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June 24, 2012, 10:53:42 AM
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It opened this forum to post on separate GPU and FPGA and is now flooded with shit about imaginary ASICs.
Please moderators, open a subforum for ASICs though not exist, we want to read quietly FPGA forum, thanks.
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June 24, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
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Agreed, ASIC is not the same as FPGA, its time to make a sub-category ASIC!

(edit: I have revised my original position. The labeling is dubious. At the very least we should get the ASIC posts out of FPGA.)

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June 24, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
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Agreed, ASIC is not the same as FPGA, its time to make a sub-category ASIC!

Ditto !
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June 24, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
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Or even give BFL its own sub-forum...so we have something to watch when the shit-storm ensues.

I agree with this even more Wink

Get your popcorn ready folks !

Can we please have an ASIC forum !
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June 24, 2012, 10:07:37 PM
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I propose we create a subforum "Mining > Hardware > Speculative" and empower admins to relocate to this subforum any thread dealing with stuff that isn't currently available for third-party verification.

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June 24, 2012, 10:08:22 PM
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I propose we create a subforum "Mining > Hardware > Speculative" and empower admins to relocate to this subforum any thread dealing with stuff that isn't currently available for third-party verification.

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June 25, 2012, 02:12:22 AM
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I propose we create a subforum "Mining > Hardware > Speculative" and empower admins to relocate to this subforum any thread dealing with stuff that isn't currently available for third-party verification.

Ask theymos.

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June 27, 2012, 04:53:08 PM
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Yes, seperate ASIC and FPGA in the forum. Its utterly cluttered in the fpga section now.

(anyone thought of a hashing algorithm that uses sha256 first and something only fpga and gpu/cpu can hash after it. Kind of an hybrid hashing solution, making it harder for anyone to take over the network, because you would need fast sha256 hardware and hardware for the second hash alogorithm, still owuld pose a change on the ahhing algorithm, but better than just leaving asics out....)

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June 28, 2012, 10:12:17 AM
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Agree.  Can we please separate BFL or "developing products" from the FPGA section?
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June 29, 2012, 04:33:56 AM
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I agree with this notion

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June 29, 2012, 04:49:39 AM
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I don't like the idea of creating "Speculative" or "BFL" sections, as they are very specific to this situation. I want sections to be more general.

I don't follow the mining scene at all anymore. What FPGA mining hardware and ASIC mining hardware is available now, and what are the fundamental differences between these two technologies? I don't remember why this section is called "FPGA" rather than "ASIC" (which is better-suited for mining IIRC) or just "custom hardware".

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June 29, 2012, 05:03:43 AM
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I don't like the idea of creating "Speculative" or "BFL" sections, as they are very specific to this situation. I want sections to be more general.

I don't follow the mining scene at all anymore. What FPGA mining hardware and ASIC mining hardware is available now, and what are the fundamental differences between these two technologies? I don't remember why this section is called "FPGA" rather than "ASIC" (which is better-suited for mining IIRC) or just "custom hardware".

Hm I think a nice compromise would be to add "and ASIC" to the FPGA section to read "FPGA & ASIC"

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June 29, 2012, 05:06:38 AM
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Renamed to custom hardware for now. If you think it should be split, tell me why.

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June 29, 2012, 05:08:04 AM
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I don't like the idea of creating "Speculative" or "BFL" sections, as they are very specific to this situation. I want sections to be more general.

I don't follow the mining scene at all anymore. What FPGA mining hardware and ASIC mining hardware is available now, and what are the fundamental differences between these two technologies? I don't remember why this section is called "FPGA" rather than "ASIC" (which is better-suited for mining IIRC) or just "custom hardware".
Why ? becasue the subject related to GPUs, fpga, and asics are far from being the same.

Gpu = general computing
Fpga = soldering, programing
Asic = big business, VLSI, chip manufacturing, licensing

There is no reason to add an ASIC sub beside FPGA as there is a reason to name one CPU, other than for historical reasons.

You should rename FPGA to Custom Hardware / development right now and ponder on adding a "Mining speculation" sub.

Mining speculation would discuss scenarios of the mining ecosystem, (the discutions possiblility are endless, )  Take for example : The mining market balance https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88766.0

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June 29, 2012, 05:08:15 AM
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Renamed to custom hardware for now. If you think it should be split, tell me why.

I'm against the split, but it should be FPGA/ASIC, custom is too vague

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June 29, 2012, 05:13:11 AM
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I would also add a GPU section because free electricity kids will be mining on their high end GPU to the end of time and will forever to be an annoyance to the community.  (sorry to sound ageist)
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June 29, 2012, 05:13:44 AM
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Mining speculation would discuss scenario to the mining ecosystem, (the discutions possiblility are endless, )  Take for example : The mining market balance https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88766.0

Good idea. Done.

I'm against the split, but it should be FPGA/ASIC, custom is too vague

What topics count as "custom hardware" that shouldn't be in this section?

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June 29, 2012, 05:15:00 AM
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I would also add a GPU section because free electricity kids will be mining on their high end GPU to the end of time and will forever to be an annoyance to the community.  (sorry to sound ageist)

This is what the top-level Hardware section is for, I think.

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June 29, 2012, 05:16:35 AM
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Mining speculation would discuss scenario to the mining ecosystem, (the discutions possiblility are endless, )  Take for example : The mining market balance https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88766.0

Good idea. Done.

I'm against the split, but it should be FPGA/ASIC, custom is too vague

What topics count as "custom hardware" that shouldn't be in this section?

Its just non-obvious.

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June 29, 2012, 05:19:49 AM
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Mining speculation would discuss scenario to the mining ecosystem, (the discutions possiblility are endless, )  Take for example : The mining market balance https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88766.0

Good idea. Done.

I'm against the split, but it should be FPGA/ASIC, custom is too vague

What topics count as "custom hardware" that shouldn't be in this section?

Its just non-obvious.
Custom could also be defined as dedicated.

Granted FPGA chips are polyvalent but their implementation make them dedicated miners.
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