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Question: Is BFL simply Trolling Enterpoint (and other FPGA Devs) with their EARLY Announcement ?
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June 19, 2012, 02:35:24 AM
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So why the hell would anyone want a mini rig if the ASIC is imminent ? Oh yeah, you think they will give you a dollar for dollar trade in. Then what are they going to go with all those useless mini rigs ? give them away to charity ?

This just gets more ridiculous by the moment.
I too wonder what will be done with the old hardware. Since it is FPGA, it seems plausible that they could reconstitute it for other purposes, but not sure what. With only a USB port, it seems that they wouldn't be good for very much.

if enough people trade in their junk along with a payment they will have a pretty large farm they can mine with themselves.  they get their hardware back plus a extra cash and they can mine.. nothing but benjamins!

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June 19, 2012, 04:49:35 AM
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So why the hell would anyone want a mini rig if the ASIC is imminent ? Oh yeah, you think they will give you a dollar for dollar trade in. Then what are they going to go with all those useless mini rigs ? give them away to charity ?

This just gets more ridiculous by the moment.
I too wonder what will be done with the old hardware. Since it is FPGA, it seems plausible that they could reconstitute it for other purposes, but not sure what. With only a USB port, it seems that they wouldn't be good for very much.

if enough people trade in their junk along with a payment they will have a pretty large farm they can mine with themselves.  they get their hardware back plus a extra cash and they can mine.. nothing but benjamins!

my coffee warmers hash more then their mini rigs

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June 19, 2012, 04:53:04 AM
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my coffee warmers hash more then their mini rigs

They should make some mining toasters also lol
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June 19, 2012, 06:14:49 AM
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I can understand BFL for not posting delivery times for devices that are still under development/construction. But the fact they don't post every single detail about the trade program, makes me think there is a (possibly) shady reason for that.

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June 19, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
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Disclaimer: I don't like the way BFL does business (the trolling of the Enterpoint thread, pre-purchasing, etc), and I won't be purchasing any of their products even if they're the only bitcoin ASIC producer out there. I also don't know much about the FPGA market outside of Bitcoin, but as others have done in this thread, I'm going to speculate (guess) a little.

Since it is widely accepted that BFL products use previous-generation high-end FPGA chips that were bought on the cheap somehow, is it possible with this trade in program they would be stripping these chips from the devices and reselling them again? If they received such a good deal on them I would think it would be possible for them to resell the chips at much less of a loss than might be imagined. Sure they're not current gen products, but the demand might still be there with the volume and discount that BFL could provide.

This could be a reason the trade-in program could be 1:1 dollar value and they would accept multiple old products toward one new product. I see the logic in Bitlane's speculation too, I just always like to think of possible alternatives.
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June 19, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
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Some of you idiots should do us all a favor and kill yourselves.

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June 19, 2012, 11:14:53 AM
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This could be a reason the trade-in program could be 1:1 dollar value and they would accept multiple old products toward one new product.

Im going to speculate it is because (1) the price of the ASIC boards/systems are going to be high and (B) Its a great way to get ppl not to buy competitors products.

Yea I know I said (1) and (B) - thats how I roll <grins>

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June 19, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
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Some of you idiots should do us all a favor and kill yourselves.

most of us are ghosts, we died a long time ago waiting on BFL deliveries Tongue

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June 19, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
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Where is Inaba? we need him so badly.

This will be the best CON in bitcoin's history.

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June 19, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
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I'm no friend of BFL, but can someone justify the decision to create "The thread in which BFL trolls Enterpoint," locked and sticky? This seems entirely uncalled for, and more than a little childish. I'm quite frankly shocked that the moderators on this board did or allowed this. Sure, BFL made a stupid comment on the Enterpoint thread, but they apologized immediately. Did they "troll" the thread? I don't think trolls apologize for their comments - but who knows? - this word "troll" has become so hackneyed I have very little grip on what it means anymore. I thought the job of moderators was to *moderate* - not join an attack on a company that is based mostly on speculation about what they might do or what their motives might be. IMO, the sticky should at the very least be removed from that thread. Let it sink slowly into oblivion - that is more than enough of a slap on the wrist for what BFL did.    
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June 19, 2012, 01:55:51 PM
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I'm no friend of BFL, but can someone justify the decision to create "The thread in which BFL trolls Enterpoint," locked and sticky? This seems entirely uncalled for, and more than a little childish. I'm quite frankly shocked that the moderators on this board did or allowed this. Sure, BFL made a stupid comment on the Enterpoint thread, but they apologized immediately. Did they "troll" the thread? I don't think trolls apologize for their comments - but who knows? - this word "troll" has become so hackneyed I have very little grip on what it means anymore. I thought the job of moderators was to *moderate* - not join an attack on a company that is based mostly on speculation about what they might do or what their motives might be. IMO, the sticky should at the very least be removed from that thread. Let it sink slowly into oblivion - that is more than enough of a slap on the wrist for what BFL did.    

I find it shocking that they bother to reply and write in the Enterpoint's thread, yet don't bother to read and reply in the own threads, in which people that have sent them money ask genuine questions. They got what they deserved.
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June 19, 2012, 02:23:35 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.
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June 19, 2012, 02:53:08 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   
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June 19, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   
Unfortunately, this isn't the first time that this has happened and they have been called out on it. Maybe it's been stickied for long enough, but keep it locked.

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June 19, 2012, 03:34:27 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   

BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.

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June 19, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   

BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.



Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.   
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June 19, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   

BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.



I agree with the punishment. Its not the first time BFL handles the forums unprofessionally.


Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.   
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June 19, 2012, 04:23:22 PM
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I admit that you have a point and you are right. I'm sure it wont stay there long. For a few days to make the point.
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June 19, 2012, 04:24:22 PM
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I would like to point out that BFL did NOT apologize immediately. They apologized after moderator DiabloD3 posted on that thread.. Do you research man. BFL's punishment is well deserved.

I disagree, it isn't deserved. I did do my research - you just have a different notion of what counts as "immediately." Sure, they apologized after a number of members, including DiabloD3, called them out for the stupid remark. Still, it didn't take them long to apologize, and the mature thing to do is to accept their apology without childish retaliation. Look, there are lots of reasons to be unhappy with BFL business practices, and they are being picked apart over this to the nth degree in various threads on this forum, but this doesn't justify creating a sticky thread over one unfortunate comment they made. If any other member on this forum had made this comment, it certainly wouldn't have lead to this sticky. So BFL is obviously being overly punished for this simply because one or more of the mods doesn't like them and is blowing the whole event out of proportion. If you want to attack BFL, stick with the real reasons for this - i.e. their business practices - and not one stupid comment they made and apologized for. My point is, they shouldn't be overly punished for the stupid comment just because there are *other* reasons to be unhappy with them. Attack them for the other reasons and let the stupid comment go.   

BFL is not a regular member. It's a company and that user BFL is representing Butterflylabs inc. That's why it got stickied. Do you think it is appropriate to talk shit in other manufacturer's thread? No, it is not. I say this again: They apologized after DiabloD3 hinted them to stfu. You have different rules when you are representing a company.



Yeah, I agree with you that a company should be held to a higher standard. But it's still a single individual making the post, and individuals can make mistakes. Whoever posts for them made a poor decision, realized this after it was pointed out to him, and apologized. That should be enough. The remark was of course not appropriate, but it is a daily occurrence on this board that someone does something inappropriate (and much more inappropriate in many cases), but this doesn't doesn't result in a sticky punishment. I still think it's way overdone to create a sticky about it. IMO, the sticky seems to be more motivated by hatred for BFL than out of a sense for just punishment for their infraction, which compared to what else goes on in this forum, was fairly minor, even for a company. The sticky seems inappropriate to me, but at this point I'm not sure what else to say about it - I'll just let others chime in with their opinion, and the mods can do as they see fit.   
I agree with you.  Diablo D3 has it out for BFL, that's why he stickied it.  It's unfair and very biased treatment.

None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.
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I agree with you.  Diablo D3 has it out for BFL, that's why he stickied it.  It's unfair and very biased treatment.

None of BFL's competitors who come in the BFL threads and rag on them are ever even forced to make an apology, much less them receiving "punishments" for it.


BFL wasn't forced to make an apology. They chose to do it on their own after a number of users and a mod pounced on them for spreading (more) FUD in another legitimate company's thread. The only "punishment" here is people having the opportunity to see exactly what BFL chose to write about another company's product.
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