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May 20, 2015, 06:30:21 PM |
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Well you and your site are the seniors in this industry. Still you refused many times to show anybody your sites cold wallet, what is understandable. I have decided for now to disable investments, to stop these arguments here.
That sort of makes it worse. Looks like you are running away on purpose. All you have to do is show the proof to only one person. And not being able to do that takes away any credibility. If you just do that ,no more questions will be asked on this thread. I agree with this.. I also think that the reason he can't do this simple ask is simple and it is because he can't... If he could he would wouldn't he ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)
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May 20, 2015, 07:07:25 PM |
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ROLL STANDINGS!!!!!!!!!!
We are nearly at 126 million rolls as of today! Rolls are coming in nicely for the 200 millionth! Remember if it happens on 19th if June the bounty will be 0.5BTC. However every day earlier the bounty will increase by 0.05BTC!!
Only two more days remain to guess the date of the roll for 0.1BTC so lets have those guesses!
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May 20, 2015, 07:14:44 PM |
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Plus they are having a scammer represent them and paying a scammer to advertise for them. This only strengthens concerns that DaDice is in fact a scam. Why else would they hire a scammer to advertise for them if they were not planning on scamming themselves?
Sorry mate, if you don't mind can you shed some light on what this is all about - since I have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks! Scammer's profile link - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138744They are being allowed to participate in your signature campaign even though he received negative trust and is a scammer. Refrence thread1 shows where the scammer had scammed. Refrence post1 shows how it is impossible for the scammer to make the conclusion that he did not in fact scam. Refrence thread2 is where the scammer attempted to bully me into removing the negative rating. Additionally he has been trolling me for well over a month now because of the negative rating that I left him. As long as he is a paid representative/advertiser of your site I would personally consider your site to be untrustworthy. We have already investigated into it. And I don't really think he should be removed from the campaign because of that singular issue you have mentioned. The trust is not valid as per the current rules. And I don't think I am not the only one (nor dadice or other representatives/moderators of Da Dice) that say he shouldn't be allowed to participate in the campaign. Dunno what that has to do with you trusting the site ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Anyway, lol, not feeling like arguing here.. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Edit: I get the impression that you are taking your personal opinion to such extent ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) At this point he is literally getting paid by DaDice to troll me consistently. This is absolutely unacceptable regardless of if he is a scammer. It is not my fault that I found out that he scammed and there is no reason why I should be subject to such trolling. Every time that a trolling post is made, it is paid for by DaDice, and every time someone reads it, everyone will see a DaDice advertisement under it. All scammers will receive negative trust after one incident of scamming and most scammers can only scam once because once they do they receive a trade with extreme caution tag. If DaDice is willing to pay for someone to troll someone then I can only imagine what other unethical things they would be willing to do. @Quickseller, the level of obnoxious irony of your new flame-attack against dadice is astounding. You accuse others of trolling, but here you are posting again and again in the thread of a reputable dice site (one you happily advertized for yourself), trying to say that they are untrustworthy because the do business with someone you have decided is a scammer. Jesus, man, the fact that you actually have to have evidence for these kinds of accusations is probably why you were removed from default trust in the first place. Now that you've been removed you're going to come here and start shaking your fist in the air? All the while posting with a paid sig-ad and complaining that someone else posted negatively about you with a paid-sig-ad? Despite your behavior here, I sorta doubt that we're gonna see dadice or nhndc go into the bit-x thread and start shouting about "working with flame-troll QS is causing unreliability!" We all know what happened with you. You showed promise as an upstanding member of the community, you were good at reading through blockchain evidence and you spent your life on the forum looking for shady posts from newbies and calling them out. The problem is that you got caught up in your own importance and hubris has brought you down. It's not an uncommon human story (see Greek mythology 101). Badbear promoted you to default trust, but you couldn't take it when someone called you out for your hot temper and irrascibility. So you started using your default trust abilities to ding everyone and anyone who showed you anything but ass-kissing. You got away with it for a while but eventually you alienated yourself and got yourself removed from power. The question now is how far are you gonna go with this scorched-earth mentality? Even now, if you gave up on the insanity, realized that you can be wrong sometimes, and went back to attempting to provide something positive to the community you might avoid going down completely in flames. I think that's the path you should take, but then again, you won't hear anything from me because you've decided I am the evil you tread under your feet or whatever.
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May 20, 2015, 09:28:32 PM |
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@Quickseller, the level of obnoxious irony of your new flame-attack against dadice is astounding. You accuse others of trolling, but here you are posting again and again in the thread of a reputable dice site (one you happily advertized for yourself), trying to say that they are untrustworthy because the do business with someone you have decided is a scammer. Jesus, man, the fact that you actually have to have evidence for these kinds of accusations is probably why you were removed from default trust in the first place. Now that you've been removed you're going to come here and start shaking your fist in the air? All the while posting with a paid sig-ad and complaining that someone else posted negatively about you with a paid-sig-ad? Despite your behavior here, I sorta doubt that we're gonna see dadice or nhndc go into the bit-x thread and start shouting about "working with flame-troll QS is causing unreliability!" We all know what happened with you. You showed promise as an upstanding member of the community, you were good at reading through blockchain evidence and you spent your life on the forum looking for shady posts from newbies and calling them out. The problem is that you got caught up in your own importance and hubris has brought you down. It's not an uncommon human story (see Greek mythology 101). Badbear promoted you to default trust, but you couldn't take it when someone called you out for your hot temper and irrascibility. So you started using your default trust abilities to ding everyone and anyone who showed you anything but ass-kissing. You got away with it for a while but eventually you alienated yourself and got yourself removed from power. The question now is how far are you gonna go with this scorched-earth mentality? Even now, if you gave up on the insanity, realized that you can be wrong sometimes, and went back to attempting to provide something positive to the community you might avoid going down completely in flames. I think that's the path you should take, but then again, you won't hear anything from me because you've decided I am the evil you tread under your feet or whatever. +1 tspacepilot...
I just want to add my two cent worth of thoughts here...
1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.
2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here.
3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it.
4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice.
5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice.
6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING.
7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry. Keep it Simple!
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May 20, 2015, 09:47:03 PM |
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Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser.
You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site.
108 BTC in less then 3 months (from start) is dust??? And as admin has said they don't pay for signatures and other marketing from this account ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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May 20, 2015, 09:52:34 PM |
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The stats are broken. The counter only goes up, thus if you invest 10 times 1 BTC it will show 10 BTC invested even though you never had that much BTC in the first place.
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Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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May 20, 2015, 10:01:39 PM |
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And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.
But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.
This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.
Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser. You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site. What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly. You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey? I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win? You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijncYou can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it. Regards, Alex. Alex, If may I ask ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.0) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg7993698#msg7993698). Your cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!! It took you 6 months to issue a publically signed cold storage address. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg8529697#msg8529697) and You are here criticizing a new Dice Site which isn't even 3 months old yet.
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May 20, 2015, 10:27:19 PM |
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And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.
But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.
This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.
Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser. You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site. What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly. You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey? I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win? You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijncYou can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it. Regards, Alex. Alex, If may I ask ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.0) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg7993698#msg7993698). Your cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???V3 was like two month ago ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) BitDice started to work in Feb\March 2014 don't remember exactly. ANd for the first 4-5 month it was only with my own bankroll. After I've implemented investments I've been asked to publish cold wallet, which I did. yep, I pretty much remembered that AK was responsible for donating like around 600-700btc for you bwahahaha
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May 20, 2015, 10:28:37 PM |
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Nice post Alex, it goes to show why just paying out withdrawals isn't enough. For a gambling site to be profitable, it needs to do a LOT of volume. As NLNico says, proof of solvency is a very important cornerstone in the bitcoin community. 108 BTC in less then 3 months (from start) is dust???
It's not as much as you'd imagine, people tend to be pretty very flighty with their money (Constantly depositing and withdrawing). Normally the first thing a new user does after winning money is immediately withdraw it, to make it "real". Then seeing that the site actually processes withdrawals, they put it back. Then play a bit more, and remove the change. For instance in bustabit, historically for every bitcoin of profit we've made, we've processed 14 BTC in withdrawals, and tend to do about 100 BTC a week in withdrawals Dyaaahhh! Why don't you try that as well if it seems so easy... Anyway these are again allegations with out evidence. So you should also do some little research and come back with evidences before posting "anything". Right now the way I see it, Da Dice has "paid out" nearly half of what your cold storage currently holds. Give it a couple more months and it might just surpass it if not sooner. BustABit / MoneyPot / DustDice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.0Announced 25th July 2014 Cold Storage Total Transactions: 3 ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Cold Storage From: 10th April 2015 This post confirms investment option was there since october 2014 or evne before. > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg9263166#msg9263166So it took you 8-10 months to publich cold storage address??? HAHAHAHA
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May 20, 2015, 10:32:58 PM |
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Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.
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May 20, 2015, 10:35:33 PM |
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No hate at all. Just a 100% valid concern, they are the only dice site w/ investments and w/o public cold address. I consider the whole story as a public attack. LOL. Your own site says: Do you have proof of solvency?
90% of the coins are held in one cold storage address which will be displayed to our members, thereby allowing for full transparency to all of DaDice members. And then when I start asking about the actual cold storage address, which is not an attack at all - a completely valid request, you come up with several bad excuses: - Need more investments first. WRONG.- Other sites also don't have it. WRONG.- It's impossible because of kelly investments. WRONG.- This investor is asking to not show it. WRONG.- We show solvency by private cold addresses. WRONG.I have given a lot of valid arguments and proof for each bad excuse. And now the conclusion is " I consider the whole story as a public attack". Lol. Well... situation seems pretty obvious to me...They claim that it is because of the "largest investor". Note that DaDice still haven't replied to this: 1. Your "largest investor" excuse is a complete joke. First of all by just putting 90% of the funds in 1 address, you are not necessarily giving out information of this investor. Secondly, since you claim to still own more than 90% of the funds, you can simply move only your own funds to 1 cold address and this "big investor" is not even included(!!) 5. Getting privacy for this situation is dead easy and cheap. Just deposit and withdraw from a known bitcoin exchange. Costs the investor 0.0002 BTC and few minutes of time. The only reason why DaDice doesn't show their 500 bitcoins (that they claim to have -themselves- not from investors!), is because they do not have it. "Largest investor" has nothing to do with it, because they can just show their OWN funds only, still they won't. Well, why should we? Others much larger than us refuse this all the time as well..... Uhm no.... Which gambling site with investor option claims to have 540+ bitcoins without public cold address? blablabla Enough said from our side. Go on if you like ! Why are they unable to do this simple thing that all dice sites do?
We don't do it because you and others are pushing us around from day one. We run our business our way, if you don't like it please don't bother. But you are welcome to warn others! Always good to have critics. Quoted for reference.
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May 20, 2015, 10:36:07 PM |
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Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.
The problem is that every site (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops. ...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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May 20, 2015, 10:42:26 PM |
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And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.
But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.
This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.
Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser. You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site. What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly. You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey? I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win? You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijncYou can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it. Regards, Alex. Alex, If may I ask ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.0) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg7993698#msg7993698). Your cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???V3 was like two month ago ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) BitDice started to work in Feb\March 2014 don't remember exactly. ANd for the first 4-5 month it was only with my own bankroll. After I've implemented investments I've been asked to publish cold wallet, which I did.You know what YOU ARE A LIAR! Take a look at this post from July 2014 where a user suggests he has already invested in your site. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg8058891#msg8058891. Where is the officiall announcement of investment program being added "after" the site launched. Even if it did in July (for which there is no evidence) you still didn't provide cold storage right from start. It took you 6 months to issue cold storage address. AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH YOU ALONE. I MEAN ALL OF THEM!
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May 20, 2015, 10:43:51 PM |
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The problem is that every site (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops. ...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Not true. Just-Dice had proof-of-solvency since launch. It's not about being threatened, it's about warning the community of a likely scam. If the site is solvent then there is a simple solution to this ... demonstrate it!
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Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.
The problem is that every site (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops. ...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. thats not the problemThe problem is dadice isn't willing to show solvency.
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The problem is that every site (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops. ...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Not true. Just-Dice had proof-of-solvency since launch. It's not about being threatened, it's about warning the community of a likely scam. If the site is solvent then there is a simple solution to this ... demonstrate it! Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens. Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.
The problem is that every site (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops. ...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. thats not the problemThe problem is dadice isn't willing to show solvency. If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning. Let them take their time ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) +1 tspacepilot... I just want to add my two cent worth of thoughts here... 1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier ( https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site. 2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here. 3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it. 4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice. 5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice. 6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING. 7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry. [/size] Keep it Simple!
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May 20, 2015, 10:57:49 PM |
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Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens. ...
If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.
If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have. It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord. Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam! Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.
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May 20, 2015, 11:00:44 PM |
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Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens. ...
If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.
If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have. It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord. Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam!Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed. If there is another bitcoin gambling related scam then people will be less willing to gamble their money at other bitcoin related casinos which would result in less business for the others of those other casinos
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May 20, 2015, 11:19:32 PM |
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The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent. 2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here.
That's the same argument every Ponzi scheme supporter makes. "It's not a scam, they're paying". Every scam site pays at first, then stops. The fact that they currently honour withdrawal requests proves nothing; they could still be insolvent. 3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it.
It's easy to prove solvency if you're solvent, and impossible if you aren't. The fact that DaDice refuses to do it is cause for concern. 4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice.
But we can't tell how big the bankroll is because they refuse to show it to us. All we see are the numbers that they control, and they could be made up. 5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice.
That's true. It is up to each investor to investigate for themselves. Now that the site's unwillingness to provide proof of solvency is more visible that will help potential investors and players when they are doing their investigation. Otherwise maybe some would miss the fact that every dice site taking public investments except DaDice offers proof of solvency. The individual investors are still free to make their own decision of course. It's just that now they have more information upon which to base their decision. 6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING.
This is my third post to this thread. I guess I'll try to make it my last. Maybe I'll save my 4th for a "told you so" at the end? 7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry.
I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later. That would be dangerous. If only there was a simple way they could prove they aren't doing that...
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May 20, 2015, 11:26:11 PM |
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Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens. ...
If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.
If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have. It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord. Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam! Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed. Mr. Dean, Your highness! I dare say that if you want to warn people (which sounds very pleasing) You have to come with "justifications" to support your claims!!! I will keep my post comprehensive! If I track down your posts here... 1. Technical issues, where you pointed out and bashed Da Dice over technical issues that were not (to be very very honest) as serious as past issues on PRC ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Where Dooglus (I think it was him, can verify if needed) pointed out that you were imposing a higher house edge then advertised, and it was dooglus too infact where he pointed out that you tried to clone / rip-off (can't remember the wordings very clearly) Just-dice, or copied their system or something.. Do you remember Divest issue with PRC? where an investor could quickly press divest multiple times and get double or triple refunds? Your royal highness, I could just keep on going there reminding you of your own initial failures. (And I am not going to quote you any user calling you scam, while giving evidence and stuff, because I naturally did NOT believe them either!) 2. Cold storage issue... Here is the post that suggests you accept investments right from January 2014 (if NOT 2013) > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220740.msg4784065;topicseen#msg4784065Now about your Cold storage address: Wallet Address Issued in Forum: June 29, 2014 Wallet Address First Transaction: 2014-06-29 So it took you at least 6 months too to issue cold storage to public ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) And you expect DA Dice to do in less then 3 months??? 3. Your Panic... You know this for fact you are running a "flopped show" and you are in constant fear of other progressing Dice Sites... want an example? PrimeDice closes down for US player, Mr. Dean creates a new thread "US Players Welcome", Da Dice added ShapeShift.io, Mr. dean follows example and creates yet another thread "PocketRocketsCasino.eu - Now with Shapeshift.io - deposit with alt coins!" and I could just go on and on! Cheap Marketing Tactics?Take a look at your post here which is clearly a "Billboard-type" advertisement on Da Dice thread. Its called "Thread Hijacking" > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11383627#msg11383627Your use of RED colors and larger fonts reveals the fear inside you. Here is another example: Here's the https://pocketrocketscasino.eu proof of funds https://blockchain.info/address/1FhxjhFb1YudGC1vtV4FuLpQc2uHzq3XFdYou do this once ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) It shows your are geniunely concerned. You "over-do" it, you are spamming and thread hijacking ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Note: We have seen dooglus posting in very same thread before, we have seen Stunna here but nobody was holds as envy as you do Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam! Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.
Don't every try to now look good and team up with them... You didn't leave any chance of bashing Stunna or Primedice either. Alex and his sites are not even worth discussing... Dooglus I know for fact has trashed you multiple times right here on BCT, its only matter of digging and finding if needed.
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