why do people agree to pay taxes?

[Robert Paulson]

so basically no one wants to pay the taxes.
everyone wants to have the services but they want to determine themselves how much of each service they consume and how much they pay for it and whom they buy it from.

the government is nothing but the most organized band of robbers on the geographical area they control.
somehow they manage to fool some of the sheeple with their silly flags and anthem songs that paying the protection money is for their own good.

You are basically arguing that people should receive services from the government, but should not pay any taxes. If this happened then the government would not be receiving money to pay for such services, so how would you suggest they pay for such services? 

I am arguing that people buy the services they need in the quantity that they need from anyone they want, not necessarily from the group of people called the government.

[indiangrad]

 We pay taxes because we use the infrastructure that govt helps build. Else for some investments required, there might bot be enough private participants willing

[painlord2k]

Because if for X reasons you lose your wealth and you become old and shit on your bedclothes, they can help you with the taxed money. It's called socialism aka common sense.

This is because the Communist/Socialist USSR fell, also.
They, also, tried to use force to keep people down.
When, for X reasons, they had not enough force to do so, they went down.

[BootstrapCoinDev]

Besides the people who don't report an income like eBay sellers or some making a lot of money on odd jobs everyone who pays taxes so far, possibly is afraid of the word called "audit."

[Robert Paulson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html

land of the slaves, home of the socialist.
how long will people continue to get pushed around like that, does anyone in America still have the balls to say enough is enough, your not taking my money?

[teukon]

land of the slaves, home of the socialist.
how long will people continue to get pushed around like that, does anyone in America still have the balls to say enough is enough, your not taking my money?

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, Irwin Schiff stands against the IRS and has maintained his position for 40 years.

Also, might I suggest:  "The land of the we and the home of the slave." where "we" references the collectivist mindset.

[TheLoser]

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

[halfawake]

The premise of this thread is kind of amusing.  No one "agrees" to pay taxes, you pay taxes because it's the price of living in modern society.  If you're feeling the need of attention from the federal government, just stop paying your taxes for a few years.  Unless you don't make any money, it won't take long before you're audited.  Note: I'm operating from a United States stand point since that's where I live, and I'm definitely not actually recommending trying this.

Besides, most people in this country work don't work for themselves, they work for an employer of some kind.  Tax evasion (at least of income taxes) isn't even an option since it's taken out of your paycheck before you even get the money.  So unless you either a) own your own business or b) are an independent contractor of some kind, you're paying your taxes regardless of whether or not you like it.  And if you're in either of those categories, you're also legally required to pay taxes, it just isn't necessarily automatically deducted from your paycheck like it is from people who work for other people.

[aljunking]

Because if you don't you'll go to jail. FOREVER.

[Ghostface]

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

You agree when you voluntarily pay it. Move to a place that doesn't demand income tax. Don't some American states not even have income tax but just sales tax?

[RodeoX]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us/law-lets-irs-seize-accounts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html

land of the slaves, home of the socialist.
how long will people continue to get pushed around like that, does anyone in America still have the balls to say enough is enough, your not taking my money?

Maybe not? Are you submitting a tax return this year that says "I refuse to pay!"?
Or perhaps demonstrate your lack of need for government by using only private roads, police, fire rescue, parks, schools, weather reports, etc.

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

You agree when you voluntarily pay it. Move to a place that doesn't demand income tax. Don't some American states not even have income tax but just sales tax?

I think it's the opposite. Some states have no sales tax. 

[scarsbergholden]

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

You agree when you voluntarily pay it. Move to a place that doesn't demand income tax. Don't some American states not even have income tax but just sales tax?

I think it's the opposite. Some states have no sales tax. 

There are some of both. Some states have no sales tax and some have no income tax. Most have both. I don't think there are any states that have neither. Pretty much all states have a property tax.

You do agree to pay the taxes because you are not forced to live in a locality that has taxes, as you could move somewhere that has lower taxes (or no taxes - although I doubt there are very many places like this because the government will provide services to it's citizens).

[halfawake]

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

You agree when you voluntarily pay it. Move to a place that doesn't demand income tax. Don't some American states not even have income tax but just sales tax?

I think it's the opposite. Some states have no sales tax. 

There are some of both. Some states have no sales tax and some have no income tax. Most have both. I don't think there are any states that have neither. Pretty much all states have a property tax.

You do agree to pay the taxes because you are not forced to live in a locality that has taxes, as you could move somewhere that has lower taxes (or no taxes - although I doubt there are very many places like this because the government will provide services to it's citizens).

scarsbergholden is correct.  Washington and Nevada don't have an income tax, Oregon doesn't have a sales tax.  The price, at least for Washington and Oregon, of not having one or the other is that by necessity the remaining tax has to be higher in order to be able to provide the services to the state.  Nevada may be an exception to that since they get so much revenue from gambling that they probably don't need to raise sales taxes to make up for the lack of income tax.

It's turned taxation in Washington state into a regressive system.  If you're a multimillionaire, it's a great place to live because you're spending taxes only on your consumption / spending.  If you're not making much, it's lousy because the bulk of your money is spent on things you need and thus you probably pay more in taxes than a place like California which has both.

[jinxx]

whoevers paying taxes is initially paying the person whos in control to government programs etc, that goes back to those banks.

or the paid lobbyist pretty much.

[novacn]

I don't agree, at least at this rate.
But there's not much choice space left, right 

[Shak]

Unsuprisingly to see the people of a complete desocialised society arguing against taxes. You just let your poor rot instead of helping them over there, hm? But your state shouldnt tax your few cent income because maybe your funny american dream shit comes true for you and you are finally on the top. Everone should just have what he can achieve? Including the one who had an accident while working in his yard and now can't lift heavy things anymore, rendering him unable to continue working in his profession? Is this really the society you want to live in? Do you have kids? Do you also determine how much food you give to them based on their grades at school? Is that your praised fairness?

Hilarious to see people argumenting against proper education for their kids, argumenting against help when you loose your job with 50 years and never ever will get a new one because you are too old, declining a level of healthcare you wouldn't be able to afford on your own.
Guess you are already so brainwashed by your media that you actually like staying poor with low taxes without even noticing that the rich are even more happy about that. They can amass even more money without having to spend it on help for those rows of people waiting in line for just one warm meal a day at the soup kitchen.

Furthermore, saying that everyone should take care of his own and only his own is especially interesting in the context of the religious background of the majority of people in the USA. It is also a contradiction to the reasons we formed societies at all. One who had a good harvest won't let the one with the landslide on his fields starve to death. When our society grew, more and more help was needed while on the other hand more and more people profited from staying together in groups. It became complicated to deal with the self-centered assholes and people who tried to obtain things by trickery. People with time were needed to work things through to ensure noone gets advantaged or disadvantaged. The first employees of society, paid by everyone in form of taxes.

Cut everything down again and you will still have streets and stuff. Of course. But not everywhere, only where it is nice to have them in the eyes of people with enough money to afford to build a street. Of course you will still have a society, but one thats extremely dependant on just a few rich people in your direct vicinity.

Sarcasm: Ah, and remove taxes/government/police/military and hey, maybe i come over with a few well trained and armed dudes and take your land, while you can do slavework on my fields. Look at countries with extremely weak governments like Syria, Irak or Ukraine Thats how it rolls

Ah, and you say that this ideas of socialism failed? Think about that: Can you imagine that for a third of the population of the US today, the living conditions of a failed socialist state like eastern germany, the DDR, would be an improvement compared what they have right now? In terms of housing, crime rate, education and perspective for their kids and so on? That a greece retired worker would love to be in the DDR in its last few years of "downfall", because he would be better off compared to his living conditions right now? You don't? Well, then there is nothing to do about you anymore, because you are denying hard facts.


The baseline is: We pay taxes to employ people and equip them with money to ensure they take on the task of improving society as a whole. To work out and pay for an improvement that benefits everyone. To make sure that a society prospers. Maybe they decide that it would be good for everyone to have free access to education, so everyone can get the most out of his abilities. Maybe they decide to improve the infrastructure, so companies can prosper. Maybe they decide that the harshness of live can be grossly unfair at times and people who suffer shouldn't get discarded, instead providing them with a minimum of funds to live a life in dignity. But all in all, it's still a democracy, and if your opinions aren't represented by the current political parties, then go on and found one. But please, please, stop crying in the internet. It won't change anything.

[TheButterZone]

Why the fuck are you even here then, Shak? Cash in every bitcoin you own and ever receive, and send 100% of it to the charity-raping human rights violators you worship with tl;dr tyrannical bullshit propaganda, then. Oh, and welcome to my ignore list, pig.

[scarsbergholden]

Nobody agrees to pay tax, its taken off automatically in our paychecks.

You agree when you voluntarily pay it. Move to a place that doesn't demand income tax. Don't some American states not even have income tax but just sales tax?

I think it's the opposite. Some states have no sales tax. 

There are some of both. Some states have no sales tax and some have no income tax. Most have both. I don't think there are any states that have neither. Pretty much all states have a property tax.

You do agree to pay the taxes because you are not forced to live in a locality that has taxes, as you could move somewhere that has lower taxes (or no taxes - although I doubt there are very many places like this because the government will provide services to it's citizens).

scarsbergholden is correct.  Washington and Nevada don't have an income tax, Oregon doesn't have a sales tax.  The price, at least for Washington and Oregon, of not having one or the other is that by necessity the remaining tax has to be higher in order to be able to provide the services to the state.  Nevada may be an exception to that since they get so much revenue from gambling that they probably don't need to raise sales taxes to make up for the lack of income tax.

It's turned taxation in Washington state into a regressive system.  If you're a multimillionaire, it's a great place to live because you're spending taxes only on your consumption / spending.  If you're not making much, it's lousy because the bulk of your money is spent on things you need and thus you probably pay more in taxes than a place like California which has both.

One state that you forgot to mention is Alaska. That is probably the only state that will effectively have no taxes if you make little enough money (the threshold is probably slightly above the national average income level) as they will give you a stipend of several thousand dollars per year that is from alaskian oil revenue. You will have to pay property, sales and income taxes (I think they have all three) but the total of these taxes will potentially be less then what you get from the oil refund

[ARadzi]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

People not neccessarily have to agree on paying taxes. It was written on the law and if you aint paying, naturally, the "Law" will gonna force you to pay for it. I am not going to write on where our taxes go coz I know you know it more that I. But come to think of it, where would the government get its fund to run a whole nation?

[Q7]

Because the majority of people want to lead a peaceful life and mainly also because we don’t have any other choice or alternative. Fact is fact and this is what we have been taught and programmed into our mind