VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position

[SavellM]

Arrrgggggg.....

Listen to yourself.

You said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."

What do you think I did!?!?!?!?!
What do you think was in that link?

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[Muhammed Zakir]

Arrrgggggg.....

Listen to yourself.

You said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."

What do you think I did!?!?!?!?!
What do you think was in that link?

Yes. He doesn't leave *just* for asking loan. He left because you don't have a reputation to be able to trust with 7.5BTC and you were lying in that thread too.

[SavellM]

Arrrgggggg.....

Listen to yourself.

You said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."

What do you think I did!?!?!?!?!
What do you think was in that link?

Yes. He doesn't leave *just* for asking loan. He left because you don't have a reputation to be able to trust with 7.5BTC and you were lying in that thread too.

MK, stop being a Vod fanboy.

What do you think that post was?
Where did I lie? If its about waiting then stuff it, I dont need to live by Vods rules on other sites.

How about this, I'm going to leave you negative feedback the next time you Google anything.

Does this sound fair to you? Does this mean im abusing the trust settings in Bitcointalk?

[SavellM]

Well I tried to PM Vod to end this amicability but he has blocked me so Vod, read this:

Hi there.

So as you can see I have paid back this loan.
https://btcjam.com/listings/44059-building-investments

So you wanna remove your negative feedback and I will do the same and we part ways?
Clearly I am no scam considering its paid back, cause you know scams dont pay back loans because they dont care about their rep.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Arrrgggggg.....

Listen to yourself.

You said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."

What do you think I did!?!?!?!?!
What do you think was in that link?

Yes. He doesn't leave *just* for asking loan. He left because you don't have a reputation to be able to trust with 7.5BTC and you were lying in that thread too.

MK, stop being a Vod fanboy.

MZ not MK. I am not a Vod fanboy. You are missing a point and I am trying to poin it.

What do you think that post was?

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

Where did I lie? If its about waiting then stuff it, I dont need to live by Vods rules on other sites.

You didn't look my feedback, did you?

How about this, I'm going to leave you negative feedback the next time you Google anything.

Does this sound fair to you? Does this mean im abusing the trust settings in Bitcointalk?

Your choice. To answer your question, 'it depends'.

[legendster]

Well I tried to PM Vod to end this amicability but he has blocked me so Vod, read this:

Hi there.

So as you can see I have paid back this loan.
https://btcjam.com/listings/44059-building-investments

So you wanna remove your negative feedback and I will do the same and we part ways?
Clearly I am no scam considering its paid back, cause you know scams dont pay back loans because they dont care about their rep.

Chill your pill bro, even I was 'attacked' by Quickseller when I posted a loan on Jam based on a deal on this forum. These wanna be vigilantes will go to ANY extent to prove their worth to this community. Vod LEFT Jam cuz Jam as a funding platform didnt endorse his nuisance.

But hey Quickie Boy's raNting Voodo master's over-zealousness didnt stop you from getting a loan, you got it & have repaid it as well (I was an investor). So just relax and prove your worth over time. By the time when you have spent a million days on this forum and proved to the community about your legibility; those Vod/Quickseller negs on you would automatically become redundant, stupid & embarrassing & they will remove it themselves.

(did I screw up my grammar with themselves ??)

Make no mistake, Vod / Quickie Boy are good guys here but they're also arrogant in some cases and as it stands now have the potential to defame ANYONE.

[SavellM]

Well thanks for investing, and glad I someone here gets it.

But anyway I detest looking at my account and seeing in bright red: "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!"

This is an unfair characterization due to Vod being overzealous!
This is my one and only gripe I now have been labeled even tho I did not scam anyone, and have stayed true to my word @ BTCjam.

Lastly I have no rant with Quickboy just Vod

[legendster]

Well thanks for investing, and glad I someone here gets it.

But anyway I detest looking at my account and seeing in bright red: "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!"

This is an unfair characterization due to Vod being overzealous!
This is my one and only gripe I now have been labeled even tho I did not scam anyone, and have stayed true to my word @ BTCjam.

Lastly I have no rant with Quickboy just Vod

You wanna entertain yourself go see how I was criticized when I tried to start something big a long time ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195234.0;

[SavellM]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

[Muhammed Zakir]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

[Tomatocage1]

Wow look at my scam!
Its even paid back...

https://btcjam.com/listings/44059-building-investments

Take a look!

I've always been of the opinion that Vod does a good job of outting scammers, but should probably fine-tune his alert threshold. Also needs to be a lot more diligent about going back and reviewing past cases and reevaluating whether they still warrant a negative rating. I'm not beyond editing my Trust list to remove those who clearly and consistently get out of hand.

I mean, that is if/when I can get access to my actual account restored

[SavellM]

Wow look at my scam!
Its even paid back...

https://btcjam.com/listings/44059-building-investments

Take a look!

I've always been of the opinion that Vod does a good job of outting scammers, but should probably fine-tune his alert threshold. Also needs to be a lot more diligent about going back and reviewing past cases and reevaluating whether they still warrant a negative rating. I'm not beyond editing my Trust list to remove those who clearly and consistently get out of hand.

I mean, that is if/when I can get access to my actual account restored

I agree, and this is all I am asking.

[SavellM]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

Once again you said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."
But apparently you say I "you are asking an indirect loan here", which clearly in my original thread I clarify that I was not looking for a loan here but on BTCjam.
So where do I stand with your biased view?
I am fine under your terms of advertising my BTCjam link, and also NOT fine under your same terms of posting a BTCjam link here.

Do the math

[Muhammed Zakir]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

Once again you said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."
But apparently you say I "you are asking an indirect loan here", which clearly in my original thread I clarify that I was not looking for a loan here but on BTCjam.
So where do I stand with your biased view?
I am fine under your terms of advertising my BTCjam link, and also NOT fine under your same terms of posting a BTCjam link here.

Do the math

I mean he doesn't leave negative feedback only because you advertised your loan listing here. He left you negative feedback because you didn't have any trust to ask for 7.5BTC loan.

[SavellM]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

Once again you said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."
But apparently you say I "you are asking an indirect loan here", which clearly in my original thread I clarify that I was not looking for a loan here but on BTCjam.
So where do I stand with your biased view?
I am fine under your terms of advertising my BTCjam link, and also NOT fine under your same terms of posting a BTCjam link here.

Do the math

I mean he doesn't leave negative feedback only because you advertised your loan listing here. He left you negative feedback because you didn't have any trust to ask for 7.5BTC loan.

Its still one and the same...

[Muhammed Zakir]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

Once again you said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."
But apparently you say I "you are asking an indirect loan here", which clearly in my original thread I clarify that I was not looking for a loan here but on BTCjam.
So where do I stand with your biased view?
I am fine under your terms of advertising my BTCjam link, and also NOT fine under your same terms of posting a BTCjam link here.

Do the math

I mean he doesn't leave negative feedback only because you advertised your loan listing here. He left you negative feedback because you didn't have any trust to ask for 7.5BTC loan.

Its still one and the same...

'Trust' is the main problem. If you have good trust, he will not leave you a negative feedback but you didn't have to ask 7.5BTC loan.

[SavellM]

You asking *Bitcointalk* lenders to fulfill your loan request.

No I am not, and if you look through the origional thread I even just saw this:

Lastly you can see my details are verified on BTCjam so I am who I say I am at least there.
And along with other exchanges.

I am not asking for a direct loan here, but through BTCjam.

According to your view, you are asking an indirect loan here. That is enough for a negative feedback as you don't have any trust here.

Once again you said: "I haven't seen him leaving a negative feedback for just advertising BTCJam link here."
But apparently you say I "you are asking an indirect loan here", which clearly in my original thread I clarify that I was not looking for a loan here but on BTCjam.
So where do I stand with your biased view?
I am fine under your terms of advertising my BTCjam link, and also NOT fine under your same terms of posting a BTCjam link here.

Do the math

I mean he doesn't leave negative feedback only because you advertised your loan listing here. He left you negative feedback because you didn't have any trust to ask for 7.5BTC loan.

Its still one and the same...

'Trust' is the main problem. If you have good trust, he will not leave you a negative feedback but you didn't have to ask 7.5BTC loan.

But this is not what Vod or you said or required at first.
You are changing the goal posts.
Also I did have trust up to the level of A on BTCjam... That is where I was asking for the loan.
My trust was adequate there for the needs.

I seriously wish I never did ask, as I wouldn't have to deal with you and Vod.
I could continue on my merry way making loans and still paying them back.

[legendster]

lol MZ bro stop fighting Vod's battles for him. Jam's loan request system doesnt ask for a collateral deposit. Its a choice based investment platform. If Vod's action has to be justified then anyone asking for a loan on Jam or Blc or BTCpop or Prosper etc are frauds and scammers.

[Vod]

I've always been of the opinion that Vod does a good job of outting scammers, but should probably fine-tune his alert threshold. Also needs to be a lot more diligent about going back and reviewing past cases and reevaluating whether they still warrant a negative rating. I'm not beyond editing my Trust list to remove those who clearly and consistently get out of hand.

I agree, and this is all I am asking.

I have reviewed the case.  Here is what I found, based on this thread and the original one now in Archive.

1) SavellM asked for a 7.5 btc loan without collateral
2) Vod tagged SavellM with negative trust for asking for such a large loan without collateral
3) SavellM begged Vod to remove negative trust and said he would not ask for another loan until June 15
4) Based on that, Vod agreed to remove the negative trust, even though his policy was to wait 30 days
5) SavellM: "Then I realized why the fuck should I listen to you?"
6) SavellM then unilaterally changed the terms and asked for another loan, nullifying the agreement.
7) Vod re-added the negative trust.

What you did is basically the same as a kid coming to the door, offering to mow someone's lawn for $100 and asking for the money up front to buy a lawn mower.  Once he gets the money he thinks "fuck that guy, I'm not going to do all that work" and spends the money on bubblegum and candy.  

The negative trust will stay on for now.  You screwed up once, I gave you more than a second chance - I trusted you and removed the negative trust before my 30 day policy.  You screwed up again.  There is no reason to give you a third chance, esp when it's an open and shut case that you are a liar.  

Paying off your current loan on BTCJam is just to build trust so you can scam more later.  As evidenced from your original jump from 1btc to 7.5btc.  

You're going to have to keep your scam on BTCJam^TM.  

[SavellM]

Vod I will continue to plead my case, but it falls on your deaf ears.

Just because I chase to utilize a different website that you wish to control.
I quit, and you can leave your feedback for all I care anymore.
I'm sorry that I did not follow YOUR rules for how I use my own personal time on other sites.

If others wish to take a gamble and invest that is their wish on BTCjam, not here.
All I see is abuse of the Trust system over here. So far I have been true to my word on BTCjam by paying back my 2 loans well early.
My loans have helped me trade what I needed to when I needed it, which is why I did not wait until the 15th as I saw an opportunity to make back my earnings now.

So do what you wish... I'll let the community decide how far I need to fight you to prove my innocence and my keep my own rep.
Cause all this for a guy that is a scam artist that doesnt care about rep, it sure looks like I dont care doesnt it!