Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated

[Coef]

I dont think any of the big websites would do that now, they dont need to. Look at just dice the guy lost 7k btc in one bet, is there any worse promotion for the site? haha

7k btc in one bet? unbelievable

There is no maximum bet amount on PD? Anyway why people are bumping up this old thread that made in last year?

Over 2,000 BTC paid, that's really a lot, thousands of BTC could actually break any company.

No idea why the thread was bumped, but thanks to it, we finally get a confirm from Stunna that Hufflepuff exploited PD to make the 2000 btc profit.

[zcxvbs]

Just watched the videos, that really did shock me, that was the truly way to make money, also surprised PD survived after these payouts.

[dooglus]

Look at just dice the guy lost 7k btc in one bet

There is no maximum bet amount on PD?

The 7k btc thing happened at just-dice where there was no max profit

There's always a max profit. You can't survive if you risk your whole bankroll on a single bet.

The max profit at Just-Dice was around 210 BTC at the time, or 0.5% of the entire bankroll.

The big losing bet risked 7016.28891331 BTC at 96.2%, aiming to make a profit of 204.2163 BTC.

Edit: he rolled 03.5475, and needed 03.8000 or higher to win, so it was close.

[Hazir]

That is more than a quarter million dollars..  

7k btc once were more than 7 million dollars :S

This amount of money is maybe shockingly big for someone familiar only with low rolls and playing online with fractures of bitcoin. But even in bitcoins gambling the are people for whom it is just not that much. And if cou compare any FIAT monyy casino and all if you check bets in Las Vegas, Reno or some known place like that, people who play there are loosing daily much money than that. Cryptocurrencies casino market is just at an early stage of development as of yet.

[hdd3go]

Look at just dice the guy lost 7k btc in one bet

There is no maximum bet amount on PD?

The 7k btc thing happened at just-dice where there was no max profit

There's always a max profit. You can't survive if you risk your whole bankroll on a single bet.

The max profit at Just-Dice was around 210 BTC at the time, or 0.5% of the entire bankroll.

The big losing bet risked 7016.28891331 BTC at 96.2%, aiming to make a profit of 204.2163 BTC.

Edit: he rolled 03.5475, and needed 03.8000 or higher to win, so it was close.

Winning 200 BTC from 7k BTC is easy, all I can say is this guy is really out of luck. BTW, when this big loss happened?

[dooglus]

7k btc once were more than 7 million dollars :S

This amount of money is maybe shockingly big for someone familiar only with low rolls and playing online with fractures of bitcoin. But even in bitcoins gambling the are people for whom it is just not that much. And if cou compare any FIAT monyy casino and all if you check bets in Las Vegas, Reno or some known place like that, people who play there are loosing daily much money than that. Cryptocurrencies casino market is just at an early stage of development as of yet.

According to caesars.com, the biggest bet the Golden Gate ever took was either $125k or $250k (it's really unclear from that page). So it seems unlikely that every fiat money casino has any players who are losing more than $7 million daily.

[dooglus]

Winning 200 BTC from 7k BTC is easy, all I can say is this guy is really out of luck. BTW, when this big loss happened?

In isolation it may look like he was lucky, but it reality he made 27 big bets in a row, and had already said he was going to keep playing until he lost. So it's not all that unlucky at all when you see it that way - it was arguably inevitable.

Here are the 27 bets, with timestamps (UTC):

2013-10-02 07:34:43 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:19.0776 profit:  134.48490980 bal:1902.00078649 total profit:  134.48478460
2013-10-02 07:34:53 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:12.2165 profit:  134.48490980 bal:2036.48569629 total profit:  268.96969440
2013-10-02 07:35:39 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:73.9495 profit:  134.48490980 bal:2170.97060609 total profit:  403.45460420
2013-10-02 07:42:12 2170.97057849 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:60.4122 profit:  165.18255156 bal:2336.15313005 total profit:  568.63712816
2013-10-02 07:43:30 2336.15313005 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:79.5807 profit:  177.75078975 bal:2513.90391980 total profit:  746.38791791
2013-10-02 07:48:30 2513.90372740 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:52.1169 profit:  191.27529235 bal:2705.17901975 total profit:  937.66301786
2013-10-02 07:49:13 2513.90372740 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:93.7250 profit:  191.27529235 bal:2896.45431210 total profit: 1128.93831021
2013-10-02 07:51:02 2896.45431590 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:57.2928 profit:  220.38240367 bal:3116.83671957 total profit: 1349.32071768
2013-10-02 08:01:57 3116.83674877 BTC @ 93%    hi: lucky:92.4414 profit:  201.08624487 bal:3317.92299364 total profit: 1550.40699175
2013-10-02 08:12:54 3317.92314519 BTC @ 93%    hi: lucky:82.9679 profit:  214.05956096 bal:3531.98270615 total profit: 1764.46670426
2013-10-02 08:19:29 3533.97982021 BTC @ 95%    hi: lucky:45.0747 profit:  148.79913916 bal:3682.77895937 total profit: 1915.26295748
2013-10-02 08:21:04 3682.77897204 BTC @ 95%    hi: lucky:56.5205 profit:  155.06436614 bal:3837.84333818 total profit: 2070.32733629
2013-10-03 22:16:36 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.01% hi: lucky:41.2406 profit:  247.74957520 bal:4094.69231338 total profit: 2318.07691149
2013-10-03 22:16:56 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.03% hi: lucky:90.6891 profit:  246.86927929 bal:4341.56159267 total profit: 2564.94619078
2013-10-03 22:17:12 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.09% hi: lucky:78.7297 profit:  244.23066127 bal:4585.79225394 total profit: 2809.17685205
2013-10-03 22:17:36 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.2%  hi: lucky:33.1190 profit:  239.40201721 bal:4825.19427115 total profit: 3048.57886926
2013-10-03 22:21:15 4825.19427115 BTC @ 94.3%  hi: lucky:40.0573 profit:  240.49216990 bal:5065.68644105 total profit: 3289.07103916
2013-10-03 22:24:13 5065.68648587 BTC @ 94.55% hi: lucky:17.7951 profit:  238.41673708 bal:5304.10322295 total profit: 3527.48782106
2013-10-03 22:27:04 5304.10330755 BTC @ 95.09% hi: lucky:05.4491 profit:  218.09910565 bal:5522.20241320 total profit: 3745.58701131
2013-10-04 05:01:01 5519.94840009 BTC @ 95.21% hi: lucky:97.9878 profit:  219.73115077 bal:5739.67955086 total profit: 3965.31812092
2013-10-04 05:01:05 5519.94840009 BTC @ 95.21% hi: lucky:59.0951 profit:  219.73115077 bal:5959.41070163 total profit: 4185.04927169
2013-10-04 05:02:56 5959.41068558 BTC @ 95.51% hi: lucky:26.6702 profit:  217.76091885 bal:6177.17160443 total profit: 4402.81017449
2013-10-04 05:04:58 6177.17161758 BTC @ 95.71% hi: lucky:47.1520 profit:  212.33823588 bal:6389.50985346 total profit: 4615.14842352
2013-10-04 05:08:04 6389.50987008 BTC @ 95.81% hi: lucky:98.4443 profit:  212.73911449 bal:6602.24898457 total profit: 4827.88755463
2013-10-04 05:11:39 6602.24886053 BTC @ 95.95% hi: lucky:34.1439 profit:  209.86825940 bal:6812.11711993 total profit: 5037.75568999
2013-10-04 05:14:24 6812.11702310 BTC @ 96.04% hi: lucky:09.6031 profit:  209.95278458 bal:7022.06980768 total profit: 5247.70837774
2013-10-04 07:22:09 7016.28891331 BTC @ 96.2%  hi: lucky:03.5475 profit:-7016.28891331 bal:   0.00000000 total profit:-1768.58056457

[omahapoker]

that how my bets with clam will look like in 2 months

[98problems]

that how my bets with clam will look like in 2 months

what do you mean youre going to be a millionaire?

[Berau]

2013-10-04 07:22:09 7016.28891331 BTC @ 96.2%  hi: lucky:03.5475 profit:-7016.28891331 bal:   0.00000000 total profit:-1768.58056457

Why is the profit -1768.58056457 but not -7016.28891331?

Unlucky dude btw.

[fox19891989]

Winning 200 BTC from 7k BTC is easy, all I can say is this guy is really out of luck. BTW, when this big loss happened?

In isolation it may look like he was lucky, but it reality he made 27 big bets in a row, and had already said he was going to keep playing until he lost. So it's not all that unlucky at all when you see it that way - it was arguably inevitable.

Here are the 27 bets, with timestamps (UTC):

2013-10-02 07:34:43 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:19.0776 profit:  134.48490980 bal:1902.00078649 total profit:  134.48478460
2013-10-02 07:34:53 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:12.2165 profit:  134.48490980 bal:2036.48569629 total profit:  268.96969440
2013-10-02 07:35:39 1767.51587669 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:73.9495 profit:  134.48490980 bal:2170.97060609 total profit:  403.45460420
2013-10-02 07:42:12 2170.97057849 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:60.4122 profit:  165.18255156 bal:2336.15313005 total profit:  568.63712816
2013-10-02 07:43:30 2336.15313005 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:79.5807 profit:  177.75078975 bal:2513.90391980 total profit:  746.38791791
2013-10-02 07:48:30 2513.90372740 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:52.1169 profit:  191.27529235 bal:2705.17901975 total profit:  937.66301786
2013-10-02 07:49:13 2513.90372740 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:93.7250 profit:  191.27529235 bal:2896.45431210 total profit: 1128.93831021
2013-10-02 07:51:02 2896.45431590 BTC @ 92%    hi: lucky:57.2928 profit:  220.38240367 bal:3116.83671957 total profit: 1349.32071768
2013-10-02 08:01:57 3116.83674877 BTC @ 93%    hi: lucky:92.4414 profit:  201.08624487 bal:3317.92299364 total profit: 1550.40699175
2013-10-02 08:12:54 3317.92314519 BTC @ 93%    hi: lucky:82.9679 profit:  214.05956096 bal:3531.98270615 total profit: 1764.46670426
2013-10-02 08:19:29 3533.97982021 BTC @ 95%    hi: lucky:45.0747 profit:  148.79913916 bal:3682.77895937 total profit: 1915.26295748
2013-10-02 08:21:04 3682.77897204 BTC @ 95%    hi: lucky:56.5205 profit:  155.06436614 bal:3837.84333818 total profit: 2070.32733629
2013-10-03 22:16:36 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.01% hi: lucky:41.2406 profit:  247.74957520 bal:4094.69231338 total profit: 2318.07691149
2013-10-03 22:16:56 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.03% hi: lucky:90.6891 profit:  246.86927929 bal:4341.56159267 total profit: 2564.94619078
2013-10-03 22:17:12 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.09% hi: lucky:78.7297 profit:  244.23066127 bal:4585.79225394 total profit: 2809.17685205
2013-10-03 22:17:36 3846.94273818 BTC @ 93.2%  hi: lucky:33.1190 profit:  239.40201721 bal:4825.19427115 total profit: 3048.57886926
2013-10-03 22:21:15 4825.19427115 BTC @ 94.3%  hi: lucky:40.0573 profit:  240.49216990 bal:5065.68644105 total profit: 3289.07103916
2013-10-03 22:24:13 5065.68648587 BTC @ 94.55% hi: lucky:17.7951 profit:  238.41673708 bal:5304.10322295 total profit: 3527.48782106
2013-10-03 22:27:04 5304.10330755 BTC @ 95.09% hi: lucky:05.4491 profit:  218.09910565 bal:5522.20241320 total profit: 3745.58701131
2013-10-04 05:01:01 5519.94840009 BTC @ 95.21% hi: lucky:97.9878 profit:  219.73115077 bal:5739.67955086 total profit: 3965.31812092
2013-10-04 05:01:05 5519.94840009 BTC @ 95.21% hi: lucky:59.0951 profit:  219.73115077 bal:5959.41070163 total profit: 4185.04927169
2013-10-04 05:02:56 5959.41068558 BTC @ 95.51% hi: lucky:26.6702 profit:  217.76091885 bal:6177.17160443 total profit: 4402.81017449
2013-10-04 05:04:58 6177.17161758 BTC @ 95.71% hi: lucky:47.1520 profit:  212.33823588 bal:6389.50985346 total profit: 4615.14842352
2013-10-04 05:08:04 6389.50987008 BTC @ 95.81% hi: lucky:98.4443 profit:  212.73911449 bal:6602.24898457 total profit: 4827.88755463
2013-10-04 05:11:39 6602.24886053 BTC @ 95.95% hi: lucky:34.1439 profit:  209.86825940 bal:6812.11711993 total profit: 5037.75568999
2013-10-04 05:14:24 6812.11702310 BTC @ 96.04% hi: lucky:09.6031 profit:  209.95278458 bal:7022.06980768 total profit: 5247.70837774
2013-10-04 07:22:09 7016.28891331 BTC @ 96.2%  hi: lucky:03.5475 profit:-7016.28891331 bal:   0.00000000 total profit:-1768.58056457

Ouch, it's awesome, 200btc to 7K btc, but his greed killed him.

Why he was not satisfied with 7k btc? If I was him, I would withdraw 5K btc and bought house, Ferrari, lol, damn happy life with beautiful girls. 

[Berau]

One thing is interesting and worth pointing out is he made the bets over a period of 3 days.

Most gamblers waste it in a day, maximum.

[Bit_Happy]

I never saw this thread before. That "huge amount of luck" was more likely than at other casinos, due to the low house edge.
Hopefully Stunna was able to fully recover.

Edit: He lost it all back!
Really?
Oops....

[dooglus]

2013-10-04 07:22:09 7016.28891331 BTC @ 96.2%  hi: lucky:03.5475 profit:-7016.28891331 bal:   0.00000000 total profit:-1768.58056457

Why is the profit -1768.58056457 but not -7016.28891331?

Unlucky dude btw.

"profit" is the profit per bet, "total profit" is the cumulative profit on the account. The final cumulative profit is -1768, because 1768 is what he started with, and that's his net loss.

Ouch, it's awesome, 200btc to 7K btc, but his greed killed him.

Why he was not satisfied with 7k btc? If I was him, I would withdraw 5K btc and bought house, Ferrari, lol, damn happy life with beautiful girls. 

2000, not 200.

There's a longer story behind the bets. He was mad that nakowa had been winning so much which he was invested. He tried to withdraw but withdrew to the wrong address - and address that corresponded to a paper wallet - that he had thrown in the trash earlier. So he had to search through a dumpster to find the paper wallet. He found it after hours of searching, came back online, deposited it, then those bets happened. I guess those hours in the dumpster changed something in him...

See http://privatepaste.com/b70746cf56 for more details, in chat log form.

One thing is interesting and worth pointing out is he made the bets over a period of 3 days.

I also omitted a whole lot of 'dust bets' between those 27 bets. He was pre-rolling a lot.

I never saw this thread before. That "huge amount of luck" was more likely than at other casinos, due to the low house edge.
Hopefully Stunna was able to fully recover.

PrimeDice has a 1% house edge, the same as pretty much all the other crypto casinos. And he wasn't lucky, he was cheating. He knew is seed, so could see his rolls before betting. He was smart enough to make it look like he was just getting very lucky, because he would go through losing and winning streaks, but really it was all just a show. If he had just won and won it would have been too obvious.

Edit: He lost it all back!
Really?
Oops....

I've been posting about the guy who lost a 7k BTC bet on Just-Dice. That's unrelated to the Hufflepuff incident, and really offtopic. Sorry.

[yakuza699]

OK I scrolled a bit through all of the topics pages but I haven't really found out how huff was able to retrieve the seeds before the bet.All I found is that it was some kind of "race" between accounts since he got the same seed on both of them (I don't remember exactly since stunna edited his posts) and it was more of my understanding how he did it.So can stunna or someone who investigated more explain with more details on how he performed the attack.

[abyrnes81]

OK I scrolled a bit through all of the topics pages but I haven't really found out how huff was able to retrieve the seeds before the bet.All I found is that it was some kind of "race" between accounts since he got the same seed on both of them (I don't remember exactly since stunna edited his posts) and it was more of my understanding how he did it.So can stunna or someone who investigated more explain with more details on how he performed the attack.

I'm trying to check all the addresses and I started from this :  14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNp   (thanks again stunna).  It is difficult to trace all the addresses, maybe someone can help me. However, for the question of the seed : race between accounts? Can someone explaine better?

[yakuza699]

I'm trying to check all the addresses and I started from this :  14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNp   (thanks again stunna).  It is difficult to trace all the addresses, maybe someone can help me. However, for the question of the seed : race between accounts? Can someone explaine better?

Why are you even bothering?They are lost anyways.They are likely sitting in someone else's pocket anyways.And I am not interested in who's.I am only interested in the exploit itself and again it was just my understanding.

[abyrnes81]

I'm trying to check all the addresses and I started from this :  14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNp   (thanks again stunna).  It is difficult to trace all the addresses, maybe someone can help me. However, for the question of the seed : race between accounts? Can someone explaine better?

Why are you even bothering?They are lost anyways.They are likely sitting in someone else's pocket anyways.And I am not interested in who's.I am only interested in the exploit itself and again it was just my understanding.

I'm curious and also interested to know the exploit, but maybe stunna can't reveal it because it will be possible to use it on other dice site. I know the bitcoin is lost "for ever" but maybe we can trace the addresses.

[yakuza699]

I'm curious and also interested to know the exploit, but maybe stunna can't reveal it because it will be possible to use it on other dice site.

I am almost sure that if there would be any other dice site that would also be vulnerable to this our huff would also attack the other site.

I know the bitcoin is lost "for ever" but maybe we can trace the addresses.

So?Then what?What is the point of doing it?Will you blackmail him to return the coins to stunna?Keep in mind that these coins might now be sitting in someone else's wallet.

[abyrnes81]

I'm curious and also interested to know the exploit, but maybe stunna can't reveal it because it will be possible to use it on other dice site.

I am almost sure that if there would be any other dice site that would also be vulnerable to this our huff would also attack the other site.

I know the bitcoin is lost "for ever" but maybe we can trace the addresses.

So?Then what?What is the point of doing it?Will you blackmail him to return the coins to stunna?Keep in mind that these coins might now be sitting in someone else's wallet.

No of course, I am only curious to know where those bitcoins has been moved (during those days). Why should I blackmail ? It is not his fault, he was a "genius" and he "stole" 2k bitcoin.