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January 27, 2015, 03:41:39 AM |
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That's gotta be the funniest thing i've seen in a while. But still, I hope WoodCollector will redeem himself.
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January 27, 2015, 03:46:40 AM |
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Wrong.
This is not proof of anything except that you had a conversation with him and he showed you some pictures, but hey, everyone knows if you repeat your bullshit enough times some of it might stick right? You are still in fact judging him guilty before any proof was presented. Your unanswered questions and speculation of his guilt based on a conversation you had and a picture of carving tools is not proof of anything. I've worked with a laser engraver and his work does look laser engraved so I told him directly what I thought. See my long post above where I approached him nicely about it in dec 2014.
So no you can't say there wasn't any evidence that he was being dishonest as he already has been proven dishonest by saying he never said he does original/custom work but then I have found several of his own posts where he clearly and strongly implies he does do original work...just to find out he uses clip art off of the internet. So no...he now has reason to be doubted as he misrepresented himself as an artist that does original/custom work.
Burden of proof is on WoodCollector.
I own a laser engraver. This looks nothing like laser engraving. Laser engraved pieces are left CHARRED not just darker than the surrounding wood. High RPM rotary tools have that effect, not laser etchers. As far as him supposedly lying, I already addressed this point multiple times. He used LICENSED works which were then MODIFIED, making it under law a DERIVATIVE WORK of which he has the LEGAL RIGHT to claim as his own. Furthermore he NEVER DENIED using stock images as a base. Again, all of your claims are baseless and based on theories, not facts.
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January 27, 2015, 03:57:55 AM |
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No of course it couldn't be something simple like he used a hand guided router to carve it out, that would make far too much sense. Lets also gloss over the fact that a laser burner CHARS THE WOOD. The carved parts are darker (like from friction), NOT CHARRED BLACK like a laser engraver does.
If he used a hand guided router, he would have video taped it because it would have helped his cause, but he didn't. So either he didn't\can't do it or he's trolling us, either way, I've seen enough to conclude this isn't worth any more of my time. The outer circles, sure, no problem. The letters would be a pretty amazing job of handrouting, but whatever. Can anyone really try and suggest that the hand was handrouted though? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnew.tinygrab.com%2Fbfcdacf8cbc181b1c72221d5b3cb967d3ce3ffe9cd.png&t=665&c=ZylThV7pVoyU6w) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnew.tinygrab.com%2Fbfcdacf8cb7ea55be47a9efbe2391a253bd8e1e66e.png&t=665&c=ACZiIbJyGU6t7w) Let me ask you a simple question MrTeal. If this was in fact laser engraved, how come I do not see stacked lines of laser etching anywhere? The lines all look PERFECTLY SMOOTH, as if a ROUTER did it. Laser etchers stack lines on top of each other to form a pattern, they don't etch perfectly carved pieces without a pixelated edge. At best they use outlines which are then stacked inside of each other, again still leaving pixelation. Additionally, where is the black char from the laser engraver? Laser engravers BURN wood, the marks left clearly look like FRICTION BURNS FROM A ROTARY TOOL.
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January 27, 2015, 04:05:10 AM |
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Wrong.
This is not proof of anything except that you had a conversation with him and he showed you some pictures, but hey, everyone knows if you repeat your bullshit enough times some of it might stick right? You are still in fact judging him guilty before any proof was presented. Your unanswered questions and speculation of his guilt based on a conversation you had and a picture of carving tools is not proof of anything. I've worked with a laser engraver and his work does look laser engraved so I told him directly what I thought. See my long post above where I approached him nicely about it in dec 2014.
So no you can't say there wasn't any evidence that he was being dishonest as he already has been proven dishonest by saying he never said he does original/custom work but then I have found several of his own posts where he clearly and strongly implies he does do original work...just to find out he uses clip art off of the internet. So no...he now has reason to be doubted as he misrepresented himself as an artist that does original/custom work.
Burden of proof is on WoodCollector.
I own a laser engraver. This looks nothing like laser engraving. Laser engraved pieces are left CHARRED not just darker than the surrounding wood. High RPM rotary tools have that effect, not laser etchers. As far as him supposedly lying, I already addressed this point multiple times. He used LICENSED works which were then MODIFIED, making it under law a DERIVATIVE WORK of which he has the LEGAL RIGHT to claim as his own. Furthermore he NEVER DENIED using stock images as a base. Again, all of your claims are baseless and based on theories, not facts. LOL I like how you overlook your own mispeak in saying that people judged him first and then I show you where I did not judge him initially until he started to show how we operates in light of opposition (cussing, being childish) then when it came out that he was misrepresenting himself that is when he showed that he operates in a shady manner saying that he does original work when he then admits he uses clip art. The funny thing is that you already claimed to KNOW how WC was doing the engraving for the stencil...then you back pedaled to say "he could do it with ...". Sorry buddy you contradict yourself on so many levels it is funny. As I asked before are you and Goat brothers as you both have a similar way of trying to retort, get owned, then make like you never were wrong in your presumptions/statements. Please try harder TECHSHARE as you can't admit that I did approach him professionally and without judgement. You obviously can't take being wrong, sorry I mean you can't take being proven wrong in your claims.
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Wrong.
This is not proof of anything except that you had a conversation with him and he showed you some pictures, but hey, everyone knows if you repeat your bullshit enough times some of it might stick right? You are still in fact judging him guilty before any proof was presented. Your unanswered questions and speculation of his guilt based on a conversation you had and a picture of carving tools is not proof of anything. I've worked with a laser engraver and his work does look laser engraved so I told him directly what I thought. See my long post above where I approached him nicely about it in dec 2014.
So no you can't say there wasn't any evidence that he was being dishonest as he already has been proven dishonest by saying he never said he does original/custom work but then I have found several of his own posts where he clearly and strongly implies he does do original work...just to find out he uses clip art off of the internet. So no...he now has reason to be doubted as he misrepresented himself as an artist that does original/custom work.
Burden of proof is on WoodCollector.
I own a laser engraver. This looks nothing like laser engraving. Laser engraved pieces are left CHARRED not just darker than the surrounding wood. High RPM rotary tools have that effect, not laser etchers. As far as him supposedly lying, I already addressed this point multiple times. He used LICENSED works which were then MODIFIED, making it under law a DERIVATIVE WORK of which he has the LEGAL RIGHT to claim as his own. Furthermore he NEVER DENIED using stock images as a base. Again, all of your claims are baseless and based on theories, not facts. Using CLIP ART and then... Saying he tailors his designs to his customers and he does custom work is proof enough for me that he operates in a shady manner. They are not the same. ORIGINAL != DERIVATIVE WORK as he never said that in any of his postings about his pieces. Now he would be operating on a technicality which he and we all know is bullshit as what he was going for was "GENUINE NON-DERIVATIVE ORIGINAL WORK". Read the following and tell me what that he wasn't trying to pass the perception that he actually creates original artwork and custom designs for his customers: LINK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927942.msg10189078#msg10189078Everything commissioned is tailored to speak to the client directly. Sometimes they have an idea already, other times they give me just a concept like they want it to symbolize something like movement like "Transcendence" .
It all revolves around who the client is as a person, their passions, what makes them tick, then i tailor the art to speak directly to them, something that embraces all that they are as a human being. OR THIS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868931.msg9633871#msg9633871 But i could create you your own personal art piece inspired by almost anything you can dream of, your imagination is the limit, or if you have no imagination and want me to run wild, you just give me a concept, quote, or thought, and i will create a design based around that concept. I have access to every wood on the planet and your budget is the only thing that determines how extravagant it gets. OR THIS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880599.msg9929759#msg9929759#5 is in process right now and was commissioned by a forum member to be custom designed for them. NEVER IN ANY OF THE ABOVE QUOTES DID HE EVER ELUDE TO THE FACT THAT HE TAKES OTHER PEOPLE'S DESIGNS AND UTILIZES THEM IN HIS PIECES. OF COURSE HE WOULDN'T. WHY? PERHAPS BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE PERCEPTION THAT HE IS CREATING ALL OF HIS DESIGNS FROM SCRATCH AND TAILORS THEM TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER AS IF THEY ARE ALL OF HIS OWN DESIGNS. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Just like he will say "I HAND CARVE ALL OF MY WORK". When really he should be saying "I HAND CARVE SOME OF MY WORK BUT MOST OF IT IS HAND CRAFTED USING MACHINE TOOLS". This is obvious mispeak to give the impression that he is actually hand carving all of his work. It is like the salesman that will say anything to get you to buy that car but really he knows most of what he says isn't true. But some of what he says is true so that makes it okay. lol Yeah right. A DERIVATIVE WORK is not ORIGINAL. It is simply that....DERIVATIVE WORK/CLIP ART/COPY. You can keep covering your ears and eyes to the truth but in the end the truth will ring free. Perhaps you may or may not be around to hear it and if you are I suspect you will ignore it or find some way to justify what WC has done to be "OKAY".
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January 27, 2015, 04:11:51 AM |
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Let me ask you a simple question MrTeal. If this was in fact laser engraved, how come I do not see stacked lines of laser etching anywhere? The lines all look PERFECTLY SMOOTH, as if a ROUTER did it. Laser etchers stack lines on top of each other to form a pattern, they don't etch perfectly carved pieces without a pixelated edge. At best they use outlines which are then stacked inside of each other, again still leaving pixelation. Additionally, where is the black char from the laser engraver? Laser engravers BURN wood, the marks left clearly look like FRICTION BURNS FROM A ROTARY TOOL.
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engravingcrew.com.au%2Fimages%2FGeneral%2520images%2FPersonal%2Fwood%2Fhand%2520made%2520wooden%2520pen%2520with%2520wooden%2520pen%2520box.jpg&t=665&c=gCQfbYkOpub29Q) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engravingcrew.com.au%2Fimages%2FGeneral%2520images%2FPersonal%2Fwood%2Fengraved%2520wooden%2520sign.jpg&t=665&c=SDSiMw0wOaK0UQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.engravingcrew.com.au%2Fimages%2FGeneral%2520images%2FPersonal%2Fwood%2Fwood%2520laser%2520engraved%2520with%2520clean%2520sharp%2520detail.jpg&t=665&c=eDmzWTDVYMJEdQ) All engraved with a laser. That wasn't my point though. While you might be able to do the hand and finger detail with a CNC mill, it's beyond ridiculous to claim someone hand routed those incredibly fine details. Hell, just videoing him doing that would have been 1000x times more impressive than waving a Dremel sanding drum around.
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January 27, 2015, 04:17:46 AM |
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You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process.
Sorry for only replying to this part of your post, but as someone who does video editing I can't resist giving my two cents on this. To be brief: Any and I mean ANY video can be reduced to a few hundred megabytes with proper compression. There's no way uploading a 1 hour and 20 minutes video could take 2 days. And WC is no exception to that, he has no excuse. He could have simply googled "video compression" and found a technique in 2 minutes instead of waiting 2 days to "upload". Just my 2 cents.
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January 27, 2015, 04:27:08 AM |
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Burden of proof is actually contextual, and who exactly should have the burden of proof is based on the commonly held presumptions of those involved in the disagreement.
Imagine that two people are disagreeing on the color of the setting sun. Alice thinks it is orange, and Bob thinks it is red.
Who has the burden of proof here? Assuming there is little to no presemptions about what color a setting sun should be, they both have the burden of proving their positions. "Innocent until proven guilty" puts the burden of proof on the prosection because of the context...because of the concept of justice as well as the presumption that most people are not criminals.
Other aspects of the burden of proof include: who is asking for proof, for what reason, and how heavily the party being asked for proof weighs the opinion of the party asking for the proof.
If I tell you that I own a car and you tell me to prove it, and I say "no thanks", then you can say I failed to provide the proof, but I could say I don't really care, and therefore don't have any burden to provide such proof...and besides, it is a reasonable claim to make that an American middle age man such as myself would own a car.
Normally, a business does not have to "prove" its claims, but many times it does, especially if there is skepticism among the community.
I say that happened here.
I also say that WC, in specifically choosing to provide a video for the purpose of proving his hand carving skills, actually accepted the context that there was skepticism in the community and then took on the burden of proving his skills in hand carving.
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LOL I like how you overlook your own mispeak in saying that people judged him first and then I show you where I did not judge him initially until he started to show how we operates in light of opposition (cussing, being childish) then when it came out that he was misrepresenting himself that is when he showed that he operates in a shady manner saying that he does original work when he then admits he uses clip art.
The funny thing is that you already claimed to KNOW how WC was doing the engraving for the stencil...then you back pedaled to say "he could do it with ...". Sorry buddy you contradict yourself on so many levels it is funny.
As I asked before are you and Goat brothers as you both have a similar way of trying to retort, get owned, then make like you never were wrong in your presumptions/statements.
Please try harder TECHSHARE as you can't admit that I did approach him professionally and without judgement.
You obviously can't take being wrong, sorry I mean you can't take being proven wrong in your claims.
I did not misspeak. You did not judge him from the first moment. You did however judge him later WITHOUT PROOF, only suspicions. Suspicioins are not proof. This is the definition of guilty until proven innocent. I did not backpedal, this is just more bullshit you are tacking on to make it sound as if I did. There is not a shred of proof in any of your statements. It is 100% clear you are here to troll. Just because you imagine all of these things doesn't make them facts. If I was wrong I would admit it, but I am not. You are wrong, and it will be proven conclusively within the next few days. Him using CLIP ART
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Saying he tailors his designs to his customers and he does custom work is proof enough for me that he operates in a shady manner.
They are not the same.
ORIGINAL != DERIVATIVE WORK as he never said that. Now he would be operating on a technicality which he and we all know is bullshit as what he was going for was GENUINE ORIGINAL WORK.
Just like he will say "I HAND CARVE ALL OF MY WORK". When really he should be saying "I HAND CARVE SOME OF MY WORK BUT MOST OF IT IS HAND CRAFTED USING MACHINE TOOLS". This is obvious mispeak to give the impression that he is actually hand carving his work.
It is like the salesman that will say anything to get you to buy that car but really he knows most of what he says isn't true.
But some of what he says is true so that makes it okay. lol
Yeah right.
A DERIVATIVE WORK is not ORIGINAL nor is it CUSTOM. It is simply that....DERIVATIVE WORK/CLIP ART/COPY.
You can keep covering your ears and eyes to the truth but in the end the truth will ring free. Perhaps you may or may not be around to hear it and if you are I suspect you will ignore it or find some way to justify what WC has done to be "OKAY".
Your expectations that every single action he does from start to finish be defined as "hand carving" is unrealistic and disingenuous. Just because he uses hand guided rotary tools for part of each project does not mean he is not also hand carving his work on the same piece. Doing so in no way makes his statement of hand carving untrue at all, because he in fact does "hand carve all of his work". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work"In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyright-protected elements of an original, previously created first work (the underlying work). The derivative work becomes a second, separate work independent in form from the first. The transformation, modification or adaptation of the work must be substantial and bear its author's personality to be original and thus protected by copyright. Translations, cinematic adaptations and musical arrangements are common types of derivative works." Again, I am a professional graphic designer and I am VERY WELL INFORMED in copyright law as it is part of my job and my training. A derivative work is the property of the creator of the derivative. There is no grey area. This is a fact. What other bullshit theories can you drum up to justify this mob Smoothy? You seem to be willing to spend all night posting accusation after accusation all the while not providing proof of anything, just theories. You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process.
Sorry for only replying to this part of your post, but as someone who does video editing I can't resist giving my two cents on this. To be brief: Any and I mean ANY video can be reduced to a few hundred megabytes with proper compression. There's no way uploading a 1 hour and 20 minutes video could take 2 days. And WC is no exception to that, he has no excuse. He could have simply googled "video compression" and found a technique in 2 minutes instead of waiting 2 days to "upload". Just my 2 cents. Right, because Youtube doesn't limit your upload speed or anything right? Also it certainly doesn't take forever for youtube to process that video does it? Additionally if he uploaded some grainy low def video you know DAMNED WELL people would be crying about how there is not enough detail and he is trying to hide something.
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January 27, 2015, 04:32:37 AM |
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You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process.
Sorry for only replying to this part of your post, but as someone who does video editing I can't resist giving my two cents on this. To be brief: Any and I mean ANY video can be reduced to a few hundred megabytes with proper compression. There's no way uploading a 1 hour and 20 minutes video could take 2 days. And WC is no exception to that, he has no excuse. He could have simply googled "video compression" and found a technique in 2 minutes instead of waiting 2 days to "upload". Just my 2 cents. Thank you for chiming in with your advice. Point taken. 2 days lol...
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LOL I like how you overlook your own mispeak in saying that people judged him first and then I show you where I did not judge him initially until he started to show how we operates in light of opposition (cussing, being childish) then when it came out that he was misrepresenting himself that is when he showed that he operates in a shady manner saying that he does original work when he then admits he uses clip art.
The funny thing is that you already claimed to KNOW how WC was doing the engraving for the stencil...then you back pedaled to say "he could do it with ...". Sorry buddy you contradict yourself on so many levels it is funny.
As I asked before are you and Goat brothers as you both have a similar way of trying to retort, get owned, then make like you never were wrong in your presumptions/statements.
Please try harder TECHSHARE as you can't admit that I did approach him professionally and without judgement.
You obviously can't take being wrong, sorry I mean you can't take being proven wrong in your claims.
I did not misspeak. You did not judge him from the first moment. You did however judge him later WITHOUT PROOF, only suspicions. Suspicioins are not proof. This is the definition of guilty until proven innocent. I did not backpedal, this is just more bullshit you are tacking on to make it sound as if I did. There is not a shred of proof in any of your statements. It is 100% clear you are here to troll. Just because you imagine all of these things doesn't make them facts. If I was wrong I would admit it, but I am not. You are wrong, and it will be proven conclusively within the next few days. Him using CLIP ART
and then...
Saying he tailors his designs to his customers and he does custom work is proof enough for me that he operates in a shady manner.
They are not the same.
ORIGINAL != DERIVATIVE WORK as he never said that. Now he would be operating on a technicality which he and we all know is bullshit as what he was going for was GENUINE ORIGINAL WORK.
Just like he will say "I HAND CARVE ALL OF MY WORK". When really he should be saying "I HAND CARVE SOME OF MY WORK BUT MOST OF IT IS HAND CRAFTED USING MACHINE TOOLS". This is obvious mispeak to give the impression that he is actually hand carving his work.
It is like the salesman that will say anything to get you to buy that car but really he knows most of what he says isn't true.
But some of what he says is true so that makes it okay. lol
Yeah right.
A DERIVATIVE WORK is not ORIGINAL nor is it CUSTOM. It is simply that....DERIVATIVE WORK/CLIP ART/COPY.
You can keep covering your ears and eyes to the truth but in the end the truth will ring free. Perhaps you may or may not be around to hear it and if you are I suspect you will ignore it or find some way to justify what WC has done to be "OKAY".
Your expectations that every single action he does from start to finish be defined as "hand carving" is unrealistic and disingenuous. Just because he uses hand guided rotary tools for part of each project does not mean he is not also hand carving his work on the same piece. Doing so in no way makes his statement of hand carving untrue at all, because he in fact does "hand carve all of his work". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work"In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyright-protected elements of an original, previously created first work (the underlying work). The derivative work becomes a second, separate work independent in form from the first. The transformation, modification or adaptation of the work must be substantial and bear its author's personality to be original and thus protected by copyright. Translations, cinematic adaptations and musical arrangements are common types of derivative works." Again, I am a professional graphic designer and I am VERY WELL INFORMED in copyright law as it is part of my job and my training. A derivative work is the property of the creator of the derivative. There is no grey area. This is a fact. What other bullshit theories can you drum up to justify this mob Smoothy? You seem to be willing to spend all night posting accusation after accusation all the while not providing proof of anything, just theories. You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process.
Sorry for only replying to this part of your post, but as someone who does video editing I can't resist giving my two cents on this. To be brief: Any and I mean ANY video can be reduced to a few hundred megabytes with proper compression. There's no way uploading a 1 hour and 20 minutes video could take 2 days. And WC is no exception to that, he has no excuse. He could have simply googled "video compression" and found a technique in 2 minutes instead of waiting 2 days to "upload". Just my 2 cents. Right, because Youtube doesn't limit your upload speed or anything right? Also it certainly doesn't take forever for youtube to process that video does it? Additionally if he uploaded some grainy low def video you know DAMNED WELL people would be crying about how there is not enough detail and he is trying to hide something. Please post where I judged him prior to his shady actions. I only posted what I thought when the existing evidence was presented at every step of the way. An opinion is not a judgement. I can be quite harsh but as you can see I did give the guy enough ability to prove himself in his claims. That never happened even until this day. This is also coming after the guy threw me under the bus claiming my physical bit coin artwork was copied from deviant art, which it is not and I have proven him wrong in this. The guy operates on hypocrisy in that he does not like it that nubbins did not approach him directly to get answers but then it comes to talking about my work he is willing to throw me under the bus and not give me the same professional approach I did him. This is all on the tails that all of that clip art that he used was never ever talked about until a 3rd party found it on the web. Then he admits "yes I used clip art...ha ha ha". Let's break down your supposed derivative work definition: "In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyright-protected elements of an original, previously created first work (the underlying work). The derivative work becomes a second, separate work independent in form from the first. The transformation, modification or adaptation of the work must be substantial and bear its author's personality to be original and thus protected by copyright. Translations, cinematic adaptations and musical arrangements are common types of derivative works."
So does the following equate to "The transformation, modification or adaptation of the work must be substantial and bear its author's personality to be original and thus protected by copyright."? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7ZDLa9z.jpg&t=665&c=b35Q2j_eESmTvQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.superbwallpapers.com%2Fwallpapers%2Fdigital-art%2Fblack-and-white-swirls-24139-1920x1200.jpg&t=665&c=8m8WpwLEiVDOYA) I DO NOT THINK IT FITS THAT DEFINITION IN THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. Wasn't there another lion image he jus copy and pasted? lol... Wow he put a spin on the design's angle and put a couple of BTC in there. Yes so original. lol ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Then Woodcollector has the gall to say this: LINK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927942.msg10189078#msg10189078Everything commissioned is tailored to speak to the client directly. Sometimes they have an idea already, other times they give me just a concept like they want it to symbolize something like movement like "Transcendence" .
It all revolves around who the client is as a person, their passions, what makes them tick, then i tailor the art to speak directly to them, something that embraces all that they are as a human being. Please spare me all of this high horse crap that you are so experienced in this field blah blah blah. As I could care less. I've worked on music and if someone took a piece of copywritten music and changed one single note that would be considered "original" is bullshit. The word "substantial" is subjective as what you would determine as substantial and what I would are likely in two different galaxies. In my view those two images above do not differ enough to be considered original. But more so just a simple copy with a few small modifications. Shit the guy didn't even come up with the BTC as it is the community's to use. Wow he cut a circle out of the design and put it in wood. Yes so original. Couldn't be done with a laser... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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A derivative work is the property of the creator of the derivative. There is no grey area. This is a fact. @TECSHARE, No that is simply not true as your own definition states that there must be substantial modifications etc to be considered original and protected under copyright. So in the example I gave up above it shows that MR. WoodCollector does not create original work. This is subjective but heck anyone can copy that put a spin on the angle of the work, put a couple of BTC's and say "look it is my original work because the law says so". Please spare me the bullshit as we both can see in that example that is simply not true. But please keep ignoring the facts and give WC every benefit of the doubt until the very end. It is so funny as you keep referring to the "mob" as if we all organized this to happen in an orchestrated manner. I call bullshit there as it seems that most of the parties that agree with me I never associate with at all and their own insight is unbiased as I'm sure some of them have 0 skin in the game, just like I have none either. There is no mob, just the facade of a mob to distract from the issues at hand. And yes TECSHARE you did back pedal on your statement I quoted it several times. But please keep running from the issue and not posting what I quoted of you so others can see what I am getting at with you on that issue. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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It is so funny as you keep referring to the "mob" as if we all organized this to happen in an orchestrated manner.
I call bullshit there as it seems that most of the parties that agree with me I never associate with at all and their own insight is unbiased as I'm sure some of them have 0 skin in the game, just like I have none either.
There is no mob, just the facade of a mob to distract from the issues at hand.
haha..true...but who knows , Smoothie, maybe we will become great friends as we are now founding members of the "Woodcollector fan club" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Here just for reference again lol TECSHARE: He applied those router lines BY HAND. Not by laser, Not by CNC, but with a HAND ROUTER.
![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Sounds like speculation rather than fact. Shill or moron. Probably not a good idea to trust either way. Negative feedback left. Actually no. That is experience with woodworking tools AS WELL as experience with laser engravers. I know for a fact he could have accomplished that exact effect with a hand guided router. You, however deny this possibility and claim it could ONLY have been created by a laser engraver or CNC. THAT is called speculation. The fact that you continue to insinuate he is just doing all of this as an elaborate ploy to deceive everyone here after he released the video of his HAND CARVING demonstrates very clearly your lack of a grasp on reality. By the way Nubbins, if you think abusing your position on the default trust in an attempt to intimidate myself and others into silence will work, you are SORELY mistaken. You just turned what was just a discussion, into a personal vendetta with me now by abusing the trust system in an attempt to punish me for disagreeing with you in public. You have also done the same to MANY other users over this incident for doing nothing more than disagreeing with you and your mob action, as well as convinced others to do the same. You are going to need to use a telescope to see the sky from the depth of the hole you are digging for yourself. Two different statements and stances. Of course you will run from it but that is okay. At least admit you misspoke as it is clear that you did. But then again perhaps you didn't mispeak and did truly believe what you first wrote...saying "he applied..."...when you know jack because WC never released evidence of this. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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People often act on emotions and then use logic to justify their actions.
I am really curious what is driving Tecshare to be such a skeptic here and defend WC when the video and everything else is pretty clear.
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You do know that video, even compressed was about 2 GB right? It took nearly 2 days to upload and process.
Sorry for only replying to this part of your post, but as someone who does video editing I can't resist giving my two cents on this. To be brief: Any and I mean ANY video can be reduced to a few hundred megabytes with proper compression. There's no way uploading a 1 hour and 20 minutes video could take 2 days. And WC is no exception to that, he has no excuse. He could have simply googled "video compression" and found a technique in 2 minutes instead of waiting 2 days to "upload". Just my 2 cents. Can you download his video and re-upload it in a few hundred megabytes, while still maintaining sufficient picture quality? It'd help prove your point and help those of us with slower internet. Since WC had to drop everything and produce the video to prove himself as an expert, I expect you do drop everything you are doing right now and produce a "few hundred megabyte" version of WC's video for us all to see. Since you are a video editor it should be no problem or maybe you are misrepresenting yourself and deserve a negative reputation also?
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January 27, 2015, 05:30:04 AM |
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It is so funny as you keep referring to the "mob" as if we all organized this to happen in an orchestrated manner.
I call bullshit there as it seems that most of the parties that agree with me I never associate with at all and their own insight is unbiased as I'm sure some of them have 0 skin in the game, just like I have none either.
There is no mob, just the facade of a mob to distract from the issues at hand.
haha..true...but who knows , Smoothie, maybe we will become great friends as we are now founding members of the "Woodcollector fan club" ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) pioneers of the club ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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January 27, 2015, 05:34:16 AM |
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People often act on emotions and then use logic to justify their actions.
I am really curious what is driving Tecshare to be such a skeptic here and defend WC when the video and everything else is pretty clear.
If you follow some of his previous posts he has a butthurt issue about the default trust list of this very forum and someone did him "wrong" and he is pissed that none of the forum admins/mods backed him up. He appears to be trying to play the savior to wood collector in the small chance he is right he will be glorified. He had the hardest time even admitting that I approached WC in a professional manner in dec 2014...despite my proving this. It was overlooked as him saying "yes you had a conversation with him". LOL down play the facts that support your opposition and blow up the "facts" that prove your opposition to be "wrong".... <-----TECSHARE STYLE ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Bobsurplus
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January 27, 2015, 05:36:25 AM |
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LOL.. I wanna buy it.. when does the auction start?
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