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[mfaspk]

Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.

The problem is that every site  (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops.

...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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[mfaspk]

And we have explained why we don't do this. As long as nobody is complaining here that withdrawals requests are not honored or an investor complaining that he requested his cold wallet and we don't comply - then I would agree with your concerns.

But we do process withdrawals all the time and we have a skype group where we are in personal contact with all our investors.

This thread has become a witch-hunt and by any means, we are not willing to take part in it. We have overtaken most other dice sites by rolls in less than 3 month, our members base is growing daily and so are the wagered amounts. But according to you guys all we do is wrong. Well we can leave 'Troll Central' as well, as mentioned earlier - and believe me, we would still go on on the fast lane of the road.

Well.. I've been out of it for a while.. But it's getting worser and worser.

You process withdrawals only because its dust, it doesn't say anything at all. It's like saying we have a site.

What you've overtaken? Number of free rolls from faucet? You wagered amount per month is what? Close to 50BTC max? If you remove faucet there will be no play at all. You have huge expenses. By your own words its 4BTC per week only for forum needs. Which makes it to 16BTC monthy. What's your server expenses? You have developer who doesnt work for free. And you have faucet. Which drains how much? 5BTC monthly at least? Let's round it to the lowest and make it 25BTC monthly.

You need to wager at least 2500 BTC monthly. If you ARE lucky to get 1% in case you have all the bankroll, which you don't. However in the last three month you have wagered only 4200BTC from which 50% was wagered by your own developer. So here is the question where is the money, honey?

I see here two ways. First, you use investors money, play against your own bankroll as no-one can see what's your real profit. Secondly, you inject _virtual_ money to lower real investors cut, which is good for you if people loose. But what will happen when someone would win?

You have stats.dadice.com which works with real data, how can you explain this: http://prntscr.com/77ijnc

You can still go numb and say that "we do our own business and we don't give a damn about BCT users". But you can. Deal with it.

Regards,
Alex.

Alex, If may I ask Your site is announced (or upgraded to V3 as post title suggests) in 20th Feburary 2014. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.0) Stunna's post concerning your site as well is posted on 23rd July 2014. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg7993698#msg7993698). Your  cold storage address is from 25th August 2014... It took you 6 MONTHS to issue cold storage address publically???

V3 was like two month ago BitDice started to work in Feb\March 2014 don't remember exactly. ANd for the first 4-5 month it was only with my own bankroll. After I've implemented investments I've been asked to publish cold wallet, which I did.

You know what YOU ARE A LIAR! Take a look at this post from July 2014 where a user suggests he has already invested in your site. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg8058891#msg8058891. Where is the officiall announcement of investment program being added "after" the site launched. Even if it did in July (for which there is no evidence) you still didn't provide cold storage right from start.

It took you 6 months to issue cold storage address. AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH YOU ALONE. I MEAN ALL OF THEM!

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!! It took you 6 months to issue a publically signed cold storage address. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476998.msg8529697#msg8529697) and You are here criticizing a new Dice Site which isn't even 3 months old yet.

[dooglus]

The problem is that every site  (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops.

...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Not true. Just-Dice had proof-of-solvency since launch.

It's not about being threatened, it's about warning the community of a likely scam.

If the site is solvent then there is a simple solution to this ... demonstrate it!

[waterpile]

Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.

The problem is that every site  (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops.

...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

thats not the problem

The problem is dadice isn't willing to show solvency.

[mfaspk]

The problem is that every site  (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops.

...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Not true. Just-Dice had proof-of-solvency since launch.

It's not about being threatened, it's about warning the community of a likely scam.

If the site is solvent then there is a simple solution to this ... demonstrate it!

Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens.

Oh well the newbie wont solve anything coz if dadice happened to be transparent in the first place then this problem have been solved already.

The problem is that every site  (bashing dadice here) took its time to issue cold storage, and I know this for a fact starting from PRC I mean cut some slack here guys! If they are so threatened by Da Dice why don't they just close their own shops.

...again Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

thats not the problem

The problem is dadice isn't willing to show solvency.

If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning. Let them take their time

+1 tspacepilot...

I just want to add my two cent worth of thoughts here...

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here.

3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it.

4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice.

5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice.

6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING.

7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry.
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[PocketRocketsCasino]

Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens.
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If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.

If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have.

It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord.

Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam!
Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.

[Quickseller]

Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens.
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If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.

If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have.

It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord.

Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam!
Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.

If there is another bitcoin gambling related scam then people will be less willing to gamble their money at other bitcoin related casinos which would result in less business for the others of those other casinos

[dooglus]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

2. Da Dice as far as I have seen has been honouring all withdrawal requests. I have seen users been paid up to 18 BTC per request here.

That's the same argument every Ponzi scheme supporter makes. "It's not a scam, they're paying". Every scam site pays at first, then stops. The fact that they currently honour withdrawal requests proves nothing; they could still be insolvent.

3. The only person who should be demanding a cold storage address is the one who is investor of Da Dice himself. No other person, 3rd party casino owner has any right to tell Da Dice how to run there business. You cannot compel Da Dice to do something just because you have done it or somebody else would have done it.

It's easy to prove solvency if you're solvent, and impossible if you aren't. The fact that DaDice refuses to do it is cause for concern.

4. Da Dice doesn't promote/spread/chant "Invest Here!!!" slogans. Da Dice (as its well known) started with Bankroll of 500 BTC, If over 108+ BTC have been paid out, and Bank roll is nearly double right now it is a VERY HEALTHY sign from Da Dice.

But we can't tell how big the bankroll is because they refuse to show it to us. All we see are the numbers that they control, and they could be made up.

5. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest. Investors are free to do their own due diligence proir to making any sort of decision, anyone including dean and stunna have no right to do this for others. Making an investment or not on Da Dice is solely on any individual's own determination. Da Dice doesn't force its users to invest nor any sort of investment is required to benefit from Da Dice.

That's true. It is up to each investor to investigate for themselves. Now that the site's unwillingness to provide proof of solvency is more visible that will help potential investors and players when they are doing their investigation. Otherwise maybe some would miss the fact that every dice site taking public investments except DaDice offers proof of solvency. The individual investors are still free to make their own decision of course. It's just that now they have more information upon which to base their decision.

6. Sharing your "concerns" here 1 time is reasonable, doing it again and again is SPAMMING and THREAD HIJACKING.

This is my third post to this thread. I guess I'll try to make it my last. Maybe I'll save my 4th for a "told you so" at the end?

7. Last but not least, let us also agree to the fact that no other dice site would be threatned right now if they also didn't agree to fact that Da Dice is gaining popularity very fast and is (for fact) way superior then all other current ones in industry.

I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later. That would be dangerous. If only there was a simple way they could prove they aren't doing that...

[mfaspk]

Dooglus, You are truely a legendary person here! Everybody at BCT knows you and respects you. I know Just-Dice does that, and I am not going to even try to research on it for a bit. If you read my post in your own quote I have said "every site (bashing dadice here)"... Posting critism is not bashing, I meant to point to Dean and his henchmens.
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If I am not wrong, few pages before, they said they "will" show solvency untill PRC's jackass dean and his henchmens started their filthy marketing tactics to bash Da Dice. And then other flopped shows from Bitcoin dice industry also jumped in without any reasoning.

If you look at my post there was no bashing. I warned people of you running a potential scam and asked you to provide proof of solvency the same as NLNico did. Which everyone here agrees you should have.

It's well known here that I don't use alt accounts to post something that some might find controversial (or even wrong). None of those accounts were PRC "henchmen" or marketing tactics. Yes there were players and supporters of PRC that posted but they only highlighted real problems with your site and did so through their own accord.

Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam!
Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.

Mr. Dean, Your highness! I dare say that if you want to warn people (which sounds very pleasing) You have to come with "justifications" to support your claims!!! I will keep my post comprehensive!

If I track down your posts here...
1. Technical issues, where you pointed out and bashed Da Dice over technical issues that were not (to be very very honest) as serious as past issues on PRC Where Dooglus (I think it was him, can verify if needed) pointed out that you were imposing a higher house edge then advertised, and it was dooglus too infact where he pointed out that you tried to clone / rip-off (can't remember the wordings very clearly) Just-dice, or copied their system or something.. Do you remember Divest issue with PRC? where an investor could quickly press divest multiple times and get double or triple refunds?

Your royal highness, I could just keep on going there reminding you of your own initial failures. (And I am not going to quote you any user calling you scam, while giving evidence and stuff, because I naturally did NOT believe them either!)

2. Cold storage issue... Here is the post that suggests you accept investments right from January 2014 (if NOT 2013) > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=220740.msg4784065;topicseen#msg4784065

Now about your Cold storage address:
Wallet Address Issued in Forum: June 29, 2014
Wallet Address First Transaction: 2014-06-29

So it took you at least 6 months too to issue cold storage to public And you expect DA Dice to do in less then 3 months???

3. Your Panic... You know this for fact you are running a "flopped show" and you are in constant fear of other progressing Dice Sites... want an example? PrimeDice closes down for US player, Mr. Dean creates a new thread "US Players Welcome", Da Dice added ShapeShift.io, Mr. dean follows example and creates yet another thread "PocketRocketsCasino.eu - Now with Shapeshift.io - deposit with alt coins!" and I could just go on and on!

Cheap Marketing Tactics?

Take a look at your post here which is clearly a "Billboard-type" advertisement on Da Dice thread. Its called "Thread Hijacking" > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=973765.msg11383627#msg11383627

Your use of RED colors and larger fonts reveals the fear inside you. Here is another example: Here's the https://pocketrocketscasino.eu proof of funds https://blockchain.info/address/1FhxjhFb1YudGC1vtV4FuLpQc2uHzq3XFd

You do this once It shows your are geniunely concerned. You "over-do" it, you are spamming and thread hijacking

Note:
We have seen dooglus posting in very same thread before, we have seen Stunna here but nobody was holds as envy as you do

Alex, Stunna, Dooglus and I didn't post because we were threatened by your site. We post because none of us want yet another Bitcoin scam!
Forget PRC or any of our sites, another scam doesn't just hurt us but the entire Bitcoin community and gives even more ammo for people who don't want Bitcoin to succeed.

Don't every try to now look good and team up with them... You didn't leave any chance of bashing Stunna or Primedice either. Alex and his sites are not even worth discussing... Dooglus I know for fact has trashed you multiple times right here on BCT, its only matter of digging and finding if needed.

[mfaspk]

I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later. That would be dangerous. If only there was a simple way they could prove they aren't doing that...

If this was the case, we would have already heard it here on BCT. I don't want to comment on rest but the very first point: "it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good" I think any one can now verify that using blockchain. One of the guys has already posted associated addresses with Da Dice wallet So this would just be speculation / allegation. Its not Da Dice's duty to proof anything, it duty of person who makes such allegations to prove it.

[Quickseller]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

Cross posting since it is relevant here as well:
Yes, it appears that all TX's into that address are from the DaDice Hot Wallet.


Looking through the transaction history of 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu there is a few transactions of interest. There is txid 5359858afea90c2628e83aa540e4c8c407307c73dd5e12776627a627e93afc14 that had sent ~28 BTC to 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu then the following transaction, txid 3743839633b8500ab67ddde191ae2cb4d8578ae62f9a95153ab9ef9d6d8dc811 sent ~18 BTC to 13T1eoJTe9mCMdNpYaCE26DNKqPjxNZrqu which is a known Bitfinex address.

Previously, txid 8d141b3a68b662ee0b9eda5aa473394fd4164645b699acdc656238c4d8022f91 sent ~ 2 BTC to the same address as above after receiving 2 BTC from the DaDice Hot Wallet (their deposit addresses).

Prior to that, txid 2f3890a7a01cac24103187215f9604f8360ccbbbf05c2c987d57ba1aa53b056c was sent from their deposit addresses to 1HMAg... then the following tx (txid e69e9c02b1f5af48c2fd52d73b1edb28c80ed629e896b0afda8f7db42bef48ed) sent 10 BTC to 157sSisTvWJyGKEzGrsPjr85rcvaRx9gei which is a known LBC address.

Prior to that txid eda31938a18195c80bc910a279dc4fd5547f65a69f49bc5209b99f0accd403aa sent 2 BTC to the 1HMAg.... address and the following transaction sent 1.4 BTC to 1Hhpf847U3xvpx66dYhrJTZmAWL6hSuGJa which on the following transaction (txid 6d94eb1b1fecf8b1d5e6577e987f19a39434206932674105a7752d5f11841f63) to 1E3yepRj7A2WwSE3yghS8bQPrVPWGXfEWj which is a known Agora Market address (a Dark Net Market).

The vast majority of the remainder of the transactions out of the 1HMAg.... address are for dust amounts (under .01).

I would also question how exactly their large investors ever got their money to them in the first place. In theory their investors would deposit into their deposit address, that address would be spend-linked to the rest of their deposit addresses and then it would be moved to cold storage. However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

[mfaspk]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

Cross posting since it is relevant here as well:
Yes, it appears that all TX's into that address are from the DaDice Hot Wallet.


Looking through the transaction history of 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu there is a few transactions of interest. There is txid 5359858afea90c2628e83aa540e4c8c407307c73dd5e12776627a627e93afc14 that had sent ~28 BTC to 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu then the following transaction, txid 3743839633b8500ab67ddde191ae2cb4d8578ae62f9a95153ab9ef9d6d8dc811 sent ~18 BTC to 13T1eoJTe9mCMdNpYaCE26DNKqPjxNZrqu which is a known Bitfinex address.

Previously, txid 8d141b3a68b662ee0b9eda5aa473394fd4164645b699acdc656238c4d8022f91 sent ~ 2 BTC to the same address as above after receiving 2 BTC from the DaDice Hot Wallet (their deposit addresses).

Prior to that, txid 2f3890a7a01cac24103187215f9604f8360ccbbbf05c2c987d57ba1aa53b056c was sent from their deposit addresses to 1HMAg... then the following tx (txid e69e9c02b1f5af48c2fd52d73b1edb28c80ed629e896b0afda8f7db42bef48ed) sent 10 BTC to 157sSisTvWJyGKEzGrsPjr85rcvaRx9gei which is a known LBC address.

Prior to that txid eda31938a18195c80bc910a279dc4fd5547f65a69f49bc5209b99f0accd403aa sent 2 BTC to the 1HMAg.... address and the following transaction sent 1.4 BTC to 1Hhpf847U3xvpx66dYhrJTZmAWL6hSuGJa which on the following transaction (txid 6d94eb1b1fecf8b1d5e6577e987f19a39434206932674105a7752d5f11841f63) to 1E3yepRj7A2WwSE3yghS8bQPrVPWGXfEWj which is a known Agora Market address (a Dark Net Market).

The vast majority of the remainder of the transactions out of the 1HMAg.... address are for dust amounts (under .01).

I would also question how exactly their large investors ever got their money to them in the first place. In theory their investors would deposit into their deposit address, that address would be spend-linked to the rest of their deposit addresses and then it would be moved to cold storage. However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

What a stupid analysis composition!

See.. you all your transactions show the "Change Back" to 1HMA... address The 18 BTC transaction also carries a withdrawal flag and now regarding Darknet or anything, even you could go there now and as a user of Da Dice withdraw to any bitcoin address of your choice. In fact the very same can be done at any site.

I don't personally care how much they have received or paid, it was just a point I raised after noticing.  Apart from one transaction, all of them carry withdrawal flags. Have you not found anything such thing on PrimeDice or PRC hot wallets? Do you want me to check that for you ?

My point remains same... Many of you are concerned and many of you (dice owners especially Dean the Fraud) didn't post their own cold storage address for MONTHS even after investment option was there. Show your concerns and leave If you over do it, its spamming and hijaking.

[Altcoin4life]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

Cross posting since it is relevant here as well:
Yes, it appears that all TX's into that address are from the DaDice Hot Wallet.


Looking through the transaction history of 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu there is a few transactions of interest. There is txid 5359858afea90c2628e83aa540e4c8c407307c73dd5e12776627a627e93afc14 that had sent ~28 BTC to 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu then the following transaction, txid 3743839633b8500ab67ddde191ae2cb4d8578ae62f9a95153ab9ef9d6d8dc811 sent ~18 BTC to 13T1eoJTe9mCMdNpYaCE26DNKqPjxNZrqu which is a known Bitfinex address.

Previously, txid 8d141b3a68b662ee0b9eda5aa473394fd4164645b699acdc656238c4d8022f91 sent ~ 2 BTC to the same address as above after receiving 2 BTC from the DaDice Hot Wallet (their deposit addresses).

Prior to that, txid 2f3890a7a01cac24103187215f9604f8360ccbbbf05c2c987d57ba1aa53b056c was sent from their deposit addresses to 1HMAg... then the following tx (txid e69e9c02b1f5af48c2fd52d73b1edb28c80ed629e896b0afda8f7db42bef48ed) sent 10 BTC to 157sSisTvWJyGKEzGrsPjr85rcvaRx9gei which is a known LBC address.

Prior to that txid eda31938a18195c80bc910a279dc4fd5547f65a69f49bc5209b99f0accd403aa sent 2 BTC to the 1HMAg.... address and the following transaction sent 1.4 BTC to 1Hhpf847U3xvpx66dYhrJTZmAWL6hSuGJa which on the following transaction (txid 6d94eb1b1fecf8b1d5e6577e987f19a39434206932674105a7752d5f11841f63) to 1E3yepRj7A2WwSE3yghS8bQPrVPWGXfEWj which is a known Agora Market address (a Dark Net Market).

The vast majority of the remainder of the transactions out of the 1HMAg.... address are for dust amounts (under .01).

I would also question how exactly their large investors ever got their money to them in the first place. In theory their investors would deposit into their deposit address, that address would be spend-linked to the rest of their deposit addresses and then it would be moved to cold storage. However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

Remind me to never piss this guy off lol

[mfaspk]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

Cross posting since it is relevant here as well:
Yes, it appears that all TX's into that address are from the DaDice Hot Wallet.


Looking through the transaction history of 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu there is a few transactions of interest. There is txid 5359858afea90c2628e83aa540e4c8c407307c73dd5e12776627a627e93afc14 that had sent ~28 BTC to 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu then the following transaction, txid 3743839633b8500ab67ddde191ae2cb4d8578ae62f9a95153ab9ef9d6d8dc811 sent ~18 BTC to 13T1eoJTe9mCMdNpYaCE26DNKqPjxNZrqu which is a known Bitfinex address.

Previously, txid 8d141b3a68b662ee0b9eda5aa473394fd4164645b699acdc656238c4d8022f91 sent ~ 2 BTC to the same address as above after receiving 2 BTC from the DaDice Hot Wallet (their deposit addresses).

Prior to that, txid 2f3890a7a01cac24103187215f9604f8360ccbbbf05c2c987d57ba1aa53b056c was sent from their deposit addresses to 1HMAg... then the following tx (txid e69e9c02b1f5af48c2fd52d73b1edb28c80ed629e896b0afda8f7db42bef48ed) sent 10 BTC to 157sSisTvWJyGKEzGrsPjr85rcvaRx9gei which is a known LBC address.

Prior to that txid eda31938a18195c80bc910a279dc4fd5547f65a69f49bc5209b99f0accd403aa sent 2 BTC to the 1HMAg.... address and the following transaction sent 1.4 BTC to 1Hhpf847U3xvpx66dYhrJTZmAWL6hSuGJa which on the following transaction (txid 6d94eb1b1fecf8b1d5e6577e987f19a39434206932674105a7752d5f11841f63) to 1E3yepRj7A2WwSE3yghS8bQPrVPWGXfEWj which is a known Agora Market address (a Dark Net Market).

The vast majority of the remainder of the transactions out of the 1HMAg.... address are for dust amounts (under .01).

I would also question how exactly their large investors ever got their money to them in the first place. In theory their investors would deposit into their deposit address, that address would be spend-linked to the rest of their deposit addresses and then it would be moved to cold storage. However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

Remind me to never piss this guy off lol

Huh!!! ahahhahah.... OR you could just offer him a BJ. He is talking about a HOT wallet (suddently the whole debate has moved form COLD to HOT because no one can justify their own delays in publically showing cold storage) A god forsaken hot wallet is a hot wallet... A user can withdraw from it TO ANY address, including but not limited to exchangers, dark net, pimps and hoes, drugs dealers, etc...

(Now later dean will come back quoting one these posting, totally negelcting my last that I made for him after quoting him... Usual dean )

[Altcoin4life]

1. Someone mentioned DaDice hot wallet earlier (https://blockchain.info/address/1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu) and its clear Da Dice has paid 108+ BTC, Which is a very reasonable amount for a new dice site.

The amount is really quite meaningless. 100 BTC of it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good. It really doesn't prove anything; they could still be insolvent.

Cross posting since it is relevant here as well:
Yes, it appears that all TX's into that address are from the DaDice Hot Wallet.


Looking through the transaction history of 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu there is a few transactions of interest. There is txid 5359858afea90c2628e83aa540e4c8c407307c73dd5e12776627a627e93afc14 that had sent ~28 BTC to 1HMAgvunJzr3HoRAUFg3VuU2UJm9KWDjFu then the following transaction, txid 3743839633b8500ab67ddde191ae2cb4d8578ae62f9a95153ab9ef9d6d8dc811 sent ~18 BTC to 13T1eoJTe9mCMdNpYaCE26DNKqPjxNZrqu which is a known Bitfinex address.

Previously, txid 8d141b3a68b662ee0b9eda5aa473394fd4164645b699acdc656238c4d8022f91 sent ~ 2 BTC to the same address as above after receiving 2 BTC from the DaDice Hot Wallet (their deposit addresses).

Prior to that, txid 2f3890a7a01cac24103187215f9604f8360ccbbbf05c2c987d57ba1aa53b056c was sent from their deposit addresses to 1HMAg... then the following tx (txid e69e9c02b1f5af48c2fd52d73b1edb28c80ed629e896b0afda8f7db42bef48ed) sent 10 BTC to 157sSisTvWJyGKEzGrsPjr85rcvaRx9gei which is a known LBC address.

Prior to that txid eda31938a18195c80bc910a279dc4fd5547f65a69f49bc5209b99f0accd403aa sent 2 BTC to the 1HMAg.... address and the following transaction sent 1.4 BTC to 1Hhpf847U3xvpx66dYhrJTZmAWL6hSuGJa which on the following transaction (txid 6d94eb1b1fecf8b1d5e6577e987f19a39434206932674105a7752d5f11841f63) to 1E3yepRj7A2WwSE3yghS8bQPrVPWGXfEWj which is a known Agora Market address (a Dark Net Market).

The vast majority of the remainder of the transactions out of the 1HMAg.... address are for dust amounts (under .01).

I would also question how exactly their large investors ever got their money to them in the first place. In theory their investors would deposit into their deposit address, that address would be spend-linked to the rest of their deposit addresses and then it would be moved to cold storage. However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

Remind me to never piss this guy off lol

Huh!!! ahahhahah.... OR you could just offer him a BJ. He is talking about a HOT wallet (suddently the whole debate has moved form COLD to HOT because no one can justify their own delays in publically showing cold storage) A god forsaken hot wallet is a hot wallet... A user can withdraw from it TO ANY address, including but not limited to exchangers, dark net, pimps and hoes, drugs dealers, etc...

(Now later dean will come back quoting one these posting, totally negelcting my last that I made for him after quoting him... Usual dean )

You should just use the DaDice account this newbie one is far too knowledgeable.

[dooglus]

I've never looked at it. I see a whole bunch of signature ads from them, and figured it was "just another dice site", but one with a big ad budget. I hope they're not spending investor funds on ad campaigns with the hope of earning the coins back later.

If this was the case, we would have already heard it here on BCT.

How would anyone know?

I don't want to comment on rest but the very first point: "it could be them withdrawing the same coins to their own wallet over and over again to make it look good" I think any one can now verify that using blockchain. One of the guys has already posted associated addresses with Da Dice wallet So this would just be speculation / allegation. Its not Da Dice's duty to proof anything, it duty of person who makes such allegations to prove it.

I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong. I was simply saying that without proof of solvency it *is possible* that they are insolvent. I don't need to prove that they are insolvent, and they don't need to prove that they are solvent. It would just look better for them if they could prove it. It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors.

[mfaspk]

However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

Isn't it the same as what Da Dice admin said here earlier? My point is simple -> If PRC, BitDice didn't issue cold storage addresses from the point they offered ivnestmetns on their site, they have no justificaiton to demand it from Da Dice either...

If you're not an investor of Da Dice you cannot ask for a cold storage address. If they refuse to do so, You can simply divest your investment on not invest there at all.. Wait until they issue one in public...

screaming "Possible Scams" here is IMO just allegations.

[Da_Dice_Staff]

ANOTHER SHIFT IN THE TOP THREE!!!!!!!


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[mfaspk]

How would anyone know?

I mean if I was an investor, I would too be concerned about it and ask the management the very same question here but I didn't simply because I don't have that priviledge. But sooner or later, if this was the case, we would have heard from any Da Dice investor here

I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong. I was simply saying that without proof of solvency it *is possible* that they are insolvent. I don't need to prove that they are insolvent, and they don't need to prove that they are solvent. It would just look better for them if they could prove it. It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors.

+1 dooglus.
 Wiser words have never been spoken!!!

[Quickseller]

However this is clearly not the case. There are no large amounts going into or out of the two known DaDice wallets (mentioned above) of any meaningful magnitude.

Isn't it the same as what Da Dice admin said here earlier? My point is simple -> If PRC, BitDice didn't issue cold storage addresses from the point they offered ivnestmetns on their site, they have no justificaiton to demand it from Da Dice either...

If you're not an investor of Da Dice you cannot ask for a cold storage address. If they refuse to do so, You can simply divest your investment on not invest there at all.. Wait until they issue one in public...

screaming "Possible Scams" here is IMO just allegations.

As mentioned above, just use your DaDice account. It is fairly obvious that you are shilling for them.

As Dooglus mentioned above, it usually takes a little while for someone to ask for a cold storage address, however once they do there is no real reason not to show it. Additionally once sites are asked for their cold storage addresses, they are usually very quick to provide them. Furthermore, just because someone else did something wrong in the past does not mean that you (DaDice) have the right to do the same wrong thing.

Regarding no one having any standing to demand they show a public cold storage address, that is not how this community works. There have been too many scams in the past that people will simply stand by and allow someone to continue to perpetrate a scam. People ask questions, often times tough questions and when satisfactory answers cannot be provided, then the scam starts to fall apart