnng. In the early time of this year, I talked with Xiangfu, a well known developer close with ngzhang (张楠庚）and Yifu team. He has tens of FPGA, but he just sold it on the market. I asked xiangfu why and he told me "he does not pay his attention on the trade-in program. (我并不关注这件事情。）" And I think xiangfu must have very early message from these liars that they planned to deliver the trade-in machine at very late stage, essentially destroy their words to the early supporters.

From Yifu Guo and ngzhang (张楠庚）, I learnt how low a fucker can be. Liar. Scammer. Greedy.

We have not forgotten what Avalon did.

It is a fair warning to the public not to buy from Avalon given the nature of this company. It is not off topic.

Nor is it wrong to question the viability of these chips and any boards made from them. They are not viable and people should avoid this investment.

Update: Endgame

With ASICMINER today announcing blades for as low as 3.5BTC, it appeared that Avalon chips that do not mine today are not going to break even any more. While those blades went already out of stock after some hours, the new price for mining rig is officially set. Essentially this means that if Avalon does not ship the remaining chips fully within the next two weeks, they become worth less than their shipping costs.

Driven by this event, today I was flooded with refund requests that built up a queue of ~2000 chips. I do not expect any takers for this and it is realistic to assume that there will be no further refunds.


I am sad to admit that I do not believe in a fast and complete delivery of the remaining batches. This stopped to be a game the moment this group-buy alone funneled $500k to Avalon. Although we have only a small set of 'no BS rules', we still have a written commitment to deliver in time as part of the ToS. With so many community members taking a loss directly or indirectly through Avalon failing to meet their schedule, we (together with other customers) need to consider taking serious actions to end this tragedy.

At this stage our options are as follows:

• A. sit and wait
  That was my tactics so far, assuming that civilized and respectful behavior will ensure to get our chips as fast as possible. This in fact might have been the reason why so far our group-buy got more chips than others, at the same time with a delivery of one batch per month our last will arrive mid 2014 - ready for re-direction to the Bitcoin museum
• B. demand full refund
  The majority would be fine with getting their invested coins back and let this chapter pass into oblivion. According to Avolon's ToS, there will be no refunds. But if they really care about Bitcoin and its community and realize how much harm they caused to so many of us, they might consider playing fair and send us the coins back. This implies that you do not want your chips any more.
• C. negotiate for compensation
  While refunding all orders might exceed Avalon's capabilities, they might prefer offering a compensation in form of free chips or free upgrades to next-gen ones. This implies you would like continue dealing with Avalon.
• D. legal action
  Leave the polite arena and sue them into ground; make an example of them and put an end to the pre-order madness in Bitcoinland. This implies you are willing to throw more good money after the bad - for a very limited expectation. Your money would feed some poor lawyers and Avalon if needed will declare bankruptcy (they said they do not control the collected funds any more).

I personally will approach Avalon with options B and C for now and consider combining forces with other group-buy organizers for D if we do not hear back within a reasonable time-frame. If you have a different opinion you'd like to share, please do so either here or via PM.

[dogie]

At this stage our options are as follows:

• A. sit and wait
  That was my tactics so far, assuming that civilized and respectful behavior will ensure to get our chips as fast as possible. This in fact might have been the reason why so far our group-buy got more chips than others, at the same time with a delivery of one batch per month our last will arrive mid 2014 - ready for re-direction to the Bitcoin museum
• B. demand full refund
  The majority would be fine with getting their invested coins back and let this chapter pass into oblivion. According to Avolon's ToS, there will be no refunds. But if they really care about Bitcoin and its community and realize how much harm they caused to so many of us, they might consider playing fair and send us the coins back. This implies that you do not want your chips any more.
• C. negotiate for compensation
  While refunding all orders might exceed Avalon's capabilities, they might prefer offering a compensation in form of free chips or free upgrades to next-gen ones. This implies you would like continue dealing with Avalon.
• D. legal action
  Leave the polite arena and sue them into ground; make an example of them and put an end to the pre-order madness in Bitcoinland. This implies you are willing to throw more good money after the bad - for a very limited expectation. Your money would feed some poor lawyers and Avalon if needed will declare bankruptcy (they said they do not control the collected funds any more).

I personally will approach Avalon with options B and C for now and consider combining forces with other group-buy organizers for D if we do not hear back within a reasonable time-frame. If you have a different opinion you'd like to share, please do so either here or via PM.

If you're back to your spamming self at least read what you're spamming before you post it to check it agrees with you. Zefir requested B (a full refund) and received B (a full refund).

[loshia]

Leave him dogie Admins shall eventually TAKE care for the professor What we need to do is to report HIS continuous and never give up. That is exact what i am about to do
Last two times i got 10 days ban as BickLEDSKY had. Fair enough. If that is the price to make him shut up i will do my best once again

I am sure you will not miss me at all  
Hey LED what about it

The funny part that during last two bans his famous thread went in the history just for 4 hours. Which means that no one gives a shit except him.
Report and report ...until we win
What he does it to play smart and pretend that he is important because he is payed by someone probably and HW vendors to be afraid of him and to receive HW  and refunds before other folks. That is his game how pathetic LED boy...

[Bicknellski]

With so many community members taking a loss directly or indirectly through Avalon failing to meet their schedule, we (together with other customers) need to consider taking serious actions to end this tragedy. - Zefir.


Not spam. However I would consider spam someone with 20 threads all pretty much selling space for their own gain. Funny they let you sell space inside your own threads. Seems counter intuitive for this board. But I am sure others have complained about that. That hints of a strong bias in what you post in these forums and consumers really need to be aware that you are being paid to avoid the ROI questions and boost sales of both your threads and their products.

Read the RED. Many millions were lost due to Avalon's failure just to deliver on time. The "compensation" that Zefir talks about didn't cover those losses and Avalon never admitted to causing those losses. Given the other nefarious stuff on the Avalon books with regards to their FPGA trade ins and so forth I can't see why anyone should trust a company with this sort of record. But that is my last post here on that subject. No one is going to buy these units. Too little, way overpriced and too late.

And again you never put out a TIMELINE for the units that these guys are supposedly building. Why is that? Is it because you do not know? Encouraging that you seem to ignore the basic information and questions that you yourself posed to BFL or other fabricators.

Where is the timeline for fabrication of these units that were supposed to be ready in October now November sometime?

[Kurtelomos]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

[jimrome]

<noise damping snip>

What you've done to the last few pages of this thread is crap post:
- pre-written / mostly quotes
- repetitive
- consisting mostly of non-sense or FUD

You are not adding to this thread or to this topic, instead you are just another noise source - which appears your specialty.

And no, I'm not a paid shill (not that people are ever accused of that unfairly):
I got screwed by Avalon during the loose chips fiasco, although I was "fortunate" enough to get %75 of my original USD investment. I was not compensated for the days/weeks of effort I expended in hardware design for avalon-based miners.

I confronted Yifu when he actually stuck his head in here, and I'd like to think my comments were responsible for his realization that Batch 3 Avalon customers STILL hadn't been refunded - which they subsequently were:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269950.msg3031175#msg3031175
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242627.msg3037420#msg3037420

I'd also like to think that some of my less constructive post that day were at least partially responsible for disruptions to his "chi" that day.

All that said: Canaan-creative are NOT Avalon. In fact, Canaan-creative has done nothing but the opposite of Avalon: reliable, provide excellent support, support open source, and IMO make the highest quality and best designed miners around.

I do not hold Canaan-creative or any of their devs responsible for the incompetence of Yifu Guo, and feel those who do have either ulterior motives, are looking for a hand-out, or are bloviated gasbags like Bickellelsky. You know, the guy who on one hand criticizes Avalon, yet on the other has Asicminer as the top manufacturer in his self-moderated trustworthiness thread

[dogie]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

The msi installs fine for me, check you're running it as administrator and that you've installed .net framework 4.0 first.

[loshia]

Do you know bickLEDsky what is real power consumption of avalon 4?
You know everything right be honest. I can bet yo do not have a clue at all
I said it many times and will say it again each vendor including avalon will sell no matter of your opinion if there is some one to buy. Simple ...besides Avalon are the only one from China who are publishing their source MMCU included and do not steal from other folks hard work.
So let us wait for avalon final product and specs shall we?
Meanwhile it is about time for your new shiny project Christmas is comming. It is about time for you to do something valuable at the and. Do you think so
A nice and shiny blinking Christmas three will make a lot of children happy
Get your ass back to work boy

[Kurtelomos]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

The msi installs fine for me, check you're running it as administrator and that you've installed .net framework 4.0 first.

I've uninstalled .NET Framework 4.5 and installed (downgraded) it to 4.0 to check if it was a version problem. Didn't work either. But I've tried to install it on another laptop and it worked fine with .NET framework 4!
So .NET framework is discarded as a problem since I have the same version at two different computers, one working and one not working...will investigate more tho.

Thanks for the fast reply anyways...

EDIT: Tried to execute the software on the laptops (yes, 2 different laptops, we're a large family) and it stutters, close unexpectedly...it's a really really crappy software. I use this thread as a review (maybe even the first across the searchable internet) about the EHash.com Avalon Nano and discourage users to purchase it. USB miners should be focused on keeping things simple for miners and in this case is being quite the opposite. Bad purchase at this time. We'll see in the future with the needed software updates (if they release someday).

Kind regards.

PS: If someone finds out how to make an Avalon Nano to work with BFGMiner, CGMiner, GUIMiner or whateverminer, please just post it so we can all benefit that wisdom!!

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

The trick that Avalon team pulled with customers chips worth of ~$8M that were supposed to be delivered in July-August. Rumor is they sold it to a third party and then they made paying customers wait additional time. You must remember it.

Since dogie doesn't have an answer for this I want to remind everyone to STAY AWAY FROM AVALON SCAMMERS!

[davecoin]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit).  

[stan258]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit).  

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

[dogie]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit). 

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

I don't believe its gone up significantly, consumption on the chip page is at the chip level where as the 1TH unit is at the wall and post PSU.

[Tigggger]

Nice to see a product at last, sadly it's dearer than the buying S3's which I've also no interest in

I said earlier in the thread what was needed was something like the S2/S4/Dragon/SP10/SP30 form factor, included PSU, with plenty of underclocked chips as power useage is critical at the moment and 2TH+

[stan258]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit). 

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

I don't believe its gone up significantly, consumption on the chip page is at the chip level where as the 1TH unit is at the wall and post PSU.

Why the revised power consumption?  Leakage from the boards?

[marto74]

Finaly 16 chip board working ok
380 GHs with 275 W @ the wall

[loshia]

Finaly 16 chip board working ok
380 GHs with 275 W @ the wall

 
Now i do expect BickLEDsky, the professor, to start spamming eagerly 
The famous trusted guides need urgent update

Nice job Marto as always....

[Rabinovitch]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

What fan(s) are used there?

[dogie]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

What fan(s) are used there?

Single 120mm x 38mm high pressure fan.

[Rabinovitch]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

[dogie]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

[notlist3d]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Also Dogie are you vouching for this company where we don't need to worry on orders?

[Rabinovitch]

Now Eric Chen speaks about 520 USD.

[Blazed]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Also Dogie are you vouching for this company where we don't need to worry on orders?

It is Avalon..I'd be worried for sure 

[dogie]

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Now Eric Chen speaks about 520 USD.

Price will depend on exactly when they're opened for sale.

[Rabinovitch]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immideately after the payment...

[dogie]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

[stan258]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

Can you get timeline and pricing from them?

[dogie]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

Can you get timeline and pricing from them?

I'll let you know

[Sine(X)]

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/
It's interesting, RockMiner partners with AM, has joint cloud mining service, nevertheless promotes competitors.. Perhaps Friedcat indeed has problems and RockMiner is planning plan B - partnership with Avalon. But 0.5 W/Ghs chip in 2015 - poor result.

[stan258]

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/
It's interesting, RockMiner partners with AM, has joint cloud mining service, nevertheless promotes competitors.. Perhaps Friedcat indeed has problems and RockMiner is planning plan B - partnership with Avalon. But 0.5 W/Ghs chip in 2015 - poor result.

 .68 From the wall.  It’s not 2015 yet and that’s about as good as it gets right now.  It comes down to cost with shipping matter of fact right now as Spondoolies is about to ship from stock.........................

[Tigggger]

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/

Sadly as predicted, overpriced.

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

[Bicknellski]

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/

Sadly as predicted, overpriced.

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Whant wannnnnn.

Is it really a surprise?

Are they dusty already from the burn in?

[dogie]

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Noise levels in high ambients will be quite different.

[Bicknellski]

As always very good guide. Unfortunately as of today these are a bit over priced, delivering around 300GHs at 1020W for 4.5BTC. 180GHs Ants at 360W are only 1.37BTC now.

There will very likely be a price drop on these units, but yes, its mainly the chips that aren't competitive.

What about the Avalon4 same right Dogie?

[marto74]

Hex16a4 board in flesh



http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=89&controller=product&id_lang=1

p.s. Bick do you have to share something about designs with Avalon4 chip

[stan258]

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Noise levels in high ambients will be quite different.

I think their is too much bad blood for a group buy.  Rockminer is a reseller for profit prices. 

[ngzhang]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...






↑This is Xiangfu

[RoadStress]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

Good luck!

[dogie]

Components being delivered

[klondike_bar]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

sexy device. questions:
1) it requires an external controller?
2) it looks like multiple units can be daisy-chained. whats the limitations on this? (it would be nice to monitor and control 5TH+ under a single IP)

[dogie]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

sexy device. questions:
1) it requires an external controller?
2) it looks like multiple units can be daisy-chained. whats the limitations on this? (it would be nice to monitor and control 5TH+ under a single IP)

1) Same as Avalon 3
2) Avalon 3 was 4 devices per USB port, and with a 10 USB hub could get 40 devices per controller. I'm not sure what it will end up as on Avalon 4.

[QuiveringGibbage]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

@ngzhang; Your signature on this forum, has a link to http://avalon-asics.com/ ... isn't it suppose to be http://avalon-asic.com/ ... ?

nice demo case

QG

[dankefoss]

I've been in contact with Rockminer who is selling the Avalon 4 on their site. They have said that they have units for shipping, but that the shipping calculator for small orders is off. Not sure if they will try to add money or cancel order for single units, etc.

eHash.com (Canaan Creative??) still does not have a price of add to cart link.

Did anyone get a reply from manufacturer on those (price and shipping dates)?

Dan

[stan258]

I've been in contact with Rockminer who is selling the Avalon 4 on their site. They have said that they have units for shipping, but that the shipping calculator for small orders is off. Not sure if they will try to add money or cancel order for single units, etc.

eHash.com (Canaan Creative??) still does not have a price of add to cart link.

Did anyone get a reply from manufacturer on those (price and shipping dates)?

Dan

Yes Canaan is not taking BTC only cash right now.  We would need to order 40 from Canaan via wire. 

[dogie]

The first stable Avalon4 RPi/703N firmware released. Version: Canaan A4-20141127

Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20141127_1341/
MM Firmware
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2014-11-22/

Feature：
* Support TL-WR703N, Raspberry Pi B/B+
* Latest cgminer, version: 4.7.0
* Latest OpenWrt, version: r43076
* Brand new GUI
* Brand new usb converter: AUC
* Support up to 9 Avalon4-1T machines in one AUC chain with automatical ID assignment
* One RPi/703N can handle up to 100 Avalon4-1T machines
* AUC hotplug
* Avalon4-1T module hotplug
* Adjust module's voltage automatically for power optimization
* Brand new MM protocol，support voltage/frequency/fan adjustment per module


Default Configuration：
* Chip Frequency        8125
* Chip Voltage            445:385:370
* Automatic Voltage    True
* Fan                         20-100

Be careful with your TL-WR703N's old configuration.