Avalon4 with global shipping can be purchased here!

[Avalon-pr]

Avalon4 with global shipping can be purchased here!


Chip Parameters:

Packaging: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: ~25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G


Related documents:

Datasheet: http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3222/datasheet/
Reference design: http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3222/avalon4/
More information: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon4


Avalon4 Parameters:

Chips: 40x Avalon4 A2322
Rated mining speed: 1300GH
Rated working voltage: 12V
Power consumption: 730W

This is not Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) or his company Avalon. This product is designed, manufacturered and sold by engineers (ngzhang etc) who left his company and founded Canaan Creative, Ltd. in Beijing, China

FAQ and Technical Support

Dogie's comprehensive setup guide in super HD!

Configuration (TL-WR703N)

Wiring:

• Plug one 4 pin cable connected from the 4 pin header on the unit to the micro USB adapter.
• Connect a micro USB to USB cable to the micro USB adapter, and then plug this into your controller.
• More units can be added by plugging another 4 pin cable from the second unit to the first unit's other 4 pin header.
• Plug in a /hCQilO]network cable from the WR703N to your router, and power it on.

Configuration:

• Power on the power supply using its switch at the back.
• Make sure or your router's subnet is 0, ie 192.168.0.x. If not then change it to 0, this is just temporary. ***If this is not possible, see below***
  
• Using a browser, navigate to 192.168.0.100 - this goes to the WR703N's configuration page.
• Login using "root" as the username.
• Navigate to Network -> Interfaces -> WAN -> Edit.
• Change protocol to DHCP and click "Save & Apply".
• Using a browser, navigate to your router and find the IP it has assigned the WR703N and navigate to that IP.
• Navigate to the page Status -> Miner Configuration. Enter your pool information in the below format.
• Navigate to the page "Miner Status" to check mining has started.
• You can then change your router subnet back to whatever you are used to using.

Alternative Subnet Change:

• Unplug your computer from all internet sources.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the WR703N to your computer.
• Navigate to Control Panel -> Network and Sharing Centre -> Change Adapter Settings.
• Right click on your ethernet adapter -> Properties.
• Click on "Internet Protocol Version 4" and click properties.
• Select "Use the following IP address" and enter the following:
• IP Address: 192.168.0.1, Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0, Default Gateway: 192.168.0.100.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the WR703N to you router.
• Restart the configuration instructions as above.

Configuration (RaspberryPi)

Wiring:

• Plug one 4 pin cable connected from the 4 pin header on the unit to the micro USB adapter.
• Connect a micro USB to USB cable to the micro USB adapter, and then plug this into your controller.
• More units can be added by plugging another 4 pin cable from the second unit to the first unit's other 4 pin header.
• Plug in a /hCQilO]network cable from the WR703N to your router, and power it on.

Configuration:

• Put the SD card into another computer.
• /jtdHMl]Download the RasperryPi Avalon 4 OS image (sdcard-vfat-ext4.img)
• /A22fj5]Download the Win32 Disk Imager and use it to flash SD card with this image.
• Put SD card into RaspPi and power it on.
• Power on the power supply using its switch at the back.
• Make sure or your router's subnet is 0, ie 192.168.0.x. If not then change it to 0, this is just temporary. ***If this is not possible, see below***
  
• Using a browser, navigate to 192.168.0.100 - this goes to the Raspberry Pi's configuration page.
• Login using "root" as the username.
• Navigate to Network -> Interfaces -> WAN -> Edit.
• Change protocol to DHCP and click "Save & Apply".
• Using a browser, navigate to your router and find the IP it has assigned the Raspberry Pi and navigate to that IP.
• Navigate to the page Status -> Miner Configuration. Enter your pool information in the below format.
• Navigate to the page "Miner Status" to check mining has started.
• You can then change your router subnet back to whatever you are used to using.

Alternative Subnet Change:

• Unplug your computer from all internet sources.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the Raspberry Pi to your computer.
• Navigate to Control Panel -> Network and Sharing Centre -> Change Adapter Settings.
• Right click on your ethernet adapter -> Properties.
• Click on "Internet Protocol Version 4" and click properties.
• Select "Use the following IP address" and enter the following:
• IP Address: 192.168.0.1, Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0, Default Gateway: 192.168.0.100.
• Plug in an ethernet cable from the Raspberry Pi to you router.
• Restart the configuration instructions as above.

FAQ

Problem	Solution
What temperatures should I aim for?	- Try to achieve <60C for long lifetimes. Temperatures should not be let to rise above 70C.
How can I tell what firmware version I have now?	- Navigate to Status -> CGMiner API Log and look at "Firmware Version".
Where.can.I.find.the.latest.firmware.for.the.WR703N?	- Download the latest firmware from /OC6TFg]here (the WR703N.bin).
Where can I find the latest firmware for the Pi?	- Download the latest firmware from /jtdHMl]here (the sdcard-vfat-ext4.img).
How do I install the latest firmware?	- Download firmware as above. Navigate to System -> Upgrade and click "browse". Select the downloaded file and click "Flash image". Do NOT interrupt this process or you will brick the unit.

My.power.supply's.cables.are.braided.or.aren't.color.coded

- See below diagram for pin-outs. http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y530/dogiee/th_5_zps00eb3a34.png

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

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[RoadStress]

Encapsulation: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: 25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G

Can you prove the stated performance?

[bbxx]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

[MasterRadix]

Ahaha this must be a joke

[klondike_bar]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

whats wrong with that? By the time you build a PCB, receive chips, and assemble the entire thing you'll have a device that costs only 3BTC/TH by late october!

[Xer0]

[Blazed]

Scammers gonna scam   

[J4bberwock]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

With such a small quantity, they can be considered samples, so price isn't that bad.
Larger quantities can expect something like price at least cut in half I hope

[ChuckBuck]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

[Blazed]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

LOL who would trust these guys again anyways...

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

The more important thing is that the W/GH is moving down to 0.5 at chip (likely 0.7 system) which will push pressure on the BE200s. Hash rate density is up 4x on the last chips which is a great indicator that prices will be competitive with anything BE200 based.

[bbxx]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

[jimrome]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!  

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:



290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

LOL who would trust these guys again anyways...

Not surprising this thread gets shit on by the retard rabble within minutes of posting... Have any of you jackasses even looked into these products? Or who is making them? Of course not.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[RoadStress]

Scammers gonna scam   

Why do you think they have a new user? I propose to leave some negative trust ratings for OP!

[marto74]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

[Finksy]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

The more important thing is that the W/GH is moving down to 0.5 at chip (likely 0.7 system) which will push pressure on the BE200s. Hash rate density is up 4x on the last chips which is a great indicator that prices will be competitive with anything BE200 based.

It just seems to me that they are a day late and a dollar short, in comparison to the BM1382 28nm powered finished hardware that has already dropped in price to BTC1.28/TH of mineable product, and quite likely drawing similar power.  Shouldn't they be rushing these chips out the door trying to play catch up, instead of charging more than retail for an un-developed product to keep these said developers in line?

I guess this means pre-orders should be opening up soon.

[Bicknellski]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

[dogie]

It just seems to me that they are a day late and a dollar short, in comparison to the BM1382 28nm powered finished hardware that has already dropped in price to BTC1.28/TH of mineable product, and quite likely drawing similar power.  Shouldn't they be rushing these chips out the door trying to play catch up, instead of charging more than retail for an un-developed product to keep these said developers in line?

I guess this means pre-orders should be opening up soon.

As with all Avalon products, this will likely be pin compatible with the last generation so you just drop it in and alter the power delivery. The density is higher than BM1382 and costs will be lower. Seriously what is so hard to understand that this is the initial super limited test batch? They're not holding volume back, if you want volume then wait for the actual reels to come in.

[Tigggger]

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

I got royally screwed by avalon but they aren't on my boycott list as I appreciate it's not Yifu anymore

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

[marto74]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

You can not resist, do you TROLL
And could you be so kind to share your projects progress ?

[Niggle]

p.s.  single module is coming soon

Any info on this module?

[loshia]

We'll order samples for sure
Will see where it goes

Right in the shitter with so many more of your projects. How about giving people what they order before ramping up production on another DOA miner?

Hey bickLEDski,
We all know that the main reason for doa miners is the chip price. I am talking in general. You are the one who was receiving free chips in quantities right?
And what you have blinking LEDs alive on arival right
Ops I beg your pardon it was just a YouTube video and no one has seen them alive  
So let me remind you that Christmas is coming so get your ass back to work. Walmart is waiting for your LEDs.  
You know I remember the picture of you wasp pool with the bug behind your ass

https://bitcointa.lk/threads/the-wasp-project-collective-information-thread.240650/page-14


I am wandering how is your ass lately doing
By the way con made a free pool open sourced . It is brilliant pice of work. All you need to do is steal it and put wasp logo on it. So hurry up  
That is where you are good at
And to troll of course

[cesarm]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

[dogie]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

[Avalon-pr]

For anyone who can't be bothered to use their brains, the prices are specifically high because they are SAMPLE chips. Its to discourage one developer buying more than they need which is unfair - Avalon will only have a tiny batch until their actual batches for SALE come in.

Hmm i think they should be free for established proven developers.
Such strategy is better for chips adoption.

They don't need better chip adoption, there is limited supply and they have to open it up as a level playing field. There are more developers than there are chips.

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

You will receive a module to test ? If yes, when ?

Absolutely no idea. I have no information more than anyone else does.

engineering sample still needs 1~2 weeks

[J4bberwock]

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I totally agree with this, but for the manufacturer of the chip, it's more profit to sell less chips on a board for the same price/hashrate.
And for the "independant" builders, the chips are expensive, so they need to do the same, but only to have a fair margin.
I was looking at building my custom boards, mainly for my own use.
The chips would cost me almost half the price of the finished product, and final price was similar to what is actually selling at 0.6$/GH
I had to put roughly 30% more chips on the board to reach better efficiency.
At this point, you'd better buy a finished product and undervolt it, unfortunately.

[marto74]

Asia has been busy buying 1,000,000s of Avalon chips while the forums have 'boycotted' them thinking its still Yifu when they quite simply don't care. This isn't the company Avalon, this isn't the company that did trade ins, this isn't the company that random batch 1 2 and 3. If people don't want to buy, they don't have to.

I got royally screwed by avalon but they aren't on my boycott list as I appreciate it's not Yifu anymore

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

And a note to any developers
Don't use a few chips clocked up to the max, use lots of chips at the lowest w/GH as that's where the market needs to go.

I could not agree more.
BUT depends on pricing.
AM is asking 0.3 USD per GHS for bare chips based on overclocked range and in the same time 0.32-0.4 for full un assembled solution.
Usualy sweet spot is @ about 60-70 % of the full speed ASIC chip can do , but the pricing of chips is in the overclocked mode range .
Ant thoughts ?

[Bicknellski]

I have respect to AM and Bitmain past achievements, but they're not high on my list. I don't believe China will be able to compete in 2015

Can you elaborate as to why?

I'm under NDA with various parties, so I can't give concrete information.

In general, to win in 2015 you'll need in descending order of importance:
1) Team or access to team with years of circuit design experience in advance nodes.
2) Access to cheap electricity - sub 0.03 $/KWh or less
3) Cheap production

From what I was able to learn, the Chinese teams (including some publically unknown) has only (3) above.
Some of them are rushing to bleeding edge nodes (TSMC 16 or Samsung/GF 14) but it's not enough.

These competition points raised by Sptech could be valid, but i think he forgot about a major factor that may undermine the whole industrials at this point: btc price..
Whatever cheap electricity or manufacturing costs you could get, peofitability will be driven by btc price obviously. And with it stabilisîng or tanking even more, some rushers might get squeezed and go bankrupt.
Interesting times ahead.

Under current BTC value, the bounty is $1.2BN until the next block incentive halve.
For sake of argument (only ), let's assume you're able to develop 0.2 $/GHs or 0.1 $/GHs (or below ) hardware.
How does the math look like ?

Just don't bother buying broken down over priced crap is the lesson for today. Especially from people that have failed to adequately deliver on time to spec consistently. Avoiding this offering might save you more coin in the longer term given the realities of the marketplace.

Avalon's math doesn't add up nor will Marto's. Look elsewhere people.

[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

[Blazed]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

[Finksy]

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

Lol



I was going to hold out for a new BFL product to post that, but might as well here.

[dogie]

This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

[This message won't be monitored, discuss your concerns in the thread.]

[superduh]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

[Avalon-pr]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

[Avalon-pr]

Encapsulation: QFN56-8×8，0.5mm pitch
Rated working voltage: 0.65V – 0.8V
Rated working frequency: 400MHz (typical)
Rated mining speed: 25GHS@400MHz (typical)
Chip reference energy efficiency: 0.4~0.6W/G

Can you prove the stated performance?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine  
You'll never be disappointed

[Avalon-pr]

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much

Sample chips for developer

[Avalon-pr]

Ahaha this must be a joke

We will see.     

[RoadStress]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine 
You'll never be disappointed

Why not show a proof? People need to pay for the chips in order to see for themselves the performance? Post a damn picture, video, whatever! Otherwise it's BS because you can write whatever you want in the datasheet.

Scammers!

[dogie]

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Canaan Creative is the company name, Avalon is the product brand name like Antminer.

[Lincoln6Echo]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time  

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Even though Yifu has left Avalon (Canaan Creative or whatever) all other particpants like ngzhang are responsible for the Scam of last year!  

Avoid by all means! Scam!

[jimrome]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time  

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Even though Yifu has left Avalon (Canaan Creative or whatever) all other particpants like ngzhang are responsible for the Scam of last year!  

Avoid by all means! Scam!

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're in good company in this thread.

[Avalon-pr]

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time 

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Then change the damn company name. "Avalon" makes me itchy! Is that so hard to find a new name?

Yep.
We've got the chips and tested(~2 weeks ago

You can check the datasheet and waiting for the machine 
You'll never be disappointed

Why not show a proof? People need to pay for the chips in order to see for themselves the performance? Post a damn picture, video, whatever! Otherwise it's BS because you can write whatever you want in the datasheet.

Scammers!

LOL
Here's the pictures.
http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5gw1ej52bpvlkzj31g02kg7wh.jpg
Avalon3 deployment.
http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ejfjrw00lnj31kw0bhn0s.jpg
http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ejfjs22dpgj31kw0cfjvo.jpg
More than 20K Avalon3 modules @ Inner Mongolia.

http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek9v0nnfxej30qo0f03z3.jpg
Avalon4 chips and avalon nano usb miner.

http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek0lmbm9r4j318g0p0adh.jpg
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/mw1024/005Fh3h5jw1ek0lmckcq2j318g0p0jy0.jpg
Chips.


And now?

[jimmothy]

Zhao Dong's farm?

[Avalon-pr]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

[jimmothy]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

Who owns it?

Same location as Zhao's?

[RoadStress]

LOL
Here's the pictures.
........

I wanted proof of the 28nm chips. Speed and power consumption.

[Avalon-pr]

Zhao Dong's farm?

Nope.

Who owns it?

Same location as Zhao's?

There're several buildings, Zhao owns some of em, so are we.

[Rabinovitch]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

[Avalon-pr]

LOL
Here's the pictures.
........

I wanted proof of the 28nm chips. Speed and power consumption.

Avalon4 single module will available at October 2014.

As @Dogie says  we are “Only sells in hand hardware and has done so for over a year.”

And before marketing, we'll send several samples to some media(like @Dogie etc.) to do a review.

[Avalon-pr]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

That's avalon3(2014-03), avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

[Xer0]

that sticks look cool, i want one!

[Rabinovitch]

avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

I want it! I need it right now! I'll take two!!! 

[jimrome]

325 Gh as maximum? For 0.65 BTC? Why should I choose this device? Because of power efficiency maybe? It's not so huge comparing to S3...

That's avalon3(2014-03), avalon4 will be 700W, >1 TH/S(1~1.2+) , price should be ~490USD( ~1BTC now)

Okay - well just make sure you have your fan logic sorted out by then

[Avalon-pr]

Hey 20 chips at 25GH/s each for a total of 500 GH/s and 1BTC.  Bargain folks!   

If you guys are too lazy to put together your own miners (end sarcasm), then just buy one:

https://i.imgur.com/eZnsaRH.png

290 GH/s for about $300.  Ehh, still not worth it.

SAMPLE CHIPS.

Avalon4 will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2)  ~700W ~490USD

[marto74]

Our team ordered samples

[Avalon-pr]

Our team ordered samples

Shipped 

[vipgelsi]

Good deal but difficulty just wont stop going up

[goodney]

These are interesting...

Anyone want to go in together on a batch of the samples?

-a[g

[Alchip]

  support!

[Rabinovitch]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

[ChuckBuck]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

That's always the conundrum with buying Bitcoin miners, isn't it?

Buy lesser efficient hardware now, or more efficient hardware in a month or 2, but not after a few difficulty jumps.  Risky either way.

[Finksy]

I am waiting for Avalon4, that will be ~1TH/s (1~1.2) at ~700W for only ~490USD. I would like to buy such a device right now. Not in 2 monthes. Now.

That's always the conundrum with buying Bitcoin miners, isn't it?

Buy lesser efficient hardware now, or more efficient hardware in a month or 2, but not after a few difficulty jumps.  Risky either way.

But it's not a conundrum really, you can buy 28nm finished products right now for BTC1.28/ TH/s that draw ~800W at the wall (S3's).  They don't have 2 months, they need it out now. If I was them I would be giving chips away to developers to get their products and testing done ASAP.  The only way they will make money on this is if people fall for the pre-order trap, like they always do.

[sikke]

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon4

Wiki is updating

[marto74]

Can you provide contact for technical questions?
If you look in the datasheet PDF of the chip:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
lowest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Wich one is correct ?

[marto74]

Next questions:

1.  Can we do like that  :Power  0.9 V -> pin1 VDDIO  [ chip N]  pin42 VDDIO -> pin1 VDDIO [chip N+1], without connection on PCB between pin1 and pin 42 on the same  ASIC

2. VDDPLL is pin 14 ; pin 29 is  NC(not connected). Can we use  pin 29 for VDDPLL to the next ASIC

3. The NC (not connected ) pins do they have some function ( i.e. Inputs, Outputs etc.)

[Avalon-pr]

These are interesting...

Anyone want to go in together on a batch of the samples?

-a[g

sold out!   
restock needs few days

[Avalon-pr]

thank you very much for your time and attention.

please see this:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
the highest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Can you provide contact for technical questions?
If you look in the datasheet PDF of the chip:

page 6 :
 (2) All input/output data is 32bit aligned, and send out in MSB (that means
lowest bit send first).

page  8 :
 All data is sent in MSB, means high bit, high byte and high word is sent first

Wich one is correct ?

[marto74]

Thank you .
As far I still do not have contact for technical questions .
Please andswer to the rest questions .
Here is a new one too:
Not clear how to calculate the register contents for the clock Configuration
Fout = Fref * NF / NR * Next -> what means Next?
Now is calculated OD, BWADJ.
Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words in the A3222Q56 Configure Sequence - (Clock Configuration 2, Clock Configuration 1, Clock Configuration 0)

[xiangfu]

Hi

You can email to this mailing list:
  http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion
(All canaan creative developers was there)

And you can join the IRC #avalon @freenode.net
(Most of the developers was there)

I can answer one of this question. [Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words]:
Because there ~4000 cores inside the Avalon4 28nm. so we split those 4000 cores to three group. then we can make the three group work at different clock. this is a great design I think. that can make all core work at best condition base on voltage and clock.

I will update your questions to wiki(en.bitcoin.it/wiki/avalon4) then others can see the answers.

BTW:
I have forward your question to mailing list. (http://lists.canaan-creative.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-September/thread.html)
Xiangfu

Thank you .
As far I still do not have contact for technical questions .
Please andswer to the rest questions .
Here is a new one too:
Not clear how to calculate the register contents for the clock Configuration
Fout = Fref * NF / NR * Next -> what means Next?
Now is calculated OD, BWADJ.
Why there are 3 Clock Configuration words in the A3222Q56 Configure Sequence - (Clock Configuration 2, Clock Configuration 1, Clock Configuration 0)

[xiangfu]

Forward to mailing list.

Xiangfu

Next questions:

1.  Can we do like that  :Power  0.9 V -> pin1 VDDIO  [ chip N]  pin42 VDDIO -> pin1 VDDIO [chip N+1], without connection on PCB between pin1 and pin 42 on the same  ASIC

2. VDDPLL is pin 14 ; pin 29 is  NC(not connected). Can we use  pin 29 for VDDPLL to the next ASIC

3. The NC (not connected ) pins do they have some function ( i.e. Inputs, Outputs etc.)

[marto74]

Avalon 4 samples are here , just waiting for the testboard  next week to start test

[technobitMarto]

http://s17.postimg.org/4wsjsy0r3/first_board.png

Technobit
Avalon 4   16 chip board
Hex16a4

[technobitVesi]

Avalon 4 board ready for tests

http://s14.postimg.org/w0e92f38h/20141008_190749.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/4oj012yht/20141008_190802.jpg


upload pictures online

Regadrs: Vesi

[dogie]

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

[technobitVesi]

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

We prepared both bottom and top to be ready.
Will see
http://s27.postimg.org/5h7j89pc3/20141008_204531.jpg

[ManeBjorn]

Will the heatsinks have a better orientation for cooling in say a hot/cold isle data center setup?

I'm guessing no top side heatsinks then?

We prepared both bottom and top to be ready.
Will see

[dogie]

This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

[This message won't be monitored, discuss your concerns in the thread.]

[technobitVesi]

Avalon 4 single chip running @ 24 Ghs - 16W


http://s8.postimg.org/fsqosp6wl/24_GHs_1_chip_23_GHs_real_for_several_hours.png

[Rabinovitch]

Ok, waiting now for cheap, highly efficient, quiet and cold miner. 

[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

[dogie]

240w for the technobit miner (400gh) anyone else do anything with these chips?

They'll be an Avalon 4 unit retailing very soon.

[Rabinovitch]

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[ManeBjorn]

Very soon. :-)

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[dogie]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

[stan258]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

[Blazed]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

[dogie]

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

At some point in November.

[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

[dogie]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

This isn't Avalon, although I don't think we're going to agree on this.

[yxt]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

[Xian01]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

In retrospect, I'm not sure who the bigger asshole is. Yifu or ngzhang.

Both have shown contempt towards the community and it's customers. As tempting as these products are, I hope people ignore them on principle.

Avalon have fucked over Bitcoiners so incredibly badly, I'm surprised they haven't burnt the name and rebranded entirely.

[Blazed]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

[dogie]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

Avalon was a company run and owned by Yifu - he and that company are the ones that took preorders. Canaan Creative is a company owned and run by ngzhang. Your disagreement is with Avalon. [To avoid any further confusion, 'Avalon' is also used as a product name, ie Avalon4.]

If I or anyone else knew where Yifu ended up, I'd tell you.

[yxt]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu!
Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone?
You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts.

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by   ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

[jimrome]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

Ignorant comparison, seriously people why don't you familiarize yourselves with the a situation before opening your yaps?

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

The only real similarity to the two is their open source model (read: non-thieving). IMO Yifu's only positive contribution to the bitcoin-circus was his promotion of this ideal.

[dropt]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

Yifu was the face of Bitsyncom.  We don't actually know who else was behind the scenes other than ngzhang, who is also a part of Canaan.  So in reality, we don't know enough to say whether it's the same group or not, nor who was at fault for what happened with the original Avalons.

[marto74]

@ dropt
precise and balanced as always .

My personal experience with Avalon project :
1. Avalon 1 -  a few months delay GB and miners  with a lot of drama and troubles
2. Avalon 2 chips - best service @ the time from all chip suppliers
3. Avalon 3 - 1 month delay in chips sales lunch and then it was too late for the chip in terms of efficiency. But all the present big producers/farms in china were online and hashing already
4. Avalon 4  we jsut finishing the project will see where it goes .
Since 2 gen of chips communication, support and delivery were always spot on 

[Xian01]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

ngzhang != Different crew

[dogie]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu! Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone? You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts. I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

This is the official line, its not my 'personal view'. However its also what I've said for months and months and months.

I think we should be asking do you have any proof that Avalon was NOT owned/run/founded by Yifu, otherwise you're saying everyone is guilty until they prove evidence otherwise. You may have shipped your product to Avalon, but who retained the money from them? Yifu.

Ngzhang raised his own funds and started from scratch, entirely separate from Yifu. Again, if you have a problem with trade ins then you need to find Yifu and sue him. Chasing Canaan Creative (24 months) after is like me spamming your shop thread because Canary owes me a miner [which he doesn't, theoretical].

[dogie]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

ngzhang != Different crew

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

[Xian01]

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community.

The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

It's nice and all that they are under new management, but the sadistic horror of their first gen fiasco is still a bitter memory to those of us that went through it, and short of selling these with COD terms to us old-timers as a good-will gesture to restore faith (a stark contrast to the hate-fuck they gave us all for prepaying them last time and not getting things well beyond their own stated "no bullshit" terms), I can't imagine how anyone with a recollection of their prior antics isn't twitching with PTSD-induced flashbacks right now.

[dogie]

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community. The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

The engineering team came away from Avalon with almost nothing, in stark contrast to the others. Again though, you're asking to be compensated by a totally different company. If you feel like you were wronged with gen 1 then sue Yifu's US company [Avalon]! Heck you could even sue CC if you think you have a case but it will get thrown out after 5 minutes.

You're also mixing the engineering team with 'Avalon'. These are the people that designed the chips, made the software and that's about it. They engineered, others sold / failed to deliver timely / delayed refunds etc etc. This team was doing their jobs designing Avalon2 at the time.

for prepaying them last time

They've only been selling in hand hardware for way over a year now, you might not have participated in it but Avalon2 and Avalon3 were sold from in hand in huge quantities.

[Xian01]

They've only been selling in hand hardware for way over a year now, you might not have participated in it but Avalon2 and Avalon3 were sold from in hand in huge quantities.

Fair enough, yeah, I do recall that (selling from stock over the last year). To your point, I had zero interest in the Avalon2 and 3 stuff. This 28nm stuff piques my interest, however, and I start getting flashbacks

Fucking Yifu...

[Bicknellski]

No its not entirely new people, ngzhang took the engineering team after Avalon essentially disbanded and started again.

That's the issue, though. I'm not sure who the bigger problem was. Yifu or ngzhang. They were both seedy individuals who bashed, abused, and profited off this community.

The fact that ngzhang is involved at all is no better than if Yifu was still involved, is the long-and-short of it.

It's nice and all that they are under new management, but the sadistic horror of their first gen fiasco is still a bitter memory to those of us that went through it, and short of selling these with COD terms to us old-timers as a good-will gesture to restore faith (a stark contrast to the hate-fuck they gave us all for prepaying them last time and not getting things well beyond their own stated "no bullshit" terms), I can't imagine how anyone with a recollection of their prior antics isn't twitching with PTSD-induced flashbacks right now.

There were millions in damages and no apology, no real compensation and we are as community happy now because they shipped units that were not as competitive as others being offered?

Why is anyone waiting on this latest offering when there is absolutely no way to find a return on this investment? Because a paid spokesperson is spinning the message?

Walk away from Avalon and give them same respect they gave the community in past. They deserve no quarter and it is fair say that there are still injured community members that were never properly compensated. Again do not buy from these people when you have other options. Perhaps Bitmaintech yet another company represented by a spokesperson. Which is a better offer? That is the real question.

[sniffinpoprocks]

Maybe TerraHash can come out of the woodwork and buy some of these chips? Then they can sell some more vaporware.

[Blazed]

Well I got burned last time with the group buy of chips, so that is why I do not like them. Did they ever really explain what exactly happened with everything? It does sound like it is different now, but getting burned left a really bad taste in my mouth...All in all it doesn't really matter since mining even with free power is not worth the efforts these days 

[dogie]

There were millions in damages and no apology, no real compensation and we are as community happy now because they shipped units that were not as competitive as others being offered?

Where are the law suits for those damages? But again, this isn't Avalon.

Why is anyone waiting on this latest offering when there is absolutely no way to find a return on this investment? Because a paid spokesperson is spinning the message?

Have I once said buy Avalon4? No. Have I once said buy x y z hardware in my role? No. Do you run a hardware company yet spam every thread with "do not buy"? Yes.

Walk away from Avalon and give them same respect they gave the community in past. They deserve no quarter and it is fair say that there are still injured community members that were never properly compensated. Again do not buy from these people when you have other options. Perhaps Bitmaintech yet another company represented by a spokesperson. Which is a better offer? That is the real question.

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

[dogie]

Fucking Yifu...

Does anyone know where he actually ended up?

[Bicknellski]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

Listen dude.

Were all grown ups.

Admit the reality MILLIONS were lost because of Avalon the same people paying you to spin the message you are spinning now. You can't justify their wrong doing by the nobody sued them mantra. (Ask Marto and Technobit.eu pretty much the same deal) We all know what they are and what they did. Ethically they don't have what it takes to play with SPTech, Bitmaintech or AsicMiner and Bitfury. It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow. Why would anyone even look at 28nm Avalons given they can't turn a penny and are definitely a loss across the board. Just because they pay you doesn't me we have to listen to you polish this turd of chip.

Bottom line this version of the chips is too late for anyone to make a penny. Stop pushing shit that is just not going to fly at any price.

[marto74]

Bick ,
this tread is about A3222 chips.
go back to your tread and troll there please.
We all know your opinion , did we?
Please stay on topic

[dogie]

It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow.

Take it to mining speculation please.

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

[server]

 
NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

Highly unreliable.

Bad for Bitcoin.

[dogie]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

[dogie]

NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

See his comments RE tradeins here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=604853.msg6692419#msg6692419 and here: http://bbs.canaan-creative.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204&extra=&page=1. I don't have any more information on that, but you're welcome to pass details on.

[server]

NGZhang/Yifu/Avalon also stole a lot of Icarus fpga boards which we sent back as trade-in for Avalon miners.

See his comments RE tradeins here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=604853.msg6692419#msg6692419 and here: http://bbs.canaan-creative.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=204&extra=&page=1. I don't have any more information on that, but you're welcome to pass details on.

Details I want to pass: Highly unreliable. Avoid.

[Bicknellski]

It is pretty much game over for mining anyhow.

Take it to mining speculation please.

No. I don't get paid to ignore how purchasing any Avalon 4 based miner is a money loser why should I be taking that to mining speculation. It is fact not speculation.

It is a fair assessment of Avalon 28nm chips and units.

Way way too LATE no way to ROI do not buy AVALON 4 based miners. Compared to current miners already shipping you are recommending people to wait and then buy something that is not even ready or tested yet? With no reasonable timeline for production? Sorry but no one should recommend the Avalon 4 chip based miners if it is not even in production at this time given the competition already have comparable chips in tested units shipping now including your other benefactors Bitmaintech.

You have better options. Buy from people currently selling in stock. And definitely steer clear of Technobit version given their Minion board group buy still woefully late and riddled with RMA problems.

Do not wait or delay to buy something that at this point is not even tested yet. Insanity and disingenuous to say the least.

Guess we need a new thread to rate paid spoke people on their bias now.

Is buying anything Avalon 4 based a good miner purchase given the other companies selling 28nm tech right now? Be honest.

[ProfMac]

I looked at the EHash.com web page for these chips, and I see a 1 BTC price for 20 chips, delivering 25 GH/s for 0.6 W (worst case)

That turns into 500 GH/s for a batch of 20 chips, and 300W for a batch of 20 chips, without any supporting hardware or other energy losses included.

I dropped those numbers into a mining calculator, and I calculate a return of 0.356 BTC, or a loss of almost 2/3 of the purchase price.

Does anyone have a more optimistic view of these chips?

[dogie]

I looked at the EHash.com web page for these chips, and I see a 1 BTC price for 20 chips, delivering 25 GH/s for 0.6 W (worst case)

That turns into 500 GH/s for a batch of 20 chips, and 300W for a batch of 20 chips, without any supporting hardware or other energy losses included.

I dropped those numbers into a mining calculator, and I calculate a return of 0.356 BTC, or a loss of almost 2/3 of the purchase price.

Does anyone have a more optimistic view of these chips?

Its not the actual price of the chips (or miners), and was for an extremely limited test run of the chips from about a month ago. The price was purposely high to disincentive non developers or one developer from hogging all the chips and blocking others out from testing.

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

The trick that Avalon team pulled with customers chips worth of ~$8M that were supposed to be delivered in July-August. Rumor is they sold it to a third party and then they made paying customers wait additional time. You must remember it.

[Xian01]

You must remember it.

"But... but... IT'S NOT THE SAME AVALON" 

[Blazed]

I am with you guys...I would NEVER support this "Avalon" group. Also I can not really trust in what dogie says about them since he is on their pay roll.

[RoadStress]

You must remember it.

"But... but... IT'S NOT THE SAME AVALON" 

I know that and I hope that dogie will not pull one of Inaba's schemes to say: "Hey in that team there were X people, now they are X-Y people, ergo they are not the same"

[Bicknellski]

Dogie's posts about BFL on June 6th 2013

So much shit in here its not even possible to go through it all. I couldn't give a shit if BFL shipped 3000000000000 chips tomorrow or Avalon decided to mine themselves. Its a shit company who is laughing so hard at anyone with a preorder.

If you ordered from Newegg and they offered you a money printing machine, and said "next week", laughed at you when you questioned them, then didn't do anything for 9 months but continue to make false promises. Why do you put up with it? Because you are blinded by greed.

*what if they ship my 1.5TH minirig tomorrow, what if what if what if*

BFL will have a documentary about then im a few years, and you'll all be referred to as victims xD


<Then a little later he posts...>

Rather than a giant paragraph, lets look at the facts/rumours/likely case:

30000000 fucking threads QQing about BFL every day
bitcointalk forum members probably make a decent chunk of the orders by $, due to singles, minirigs not exactly being impulse buys + the fact BFL spends SO much money advertising here
Their 1000 donation to 'charity' was scummy as hell
BFL can't be in a good financial position. Even if they had taken on 7 figure injections of cash, they've burnt SO much and have still made $0 from actual ASIC product that they're in a risky position
You are free to refund whenever you want
BFL are extremely vulnerable to private litigations for the false promises and failure to deliver
BFL would undoubtedly get bukaki'ed by government agencies if an investigation was to occur. Assets frozen etc
BFL would get spit roasted if the FCC found they were selling these uncertified products, even if it is just $7000 worth in 9 months LOL

The solution? A mass refund exodus. Everyone requests a refund at the same time. As many orders cancelled at once as possible. What if you're the last one in and they can't refund you, they get their assets frozen or seized? Better refund.

The momentum is too much, the cash flow is too much, the investors bricking themselves too much. BFL is forced to pull the plug, the rest of the orders get refunded. BFL ceases to exist, the real boys (Avalon, ASICMiner + DIYs) can use your money. The power is in your hands, no one elses.

tldr: Either force a refund tsunami or stfu
Edit: Added disclaimer, I have investments in ASICMiner and Avalon, however it doesn't change my outlook towards BFL. If I had been around at the time, I'd also have 10 preorders and going mental like you all.


Edit: Oh and look, refunds cancelled. Poor Josh, he's more scared of a Tsunami than SE Asia. Must have nightmares, all those lies for nothing ^_^

Oh the good old days...

What if the Avalon 4 units ship. What if?

Again these chips and any potential miner are exactly like BFL 1.5 TH minirigs or 'vapourware' you mentioned in 2013, they are a huge WHAT IF.

Oh how we forget what it is like to be free and willing to admit the truth about a unit and a company. Much much easier when you are not paid to omit the reality and spin it and avoid the topic by calling it 'mining speculation'. Clearly you didn't seem to mind pointing out the futility of relying on a company that didn't provide a definite or believable timeline. October is now November for these units. What is the development timeline? Show us something more than 'November'.


Josh Zerlan replied to Dogie on June 6th, 2013

So let me get this straight... Dogie is advocating a mass refund on BFL, who has a bunch of mining hardware. Lets say Dogies exceptionally brilliant plan came to pass (which is, in and of itself completely ridiculous, but we'll table that for now). Hypothetically, what do you think a company, faced with all pre-orders canceled, yet holding onto hundreds of TH of mining equipment is going to do? Say "Oh noes! Bye!" ... or do you think they'd press that hardware into service?

Yes, by all means, cancel all the orders, lets see how well that ends up working out.

For the record, BFL is capable of refunding all of the preorders in the queue and remaining in business. Would we have to pare down on employees? Sure we would, but then again, we wouldn't need so many employees if we aren't doing customer service anyway.

[marto74]

Cut the spam please!
and stay on topic.
May be you can share any troubles with the design of the chip or something related to the topic?

[loshia]

Cut the spam please!
and stay on topic.
May be you can share any troubles with the design of the chip or something related to the topic?

BickLedsky can stay on Leds only
I am wandering why he is so keen to spread his spam everywhere and why he thinks that someone gives a shit about that...
I am wandering how soon his friends will be turn into enemy number one

[Bicknellski]

BitSyncom / Yifu,

What are you going to do about the trade-ins that still have not been added to the store accounts?

Thus far you have done nothing.  Its been about 5 months.  Please take care of the trade-in issues.

5 months means 97% of the intrinsic value of a mining machine. By delaying 5 months, Yifu Guo essentially take away the 97% value from this program.

And I am very sure that this is intentional. They have planned this. They don't want to hold their words from the very beginnng. In the early time of this year, I talked with Xiangfu, a well known developer close with ngzhang (张楠庚）and Yifu team. He has tens of FPGA, but he just sold it on the market. I asked xiangfu why and he told me "he does not pay his attention on the trade-in program. (我并不关注这件事情。）" And I think xiangfu must have very early message from these liars that they planned to deliver the trade-in machine at very late stage, essentially destroy their words to the early supporters.

From Yifu Guo and ngzhang (张楠庚）, I learnt how low a fucker can be. Liar. Scammer. Greedy.

We have not forgotten what Avalon did.

It is a fair warning to the public not to buy from Avalon given the nature of this company. It is not off topic.

Nor is it wrong to question the viability of these chips and any boards made from them. They are not viable and people should avoid this investment.

Update: Endgame

With ASICMINER today announcing blades for as low as 3.5BTC, it appeared that Avalon chips that do not mine today are not going to break even any more. While those blades went already out of stock after some hours, the new price for mining rig is officially set. Essentially this means that if Avalon does not ship the remaining chips fully within the next two weeks, they become worth less than their shipping costs.

Driven by this event, today I was flooded with refund requests that built up a queue of ~2000 chips. I do not expect any takers for this and it is realistic to assume that there will be no further refunds.


I am sad to admit that I do not believe in a fast and complete delivery of the remaining batches. This stopped to be a game the moment this group-buy alone funneled $500k to Avalon. Although we have only a small set of 'no BS rules', we still have a written commitment to deliver in time as part of the ToS. With so many community members taking a loss directly or indirectly through Avalon failing to meet their schedule, we (together with other customers) need to consider taking serious actions to end this tragedy.

At this stage our options are as follows:

• A. sit and wait
  That was my tactics so far, assuming that civilized and respectful behavior will ensure to get our chips as fast as possible. This in fact might have been the reason why so far our group-buy got more chips than others, at the same time with a delivery of one batch per month our last will arrive mid 2014 - ready for re-direction to the Bitcoin museum
• B. demand full refund
  The majority would be fine with getting their invested coins back and let this chapter pass into oblivion. According to Avolon's ToS, there will be no refunds. But if they really care about Bitcoin and its community and realize how much harm they caused to so many of us, they might consider playing fair and send us the coins back. This implies that you do not want your chips any more.
• C. negotiate for compensation
  While refunding all orders might exceed Avalon's capabilities, they might prefer offering a compensation in form of free chips or free upgrades to next-gen ones. This implies you would like continue dealing with Avalon.
• D. legal action
  Leave the polite arena and sue them into ground; make an example of them and put an end to the pre-order madness in Bitcoinland. This implies you are willing to throw more good money after the bad - for a very limited expectation. Your money would feed some poor lawyers and Avalon if needed will declare bankruptcy (they said they do not control the collected funds any more).

I personally will approach Avalon with options B and C for now and consider combining forces with other group-buy organizers for D if we do not hear back within a reasonable time-frame. If you have a different opinion you'd like to share, please do so either here or via PM.

[dogie]

At this stage our options are as follows:

• A. sit and wait
  That was my tactics so far, assuming that civilized and respectful behavior will ensure to get our chips as fast as possible. This in fact might have been the reason why so far our group-buy got more chips than others, at the same time with a delivery of one batch per month our last will arrive mid 2014 - ready for re-direction to the Bitcoin museum
• B. demand full refund
  The majority would be fine with getting their invested coins back and let this chapter pass into oblivion. According to Avolon's ToS, there will be no refunds. But if they really care about Bitcoin and its community and realize how much harm they caused to so many of us, they might consider playing fair and send us the coins back. This implies that you do not want your chips any more.
• C. negotiate for compensation
  While refunding all orders might exceed Avalon's capabilities, they might prefer offering a compensation in form of free chips or free upgrades to next-gen ones. This implies you would like continue dealing with Avalon.
• D. legal action
  Leave the polite arena and sue them into ground; make an example of them and put an end to the pre-order madness in Bitcoinland. This implies you are willing to throw more good money after the bad - for a very limited expectation. Your money would feed some poor lawyers and Avalon if needed will declare bankruptcy (they said they do not control the collected funds any more).

I personally will approach Avalon with options B and C for now and consider combining forces with other group-buy organizers for D if we do not hear back within a reasonable time-frame. If you have a different opinion you'd like to share, please do so either here or via PM.

If you're back to your spamming self at least read what you're spamming before you post it to check it agrees with you. Zefir requested B (a full refund) and received B (a full refund).

[loshia]

Leave him dogie Admins shall eventually TAKE care for the professor What we need to do is to report HIS continuous and never give up. That is exact what i am about to do
Last two times i got 10 days ban as BickLEDSKY had. Fair enough. If that is the price to make him shut up i will do my best once again

I am sure you will not miss me at all  
Hey LED what about it

The funny part that during last two bans his famous thread went in the history just for 4 hours. Which means that no one gives a shit except him.
Report and report ...until we win
What he does it to play smart and pretend that he is important because he is payed by someone probably and HW vendors to be afraid of him and to receive HW  and refunds before other folks. That is his game how pathetic LED boy...

[Bicknellski]

With so many community members taking a loss directly or indirectly through Avalon failing to meet their schedule, we (together with other customers) need to consider taking serious actions to end this tragedy. - Zefir.


Not spam. However I would consider spam someone with 20 threads all pretty much selling space for their own gain. Funny they let you sell space inside your own threads. Seems counter intuitive for this board. But I am sure others have complained about that. That hints of a strong bias in what you post in these forums and consumers really need to be aware that you are being paid to avoid the ROI questions and boost sales of both your threads and their products.

Read the RED. Many millions were lost due to Avalon's failure just to deliver on time. The "compensation" that Zefir talks about didn't cover those losses and Avalon never admitted to causing those losses. Given the other nefarious stuff on the Avalon books with regards to their FPGA trade ins and so forth I can't see why anyone should trust a company with this sort of record. But that is my last post here on that subject. No one is going to buy these units. Too little, way overpriced and too late.

And again you never put out a TIMELINE for the units that these guys are supposedly building. Why is that? Is it because you do not know? Encouraging that you seem to ignore the basic information and questions that you yourself posed to BFL or other fabricators.

Where is the timeline for fabrication of these units that were supposed to be ready in October now November sometime?

[Kurtelomos]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

[jimrome]

<noise damping snip>

What you've done to the last few pages of this thread is crap post:
- pre-written / mostly quotes
- repetitive
- consisting mostly of non-sense or FUD

You are not adding to this thread or to this topic, instead you are just another noise source - which appears your specialty.

And no, I'm not a paid shill (not that people are ever accused of that unfairly):
I got screwed by Avalon during the loose chips fiasco, although I was "fortunate" enough to get %75 of my original USD investment. I was not compensated for the days/weeks of effort I expended in hardware design for avalon-based miners.

I confronted Yifu when he actually stuck his head in here, and I'd like to think my comments were responsible for his realization that Batch 3 Avalon customers STILL hadn't been refunded - which they subsequently were:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269950.msg3031175#msg3031175
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242627.msg3037420#msg3037420

I'd also like to think that some of my less constructive post that day were at least partially responsible for disruptions to his "chi" that day.

All that said: Canaan-creative are NOT Avalon. In fact, Canaan-creative has done nothing but the opposite of Avalon: reliable, provide excellent support, support open source, and IMO make the highest quality and best designed miners around.

I do not hold Canaan-creative or any of their devs responsible for the incompetence of Yifu Guo, and feel those who do have either ulterior motives, are looking for a hand-out, or are bloviated gasbags like Bickellelsky. You know, the guy who on one hand criticizes Avalon, yet on the other has Asicminer as the top manufacturer in his self-moderated trustworthiness thread

[dogie]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

The msi installs fine for me, check you're running it as administrator and that you've installed .net framework 4.0 first.

[loshia]

Do you know bickLEDsky what is real power consumption of avalon 4?
You know everything right be honest. I can bet yo do not have a clue at all
I said it many times and will say it again each vendor including avalon will sell no matter of your opinion if there is some one to buy. Simple ...besides Avalon are the only one from China who are publishing their source MMCU included and do not steal from other folks hard work.
So let us wait for avalon final product and specs shall we?
Meanwhile it is about time for your new shiny project Christmas is comming. It is about time for you to do something valuable at the and. Do you think so
A nice and shiny blinking Christmas three will make a lot of children happy
Get your ass back to work boy

[Kurtelomos]

Hi dogie,
I've recently purchased 1 Avalon Nano (https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/) just to try it out and mine a little just for fun (I'm not a hardcore miner but I consider the Bitcoin idea interesting and want to support it trying mining a little).

I've tried following the install instructions (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/doc/Avalon%20Nano%20User%20Guide(English).pdf), so I downloaded the AvalonInstaller.msi (http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip) but when trying to install it windows rejects it, trowing the next error: http://i40.tinypic.com/o085xc.png (the image is taken from other place but it's exactly the error I'm having). I'm trying to install the drivers/GUI in a Win7 x64 OS. Also tried in another computer, both with admin privileges ofc, and got the same error.

I've also tried contacting with someone via IRC since there's no support e-mail (only sales e-mails) and none answered so...here I am.

Googling the product and the commented problems led me here, so I guess this is a nice place to try to fix my problem, warn users about it, and check if someone has already solved it!

I'm waiting for that support eagerly!

Kind regards.

The msi installs fine for me, check you're running it as administrator and that you've installed .net framework 4.0 first.

I've uninstalled .NET Framework 4.5 and installed (downgraded) it to 4.0 to check if it was a version problem. Didn't work either. But I've tried to install it on another laptop and it worked fine with .NET framework 4!
So .NET framework is discarded as a problem since I have the same version at two different computers, one working and one not working...will investigate more tho.

Thanks for the fast reply anyways...

EDIT: Tried to execute the software on the laptops (yes, 2 different laptops, we're a large family) and it stutters, close unexpectedly...it's a really really crappy software. I use this thread as a review (maybe even the first across the searchable internet) about the EHash.com Avalon Nano and discourage users to purchase it. USB miners should be focused on keeping things simple for miners and in this case is being quite the opposite. Bad purchase at this time. We'll see in the future with the needed software updates (if they release someday).

Kind regards.

PS: If someone finds out how to make an Avalon Nano to work with BFGMiner, CGMiner, GUIMiner or whateverminer, please just post it so we can all benefit that wisdom!!

[RoadStress]

Anyone seeking compensation is and has been for the last 18-20 months to sue Avalon, yet they haven't. But again, this isn't Avalon.

I'm sorry, but wasn't ngzhang part of the Avalon team who did the chips trick? He accepted it back then without saying anything to the customers.

What do you mean by the chips trick?

The trick that Avalon team pulled with customers chips worth of ~$8M that were supposed to be delivered in July-August. Rumor is they sold it to a third party and then they made paying customers wait additional time. You must remember it.

Since dogie doesn't have an answer for this I want to remind everyone to STAY AWAY FROM AVALON SCAMMERS!

[davecoin]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit).  

[stan258]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit).  

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

[dogie]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit). 

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

I don't believe its gone up significantly, consumption on the chip page is at the chip level where as the 1TH unit is at the wall and post PSU.

[Tigggger]

Nice to see a product at last, sadly it's dearer than the buying S3's which I've also no interest in

I said earlier in the thread what was needed was something like the S2/S4/Dragon/SP10/SP30 form factor, included PSU, with plenty of underclocked chips as power useage is critical at the moment and 2TH+

[stan258]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

The power consumption says 680-700 watts, but they show a pitcure at 629 watts:

http://www.btcfans.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=47

2888 RMB is about 472 USD (I'm just assuming that's the price per unit). 

 Power consumption has been raised a couple times on ehash. I check it every other day or so. They started at mid 500 watts.

I don't believe its gone up significantly, consumption on the chip page is at the chip level where as the 1TH unit is at the wall and post PSU.

Why the revised power consumption?  Leakage from the boards?

[marto74]

Finaly 16 chip board working ok
380 GHs with 275 W @ the wall

[loshia]

Finaly 16 chip board working ok
380 GHs with 275 W @ the wall

 
Now i do expect BickLEDsky, the professor, to start spamming eagerly 
The famous trusted guides need urgent update

Nice job Marto as always....

[Rabinovitch]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

What fan(s) are used there?

[dogie]

Avalon4 1th/s unit up on ehash.com:

https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

What fan(s) are used there?

Single 120mm x 38mm high pressure fan.

[Rabinovitch]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

[dogie]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

[notlist3d]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Also Dogie are you vouching for this company where we don't need to worry on orders?

[Rabinovitch]

Now Eric Chen speaks about 520 USD.

[Blazed]

Is it loud during work?.. Any reviews maybe?

Not yet, but I was told its not bad.

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Also Dogie are you vouching for this company where we don't need to worry on orders?

It is Avalon..I'd be worried for sure 

[dogie]

Do you have a price for this the new 1T model?

Now Eric Chen speaks about 520 USD.

Price will depend on exactly when they're opened for sale.

[Rabinovitch]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immideately after the payment...

[dogie]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

[stan258]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

Can you get timeline and pricing from them?

[dogie]

Well, Eric says that they will be shipped immediately after the payment...

Yes, as soon as the modules go on sale they'll ship immediately from stock.

Can you get timeline and pricing from them?

I'll let you know

[Sine(X)]

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/
It's interesting, RockMiner partners with AM, has joint cloud mining service, nevertheless promotes competitors.. Perhaps Friedcat indeed has problems and RockMiner is planning plan B - partnership with Avalon. But 0.5 W/Ghs chip in 2015 - poor result.

[stan258]

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/
It's interesting, RockMiner partners with AM, has joint cloud mining service, nevertheless promotes competitors.. Perhaps Friedcat indeed has problems and RockMiner is planning plan B - partnership with Avalon. But 0.5 W/Ghs chip in 2015 - poor result.

 .68 From the wall.  It’s not 2015 yet and that’s about as good as it gets right now.  It comes down to cost with shipping matter of fact right now as Spondoolies is about to ship from stock.........................

[Tigggger]

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/

Sadly as predicted, overpriced.

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

[Bicknellski]

Sadly all their products since then have been way overpriced/power hungry compared to the competition.

Time will tell if these new chips and the machines they spawn are worth buying.

RockMiner shop offers Avalon4 Module for 1.335 BTC (480 USD in case BTC=360$). http://shop.rockminer.com/

Sadly as predicted, overpriced.

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Whant wannnnnn.

Is it really a surprise?

Are they dusty already from the burn in?

[dogie]

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Noise levels in high ambients will be quite different.

[Bicknellski]

As always very good guide. Unfortunately as of today these are a bit over priced, delivering around 300GHs at 1020W for 4.5BTC. 180GHs Ants at 360W are only 1.37BTC now.

There will very likely be a price drop on these units, but yes, its mainly the chips that aren't competitive.

What about the Avalon4 same right Dogie?

[marto74]

Hex16a4 board in flesh



http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=89&controller=product&id_lang=1

p.s. Bick do you have to share something about designs with Avalon4 chip

[stan258]

Antminer S4's
$850 for 2TH so cheaper
PSU Included
Same power useage
Immediate Shipping

Noise levels in high ambients will be quite different.

I think their is too much bad blood for a group buy.  Rockminer is a reseller for profit prices. 

[ngzhang]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...






↑This is Xiangfu

[RoadStress]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

Good luck!

[dogie]

Components being delivered

[klondike_bar]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

sexy device. questions:
1) it requires an external controller?
2) it looks like multiple units can be daisy-chained. whats the limitations on this? (it would be nice to monitor and control 5TH+ under a single IP)

[dogie]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

sexy device. questions:
1) it requires an external controller?
2) it looks like multiple units can be daisy-chained. whats the limitations on this? (it would be nice to monitor and control 5TH+ under a single IP)

1) Same as Avalon 3
2) Avalon 3 was 4 devices per USB port, and with a 10 USB hub could get 40 devices per controller. I'm not sure what it will end up as on Avalon 4.

[QuiveringGibbage]

Working with crew on a perspex case demo machine for hk bitcoin expo ...

@ngzhang; Your signature on this forum, has a link to http://avalon-asics.com/ ... isn't it suppose to be http://avalon-asic.com/ ... ?

nice demo case

QG

[dankefoss]

I've been in contact with Rockminer who is selling the Avalon 4 on their site. They have said that they have units for shipping, but that the shipping calculator for small orders is off. Not sure if they will try to add money or cancel order for single units, etc.

eHash.com (Canaan Creative??) still does not have a price of add to cart link.

Did anyone get a reply from manufacturer on those (price and shipping dates)?

Dan

[stan258]

I've been in contact with Rockminer who is selling the Avalon 4 on their site. They have said that they have units for shipping, but that the shipping calculator for small orders is off. Not sure if they will try to add money or cancel order for single units, etc.

eHash.com (Canaan Creative??) still does not have a price of add to cart link.

Did anyone get a reply from manufacturer on those (price and shipping dates)?

Dan

Yes Canaan is not taking BTC only cash right now.  We would need to order 40 from Canaan via wire. 

[dogie]

The first stable Avalon4 RPi/703N firmware released. Version: Canaan A4-20141127

Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20141127_1341/
MM Firmware
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2014-11-22/

Feature：
* Support TL-WR703N, Raspberry Pi B/B+
* Latest cgminer, version: 4.7.0
* Latest OpenWrt, version: r43076
* Brand new GUI
* Brand new usb converter: AUC
* Support up to 9 Avalon4-1T machines in one AUC chain with automatical ID assignment
* One RPi/703N can handle up to 100 Avalon4-1T machines
* AUC hotplug
* Avalon4-1T module hotplug
* Adjust module's voltage automatically for power optimization
* Brand new MM protocol，support voltage/frequency/fan adjustment per module


Default Configuration：
* Chip Frequency        8125
* Chip Voltage            445:385:370
* Automatic Voltage    True
* Fan                         20-100

Be careful with your TL-WR703N's old configuration.

[Dimoza]

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

[stan258]

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

download GUI and driver from:
https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/

[Dimoza]

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

download GUI and driver from:
https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/

thank you for hint, but
I don't use proprietary software. And don't reccomend to do so for anybody, especially who have a deal with cryptocurrecy.
I'm *nix user. So ehash.com MS Windows app just irrelevant in my case.
I don't need GUI for my purposes

[ManeBjorn]

The software they provide is terrible as well.
It literally has ads in it.  If you have any other miners running on your computer this software interferes as well.
Don't use it.

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

download GUI and driver from:
https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/

[xiaoma9hao]

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025524fgj4qps14pjsqjn4.jpg

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025516kh8k7iirkjgnrvnw.jpg

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025518htuziukisrrzkha4.jpg

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025527copnchd30zgohod1.jpg

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025619yhhbc3ek3kn1e6yq.jpg

http://www.cybtc.info/data/attachment/forum/201412/02/025816p2cijcccicyjks41.png

 

[stan258]

The software they provide is terrible as well.
It literally has ads in it.  If you have any other miners running on your computer this software interferes as well.
Don't use it.

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

download GUI and driver from:
https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/

They haven't submitted a driver for Cgminer. Good luck.

[Dimoza]

The software they provide is terrible as well.
It literally has ads in it.  If you have any other miners running on your computer this software interferes as well.
Don't use it.

Hi,

I just recentyl purchased the Avalon Nano (anonced here couple of month ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779612.msg8841428;topicseen#msg8841428). I have successfuly downloaded and compiled fresh version of bfgminer and run it. It works fine for couple of minutes, then it starts to get slower and finally stall at all. Restarting the bfgminer helps but for same couple of minutes.

I've got configuration here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#BFGMiner
here is a log (last half of that): http://pastebin.com/EQAj58HH
I'm on linux, if it have a sense.

The obvious solution -- to make the simple script that restart BFGMiner each 2 minutes, but it's doesn't looks good.

I'd be appreciate for any help.

PS cgminer just doesn't work at all. can't detect devices. I was trying several versions including lastone.

download GUI and driver from:
https://ehash.com/product/avalon-nano/

They haven't submitted a driver for Cgminer. Good luck.

irrelevant

[dogie]

Units are now in stock! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

[wpgdeez]

Units are now in stock! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

Nice power consumption if accurate. Price though .. 2 BTC after shipping for 1thash.

[klondike_bar]

Units are now in stock! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/

Nice power consumption if accurate. Price though .. 2 BTC after shipping for 1thash.

19.19BTC for 10 units - so yeah. Thats about $750/TH shipped

compare:
SP20: $850 shipped, or about $430/TH

this product wont go anywhere fast unless it can come down a lot in price.

[Blazed]

Amazing prices from an amazing company 

[pak13]

Amazing prices from an amazing company 

Don't be like that, they are just misunderstood

They really need to change their name to have any chance. Or they need a cash cow farmer.

[ngzhang]

So I think now is a very good time for personal famers. 90%+ of miner company close down and others are struggling to sell their backlog at a big lose, this year.

Avalon switch to build-to-(large)order model few months ago, we have no large backorders now. And we only sell products with margin, even it is really small. For retail, no pre-orders form 1 year ago.

We have confident for the product cost of $/GHs. Now our major work is next gen ASIC design, large scale mining farm design, mining management system development, supply chain management, etc..

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

[-ck]

I've received 2 of these courtesy of Canaan creative, thanks. I've yet to get them going but of course this means full support in mainline cgminer in the future.

[dogie]

I've received 2 of these courtesy of Canaan creative, thanks. I've yet to get them going but of course this means full support in mainline cgminer in the future.

[Bicknellski]

So I think now is a very good time for personal famers. 90%+ of miner company close down and others are struggling to sell their backlog at a big lose, this year.

Avalon switch to build-to-(large)order model few months ago, we have no large backorders now. And we only sell products with margin, even it is really small. For retail, no pre-orders form 1 year ago.

We have confident for the product cost of $/GHs. Now our major work is next gen ASIC design, large scale mining farm design, mining management system development, supply chain management, etc..

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

Ya buy Bitcoin. Avoid these units. What happened to no preorders?

[dogie]

What happened to no preorders?

This is in stock, shipping from hand?

[Blazed]

What happened to no preorders?

This is in stock, shipping from hand?

Plenty of legit companies sell in hand hardware...this is no big deal.

[ngzhang]

What happened to no preorders?

This is in stock, shipping from hand?

For retail, no pre-orders form 1 year ago.

We only sell in-stock products for retail more than 1 year.

Pre-order is for large orders . It's hard to immediately ship a large amount of  miners unless have a big private farm.

[Tigggger]

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

Everything that is available to buy now is cheaper, and your machine has nothing to warrant paying any extra.

Machine	Price (BTC)	Speed (GH)	Power (W)	w/GH	BTC/TH	Notes
Avalon 4	1.420	1000	680	0.68	1.42	Needs PSU
Bitmain S4	2.257	2000	1380	0.69	1.128	PSU Included
Prisma	1.39	1400	1050	0.75	0.992	Needs PSU
Spond SP20	1.95	1700	1200	0.70	1.147	Needs PSU

[dogie]

Prisma is being retired / recalled, I wouldn't include that. SP20s and S4s may be EOL'ed in the near future [speculation and speculation].

[Tigggger]

Prisma is being retired / recalled, I wouldn't include that. SP20s and S4s may be EOL'ed in the near future [speculation and speculation].

I should say that I don't own any of the machines I mentioned..

From from what I read the old Prisma's have been recalled yes, but the new ones that they are selling have significant changes and work fine

As to products being near end of life, why does that matter they are available now.  I could have added several more to the list I was merely illustrating that everything else is cheaper and the avalon has no advantages that make it worth more.

If avalon had a long standing history of delivering excellent machines at good prices with first class support then maybe you could argue that would be worth a little extra (as happens with spondoolies).  Sadly the old avalon was rubbish and cost lots of people money, and the new avalon haven't delivered anything worth buying by normal consumers as it's arrived later than all it's competitors and always been more expensive.

[dogie]

I should say that I don't own any of the machines I mentioned. From from what I read the old Prisma's have been recalled yes, but the new ones that they are selling have significant changes and work fine

As to products being near end of life, why does that matter they are available now.  I could have added several more to the list I was merely illustrating that everything else is cheaper and the avalon has no advantages that make it worth more.

If avalon had a long standing history of delivering excellent machines at good prices with first class support then maybe you could argue that would be worth a little extra (as happens with spondoolies).  Sadly the old avalon was rubbish and cost lots of people money, and the new avalon haven't delivered anything worth buying by normal consumers as it's arrived later than all it's competitors and always been more expensive.

I was clarifying what ngzhang was trying to put across, which is CC isn't going to play the 'lets lose money on every sale' game when competitors are only temporarily offering deals that good. CC is in it for the long haul, not the short sprint to clear stock.

[Blazed]

AVALON is here to stay I get it... All that matters these days are prices, and that it is not a pre order. There is simply no reason to buy from Avalon when other companies sell gear for cheaper.

[Bicknellski]

AVALON is here to stay I get it... All that matters these days are prices, and that it is not a pre order. There is simply no reason to buy from Avalon when other companies sell gear for cheaper.

As quoted by their own spokesman there is no point to buying this product.

"I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing."

[Rabinovitch]

Probably they have no goal to sell it. ) Having a number of that modules they can simply mine in solo... I would like to be at their place now. )

[dogie]

AVALON is here to stay I get it... All that matters these days are prices, and that it is not a pre order. There is simply no reason to buy from Avalon when other companies sell gear for cheaper.

As quoted by their own spokesman there is no point to buying this product.

"I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing."

You going to actually quote me or you just going to make stuff up?

[Bicknellski]

So I think now is a very good time for personal famers. 90%+ of miner company close down and others are struggling to sell their backlog at a big lose, this year.

Avalon switch to build-to-(large)order model few months ago, we have no large backorders now. And we only sell products with margin, even it is really small. For retail, no pre-orders form 1 year ago.

We have confident for the product cost of $/GHs. Now our major work is next gen ASIC design, large scale mining farm design, mining management system development, supply chain management, etc..

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

Why do I need to quote you Dogie?



I was quoting someone that actually works for the company. You are just hired to spin positive for Avalon nothing more. If you want to keep spining what he said feel free. Point is made buy elsewhere right from his own mouth.


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Quoted for posterity.

AVALON is here to stay I get it... All that matters these days are prices, and that it is not a pre order. There is simply no reason to buy from Avalon when other companies sell gear for cheaper.

As quoted by their own spokesman there is no point to buying this product.

"I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing."

You going to actually quote me or you just going to make stuff up?

[wpgdeez]

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

This says it all, don't buy from these guys. They want to suck your blood not the other way around.

[ngzhang]

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

This says it all, don't buy from these guys. They want to suck your blood not the other way around.

Actually, the stiuation is  clear.

Large mining company are quiting retail market . After they have earn money, find cheap elec, finish farm building, etc..

Others are doing clearance sale. Trans their stock to cash,  finding cheap elec and building their own farm. Leave retail market at last.

Now it's ~300PH online, over 50% is in China mainland and over 85% is in large farms.

Good job, trolls.

[jimmothy]

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

[dogie]

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

He said in Q1 2015, new chips. And its $0.5/gh.

[jimmothy]

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

He said in Q1 2015, new chips. And its $0.5/gh.

It says Avalon4 which is current gen.

And I'm seeing 1.84 btc per unit after including shipping.

[dogie]

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

He said in Q1 2015, new chips. And its $0.5/gh.

It says Avalon4 which is current gen.

And I'm seeing 1.84 btc per unit after including shipping.

That would be great if you could double power efficiency without changing chips, but no - it refers to a future generation.

[ngzhang]

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

0.3W/GH and 0.3$/GH need some technical progress to achive, will cost some time. Now we are offering 0.65W/GH on the wall (this is our average statistical data), high quality, low noise, best customer service, 0.47USD/GH for retail, ... , Avalon4- 1T  4.0 ver.

Also, home miners' demand has collapsed extremely. I think FC didn't lose a lot for recall all of their prism. Even at that price of GH/$, only a few hundred of them soldout. This is a period of  excessive competition.

Good job, trolls.

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

So if your target is $0.3/gh at 0.3 w/gh, why are you charging $0.7/gh for 0.7w/gh?

Seems this isn't really an attempt to sell to home miners, but an attempt to rip off a few.

He said in Q1 2015, new chips. And its $0.5/gh.

It says Avalon4 which is current gen.

And I'm seeing 1.84 btc per unit after including shipping.

Shipping is DHL charging you, not us. We offer free shipping in China mainland. If you order a lot (over 1000KG of Avalon4 1T for example), the shipping cost will lower to 30USD/unit to US by air.  Or you can use a 3rd party to handle the delivery.

[Bicknellski]

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

This says it all, don't buy from these guys. They want to suck your blood not the other way around.

No value for the home miner in this product. Avoid it just buy BTC save yourself the agro.

[dogie]

New firmware released for Avalon4 RPi/703N, Version: Canaan A4-20141213

Firmware Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20141213_1015/

ChangeLog：
* Improve the voltage increase adjustment
* Fix duplicated local work & error work
* Fix the default settings of new module
* Support MM41
* Optimise the process of cgminer-status
* Add UI for password change
* Fix the Avalon index page

[dogie]

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401412-7ef4ab10

Firmware Details:
   http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2014-12-13/

ChangeLog:
* Support MBOOT
* Keep the nonce2_offse and nonce2_range since g_module_id didn't change
* Keep mm working when temp is greater than IDLE_TEMP
* Add parameter for test core count
* Warning when no fan connect

Fengling

[stan258]

We did business back in March so not worried about anything other then shipping. I have a deal with Fedex. Are you willing to work with me on sending you shipping labels for pick up I would like to buy up a few units. Can you let me know the dimensions for shipping I can get a quote.

[johny08]

Chips not going to be cheaper with 16nm process as the demand will stay low and steady. That's a good for the 50% Of china mainland mining farms businesses.

However I would like to see them go to hell.

[-ck]

New version of cgminer I just posted, version 4.9.0, has full avalon4 support.

These are nice quiet devices and the power claims are consistent with my testing. I run them a little undervolted and am getting ~950GH with 2 modules:

Code:

 0: AV4 20141122:  200Mhz 43C  35% 0.637V | 984.8G / 943.0Gh/s WU:110.0/m

[dogie]

New version of cgminer I just posted, version 4.9.0, has full avalon4 support.

These are nice quiet devices and the power claims are consistent with my testing. I run them a little undervolted and am getting ~950GH with 2 modules:

Code:

 0: AV4 20141122:  200Mhz 43C  35% 0.637V | 984.8G / 943.0Gh/s WU:110.0/m

43C @ 35% fan, would probably be silent within my farm

[dogie]

We did business back in March so not worried about anything other then shipping. I have a deal with Fedex. Are you willing to work with me on sending you shipping labels for pick up I would like to buy up a few units. Can you let me know the dimensions for shipping I can get a quote.

PM'ed

[dogie]

This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

[This message won't be monitored, discuss any concerns in the thread.]

[Rabinovitch]

Avalon4 chips and avalon nano usb miner.

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine... 

[wpgdeez]

In this and next month, we are busying deliver the preorders. Avalon4 moudle will continually have small upgrade in early 2015, 0.3w/GHs on the wall and 0.3$/GHs with margin is a short-term goal.

I know there are a number of instock products on the market with better $/GHs on pricing. This is their blood, no more bloodsucking form us.  Sorry.

This says it all, don't buy from these guys. They want to suck your blood not the other way around.

No value for the home miner in this product. Avoid it just buy BTC save yourself the agro.

What if I told you mining isn't just for the BTC but the fun, joy, research and gamble? I get way more enjoyment from mining then just buying and it's a form of entertainment, especially when you compare it to all the others online.

I can think of much more enjoyable things to do but to each his own.

[dogie]

Avalon4 chips and avalon nano usb miner.

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine...  

I'll get it fixed. Tldr is http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip though.

Edit: http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/nano/documents.html

[ManeBjorn]

Does this version get rid of the weird BTCTelecom ads in the software?

Avalon4 chips and avalon nano usb miner.

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine... 

I'll get it fixed. Tldr is http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip though.

[dogie]

Does this version get rid of the weird BTCTelecom ads in the software?

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine...  

I'll get it fixed. Tldr is http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip though.

I have no idea, I've never seen that in the first place.

[ManeBjorn]

I just wish we could get it compiled into BFGMiner or cgminer standalone.  I keep messing with them and no luck.  I worked CLI to fine tune settings and they still dive off a cliff for some reason.  Start out well and then just stop. 
They are fun I like the way they throttle based on temps and such in a more active way than previous USB miners.
Been interesting for sure.
You would not happen to have cg or bfg standalone would you?
 

Does this version get rid of the weird BTCTelecom ads in the software?

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine...  

I'll get it fixed. Tldr is http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip though.

I have no idea, I've never seen that in the first place.

[dogie]

I just wish we could get it compiled into BFGMiner or cgminer standalone.  I keep messing with them and no luck.  I worked CLI to fine tune settings and they still dive off a cliff for some reason.  Start out well and then just stop. 
They are fun I like the way they throttle based on temps and such in a more active way than previous USB miners.
Been interesting for sure.
You would not happen to have cg or bfg standalone would you?
 

Does this version get rid of the weird BTCTelecom ads in the software?

Does anyone know how to make it work? User guide is unavailable (following the link on ehash.com), Avalon nano software for Windows is in Chinese and even if I install it I can't find a GUI...

p.s. it's not for me, one newbie asked for help to make it mine... 

I'll get it fixed. Tldr is http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon_nano/software/latest/AvalonInstaller.zip though.

I have no idea, I've never seen that in the first place.

No, and don't have nano's either, sorry.

[dogie]

Dogie's comprehensive setup guide in super HD!

 

[dogie]

Avalon4 firmware updates below. Hardware versions (4.0 or 4.1) are labelled on the unit next to the LED display.

New firmware released for Avalon4 RPi/703N, Version: Canaan A4-20150119

Firmware Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20150119_1609/

ChangeLog:
* Support automatic adjust voltage individually(Support on MM4.1, MM4.0(>401501-d17f4a10)).
* Support MM firmware upgrade through LuCI(Caution:Only for professional users!!!).
* Fix temperature display when it is < 0C.
* Fix WiFi cann't work on TL-WR703N.
* Add more mining mode.
* Update the module set_voltage method to one by one.
* Change localwork statistics from software to hardware.

Fengling

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401501-4778d610

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-01-19/

ChangeLog:
* Support voltage adjustion by miners.
* Move the frequency table to CGMiner.
* Turn down LM32 CPU frequency from 100MHz to 50MHz.
* Update the ASIC clock configure method, more friendly with power supply module.
* Fix LED warning blink when get new stratum.
* Move the miner's Localwork statistics to Verilog HDL side.
* Fix negative temperature.
* Add new command for MM I2C TX FIFO reset.

Fengling

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411501-d17f4a10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-01-15/

ChangeLog:
* Fix negative temperature.
* Add new command for MM I2C TX FIFO reset.

Fengling

[valkir]

Good job Dogie.

Can wait to receive mine! 

[xiangfu]

hmm.... seems not many people know our wiki page:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

Here is for nano:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#Cgminer_for_Avalon_nano

The cgminer support Avalon nano out of box after 4.7.0:
 * https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/482170ede0c5a000b0468f6b063b778c70699998#diff-ff4e2dc4962dc25a1512353299992c8dR33
 * https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/NEWS#L149
Xiangfu
  

I just wish we could get it compiled into BFGMiner or cgminer standalone.  I keep messing with them and no luck.  I worked CLI to fine tune settings and they still dive off a cliff for some reason.  Start out well and then just stop.  
They are fun I like the way they throttle based on temps and such in a more active way than previous USB miners.
Been interesting for sure.
You would not happen to have cg or bfg standalone would you?
 

[dogie]

Good job Dogie.

Can wait to receive mine! 

Let us know how you get on!

[valkir]

Good job Dogie.

Can wait to receive mine! 

Let us know how you get on!

How I get one? Well I bought it  Not sure to understand your sentence.

[ManeBjorn]

Thank you for the update!!!
I will try the newest cgminer right now.
Nice work on the new miners. :-)

hmm.... seems not many people know our wiki page:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

Here is for nano:
  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon_nano#Cgminer_for_Avalon_nano

The cgminer support Avalon nano out of box after 4.7.0:
 * https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/482170ede0c5a000b0468f6b063b778c70699998#diff-ff4e2dc4962dc25a1512353299992c8dR33
 * https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/NEWS#L149
Xiangfu
  

I just wish we could get it compiled into BFGMiner or cgminer standalone.  I keep messing with them and no luck.  I worked CLI to fine tune settings and they still dive off a cliff for some reason.  Start out well and then just stop.  
They are fun I like the way they throttle based on temps and such in a more active way than previous USB miners.
Been interesting for sure.
You would not happen to have cg or bfg standalone would you?
 

[dogie]

Good job Dogie.

Can wait to receive mine! 

Let us know how you get on!

How I get one? Well I bought it  Not sure to understand your sentence.

I mean if you encounter any problems or if you like it

[valkir]

I do need your help!
I got it but not sure about the pi os that I can put in it.

I try to follow you link but there a lot of img file.

Which one do I take ?

[dogie]

I do need your help!
I got it but not sure about the pi os that I can put in it.

I try to follow you link but there a lot of img file.

Which one do I take ?

Please don't post the same question in SIX different places, especially when you ask me to come online only to find you offline within 10 minutes of your emails.

- Download the latest firmware from here (the sdcard-vfat-ext4.img).[/img]

[valkir]

I do need your help!
I got it but not sure about the pi os that I can put in it.

I try to follow you link but there a lot of img file.

Which one do I take ?

Please don't post the same question in SIX different places, especially when you ask me to come online only to find you offline within 10 minutes of your emails.

- Download the latest firmware from here (the sdcard-vfat-ext4.img).[/img]

I got this img and I did put it on the raspberry pi. But the miner is not mining.

[dogie]

I do need your help!
I got it but not sure about the pi os that I can put in it.

I try to follow you link but there a lot of img file.

Which one do I take ?

Please don't post the same question in SIX different places, especially when you ask me to come online only to find you offline within 10 minutes of your emails.

- Download the latest firmware from here (the sdcard-vfat-ext4.img).[/img]

I got this img and I did put it on the raspberry pi. But the miner is not mining.

Sorted over teamviewer.

[valkir]

Check this out!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938679.msg10284010#msg10284010

[dogie]

Check this out!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938679.msg10284010#msg10284010

Thanks!

[AJRGale]

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

[ManeBjorn]

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

[AJRGale]

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

[ManeBjorn]

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

[AJRGale]

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

[ManeBjorn]

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner. 

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

[topminingcontracts]

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner. 

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

[philipma1957]

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner. 

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

 I got my avalon 4 today along with a usb.  No software no controller and I am struggling with setup of with the nano4 usb and the  avalon 4
 so this thread seems to be my best shot at setup help.
I have
 a rasp pi
 I have a windows 7 pc
 I have a mac mini

I was give a link to try to make an sd card to get the rasp pi to run the avalon 4.  any hints or tips would help.

[dogie]

I got my avalon 4 today along with a usb.  No software no controller and I am struggling with setup of with the nano4 usb and the  avalon 4
 so this thread seems to be my best shot at setup help.
I have
 a rasp pi
 I have a windows 7 pc
 I have a mac mini

I was give a link to try to make an sd card to get the rasp pi to run the avalon 4.  any hints or tips would help.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=922558 for Pi / WRT instructions. For cgminer its got mainstream support so should be plug and play.

I've PMed you a direct link to the SD card image for 4.1's, I don't like posting direct file links on here as people discover them months after and end up with old stuff.

[ManeBjorn]

I had the best luck with BFGMiner on windows with the Nano's.
For the Avalon 4 as dogie said the the Pi instructions are the best.
Definitely finicky beasts but once they get going they just run.

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner. 

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

 I got my avalon 4 today along with a usb.  No software no controller and I am struggling with setup of with the nano4 usb and the  avalon 4
 so this thread seems to be my best shot at setup help.
I have
 a rasp pi
 I have a windows 7 pc
 I have a mac mini

I was give a link to try to make an sd card to get the rasp pi to run the avalon 4.  any hints or tips would help.

[ManeBjorn]

Should be soon.  I will keep you posted.
Thanks. 

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner. 

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

[philipma1957]

I had the best luck with BFGMiner on windows with the Nano's.  >>>>>which version?
I get can not find device. device is shown as vcom and has no driver installed in it.


For the Avalon 4 as dogie said the the Pi instructions are the best.   I need to get an sd card 8 gb class 10 should work well
Definitely finicky beasts but once they get going they just run.

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner.  

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

 I got my avalon 4 today along with a usb.  No software no controller and I am struggling with setup of with the nano avalon usb and the  avalon 4
 so this thread seems to be my best shot at setup help.
I have
 a rasp pi
 I have a windows 7 pc
 I have a mac mini

I was give a link to try to make an sd card to get the rasp pi to run the avalon 4.  any hints or tips would help.

[ManeBjorn]

Use this driver and I am on the newest version of BFGMiner.
http://www.lpcware.com/system/files/lpcopen_examples_windows_usb_drivers_v1_10_0.zip

I had the best luck with BFGMiner on windows with the Nano's.  >>>>>which version?
I get can not find device. device is shown as vcom and has no driver installed in it.


For the Avalon 4 as dogie said the the Pi instructions are the best.   I need to get an sd card 8 gb class 10 should work well
Definitely finicky beasts but once they get going they just run.

I think it will happen and more.  Many of the manufactures are doing some great stuff with making them more power efficient on 28nm and lower.  Interesting times for sure.
Although the A3233 is in the Avalon 4 miners.  The Nano's are nice though once you use other software than their buggy GUI.  I found the best results by loading the driver and using BFGMiner.  

No you are correct.  I did not read well enough on my phone that you meant the Avalon 4 chips.
Sorry about that.

Yes decent little USB miners.
They work best with BFGMiner.

wait, did i miss something? there is avalon4 nanos now?

where?
..its not at the shop(ehash), the nanos there are only the A3233 type

ah, thats alright, one day we would have nice little 25GHs usb miners

Scott have you received the unit for testing? I love to see an independent and reliable review!

 I got my avalon 4 today along with a usb.  No software no controller and I am struggling with setup of with the nano avalon usb and the  avalon 4
 so this thread seems to be my best shot at setup help.
I have
 a rasp pi
 I have a windows 7 pc
 I have a mac mini

I was give a link to try to make an sd card to get the rasp pi to run the avalon 4.  any hints or tips would help.

[dogie]

New firmware released for Avalon4 RPi/703N, Version: Canaan A4-20150213

Firmware Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20150213_0800/

ChangeLog:
* Increase the voltage adjustment range for individual PMU
* Display voltage refrence in CGMiner status when CGMiner run with debug
* Add mining mode option for Avalon4
* Fix cutoff for individual voltage adjustment
* Fix hash counter when used a broken Avalon4 (DH almost 100%)
* Change voltage adjust interval from 8m to 30s (Support all MM4.1 and MM4.0 >= 401501-4778d610)
* Add freeze safe mode function
* Update frequency table (Step:125)
* Rewrite mm-tools, it will not compatile with the old one

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411502-d517e210

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-02-14/

ChangeLog:
* Add a bootloader feature, auto reboot after download
* Feed watchdog when get package because it's a block function
* Fix system crash when modify the miner_id by unintentionally
* Change compile flag from MBOOT to BOOTLOADER
* Support mm config load & save

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401502-d517e210

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-02-14/

ChangeLog:
* Add a bootloader feature, auto reboot after download
* Feed watchdog when get package because it's a block function
* Fix system crash when modify the miner_id by unintentionally
* Change compile flag from MBOOT to BOOTLOADER
* Support mm config load & save

[dogie]

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''401503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''411503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

[philipma1957]

Fast question I am using the feb 18 firmware on a rasp pi B  works very well 0 issues.

Does the firmware work for the new rasp pi 2 the quad core pi that came out a little while back.

I am considering expanding my avalon 4 setup and I want a back up rasp pi.  I can buy the older model here


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SQQF9C/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0ZKGPJN6EW5YTBFSENNQ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

I know it works

I rather use the newer model.

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-512MB-Computer/dp/B00LPESRUK/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182621&sr=1-6&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

better yet the newest model is my first choice

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Project-Board/dp/B00T2U7R7I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182688&sr=1-1&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

so what rasp pi will load and work this? thanks

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''401503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''411503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

[ManeBjorn]

That is a good question. I do not have the new RPi yet but one is on the way. If it does work well on it I bet we could run a ton of Avalon 4's on it.
Did you get one of the new RPi's yet Phil??

Fast question I am using the feb 18 firmware on a rasp pi B  works very well 0 issues.

Does the firmware work for the new rasp pi 2 the quad core pi that came out a little while back.

I am considering expanding my avalon 4 setup and I want a back up rasp pi.  I can buy the older model here


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SQQF9C/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0ZKGPJN6EW5YTBFSENNQ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

I know it works

I rather use the newer model.

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-512MB-Computer/dp/B00LPESRUK/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182621&sr=1-6&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

better yet the newest model is my first choice

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Project-Board/dp/B00T2U7R7I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182688&sr=1-1&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

so what rasp pi will load and work this? thanks

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''401503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''411503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

[philipma1957]

Okay here is the deal.

I ordered my third avalon 4.1 about ten minutes ago. Here is why

Avalon 4.1 is quieter then any other gear

With under clocks avalon will do as low as .45 watts a gh. quietly .




here is the transaction id.  valkir sent me a coupon  I paid 1.93btc for 1 more shipped to the usa.  He may have more coupons for them.  

https://blockchain.info/tx/8bc0a480d25796bcc36a4b07bc159c6b838e0232df680cb05b8d32308cee9a35


Avalon has been very good to me on these units.

1 free a new black 4.1
1 with a solid  discount  a  silver older 4.1

1 with a small coupon discount the one I purchased today.

I paid about 2.8282 btc for all my avalon gear.  A 3 pack should cost 5.44 btc.

So my review of the items has been well rewarded.

I am going to order a new quad rasp pi on fri from amazon. this model

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008XVAVAW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A30ZYR2W3VAJ0A

along with a better card

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IVPU7KE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER


will get back with this info soon.  maybe all setup by Mon or Tues.

That is a good question. I do not have the new RPi yet but one is on the way. If it does work well on it I bet we could run a ton of Avalon 4's on it.
Did you get one of the new RPi's yet Phil??

Fast question I am using the feb 18 firmware on a rasp pi B  works very well 0 issues.

Does the firmware work for the new rasp pi 2 the quad core pi that came out a little while back.

I am considering expanding my avalon 4 setup and I want a back up rasp pi.  I can buy the older model here


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SQQF9C/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=0ZKGPJN6EW5YTBFSENNQ&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=1970559082&pf_rd_i=desktop

I know it works

I rather use the newer model.

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-512MB-Computer/dp/B00LPESRUK/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182621&sr=1-6&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

better yet the newest model is my first choice

http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-Project-Board/dp/B00T2U7R7I/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1426182688&sr=1-1&keywords=raspberry+pi++model+2

so what rasp pi will load and work this? thanks

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.0, Version: 401503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''401503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

New MM firmware released for Avalon4, Hardware model: MM-4.1, Version: 411503-9281cd10

Firmware Details:
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/mm41/2015-03-12/

ChangeLog:
* Version '''411503-9281cd10'''
* Fix mm firmware revert
* Check pg when mm working
* Fix boot failure(Change bootloader with ila)

Communicate:
    http://lists.canaan-creative.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
    IRC: #avalon @freenode.net

Documents:
    https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon

[ScryptAsic]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

[philipma1957]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

the 3 pack is 5.44 btc  this is  to usa with shipping included  that is 530 each

If they could match the s-5  419 with  shipping included  they would sell well.


So far the 4.1 is the quietest one the three made and when heavy under clocked it is the lowest at .42-43 watts a gh.

[valkir]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

Im currently talkign with them trying to manage something. Will let you know if I get a nice reabte. 

A group buy could be nice ??

If you will join the GB let me know to have a idea.

Name:
Quantity:

Cheer

Valkir

[sidehack]

I've been wanting to get one of these but have not a lot of available coin. I'd consider tossing in a GB, one unit in the US.

[topminingcontracts]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

the 3 pack is 5.44 btc  this is  to usa with shipping included  that is 530 each

If they could match the s-5  419 with  shipping included  they would sell well.


So far the 4.1 is the quietest one the three made and when heavy under clocked it is the lowest at .42-43 watts a gh.

Hi

Bitmain S5s sales at the prices required by Bitmain today are almost zero.
Spondoolies were selling the lasts SP20s under $366 shipping included is 0.31 x GH @ 0.5W x GH

For Avalon to sell significant volumes price needs to be equal or better than the SP20s that is u$s 310 (1000 GH x $0.31) including shipping.
If shipping cost per unit in 50 units pallets are about u$s 25 per unit, so FOB price of Avalon 4.1 needs to be u$s 285.- a price that the factory can't do now.

If AM is out of the game.

The question here is who Spondoolies, Canaan or Bitmain will launch the next more efficient unit.

Bitmain has already a chip that can perform much better in hand.
Spondoolies probably has the best more efficient design but looks the chip is not ready
Cannan probably can produce a new more efficient chip may be not so efficient as Spondoolies not so cheap as Bitmain

If can stay competitive in price and efficiency I think next 12 months will be good for Canaan I am very possitive on them.

Regards

Juan

[topminingcontracts]

I've been wanting to get one of these but have not a lot of available coin. I'd consider tossing in a GB, one unit in the US.

We have a large experience in GB

We did some very big ones.

I doubt Avalon price will reduce more than $5-$6 in a Group Buy because their costs.

Regards

Juan

[dogie]

Bitmain S5s sales at the prices required by Bitmain today are almost zero.

That's not true, and prices were dropped again.

For Avalon to sell significant volumes price needs to be equal or better than the SP20s that is u$s 310 (1000 GH x $0.31) including shipping.

The SP20 doesn't exist, its irrelevant.

[nexus99]

Bitmain S5s sales at the prices required by Bitmain today are almost zero.

That's not true, and prices were dropped again.

For Avalon to sell significant volumes price needs to be equal or better than the SP20s that is u$s 310 (1000 GH x $0.31) including shipping.

The SP20 doesn't exist, its irrelevant.

It set the benchmark price point.

[Bicknellski]

Plenty of USED SP20s as well as many other form factors out there now up for sale for anyone even toying with mining as well as S2s with potential upgrades as well as other units flooding the marketplace.

Nothing irrelevant in that.

[dogie]

Bitmain S5s sales at the prices required by Bitmain today are almost zero.

That's not true, and prices were dropped again.

For Avalon to sell significant volumes price needs to be equal or better than the SP20s that is u$s 310 (1000 GH x $0.31) including shipping.

The SP20 doesn't exist, its irrelevant.

It set the benchmark price point.

*Lost them lots of money and is now gone. S5's are the current price benchmark, not SP20s.

[el_rlee]

Would be really nice to have a third player on the market.

[Bicknellski]

Would be really nice to have a third player on the market.

Be nice if there was an alternative to companies that have failed to adequately deliver as promised.

Given there are plenty of used miners that are cheaper and more efficient than these makes little sense buying these.

Further it makes little or no sense for small operations to keep mining in general. If you are not a mid-sized player looking to expand at this point you are going to lose money in the longer term. If you are just doing this as a hobby then the used market is the best option.

[ScryptAsic]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

Im currently talkign with them trying to manage something. Will let you know if I get a nice reabte.  

A group buy could be nice ??

If you will join the GB let me know to have a idea.

Name:
Quantity:

Cheer

Valkir

I would buy a few, but it all depends on prices per unit. If they can come down I would want up to 3 units total. I already have an old Raspberry Pi to use as controller. Have them get you a price on a batch of 50 / 100 / etc..

[philipma1957]

If you guys could just come down a little bit these would sell like hotcakes. I have fairly cheap power, but when I run the numbers it just doesn't work for me. What about offering a large group buy to drive the price down some?

Im currently talkign with them trying to manage something. Will let you know if I get a nice reabte.  

A group buy could be nice ??

If you will join the GB let me know to have a idea.

Name:
Quantity:

Cheer

Valkir

I would buy a few, but it all depends on prices per unit. If they can come down I would want up to 3 units total. I already have an old Raspberry Pi to use as controller. Have them get you a price on a batch of 50 / 100 / etc..

I go shipping info on the third unit.  It should come on weds.  i hope to show a 3 unit setup.  I also ordered the newer quad rasp pi I have it on hand.  I hope to set it up with the 3 units.  I do Have the older rasp pi that uses the larger sd card a plain model b it works great with 2 of these.

[philipma1957]

I made a microcard for the quad core new faster pi.  the card works fine for the old slower model B.  it does not work for the quad core rasp pi.

So until I get an image for the quad core rasp pi  I advise anyone looking to run these to have a model b on hand.  no one has shown me a working model b plus or a working model 2 b quad core..

While this is a bit beyond my experience .  I did  get my model b rasp pi to work with 4 different cards including the microcard.  the quad core I got does work with the included micro card. anyone with a working image for the quad core feel free to send me a pm with a link.

the software included with the newer rasp pi works and the quad core rasp pi does work. so avalon need to build an image for the newer rasp pi

[dogie]

I made a microcard for the quad core new faster pi.  the card works fine for the old slower model B.  it does not work for the quad core rasp pi. So until I get an image for the quad core rasp pi  I advise anyone looking to run these to have a model b on hand.  no one has shown me a working model b plus or a working model 2 b quad core..

I didn't think they worked together but didn't want to say anything as I wasn't sure. I was really disappointed to find out that they didn't make them even remotely backwards compatible because it defaults the whole purpose of having "1" platform everyone works from. Now everyone has to start again and support TWO platforms, its silly.

[philipma1957]

I made a microcard for the quad core new faster pi.  the card works fine for the old slower model B.  it does not work for the quad core rasp pi. So until I get an image for the quad core rasp pi  I advise anyone looking to run these to have a model b on hand.  no one has shown me a working model b plus or a working model 2 b quad core..

I didn't think they worked together but didn't want to say anything as I wasn't sure. I was really disappointed to find out that they didn't make them even remotely backwards compatible because it defaults the whole purpose of having "1" platform everyone works from. Now everyone has to start again and support TWO platforms, its silly.

well I have a nice new rasp pi quad sitting in its box waiting for a working image.

this is on rasp pi people not avalon.  I can return it if I want as it was an amazon purchase.

I will need to get an older rasp pi.  plain old vanilla model b  as a backup.  Also if I split the set of three avalons and sell 1 or 2  will need the second rasp pi.  I will post a wtb in the market place.

[sidehack]

I think I got a couple running around, can send you one.

[Meech]

Sorry to hear to hear that.  I just bought a pi screen and same thing happened to me it works on model B but not pi 2.  Avalon needs to update they're image.  Seems stupid to buy old boards.  The problem with the pi's and the like is we have to wait for someone to code it.  Still haven't got my Bitcoin node running on the pi, no tutorial seems to work.  I want an Avalon to run in my house but the price needs to drop a bit.

[sidehack]

Yeah, seems stupid to buy old boards. Unless you remember the old board still has enough overhead to support 50 Avalon4.1 units stable off a full Linux install because it's more powerful than an entire desktop computer was ten years ago and there's no reason anyone would ever need a friggin' quad-core processor to run cgminer for anything less than about half a petashash worth of gear. Actually I'd be surprised if cgminer could multithread and take advantage of multicore architecture just for serial comms anyway, so there's zero reason to get the new board over the old one except it makes your penis bigger.

[dogie]

Yeah, seems stupid to buy old boards. Unless you remember the old board still has enough overhead to support 50 Avalon4.1 units stable off a full Linux install because it's more powerful than an entire desktop computer was ten years ago and there's no reason anyone would ever need a friggin' quad-core processor to run cgminer for anything less than about half a petashash worth of gear. Actually I'd be surprised if cgminer could multithread and take advantage of multicore architecture just for serial comms anyway, so there's zero reason to get the new board over the old one except it makes your penis bigger.

Its also worth pointing out that there are already 3+ million original Pis in existence, and so from that perspective should remain the focus of development. Yes it is extremely annoying that you can't buy the originals any more, and that they're not cross compatible but that is the fault of the foundation.

[sidehack]

I thought in the announcement of the new boards they said they'd continue to build the old ones? Guess I'm remembering wrong.

[philipma1957]

I think I got a couple running around, can send you one.

thanks but I purchased one on ebay. If it is a dud I will pm you for one.

I actually like that this model b used the bigger sdcard.

Sooner or later I will get around to playing with the newer rasp pi quad

[philipma1957]

I thought in the announcement of the new boards they said they'd continue to build the old ones? Guess I'm remembering wrong.

you can get model b from amazon new in box.

I have one.

Was just looking for upgraded model 2 b for more power concept.

Also I am going to sell 1 or  2 of my 3 avalons and will supply buyer with a working rasp pi.  So I had to have a second working model.

[wlefever]

I thought in the announcement of the new boards they said they'd continue to build the old ones? Guess I'm remembering wrong.

you can get model b from amazon new in box.

I have one.

Was just looking for upgraded model 2 b for more power concept.

Also I am going to sell 1 or  2 of my 3 avalons and will supply buyer with a working rasp pi.  So I had to have a second working model.

Are you selling or have you sold these avalons?  I am interested.

[philipma1957]

I thought in the announcement of the new boards they said they'd continue to build the old ones? Guess I'm remembering wrong.

you can get model b from amazon new in box.

I have one.

Was just looking for upgraded model 2 b for more power concept.

Also I am going to sell 1 or  2 of my 3 avalons and will supply buyer with a working rasp pi.  So I had to have a second working model.

Are you selling or have you sold these avalons?  I am interested.

I have 3 in stock running as I type. I made a commitment to sell 2. So I have 1 I did not make a commitment to sell. I kind of want to hold these for a bit, but shoot me a pm.

[dogie]

New firmware released for Avalon4 RPi/703N, Version: Canaan A4-20150331

Firmware Details:
RPi/703N Firmware
    http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon4/openwrt/20150331_1012/

ChangeLog:
* Add --avalon4-freezesafe option
* Fix hash rate counter
* Change default fan & overheat for separate miningmode
* Update cutoff process when Avalon4 is overheat
* Correct asic workflow when cutoff is off
* Enable voltage adjustment when cutoff is off
* Enable setting LED on/off through API command
* Add upgrade and status button when upgrade mm firmware finish
* Support mm-tools on TL-WR703N

Fengling

[charles2k]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

[philipma1957]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

[klondike_bar]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

[dogie]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

Which fans are you talking about? Even modded the S5 is no where near the sound level of the Avalon4.

[mavericklm]

Any miner can be made silent with a bit of cash and more imagination! any miner!
Talking about fan cooling... there is wc, oils, novec....

[bgibso01]

Any idea if there's a bundle price on just the miners and not including the other stuff?

[klondike_bar]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

Which fans are you talking about? Even modded the S5 is no where near the sound level of the Avalon4.

I had a good experience running the fan at 7V (comparable to an SP20 at 20-30%) and as low as 5V (Sp20 at 10-15%) when very cold air was used at the inlet. thats a 5$ mod at the most. otherwise there a few options for >100cfm quiet fans

i havent personally heard the avalon, but noise is secondary to well-priced hashrate right now

[dogie]

i havent personally heard the avalon, but noise is secondary to well-priced hashrate right now

Oh nevermind, I read your "you can make the S5 quieter" as "you can make the S5 quieter [than the Avalon4]".

[notlist3d]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

Which fans are you talking about? Even modded the S5 is no where near the sound level of the Avalon4.

I had a good experience running the fan at 7V (comparable to an SP20 at 20-30%) and as low as 5V (Sp20 at 10-15%) when very cold air was used at the inlet. thats a 5$ mod at the most. otherwise there a few options for >100cfm quiet fans

i havent personally heard the avalon, but noise is secondary to well-priced hashrate right now

I can see your point on price, I cannot argue that.  But on noise I find it hard to believe it will match the avalon without more mod or cold ambient to  help.   I didn't believe how quiet they are till I got one for fun.   I litarly cannot hear it in my room.  I can hear my projector over it which is not a super loud projector.

[dogie]

I can see your point on price, I cannot argue that.  But on noise I find it hard to believe it will match the avalon without more mod or cold ambient to  help.   I didn't believe how quiet they are till I got one for fun.   I litarly cannot hear it in my room.  I can hear my projector over it which is not a super loud projector.

i havent personally heard the avalon, but noise is secondary to well-priced hashrate right now

Oh nevermind, I read your "you can make the S5 quieter" as "you can make the S5 quieter [than the Avalon4]".

Its a wording thing, he wasn't trying to say he could get the S5 quieter than .... 0 ...., but rather you can make the S5 quieter than a stock S5. There are probably 10 things in my room which are louder than my Avalon4, including my old monitor. Avalon4 is confirmed witchcraft.

[Bicknellski]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

What would it take BTC price wise to make it attractive klondike_bar? 500$? 600$

Given you are likely getting pre-mined equipment I don't see why anyone would want to buy this or any miner. Home mining is hobby time and that would be the only reason to own any equipment. To tinker and play with nothing more. I don't think anyone or there boss is going to let you plug in Avalon or Ants in your office cubical that is just dumb argument.

[philipma1957]

Nice product, but very overpriced.
Shipping for one piece (ehash) 0,6BTC? It is aprox. 144USD (if BTC 240) !! And almost no discount for shipping if more pieces.
(Bitmain S5 - 55USD only and if more pieces under 30USD)

For that price does not make any sense to buy.

The premium price is for the quiet it provides.
This is a great product if you have an office space with free power .

Put an s-5 in your office and see what your boss thinks.

  Many places have a need for a space heater even in the summer. Due to Air Conditioning  that is controlled by the landlord not the tenant.
My friend rents 20%  of the top floor of  a bank.  He pays 20% of the power bill  as he is a sublet to the main tenant .
He is underheated in the winter and over a/c in the summer.   Right now I have 2 s-3's in his office they have been running since July of 2014.
I will replace with these s-3's with my avalon 4.1's in late May.

So this is a perfect piece of equipment for his needs.

You are correct that is costs a lot it is not for a big farm

not a worthwhile premium. you can make the antminer S5 quieter with a $5-20 fan mod and a little underclocking. The S3 is the alternative, and very inexpensive.

I want 10TH of equipment today, and honestly neither avalon of bitmain are appealing options

What would it take BTC price wise to make it attractive klondike_bar? 500$? 600$

Given you are likely getting pre-mined equipment I don't see why anyone would want to buy this or any miner. Home mining is hobby time and that would be the only reason to own any equipment. To tinker and play with nothing more. I don't think anyone or there boss is going to let you plug in Avalon or Ants in your office cubical that is just dumb argument.

My friend is the boss of his office space. So for him running 2 or 3 of these are not an issue.

[klondike_bar]

well, in that case i look forward to avalon making a larger, affordable unit (something rackmountable and <4U in size) that is similarly quiet.

S3 noise is the ideal for me - tucked in the back corner of a stockroom it is audible but not overbearing

[Bicknellski]

well, in that case i look forward to avalon making a larger, affordable unit (something rackmountable and <4U in size) that is similarly quiet.

S3 noise is the ideal for me - tucked in the back corner of a stockroom it is audible but not overbearing

Pretty sure this is the last unit they will make.

They won't compete with the chips already being designed and the market has dried up for home miners.

The end game is now they were behind the curve on this chip they are falling further behind price and efficiency wise.

And again I could fill my 3rd floor with miners as the "boss" but why? They lose money Avalon 4.1s especially so. No one in their right mind is hooking these up except as hobby at this point.

[dogie]

well, in that case i look forward to avalon making a larger, affordable unit (something rackmountable and <4U in size) that is similarly quiet.

S3 noise is the ideal for me - tucked in the back corner of a stockroom it is audible but not overbearing

They won't compete with the chips already being designed and the market has dried up for home miners.

Like which? And how do you know how Avalon4+ / Avalon5 performs?

[MidwestMiner]

Just received a Avalon 4.1 today and have to say that they do not disappoint. Built like a tank, not a scratch on it and as effective if not more than any other ASIC on the market.

I do however have a question for the thread that I haven't seen answered anywhere: what are good settings for maxing it out if you don't care about power, noise or heat? What GH is the "max" anyone has ran a single module at (consistently without heaps or errors)?

Thank you in advance.

[philipma1957]

Just received a Avalon 4.1 today and have to say that they do not disappoint. Built like a tank, not a scratch on it and as effective if not more than any other ASIC on the market.

I do however have a question for the thread that I haven't seen answered anywhere: what are good settings for maxing it out if you don't care about power, noise or heat? What GH is the "max" anyone has ran a single module at (consistently without heaps or errors)?

Thank you in advance.

I can do 500:440:420  vs stock 450:390:370

I can set volts to  8625  vs stock 8000

I can set fans to 75 vs 20


I even did 525:450:430  with 8625 volts. 

I have trouble at the 1225 gh mark  not so much with errors or heat or noise, but the watts per gh go over .7

these machines like 770 to 925 gh you can get  about .52 watts per gh

[philipma1957]

Just received a Avalon 4.1 today and have to say that they do not disappoint. Built like a tank, not a scratch on it and as effective if not more than any other ASIC on the market.

I do however have a question for the thread that I haven't seen answered anywhere: what are good settings for maxing it out if you don't care about power, noise or heat? What GH is the "max" anyone has ran a single module at (consistently without heaps or errors)?

Thank you in advance.

But just for you I got off my lazy butt and wired 1 socket for 240 volts .

I have 2 psus. both are platinum one can do 92% the other can do 94%

one is an intel server it does 94% and 1200 watt max at 240 volts

the other is an evga1600 p2 it does 1600 watt at 240 volts.

I can't measure watts as my k-watt meters do up to 120 volts.

It appears running at 8500 volts with fan at 40 fre at 31.38 freq settings at 550:490:470 is safe

with super good plat psus at 240 volts I am not going higher but  just work off those custom settings