Hufflepuff Making 2k BTC On PrimeDice Nov 2014. March 2015 Update: He Cheated

[David19]

So when will stunna explain?

[98problems]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that? i think he already told that the player had 2 same seeds on 2 accounts and on 1 he prerolled the bet and then made a bet with hufflepuff account when he knew the outcome he could win or loose on purpose

[David19]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that? i think he already told that the player had 2 same seeds on 2 accounts and on 1 he prerolled the bet and then made a bet with hufflepuff account when he knew the outcome he could win or loose on purpose

Yeah, but i though he said that he would release a more detailed story

[98problems]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that? i think he already told that the player had 2 same seeds on 2 accounts and on 1 he prerolled the bet and then made a bet with hufflepuff account when he knew the outcome he could win or loose on purpose

Yeah, but i though he said that he would release a more detailed story

oh didnt hear about that, i thought he already told everything in detail though it would be really interesting to get more information about hufflepuffs scam, i hope they solved that so no one can abuse the system any more

[vennali]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that? i think he already told that the player had 2 same seeds on 2 accounts and on 1 he prerolled the bet and then made a bet with hufflepuff account when he knew the outcome he could win or loose on purpose

Yeah, but i though he said that he would release a more detailed story

What has to be explained is the more detailed story on how did he manage to get his own seed. The server seed is never revealed to the gambler until he changes or resets his seed. But in this case hufflepuff managed to figure out his seed in some way.
Waiting for more information from Stunna on this as well.

[David19]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that? i think he already told that the player had 2 same seeds on 2 accounts and on 1 he prerolled the bet and then made a bet with hufflepuff account when he knew the outcome he could win or loose on purpose

Yeah, but i though he said that he would release a more detailed story

What has to be explained is the more detailed story on how did he manage to get his own seed. The server seed is never revealed to the gambler until he changes or resets his seed. But in this case hufflepuff managed to figure out his seed in some way.
Waiting for more information from Stunna on this as well.

I have an idea on what he did for this, but i would like to find out for sure.Im pretty experienced with bugs especially on primedice, since i have reported few severe bugs to stunna

[dooglus]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that?

Stunna said he is going to edit his post in this thread with full details of the exploit.

this is the post where Stunna is going to provide the full details.

Originally it said:

Since this up again.

Robinnhood = Hufflepuff. Both abusing the same exploit I posted about a couple of months ago.

Hufflepuff was paid out over 2.5k BTC over multiple accounts he used with this exploit. Can link the TXID's if need be since I'm not concerned about his privacy obviously. Robinnhood however was not paid out as when we patched the glitch we made it so anyone who did it could not withdraw in an attempt to recoup a small amount of our losses from the exploit. So instead he kept rolling wins in attempt to be funny with no ability to cash out.

Hope this clears things up.

And Primedice's bank roll was barely affected and the exploit is now 100% fixed. The exploit only affected the house & not players. This is another reason why we don't accept investments and advise others to be careful doing so! Unforeseeable stuff like this happens.

Then it changed to this:

Edited out for now, will edit in with the full details later. It would be preferable for people to be presented the full story rather than vague details here and there.

And later he will edit it again and fill in the details.

He doesn't appear to have edited the post yet.

What has to be explained is the more detailed story on how did he manage to get his own seed. The server seed is never revealed to the gambler until he changes or resets his seed. But in this case hufflepuff managed to figure out his seed in some way.

If two accounts had the same server secret for some reason, you could reveal the secret on one account, and play using it on the other account. That may be what happened, but I don't think it has been revealed yet how anyone would get the same secret on two different accounts.

[David19]

So when will stunna explain?

what explain? how hufflepuff did that?

Stunna said he is going to edit his post in this thread with full details of the exploit.

this is the post where Stunna is going to provide the full details.

Originally it said:

Since this up again.

Robinnhood = Hufflepuff. Both abusing the same exploit I posted about a couple of months ago.

Hufflepuff was paid out over 2.5k BTC over multiple accounts he used with this exploit. Can link the TXID's if need be since I'm not concerned about his privacy obviously. Robinnhood however was not paid out as when we patched the glitch we made it so anyone who did it could not withdraw in an attempt to recoup a small amount of our losses from the exploit. So instead he kept rolling wins in attempt to be funny with no ability to cash out.

Hope this clears things up.

And Primedice's bank roll was barely affected and the exploit is now 100% fixed. The exploit only affected the house & not players. This is another reason why we don't accept investments and advise others to be careful doing so! Unforeseeable stuff like this happens.

Then it changed to this:

Edited out for now, will edit in with the full details later. It would be preferable for people to be presented the full story rather than vague details here and there.

And later he will edit it again and fill in the details.

He doesn't appear to have edited the post yet.

What has to be explained is the more detailed story on how did he manage to get his own seed. The server seed is never revealed to the gambler until he changes or resets his seed. But in this case hufflepuff managed to figure out his seed in some way.

If two accounts had the same server secret for some reason, you could reveal the secret on one account, and play using it on the other account. That may be what happened, but I don't think it has been revealed yet how anyone would get the same secret on two different accounts.

I'm guessing that he found a way to create/duplicate same account without it being attached to the same ID, so when he would change the seed on 1 it wouldn't affect the other one and thus he could predict the rolls

[grendel25]

Wow, the videos are awesome.  This story is so many things on so many levels.  It's bad the guy cheated but in a way I can see people rooting for him like Breaking Bad characters.  After all "house edge" is so obviously "player death"... or something.

But from another angle... gambling is pretty much illegal in so many places and sites like this side-step laws of various sovereigns.  But then again, I'm a closet Libertarian and think we should all have the freedom to do what the hell we want. 

Man... this story is inspiring but it reminds me of that "Casino" movie too when that idiot pit boss just keeps on letting a thief hit jackpots on a slot machine.

[Olaf]

and here i thought everyone praised hufflepuff cause he was legit lol.

[vennali]

What has to be explained is the more detailed story on how did he manage to get his own seed. The server seed is never revealed to the gambler until he changes or resets his seed. But in this case hufflepuff managed to figure out his seed in some way.

If two accounts had the same server secret for some reason, you could reveal the secret on one account, and play using it on the other account. That may be what happened, but I don't think it has been revealed yet how anyone would get the same secret on two different accounts.

The problem with that assumption is that there will have to be 3 accounts with the same seeds to make sense of that theory. At the end Robinhood clearly showed the advantage he took of the flaw by winning many 10 BTC bets. So he probably didn't reveal the seed on that account, as he knew the rolls.

HufflePuff happened before this, and since its believed he had the seeds on that account, so probably there might be a third account where he got the seeds originally, at first from .

Or perhaps he had 2 separate pairs. If he managed to get seeds off 3 accounts, then there definitely exists or existed a flaw. I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

[arallmuus]

and here i thought everyone praised hufflepuff cause he was legit lol.

He is not because he is cheating

I'm guessing that he found a way to create/duplicate same account without it being attached to the same ID, so when he would change the seed on 1 it wouldn't affect the other one and thus he could predict the rolls

Another theory which I read would be that if you are using the same seed rolling in a few accounts then you might get the same server seed. This is proof by that there is someone who placed some BTC for rolling X numbers of rolls with certain seed at the services section.
I cant find the thread anymore btw

I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

Could perhaps that Stunna is tracking this guy now secretly that he doesnt want hufflepuff to feel insecure about this. Another theory would be that the exploit hasnt been fixed yet and commenting on it will lead people to try it and again manage to get it

[vennali]

I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

Could perhaps that Stunna is tracking this guy now secretly that he doesnt want hufflepuff to feel insecure about this. Another theory would be that the exploit hasnt been fixed yet and commenting on it will lead people to try it and again manage to get it

The second is highly unlikely. Stunna would rather close the site than let it continue with the exploit, as Hufflepuff can always come back through another account and repeat the process in the same way like before.
As for tracking, I doubt it . Even if thats the case, he can always leave an update, which wouldn't interfere with anything that he might be doing.

[arallmuus]

I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

Could perhaps that Stunna is tracking this guy now secretly that he doesnt want hufflepuff to feel insecure about this. Another theory would be that the exploit hasnt been fixed yet and commenting on it will lead people to try it and again manage to get it

The second is highly unlikely. Stunna would rather close the site than let it continue with the exploit, as Hufflepuff can always come back through another account and repeat the process in the same way like before.
As for tracking, I doubt it . Even if thats the case, he can always leave an update, which wouldn't interfere with anything that he might be doing.

Well he promised to be posting up the details explanation about what happened "soon" .Which of course in Stunna's term that might take quite a while before we can  feed our curiousity.

For the first one basically he keep silent will be to not let hufflepuff know what he is doing right now as it will be much easier for him to track on hufflepuff if he doesnt know what Stunna's is up to .

For the second one, Stunna may have fixed it yet it is just another of my theory. Could be that he doesnt fix it yet to lure in hufflepuff to the site as for the tracking purposes

P.S : just my theory, basically because Im bored waiting for the promised explanations

[dooglus]

The problem with that assumption is that there will have to be 3 accounts with the same seeds to make sense of that theory. At the end Robinhood clearly showed the advantage he took of the flaw by winning many 10 BTC bets. So he probably didn't reveal the seed on that account, as he knew the rolls.

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Or perhaps he had 2 separate pairs. If he managed to get seeds off 3 accounts, then there definitely exists or existed a flaw. I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

My guess would be that he had a way of making pairs of accounts with the same server seed. So Hufflepuff and Robbinhood had different seeds, but each had a 'twin' that was used to reveal their seed.

Of course, that's just a guess, and we'll have to wait for Stunna's edit to really know.

[neoneros]

It would be very stupid to have the outcome determined by the server seed alone, even moreso if you can manipulate the seed that easily. If it is possible to cheat the system in this way it only indicates the system is not truly random and rigged. So the 2k primedice lost is not a big issue for prime dice, they got it back from all the other players in their rigged system 

[Wendigo]

The problem with that assumption is that there will have to be 3 accounts with the same seeds to make sense of that theory. At the end Robinhood clearly showed the advantage he took of the flaw by winning many 10 BTC bets. So he probably didn't reveal the seed on that account, as he knew the rolls.

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Or perhaps he had 2 separate pairs. If he managed to get seeds off 3 accounts, then there definitely exists or existed a flaw. I wonder why Stunna still hasn't commented on it.

My guess would be that he had a way of making pairs of accounts with the same server seed. So Hufflepuff and Robbinhood had different seeds, but each had a 'twin' that was used to reveal their seed.

Of course, that's just a guess, and we'll have to wait for Stunna's edit to really know.

Or maybe he was multiaccounting on different machines and by a stroke of luck he noticed the same outcomes on some accounts? Is it possible that the 2 identical seeds had the exactly same rolls on them?

[arallmuus]

It would be very stupid to have the outcome determined by the server seed alone

Why is that? perhaps you can propose a new method for this? still it is better than the outcome that is determined by the favor the owner

even moreso if you can manipulate the seed that easily.

We cant manipulate the server seed, do read few comments here before posting. It is suspected that he may have the outcome already from another account which makes him able to know what the next roll will be

If it is possible to cheat the system in this way it only indicates the system is not truly random and rigged.

If it is possible to cheat the system , everyone would have found a way to do so but since only Hufflepuff manage to do this then this actually means that he is exploiting a loophole or exploit from the sites. FYI, the system is not random as it is predetermined in form of the server seed and it is not rigged

So the 2k primedice lost is not a big issue for prime dice

Yes it is not , although the house might take some beating from the lost of this

they got it back from all the other players in their rigged system 

Again do your research before posting, the system is not rigged

[sherbyspark]

Or maybe he was multiaccounting on different machines and by a stroke of luck he noticed the same outcomes on some accounts? Is it possible that the 2 identical seeds had the exactly same rolls on them?

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

[arallmuus]

That depends on how the seeds are generated. But I am sure it would be random and not selected from a list. And the probability of having the same seeds randomly is almost 0.

Almost 0 doesnt mean that it is imposible because there is still a posibillity for that. He might have been lucky enough to notice it and exploit it further. Although this all is a pure speculations and theories on how he did it, it hasnt been proven yet that two account rolling with the same seed could generate the same server seed.