why do people agree to pay taxes?

[bf4btc]

Because if for X reasons you lose your wealth and you become old and shit on your bedclothes, they can help you with the taxed money. It's called socialism aka common sense.

The banks get 99% of the tax money where special families who are above the law and can do whatever they please no matter what get to spend it on what ever they desire. Grandma's pension makes of 1/1000 of a % of the remainder.

The banks actually pay a lot of taxes and really do not get any tax money.

The majority of taxes are really nothing more then transfer payments that are designed to take from the successful and give to the lazy (aka "poor")

[NotLambchop]

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The majority of taxes are really nothing more then transfer payments that are designed to take from the successful and give to the lazy (aka "poor")

Exactly what the rich want, you mean.
You don't think that the lazy poor somehow managed to become the ruling elite in position to levy taxes, do you?

[picolo]

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The majority of taxes are really nothing more then transfer payments that are designed to take from the successful and give to the lazy (aka "poor")

Exactly what the rich want, you mean.
You don't think that the lazy poor somehow managed to become the ruling elite in position to levy taxes, do you?

Taxes are not used on poor, they are used on the cost of having a Big government and they profit the rich first.
You don't think people elected will help the poor, do you?

[cryptoforcause]

Taxes are extremely important for a country's economy i guess this is the major reason why people agree to pay taxes.

[picolo]

Taxes are extremely important for a country's economy i guess this is the major reason why people agree to pay taxes.

Taxes are a burden on the real Economy that produce wealth. They are usually mainly used for corruption, Big Government and useless spending. The politicians will tell the people they will give it back to them and people think they will have a net gain so they are in favor of higher taxes.

[Atdhe]

That is a big simplification. I avoid paying taxes as everyone, but if you do not mind go to some country where are very low taxes and it is not directly tax paradise benefiting from tax evasion and is not rich in natural resources. Like Paraguay, Somalia or even Bulgary.

Then you will have a problem not to destroy your car on unused roads and after you destroy it, you really do not want to go to hospital. Believe me. That is the other side than corruption, which is right as well. Taxes both support positive externalities and corruption.

But people do not pay taxes because they want want to support public projects, but because they are scared of penalties.

[picolo]

That is a big simplification. I avoid paying taxes as everyone, but if you do not mind go to some country where are very low taxes and it is not directly tax paradise benefiting from tax evasion and is not rich in natural resources. Like Paraguay, Somalia or even Bulgary.

Then you will have a problem not to destroy your car on unused roads and after you destroy it, you really do not want to go to hospital. Believe me. That is the other side than corruption, which is right as well. Taxes both support positive externalities and corruption.

But people do not pay taxes because they want want to support public projects, but because they are scared of penalties.

Singapore is an example of a developed country with lower taxes.

Developed countries became wealthy and grew when the taxes were very small.

[dlowings]

why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?
if enough armed people refused to pay and told the government to go fuck itself there is nothing they could do.

simple, the goverment like wolves pick off the sheep that are not running with an organized group .. They attack one at a time without desecration on who they target . Once they have demolished that person they hold him up as a spectacle for the rest of the group to see… It's called ruling by fear … We may not be a North Korea but most governments that claim to be civil are just a LOT better at how they carry their big stick of fear … If you look very closely you can see the level high of phycological warfare they have used to get what they want .. The US use to be the wild west, and the political folks stood up on stumps and preached "look at the lawlessness, we can help you" .. And over time, the wild west fell to the hand of politics… Our forefathers picked our evil . Man Vs. Man lawlessness, or Man Vs. The Political System … The Political system won out .. It is what it is, and we do our best to work within the confines of that system .

[Atdhe]

That is a big simplification. I avoid paying taxes as everyone, but if you do not mind go to some country where are very low taxes and it is not directly tax paradise benefiting from tax evasion and is not rich in natural resources. Like Paraguay, Somalia or even Bulgary.

Then you will have a problem not to destroy your car on unused roads and after you destroy it, you really do not want to go to hospital. Believe me. That is the other side than corruption, which is right as well. Taxes both support positive externalities and corruption.

But people do not pay taxes because they want want to support public projects, but because they are scared of penalties.

Singapore is an example of a developed country with lower taxes.

Developed countries became wealthy and grew when the taxes were very small.

Singapore is far from normal state. It is a city full of financial speculations and gate to SE Asia. Not everybody can be financial centre like Singapore or Switzerland (or London if it had independence). They proces transactions for other countries. The big part of economy is like a bank. World needs just few of those centres. With cc adoption maybe none.

[tjwebb]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

[TheButterZone]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

No, those who count the votes are the government. No, you are not free to legally leave most countries without being taxed out the ass. No, Somalia collects taxes.

[Amph]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

No, those who count the votes are the government. No, you are not free to legally leave most countries without being taxed out the ass. No, Somalia collects taxes.

then you should start your own country, like someone did, and makes it free for all

[picolo]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

You can vote but if you only have the choice between candidates of the system that lie to be elected and say they are different, it is hard to change the way things are.

[NotLambchop]

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No, those who count the votes are the government. No, you are not free to legally leave most countries without being taxed out the ass. No, Somalia collects taxes.

You can always go live under the sea...

[picolo]

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No, those who count the votes are the government. No, you are not free to legally leave most countries without being taxed out the ass. No, Somalia collects taxes.

You can always go live under the sea...

You can live before you make any money not to give away too much in taxes.

[Possum577]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

You can vote but if you only have the choice between candidates of the system that lie to be elected and say they are different, it is hard to change the way things are.

It is hard, but the advantage you have is that it's possible. All you need to do is rally people around one cause and make it happen.

If a million people, actually 1,000,000+ people, went to the capital building in DC demanding change...and DIDN'T leave with without change. Peaceful protest by EVERYONE, change would happen.

[WhatsBitcoin]

Curious to know, without going thru this whole thread, are there countries without taxes? Be interesting to hear about it if so.

[picolo]

> why is it ok for a group of people calling themselves the government to force everyone to buy their services?

If you are in a country that allows you to vote, then you are the government. In most countries, you are free to leave. You can go to a country that doesn't collect taxes. Somalia, for example.

You can vote but if you only have the choice between candidates of the system that lie to be elected and say they are different, it is hard to change the way things are.

It is hard, but the advantage you have is that it's possible. All you need to do is rally people around one cause and make it happen.

If a million people, actually 1,000,000+ people, went to the capital building in DC demanding change...and DIDN'T leave with without change. Peaceful protest by EVERYONE, change would happen.

But most people don't understand that the root cause of all evil, waste and tyranny is Big Government, they see the government is helping the most powerful but fail to stop thinking that they need it to be protected against the powerful.

[NotLambchop]

Curious to know, without going thru this whole thread, are there countries without taxes? Be interesting to hear about it if so.

In times of major upheavals.  Somalia had no taxes or gun control for a while.  Taxes are back, but I think you can still have as many AKs as you want.

[xmasdobo]

0 taxes always end up in unciviliced shitholes, same as way too many taxes.