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October 09, 2014, 07:16:21 AM
Last edit: December 05, 2014, 09:44:35 PM by bracek
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Owes me 60 btc,
do deals with him at your own peril...


basically, he honored the first deal, knowing there would be the second one
in second one, he did not pay me,

I was sending first, in both deals, thinking he has more to lose if he scams me, but,
he is obviously cashing in on his trust rating

I will be posting more info later today...



EDIT :
I got 10 bitcoins back, 50 more to go

EDIT :
got another 10 btc, 40 more to go

EDIT:
months are passing, as I called it out earlier,
he is waiting for the case to defuse and eventually not pay for my coins

EDIT :

december,
he still owes 35 btc ...
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October 09, 2014, 07:32:22 AM
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Damn, that is definitely not chump change...

Still owes 60 BTC? I wonder how many Casascius coins were involved in that trade..

Good luck though if your claim is legitimate, it should get him motivated seeing his name in a scam accusation here.
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October 09, 2014, 02:13:19 PM
Last edit: October 09, 2014, 11:32:37 PM by Rawted
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He owes me 17 btc from jan/feb 2013 as well.

Good luck to you.
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October 09, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
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Damn, that is definitely not chump change...

Still owes 60 BTC? I wonder how many Casascius coins were involved in that trade..

Good luck though if your claim is legitimate, it should get him motivated seeing his name in a scam accusation here.


I sent him tube containing 30 casascius error coins from 2011.

agreed price was 90 btc,
he paid that one,
but at that time, he already knew, that second shipment of even greater value is coming


after the first deal, we gave each other positive feedback rating and I sent the second package,
mind you, first package was also sent like this, I sent first because of his reputation in the community, not just on his forum

so, second package was containing 2 x 25 btc
2 x 5 btc,
8 x single with error
and 2 x single without error,

al casascius pyhisical coins

he said he already had buyers for all those coins except the two big ones , (he was reselling them , I was dumping them, wanted out of phyz and into full digital holding)
so he sent me btc for all but those 2 x 25btc in question and 2 singles, as soon as they arrived in mail

since than quite some time passed, because he really did have that hearing where
he pleaded something, so I thought he was in jail with internet access, but could not reach his coins to pay me in full and complete the deal


later today I will try to  create some more visibility, I just happened to have a busy day...
 
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October 09, 2014, 02:36:19 PM
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this is the thread where he sold them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=724737.0;all

why delete original post ?

it was saying this :
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Hey All,

I am selling a 2011 25 BTC Casascius Coin. The coin is fully funded with the hologram intact.

Make any offer!

Will ship insured with tracking worldwide (this can be expensive) so please make sure your offer is reasonable.

EDIT: I have 2 of these available and a few people have been sending me PM's for bids.
If I accept your offer, I will send you my BTC address.
DO NOT send BTC to any address other than 11xRnZ5t4iGirDZMf77EPakbrxL5Tk7S2

Sold over 85 coins on these forums, feel free to look at my trust.

Here are both coins:
http://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1GdZpPMdSvVayCLweCvDVpCoSvvcu23gYX
http://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=1GoFpcAi3ebB13Kr98kuxGx3VfJ2phf1jT

Weight: About 34 grams, or 1.2 ounces.
Size: About 45 mm, or 1.75 inches.
Thickness: About 3mm
Plated with real gold.  Text on front is painted black.

HIGH QUALITY: http://imgur.com/nKinC0K,X5ZX06n,fhBXvhl,bIr4ghi#2
http://imgur.com/nKinC0K,X5ZX06n,fhBXvhl,bIr4ghi#3

These have my official stamp on my signature.

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Charlie ?
any comment on all this ?



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October 09, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
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this was the end of our communication,

the coins were still not sold at that time, I requested that he pays me nominal value funded in them, 50 btc,
and the rest , the premium, when they actually sell

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Quote from: bracek on August 18, 2014, 05:57:53 PM

actually, could you pay me 50 btc for them, and the rest when/if they get sold ?




Sorry for the delay in responding, I had some personal things to work on this week.

I guess I can send you 50 BTC, its only fair, Im holding onto your coins.

Send me your BTC address, Ill send it over.

Cheers.
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October 09, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
Last edit: October 09, 2014, 03:01:10 PM by bracek
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btw,

I asked casascius to give me some kind of pgp signed statement that I bought the coins in question directly from him,
to get at least some ground on this claim I am making


he surely has my name and address, because he sent them to me by mail


almost 48 hours passed since, and no reply from casascius, I did send him only one pm, only here, but still...



I don't know why, but I think charlie contacted him regarding these coins and I suspect that here also could be some dealing under the table.
If I am wrong, I will apologize

just saying...
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October 09, 2014, 06:38:29 PM
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btw,

I asked casascius to give me some kind of pgp signed statement that I bought the coins in question directly from him,
to get at least some ground on this claim I am making


he surely has my name and address, because he sent them to me by mail


almost 48 hours passed since, and no reply from casascius, I did send him only one pm, only here, but still...



I don't know why, but I think charlie contacted him regarding these coins and I suspect that here also could be some dealing under the table.
If I am wrong, I will apologize

just saying...


First thing first, you should contact a lawyer and discuss your options. It will cost a bit but well worth the expense.

Collect all the evidence and correspondence you have, speak with a lawyer and progress from there.
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October 09, 2014, 06:51:35 PM
Last edit: October 09, 2014, 07:06:32 PM by Yankee (BitInstant)
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Hey Bracek,

I havent been online in a few days, nor received any emails from you.

Please email me your Bitcoin address and I will take care of this. Ive never scammed anyone and dont intend to now.

You have my phone number, email, address and everything. I wish you would contact me that way instead of making "charlie shrem is a scammer thread"

For the record, you mailed me 200 BTC + worth of physical Bitcoins which I sold on your behalf. I've paid you over 150 BTC so far and told you I'd pay you when I sell the coins. I still have not sold all the coins and have been paying you anyways (I still have a few left). I am happy to pay you the rest if you contact me.

I PM'd you my email address again.

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October 09, 2014, 06:55:35 PM
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We will see how it goes, wish u luck author to get ur btc back

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October 09, 2014, 06:57:41 PM
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who the hell is Charlie Shrem?

My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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October 09, 2014, 07:06:09 PM
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who the hell is Charlie Shrem?
he's a bitcoin early adopter who has been under house arrest for some time for selling bitcoin to be used on silk road.

Im not under house arrest nor is that true. I am guilty of aiding and abetting an an unlicensed money transmitter business. 

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October 09, 2014, 07:21:57 PM
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Hey Bracek,

I havent been online in a few days, nor received any emails from you.

Please email me your Bitcoin address and I will take care of this. Ive never scammed anyone and dont intend to now.

You have my phone number, email, address and everything. I wish you would contact me that way instead of making "charlie shrem is a scammer thread"

For the record, you mailed me 200 BTC + worth of physical Bitcoins which I sold on your behalf. I've paid you over 150 BTC so far and told you I'd pay you when I sell the coins. I still have not sold all the coins and have been paying you anyways (I still have a few left). I am happy to pay you the rest if you contact me.

I PM'd you my email address again.

Charlie

I agree, this is mostly true, address sent

but, I have been sending you messages here from 24.th august,
4 or so, none of them got response

until just about now, after all  this, I am sorry,
we will together try to minimize the damage
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October 09, 2014, 07:25:36 PM
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and what about rawted's accusation, 17 btc, while we are clearing all this mess ?
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October 09, 2014, 07:30:15 PM
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Hey Bracek,

I havent been online in a few days, nor received any emails from you.

Please email me your Bitcoin address and I will take care of this. Ive never scammed anyone and dont intend to now.

You have my phone number, email, address and everything. I wish you would contact me that way instead of making "charlie shrem is a scammer thread"

For the record, you mailed me 200 BTC + worth of physical Bitcoins which I sold on your behalf. I've paid you over 150 BTC so far and told you I'd pay you when I sell the coins. I still have not sold all the coins and have been paying you anyways (I still have a few left). I am happy to pay you the rest if you contact me.

I PM'd you my email address again.

Charlie

I agree, this is mostly true, address sent

but, I have been sending you messages here from 24.th august,
4 or so, none of them got response

until just about now, after all  this, I am sorry,
we will together try to minimize the damage

From what I see, you sent me 2 PM's here and thats it. (Both PM's you can see I have not logged into the forums since before you sent those messages so there was no way I saw them)

You've libeled me on the internet calling me a scammer, which is personally offensive. You could have emailed me, called me, or anything.

Further, I've paid you BTC from those other coins that I still have not sold because you asked me to.

and what about rawted's accusation, 17 btc, while we are clearing all this mess ?


He claims BitInstant owes him money from about a year ago. Anyone who was owed money I personally paid them (even though the company closed and Im not personally liable). He never emailed me any deposit slips or anything I can cross reference, only an order number that I can't even check.

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October 09, 2014, 07:43:20 PM
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who the hell is Charlie Shrem?
he's a bitcoin early adopter who has been under house arrest for some time for selling bitcoin to be used on silk road.

Im not under house arrest nor is that true. I am guilty of aiding and abetting an an unlicensed money transmitter business. 
Sure, I was just giving an overview, I was under the impression you were under house in the past.

You have my sympathy when it comes to aiding and abetting an an unlicensed money transmitter business being a crime.
I'm glad that's sorted.

Sorry if I was rash, Im in 'charlie defensive' mode right now. I dont like when someone calls me a scammer when its simply not true.

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From what I see, you sent me 2 PM's here and thats it. (Both PM's you can see I have not logged into the forums since before you sent those messages so there was no way I saw them)

You've libeled me on the internet calling me a scammer, which is personally offensive. You could have emailed me, called me, or anything.

Further, I've paid you BTC from those other coins that I still have not sold because you asked me to.

and what about rawted's accusation, 17 btc, while we are clearing all this mess ?


He claims BitInstant owes him money from about a year ago. Anyone who was owed money I personally paid them (even though the company closed and Im not personally liable). He never emailed me any deposit slips or anything I can cross reference, only an order number that I can't even check.

well, when I looked at your profile, it said "last login today", several times between your last reply and todays reply

maybe admin can clear this up, if I made a mistake reading that, I apologize, but I still think yo were here..
in anyway, seemed too loose, I know, If I owed some money, I would be checking here more often

regarding your phone number, I am not aware I have it,
and also, it is kinda rude that you suggest I could have asked more for my money, no ?

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October 09, 2014, 07:52:27 PM
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lets just finish this,
why are btc not on the way ?
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From what I see, you sent me 2 PM's here and thats it. (Both PM's you can see I have not logged into the forums since before you sent those messages so there was no way I saw them)

You've libeled me on the internet calling me a scammer, which is personally offensive. You could have emailed me, called me, or anything.

Further, I've paid you BTC from those other coins that I still have not sold because you asked me to.

and what about rawted's accusation, 17 btc, while we are clearing all this mess ?


He claims BitInstant owes him money from about a year ago. Anyone who was owed money I personally paid them (even though the company closed and Im not personally liable). He never emailed me any deposit slips or anything I can cross reference, only an order number that I can't even check.

well, when I looked at your profile, it said "last login today", several times between your last reply and todays reply

maybe admin can clear this up, if I made a mistake reading that, I apologize, but I still think yo were here..
in anyway, seemed too loose, I know, If I owed some money, I would be checking here more often

regarding your phone number, I am not aware I have it,
and also, it is kinda rude that you suggest I could have asked more for my money, no ?


It said "last login today" because I logged in to view your message when you went on reddit to call me a scammer. Since then I have not been on the forums in a week, you can see my post history.

You do have my phone number, and my address, thats how you mailed me packages.

And I am not rude. I sent you over 150 BTC already and have not sold all the coins.

lets just finish this,
why are btc not on the way ?

Because I asked you to EMAIL ME like 5 times and you haven't done it and ignored me.

Im logging off the forums, if you want to continue this conversation, email me.

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