why do people agree to pay taxes?

[twiifm]

Its your money?  LOL

That $465M loan to Tesla how much of that was yours? 

You can fund whatever you want.  Nobody is going to stop you. 

You want to dismantle gov't research grants?  Yeah good luck w that.  I doubt you'd ever gain the political will to do that

[Robert Paulson]

Its your money?  LOL

That $465M loan to Tesla how much of that was yours? 

You can fund whatever you want.  Nobody is going to stop you. 

You want to dismantle gov't research grants?  Yeah good luck w that.  I doubt you'd ever gain the political will to do that

i don't need to dismantle anything.
the great socialist republic of America will crumble all by itself from all the deadbeats in government and the free shit army wasting all the resources.
indeed it seems history has sense of humor, turning America into the much hated Soviet Union.

[NotLambchop]

^Well alright then.  Continue raging.

[teukon]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

[Robert Paulson]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

[Seketsuna]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

The goverment wouldn't like that, theres no not enough money for them if they make it voluntary

[worle1bm]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

[TheButterZone]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

[twiifm]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

No that just your hyperbole.  Nobody needs to die.  Proposals like school vouchers allow parents to deduct taxes for private school expense.  The problem w these kind of ideas though, is that it can create polarization of society and exaggerate inequality gap

[TheButterZone]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

No that just your hyperbole.  Nobody needs to die.  Proposals like school vouchers allow parents to deduct taxes for private school expense.  The problem w these kind of ideas though, is that it can create polarization of society and exaggerate inequality gap

Math is not hyperbole. If you add up every single thing that statists have claimed is a government benefit, only a completely irrational person would not say that sum is effectively equivalent to "everything".

[teukon]

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

Why up the ante?  Is there something wrong with the basic thought?

Still, going further is an interesting idea.  I'm sure a sufficiently large group of sufficiently wealthy libertarians would jump at the chance to essentially forge their own country from collectively owned land within the US.  Perhaps the Free State Project would give this a go.

[twiifm]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

That would require democide, if you follow the statists' logic that everything everyone requires for survival is a government benefit.

No that just your hyperbole.  Nobody needs to die.  Proposals like school vouchers allow parents to deduct taxes for private school expense.  The problem w these kind of ideas though, is that it can create polarization of society and exaggerate inequality gap

Math is not hyperbole. If you add up every single thing that statists have claimed is a government benefit, only a completely irrational person would not say that sum is effectively equivalent to "everything".

What does that mean "math is not hyperbole"?  Most of us think you can't separate the state from society.  Not modern societies anyways.

What does it have to do w taxes or democide?

You don't think there can be taxes in an anarchic system?  Of course there can be

[murraypaul]

i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

And if you don't like taxes and working governments, move to the free market anarchistic heaven that is Somalia.
See, stupid statements work both ways.

[NotLambchop]

Here's a thought: why not make all taxes voluntary?

I'm guessing that most people believe taxes to be good and dislike tax avoiders.  Surely, most of these people would still pay their taxes in full even were they not legally required to do so.  This way, the government still gets sufficient funds to provide various services and the tiny minority of anarchists will experience some relief from government oppression.

because even the pro government hypocrites who reply in this thread know damn well they wouldn't pay even 50% of what they are required to pay today in taxes for the services the government currently provides if they weren't forced to do it by armed thugs.

Why not up the ante? Folks who decide to pay no taxes don't get the benefit of anything that was/is funded via taxes.

Most filthy humans wouldn't pay for anything unless forced to do so.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

[Robert Paulson]

i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

And if you don't like taxes and working governments, move to the free market anarchistic heaven that is Somalia.
See, stupid statements work both ways.

the only problem with that is that somalia has a government.
in the brief period it didn't it had its highest economic growth ever.

[NotLambchop]

Yup.

[johny08]

Paying taxes is very important otherwise all the service can not be paid, which are used by public, so they should be run and own by public.

The state should take as much as the commerce is doing fine and people can afford their all day spending. That money should be used wisely, but sometimes its not, but as long we see paved streets and public transportation and social care its well done. Unfortunately state is going into debts and the public have to pay interests for that. That should be forbidden or made up with higher taxetion. IMO

[bl4kjaguar]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

The reason is simple: you don't understand the law, and particularly the authority of law. For whatever reason, you have not educated yourself on this topic.

It has been repeatedly declared by the courts of this land (America) that an enacting clause is to appear on the face of every law which the people are expected to follow and obey.

Here, I will help you out; if you are in a rush then simply read the last page or the chapter entitled "Our Nonconstitutional Legal System", but do read the entire document if you can:
http://econcurrent.com/devine/files/08-Law/Authority%20of%20Law%20part%202.pdf

[bl4kjaguar]

Paying taxes is very important otherwise all the service can not be paid, which are used by public.

That is a lie because everything in this country is pre-paid as per HJR 192.

All taxes go towards interest on the debt, per the Grace Commission Report.

In 1997, non-tax income (investment income) was twice as much as tax income per that year's Federal Consolidated Financial Statement.
Local and Federal Government's "GROSS" income brought in TWICE that of the entire population of the USA "net after taxation"; see cafr1.com for links to these documents.

Furthermore, all local governments in the US are corporations per Dun and Bradstreet, so they have shareholders who own those assets, and these are not "public non-profit" corporations as you describe.

You will also find this link quite informative, I am sure:
http://www.allcreatorsgifts.org/main0025.html

Ballantine's Law Dictionary tells you that it is duress (coercion) for them to threaten to terminate services for nonpayment:
Duress by public utility. The exaction of a payment demanded for services under threat of terminating service, thereby causing great injury to the property or business of the customer.

[Fabrizio89]

Paying taxes give you access to services from your country. When those services are of low quality people should get things in their hands and start looking at how their money were spent. This is not something we can do today because of how shady our political system makeg things, with cryptocurrencies everything would be at advatange of people.