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[huffdaddy5]

Yea doing some research and it does sound like everyone is moving past the 20nm and going with the 16nm FinFet. Spondoolies CEO already said they are skipping 20nm but it will be a while before they release the 16nm, because they have a new efficient 28nm coming out soon they say can compete with KNC's 16nm Solar and they also mentioned the price of the 16nm chips to be double that of 28nm and there manufacturing process is still not very mature meaning a higher likelihood of producing duds.

"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "

http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm

Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.

[Fatman3001]

Yea doing some research and it does sound like everyone is moving past the 20nm and going with the 16nm FinFet. Spondoolies CEO already said they are skipping 20nm but it will be a while before they release the 16nm, because they have a new efficient 28nm coming out soon they say can compete with KNC's 16nm Solar and they also mentioned the price of the 16nm chips to be double that of 28nm and there manufacturing process is still not very mature meaning a higher likelihood of producing duds.

"TSMC's 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. "

http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/16nm.htm

Doing the math of the higher speed and power saving if you equated that into what a current S4 (number of chips) offers you would have 3.3TH/s @ 420W = 0.12W/GH/s. With that kind of power saving you could produce 11TH/s @ 1400W.

sweeet...

[slastar]

So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.

[Fatman3001]

So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.

It depends on the Bitcoin price as well. The hash rate is a bit too high right now for the current price. Miners are struggling to both cover overhead and reinvest. And that's before they take out some money for themselves. If the price goes drastically up the increase will be higher than 500%. But we are already seeing that companies have to build new facilities rather than using old industrial estates, so that is a limiting factor. You can find a lot of closed down factories and warehouses, but the electricity needs to be dirt cheap and the local grid needs to be able to carry tens of MW to the facility. If you have to upgrade the local grid to utilize an existing location the price may quickly surpass that of simply building a custom facility where the grid already has surplus capacity. So then you have to convince your investors that you have to invest tens of millions to build this new facility to mine an asset whose price is notoriously unstable + the uncertainty of difficulty.

2015 will be an interesting year.

[cloverme]

It should be interesting to see what they do this year. We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon. The price of power keeps going up and difficulty is still too high, even with it leveling out a bit.  Bitmain is pretty awesome though

[ezeminer]

It should be interesting to see what they do this year. We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon. The price of power keeps going up and difficulty is still too high, even with it leveling out a bit.  Bitmain is pretty awesome though

Well some 16nm chips would be nice for the power consumption if they can half the current ghs/w to .3.

We just have to see if the companies will deliver that kind of stuff...

[slastar]

We all need more hashing power at a lower wattage and for a lower price, but I don't think we'll see that anytime soon.

Nope, we definitly dont need that. The more powerfull miners are the smaller pices of cake goes to small miners.

[picolo]

So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.

It all depends on how many new equipment arrives which depends to manufacturers and the price of BTC, it could be 100% more only if there is not a lot of new equipment available and the price of BTC doesn't go up but it could be up to 1000% or more with other circumstances.

[slastar]

So if 16FF+ is 5-6 times more efficient then 28HMP, we can expected 500% jump of difficulty until end of 2015.

It all depends on how many new equipment arrives which depends to manufacturers and the price of BTC, it could be 100% more only if there is not a lot of new equipment available and the price of BTC doesn't go up but it could be up to 1000% or more with other circumstances.

An increase of 500% which I assume refers to the situation that the price will not change. If the price increase difficulty jump far higher.
If new miners 16FF+ show up sooner or later they will replace all older miners. Look at Antminer S1, appeared a year ago and now can serve only as a heater because its profitability is below zero. The same fate awaits all current miners. If we want stay and mine  we all will have to replace our miners to newer model.

[durdur23]

I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."

I hope it is released before 12/31.

[FlyForFun]

I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."

I hope it is released before 12/31.

They said "soon" since last month...

[durdur23]

I contacted Bitmain for release date and they said "soon."

I hope it is released before 12/31.

They said "soon" since last month...

Oh, I didn't know that.
I personally have good faith in Bitmain, but I don't think there will be huge leap in S5.
Difficulty dropped for the first time in last two years and it seems that mining "arm race" are following the Moore's law, too.
I think that's why S5 release is being delayed and I suppose L1 is going through the same thing.

[mavericklm]

You guys dream and take numbers out of your ass
I say s5 is ready and is above 20nm process tehnology

[siampumpkin]

You guys dream and take numbers out of your ass
I say s5 is ready and is above 20nm process tehnology

Most companies are skipping 20nm because of cost and yield issues and going to 16nm or less FinFet chips like Spindoolies is doing. I imagine bitmain will do the same on their next generation of Asics.

[raskul]

friedcat just released BE300 chip specs for ASICMincers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888260.msg9794133#msg9794133

[Thenen]

friedcat just released BE300 chip specs for ASICMincers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888260.msg9794133#msg9794133

That is really awesome, but do we have to build our own miner with the chip?

[vortexz]

me:

I have heard rumors related to Antminer S5
Will it be released this year or maybe next year ?
Thank you


BitmainTech reply:

Hi,
It'll be released soon, pay attention to our official announcement later.

Best Regards

BITMAIN

[siampumpkin]

me:

I have heard rumors related to Antminer S5
Will it be released this year or maybe next year ?
Thank you


BitmainTech reply:

Hi,
It'll be released soon, pay attention to our official announcement later.

Best Regards

BITMAIN

later? Later this week, later this month, later next year? I wish they would be more specific! 

[SFMiner]

me:

I have heard rumors related to Antminer S5
Will it be released this year or maybe next year ?
Thank you


BitmainTech reply:

Hi,
It'll be released soon, pay attention to our official announcement later.

Best Regards

BITMAIN

Perfect - a few S5s will make a great Christmas present to myself!

[spazzdla]

me:

I have heard rumors related to Antminer S5
Will it be released this year or maybe next year ?
Thank you


BitmainTech reply:

Hi,
It'll be released soon, pay attention to our official announcement later.

Best Regards

BITMAIN

Perfect - a few S5s will make a great Christmas present to myself!

Exactly what I was thinking... Time to completely offload my S1's.  Although I will probably keep one for a peice of history for myself.