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October 10, 2013, 11:37:16 PM
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True. But the initial transfer was for 40k BTC. You don't just drop 40k BTC in a wallet even back in 2011 unless its intended for long term storage or you intend to spend it (Which he didn't). I think this was intended as long term cold storage and as bitcoin increased in value so did this wallet's value
Cold Storage is a very good point.

We also don't know that this is the ONLY wallet, or if he had other investments in BTC (who knows how much he lost in the GLBSE madness) or to (the other) pirate  Roll Eyes.

Sorry, whats the GLBSE?

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October 10, 2013, 11:45:08 PM
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True. But the initial transfer was for 40k BTC. You don't just drop 40k BTC in a wallet even back in 2011 unless its intended for long term storage or you intend to spend it (Which he didn't). I think this was intended as long term cold storage and as bitcoin increased in value so did this wallet's value
Cold Storage is a very good point.

We also don't know that this is the ONLY wallet, or if he had other investments in BTC (who knows how much he lost in the GLBSE madness) or to (the other) pirate  Roll Eyes.

Sorry, whats the GLBSE?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.0

topic still active , lol

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October 11, 2013, 03:08:29 AM
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Looks like a simple click of the mouse reveals that the wallet is tied to the SR seized coins wallet. Check it out!

https://blockchain.info/address/1TarasQyKwPJRuod6qwh7n8BjMHC49ZNY
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October 11, 2013, 05:15:42 AM
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Looks like a simple click of the mouse reveals that the wallet is tied to the SR seized coins wallet. Check it out!

https://blockchain.info/address/1TarasQyKwPJRuod6qwh7n8BjMHC49ZNY

That is weird, its only like 0.00000667 too. And its in multi-receiver transactions too. Its almost like the stolen coins are a change wallet or something. I don't get it  Huh

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October 11, 2013, 05:21:55 AM
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Looks like a simple click of the mouse reveals that the wallet is tied to the SR seized coins wallet. Check it out!

https://blockchain.info/address/1TarasQyKwPJRuod6qwh7n8BjMHC49ZNY

That is weird, its only like 0.00000667 too. And its in multi-receiver transactions too. Its almost like the stolen coins are a change wallet or something. I don't get it  Huh

That's just one of many people sending small amounts to the seized address, with a message encoded. Its like blockchain graffiti intended for the FBI to read.

Blockchain.info decodes the messages and shows them as a "Public Note:". You see them all when you view the seized address:

https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

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October 12, 2013, 12:32:12 AM
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http://blockchain.info/address/1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a

Also some movement on the 111,111 biggest addy - 2 depos added of exactly the same amount with large number of strange digits,

So not DPRs address?  I'm confused.
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October 12, 2013, 12:41:14 AM
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Call me when funds are leaving the address.

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October 12, 2013, 05:05:40 AM
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A neco thread was resurrected because it had a post by altoid. So I noticed a BTC address posted by altoid in some php bitcoind code: 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS.

I followed that address to another one, 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a, currently sitting with 111,111 BTC in it.


Can you detail how you navigated from:

 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS (Altoid address) to
 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a (balance of 111,111 btc)

If there aren't many links between, that seems to say that 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a is a DPR owned address (unless I'm missing something).

It's still hard to believe he could lack such "street smarts" to post his name, email, and apparently a key public address that SR used on a public forum...
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October 12, 2013, 05:25:50 AM
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A neco thread was resurrected because it had a post by altoid. So I noticed a BTC address posted by altoid in some php bitcoind code: 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS.

I followed that address to another one, 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a, currently sitting with 111,111 BTC in it.


Can you detail how you navigated from:

 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS (Altoid address) to
 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a (balance of 111,111 btc)

If there aren't many links between, that seems to say that 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a is a DPR owned address (unless I'm missing something).

It's still hard to believe he could lack such "street smarts" to post his name, email, and apparently a key public address that SR used on a public forum...

Its not hard to do just click through the transactions and you'll get to it eventually. I found it on accident the first time. But the address 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a (balance of 111,111 btc) is currently the largest wallet in existence and people have speculated about it being DPR's or at least belonging to SR.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Ladder#Top_addresses

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October 12, 2013, 06:10:00 AM
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A neco thread was resurrected because it had a post by altoid. So I noticed a BTC address posted by altoid in some php bitcoind code: 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS.

I followed that address to another one, 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a, currently sitting with 111,111 BTC in it.


Can you detail how you navigated from:

 1LDNLreKJ6GawBHPgB5yfVLBERi8g3SbQS (Altoid address) to
 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a (balance of 111,111 btc)

If there aren't many links between, that seems to say that 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a is a DPR owned address (unless I'm missing something).

It's still hard to believe he could lack such "street smarts" to post his name, email, and apparently a key public address that SR used on a public forum...

Its not hard to do just click through the transactions and you'll get to it eventually. I found it on accident the first time. But the address 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a (balance of 111,111 btc) is currently the largest wallet in existence and people have speculated about it being DPR's or at least belonging to SR.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Ladder#Top_addresses


Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

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October 13, 2013, 12:43:49 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

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October 13, 2013, 01:50:30 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

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Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).
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October 14, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

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Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

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October 15, 2013, 02:55:24 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

Ente

Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

Just FYI, if he decided to go and spend those Bitcoins on something, its very likely that he would have sent them all to one address & its similarly likely that they would remain unspent for extended periods of time. So, DPR likely does have something to do with the address, but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

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October 15, 2013, 04:29:52 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

Ente

Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

Just FYI, if he decided to go and spend those Bitcoins on something, its very likely that he would have sent them all to one address & its similarly likely that they would remain unspent for extended periods of time. So, DPR likely does have something to do with the address, but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

Why would he send large quantities of bitcoins to someone elses address? Heck he did not even keep his close family members/friends in the loop. I think DPR trusted no one but himself. But he made his share of stupid mistakes.

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October 15, 2013, 04:31:02 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

Ente

Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

Just FYI, if he decided to go and spend those Bitcoins on something, its very likely that he would have sent them all to one address & its similarly likely that they would remain unspent for extended periods of time. So, DPR likely does have something to do with the address, but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

Why would he send large quantities of bitcoins to someone elses address? Heck he did not even keep his close family members/friends in the loop. I think DPR trusted no one but himself. But he made his share of stupid mistakes.


What if he just wanted to, you know, buy something? Or just sell the coins for fiat? What do you think, he just let all the money sit there?

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October 15, 2013, 06:54:10 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

Ente

Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

Just FYI, if he decided to go and spend those Bitcoins on something, its very likely that he would have sent them all to one address & its similarly likely that they would remain unspent for extended periods of time. So, DPR likely does have something to do with the address, but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

Why would he send large quantities of bitcoins to someone elses address? Heck he did not even keep his close family members/friends in the loop. I think DPR trusted no one but himself. But he made his share of stupid mistakes.


What if he just wanted to, you know, buy something? Or just sell the coins for fiat? What do you think, he just let all the money sit there?

Honestly, I don't get what you are trying to prove here. I was reacting to this:

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but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

I was just saying that, from my analysis, the two addresses should belong to the same person.

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What if he just wanted to, you know, buy something? Or just sell the coins for fiat? What do you think, he just let all the money sit there?

I don't care what he does with those coins (I don't think he has that choice anymore). I just was trying to make a connect between two addresses and see if they belonged to the same person. Doing this mostly for fun/learning. Not trying to prove anything.

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October 15, 2013, 11:37:07 PM
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Wow, thanks for linking that other thread...  very interesting.  Seems near certain that the "1933...." address is DPRs.

I can't believe he would post an actual address he used as part of SR on a public forum, asking for help.. 

And why did he put so much in one address, which would tend towards drawing unwanted attention?  Ego-drive to have the largest Bitcoin address in existence?



EDIT: Also, while it seems convincing that "1933..." is DPR's address based on the evidence, how would it play out in court?  Would the blockchain clues/network of transactions amount to "beyond a reasonable doubt"
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October 16, 2013, 04:32:19 AM
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And why did he put so much in one address, which would tend towards drawing unwanted attention?  Ego-drive to have the largest Bitcoin address in existence?


I highly doubt it was a ego driven. DPR simply had a ton of coin and at the time most were put into that address (2012) the price of bitcoin was significantly lower. The wallet's value went up as bitcoin's value did and he just never moved the coins.

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October 16, 2013, 04:39:35 AM
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Right, just click through, following the biggest transactions. It was only about 10-20 hops iirc.

I quit after 60 hops. Maybe I took a wrong turn at the beginning though.

Seriously, more than a few hops pretty much means nothing. At least not until you run it through some taint analysis, or do fancy networking graphs.

Ente

Likewise.  I'd love to see the actual click through the led from point (a) to point (b).

Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600

Just FYI, if he decided to go and spend those Bitcoins on something, its very likely that he would have sent them all to one address & its similarly likely that they would remain unspent for extended periods of time. So, DPR likely does have something to do with the address, but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

Why would he send large quantities of bitcoins to someone elses address? Heck he did not even keep his close family members/friends in the loop. I think DPR trusted no one but himself. But he made his share of stupid mistakes.


What if he just wanted to, you know, buy something? Or just sell the coins for fiat? What do you think, he just let all the money sit there?

Honestly, I don't get what you are trying to prove here. I was reacting to this:

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but saying its his address seems like a bit of a stretch.

I was just saying that, from my analysis, the two addresses should belong to the same person.

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What if he just wanted to, you know, buy something? Or just sell the coins for fiat? What do you think, he just let all the money sit there?

I don't care what he does with those coins (I don't think he has that choice anymore). I just was trying to make a connect between two addresses and see if they belonged to the same person. Doing this mostly for fun/learning. Not trying to prove anything.


I'm not trying to prove anything either. Look, I'm just saying that those coins could easily have been spent by DPR and given to the owner of said address rather than the entire address actually being owned by DPR. Thats all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to prove anything, just pointing that out. There has been no real reason I've seen so far this  thread to suggest otherwise. It just seems like sort of a random leap to assume it must be DPR's address.

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