Want to borrow 0.1 BTC - collateral a torrent account and a lvl 14 PD account

[sickhouse]

I am asking for 0.1 BTC, going to use it for poker - I am better than the avarage player.

Collateral: a lvl 14 PrimeDice account (https://i.imgur.com/bRctToy.jpg) and an account on Waffles.fm (music torrent site with a great community) with over 150GB more upload than download

http://www.filedropper.com/pokerhands here are a few hands - improved a lot since those hands though (the ones from 2013 at least). I have a folder with over 100GB poker videos that I've been watching to learn better.

2+2 usename is ShouldBeFine.

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[Quickseller]

What happens if things do not go your way?

[NLNico]

Do you have any Stats, ROI, PT/HEM graphs, previous username (for stats sites), etc?

People asking poker staking + talking about 150% returns, always seem silly to me (as a hobby yet profitable poker player.)

Also it's unclear what you are offering. 0% or 150% ? Or % of profits? Or life-time all profits? Or .. ? Within which time frame? Etc.

[sickhouse]

What happens if things do not go your way?

Then the money is lost.

Do you have any Stats, ROI, PT/HEM graphs, previous username (for stats sites), etc?

People asking poker staking + talking about 150% returns, always seem silly to me (as a hobby yet profitable poker player.)

Also it's unclear what you are offering. 0% or 150% ? Or % of profits? Or .. ? Within which time frame? Etc.

I had a ton of hands saved, but my previous computer crashed and they all got lost with it. But I've made a profit from playing poker - not a huge one but when I play I don't lose money. Took me 6 wasted deposits á $50 at pokerstars before I turned the losing to winning.

What I am offering is 150% of the investment, but that can be discussed with the person willing to stake. My username on stars/FTP is s!ckhouse.

[Quickseller]

So if you lose then the lender gets nothing in return?

[sickhouse]

So if you lose then the lender gets nothing in return?

He gets 2 invites to torrent sites.

[Quickseller]

I don't see why anyone would want to do this.

Begging is not allowed as per forum rules.

[gweedo]

What stops you from just saying you lost the money and keep it for yourself?

[sickhouse]

What stops you from just saying you lost the money and keep it for yourself?

I am going to give away my name on betcoin poker client, send screenshots whenever requested, they also have a transaction history so that's no problem.

[jorjito25]

I have played poker for several years, over 200k hands at pokerstars alone. I recently tried bitcoin poker and there are a lot more fish there than on fiat sites, but I don't have the capital to play.
I know what BRM is and how to handle it, the site I will be playing at is Betcoin.ag, will mostly play cash games but also some tournaments.

I am asking for 0.1 BTC for this, I don't have any collateral to leave HOWEVER you will get 150% (sum can be discussed) of your investment back if things go my way (I know I am a better player than most people there, but there is always the RNG factor). I am going to play at micro levels to begin with and then hopefully be able to go up to low stakes.

I NEVER tilt, I don't find online poker that funny, therefore I am only in it to win it. The highest stakes I've played at has been NL10 where I managed to go +-0. If you got further questions go ahead and ask

Why dont you have capital if u are so good? I dont get it...

[sickhouse]

I have played poker for several years, over 200k hands at pokerstars alone. I recently tried bitcoin poker and there are a lot more fish there than on fiat sites, but I don't have the capital to play.
I know what BRM is and how to handle it, the site I will be playing at is Betcoin.ag, will mostly play cash games but also some tournaments.

I am asking for 0.1 BTC for this, I don't have any collateral to leave HOWEVER you will get 150% (sum can be discussed) of your investment back if things go my way (I know I am a better player than most people there, but there is always the RNG factor). I am going to play at micro levels to begin with and then hopefully be able to go up to low stakes.

I NEVER tilt, I don't find online poker that funny, therefore I am only in it to win it. The highest stakes I've played at has been NL10 where I managed to go +-0. If you got further questions go ahead and ask

Why dont you have capital if u are so good? I dont get it...

I don't have BTC? And I've just recently started playing at BTC poker clients whatsoever.

[sickhouse]

I don't see why anyone would want to do this.

Begging is not allowed as per forum rules.

Is this considered as begging though? I leave a reward in return, I wouldn't fucking risk this account over $20 either way. I was a bit unsure myself, gonna report the thread myself and see if it can stay.

Why anyone would do this? FIAT people stakes total morons (Isildur1 prime example) for millions of dollars knowing that they will most likely lose their money.

[Quickseller]

If you are asking for money without the promise of returning anything of value then you are asking for a donation.

You are taking on zero risk as part of this "deal" if you win then you profit, if you lose then the "lender" takes all the losses.

People risk their own money when gambling. I am not aware of anyone who is lending fiat money to poker players.

[Quickseller]

Also your password was reset via email in the last 30 days, which means there is an increased risk it has been hacked.

[haploid23]

Why the hell would any lender want to do this? The potential loss is 100%, but the potential gain is 50%. I'd be better off even if I played foolishly myself.

[sickhouse]

If you are asking for money without the promise of returning anything of value then you are asking for a donation.

You are taking on zero risk as part of this "deal" if you win then you profit, if you lose then the "lender" takes all the losses.

People risk their own money when gambling. I am not aware of anyone who is lending fiat money to poker players.

I agree that I am taking zero risk, however if I win we both profits. Not aware of anyone lending money to poker players?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/135/staking-seeking-stakes/
http://www.highstakesdb.com/community/topic/28099-isildur1-now-playing/page-1011
How about googling?  

[sickhouse]

Why the hell would any lender want to do this? The potential loss is 100%, but the potential gain is 50%. I'd be better off even if I played foolishly myself.

I edited the OP to say that the sum can be discussed. Some people have much BTC, and wants to make people happy, not knowing poker themselves they may want to see their own money in play... Hell I don't know I've never understood why people stake in the first time.

But you can't get a no unless you ask.

[Quickseller]

You should borrow from those people then. I do however have my doubts that people are handing out no recourse loans to poker players. Doing so would be moronic.

[NLNico]

I am not aware of anyone who is lending fiat money to poker players.

Actually staking poker players is a normal thing and definitely more like an investment than a loan.

Fiat staking happens on sites like 2p2, chipmeup.com and for seals (bitcoin) there is http://sealsdeals.info . Most times staking deals are tournaments though since it's easier to track/agree on. I have personally staked many many bitcoins on the latter one on good players. With tournaments it's a bit easier, if buy-in is 0.01 BTC, I could stake someone for 0.005 BTC (half) for 45% total winnings. Obviously I would stake only good players with a good statistical ROI especially if there is that mark-up (not 1:1 value, 50% for 45%.) The reason why someone would want a stake even if he's good, is because you should have around 100 buy-ins since variance can be rough. So if a player "only" has 0.5 BTC it can be good to be staked for half the buyin at a 0.01 tourney.

That being said, I personally never fully-stake people (I think a decent player should have some bankroll) and I am not very confident it will be an EV+ situation here. I don't consider it as begging though.

edit: and like I said, I think the "promise" or goal of 150% is a bit vague/strange. Although I am mostly experienced with tournament staking so I am not sure what the best way is for cash game staking.

[sickhouse]

You should borrow from those people then. I do however have my doubts that people are handing out no recourse loans to poker players. Doing so would be moronic.

How can you have your doubts after the links I just provided? Any poker player with experience will confirm that staking happens, and it happens frequently...

[Quickseller]

You should borrow from those people then. I do however have my doubts that people are handing out no recourse loans to poker players. Doing so would be moronic.

How can you have your doubts after the links I just provided? Any poker player with experience will confirm that staking happens, and it happens frequently...

I have never heard of either of those sites so I am unable to determine how reliable information posted there. Additionally anyone can post anything they want on a forum.

I still don't see why you don't borrow from those people. 

[sickhouse]

You should borrow from those people then. I do however have my doubts that people are handing out no recourse loans to poker players. Doing so would be moronic.

How can you have your doubts after the links I just provided? Any poker player with experience will confirm that staking happens, and it happens frequently...

I have never heard of either of those sites so I am unable to determine how reliable information posted there. Additionally anyone can post anything they want on a forum.

I still don't see why you don't borrow from those people. 

Well then you don't know anything about poker - twoplustwo is the biggest poker forum around. Also read the post above the one you just quoted, he confirmed that people gets staked.

[redsn0w]

@sickhouse, can you provide at least a collateral? Do you have some altcoins or "digital goods"?

[sickhouse]

@sickhouse, can you provide at least a collateral? Do you have some altcoins or "digital goods"?

Well all I got is

    BoostCoin

   BOST 2.43503795    

    LiteCoin

   LTC    0.00516298

Which is pretty much nothing :/.

Just came to think though, I do have torrent invites to Torrentleech and Waffles.FM (music only site), guess I can offer those as collateral?

[jorjito25]

Why dont u ask for a single loan and if u win a lot good luck to you.

I dont think is good that you come trying to envolve ppl to risk his money on gambling.

Just my opinion. ..

[sickhouse]

Why dont u ask for a single loan and if u win a lot good luck to you.

I dont think is good that you come trying to envolve ppl to risk his money on gambling.

Just my opinion. ..

Don't remember asking for it. I've put up 2 invites to torrent sites as Collateral, should cover the amount.

[jorjito25]

How much are u asking for? 0.1?

[sickhouse]

How much are u asking for? 0.1?

Yes that's what it says in topic?

[jorjito25]

How long will take you tu pay back and with which interest?
Would you put ur account as collateral?

[sickhouse]

How long will take you tu pay back and with which interest?
Would you put ur account as collateral?

This account as collateral? No fucking way lol, poker has a lot of RnG involved and such (if I get staked I want it to be from a poker player so they understand the word variance).

[geoffreyqp]

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

[jorjito25]

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

Thats what I mean...
 

I could beat him anytime, even my dog could beat him.

[jorjito25]

Lets play omaha if u are that good!

Hehehe

[Quickseller]

Why dont u ask for a single loan and if u win a lot good luck to you.

I dont think is good that you come trying to envolve ppl to risk his money on gambling.

Just my opinion. ..

maybe someone to lend money to someone who will play against the OP 

[jorjito25]

Ill play him any time if he wish.

 

he only talks. ..

I played more hands than him and never asked for money to no body.

[sickhouse]

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

Why would I give you the info on my 2+2 name when you clearly wont stake me? You are just trying to bate me into a discussion at your retarded low level. I've got $20 but I don't have 0.1 BTC and for personal reasons I can not buy BTC (the banks in Sweden keeps a really really close eye on BTC purchases) so that's why I am asking for the stake, or should I say asked for the stake (I withdraw the question) you morons have brought this thread down to kindergarten level.

[sickhouse]

Lets play omaha if u are that good!

Hehehe

Not once have I mentioned that I am a good Omaha player: as a matter of fact I don't know Omaha at all.

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

Thats what I mean...
 

I could beat him anytime, even my dog could beat him.

I said I was better than most players THERE meaning betcoin.ag (and I stand by that statement 100% because the people playing there are pretty terrible).
Your dog could beat me? It's tempting to 1v1 you but I wont just because you act like a 12 year old when you post.

[doggieTattoo]

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

Why would I give you the info on my 2+2 name when you clearly wont stake me? You are just trying to bate me into a discussion at your retarded low level. I've got $20 but I don't have 0.1 BTC and for personal reasons I can not buy BTC (the banks in Sweden keeps a really really close eye on BTC purchases) so that's why I am asking for the stake, or should I say asked for the stake (I withdraw the question) you morons have brought this thread down to kindergarten level.

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

[jorjito25]

op thinks he's better than most players here, but needs ~$20 to play with.

what's your name on betcoin? i play there often

also what's your name on 2+2?

Why would I give you the info on my 2+2 name when you clearly wont stake me? You are just trying to bate me into a discussion at your retarded low level. I've got $20 but I don't have 0.1 BTC and for personal reasons I can not buy BTC (the banks in Sweden keeps a really really close eye on BTC purchases) so that's why I am asking for the stake, or should I say asked for the stake (I withdraw the question) you morons have brought this thread down to kindergarten level.

You can buy BTC here. Dont worry about banks.

[jorjito25]

Your dog could beat me? It's tempting to 1v1 you but I wont just because you act like a 12 year old when you post.

Dont worry about my dog, it dosent play holdem.

[sickhouse]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

[jorjito25]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, Burrito and Geoffry welcome to ignore, 2 less idiots to waste time on

Wait! I can sell you btc

[jorjito25]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, Burrito is now on my ignore, 1 less idiot to waste time on

Dont insult ppl couse nobody insults you man

[jorjito25]

U came asking for btc but u have money....

U cannot buy, but you dont wanna buy...
What are you trying?

Now you insulting ppl.

Carefull,  u wont get old.
 

[doggieTattoo]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, jorjito25 is now on my ignore, 1 less idiot to waste time on

Hmmm very strange. Most poker players are generally able to keep their cool when in tough situations. This is how they bluff

[jorjito25]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, jorjito25 is now on my ignore, 1 less idiot to waste time on

Hmmm very strange. Most poker players are generally able to keep their cool when in tough situations. This is how they bluff

Hehe this one goes on tilt very easy. ..

[doggieTattoo]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, jorjito25 is now on my ignore, 1 less idiot to waste time on

Hmmm very strange. Most poker players are generally able to keep their cool when in tough situations. This is how they bluff

Hehe this one goes on tilt very easy. ..

He really doesn't sound like a very good poker player to me. Especially not one that it would make sense to lend money to fund his bankroll for

[sickhouse]

You would want to give him your name on 2+2 so he can research your reputation. You are asking for a kind of loan that very few people are familiar with.

Yeah I got that but I haven't been an active member there so there's no point in giving it away either way. I have like 20 posts there.

AND I AM DONE WITH THIS; NO LONGER ASKING FOR A STAKE, jorjito25 is now on my ignore, 1 less idiot to waste time on

Hmmm very strange. Most poker players are generally able to keep their cool when in tough situations. This is how they bluff

Hehe this one goes on tilt very easy. ..

He really doesn't sound like a very good poker player to me. Especially not one that it would make sense to lend money to fund his bankroll for

"Doesn't sound like a good poker player"? Yeah because the way I play at the tables and the way I post on the forums are exactly the same, I've had a rough day today and everyone has their limit.
I kept my cool for very long but the whole thread more or less consisted of shit. But I am calmer now... When I get that aggetated in poker I quit untill I calm down - but I am used to lose (used to play DoN @ stars 40 tables at the same time for 3 hours straight, some sessions I ended up losing all of them, did not make me tilt).

[sickhouse]

By the way, found some of my hands saved (made a backup that I had forgot about) http://www.filedropper.com/pokerhands

Most of the history is in Swedish I believe and it's a bit unsorted but always something.
My username at 2+2 is ShouldBeFine.

[waterpile]

I thought you're done with this offer or are you still asking for more people to post the same things over and over again?

[FFrankie]

Ill give you .005 for an invite to those two sites.

[sickhouse]

I thought you're done with this offer or are you still asking for more people to post the same things over and over again?

Giving it one more day, if things doesn't improve I'll leave it. I've provided 35MB with hand histories now so hopefully things will get a bit more serious - I have no expectations though, just going to ignore the people like the guy who posted above you.

[sickhouse]

Edited the collateral a bit, instead of the invite to torrentleech I am putting up a lvl 14 primedice account. The torrent account to waffles.fm remains the same.