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June 09, 2015, 07:31:56 PM
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I hitted the 99.99 number and didnt hit the jackpot !! why ?!!
i deposited btc and played and didnt receive please tell me why ?!

Hey mate. If you have a look in the FAQ you'll see that the bet ID and Unix Timestamp must also both be prime numbers. Our stats site has a prime checker in the jackpot section mate
I still dont understand what i have to do to get the jackpot?
first i hitted the 99.99 number and now i need something additionaly...confused

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June 09, 2015, 08:06:20 PM
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I hitted the 99.99 number and didnt hit the jackpot !! why ?!!
i deposited btc and played and didnt receive please tell me why ?!

Hey mate. If you have a look in the FAQ you'll see that the bet ID and Unix Timestamp must also both be prime numbers. Our stats site has a prime checker in the jackpot section mate
I still dont understand what i have to do to get the jackpot?
first i hitted the 99.99 number and now i need something additionaly...confused

Please read the rules, it is all stipulated there.

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June 09, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
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I hitted the 99.99 number and didnt hit the jackpot !! why ?!!
i deposited btc and played and didnt receive please tell me why ?!

Hey mate. If you have a look in the FAQ you'll see that the bet ID and Unix Timestamp must also both be prime numbers. Our stats site has a prime checker in the jackpot section mate
I still dont understand what i have to do to get the jackpot?
first i hitted the 99.99 number and now i need something additionaly...confused

The number of the bet must be a prime number as well as the unix timestamp of the bet must also be a prime number. you can check if that happened here : https://stats.dadice.com/

That is how the jackpot was set up otherwise it would go sveral times a day making it a giveaway and not a jackpot
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June 09, 2015, 08:33:32 PM
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I hitted the 99.99 number and didnt hit the jackpot !! why ?!!
i deposited btc and played and didnt receive please tell me why ?!

Hey mate. If you have a look in the FAQ you'll see that the bet ID and Unix Timestamp must also both be prime numbers. Our stats site has a prime checker in the jackpot section mate
I still dont understand what i have to do to get the jackpot?
first i hitted the 99.99 number and now i need something additionaly...confused

The number of the bet must be a prime number as well as the unix timestamp of the bet must also be a prime number. you can check if that happened here : https://stats.dadice.com/

That is how the jackpot was set up otherwise it would go sveral times a day making it a giveaway and not a jackpot
I dont understand what is the prime number and the unix timestamp,pretty much confused

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June 09, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
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I dont understand what is the prime number and the unix timestamp,pretty much confused

The bet ID must be a prime number and the timestamp of the bet must be a prime number.

More info:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
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June 09, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
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I dont understand what is the prime number and the unix timestamp,pretty much confused

The bet ID must be a prime number and the timestamp of the bet must be a prime number.

More info:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time

Thanks Dan mate
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June 09, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
Last edit: June 12, 2015, 08:06:14 PM by Da_Dice_Staff
 #2107

JACKPOT LEVEL!!!

The jackpot at the moment has yet to be won since it's inception just the other day.

We currently have a total of 1.04705382 BTC waiting to be won!

Keep Rollin' and the Jackpot could be yours!
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June 09, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

As for your "how does it charge?" question, I don't think that has been answered anywhere.

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June 09, 2015, 09:13:42 PM
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Looks like a fun site to gamble on.  The interface is very nice and it seems pretty fair.
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June 10, 2015, 08:48:59 AM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

As for your "how does it charge?" question, I don't think that has been answered anywhere.

Well I have passed along the message for you mate as the dev would be the best one to fully answer the question in that regard but as soon as he's able I can help you out there.

As to how it charges that has the same basis as any casino jackpot really coming from a percentage of the losses to the house Smiley

In general though as long as all of the criteria of the bet are met then the odds are correct. Thing is if it was cheated many players would notice that immediately as we have quite a few hunting the jackpot at the moment and that would cause a massive outcry. Smiley

In essence anybody can check the bets as even the ones that hit a portion of the qualifications (Roll as well as either bet ID, timestamp and deposit ) are listed automatically in chat with the bet ID visible and the player who rolled it. Easy to follow up on to be honest Smiley
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June 10, 2015, 09:37:40 AM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

As for your "how does it charge?" question, I don't think that has been answered anywhere.

It might make sense to either lower the jackpot to a way smaller amount, so that it really only gets broken when 99.99 is broken. Seeing so many wins might lead to more gamblers wanting to deposit.

Another way might be to put additional info to the bet results. Such as if the two primes were met. Together with an explaination popup div. That might clear a lot of misunderstandings.

I think there will come more disappointed gamblers that will ask what went wrong otherwise.

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June 10, 2015, 09:56:16 AM
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Any chances that the rolls can be much faster,i get a bet every 1.2 seconds and its really anoying me how slow it is
it would be better if it was 0.2 sec or 0.4 or something like that...

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June 10, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

As for your "how does it charge?" question, I don't think that has been answered anywhere.

Ok here we go mate a few points that may help I think:

1. that Jackpot is a marketing instrument to attract more depositing players,
2. the bulk of the progressive jackpot has been paid for by the other players' contributions to the jackpot
3. it is natural of any jackpot that the Expected Value (EV) can be very high. Remember people who won Million Dollar Slot Machine jackpots by inserting only one dollar.
4. The 4.4 million example only really counts only for advantage players.

I hope that helps a bit for you there Smiley

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June 10, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
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Any chances that the rolls can be much faster,i get a bet every 1.2 seconds and its really anoying me how slow it is
it would be better if it was 0.2 sec or 0.4 or something like that...

Should be fine, we are throttling down to 1 bet/sec for small bets. Just checked and made indeed 10 bets in 10 second.

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June 10, 2015, 10:55:33 AM
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It might make sense to either lower the jackpot to a way smaller amount, so that it really only gets broken when 99.99 is broken.

I dont think this would be a good idea because 99.99 is very easy to obtain especially in dadice where millions of rolls happen everyday. Many people would be claiming this easily if this is the only requirement for this especially if they are only betting with 1 satoshi then I guess there is a chance to roll 1x 99.99 in 100k rolls
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

Let me tell you, its called "JACKPOT" and spelled "J - A - C - K - P - O - T". The rewards are huge, that is why its called Jackpot, I don't think you understand the term so let me help you out with the first thing you will find on google:

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a large cash prize in a game or lottery, especially one that accumulates until it is won.

Also I am certain you don't understand concept of "marketing" that well... Da Dice paid like 1.15 and 0.1 for 200 million rolls event. This event had total 100 million rolls since the last event, there for if I take your example. 1.25 * pow(10,8) = 125000000; 125000000/100000000 = 1.25 satoshis per roll!!!. Now throw in total know amount Da Dice has paid on signature campaign (I read 36 or 38 BTC figure if I am not wrong), divide that by total rolls made so far, (220m?) and just wonder how much Da Dice is spending PER ROLL. In fact this is all an illusion and irrelevant calculations. That including the jackpot money is part of their marketing campaign and efforts.

The dumbest point of your calculation is that you assume each and every roll being a 1 satoshi bet. The most commited faucet player on Da Dice are known to roll 12500 satoshis per roll.  

Now for jackpot calculations, they are pretty simple as well. Chances of hitting 99.99 is in area of 0.01% Smiley in some cases I got maximum of 0.011% probability. Da Dice daily average rolls are about 5 million. So I will take this figure, from 5m rolls per day there should be between 500 to 600 rolls with 99.99 everyday. Bet ID is the first prime number requirement which is currently over 200m. Even in this range there is a huge number of primes, I check randomly and found 5,234,886 primes only in range of 150m to 250m = 5.2%. From 1900m to 2000m I found about 4.2% of primes. Number of primes is certainly too much that is definitely why Da Dice has placed 2 primes rules. Now lets assume 5% being the chance of bet ID being prime, 0.05*0.01=0.0005%. About timestamps primes,, difficulty for me to test that was a little higher, I ran a few tests and was able to calculate 1000 in a single go. I found results vary from  3.2% to 5.1%. But collective average result that I got was 4% Smiley 0.04*0.0005=0.00002% probability. Now: 0.00002/100*5000000 = 1 Smiley That means probability of hitting Jackpot with both primes rule and having a 99.99 is 1 per day on average of 5 million rolls per day. (Here my and your calculations do not collide as its all mathematical probabilities, it could hit on very next second).

Now any user with some technical knowledge and ability to write a simple bot script in PHP, JAVA, C, ASP to use Da Dice API for rolling, stopping at 99.99 and checking primes and IDs will never pass such a stupid remarks "if the site is fair". Only thing that is not fair here is you Smiley
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June 10, 2015, 01:57:27 PM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

Let me tell you, its called "JACKPOT" and spelled "J - A - C - K - P - O - T". The rewards are huge, that is why its called Jackpot, I don't think you understand the term so let me help you out with the first thing you will find on google:

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a large cash prize in a game or lottery, especially one that accumulates until it is won.

Also I am certain you don't understand concept of "marketing" that well... Da Dice paid like 1.15 and 0.1 for 200 million rolls event. This event had total 100 million rolls since the last event, there for if I take your example. 1.25 * pow(10,8) = 125000000; 125000000/100000000 = 1.25 satoshis per roll!!!. Now throw in total know amount Da Dice has paid on signature campaign (I read 36 or 38 BTC figure if I am not wrong), divide that by total rolls made so far, (220m?) and just wonder how much Da Dice is spending PER ROLL. In fact this is all an illusion and irrelevant calculations. That including the jackpot money is part of their marketing campaign and efforts.

The dumbest point of your calculation is that you assume each and every roll being a 1 satoshi bet. The most commited faucet player on Da Dice are known to roll 12500 satoshis per roll.  

Now for jackpot calculations, they are pretty simple as well. Chances of hitting 99.99 is in area of 0.01% Smiley in some cases I got maximum of 0.011% probability. Da Dice daily average rolls are about 5 million. So I will take this figure, from 5m rolls per day there should be between 500 to 600 rolls with 99.99 everyday. Bet ID is the first prime number requirement which is currently over 200m. Even in this range there is a huge number of primes, I check randomly and found 5,234,886 primes only in range of 150m to 250m = 5.2%. From 1900m to 2000m I found about 4.2% of primes. Number of primes is certainly too much that is definitely why Da Dice has placed 2 primes rules. Now lets assume 5% being the chance of bet ID being prime, 0.05*0.01=0.0005%. About timestamps primes,, difficulty for me to test that was a little higher, I ran a few tests and was able to calculate 1000 in a single go. I found results vary from  3.2% to 5.1%. But collective average result that I got was 4% Smiley 0.04*0.0005=0.00002% probability. Now: 0.00002/100*5000000 = 1 Smiley That means probability of hitting Jackpot with both primes rule and having a 99.99 is 1 per day on average of 5 million rolls per day. (Here my and your calculations do not collide as its all mathematical probabilities, it could hit on very next second).

Now any user with some technical knowledge and ability to write a simple bot script in PHP, JAVA, C, ASP to use Da Dice API for rolling, stopping at 99.99 and checking primes and IDs will never pass such a stupid remarks "if the site is fair". Only thing that is not fair here is you Smiley

Your numbers match to doogs. he said 1 in 4.4million you say 1 in 5 million. Yours do have some error as you calculated by sampling data rather than pure math. Which i suppose is ok for this purpose. As for the positive ev, who cares. As long as it brings in more depositors. Infact a +EV game should bring in a lot of new depositors as people love a game they have advantage in. This is probably good marketing, time will tell how many take up this offer.

I think what doog was saying about provably fair (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), is that there is no way to create a provably fair model from using time and bet IDs. These variables are arbitrary. There is no mechanism to prove that a user click occurred at a particular time. These variables can also be controlled, at least a time delay could cause a possible winner to not win or squeeze a bet before the winning bet to make the bet ID not prime. He is not saying there is manipulation, he is just saying that a gambling site which has a provably fair system should create games that are always provably fair. This jackpot cannot be provably fair because if a user disputes the time a bet was made, they can't prove that they made the bet at a particular time. So therefore the jackpot is not provably fair. Thinking of a new provably fair method would be better. Like maybe the same number coming up x times in a row. Or a special sequence of numbers. This way the user can verify their loss or win.
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

Let me tell you, its called "JACKPOT" and spelled "J - A - C - K - P - O - T". The rewards are huge, that is why its called Jackpot, I don't think you understand the term so let me help you out with the first thing you will find on google:

Quote
a large cash prize in a game or lottery, especially one that accumulates until it is won.

Also I am certain you don't understand concept of "marketing" that well... Da Dice paid like 1.15 and 0.1 for 200 million rolls event. This event had total 100 million rolls since the last event, there for if I take your example. 1.25 * pow(10,8) = 125000000; 125000000/100000000 = 1.25 satoshis per roll!!!. Now throw in total know amount Da Dice has paid on signature campaign (I read 36 or 38 BTC figure if I am not wrong), divide that by total rolls made so far, (220m?) and just wonder how much Da Dice is spending PER ROLL. In fact this is all an illusion and irrelevant calculations. That including the jackpot money is part of their marketing campaign and efforts.

The dumbest point of your calculation is that you assume each and every roll being a 1 satoshi bet. The most commited faucet player on Da Dice are known to roll 12500 satoshis per roll.  

Now for jackpot calculations, they are pretty simple as well. Chances of hitting 99.99 is in area of 0.01% Smiley in some cases I got maximum of 0.011% probability. Da Dice daily average rolls are about 5 million. So I will take this figure, from 5m rolls per day there should be between 500 to 600 rolls with 99.99 everyday. Bet ID is the first prime number requirement which is currently over 200m. Even in this range there is a huge number of primes, I check randomly and found 5,234,886 primes only in range of 150m to 250m = 5.2%. From 1900m to 2000m I found about 4.2% of primes. Number of primes is certainly too much that is definitely why Da Dice has placed 2 primes rules. Now lets assume 5% being the chance of bet ID being prime, 0.05*0.01=0.0005%. About timestamps primes,, difficulty for me to test that was a little higher, I ran a few tests and was able to calculate 1000 in a single go. I found results vary from  3.2% to 5.1%. But collective average result that I got was 4% Smiley 0.04*0.0005=0.00002% probability. Now: 0.00002/100*5000000 = 1 Smiley That means probability of hitting Jackpot with both primes rule and having a 99.99 is 1 per day on average of 5 million rolls per day. (Here my and your calculations do not collide as its all mathematical probabilities, it could hit on very next second).

Now any user with some technical knowledge and ability to write a simple bot script in PHP, JAVA, C, ASP to use Da Dice API for rolling, stopping at 99.99 and checking primes and IDs will never pass such a stupid remarks "if the site is fair". Only thing that is not fair here is you Smiley

Your numbers match to doogs. he said 1 in 4.4million you say 1 in 5 million. Yours do have some error as you calculated by sampling data rather than pure math. Which i suppose is ok for this purpose. As for the positive ev, who cares if it brings in more depositors. Infact a +EV game should bring in a lot of new depositors as people love a game they have advantage in. This is probably good marketing, time will tell how many take up this offer.

I think what doog was saying about provably fair (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), is that there is no way to create a provably fair model from using time and bet IDs. These variables are arbitrary. There is no mechanism to prove that a user click occurred at a particular time. These variables can also be controlled, at least a time delay could cause a possible winner to not win or squeeze a bet before the winning bet to make the bet ID not prime. He is not saying there is manipulation, he is just saying that a gambling site which has a provably fair system should create games that are always provably fair. This jackpot cannot be provably fair because if a user disputes the time a bet was made, they can't prove that they made the bet at a particular time. So therefore the jackpot is not provably fair. Thinking of a new provably fair method would be better. Like maybe the same number coming up x times in a row. Or a special sequence of numbers. This way the user can verify their loss or win.

The difference in my data and doogs data is that doog only picked 1 sample data and I made an average out of multiple samples.

1. Make a roll with API, and on each roll if your bet ID is not a prime then check for prime numbers in both direction. When you find the nearest one (which could have been yours), check the betinfo to find who took it. EVERY ROLL ID MUST HAVE A ROLLER!
2. When sending API call for a roll, save your own timestamp and then match it with timestamp provided with da dice. Of course there will be some difference due to latency and front end proxies on Da Dice server (i.e. Cloudflare) but again checking for prime numbers in both directs (- and +) will reveal if you had any chance for hitting the jackpot with certain roll.

Of course its some work but in my opinion, it is provably fair Smiley
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June 10, 2015, 02:46:24 PM
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There arent much other requirements,only others are that we need to deposit so we can win the jackpot
with faucet we cant get a cent even

You're missing an important one: both the betid and the time need to be prime. That's about a 1 in 440 chance if the site is fair, and worse if they decide to cheat. So it's a 1-in-4.4 million chance of hitting the jackpot per bet. But if you bet 1 satoshi each time, the prize is 0.2 BTC (20 million satoshi) and so it's very +EV for you - in in 4.4 million chance of hitting 20 million times payout... Mr. DaDice Staff is apparently working on a addressing this concern for me.

Let me tell you, its called "JACKPOT" and spelled "J - A - C - K - P - O - T". The rewards are huge, that is why its called Jackpot, I don't think you understand the term so let me help you out with the first thing you will find on google:

Quote
a large cash prize in a game or lottery, especially one that accumulates until it is won.

Also I am certain you don't understand concept of "marketing" that well... Da Dice paid like 1.15 and 0.1 for 200 million rolls event. This event had total 100 million rolls since the last event, there for if I take your example. 1.25 * pow(10,8) = 125000000; 125000000/100000000 = 1.25 satoshis per roll!!!. Now throw in total know amount Da Dice has paid on signature campaign (I read 36 or 38 BTC figure if I am not wrong), divide that by total rolls made so far, (220m?) and just wonder how much Da Dice is spending PER ROLL. In fact this is all an illusion and irrelevant calculations. That including the jackpot money is part of their marketing campaign and efforts.

The dumbest point of your calculation is that you assume each and every roll being a 1 satoshi bet. The most commited faucet player on Da Dice are known to roll 12500 satoshis per roll.  

Now for jackpot calculations, they are pretty simple as well. Chances of hitting 99.99 is in area of 0.01% Smiley in some cases I got maximum of 0.011% probability. Da Dice daily average rolls are about 5 million. So I will take this figure, from 5m rolls per day there should be between 500 to 600 rolls with 99.99 everyday. Bet ID is the first prime number requirement which is currently over 200m. Even in this range there is a huge number of primes, I check randomly and found 5,234,886 primes only in range of 150m to 250m = 5.2%. From 1900m to 2000m I found about 4.2% of primes. Number of primes is certainly too much that is definitely why Da Dice has placed 2 primes rules. Now lets assume 5% being the chance of bet ID being prime, 0.05*0.01=0.0005%. About timestamps primes,, difficulty for me to test that was a little higher, I ran a few tests and was able to calculate 1000 in a single go. I found results vary from  3.2% to 5.1%. But collective average result that I got was 4% Smiley 0.04*0.0005=0.00002% probability. Now: 0.00002/100*5000000 = 1 Smiley That means probability of hitting Jackpot with both primes rule and having a 99.99 is 1 per day on average of 5 million rolls per day. (Here my and your calculations do not collide as its all mathematical probabilities, it could hit on very next second).

Now any user with some technical knowledge and ability to write a simple bot script in PHP, JAVA, C, ASP to use Da Dice API for rolling, stopping at 99.99 and checking primes and IDs will never pass such a stupid remarks "if the site is fair". Only thing that is not fair here is you Smiley

Your numbers match to doogs. he said 1 in 4.4million you say 1 in 5 million. Yours do have some error as you calculated by sampling data rather than pure math. Which i suppose is ok for this purpose. As for the positive ev, who cares if it brings in more depositors. Infact a +EV game should bring in a lot of new depositors as people love a game they have advantage in. This is probably good marketing, time will tell how many take up this offer.

I think what doog was saying about provably fair (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), is that there is no way to create a provably fair model from using time and bet IDs. These variables are arbitrary. There is no mechanism to prove that a user click occurred at a particular time. These variables can also be controlled, at least a time delay could cause a possible winner to not win or squeeze a bet before the winning bet to make the bet ID not prime. He is not saying there is manipulation, he is just saying that a gambling site which has a provably fair system should create games that are always provably fair. This jackpot cannot be provably fair because if a user disputes the time a bet was made, they can't prove that they made the bet at a particular time. So therefore the jackpot is not provably fair. Thinking of a new provably fair method would be better. Like maybe the same number coming up x times in a row. Or a special sequence of numbers. This way the user can verify their loss or win.

The difference in my data and doogs data is that doog only picked 1 sample data and I made an average out of multiple samples.

1. Make a roll with API, and on each roll if your bet ID is not a prime then check for prime numbers in both direction. When you find the nearest one (which could have been yours), check the betinfo to find who took it. EVERY ROLL ID MUST HAVE A ROLLER!
2. When sending API call for a roll, save your own timestamp and then match it with timestamp provided with da dice. Of course there will be some difference due to latency and front end proxies on Da Dice server (i.e. Cloudflare) but again checking for prime numbers in both directs (- and +) will reveal if you had any chance for hitting the jackpot with certain roll.

Of course its some work but in my opinion, it is provably fair Smiley


It's still not provably fair. Even if you do like you say, and you claim your bet was made at a particular time, you can't prove it and dadice will say the server time is what they will use. So even if you track time of bets, you will never be able to prove it. And as a result it could be tampered with. It's not provably fair in the way that the dice rolls are. They are pre-determined and can be tested at any time. Most people don't test the dice rolls, I doubt they will be monitoring computer time and making sure it matches to a timeserver. Not everyone is an IT wizard, most users wont know that epoch is. There are other ways to offer a jackpot that don't include variables that can be manipulated, and I think this was doogs point entirely.
A gambling site doesn't have to be provably fair at all, but people like to have a fool proof provably fair mechanism that their peers can also help with comparing results. If someone says "My bet was 1 ID off being prime and winning the jackpot", or "My bet was 1 second off being prime and winning the jackpot" that could open up all sorts of conspiracies. But I suppose no one will ever know, because no one is ever going to be running personalized code to track it.
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June 10, 2015, 02:52:10 PM
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Please just use your DaDice account


You picked up on that too? I was thinking it is the DaDice dev under a new account. Could just be someone who really loves dadice, but seems too aggressive for an ordinary customer.
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