Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated

[arallmuus]

there's no proof HP cheated

Yes , Some People could not accept this reality but could accept 32 loss in a row at 49% easily .

If dice was heavy skill based game, and you can decide yourself (even a little) whether you win or lose  I would probably believe that he could won that much because he is godly player and he is exceptionally skilled in dice. But dice is just simple luck game and there are not much of tactic or skill involved. So there is no way he done that without cheating the system.

There are two points

1 - stunna haven't enough tolerance for losing so money from his site and cleans up so much profits by various excuses .

2 - there was a really cheating process

In option 2 there is some problems :

a. we haven't any proof for this except some pictures or videos that show someone has high chance .

b. if Robbinhood could find seeds , why stunna couldn't do that and manipulate our bets ?

Either of these events , stunna is loser , in option a stunna cleaned up robbinhood's profit for no reason and in option b stuuna gonna be unreliable


.

1. It is wrong

2. It is completely wrong

for Option 1 :

PrimeDice has been running for quite a long time and it is trusted, Stunna give a lot of giveaway for the user for each billionth bet, which you can find on other dice site.
Losing 2k+ BTC of course will make the house bleed, but it will not be enough to bankrupt the house since the PrimeDice is still up and running without any heavy issue as of now

for Option 2a :

Yes there is no conclusive proof from stunna yet but apart from his statement that hufflepuff =robinhood = cheater, we can already know that indeed hufflepuff cheated on the site, although Stunna will be posting conclusive evidence soon, but "soon" can means quite some times for stunna

for Option 2b :

What do you mean by Stunna to manipulate our bet and find the seed? Stunna owns PrimeDice and he knows the house seed
If stunna will manipulate our bet, it can be easily proven since the site implement a provably fair system , you can easily tell if PD manipulate each of our roll just like 999dice did.

[leen93]

there's no proof HP cheated

Yes , Some People could not accept this reality but could accept 32 loss in a row at 49% easily .

If dice was heavy skill based game, and you can decide yourself (even a little) whether you win or lose  I would probably believe that he could won that much because he is godly player and he is exceptionally skilled in dice. But dice is just simple luck game and there are not much of tactic or skill involved. So there is no way he done that without cheating the system.

There are two points

1 - stunna haven't enough tolerance for losing so money from his site and cleans up so much profits by various excuses .

2 - there was a really cheating process

In option 2 there is some problems :

a. we haven't any proof for this except some pictures or videos that show someone has high chance .

b. if Robbinhood could find seeds , why stunna couldn't do that and manipulate our bets ?

Either of these events , stunna is loser , in option a stunna cleaned up robbinhood's profit for no reason and in option b stuuna gonna be unreliable


.

1. It is wrong

2. It is completely wrong

for Option 1 :

PrimeDice has been running for quite a long time and it is trusted, Stunna give a lot of giveaway for the user for each billionth bet, which you can find on other dice site.
Losing 2k+ BTC of course will make the house bleed, but it will not be enough to bankrupt the house since the PrimeDice is still up and running without any heavy issue as of now

for Option 2a :

Yes there is no conclusive proof from stunna yet but apart from his statement that hufflepuff =robinhood = cheater, we can already know that indeed hufflepuff cheated on the site, although Stunna will be posting conclusive evidence soon, but "soon" can means quite some times for stunna

for Option 2b :

What do you mean by Stunna to manipulate our bet and find the seed? Stunna owns PrimeDice and he knows the house seed
If stunna will manipulate our bet, it can be easily proven since the site implement a provably fair system , you can easily tell if PD manipulate each of our roll just like 999dice did.

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

[arallmuus]

there's no proof HP cheated

Yes , Some People could not accept this reality but could accept 32 loss in a row at 49% easily .

If dice was heavy skill based game, and you can decide yourself (even a little) whether you win or lose  I would probably believe that he could won that much because he is godly player and he is exceptionally skilled in dice. But dice is just simple luck game and there are not much of tactic or skill involved. So there is no way he done that without cheating the system.

There are two points

1 - stunna haven't enough tolerance for losing so money from his site and cleans up so much profits by various excuses .

2 - there was a really cheating process

In option 2 there is some problems :

a. we haven't any proof for this except some pictures or videos that show someone has high chance .

b. if Robbinhood could find seeds , why stunna couldn't do that and manipulate our bets ?

Either of these events , stunna is loser , in option a stunna cleaned up robbinhood's profit for no reason and in option b stuuna gonna be unreliable


.

1. It is wrong

2. It is completely wrong

for Option 1 :

PrimeDice has been running for quite a long time and it is trusted, Stunna give a lot of giveaway for the user for each billionth bet, which you can find on other dice site.
Losing 2k+ BTC of course will make the house bleed, but it will not be enough to bankrupt the house since the PrimeDice is still up and running without any heavy issue as of now

for Option 2a :

Yes there is no conclusive proof from stunna yet but apart from his statement that hufflepuff =robinhood = cheater, we can already know that indeed hufflepuff cheated on the site, although Stunna will be posting conclusive evidence soon, but "soon" can means quite some times for stunna

for Option 2b :

What do you mean by Stunna to manipulate our bet and find the seed? Stunna owns PrimeDice and he knows the house seed
If stunna will manipulate our bet, it can be easily proven since the site implement a provably fair system , you can easily tell if PD manipulate each of our roll just like 999dice did.

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

That wouldnt be the option for this, there will be two options for stunna

1. Post up the evidence and how did the exploit was done so that the whole community can know how it is done
2. Seal up evidence and how it is done from the public

I believe stunna has proven how he cheated, it is just a matter of decision wether he will spit it out to the public or not and of course winning a lottery is posibble, but winning in a dice sites with 100+ streak , 49.5 % chance, and by switching high and low wouldnt be consider as lucky

[dooglus]

a. we haven't any proof for this except some pictures or videos that show someone has high chance .

b. if Robbinhood could find seeds , why stunna couldn't do that and manipulate our bets ?

Either of these events , stunna is loser , in option a stunna cleaned up robbinhood's profit for no reason and in option b stuuna gonna be unreliable

You seem confused about how things work.

Stunna paid HufflePuff over 2000 BTC already. He has nothing to gain by announcing the HufflePuff was cheating. It would look great for the site if someone actually won over 2000 BTC fairly and got paid out. It would give other plays hope that they could do the same. Announcing that the biggest ever winning did his winning by cheating doesn't help Stunna or the site at all, and so it is very likely true.

Stunna of course can see everyone's seeds. He can't manipulate your bets due to the way that the site's provably fair algorithm works. If he tried, he could be caught, and publicly outed. It's not worth the risk. The only real risk is that he could make an account and play on it knowing the seeds, and use the seeds to win. But he would only be winning from himself (and his private investors, assuming he has any). It's not a concern for players.

[dooglus]

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

Winning the lottery is something like a 1 in a 100 million chance, give or take. You're unlikely to win, but someone in your country will probably win each week.

Winning 100 50/50 bets in a row however is a 1 in a million trillion trillion chance. That's a 1 with 30 zeroes after it. You're unlikely to do it, and so is anyone in the whole world even if they each try once per second for a trillion years.

Winning the lottery is 1-with-8-zeroes hard,
Winning 100 coin tosses in a row is 1-with-30-zeroes impossible.

See the difference?

[duckydonald]

there's no proof HP cheated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSLXv5Tz1ZY


Watch this and think about how much luck one man can have in his life   Even Jason Statham in Wild Card didn't have that much luck in a Hollywood movie.

I sas this and i got lucky with low bets like this, again no proof to Stunna and all dice ops that cant prove it

[Monopoly]

Stunna of course can see everyone's seeds. He can't manipulate your bets due to the way that the site's provably fair algorithm works. If he tried, he could be caught, and publicly outed. It's not worth the risk. The only real risk is that he could make an account and play on it knowing the seeds, and use the seeds to win. But he would only be winning from himself (and his private investors, assuming he has any). It's not a concern for players.

I am not a negativity person but suppose you do it right now . It means you can empty all of invested Clams in Just-Dice ?

[sherbyspark]

Stunna of course can see everyone's seeds. He can't manipulate your bets due to the way that the site's provably fair algorithm works. If he tried, he could be caught, and publicly outed. It's not worth the risk. The only real risk is that he could make an account and play on it knowing the seeds, and use the seeds to win. But he would only be winning from himself (and his private investors, assuming he has any). It's not a concern for players.

I am not a negativity person but suppose you do it right now . It means you can empty all of invested Clams in Just-Dice ?

Yes, he can, and so can anyone who runs an investment site. Investors just have to trust them with it. I won't actually be surprised in any of the site owners actually do this. Its almost impossible to say with confidence, that someone is not doing it.
But I suppose investors understand this risk before investing.

[arallmuus]

Stunna of course can see everyone's seeds. He can't manipulate your bets due to the way that the site's provably fair algorithm works. If he tried, he could be caught, and publicly outed. It's not worth the risk. The only real risk is that he could make an account and play on it knowing the seeds, and use the seeds to win. But he would only be winning from himself (and his private investors, assuming he has any). It's not a concern for players.

I am not a negativity person but suppose you do it right now . It means you can empty all of invested Clams in Just-Dice ?

Yes he can and so does the other site owner with the investment feature, they can play smartly and win from his own sites, because they know the seeds, this is a method use by hufflepuff to predict the next roll.
Although dooglus would not ruin his sites reputation by doing this .

[sherbyspark]

Although dooglus would not ruin his sites reputation by doing this .

Not that I intend to question anyone, but even if any of the site operator did, they would do it in a way to generate themselves a good steady income, and would do it undetected. So there is actually almost no way to figure it out .

[leen93]

Stunna of course can see everyone's seeds. He can't manipulate your bets due to the way that the site's provably fair algorithm works. If he tried, he could be caught, and publicly outed. It's not worth the risk. The only real risk is that he could make an account and play on it knowing the seeds, and use the seeds to win. But he would only be winning from himself (and his private investors, assuming he has any). It's not a concern for players.

I am not a negativity person but suppose you do it right now . It means you can empty all of invested Clams in Just-Dice ?

Yes he can and so does the other site owner with the investment feature, they can play smartly and win from his own sites, because they know the seeds, this is a method use by hufflepuff to predict the next roll.
Although dooglus would not ruin his sites reputation by doing this .

he wouldn't ruin his site reputation by doing this... If he hides it more nobody will ever know. Maybe he did it already, nobody except dooglus knows that...

[leen93]

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

Winning the lottery is something like a 1 in a 100 million chance, give or take. You're unlikely to win, but someone in your country will probably win each week.

Winning 100 50/50 bets in a row however is a 1 in a million trillion trillion chance. That's a 1 with 30 zeroes after it. You're unlikely to do it, and so is anyone in the whole world even if they each try once per second for a trillion years.

Winning the lottery is 1-with-8-zeroes hard,
Winning 100 coin tosses in a row is 1-with-30-zeroes impossible.

See the difference?

did someone win 100 50/50 bets in a row?   that's indeed impossible
i thought stunna said it were a lot of bets, some losses and wins but more wins than losses
if stunna pays out 100 50/50 bets in a row he's not that smart 

[ShetKid]

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

Winning the lottery is something like a 1 in a 100 million chance, give or take. You're unlikely to win, but someone in your country will probably win each week.

Winning 100 50/50 bets in a row however is a 1 in a million trillion trillion chance. That's a 1 with 30 zeroes after it. You're unlikely to do it, and so is anyone in the whole world even if they each try once per second for a trillion years.

Winning the lottery is 1-with-8-zeroes hard,
Winning 100 coin tosses in a row is 1-with-30-zeroes impossible.

See the difference?

did someone win 100 50/50 bets in a row?   that's indeed impossible
i thought stunna said it were a lot of bets, some losses and wins but more wins than losses
if stunna pays out 100 50/50 bets in a row he's not that smart 

I think some guy robinhood made 100 10BTC bets at 50% and ended up winning all of them. However rumors are he is hufflepuff and wanted to show some kind of flaw by doing that. Obviously , Stunna didn't let the withdrawal through.

[leen93]

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

Winning the lottery is something like a 1 in a 100 million chance, give or take. You're unlikely to win, but someone in your country will probably win each week.

Winning 100 50/50 bets in a row however is a 1 in a million trillion trillion chance. That's a 1 with 30 zeroes after it. You're unlikely to do it, and so is anyone in the whole world even if they each try once per second for a trillion years.

Winning the lottery is 1-with-8-zeroes hard,
Winning 100 coin tosses in a row is 1-with-30-zeroes impossible.

See the difference?

did someone win 100 50/50 bets in a row?   that's indeed impossible
i thought stunna said it were a lot of bets, some losses and wins but more wins than losses
if stunna pays out 100 50/50 bets in a row he's not that smart 

I think some guy robinhood made 100 10BTC bets at 50% and ended up winning all of them. However rumors are he is hufflepuff and wanted to show some kind of flaw by doing that. Obviously , Stunna didn't let the withdrawal through.

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

[Minnlo]

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

Because Stunna has already noticed the problem, patched the bug, and declined his withdrawals at that point (though it is a bit too late).

Check the bolded part of Stunna's original post:

Since this up again.

Robinnhood = Hufflepuff. Both abusing the same exploit I posted about a couple of months ago.

Hufflepuff was paid out over 2.5k BTC over multiple accounts he used with this exploit. Can link the TXID's if need be since I'm not concerned about his privacy obviously. Robinnhood however was not paid out as when we patched the glitch we made it so anyone who did it could not withdraw in an attempt to recoup a small amount of our losses from the exploit. So instead he kept rolling wins in attempt to be funny with no ability to cash out.

Hope this clears things up.

And Primedice's bank roll was barely affected and the exploit is now 100% fixed. The exploit only affected the house & not players. This is another reason why we don't accept investments and advise others to be careful doing so! Unforeseeable stuff like this happens.

[yakuza699]

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

That is a very god question leen.I started wondering about it as soon stunna announced that he cheated and the only thing that I came up with is that a-the attack was pretty obvious and stunna would have noticed it so he wanted to rip as much and as fast as possible b-he didn't wanted to destroy stunna.And leen it is pretty obvious that huff with his second account wanted to point the vulnerability.

Edit after reading minlo's post c- he wanted to have fun.

[leen93]

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

That is a very god question leen.I started wondering about it as soon stunna announced that he cheated and the only thing that I came up with is that a-the attack was pretty obvious and stunna would have noticed it so he wanted to rip as much and as fast as possible b-he didn't wanted to destroy stunna.And leen it is pretty obvious that huff with his second account wanted to point the vulnerability.

Edit after reading minlo's post c- he wanted to have fun.

if they are the same account, then he could have used that account to make a small profit and run away... and earn much more than they did now. In my eyes hufflepuf is just a stupid thief and stunna can be grateful that he made it obvious in the end

[arallmuus]

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

That is a very god question leen.I started wondering about it as soon stunna announced that he cheated and the only thing that I came up with is that a-the attack was pretty obvious and stunna would have noticed it so he wanted to rip as much and as fast as possible b-he didn't wanted to destroy stunna.And leen it is pretty obvious that huff with his second account wanted to point the vulnerability.

Edit after reading minlo's post c- he wanted to have fun.

if they are the same account, then he could have used that account to make a small profit and run away... and earn much more than they did now. In my eyes hufflepuf is just a stupid thief and stunna can be grateful that he made it obvious in the end

he is indeed could have get small profit day by day, by doing this it will not alert stunna, lets say 1 btc / day, this is a normal thing in PD and of course will not trigger an alert, but his greed get over him, lettimh himself make alot of profit in one day, that is when it trigger an alert for stunna, so stunna check it and found the exploit

[dznuts85]

stunna never will be able to proof hufflepuff=robinhood=cheater, they can just be lucky players, winning the lotery also isn't impossible.

Winning the lottery is something like a 1 in a 100 million chance, give or take. You're unlikely to win, but someone in your country will probably win each week.

Winning 100 50/50 bets in a row however is a 1 in a million trillion trillion chance. That's a 1 with 30 zeroes after it. You're unlikely to do it, and so is anyone in the whole world even if they each try once per second for a trillion years.

Winning the lottery is 1-with-8-zeroes hard,
Winning 100 coin tosses in a row is 1-with-30-zeroes impossible.

See the difference?

did someone win 100 50/50 bets in a row?   that's indeed impossible
i thought stunna said it were a lot of bets, some losses and wins but more wins than losses
if stunna pays out 100 50/50 bets in a row he's not that smart 

I think some guy robinhood made 100 10BTC bets at 50% and ended up winning all of them. However rumors are he is hufflepuff and wanted to show some kind of flaw by doing that. Obviously , Stunna didn't let the withdrawal through.

why would hufflepuff/robinhood do this? instead of building up more profit, day after day, making new accounts so it's not obvious etc.etc. ?

Its just because his greed. He doesnt think of he can get much more if he make atleast 10btc a day and not that 1 time 2000btc winning

[Priceslide]

Stunna is taking a seriously long time to update us on the full story. he must be making sure no one could ever repeat this even if the method of cheating is posted in full. I'm sorry for the 2.5k BTC loss. 2100 BTC is a far off dream of mine.