why do people agree to pay taxes?

[nomadcrypto]

I am no legal expert but I have a strong belief, whether grounded in fact or not, that the entire system I live in is a kind of illegal agreement. Combining taxes with the monetary system I am forced to use and a political system that does not properly represent my concerns makes this usury in nature. I was never given the chance to make an informed choice. I was born into it.

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[TheButterZone]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

[worle1bm]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that the vast majority of infrastructure projects were and are publicly funded.

[Tsquared]

There is a cost to the comforts and security we require as a society.  We can argue if that cost is fair, or if money is spent wisely, but some form of contribution to the operation of communal services is a requirement for the success of every community, large or small.

TT

[TheButterZone]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that the vast majority of infrastructure projects were and are publicly funded.

... after government usurped the liberty and ultimate authority of private entities to fund infrastructure themselves (without corporate-government bribery).

<3 Stockholm syndrome.

[NotLambchop]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.

ORLY?  Other than access roads?  When/where was this?  Be specific.

[worle1bm]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that the vast majority of infrastructure projects were and are publicly funded.

... after government usurped the liberty and ultimate authority of private entities to fund infrastructure themselves (without corporate-government bribery).

<3 Stockholm syndrome.

So you, or a private company, are no longer allowed to fund infrastructure? Weird. You've completely fabricated that to support a poor argument.

<3 strawmen arguments and misused psychological conditions

[TheButterZone]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.

ORLY?  Other than access roads?  When/where was this?  Be specific.

Sources for people who won't feign ignorance after reading them:

Daniel Klein and John Majewski, "America's Toll Roads Heritage" in Street Smart: Competition, Entrepreneurship, and the Future of Roads, ed. Gabriel Roth (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 2006). See also Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Turnpikes and Toll Roads in Nineteenth-Century America," February 5, 2010

Rees Jeffreys, The King's Highway (London: Batchworth Press, 1949)

Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Economy, Community, and Law: The Turnpike Movement in New York, 1797-1845," in Law and Society Review 26 (1992)

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that the vast majority of infrastructure projects were and are publicly funded.

... after government usurped the liberty and ultimate authority of private entities to fund infrastructure themselves (without corporate-government bribery).

<3 Stockholm syndrome.

So you, or a private company, are no longer allowed to fund infrastructure?

Not without bribery (and bribery by every other name).

<3 defending the indefensible.

[nomadcrypto]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Do we need those things? In some sense yes we do but does the requirement for those things also come at the cost of actual freedom? If so that is a pretty heavy cost for a road.

[NotLambchop]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.

ORLY?  Other than access roads?  When/where was this?  Be specific.

Sources for people who won't feign ignorance after reading them:

Daniel Klein and John Majewski, "America's Toll Roads Heritage" in Street Smart: Competition, Entrepreneurship, and the Future of Roads, ed. Gabriel Roth (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 2006). See also Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Turnpikes and Toll Roads in Nineteenth-Century America," February 5, 2010
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Lol, stopped right there.  Of course private and toll roads exist.  Alongside government-funded roads.  I even had my own driveway paved once.  And referencing some d00d's school papers is pretty weak--might as well say "I did a social studies report I got an A on and posted on teh web."

How about something a bit less obscure?

Edit re. second citation:



Nice trolling there, champ

[TheButterZone]

Yes, everyone, let's ignore that roads used to be funded and constructed by businesses, so you could patronize them without having to change your flat tires.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the existence of volunteer fire/medic departments, and that you sometimes get billed, in addition to the taxes you already pay, if you use "the government's" public safety employees/contractors.
Yes, everyone, let's ignore the hundreds of trash companies that bill you for trash pickup, if you don't want to pay to drive your waste directly into the dump.

Do we need those things? In some sense yes we do but does the requirement for those things also come at the cost of actual freedom? If so that is a pretty heavy cost for a road.

Statists' "logic" seems to be that absolutely no freedom is ever lost at the hands of government, or that even if it is, being a tax slave is 100% worth it despite any/all evidence to the contrary.

Can't fix evil masquerading as ignorant. Ignore/block, move on.

[worle1bm]

Not without bribery (and bribery by every other name).

<3 defending the indefensible.

Yeah, you just made this up out of thin air and decided it's "true".

[TheButterZone]

Not without bribery (and bribery by every other name).

<3 defending the indefensible.

Yeah, you just made this up out of thin air and decided it's "true".

LOL, denying the existence of corporate-government bribery. Enjoy your spot on my ignore list.

[worle1bm]

Not without bribery (and bribery by every other name).

<3 defending the indefensible.

Yeah, you just made this up out of thin air and decided it's "true".

LOL, denying the existence of corporate-government bribery. Enjoy your spot on my ignore list.

LOL, being so fixed in your beliefs that you can't consider other possibilities. Amazing.

[Victoo]

They don't agree. It's not as if you have a choice. It's forced upon the people with threats of prison or worse.

[bl4kjaguar]

LOL, being so fixed in your beliefs that you can't consider other possibilities. Amazing.

Why consider the possibility that the government is benevolent? Who stands to benefit from that belief?

[twiifm]

LOL, being so fixed in your beliefs that you can't consider other possibilities. Amazing.

Why consider the possibility that the government is benevolent? Who stands to benefit from that belief?

Thats a strawman.  Nobody thinks govt is benevolent.  We "statists" think govt play a role in society.  They should be criticised if they fail in their role.  Its just idiotic to think there should be no govt or private sectors can replace specific governmental roles

Specifically speaking, why have an adminstrator of public services that have profit motive?  Like youv'e never been fucked over by a corporation

[bl4kjaguar]

LOL, being so fixed in your beliefs that you can't consider other possibilities. Amazing.

Why consider the possibility that the government is benevolent? Who stands to benefit from that belief?

Thats a strawman.  Nobody thinks govt is benevolent.  We "statists" think govt play a role in society.  They should be criticised if they fail in their role.  Its just idiotic to think there should be no govt or private sectors can replace specific governmental roles

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

[twiifm]

LOL, being so fixed in your beliefs that you can't consider other possibilities. Amazing.

Why consider the possibility that the government is benevolent? Who stands to benefit from that belief?

Thats a strawman.  Nobody thinks govt is benevolent.  We "statists" think govt play a role in society.  They should be criticised if they fail in their role.  Its just idiotic to think there should be no govt or private sectors can replace specific governmental roles

OOPS! “Government of the United States” listed on Dun & Bradstreet as a Private Corporation.

Yeah, it is totally idiotic that this government is a for-profit entity, I agree with that!!

Wait are you claiming US Govt is a for profit company?  Clearly delusional.  Go back to school

[bl4kjaguar]

Wait are you claiming US Govt is a for profit company?  Clearly delusional.  Go back to school

I am not claiming that. It is being claimed by Dun & Bradstreet; the company’s database contains information on more than 235 million companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dun_%26_Bradstreet

Go back and read the link I posted... and remember to do your own thinking this time.