Scam Warning: WoodCollector

[Jookly]

I don't give a shit if this guy is legit or not because I would never buy an overpriced piece of wood in the first place, but I do know that when you are legit it is really easy to show people that.  If it was me being accused instead of replying to every troll that leaves their oppinion I would simply show them proof of my legitimacy.

I keep laughing about how Bill Cosby gets accused of rape and his response is basically "Would a innocent man need to defend himself?" -- very crypto

[OgNasty]

I have no dog in this fight and no knowledge of wood carving whatsoever.  I thought these pieces were beautiful.  What makes me suspicious of them being hand crafted is the speed they were being produced.

[fishb0ne]

LOL, Sounds fun, if i do it and make a video of if will you buy it? Tell me what your budget is and i will do it and make a video of it for you.

Using a financial barrier as leverage to shift the burden of proof does not send the right message here. What you're saying is "pay me money so I can prove to the community I am not misrepresenting my work".

You're still receiving orders for work, correct? You could just use an order at random. I was not suggesting you go out of your way for this.

I was suggesting that when you are going to work on your next ordered piece, just set up a camera and take a short video of one of the intricate carvings that you were accused of having misrepresented how the work is being done. I have no dog in this fight and I am not making any sort of accusations, I was merely suggesting a very effective way to put this to bed, forever.

[nubbins]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

[WoodCollector]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.


EDIT: or is it that you missed the part where my clients have already publicly told you that your claims are false as they, as paying clients, have seen the proof already? Do you really want to keep whipping a dead horse? i have no problem putting this to bed, either once smoothie agrees to my terms, our you realize you made a mistake and fix it. I am a reasonable man, are you?

[deliveryman]

There is 10,000% a reason to leave negative trust for him permanently for poor conduct on the forum.

I beg to differ. His doubts are reasonable and voiced in the "correct" way here in "Scam Accusations".

If nubbins would have conducted himself in a professional manner, Contacted me with his questions, hell maybe eve a request for a small piece out of non exotic wood and a video of me carving it to settle his curiousit, i would have provided him with every bit of everything that all my clients already know and have.

Well, then where's your reason not to settle this right now, right here, once and for all?

He deserves a million times to be scorned for acting in such a rude, unprofessional manner, it is antics like his that cause good people to leave the community when they are the ones providing the true blessings to this place.

It is people like him who have detected scams on this forum in the past and warned others about it, over and over again.

It is not people like him. Hes doubting, so therefore he should not conclude anything. The title is misleading and not helping in any way. A better title would be: "Im wondering if WoodCollector is a geniune handscrafter".
It is people like Nubbins fucking up this community.

Again, I have bought my Resolute piece from WoodCollector and i can tell that he is legit. He even wanted to do Golden in-lay. I saw all progress being made. Now if you idiots would stop this nonsense we can truly live in a better world.

[BitcoinDistributor]

If Smoothie doesn't want to agree to such terms I will do it, I think your work is absolutely beautiful. You can use the cheapest wood or whatever, they still look amazing and I'd def want one.

As others said though, 3 pages of this was not useful and useless IMO, should just get that video going man.

[Blazr]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

[fishb0ne]

Again, I have bought my Resolute piece from WoodCollector and i can tell that he is legit. He even wanted to do Golden in-lay. I saw all progress being made. Now if you idiots would stop this nonsense we can truly live in a better world.

Hey deliveryman! I know that WoodCollector mentioned what kind of progress updates he provides, can you clarify for the community what you received? Can you also mention what, specifically, was provided to show that the intricate carving was all done by hand? I am struggling to come up with another way that you could show a skeptic that the work was actually done by hand, short of a video. People will always come up with ways to discredit anything else, but I think a video would be indisputable. What are your thoughts?

[marcotheminer]

I must say, this thread was an interesting read. WoodCollector I would recommend for you to just prove yourself once and for all (if you are indeed legitimate).

[redsn0w]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

No you are wrong , I think he is in the defaultTrust... his negative feedback against WoodCollector appears in the "Trusted feedback".

[Jookly]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.


EDIT: or is it that you missed the part where my clients have already publicly told you that your claims are false as they, as paying clients, have seen the proof already? Do you really want to keep whipping a dead horse? i have no problem putting this to bed, either once smoothie agrees to my terms, our you realize you made a mistake and fix it. I am a reasonable man, are you?

Did you miss the part where all anyone is asking for is a little bit of proof that you are capable of producing the detail and accuracy you claim to be able to?  It would be as simple as carving "nubbins is a fool" into a piece of wood.

I never heard about your carving before today, but I have spent a lot of time cutting wood with an epiologe laser cutter.  I don't think any of the evidence so far is conclusive but your responses show that you find it unnecessary or difficult to produce proof.  Then you talk about nubbin's unprofessionalism?  He is just a person accusing you of being dishonest, you are supposed to be the professional, not him.

[Blazr]

You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

No you are wrong , I think he is in the defaultTrust... his negative feedback against WoodCollector appears in the "Trusted feedback".

My apologies, I forgot I have a custom list. Well he's not trusted on my fixed trust list anyway

[TECSHARE]

Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

[Blazr]

Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

Ignore lists and custom trust lists are a god send. Everybody should use them, makes the forum so much better.

[fishb0ne]

Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

This is precisely why I interjected, in an attempt to offer the simplest solution I could think of to this whole thing, before we find ourselves on page sixty in this thread with nothing productive having come out of it.

[Jookly]

Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

This is precisely why I interjected, in an attempt to offer the simplest solution I could think of to this whole thing, before we find ourselves on page sixty in this thread with nothing productive having come out of it.

It should be pretty clear that the only productive outcome of this discussion would be the accused providing evidence of their abilities.  If that cannot occur then the thread will just be entertainment.

[erwin45hacked]

Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

agree, sad thing in the trust system is to be trustedm you must earn trust, which sometimes turns out to be a witch hunt , turns out to be "accusing someone wrong to make myself looks good" system

[nubbins]

TECSHARE has it right, this thread sucks. I also think several of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

Go back and read this post right here, where I first stumbled across the guy's work. I complimented it, as I did at the start of this thread.

I then expressed confusion about his pricing structure, to which he replied right here that he actually charges $3k/hr, but $18/hr is the special price for us. Imagine a $3k/hour artisan saying "fuck it, I'll do it for $18/hour, and just try a LOT LESS HARD".

This was obviously taking the piss (Special price on a hand-tailored suit, sir? Just for you...). Obviously. If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself.

At this point, I suspected that if the guy was going to be so blatantly full of shit about how much money he makes, he's probably bullshitting about how much his wood costs, how long his pieces take to make, everything. A cursory examination of the circumstantial evidence (loans for tools, brand-new account but familiar with BFL, making drug paraphernalia on his lathe, etc) combined with the fact that his designs REALLY ARE ACTUALLY QUITE NICE (seriously) but the shapes he cuts out are ACTUALLY EMBARRASSINGLY POOR  (for a "master artisan"), combined with the fact that several laser engravers have chimed in to say that they believe the pieces are laser engraved, combined with the fact that the only surfaces not etched are the flat inner and outer edges that can't be lasered, lead me to the most obvious conclusion: that he's in fact a mediocre woodworker and a decent graphic designer, pretending that his laser-cut designs (literally the exact same as pressing "print" in photoshop) are somehow hand-carved.

Any master craftsman would have a portfolio of high-end work to show potential clients. Any craftsman who has been working for more than a few years is a fucking idiot if they don't have a portfolio of their high-end work, including process pictures. My threads are littered with them. But the best this guy can produce is this:



THE FUCKING WOOD CHIPS ARE NOT EVEN THE SAME COLOUR AS THE BLANK.

Christ, you people. I'm done.

[fishb0ne]

Does anyone disagree that the preponderance of evidence presented so far points to the intricate designs being laser cut?