why do people agree to pay taxes?

[NotLambchop]

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims.  That would be you

*But all kidding aside--how old are you?

[bl4kjaguar]

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims.  That would be you

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet. 
4) This is not extraordinary by any means.  

[bl4kjaguar]

I will gladly tell you that my age is of no importance, once you realize the seriousness of D&B's claim, and these four points:

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet.  
4) This is not extraordinary by any means.

 

[NotLambchop]

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Why do you make a presumption when you could just give us the proof?

The burden of proof is always on the one making extraordinary claims.  That would be you

1) D&B data is found on the manta.com website.
2) I found gov in the database of companies and
3) so have MANY other people on the internet.  
4) This is not extraordinary by any means.  

1) ...along with other data.  Duh./

You don't understand what that site is.  It's like yellow pages.  It lists businesses, government offices, you can find a police station if you're inclined.

Unless you feel that the majority of the people agree that US gov. is a privately held corporation, you are making what's termed as "extraordinary claim."

If you feel that the majority agrees with you, then you had no reason to bring it up.
Again, how old are you?  I would accuse you of pedantry, but I'm afraid the word might send you on another aspy tangent

[bl4kjaguar]

It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

[worle1bm]

It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

That's probably for the best. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[bl4kjaguar]

It's OK, we can end our discussion right here.

That's probably for the best. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

That's your opinion, but as far as our conversation, it ended here:

It's like you can't read

1) "Business" is a common street term.
2) Any entity listed in the business registry is a business; D&B's registry is "a database of companies".
3) The government is not operating under the constitutional laws because in all indictments and complaints they point to laws that lack the constitutional seal of authority.

I have seen the gov's entries in the business registry, and it is classified as a company. A nonconstitutional government is not a government at all. I have seen no disproof of my three points above.

[nomadcrypto]

I am unwatching this thread now.

[Tsquared]

How the hell did a discussion about taxes turn into this ridiculous debate?

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Government is not a business, though many feel that it would be more efficient if run like one. On the other hand, governments do own businesses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-owned_corporation

Not sure that the existence of government offices is a directory listing really means much of anything.

TT

[bl4kjaguar]

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Well, I for one do not think that D&B are liars; the gov on the other hand is full of liars.

And the current system of government is not operating under authority of the original Constitution.

I am not in receipt of any proof that gov agencies are nonprofit entities. All complaints or indictments today cite "laws" which bear no enacting clause, that is to say, they lack the seal of constitutional authority.

Many recognize that the legal system today does not follow constitutional law or the common law, as it once did, but is now operating under some other law.

Read more about Our Nonconstitutional Legal System; by its own actions, that "government" that you allege to be constitutional and lawful has no more authority over me than any other private company! If you are in a rush, you can read just the last page or two of that link.

[twiifm]

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Well, I for one do not think that D&B are liars; the gov on the other hand is full of liars.

And the current system of government is not operating under authority of the original Constitution.

I am not in receipt of any proof that gov agencies are nonprofit entities. All complaints or indictments today cite "laws" which bear no enacting clause, that is to say, they lack the seal of constitutional authority.

Many recognize that the legal system today does not follow constitutional law or the common law, as it once did, but is now operating under some other law.

Read more about Our Nonconstitutional Legal System; by its own actions, that "government" that you allege to be constitutional and lawful has no more authority over me than any other private company! If you are in a rush, you can read just the last page or two of that link.

I'm gonna have to invoke Poe's Law here.  Can't tell if this guy is serious or trolling

[bl4kjaguar]

The government of The United States of America is a government by name and definition, not a business.

Well, I for one do not think that D&B are liars; the gov on the other hand is full of liars.

And the current system of government is not operating under authority of the original Constitution.

I am not in receipt of any proof that gov agencies are nonprofit entities. All complaints or indictments today cite "laws" which bear no enacting clause, that is to say, they lack the seal of constitutional authority.

Many recognize that the legal system today does not follow constitutional law or the common law, as it once did, but is now operating under some other law.

Read more about Our Nonconstitutional Legal System; by its own actions, that "government" that you allege to be constitutional and lawful has no more authority over me than any other private company! If you are in a rush, you can read just the last page or two of that link.

I'm gonna have to invoke Poe's Law here.  Can't tell if this guy is serious or trolling

No need to attack me personally when I have linked you to the book "Authority of Law", containing the chapter Our Nonconstitutional Legal System. I am not really saying anything not mentioned in that book!

If you did not read it, it is your loss. You could have gotten a good understanding about "Authority of Law" and the present-day legal system after reading just the last two pages.  

But instead of seeking the understanding, you ignore what I say? OK, it is your loss for failing to educate yourself.

[btckold24]

I don't agree to pay taxes lol I am forced to. I try and do anything I can to pay less taxes as I assume every other american does.

[murraypaul]

2) Any entity listed in the business registry is a business;

So D&B are infallible? Are they the Pope?
If they listed God, would you then state that God must be a business?

[arbitrage001]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

Government has the gun and professional arm force to enforce the rules. Hard for civilian population to resist.

[xmasdobo]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

Government has the gun and professional arm force to enforce the rules. Hard for civilian population to resist.

We can't do nothing unless it's a global plan, otherwise dollar supremacy is strong no matter what.

[BitMos]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

Government has the gun and professional arm force to enforce the rules. Hard for civilian population to resist.

We can't do nothing unless it's a global plan, otherwise dollar supremacy is strong no matter what.

 I read global then plan... my answer is a 4 letters word + you... I mean it. Why? because if your wonderful plan fail it will be at a global scale. answer it s a no. sorry.

[cutesakura]

for funds from the tax payments on target I think everyone would be happy to pay the tax, such tax funds were used to build schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, transport and others, which often occurs in practice, the tax funds are often misused for personal benefit, tax funds from large corporations often reduced to personal interests as well
as long as there is no improvement of the system of tax funds received and used then the public will be reluctant to pay taxes, the extent of transparency of tax funds used will determine how much tax revenue the state ... 

[BitMos]

for funds from the tax payments on target I think everyone would be happy to pay the tax, such tax funds were used to build schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, transport and others, which often occurs in practice, the tax funds are often misused for personal benefit, tax funds from large corporations often reduced to personal interests as well
as long as there is no improvement of the system of tax funds received and used then the public will be reluctant to pay taxes, the extent of transparency of tax funds used will determine how much tax revenue the state ... 

I'm lovin public ledger for public spending...

[ScreamnShout]

for funds from the tax payments on target I think everyone would be happy to pay the tax, such tax funds were used to build schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, transport and others, which often occurs in practice, the tax funds are often misused for personal benefit, tax funds from large corporations often reduced to personal interests as well
as long as there is no improvement of the system of tax funds received and used then the public will be reluctant to pay taxes, the extent of transparency of tax funds used will determine how much tax revenue the state ... 

I'm lovin public ledger for public spending...

While you generally cannot find out who much was paid for by the government of individual items, you are able to find out how much specific projects cost as this is part of law/budget. You are also able to find out how much other things cost (that are more narrow then the budget level) via FOIA requests.