Unjust scammer tag

[copumpkin]

In the real world, if someone accidentally makes a bank transfer to you and you go spend it, you're liable for theft (you don't usually have the option of not returning the money unless you've spent it). At least, that's what I've gathered. And regardless of the law, it makes you a douchebag, and I certainly wouldn't want to do business with someone who won't hesitate to screw me if I make a mistake in my dealings with him, so I say the tag is appropriate.

In fact, even if he does end up returning the money, the whole "screw you if you make a mistake" attitude wouldn't make me want to trade with you any more.

Some people have no honour and decency. Not your mistake ? That's typical eastern attitude...

He's an asshole, but generalizations like that are unnecessary and just reflect badly on you.

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[Matthew N. Wright]

@Everyone:

This piece of garbage is basically saying that if you do business with him, and you accidentally send him too many coins, he's going to keep them. His words, not mine.

Have a nice day.

[copumpkin]

He gave me the BTC with his own free will. I never hacked his client. I never pointed a gun to his head.

I get the scammer tag just because he is VIP on here and donated to forum ... so he gets to label me anything

This isn't about nepotism. Read http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/jan/09/bank-account-250000-error, for a real-world example of the same situation (there are many others). You are in the wrong, here.

[Turbor]

...but generalizations like that are unnecessary and just reflect badly on you.

I have no problems to tell you that i don't like (almost) all of them. Does that make me a racist ?

[bulanula]

I may be an asshole but not a scammer.

The tag is not justified.

He makes mistake.

I say I give BTC back.

He attacks me.

I did my best to give what he paid for but no refund after he treats me like a thief because he made the mistake first and even so he starts attacking ME for no reason.

The fact I got scammer tag on here just because he is VIP and gets to play around with the admins any way he wants just shows how fair this whole community is.

Scam = A dishonest scheme; a fraud. Swindle.

I never did anything like that. I refuse to pay for his mistakes when he acts like a jerk in the first place towards me.

Will he get my BTC-E account unbanned ? Will he take back his harsh words "liar, thief, scammer" ? Will he roll back my reputation he ruined on the forum ? I doubt it.

And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag

[copumpkin]

I may be an asshole but not a scammer.

The tag is not justified.

He makes mistake.

I say I give BTC back.

He attacks me.

I did my best to give what he paid for but no refund after he treats me like a thief because he made the mistake first and even so he starts attacking ME for no reason.

The fact I got scammer tag on here just because he is VIP and gets to play around with the admins any way he wants just shows how fair this whole community is.

Scam = A dishonest scheme; a fraud. Swindle.

I never did anything like that. I refuse to pay for his mistakes when he acts like a jerk in the first place towards me.

Will he get my BTC-E account unbanned ? Will he take back his harsh words "liar, thief, scammer" ? Will he roll back my reputation he ruined on the forum ? I doubt it.

And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag

Okay, scammer might be pushing it. Thief is what you'd get called in the real world, but we don't have a tag for that.

[server]

And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag

Duhhh... 21-2 ... did you pay back allready ?

[bulanula]

And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag

Duhhh... 21-2 ...

Are those the results of the poll ?

I can't even see them myself.

In any case, anyone who thinks this is a scam is probably trolling.

This is not a scam and the scammer tag just proves how money talks.

smart1985 is a VIP, he donated 50 BTC and because of that he gets to label me a scammer for no reason.

I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.

I lol'ed.

Your chance was right now, and you've already stated what you think is your case. I couldn't care less who the person sent you coins was. It could be CoinExchanger, Bitscalper, Atlas, or some other shady fuck that we all wish were in a ditch someplace, but definitely you're wrong in this and every word out of your mouth that isn't "I'm wrong", is one more person who's going to hate you.

Keep it up, asshole. The popcorn is popping.

[copumpkin]

I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.

Then try to, right here. I've made a couple of posts already explaining how what you did was wrong, and you keep ignoring them and focusing on the trolls and bitching about how the VIP is getting preferential treatment. We've established that the whole "I didn't hold a gun to his head so his money transfer was clearly a donation to me" angle is bullshit, so give us another justification of your behavior.

[JusticeForYou]

The coins are yours. However, there are consequences to actions. You are completely free to keep the coins. "No Chargebacks" and all. The community however, expects you to repay the coins. It is up to you. If 'you' did receive them from 'him' and you didn't earn them in some fashion, returning them would be an acceptable thing to do.

This is a slippery slope. The sender also bears some responsibility. His mistake causes the receiver to do extra work. A compromise, I would think, would be in order. Maybe 90:10 on the overpayment.

I would just want to be careful that the sender is the sender and the receiver is the receiver here or this could turn into another form of scam.

[dooglus]

A couple of days ago I was playing with a new Bitcoin wallet service.  I deposited 5 BTC then tried to withdraw them again.  It appeared that the withdrawal didn't work, so I tried again, 4 more times.  Each time it seemed to fail.  A few minutes later I looked at my wallet and I had 5 separate incoming payments of 5 BTC from the wallet service.

I immediately emailed the owner of the wallet service telling him about the mistake and asking for an address to which I could refund the coins he had accidentally sent me.  That's what decent people do.

It doesn't make you a scammer that you didn't return the coins you were sent by mistake, but it does make me never want to do business with you.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Chris Moore wrote:

I think I just found another, more serious bug.

I sent myself 5 BTC using the MtGox checkout, then somehow managed to
withdraw it 5 times I think.  See here:

http://blockchain.info/address/1****g

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, ***** wrote:

Hey Chris!

Ack, thanks for bringing this up, and offering to send the "ill-gotten
gains" back! I found and fixed the bug now.. and set your account
balance to -20 BTC to get the accounting right. If you want to just send
yourself 5 BTC again through *****, it should charge you 25 BTC to do so,
which will result in everything getting back in kilter!

Thanks again for all the debugging work!!
*****!

Hey Chris!

I see the 25 BTC cleared and you withdrew the excess 5 BTC again now too.. hopefully everything is all set!

Thanks as always,

*****!

[bulanula]

I don't even get a chance of appeal or to defend myself.

Then try to, right here. I've made a couple of posts already explaining how what you did was wrong, and you keep ignoring them and focusing on the trolls and bitching about how the VIP is getting preferential treatment. We've established that the whole "I didn't hold a gun to his head so his money transfer was clearly a donation to me" angle is bullshit, so give us another justification of your behavior.

My justification was this :

1. He made the mistake and he takes it out on me. Calls me scammer, thief, liar; gets my BTC-E account banned and comes on here as well to get me scam tag just because he is VIP

2. All this before I even had chance to pay BTC back because it was easter time celebrations

3. Seeing his procedure and decision to directly attack me without giving me a chance to give his btc back and talking to me about it nicely in private and not ruining my reputation

4. I decide to give refund in the form of product so I give him 10 months ( what he paid ) and 2 months bonus. It was the best I could do. Money is still there. Ad was there until theymos removed it. His mistake and I try and compensate for it but if he is a jerk with me I am also a jerk with him. He started it.

Why does he still not comment on here and talk to me privately to sort it out like two men ? Why does he attack me indirectly being a pussy ?

Why does he use theymos ( gives me scammer tag ) and other ways to attack me indirectly ?

He does not want his little side business with mybitcointrade.com and btc-play.com to get hurt and other people to see he is attacking me directly.

[jamesg]

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bulanula,

Stop being butt hurt because the sender said something to make you mad. You have a simple choice to make:

1. Be the better human being and give the coins back.
2. Act like a child, earn the disrespect of every person on these forums.

It's your choice.....

Best,
gigavps

[bulanula]

Send it back.

Accident or not, in honor, loyalty and in good faith, send it back.

I agree with Matthew and have to say Yes, Scumbag.

Well I would have sent it back if he did not attack me like a coward.

Will he give me my BTC-e account back ?

Get my previous reputation back ?

No. So I refuse to give refund after he is being a jerk. He is a jerk = I am also a jerk with him.

He made #1 mistake = sending 25 BTC to me

He made #2 mistake = instead of trying to sort it out with my privately like a man he goes the backdoor way and indirectly attacks me

[bulanula]

I would have given the coins back if he did not attack me like that.

He comes and attacks me without even giving me a chance to give BTC back

We are debating whether I am a scammer here. Clearly that is not the case.

Will he get the scammer tag or any mark for trying to attack me first ? NO. Because he is big VIP boss and donated 50 BTC to forum.

I am the underdog and have to take all his shit after he can't read numbers and can't communicate with me like a man ...

[jamesg]

I would have given the coins back if he did not attack me like that.

So you've decided to stay butt hurt. Good for you....

* gigavps puts bulanula back on ignore

[Matthew N. Wright]

I would have given the coins back if he did not attack me like that.

So you've decided to stay butt hurt. Good for you....

* gigavps puts bulanula back on ignore

Ditto.

[bulanula]

I really am surprised that they ( theymos + smart1985 VIP big boss ) did not change my avatar to one of these :







and write under my signature : SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER SCAMMER

and change my username to : bulaSCAMnula

and try and hack into my comp to get my BTC.

After seeing smart1985 and his 100% flawless ethics I would be surprised if that did not happen.

The fact I have a scammer tag shows loads about this forum. Anybody reading this whole story clearly can see this is NOT a scam. Where is the evidence ? Where is the scam ? Where did I tell that guy to send me millions of BTC ?

Other real scammers like a1bitcoinpool took two weeks and tons of evidence to get scammer tag but I get scammer tag instantly for doing nothing at all.

[John (John K.)]

I may be an asshole but not a scammer.

The tag is not justified.

He makes mistake.

I say I give BTC back.

He attacks me.

I did my best to give what he paid for but no refund after he treats me like a thief because he made the mistake first and even so he starts attacking ME for no reason.

The fact I got scammer tag on here just because he is VIP and gets to play around with the admins any way he wants just shows how fair this whole community is.

Scam = A dishonest scheme; a fraud. Swindle.

I never did anything like that. I refuse to pay for his mistakes when he acts like a jerk in the first place towards me.

Will he get my BTC-E account unbanned ? Will he take back his harsh words "liar, thief, scammer" ? Will he roll back my reputation he ruined on the forum ? I doubt it.

And still I am the "guilty" one with the big SCAMMER tag

Since when did you say that you are giving him his BTC back? The original posts depicts you refusing to return his BTC at all.