[ANN] SMLY- smileycoin - for rewards in education

[gstefans]

I'd like a discussion on this, but there are two obvious options:

• Re-allocate them back into the tutor-web and then to new students
• Donate them to the sister project of the tutor-web, Education in a Suitcase

Either of those is fine by me.  You might also consider using them for the development of the coin, for instance solving the issue of the occasional long gaps between blocks -- An experienced dev might accept some SMLY as a bounty.

Yeah I think the development is key.  I love this project but I just do not know how to support it.

On this topic there is also another thing which I've been meaning to bring forward on this forum.

We do have some further options with regard to development, but we need to be very careful how they are used. On the smileycoin home page (https://tutor-web.info/smileycoin) the following text has been from the beginning: As explained elsewhere on this page, the pre-mined coins are used to reward students for their performance. In addition, the project will award grants to developers and entrepreneurs, who aim to use the smileycoin in their systems or otherwise develop environments which lead to increased use of the SMLY. Uses may include but are not limited to gaming projects requiring the use of SMLY as a currency.

It would be in accordance with this to use the equivalent of a bitcoin or two to pay for particularly important development. Again, we need to be very careful since we don't want to just spend the premine willy-nilly on pet projects. By far most of it needs to go to students.

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[dgmon]

I'd like a discussion on this, but there are two obvious options:

• Re-allocate them back into the tutor-web and then to new students
• Donate them to the sister project of the tutor-web, Education in a Suitcase

Either of those is fine by me.  You might also consider using them for the development of the coin, for instance solving the issue of the occasional long gaps between blocks -- An experienced dev might accept some SMLY as a bounty.

Yeah I think the development is key.  I love this project but I just do not know how to support it.

On this topic there is also another thing which I've been meaning to bring forward on this forum.

We do have some further options with regard to development, but we need to be very careful how they are used. On the smileycoin home page (https://tutor-web.info/smileycoin) the following text has been from the beginning: As explained elsewhere on this page, the pre-mined coins are used to reward students for their performance. In addition, the project will award grants to developers and entrepreneurs, who aim to use the smileycoin in their systems or otherwise develop environments which lead to increased use of the SMLY. Uses may include but are not limited to gaming projects requiring the use of SMLY as a currency.

It would be in accordance with this to use the equivalent of a bitcoin or two to pay for particularly important development. Again, we need to be very careful since we don't want to just spend the premine willy-nilly on pet projects. By far most of it needs to go to students.

Please consider prioritising development of the coin a little more.  That's how the value of the coin increases and how the coin becomes useful beyond being a token to immediately exchange for a satoshi    Everybody wins, including the students.

- The time gaps between the blocks need to be resolved.
- Like most cryptocurrencies, there's the issue where the desktop wallet will eventually generate addresses that aren't in earlier copies of the wallet.dat (so if you copy your Windows wallet.dat to use in Linux, you might end up losing coins).  Could it be set up to use the same kind of HD seed as Coinomi?  Could it allow the user to import Coinomi seed words?
- Like most cryptocurrencies, you can't use the desktop wallet until it's synced.  Can it not operate in SPV node until it's synced?

By the way:
- ANN OP says "Android wallet, ipones, iPad etc: Search for Smileycoin in the Google Playstore or the Apple App store." << iOS wallet is gone now  
- https://www.scryptpool.com/pool/SMLY << "This pool is disabled. This could mean the pool is being set up, in maintenance or being removed." (I don't know whether this is news or not.)
- https://coinplorer.com/SMLY << "Website is offline No cached version of this page is available."
- https://prohashing.com/explorer/Smileycoin/ << This is online, but doesn't have a list of the X most recent blocks AFAIK, making it uncomfortable to use as a main block explorer.
- http://coinofview.com/coin/Smileycoin.html << Is listed as a block explorer in the OP, but is it one?  (EDIT: Oh, it's under the category 'Block explorers and coin info' -- Can we give Block Explorers their own heading?)
- I suggest you consider paying someone like Chainz (CryptoID) to host a block explorer -- Msg fairglu on this forum.
- http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=3422 << ANN posts on other sites do not seem to be being kept up to date.  Cryptopia and NovaExchange are not listed in that ANN's OP.  Is Vindyne8 so expensive?    BitcoinTalk is a little shady (donations from users were apparently embezzled) so not everyone wants to use it.  ANN posts on these other sites should be kept updated, and in various languages too, and linked to from this site's ANN OP.

Cheers!

[gstefans]

I'd like a discussion on this, but there are two obvious options:

• Re-allocate them back into the tutor-web and then to new students
• Donate them to the sister project of the tutor-web, Education in a Suitcase

Either of those is fine by me.  You might also consider using them for the development of the coin, for instance solving the issue of the occasional long gaps between blocks -- An experienced dev might accept some SMLY as a bounty.

Yeah I think the development is key.  I love this project but I just do not know how to support it.

On this topic there is also another thing which I've been meaning to bring forward on this forum.

We do have some further options with regard to development, but we need to be very careful how they are used. On the smileycoin home page (https://tutor-web.info/smileycoin) the following text has been from the beginning: As explained elsewhere on this page, the pre-mined coins are used to reward students for their performance. In addition, the project will award grants to developers and entrepreneurs, who aim to use the smileycoin in their systems or otherwise develop environments which lead to increased use of the SMLY. Uses may include but are not limited to gaming projects requiring the use of SMLY as a currency.

It would be in accordance with this to use the equivalent of a bitcoin or two to pay for particularly important development. Again, we need to be very careful since we don't want to just spend the premine willy-nilly on pet projects. By far most of it needs to go to students.

Please consider prioritising development of the coin a little more.  That's how the value of the coin increases and how the coin becomes useful beyond being a token to immediately exchange for a satoshi    Everybody wins, including the students.

- The time gaps between the blocks need to be resolved.
- Like most cryptocurrencies, there's the issue where the desktop wallet will eventually generate addresses that aren't in earlier copies of the wallet.dat (so if you copy your Windows wallet.dat to use in Linux, you might end up losing coins).  Could it be set up to use the same kind of HD seed as Coinomi?  Could it allow the user to import Coinomi seed words?
- Like most cryptocurrencies, you can't use the desktop wallet until it's synced.  Can it not operate in SPV node until it's synced?

By the way:
- ANN OP says "Android wallet, ipones, iPad etc: Search for Smileycoin in the Google Playstore or the Apple App store." << iOS wallet is gone now  
- https://www.scryptpool.com/pool/SMLY << "This pool is disabled. This could mean the pool is being set up, in maintenance or being removed." (I don't know whether this is news or not.)
- https://coinplorer.com/SMLY << "Website is offline No cached version of this page is available."
- https://prohashing.com/explorer/Smileycoin/ << This is online, but doesn't have a list of the X most recent blocks AFAIK, making it uncomfortable to use as a main block explorer.
- http://coinofview.com/coin/Smileycoin.html << Is listed as a block explorer in the OP, but is it one?  (EDIT: Oh, it's under the category 'Block explorers and coin info' -- Can we give Block Explorers their own heading?)
- I suggest you consider paying someone like Chainz (CryptoID) to host a block explorer -- Msg fairglu on this forum.
- http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=3422 << ANN posts on other sites do not seem to be being kept up to date.  Cryptopia and NovaExchange are not listed in that ANN's OP.  Is Vindyne8 so expensive?    BitcoinTalk is a little shady (donations from users were apparently embezzled) so not everyone wants to use it.  ANN posts on these other sites should be kept updated, and in various languages too, and linked to from this site's ANN OP.

Cheers!

That was very useful, thank you!

I've gone through the list and attended to a few of them.

It was a bit of a bummer to lose coinplorer and yeah, prohashing.com is not the perfect explorer Hopefully we can get Chainz to incorporate SMLY.

The scryptpool site is supposedly temporarily down (according to the pool owner), so I'm going to keep it in a bit longer.

[gstefans]

We have a new block explorer: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/smly/

[Chris Sokolowski]

It was a bit of a bummer to lose coinplorer and yeah, prohashing.com is not the perfect explorer Hopefully we can get Chainz to incorporate SMLY.

I'd appreciate feedback on how we at Prohashing can improve our block explorer.  What would make it better?

[gstefans]

It was a bit of a bummer to lose coinplorer and yeah, prohashing.com is not the perfect explorer Hopefully we can get Chainz to incorporate SMLY.

I'd appreciate feedback on how we at Prohashing can improve our block explorer.  What would make it better?

OK, first I'd like to apologise for the above wording. I like Prohashing and it is really very good for certain things, it's just that it doesn't give what I often use a block explorer for. Let me explain by comparing https://chainz.cryptoid.info and https://prohashing.com/explorer/Smileycoin/

What I really like about Prohashing: When searching for abuse in the tutor-web, prohashing is the perfect thing. You enter a suspect address and you get all the blocks, cumulative up to the current amount. You can then click on a withdrawal and see the corresponding transaction simultaneously with the address. Basically it is incredibly easy to search for a culprit, find links between addresses and find where coins are being aggregated.

What is better in a "traditional" block explorer: A classic block explorer begins by showing the list of the most recent x blocks. This was done in the late coinplorer and it is done in Chainz. When looking at whether the chain is healthy or there are hiccups such as occasional long delays in block generation, or see difficulty development, this is the thing one looks at. Also in both of these, there is (was) easy access to a "rich list".

In summary, it's not clear to me that you want to change prohashing.com or simply stay different. I honestly think you are better for the casual user, but you lack features which a tech geek uses...(or maybe I didn't find them!)

I suppose the one thing which I missed most often - while Prohashing was our only explorer - was a way to visit a block or transaction through a url. Your interface is nicer than most, but I do often like to store or send someone a transaction to look at and it is very nice to be able to send just a link https://chainz.cryptoid.info/smly/tx.dws?b29d44602926a1705b8d7bbf6553ed672f36c76be0f8f72f1336812eb8b45f31.htm.

[dgmon]

I will just quote what I said above:

- https://prohashing.com/explorer/Smileycoin/ << This is online, but doesn't have a list of the X most recent blocks AFAIK, making it uncomfortable to use as a main block explorer.

That's the thing I might go to a block explorer for. -- To see whether blocks are coming in frequently or not, and to see whether there've been any blocks since I sent off a transaction.

[Lafu]

Smileycoin(SMLY)  pool now online!

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/MineShaft/?pool=SMLY&Algo=Scrypt

[dnp]

still Litecoin references in the Windoze QT wallet
   Settings->Options->Main tab...

and

   Help->AboutSmileycoin
      the window titlebar says Litecoin
      the window body calls it Litecoin version v0.8.7.1...
      and you may want to add an extra line for Copyright (c) 2014-2016 "Smileycoin developers" ??
        assuming you changed anything other than logos and references to the word Litecoin

oh, and
   Help->Debug
     the window titlebar says Litecoin


i suspect these, and many many more, are hiding in the src/qt/locale/ files for language support

[gstefans]

still Litecoin references in the Windoze QT wallet
   Settings->Options->Main tab...

and

   Help->AboutSmileycoin
      the window titlebar says Litecoin
      the window body calls it Litecoin version v0.8.7.1...
      and you may want to add an extra line for Copyright (c) 2014-2016 "Smileycoin developers" ??
        assuming you changed anything other than logos and references to the word Litecoin

oh, and
   Help->Debug
     the window titlebar says Litecoin

Thanks: We'll try to get rid of these in our next release (none of us use Windows so we don't see any of these).

[dnp]

still Litecoin references in the Windoze QT wallet
   Settings->Options->Main tab...

and

   Help->AboutSmileycoin
      the window titlebar says Litecoin
      the window body calls it Litecoin version v0.8.7.1...
      and you may want to add an extra line for Copyright (c) 2014-2016 "Smileycoin developers" ??
        assuming you changed anything other than logos and references to the word Litecoin

oh, and
   Help->Debug
     the window titlebar says Litecoin

Thanks: We'll try to get rid of these in our next release (none of us use Windows so we don't see any of these).

your platform doesnt use the src/qt/locale/ language files?? that is where most of the program-name references are.

i'm kinda surprised altcoin codebases haven't made some sort of %ProgramName% or #define ProgramName for the qt and .cpp sources

[gstefans]

These pools are now active:

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/MineShaft/?pool=SMLY&Algo=Scrypt
https://smly.hashlink.eu
https://prohashing.com/

We know hashlink - they've been with us for a while but there was some hickup in SMLY mining until a few minutes ago and now it seems to run smoothly.

Cryptopia is very very nice. Their mining is somewhat commercial but the operation will run for at least a month.

stratum+tcp://stratum-eu1.hashlink.eu:3045   user.miner sswd       
stratum+tcp://mineshaft1.cryptopia.co.nz:1000   user.miner sswd       
stratum+tcp://prohashing.com:3333   user   c=Smileycoin

Just for the record, I'm not sure about Prohashing: I've checked their block explorer more than once and it seems that blocks generated by miners in the Prohashing pool only contain the single transaction to pay the mining fee. Blocks generated by other pools seem to pick up any other transactions. If this is correct, then there is a problem with using Prohashing for mining. If anyone knows better, please correct me!

[gstefans]

It's time to boast a little bit: After 2 years, we're still alive :-)

The highlights:

The SMLY, used to reward students for achievements in the open tutor-web system, reached a ripe and mature two years of age at the end of November 2016.

Students have been awarded 2.7 bn SMLY over the course of the 2 years. The coin is mined in several mining pools and is available on LTC and DOGE markets on several exchanges (see above).

Educational efforts underway in Kenya, through Education in a suitcase give hope to the use of SMLY as a means to support students in low-income regions.

[dgmon]

It's time to boast a little bit: After 2 years, we're still alive :-)

The highlights:

The SMLY, used to reward students for achievements in the open tutor-web system, reached a ripe and mature two years of age at the end of November 2016.

Students have been awarded 2.7 bn SMLY over the course of the 2 years. The coin is mined in several mining pools and is available on LTC and DOGE markets on several exchanges (see above).

Educational efforts underway in Kenya, through Education in a suitcase give hope to the use of SMLY as a means to support students in low-income regions.

It's good :-)  Hope you will consider reserving more SMLY just for development etc. though~

Even Bitcoin nowadays has the wallet seed system in its Core wallet ;-)  It's hard enough to get people to back up in the first place without also getting them to back up every copy they have that's in active use!

[gstefans]

It's good :-)  Hope you will consider reserving more SMLY just for development etc. though~

Even Bitcoin nowadays has the wallet seed system in its Core wallet ;-)  It's hard enough to get people to back up in the first place without also getting them to back up every copy they have that's in active use!

Yes. We have spent some SMLY on development (within the rules set out in the mandate at http://smileyco.in), but you're right that we could do a lot more.

You'll recall that we made a deal with the coinomi group and they have a really nice Android wallet which includes the SMLY :-) They have a seed system...
 
It seems a bit of a pity to sell SMLY at under 1 Satoshi, though :-(  -- and if we try to buy stuff for 2-3 BTC by selling SMLY, then the SMLY price plummets...

We're in the enviable position of being able to hire summer students for various tasks. This helps both us and the students so that has been our preferred way of doing things (plus a variety of grants). So our emphasis has been on doing stuff which we can easily do in that manner. The most recent task is a web-page for trading a variety of electronic coupons for SMLY. This is almost ready and initially it is aimed at our largest user group, students in Iceland. We'll see in a few weeks how far we can take this.

I know many of you think we're not doing enough, but we do also need your help and I'll give a few examples.

• We really need to get into ShapeShift. Let them know that you think SMLY should be included.
• Uquid has not replied to a request to include SMLY on their card. Help us get there.
• Same with Gift Off
• etc etc

[gstefans]

You can trade SMLY using the decentralised Bitsquare exchange.

See bitsquare.io.

[dgmon]

Coins-e is linked at http://smileyco.in and in the ANN OP but it looks like they've gone down :-(  Hope no-one kept much SMLY there~

https://www.coins-e.com/exchange/SMLY_BTC

Info about Coins-e:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418416.180
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946810.40

This is a reminder not to keep too many coins on centralised services ;-)

[gstefans]

Coins-e is linked at http://smileyco.in and in the ANN OP but it looks like they've gone down :-(  Hope no-one kept much SMLY there~

https://www.coins-e.com/exchange/SMLY_BTC

Info about Coins-e:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418416.180
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946810.40

This is a reminder not to keep too many coins on centralised services ;-)

Thank you - I've tried to remove all links to Coins-e.

For those of you mining, note that hashnova is going down so you should request payouts.

[dgmon]

• We really need to get into ShapeShift. Let them know that you think SMLY should be included.
• Uquid has not replied to a request to include SMLY on their card. Help us get there.
• Same with Gift Off
• etc etc

Doesn't look like there's much good talking to ShapeShift right now: https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/814547116655869952

PM'd the user uquid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=844100

Might not be much point asking GiftOff right now: https://giftoff.com/faq

Gift Off accepts digital currencies through an integration with Shapeshift.io’s awesome service. We can only accept digital currencies that are accepted by them. If you have a currency you’d like to spend at Gift Off, it’s best to get in touch with them to see if they’ll add it to their service.

Stuff is happening with SMLY, it's true    But the blocktime issues do need fixing before this coin will see volume, and thereby acceptance onto services.  And you see that HD seeds are slowly becoming standard in wallets, as well they should be.  Is there any way to have a fulltime dev, with your summer students working on stuff that the main dev isn't working on?

[gstefans]

• We really need to get into ShapeShift. Let them know that you think SMLY should be included.
• Uquid has not replied to a request to include SMLY on their card. Help us get there.
• Same with Gift Off
• etc etc

Doesn't look like there's much good talking to ShapeShift right now: https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/814547116655869952

PM'd the user uquid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=844100

Might not be much point asking GiftOff right now: https://giftoff.com/faq

Gift Off accepts digital currencies through an integration with Shapeshift.io’s awesome service. We can only accept digital currencies that are accepted by them. If you have a currency you’d like to spend at Gift Off, it’s best to get in touch with them to see if they’ll add it to their service.

Stuff is happening with SMLY, it's true    But the blocktime issues do need fixing before this coin will see volume, and thereby acceptance onto services.  And you see that HD seeds are slowly becoming standard in wallets, as well they should be.  Is there any way to have a fulltime dev, with your summer students working on stuff that the main dev isn't working on?

'fraid we won't be able to find the time/money for a full-time dev :-(

but i'm hoping the blocktime issue has been alleviated for now, just through more and stable mining...