why do people agree to pay taxes?

[dinofelis]

Yep.  Suppose we're in the US and the median personal income is 40 000 USD/year.  Enter a politician which promises to tax the hell out of everyone with a personal income greater than 50 000 USD/year so that everyone else can enjoy free government.  We put this new policy to a vote.  56% of votes are for the policy with 44% against.  Great, now we have a new law passed in truly democratic fashion which allows the majority of people to live tax free with plenty of free government services.

Looks like France :-)

75% tax for the top earners, and removed the lower tax slice (reduced it to 0).

Only about 40% people in France pay income taxes.

[bitcoinmining]

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman  ).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary  

If Romania was a Northern Europe country then your comment would make sense.

Sorry guys, when he said 'beautiful women' my mind directly goes to Ukraine, Romania, Croatia and other Eastern countries  

I think the same about Northern girls; but the weather is so cold for living man! I think it's better to visit, meet&fuck, go back to your country  

[mindrust]

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman  ).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary  

If Romania was a Northern Europe country then your comment would make sense.

Sorry guys, when he said 'beautiful women' my mind directly goes to Ukraine, Romania, Croatia and other Eastern countries  

I think the same about Northern girls; but the weather is so cold for living man! I think it's better to visit, meet&fuck, go back to your country  

Sounds like sex tourism, Very good idea as long as you got money and not get AIDS

[Possum577]

the only reason this works is because the citizens are unorganized and unarmed.
if people gather in groups of tens of people to protect each other against the government there is no way they could throw anyone in jail.

I believe "groups of tens of people" could quite easily be taken over by the government.

[Possum577]

In the US people agree to pay taxes by voting for it, people WANT the taxes - the taxes pay for common services that the public and large wants to be provided.

You make it sound like the people don't have a choice, in the US they do. IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

[TheButterZone]

Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

[Erdogan]

Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

...and that important services are better supplied by uninterested people not in the market, but by coercion.

[bl4kjaguar]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

[opossum]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

[bl4kjaguar]

What are you talking about the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

That is purely hypothetical; I have seen no proof of that. We are probably not even talking about the same "government".

If you want to see what I am talking about, go read the last few pages of this thread and search for my posts. Study those links.

Then, you can try to refute the proof that I posted about the surpluses.

[botany]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

Liquidating assets is a short term solution to finance the deficit.
What would the government do when it has no more assets to sell?

[Nicolas Dorier]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

Liquidating assets is a short term solution to finance the deficit.
What would the government do when it has no more assets to sell?

Firing public workers... sorry just dreaming aloud.

[smoothie]

My answer: TO avoid seizing of my assets.

The lesser of two evils. Although if I had a choice to pay my taxes and not be penalized if I didn't, I would choose not to pay them in the way they are designed today.

I would use the older model of tax paying from prior to the income tax (before 1913 or so).

[picolo]

People pay taxes to create a good place for live (with services like hospital, police ecc.). But in many country this isn't possible. I would like to live in the North of Europe, where there is very civilization (and very beautiful woman  ).

Yes you're right Northern Europe's women are beautiful; but people don't gain what they deserve. When I was in Romania three years ago, it was devastating for me to learn that general practitioner doctor gains 800 Euro as a salary  

€800 Is not that bad. Try going to Bulgaria they are paying even less from what I heard.

People pay taxes because they are forced to and they support taxes because they are mistakenly thinking they will get back something positive from it or that it is necessary

[Possum577]

Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

You're cynical, it's ok, it's understandable. Government, more specifically politicians, give us a lot to be jaded about.

But, you're wrong (I say this with respect).

The system is driven by the vote. If we organized the ballot measure (which isn't hard) and the people voted for it the government would be legally required to enforce it.

How do you think the recreational use of marijuana becomes LEGAL in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, and Washington D.C.?

It's not a capital offense, it's the People's system. It's beautiful. It only has one flaw, people have to organize and vote for it.

[Possum577]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

Yeah, and then the government spends all that surplus and all services disappear. Come on, man, think further than two months down the road.

You must not realize that in the US currently the government only has until Dec. 12th of this year (that's like 5 days from today) of money left to cover the expenses of the services. After the 12th Congress has to authorize the access to more funds. And that surplus you mention is actually owed...it would be eliminated by the National debt.

[TheButterZone]

Good, you have bought into the illusion that our votes count, and not those who count the votes.

If voting could change anything for the better of everyone, it would be a capital offense.

You're cynical, it's ok, it's understandable. Government, more specifically politicians, give us a lot to be jaded about.

But, you're wrong (I say this with respect).

The system is driven by the vote. If we organized the ballot measure (which isn't hard) and the people voted for it the government would be legally required to enforce it.

How do you think the recreational use of marijuana becomes LEGAL in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, and Washington D.C.?

It's not a capital offense, it's the People's system. It's beautiful. It only has one flaw, people have to organize and vote for it.

Of course MJ was allowed to pass! The government can rake in fucktons of taxes from it, while still killing and maiming victimless criminals like Eric Garner who don't pay the piper. Elections are decided in the government's best interest, not peasants'. The only way to deny this is to claim implicit armed robbery and innocent bloodshed under color of law are doubleplusgood.

[worle1bm]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

Oh good, a bunch of amateur Austrians on a random internet forum have solved the fiduciary problems facing the government. Now solve cancer!

What a joke.

[bf4btc]

 IF the US voters assembled they could vote to have very little to no taxes, of course that would result in the disappearance of all services we have, which would lead to some chaos pretty quickly.

That is false.

The government has more than enough surpluses to eliminate taxation; this was mentioned and proven earlier in the thread.

What are you talking about the US government is spending several hundred million more then it is taking in via taxes every year. The government does have some assets but nowhere near enough to cover all of it's expenses over even a short period.

Liquidating assets is a short term solution to finance the deficit.
What would the government do when it has no more assets to sell?

There is nothing they can do. They would need to borrow money, but if they are not receiving any revenue via taxation then no one will lend to them (how would the lender ever get paid back)

[notbatman]

Because if for X reasons you lose your wealth and you become old and shit on your bedclothes, they can help you with the taxed money. It's called socialism aka common sense.

The banks get 99% of the tax money where special families who are above the law and can do whatever they please no matter what get to spend it on what ever they desire. Grandma's pension makes of 1/1000 of a % of the remainder.