VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position

[OgNasty]

Maybe because it isn’t their family that’s being harassed by a mentally ill stalker and their reputations being smeared all over the Internet for doing nothing but trying to help this community and standing up for the truth. The fact “nobody cares” is beyond sad and a massive failure that should be addressed.

Funny this coming from someone who's been peddling an unproved accusation from a known extortionist site.

If you're being harassed IRL go to police IRL. Lashing out at everyone here isn't going to help you.

I’m not lashing out at everyone. I’m pointing out that people like you are what is wrong with the trust network. You’re now going as far as saying real world trades don’t matter for trust ratings. You’ll do and say anything to try and push false narratives.

Vod is also the one who sent me the link stating he was a pedophile. I never started the rumor. It was in full swing long before Vod sent me the message seemingly outing himself as a pedophile. I didn’t want anything to do with that. The fact that he sent me links to pedophile nonsense at all was both confusing and disturbing. I had to block him to stop the pedophile nonsense and despite that he still spends a majority of his time begging for my attention. He’s like you, quick to lie about things like him spreading a rumor and trying to blame me for being honest. It’s honestly pathetic that anyone in this community believes either of you. Maybe the low IQ and inability of members here to see the truth is why most successful people run screaming from this place as soon as they become multi-millionaires. I should probably follow their lead but I actually care about this place and am disgusted with people like you, Vod, and LoyceV who have shown themselves willing to engage in the shadiest of behavior if it means a couple more scammers will add you to their trust network. Pathetic and weak. No wonder you’re all such triggered liberals. It shows in your every action.

[suchmoon]

You’re now going as far as saying real world trades don’t matter for trust ratings.

Don't lie, it's not cool. What I said is that your claims that some noob who bought trinkets from you are "unlikely to scam anyone" seem questionable and probably useless or even harmful for DT. But that's my opinion. As long as more people believe that this is exactly what DT needs - you have nothing to worry about. You can keep farming trust and claiming to be "most trusted" or whatever your title of the day is.

outing himself as a pedophile

Even if you were dumb enough to interpret it that way at the time, you had many opportunities to say "oops, I made a mistake, it's an anonymous accusation on an extortionist site, maybe I shouldn't have taken it seriously". But it fits your narrative and you think it somehow helps in your fight with Vod so you keep peddling it as a fact. And as a bonus you can twist it into blaming some other people who had the audacity to not worship your pompous highness.

[nutildah]

All I read was you are incapable of stepping up and being the bigger man.

As suchmoon said, RL problems require RL solutions. If you have a RL problem with Vod, keep it that way, leave us out of it. We don't fucking care.

[OgNasty]

All I read was you are incapable of stepping up and being the bigger man.

As suchmoon said, RL problems require RL solutions. If you have a RL problem with Vod, keep it that way, leave us out of it. We don't fucking care.

This is exactly the attitude of users that belong nowhere near the trust network.  You think it's absolutely fine for Vod to lie and harass me both on and outside of the forum and think I'm the problem for expecting people to distrust this behavior, which is exactly what the trust network was designed for.  You keep pretending like I'm the problem for voicing something that is horribly wrong, while I think the problem is that people "don't fucking care" so long as the abusers "leave us out of it."  What a cowardly position to take.  I understand it though.  Why stand up for what's right and end up getting trolled forever by suchmoon, Vod, ibminer, etc. when you could just join in on the harassment and get to be a part of the DT manipulation club?  It's the path of least resistance, so it's the path the weak will walk.

I guess what really rubs me the wrong way is that the same people who TECSHARE was harassed constantly by and argued this with endlessly until his death are the same people pretending they cared about him in his memorial thread.  The depths these users will sink know no bounds and everyone giving them a pass because they don't want to have their name dragged through the mud like the example they're trying to make out of me is just sad for the forum.  I don't give a fuck about me personally, that's not why I fight these abusers.  I'm set for life already.  I care about this forum turning into a shithole controlled by scammers and trolls since it has enabled me to make so many of my dreams come true.  I don't want to close that door behind me for others or leave the inside of that room a mess.

Now if we're done trying to turn yet another thread of someone else's bad behavior into a thread about my good behavior as if it were bad, maybe it's time people started thinking for themselves about why they are OK with Vod's behavior.  Is it a positive reason that's good for the forum, or is it because they're scared of the never ending retaliation?

[suchmoon]

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Bringing up dead people to support your narcissistic fantasies, real classy. But you know what - despite you being a massive dickhead I reckon most people whom you're blaming for your problems would still find nice things to say in your memorial thread. I bet you have no fucking clue why it works that way.

[OgNasty]

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Bringing up dead people to support your narcissistic fantasies, real classy. But you know what - despite you being a massive dickhead I reckon most people whom you're blaming for your problems would still find nice things to say in your memorial thread. I bet you have no fucking clue why it works that way.

It works that way because some people are two faced trash that don't appreciate others while they are here doing good things.  You can rest assured that if I live to see your memorial thread, I will say the same things about you when you're gone as I would to your face now.  I would appreciate that same courtesy. 

Imagine purposely withholding your true feelings about someone until after they're dead because you would rather troll them while they're alive.  I appreciated TECSHARE while he was alive.  I let him know repeatedly that he was fighting the good fight and that he had my support.  I stuck up for him and threw myself into your and Vod's web of trolling deceit when I saw he was being treated unfairly.  You trolling him while he was alive and then saying nice things once he's dead isn't honorable or respectful, it's delusional and self serving.  So while you call me continuing to support TECSHARE after his death narcissistic, I would say you trolling him endlessly while he was alive to then go and pretend you had a positive relationship after his death is typical of the type of manipulative fake person you are.

As for the actual topic of this thread, started by TECSHARE and being derailed by suchmoon for old time's sake...  At this point everyone knows that distrusting Vod is the right thing to do.  There's nearly a decade worth of evidence that he's a terribly negative person that lies constantly and will do anything to try and hurt others.  He's abused the trust network, abused his merit source position, broken multiple forum rules, told countless lies, and has basically had a mental breakdown in public for all to see.  Yet instead of trying to steer him on the right path you took advantage of his failing mental state and financial position to steal his BPIP project and then pretend to be his friend by helping empower him to attack others with lies and destroy his reputation.  What a good deal for you...  It's time people stopped letting crooked DT members like suchmoon use Vod's mental instability as a weapon and he's removed from DT.

[suchmoon]

You can rest assured that if I live to see your memorial thread, I will say the same things about you when you're gone as I would to your face now.

Makes perfect sense. I'm sure you're a hit at funerals.

pretend you had a positive relationship

I did no such thing. I said that TECSHARE was a fierce opponent or something to that effect, and that's true regardless of our disagreements. You're either unable to comprehend even the simplest concepts or just plain lying.

[Quickseller]

+43 pages talking about Vod...   

If you add the thread about Vod in reputation, it is nearly 100 pages of active threads about Vod. If you add the old threads about Vod, there are probably 500+ pages of threads about Vod. That is ten thousand posts.

That many posts, over such a long time should prompt some questions.

[TwitchySeal]

That many posts, over such a long time should prompt some questions.

Questions that have almost certainly been addressed already. 

[Quickseller]

That many posts, over such a long time should prompt some questions.

Questions that have almost certainly been addressed already. 

There are certain behaviors that have been promised to not be repeated that have repeated been repeated after a few months hiatus.

Vod posted what he thought was my dox and contacted what he thought was my employer over $4 worth of escrow fees that had already been repaid. He posted OgN’s dox over OgN alleged dishonesty. He has posted others’ doxs over petty arguments.

People include Vod in their trust lists because of the positives he adds to the trust system but ignores the negatives, and the negative affect on the community.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You’re now going as far as saying real world trades don’t matter for trust ratings.

Don't lie, it's not cool. What I said is that your claims that some noob who bought trinkets from you are "unlikely to scam anyone" seem questionable and probably useless or even harmful for DT.

This is a great example of how two people interpreting a statement two different ways can lead to hard feelings and grudges.  Sadly I'm seeing way too much of that in threads like this, and it'd be nice if either something was proven conclusively (instead of all these accusations for which I don't see much proof) or people would just bury the hatchet and let other people be as long as nobody's hurting anyone else.  And if someone was a pedophile and was doing illegal shit to that end, that should be reported--but I don't think there's any evidence that either Vod or OgNasty are guilty of that.

pretend you had a positive relationship

I did no such thing. I said that TECSHARE was a fierce opponent or something to that effect, and that's true regardless of our disagreements. You're either unable to comprehend even the simplest concepts or just plain lying.

Yet another example.  This could be OgNasty hearing what he wants to hear, but I'm not sure.

[suchmoon]

Yet another example.  This could be OgNasty hearing what he wants to hear, but I'm not sure.

Well, I didn't quote the other part of that post where he was blatantly making shit up - don't wanna feed his trollyness too much - although you can probably guess which part that is. I appreciate you trying to be open minded about it but this is not the first or 20th time he's lied so pretty much anything he says, particularly about people he has beef with, is more than likely false.

[Laudanum]

OG is the only person on this forum that has been on DT that had the guts to use the trust system correctly.

I mean there is no correct way to use this broken trash of a design, but I mean by that that he was not deterred by the knowledge he would have his account and person attacked for doing the right thing.

He knew lauda, tman, owlcatz and their other slobbering scum pals would do all they could to attack him for correctly labelling those scumbags and scammer and protectors and supporters of scammers.  

For that I respect him more than VOD who admitted he dare not give a red tag or even remove his trust includes for this scamming scum simply because he feared they would ruin his own account.

That is cowardice and repulsive.

Vod should not be on DT.

Having said suchmoon deliberately and undeniably acted to prevent a legitimate scam warning on a proven scammer and constantly attempted to cast independently verifiable proof of scamming as lies and trolling.

I would say they are less suited to DT than Vod.

The only other person here Nutildah is the last remaining provably dirty and dangerous willing scam facilitator left on DT.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.0

The reader should be privy to all of this information to make an informed decision.

Theymos at the end of the day is responsible for proven scammers and willing scam facilitators for pay being on default trust and using his broken shambles of a trust system to block legitimate scam warnings and punish whistleblowers.  

OG nasty needs to fully man up and stop kissing up to theymos. Ask theymos to simply say red tags and flags must be based on proven scamming, strong evidence of attempting to scam or set up a scam.  Or must be directly linked to financially dangerous behaviors.

Not speaking up and supporting tecshares proposal which actually was exactly what CH has proposed many times but considered it may been received more keenly by someone like tecshare was a mistake, as was letting theymos broker a lauda OG reciprocal red tag retraction. Scammers and the financially dangerous must have red tags there is no messing about.

No other reasons are valid for leaving red tags or flags.
Vod is known for using red tags for personal retribution.
He is admittedly mentally unstable and I dont think it is fair to crush him too much hence his confusion as to why I go lighter on him than others. That and he clearly isn't a greedy person which is novel here.

Still he is not suitable at all for DT.

Anyone can be on DT if theymos had simply said what CH and TS and others had asked for for years.

I guess it is a case of don't hate the players hate the game.

Until there are sensible transparent and objective standards that are applied equally to all members, then most people that weasel their way on to DT and usually chipmixer are going to cheat and abuse the forum for their own ends.

Remove VOD and you'll only get another one from the same self serving greedy and corrupt pool of merit cyclers and socks take his place.

The changes need to happen at an admin level.

Theymos did actually listen to tecshare because I think he did know tecshare was a good guy and the sort of person you want more of in this community. I mean the flagging system was I think rolled in in part due to tecshare.

The problem is once again it was a sloppy and Ill conceived implementation.  One that sought to keep everyone happy.

There is no keeping people happy. Just roll in something transparent, objective and fair.
If some people are unhappy not being able to scam with impunity, block legitimate scam warnings and not being able to crush free speech and punish whistleblowers..... tough shit they can fuck off.

Vod should not be on DT, neither should most of the merit cycling chipmixer scum.

Why do you even need a DT system?
You simply need a set of transparent objective standards. Anyone breaking them is given a red tag and sig banned forever.
Anyone above full member  can report this and anyone above full member  can give them a red tag.

Anyone giving a red tag to those that dont meet those standards is banned.

There should also be punishment for those that try to conflate undeniable and independently verifiable evidence of scamming with trolling. These people are as dangerous as the scammers themselves.  

That's far more decentralized and will solve a lot of the bullshit, take the boot off of free speech and ensure all the other scammer advantages the current systems affords its abusers from inside the merit cycle club are shut off.

Merit should have NEVER have been seen as trust system / chipmixer  strategy credits.

The forum is still fixable from here. I could grow this forum back to a sensible size in no time.
Needs to be action taken at an admin level. This let the most greedy and driven have all the say and influence is hilarious.

It could still be the core hub for crypto. It should be.

[Vod]

Vod is also the one who sent me the link stating he was a pedophile. I never started the rumor.

1) I never sent you any link stating I was a pedophile.  You've posted a dozen times you are willing to prove it.
2) You started the rumor here maliciously, repeatedly, put your assets behind your words, and bragged about how your rumor cost me income.
3) You have continued this rumor until at least March 25, 2021, over three years after you blew it off "Martin the actor, who cares?"

I think the problem is that people "don't fucking care" so long as the abusers "leave us out of it."  What a cowardly position to take.

That was the last type of conversation I had with Og before he started a rumor I was a pedophile.   :/

Stop fucking with children and including my name, pervert.  I also don't care to hear about it anymore.

[TwitchySeal]

OG is the only person on this forum that has been on DT that had the guts to use the trust system correctly.

I mean there is no correct way to use this broken trash of a design, but I mean by that that he was not deterred by the knowledge he would have his account and person attacked for doing the right thing.

That's laughable.  For years he maintained a perfect record of zero negative feedback received or given throughout plenty of massive scams including many he was directly involved with (pirateat, BFL, etc.)  He obviously cared about protecting his own image too much to risk receiving retaliatory feedback even from  someone untrusted or new.

[DoubleAweSeven]

Interesting, now we're getting in the Pedophilia arc.

I would love to see some evidences to prove if Vod is a pedo.

[nutildah]

All I read was you are incapable of stepping up and being the bigger man.

As suchmoon said, RL problems require RL solutions. If you have a RL problem with Vod, keep it that way, leave us out of it. We don't fucking care.

(blaming and focus shifting)

You clearly have no idea what being the bigger man entails.