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February 02, 2015, 05:47:08 PM |
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The problem is that most people are not willing to voluntarily pay for things that is necessary to protect them. They however tend to expect for such services to be provided
Is this really a problem? - Is it a problem if a person expects to get food from a shop but is not willing to pay for it?
- Is it a problem if a person expects me to be friendly to him but is not willing to be friendly in return?
I'd say not only is this not a problem, but that even considering this a problem is itself a problem. As an evil capitalist I believe that: - the shopkeeper should not feel pressure to give their food away for free because the food is expected.
- I should not feel pressure to continue a friendship with someone that treats me like dirt just because this person expects friendship.
And further, a person should not feel the need to pay taxes just because the net beneficiaries of taxation expect it. My point is that people do not want to pay for things like national security, food safety, roads, and consumer protection services, ect. voluntarily. Collecting taxes is the only way to pay for these things. In your example, the shopkeeper should give a portion of his earnings to the government in return for protection from robberies (via the police force and the threat of jail via the legal system), and for the roads that his customers use in order to travel to his shop. |
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OmegaStarScream
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February 02, 2015, 05:55:10 PM |
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Goverments don't really care about their people (most of them don't ) and they want is fill their pockets and walk away.
If people disagree to pay taxes , they will simply blow their heads off .
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February 02, 2015, 07:03:48 PM |
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The problem is that most people are not willing to voluntarily pay for things that is necessary to protect them. They however tend to expect for such services to be provided
Is this really a problem? - Is it a problem if a person expects to get food from a shop but is not willing to pay for it?
- Is it a problem if a person expects me to be friendly to him but is not willing to be friendly in return?
I'd say not only is this not a problem, but that even considering this a problem is itself a problem. As an evil capitalist I believe that: - the shopkeeper should not feel pressure to give their food away for free because the food is expected.
- I should not feel pressure to continue a friendship with someone that treats me like dirt just because this person expects friendship.
And further, a person should not feel the need to pay taxes just because the net beneficiaries of taxation expect it. My point is that people do not want to pay for things like national security, food safety, roads, and consumer protection services, ect. voluntarily. Collecting taxes is the only way to pay for these things. In your example, the shopkeeper should give a portion of his earnings to the government in return for protection from robberies (via the police force and the threat of jail via the legal system), and for the roads that his customers use in order to travel to his shop. People don't want to pay for frequent skywriting competitions, weekly chess classes, or door-to-door ass-wiping services either. Here too, taxes are the only way to pay for these things. Why should people be forced to buy that which they do not value? Why do you believe that government should act directly against the wishes of the people? |
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February 02, 2015, 07:43:21 PM |
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You are being taxed because you are under a contract with "the government".
It is not a social contract; it is a commercial contract.
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February 02, 2015, 09:48:08 PM |
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Screw all that legal crap! The government lawyers will always find something.
The best thing is to stop working and go on social assistance. You can't get blood out of a stone!
Either that or just leave the country.
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February 06, 2015, 01:26:59 PM |
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Screw all that legal crap! The government lawyers will always find something.
The best thing is to stop working and go on social assistance. You can't get blood out of a stone!
Either that or just leave the country.
Good idea. Go on social assistance to avoid taxes so that people who pay taxes can support you. TT |
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February 06, 2015, 01:28:52 PM |
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Taxes are for the little people, optional for the 1%.
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February 06, 2015, 11:23:52 PM |
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Because tax became necessary for people to pay more than 1000 years ago. I guess people just followed it all the way till now  |
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February 07, 2015, 12:55:46 AM |
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Because tax became necessary for people to pay more than 1000 years ago. I guess people just followed it all the way till now Old habit...you know... |
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February 07, 2015, 01:01:43 AM |
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I guess it's because not so long ago in the not so distant past, if you never paid you're taxes then you would more than likely meet you're maker sooner than expected. My bet is it was molded into our dna to respect authority and do as we're told when we're told. Today they are pretty harsh if you are found to be avoiding taxes also although if you have half a brain there are many ways to avoid the biggest taxes  |
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February 07, 2015, 06:22:38 AM |
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My guess: the rich will always be able to hire half of the poor people in the world to kill off the other half that doesn't "fit the mold" so to speak.
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February 07, 2015, 06:33:27 AM |
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This thread is still going? maybe it needs to be a sticky? ha! Everytime I see it I'm reminded it's time to do my taxes. But I guess I pay my taxes because it comes right out of my check and I file a tax return to get some money back!
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February 07, 2015, 12:30:44 PM |
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Yeah I think many people agree to pay taxes
because for development of the country and help the unemployed.
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February 07, 2015, 03:50:30 PM |
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Yeah I think many people agree to pay taxes
because for development of the country and help the unemployed.
You take people who don't have much to help the people who don't have much; what about not taking much taxes in the fist place? |
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February 07, 2015, 06:55:22 PM |
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Screw all that legal crap! The government lawyers will always find something.
The best thing is to stop working and go on social assistance. You can't get blood out of a stone!
Either that or just leave the country.
Good idea. Go on social assistance to avoid taxes so that people who pay taxes can support you. TT There are a lot more ways to avoid paying taxes without going on social assistance. |
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February 09, 2015, 09:12:56 AM |
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to anyone bitching about your government, leave the country you are bitching about then.
i did. its actually pretty easy.
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February 09, 2015, 09:17:43 AM |
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Personally I pay taxes to avoid jail/fines/inconvenience.
I consider all the existing governments as lowly extortionists.
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February 09, 2015, 09:50:06 AM |
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to anyone bitching about your government, leave the country you are bitching about then.
i did. its actually pretty easy.
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Saying that you don't trust someone because of their behavior is completely valid.
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February 09, 2015, 09:55:59 AM |
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The grass is only greener light-years outside Earth's orbit.
... or in Greenland |
"Es ist kein Zeichen geistiger Gesundheit, gut angepasst an eine kranke Gesellschaft zu sein."
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February 12, 2015, 06:49:50 AM |
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In my country, the police and prisons are funded from tax money. The private companies had a crack at it, and they failed to make enough money from it, and withdraw... So someone has to fund this part of the need from society or we would have had rapist and murderers running around killing people and our kids would not be safe. So yes.. I would gladly pay my tax.. it's after all less painfull than being murdered or raped.  |
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