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[ingrownpocket]

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[bbit]

Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78407.0
Website link: http://www.bitcoinadvertisers.com/

Hello all,

I created this topic to talk about Bitcoinadvertisers.
And why? Because I've been fooled.

Lack of payments
I got 3 addresses on their website (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78407.msg893980#msg893980).
All 3 had pending payments.

I have sent PM to Andrew, sent support ticket on their website and replyed on their topic.

What did they say? Nothing.
What did they made? Clean my balance.

I got 0 bitcoin on those addresses and they did not say nothing about it.

And I'm not the only one. I hope more people like me reply here.

Bad "math"?
Now about the old "Fees earned" on their website.
Like stated here, they're lying about their earnings. Some time after that they removed that information from the website.


What's really making me mad is that they say nothing about this problems. They just keep the normal chat...

If you want to know, I had about 1 BTC on their website when they clean my balance. But it's not the amount that mathers here.

Funny, I was just going to post the same thing. I've never been paid on anything what is this  " Turn your website into a money making monster"  B.S ?   He needs to eliminate that as false advertising.

[giantdragon]

The same problem, still waiting about 1 BTC for Daily Bitcoins.

[tosku]

CoinAd, Giantdragon, bbit: Thank you for posting this. I've been considering putting up ads from BitcoinAdvertisers. I guess I will put that plan on hold for now.

Andrew: Would you care to elaborate on how they violated your TOS?

[giantdragon]

You violated our Terms Of Service and were banned.  A few people have tried to game the system and have been banned.

Please provide proof that I have cheated with banners on Daily Bitcoins!

[giantdragon]

No, we do not disclose TOS related issues in public.

What, what? May be court in Riga will be better place to discuss your TOS issues!?

[tysat]

@CoinAd
Were you ever told what you did to "violate the TOS"?  I'm guessing not after reading your post.

@Andrew Bitcoiner
If I'm correct and you didn't tell the people who "violated the TOS" what they had done wrong, then I'd say that's pretty close to being a scam.

[tosku]

OK, so it's a guessing game then. My guess is that you don't like how CoinAd has the text "Take this time to visit our sponsors ads." when the timer is ticking down. Daily Bitcoins has something similar, "Visit advertisers’ websites and increase your chances to get bigger prizes!". If I were an advertiser, I wouldn't like that either. However, the normal thing to do in such a situation is to contact the advertiser and notify him of the breach and what you think he should do, not just ban him and take his accumulated earnings.

[giantdragon]

CoinAd and giantdragon are both accused by their own users for scamming on competing advertising services.

Provide the references please!

[terrytibbs]

CoinAd and giantdragon are both accused by their own users for scamming on competing advertising services.

Provide the references please!

Weren't you involved in a similar situation the other day where you were on the other side of the table?

[drakahn]

Can anyone figure out which term they broke?

Are all users of the site breaking the same term?

Would it stand up in court?

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As it stands i would say stealing someones earned balance is indeed a scam.

[giantdragon]

Would it stand up in court?

I give almost 100% probability that Andrew Bitcoiner would lost in court if sued. But nobody will do this, because legal costs are much higher than stolen balance! One hope left that Andrew Bitcoiner thinks about his karma, but I doubt about this...

[Maged]

Any btc one time allocated for distribution to those bitcoin addresses you are list as your own were dispersed to a charity.

Bad call. Those should have been returned to the advertisers.

[freespirit]

A few people have tried to game the system and have been banned.

Well, I for one am pretty sure I have not "tried to game" anything. I do not have such habit (especially to gain just a few pennies). It's not even a money making matter for me, at least not yet as I've just thrown one of my lower traffic websites at BA to evaluate it as a monetization vehicle, to get some indication if it is time to shift some of my activities to bitcoin economy etc. (and so far it is much worse than AdSense for example, though it is expected as your system is new, has few competing advertisers, lacks targeting etc.)

Besides, the ads still show up on my website (and the advertisers obviously get charged for them), pageviews, clicks and revenue continue to flow on the stats page etc. I.e. no indication that I have been "banned" whatsoever.

I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions, call anyone a scammer etc.
And if you consider me a scammer can I at least have a courtesy of being told so? Thank you.

[bbit]

I'm just here to collect some bitcoin because supposedly this is way to to "turn your website into a money making monster"  and I haven't seen one penny yet ? How does one even see how much you've made ?

[giantdragon]

I have some suspicions that BitcoinAdvertisers is based on a pyramid (Ponzi) scheme, where payments for old partners are taken from new ones. Operator sees that he don't have enough funds to pay and intending to increase lifespan of his pyramid just declines payouts to some affiliates, citing his TOS. Another argument in favor of this version is increasing promised payout per visitor to 24.75 mBTC from about 10 just in few days.

[Coinbuck @ BTCLot]

Let's get this clear, BitcoinAdvertisers is a scam.

I've been following this with CoinAd administrator and the behavior is very strange. First the payment was delayed and he wasn't banned at all since the advertisements were still allowed to publish and to manage the main account until CoinAd administrator has decided to removed the ads due to non-payment from BitcoinAdvertisers admin. Now Andrew claims CoinAd violated the ToS without responding what closure did CoinAd violated (acording to my investigation none, the website was under the ToS on that time (wouldn't be now if he changed the ToS without prior notice)).

I'm afraid the operator doesn't have enough funds to pay, classic pyramid scheme. Until this situation gets resolved to both parts I do not recommend you (reader) to use BitcoinAdvertisers or any other service provided by Andrew.

Regards,
coinbuck - BTCLot.com Administrator

[drakahn]

I don't know about that ponzi bit, surely the advertisers are the ones paying for the site to run. - never looked too much into it because I'm months from launching any sites, the bad maths on the fee's and the way they are treating a complaint has me concerned (even if they are right, they are not acting it)

Trying to skim some extra profit by kicking off a few perceptively easy targets, is easy to fathom, pick on anything that could class as competition and anything with a slight reason that you can argue and not look too bad, worst case scenario is you say sorry and give everyone their dues (total loss of respect but no real loss in coins), best case scenario no one fights and you can keep doing it (gain in coins and invincible feelings)

This reminds me of an old isp i was with, the plan was unlimited* and at first they cancelled the highest using users half way through the billing month monthly (it was in the ToS at least, i never got kicked off) and then they changed to unlimited* up to 20gb, not that they got away with it, every complaint to the TiO here means a fine for the isp, and eventually unlimited became unlimited (ahem, unless you count speed limits lol)

not that i know anything thats not in the thread, so yeah

[freespirit]

Well, looks like BitcoinAdvertisers is pickier than Google Turns out the website I was running their ads on was banned as it is not good enough for BA. (although I was never informed of this until I started posting in BA's topic and PMed Andrew, my earlier inquiry via support form was ignored, ads are still running and advertisers are still obviously paying for them - but not to me ) Will be taking the ads shortly. (to actually implement the ban for the sake of advertisers LOL)

[tysat]

@Andrew Bitcoiner
If I'm correct and you didn't tell the people who "violated the TOS" what they had done wrong, then I'd say that's pretty close to being a scam.

tysat, I would appreciate it if you realize that both these users run competing advertising services and read their comments to understand that by spreading FUD they are acting in their own self-interests. 

If you read BitcoinAdvertisers.com TOS it is very clear that users have a limited license to use the service and that it may be revoked at any time for any reason.  Given that I already commented that TOS disputes are private and said all I am willing to release in the main topic for my service.

I will end this by saying that I have no additional comment on their dispute but I will refer to you the threads in their own post history where CoinAd and giantdragon are both accused by their own users for scamming on competing advertising services.

I doubt you'll read or respond to this, but.....

TOS it is very clear that users have a limited license to use the service and that it may be revoked at any time for any reason.

Revoking service is a lot different than taking money they were owed.  Still sounds like you didn't tell them what they had done against your TOS.