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March 14, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
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I think bitcoin could rise up as sort of a natural default one world currency for sure. I hope it actually happens as a truly borderless universal currency would be amazing in my opinion.

Impossible. Bitcoin is not decentralized and no crypto-currency can be entirely decentralized. A single, borderless universal currency would NOT be amazing in a good way, rather it would be slavery because it will always be controlled by those who have the most (political) power.

There will never exist such as a thing as a single crypto-currency that is decentralized. It can't exist. Bitcoin is not decentralized. True decentralization will only come from multiple competing currencies, thus of course these can never be the reserve currency.

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Subject: Armstrong's hair-brained "direct democracy" idea has failed;  there is only one solution
From:    iamback
Date:    Thu, March 12, 2015 3:49 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Well Switzerland with its unique "direct democracy" (citizens can raise referendums at-will and have a popular vote) has failed to stop the DEEP STATE from instituting the plan for Global Technocracy:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/12/switzerland-joins-nsa-is-monitoring-its-citizens/

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The only solution is to make it relatively very unprofitable to finance ROI with debt. This is what the Knowledge Age will do.

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Armstrong's proposed collectivized solutions which he will present at his hair-brained Solutions Conference are just going to lead more of the same collectivized mess. He is not proposing real solutions, rather stop-gap measures to further the collectivization of humanity which is the problem! Human nature can't be altered with organization. Even Armstrong knows this damnit! The only solution is a paradigm shift change in the technology that renders the pre-existing collectivization mode impotent and unable to continue. I have explained that solution.


Finally Armstrong capitulates and admits I am correct!

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/14/real-estate-15yr-v-30yr-mortgage-new-electronic-currency-coming/

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... & New Electronic Currency Coming

Keep in mind that what we face is a revision of the monetary system. There will be a swap to a new electronic currency acting as the reserve between currencies. Hopefully, we will eliminate the ability of governments to borrow. But if that is not enacted, then debts would still exist in their domestic economy. If they tried to actually create a one-world currency with individual debts denominated in such a currency, that would blow up just like the Euro. So either you have an international reserve currency so no one nation has that dominant impact with individual currencies, or you have total chaos if there was just one-currency without abandoning debt.

But Armstrong still missed the main point. It is impossible to eliminate debt, for that is human nature. Investors buy debt. And investors will measure their ROI against the dominant reserve currency as they do now, thus whether the individual countries sell their debt denominated in the reserve currency or their own national currency is largely irrelevant to the outcome, because the enslavement is caused by what the investors use as their unit-of-account and thus the central bank for the dominant reserve currency will have implicit control over the fiscal and capital account flows of each nation.

I suggest you relate that to "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. And also relate that to the Asian crisis in 1998, which was caused by speculative international capital flows fleeing to Europe to take advantage of the ingress in investment that corresponded with the launch of the Euro.

Nations are inherently prone to short-term capital ingress and egress. Without their own central bank to inflate out of an egress crisis, they are enslaved by the unit-of-account which is imposed on them by investors.

Sorry there is no way to make a reserve currency that isn't an enslavement paradigm. All the one world reserve currency will accomplish is transfer the seat of power for control from the USA government and Fed to the international central bank (which of course be controlled by those who have the most power). The only solution is for debt to become much lower ROI activity than the mainstream economy, thus the high ROI Knowledge Age workers will exist in a parallel economy that ignores the socialistic, collectivist economy of government and debt.

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March 14, 2015, 03:27:55 PM
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Im pretty sure it was nash who created bitcoin as an ideal currency.. Maybe under nsa but hes been saying it for decades that decentralized ledger is the way to go for economic token.. He published papers to the govt about this.. Hes really the only one qualified with incentives to invent something like bitcoin.

John Nash suffers from a mental "illness" (haha, I think he and I have something in common then, lol).

Links for readers:

http://bitcoinpricelive.com/john-nash-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin/

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The post on Bitcoin Talk forums goes into much more details about how John Nash was possibly in contact with people known to be at the start of Bitcoin such as:

– Nick Szabo:  Created BitGold[1] and knew Hal Finney

– Hal Finney:  Proof of Work Systems

– David Chaum: E-cash developer and NSA connection

– Adam Back: Creator of Hash Cash

The post lists other contributors as well.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560056.0

I have only seen one photo claimed to be Nick Szabo and it has since disappeared from the internet. I am not sure if he is a real person.

Another theory:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1785445/bitcoin-crypto-currency-mystery-reopened

[1]http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Szabo
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nick-szabo-bitcoin-founder-satoshi-nakamoto-breaks-silence-tweet/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576397.0
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/233143
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/
http://www.gwern.net/Bitcoin%20is%20Worse%20is%20Better
"Nicholas J. Szabo = Nash sajo icl baz

“Szabó” is a common Hungarian “Surname”.

Using Hungarian as the code key:

“Sajo” is both a Hungarian river in the “BAZ” and it is the last name of a very well known advocate and Judge “Andres Sajo” who’s work regards “International Constitutional Law”. “ICL” is what “Szabo’s” has created and foreseen in his writing.

“ICL” = International Constitutional Law"

To me if nash is parent then it changes for me what bitcoin is.. and its not conspiracy but more an ideal currency
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March 14, 2015, 03:47:18 PM
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Armstrong apparently doesn't understand or believe that anonymous crypto-currency is plausible.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/14/real-estate-15yr-v-30yr-mortgage-new-electronic-currency-coming/

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Paper currency will be eliminated and we are headed into purely electronic money. This will be the BITCOIN without the BITCOIN. That is a basic model, which is why they have not shut it down allowing it to survive purely to monitor its performance. Of course those who have used BITCOIN will wake up with a shock when the IRS will hit them for taxes, penalties, and interest on past transactions. They think they have an alternative. That is just silly. The Feds have demanded all data from Ebay and PayPal so that if you sell junk from your garbage on line, they get their piece of the transaction. So you really think they will let Bitcoin escape? They are hunting money EVERYWHERE!

Anonymous crypto-currency and anonymous internet communication is plausible. Bitcoin and Tor are not sufficient.

We have the technology to do it. It is just a matter of implementation.

Btw, I know how to make a crypto-currency WITHOUT A LEDGER! Completely decentralized! (from a transactions point-of-view) Even if they shut down the internet, they can't entirely stop this currency from functioning. I am not revealing my secret just yet. Soon.

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I think bitcoin could rise up as sort of a natural default one world currency for sure. I hope it actually happens as a truly borderless universal currency would be amazing in my opinion.

Impossible. Bitcoin is not decentralized and no crypto-currency can be entirely decentralized. A single, borderless universal currency would NOT be amazing in a good way, rather it would be slavery because it will always be controlled by those who have the most (political) power.

There will never exist such as a thing as a single crypto-currency that is decentralized. It can't exist. Bitcoin is not decentralized. True decentralization will only come from multiple competing currencies, thus of course these can never be the reserve currency.

I disagree with you but I think you're just being semantic on the issue of decentralization. Can you give me an example of a currency that is indeed decentralized if you think bitcoin or any crypto isn't? I also don't get how bitcoin can be controlled by those with political power. Seems pretty free from that at the momemt.
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Can you give me an example of a currency that is indeed decentralized if you think bitcoin or any crypto isn't? I also don't get how bitcoin can be controlled by those with political power. Seems pretty free from that at the momemt.

Bitcoin is not decentralized. Don't make me repeat this FACT again:

So for the currently bitcoin network with 8000 nodes, it can't tolerant collude by 4 top pools(actually, many ppls suspect that GHASH put its computing power in the shadow to hide the fact it controlls over 50% of the total computing power), the fault tolerant is 0.05%.

In addition to the pools being centralized, Bitcoin relies on centralized checkpoints controlled by the core developers.

Also I had already provided the following link to you twice, don't make provide it again:


Go read and do your homework before you post again (please!).

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Subject: Mar 15: Armstrong doesn't understand the exorbitant privilege of controlling the reserve currency
From:    iamback
Date:    Sat, March 14, 2015 4:41 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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But Armstrong still missed the main point. It is impossible to eliminate debt, for that is human nature. Investors buy debt. And investors will measure their ROI against the dominant reserve currency as they do now, thus whether the individual countries sell their debt denominated in the reserve currency or their own national currency is largely irrelevant to the outcome, because the enslavement is caused by what the investors use as their unit-of-account and thus the central bank for the dominant reserve currency will have implicit control over the fiscal and capital account flows of each nation.

I suggest you relate that to "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. And also relate that to the Asian crisis in 1998, which was caused by speculative international capital flows fleeing to Europe to take advantage of the ingress in investment that corresponded with the launch of the Euro.

Nations are inherently prone to short-term capital ingress and egress. Without their own central bank to inflate out of an egress crisis, they are enslaved by the unit-of-account which is imposed on them by investors.

Sorry there is no way to make a reserve currency that isn't an enslavement paradigm. All the one world reserve currency will accomplish is transfer the seat of power for control from the USA government and Fed to the international central bank (which of course be controlled by those who have the most power). The only solution is for debt to become much lower ROI activity than the mainstream economy, thus the high ROI Knowledge Age workers will exist in a parallel economy that ignores the socialistic, collectivist economy of government and debt.


I am very surprised that Armstrong can not conceptualize what I wrote above. He responded by pretending to himself that I am some simpleton who is only learning from him. He failed to understand I am not talking about the existing debts. I am talking about the new debts that will form after the global monetary reset (restructure or default).

My point is if we look at Greece, it sold its sovereign bonds denominated in the Euro(pean) reserve currency and thus it suffered pernicious (and self-reinforcing downward spiral of) austerity because it was not able to devalue the debt it owed by printing money to devalue its own currency and stimulate its economy by lowering the international cost of its exports and tourism industries.

Even more importantly as we can see with the dollar reserve currency now, countries that sell debt in denominated in their national currencies pay an interest premium compared to when they sell debt denominated in the reserve currency. This is one example of many reasons[1] that those who have control over the reserve currency's central bank, have enslaved the other nations. This is why a USA Treasury official famously said to his Third World cohort, "its our dollar, but it is your problem".

Armstrong is failing to understand that a reserve currency is inherently an enslavement paradigm. And the only possible way to eliminate this paradigm, is to make debt not profitable for investors. I explained how that will become the case with the shift from an Industrial Age to a Knowledge Age. But I think Armstrong is not smart enough to grasp the concept. Or he is too lazy to read the essays I wrote, which I had provided him links to.

Additionally I am shocked that Armstrong is conflating unit-of-account with unit-of-exchange. That is the most basic error. The coming one world reserve currency will not be a circulating currency that is used for retail transactions. If that were the case, then the nations wouldn't even have their own currencies any more. The reserve currency will be used for settlement internationally for exchange between the national currencies which will float against the one world reserve currency. I don't think the nations will agree to give up their control over their national currencies, rather they will just agree to a reserve currency that isn't controlled by the USA exclusively.

[1]http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/economic_studies/an_exorbitant_privilege
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2009/09/cohen.htm
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/john-butler/curse-reserve-currency-triffin-dilemma


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/14/default-or-restructure/

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QUESTION:
Hi Martin,

I was reading your blog posting on, “Real Estate 15yr v 30yr Mortgage & New Electronic Currency Coming” and you state that with the new electronic currency coming (which, as you say, will be the new reserve currency), governments should not be able to borrow and debts should be eliminated.  I agree that the governments should not be allowed to borrow, but how would debts be eliminated?

Foreign governments (and private holders) that hold US debt would lose trillions.  Wouldn’t this cause a war?  Or are you saying that the US, along other governments, will cancel their debt since there is a rise the cycle of war (probable war on the horizon)?

I fully agree with that governments have no intention on paying anything back anyway, I’m just a little confused how this would unfold…

Outstanding work, you’ve taught me so much!  Thanks!

ANSWER: That is outlined in the Solution Conference. We can only default or restructure. The latter allows society to function whereas the former wipes out everything from banks to pensions. The former is unlikely by design. Debts can be eliminated by restructure.

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Subject: Mar 16: Armstrong doesn't understand crypto-currency will rise synchronously with the one world reserve currency
From:    iamback
Date:    Sun, March 15, 2015 4:55 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Armstrong replied to my previous email in a series of discombobulated blog posts. I am going to attempt to reveal his errors coherently, but this won't be easy to achieve.

First he seems to think that I was suggesting Bitcoin could become a mainstream currency because its supply is said to be limited to 21 million coins:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/bitcoin-will-be-capped-at-21-million/

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I am told that I will be wrong because Bitcoin has an arbitrary cap at 21 million so it cannot end up as the dollar. Sorry, if you cap it at 21 million and there are over 300 million Americans alone, just how is Bitcoin going to ever replace anything? That is the attempt of austerity and that cap would prevent it from ever being really accepted among any reasonable portion of society.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/money-electronic-debasement/

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Unfortunately, way too many people think that money should not be debased. The first coinage in gold was debased pictured above. Some try to argue that somehow bitcoin prevents debasement.

I never suggested that the reason a crypto-currency would become widely adopted is due to cap on the money supply. In fact, I have often argued that an improved replacement for Bitcoin must have perpetual debasement. Arguably the cap on the number of Bitcoins can be subverted in the future, because Bitcoin is controlled by about 1 - 4 mining pools, thus in essence Bitcoin is controlled by the governments which can regulate those large mining pools. The advantage of crypto-currency is not a fixed money supply. And Bitcoin is the least likely of the crypto-currencies to become widely adopted because it isn't even decentralized and doesn't even have anonymity. A better crypto-currency than Bitcoin will rise soon.

Note Armstrong's analogy about 21 million coins for 300 million Americans shows that he ignorant about crypto-currency. BTC are divisible down to 1 Satoshi (0.00000001 BTC) thus there isare enough fragments of BTC to supply every human on earth. Armstrong is correct that fixed money supply is deflationary and will never be accepted by the public-at-large, but he fails to articulate the reason why. The better explanation of why the public-at-large will not accept a deflationary currency is because it is incompatible with a fractional reserve banking system and thus incompatible with debt. And people love debt. Where there is no usury, there is no economy and nothing moves (as was evident in the Dark Age). The Middle East was similarly stuck going no where (still riding camels and living in tents in the desert) with their anti-usury stance, but the free money from oil and Armstrong teaching them how to hide usury in leasing gold, broke them free from that anti-usury abyss.

Armstrong seems to think that as long as the national government doesn't borrow, then my point about a reserve currency being an enslavement paradigm doesn't apply:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/debt-reserve-currency/

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QUESTION: Marty, Would nations still issue debt in the reserve currency or their local currency? If countries issued debt in the reserve currency, wouldn’t that be the same problem you have pointed out with the euro?

You have made it clear that debt is the great destroyer of civilization. It seems that this is the one factor that wipes out the monetary system every time. Do you think it is possible to eliminate government debt?

iamback

ANSWER: ... Only a fool assumes that debt is some how a natural part of the system. They clearly do not know their history. The US debt was entirely paid off before the Civil War. Such people never heard of the sin of usury or the Arab culture of prohibiting interest. Is it possible to eliminate government debt? Of course it is. Government debt has not always existed.

In fact, not only was there no national debt, the US government did not issue paper money after the Revolution until the Civil War. So there is plenty of precedent to demonstrate that government can function without debt at the federal level. Keep in mind, that states still borrowed. There was a massive sovereign state default in the 1840s.

As I said, the public will always demand a fractional reserve banking system. Whether it is sanctioned by a central bank (e.g. the USA after 1913) or ad hoc by private banks (e.g. the USA in the 1800s) doesn't change the fact that the public love debt. Citizenry especially love when the debts are accrued by the collective (e.g. nation, state, province, city, school district, company retirement plan, etc) because they are under the illusion that they get all the benefits without the individual default risk. The citizenry are under the illusion that the default can't be taken directly from the individual. People are too stupid to realize they end up paying it in taxes or economic collapse.

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There is a tremendous difference between issuing debt in a reserve currency and a domestic issue. You are correct. If there is a reserve currency and governments issued their debt in the reserve, you would end up with total chaos just as you have in the Euro. That would also tend to suggest the requirement of a central control, and that is not likely for nations will not surrender their sovereignty in such a manner.

A reserve currency simply replaces the dollar. That is the political goal of China and Russia. It also makes sense for it separates the problem of the reserve currency being impacted by domestic policy objectives which become exported. The Fed lowered rates sharply to bail out US banks and other nations issue dollar debt because of the low interest rates.

Armstrong is failing to acknowledge the fact that the nations don't get to decide which currency debt will be issued in, rather the investors and public make those decisions in a decentralized manner. The massive loans in Europe denominated in Swiss francs are one example. Now those loans will default because of the abrupt and egregious rise in the value of the Swiss franc when the peg to the Euro failed. Ditto all the dollar loans in the developing world which will default when the dollar rises through the roof after 2015.75.

Even if a country, state, city, or entity issues their debt denominated in a national currency, they pay a premium (a carrying cost) which is approximately the Black-Scholes implied volatility between that unit-of-account and the more stable reserve currency unit-of-account. The deep math point is that whoever controls the reserve currency has their hands on the levers that can cause massive booms and busts in all economies that are not transacted in the reserve currency unit-of-account.

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The debt crisis is separate and distinct from the reserve problem.

Absolutely false! This proves that I am a much more sophisticated macro-economist than Armstrong.

The reserve currency issue enabled for example China to repress their consumption sector (c.f. China expert Michael Pettis PhD) and radically overinvest in fixed capital investment, which afforded the West another decade of debt expansion on the back of the unsustainably repressed Chinese consumer and empowered Western consumer.

Quote from: Armstrong
Andrew Jackson’s war against the Bank of the United States eliminated a central bank and set in motion total chaos.  Jackson unleashed the age of Wildcat Banking where private banks issued their own paper money that nobody knew even where these banks were located.. The currency issued by Oxford County Bank of Fryeburg, Maine, was actually issued by speculators who then sold their currency wholesale at deep discounts in New York City. A fraud market emerged because there were countless banks all issuing money (receipts) based upon pretend deposits without a central bank regulating anything.

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The US debt is linked to the reserve currency insofar as there is a deep dollar bond market unlike other currencies. The US debt can be used as reserves and is to the extent of about 40%. This is what will eventually force the evolution to a reserve currency replacement. When I am in meetings around the world, this much seems to be understood as inevitable. So the nut-jobs can tout some impractical new currency to strip government of power as if that will ever get a vote and the bankers will fight hard to keep the government borrowing so they can make a commission. Between these two extremes lies reality.

I entirely agree with Armstrong. There is no way the debt market will agree to be denominated in some decentralized crypto-currency with no regulation. Because debt operates by leverage and fractional reserves, and thus the people prefer to be lied to and told that defaults will never happen and so the ultimate default is delayed by grouping everyone together in a collective with a central bank. This is more desirable to the public than individual failures haphazardly and more frequently.

Thus a one world reserve currency is coming, and it will not be a crypto-currency. Rather it will be something controlled politically by the powers that be. Everyone who participates in the mainstream debt and bond markets will be operating in that reserve currency dominated system (even if there is a 2-tier system with some nations retaining their own national currencies that float against the reserve unit-of-account).

But my point is orthogonal to that reality. Debt is basically useless in the coming shift from the Industrial Age to the Knowledge Age. Most of all the productive value produced in the future will be from knowledge work. This is not labor. It is not fungible like labor is. Thus it can't be financed. If Armstrong would read my essays, he would understand that there is radical paradigm shift underway which will make the debt based economy wither.

Thus those in the debt based economy with their stored money capital will be in the one world currency enslavement system.

The knowledge age workers do not need any monetary capital. We can generate earnings that are 100s or 1000s times our housing and other expenses. We don't get a rats ass about storing money. We want to save up and store more knowledge.

In our economy, we will be using a fully anonymous and decentralized crypto-currency (that is perpetually debased so it forces rapid dissemination into more knowledge production). We won't pay any taxes, except for the portion of our income that we choose to declare to justify our lifestyle to the tax authorities. The vast majority of our economy will go untaxable.

And our economy will be growing very fast while the debt based economy will be shrinking or growing very slowly.

We can peg our currency to the one world reserve currency using an options market, at some carrying cost (determined by relative volatility). We will choose to use our crypto-currency because our freedom and innovation requires we not be dictated to by a central authority, whether it be taxes, the tsuris of kafkaesque KYC and AML which interfere for example with micropayments, FCC regulation of the internet, etc..

Thus in the end, our currency wins and decentralization wins; and central banks and debt die. The one world reserve currency will be an ephemeral failing paradigm. It will be where all the unproductive people hangout and leech off the collective and default on the lenders. It will go into pernicious and terminal decline into an abyss or Dark Age. While our economy will rise up and take over.

Thus Armstrong, you are entirely missing the big picture. You will get your silly one world reserve currency, but it won't last long.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/fiat-and-the-abuse-of-using-this-term/

Quote from: Armstrong
The wealth of a nation is not its tangible objects, but its people’s productive capacity.

And that is why the Knowledge Age will destroy the one world reserve currency debt based economy.

Quote from: Armstrong
This is why we will eventually be driven into a representative form of an electronic reserve currency as a political compromise, not that this would be the ultimate solution. There is a difference between PRACTICAL ideas and LOFTY THEORIES of a perfect world to which you can never reach.

There won't be a perfect world. The one world reserve currency will be another collective debt morass over time. While the Knowledge Age will be rising up from very small. Eventually when the Knowledge Age becomes the dominant portion of the global economy, then the public will find some way to tax it and clawback to the collectivized failures that human nature prefers. They will do this by put a chip inside everyone's body that can track thoughts. This is the 666 system written in Revelation. But that is some decade or decades from now. The Achilles heel of the Knowledge Age decentralization ultimately rests on the fact that we can't yet operate our mind without our physical bodies.

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Our problem is not what is money, it is government and its endless historical evolution toward corruption.

Incorrect! Our problem is the human nature that people love debt, because they like to consume before they earn. Wealth is power law distributed. That is a fact. Thus the middle and lower classes envy collective debt as a way to redistribute from the wealthy back to the lazy. They don't understand that this honey is what attracts the flies of government corruption.

Direct democracy will never be a solution, because human nature doesn't change.

The Knowledge Age is a technological paradigm shift which renders the collective powerless to tax (most of the economic activity which won't be tangible thus can't be tracked once we have good anonymity technology implemented).

But even the Knowledge Age will eventually succumb to this pernicious human nature.

Quote from: Armstrong
We can come up with a solution for now, but eventually the cycle will kick in and we will return to where we are once again. The wheel of fortune always returns to where it began. Because of cycles, there will never be a permanent solution and only a fool would think so like Karl Marx.

Exactly agreed. But realize that the one world reserve currency and reforming governments is not the only solution in play at this juncture. The Knowledge Age is also rising. Armstrong seems to view this as either-or; i.e. mutually exclusive choices. Rather both of these "solutions" will be ongoing simultaneously.

Quote from: Armstrong
They have cameras tracking where you drive by license plates. Face recognition just entering a post office. Come on. And you think they will not close down absolutely every avenue?  There will most likely be an underground economy, but that will probably be limited.

This is why I have suggested ... silver coins ... That might be a hard sell to someone younger who pays with their cell phone.

...

The downside of the precious metals, which is a concern, is that you cannot hop on a plane with them anymore. It is considered money laundering to store them in most safe deposit boxes. The governments require refiners to report every ounce in and out and where it went. It is illegal to mail money today. Read between the lines here. Government is trying to shut down even the precious metals as an alternative. They are gradually forcing everyone into electronic money.

This is precisely why the Knowledge Age will move to our coming anonymous crypto-currency. The governments will not be able to track it, nor can they shut it down, even if they shut down the internet. Sorry we hackers are smarter than them. We win. They lose.

Armstrong doesn't understand crypto-currency. Thus he doesn't understand what is possible. I am an expert programmer in crypto-currency. I know. Armstrong doesn't. Period.

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Subject: Mar 16: Untaxable crypto-currency will reform the governments
From:    iamback
Date:    Sun, March 15, 2015 5:27 pm
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The harder the powers-that-be push to expropriate capital from the
Knowledge Age producers, the more they will drive us into using our coming
anonymous, untrackable crypto-currency and anonymous internet
communication system.

Eventually all the significant production (as we are moving into
technological unemployment on a massive scale as even Oxford U. predicts
47% of all existing jobs to be replaced by automation by 2033) will move
into our untaxable economy because the totalitarianism will not cease
until the cancer has killed the host.

Thus the world will eventually reach the point that they must give up on
income taxes and just print the money they want for taxes. And therein is
how the Knowledge Age will reform government.

The socialism won't go there willingly. It will have to be pummelled into
the abyss before the system will reform.

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Subject: Mar 16: Fed is not powerless! Indeed the citizens are the problem!
From:    iamback
Date:    Sun, March 15, 2015 5:48 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Armstrong is asserting that central banks don't have any power, which is bullshit. The Fed caused the booms in the developing countries with ZIRP which caused the entire world to borrow in dollars making the world now short the dollar which will cause a massive economic collapse after 2015.75. This enslaved the world to the dollar. Who ever controls the central bank of the reserve currency, controls the world. Armstrong can rant all he wants about irrelevant details such as the domestic money supply declining due to a collapse of velocity, when in fact the powers-that-be knew exactly what they were doing with ZIRP and the plan is proceeding exactly as planned in order to bring the world to its knees and accept a one-world currency reserve that will be controlled by those somesame powers-that-be. This is entirely obvious and unarguable. If Armstrong persists in these pathetic obfuscation attempts, I am going to just have to ignore him and laugh at it when everything I've said comes true.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/who-controls-the-money-supply-fed-or-we-the-people/

Quote from: Armstrong
Other emails have come in saying Bitcoin is controlled by “We the People” rather than 12 guys at the Fed. OMG! How many times do I have to explain that the Fed CANNOT CONTROL the Money Supply. The Bulk of money is created by the VELOCITY of money through lending at the banks called LEVERAGE. This is when markets crash and the dollar is rising because the two are never equal. Assets become over-valued in a Bubble and they crash because there is not enough actual money to represent those valuations. The ” REAL money supply” is often a multiple of the actual money on the books and is know as the VELOCITY. Then the bulk of the actual money created by government is NOT by the Fed, it is by Congress through debt. I have shown this chart many times. It shows that 70% of the national debt is actually accumulative interest payments. Had the Fed actually been in charge of the money supply, it would have been one-third of its current size. Changing money to gold or bitcoin or whatever, will not address the real problem

Why was there no inflation with QE1-3? Because the bond holders were not exclusively domestic. The economy is porous and the dollar is used globally. The Fed cannot control even long-term interest rates nor can they dictate to the banks. They handed the banks TARP, but they did not lend the money. Everything is indirect – not direct control and that is much of the problem.

It is these simplistic labels attached on the Fed as the greatest evil that prevents people from (1) understanding the VELOCITY of money through banking, and (2) Congress’ convenient pointing-fingers at the Fed to deflect blame from themselves. I’m sorry, but I think you need to understand economics 101. Not everything can be blamed on the Fed. The vast majority of the money is created between debt and lending the same $100 several times.


I already said that Bitcoin is controlled by 1 - 4 mining pools, so it is not controlled by "We The People".


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The vast majority of the money is created between debt and lending the same $100 several times.

Politicians spend more to buy votes from whom? The People. Anyone on Capitol Hill will tell you even the CONSERVATIVE Republicans during the 2007-2009 Crash lobbied on the Hill saying Congress had to reduce spending, just not theirs. The money supply is controlled by “We the People” and if you think creating some independent board will eliminate corruption, you might be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge while your at it for your retirement. Communism failed because human nature took over. It does not matter who is in control, once control is given, they will put their hand in the cookie jar.

Exactly. Human nature is the problem. And that will not be solved at your Solutions Conference.

Whereas, we Knowledge Age workers are working a technological solution which will render the collective unable to tax. That is a real solution, because it changes the matrix of possibilities.

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March 16, 2015, 08:04:14 AM
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Subject: Mar 16: Armstrong implicitly agreed that the central banks wield much power
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 4:07 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Armstrong has implicitly agreed that who ever controls the central bank of an internationally coveted unit-of-account, has the power to cause massive booms and busts amongst the investors who covet that said unit-of-account.

Good to see he has admitted I am correct.

Again he attempts to obfuscate his agreement, by confusing himself with an orthogonal issue. Armstrong has this pattern of conflating orthogonal logic which is indicative of a lower IQ. For example, upthread we caught him claiming that the persistent (throughout all human history) elite banksters are irrelevant in terms of master planning because their names change throughout history. The transfer of power as people die does not refute an orthogonal issue. I thus guess Armstrong's IQ is some where in the 130s only. Whereas as mine is considerably higher (and can't be measured well by traditional IQ tests). (note the link to my blog unheresy.com is currently expired, but I renewed it and you click the link again tomorrow it will be back up as the DNS caches clear)

We don't need to prove whether there is a master plan. We can simply observe that central banking wields much power. And the banksters have always been the beneficiaries of central banking. What the people get in exchange is the ability of fractional reserve banking systems to run for decades without defaults, and instead more egregious collective defaults later. These egregious collective defaults transfer more power and benefits to those who control the central bank.

So we don't need a conspiracy theory in order to open our eyes and not obfuscate the facts.

Moving the world's reserve central bank out of the political control of a single nation and into a power sharing agreement among nations, does not transfer that power to the people. It transfers the power to the oligarchs and banksters in all the nations. This is analogous to how voting Republican or Democrat is voting for two heads of the same monster, a.k.a. the DEEP STATE.

Unlike Armstrong who needs a soap-box to sell his collective vision for pushing a political palatable restructuring and monetary reset, we Knowledge Age producers don't need to say a word. We are every day changing the world as I described. Our leaderless paradigms rises from the grass roots like a virus. And thus our paradigms wins in the end. Armstrong can choose to be informed so he understands when his international capital flows data stops functioning properly in about a decade or so from now, because he won't be able to monitor the anonymous flows of our anonymous crypto-currency.

Armstrong is a baby boomer. They think top-down organization is the way to solve problems and organize society. I am an X-gen. I know that systems self-organize and the top-down is either congruent with the bottom-up, or the top-down fails.

I think this is the end of this debate, unless Armstrong can make a point that isn't conflation of facts with hyperbole.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/03/15/sophistry-confusion-over-the-fed/

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QUESTION: Mr, Armstrong; There are those [e.g. iamback] who argue that the Fed caused the booms in the developing countries by lowering interest rates that resulted in them borrowing in dollars making the world now short the dollar and thus have enslaved the world to the dollar. Therefore, they claim that whoever controls the central bank of the reserve currency thereby controls the world. Do you think this was intentional?

Thanks. It seems you are the only one without the soap-box.

Hank

ANSWER: Are you really serious? This is the argument from rational people? That is like blaming Switzerland for creating a peg to ensure their exports would not decline so all the German, British, and Greek mortgages in Swiss francs is their fault  and intentional. This is pure sophistry at its best delusional. The Fed lowered short-term rates to deal with the US economy not to influence other countries. The fact that other nations issued debt in dollars to save interest is somehow the design or fault of the Fed is brain-dead if not unimaginable. They have no proof of such nonsense. This is clearly conclusionary gibberish to support an unsupported conspiracy theory.

Numerous bond issues were in British pounds that defaulted in 1931 as well as dollars. China issued bonds in foreign currencies to sell them. Here is a 1937 Liberty Bond denominated in $1,000 issued by China back then. This too was somehow inspired by the Fed? Issuing bonds in foreign currencies is standard by third-world nations. The bankers sell this idea to save money and always blow these nations up. Even some of the earliest US currency was issued in British pounds. Here is a note denominated in shillings.

This is the typical sophistry behind conspiracy theories that people make-up to hear themselves pontificate and they assume planned designs rather than accepting that just maybe everything is run by people who have no idea what they are doing.

Blaming the Fed for third-world countries issuing dollar denominated debt is like blaming you for making a right turn and three cars back someone slams into the rear of the car in front of him for he slowed down because you were making the turn.

This is the whole point of a independent reserve currency. When I say that the dollar is the reserve currency and that subjects the world to American domestic policy objectives, that is what I am talking about. The US loses the ability to manage its domestic economy if it has to worry about third-world countries issuing debt in their currency. That means DOMESTIC policies OBJECTIVES can be held hostage to INTERNATIONAL policy OBJECTIVES. That is why we need a reserve currency other than that of any single nation. Blaming the Fed for overseas problems is simply stupid and illustrates that such ideas are totally clueless since they are ignorant of grasping just how the world truly functions.

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Subject: Mar 16: Fed achieved which domestic policy objectives?
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 4:30 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Let me expound on my prior post a bit.

What domestic policy objectives were achieved by the Fed? They bailed out the banksters. They did not help the Mainstreet economy, because velocity of money is down by more than -50%. Why will this one world reserve currency be different? There are banksters in every nation on earth. For now, they just happen to be concentrated in New York (and lingering in London) for the moment, because that is where the seat of financial (and military) power is held because the USA (and formerly England) holds the world's reserve currency [i.e. they are the current financial capitals of the world].

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One world currency? Look at what has happened with Euro. The thing is that there will never be a consensus when it comes to block of nations adopting a common currency which differ culturally, politically, different economic strength and stance, historical background, foreign policy and the list goes on and on. I don't think that is possible unless bitcoin becomes a reserve currency to backup each nation's currency.

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Subject: Mar 16: Euro is not an example that nations won't want a one-world reserve currency
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 7:27 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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One world currency? Look at what has happened with Euro. The thing is that there will never be a consensus when it comes to block of nations adopting a common currency which differ culturally, politically, different economic strength and stance, historical background, foreign policy and the list goes on and on. I don't think that is possible unless bitcoin becomes a reserve currency to backup each nation's currency.

The Euro was not a reserve currency. It replaced the national currencies and it was a partial attempt at a European Community political union too with the Troika or at least the European Commission and EC Parliament.

Clearly the Euro + EC failure will be used to support the concept of a one-world reserve currency that is orthogonal to the domestic politics and currencies of nations. Because for example, Euro is toast because the banks were required to buy sovereign bonds of for example Greece, but Greece borrowed in Euros when there was an ingress of capital surge, but now have to pay it back while there is an egress of capital exodus, and Greece has no policy tools because they don't control the Euro central bank.

The nations of the world will agree to a one-world RESERVE currency (not a political union!) because they resent the free ride the USA has gotten by being in control of the world's reserve currency.

But please realize this is all just a ruse for the global banksters to have even more control and do even greater corruption in the future by cleverly hiding their central banking manipulation in "international policy objectives" just as the Fed is hiding their funding of the banksters in "domestic policy objectives".

It is one big charade that even Armstrong is gullible about.

The only way the powers-that-be will allow Bitcoin to become the one-world reserve currency is if they control it. As I said, Bitcoin is controlled by 1 - 4 mining peers (i.e. they have greater than 50% of Bitcoin's network hash rate), thus the powers-that-be will be able to easily control Bitcoin when they are ready to take over control.

Perhaps you don't understand that you could have 20 mining pools all secretly owned by the same entity. In proof-of-work, the variance of earnings is inversely related to the percentage of the network hash rate the mining pool has, thus users will always favor mining pools that have double digit percentage of the Bitcoin network hash rate.

Bitcoin will never be decentralized. I already quoted upthread my other thread that explains how to get true decentralization by having multiple competing currencies each pegged with an options market to the domaindominant unit-of-account. This will be the future of crypto-currency. But this will not be a dominant unit-of-account. The dominant unit-of-account will always be what is regulated, because fractional reserve banking (i.e. debt-based booms and busts) is demanded by the public that loves debt financiing and it is inherently a bankrupt financial system paradigm.

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I do not see anything about the derivatives bubble popping nor BRICS nor rehypothecated gold. I think that the derivatives fraud is the lit fuse to spread the contagion like a wildfire in tinder dry conditions.

War has been mentioned previously, so what about strategic alliances of, say, Russia and China, ganging up on the west, in particular the USA and NATO? Where does that factor in?

The world's elite do not care about borders. They use the biggest religion of all time against everyone. The religion of Flag Worship. That is how they play nation states off against each other. I do think that it is a big mistake to discredit their ultimate master plan of culling the human race to a population of less than 1 billion.

Rothschild just inherited a multi-billion technology due to the demise of certain partners on a Malaysian flight. How-convenient.

Also nary a mention of black ops programs within the US Military Industrial Complex. The shadow government is very real. Wealth, secrets, and ultimately power has flowed into them for at least 6 decades. In effect they are a more advanced sub-species of humanity using the very thing that you purport to our ultimate safety net - technology.

Governments do not control currency. That is a false assumption. They are a front for the real players. Global Corporate Fascists control the economics of this planet and are the government. While Armstrong is a smart man and seems to have made some timely predictions, I think that he is out in left field with some of his rants.

All of this being said, digital currency is the future. It will be global in nature. But it will not be good for any of us because the technology that they use to control will be so domineering that TBTB will be able to cut you off if you are non compliant with whatever law they decide to throw at you from their pedestals.

Farmland, some livestock, fruit, vegetables, weapons, precious metals, off-the grid power is the way. And as this blue ball spins its way to oblivion it sounds like the best plan for my family and me. Those that are not self-sufficient will end up relying on government handouts and have to be a slave of the nanny state. And she is one mean bitch.

This man speaks the truth. The reality is that bitcoin and what will happen in the future is too big, and too hard for common folk to understand.
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Subject: Mar 16: Armstrong is a central bank apologist & will fail to restructure before we crash & burn
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 7:37 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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If anyone else is interested a complete (I think) collection of them can be found here.
https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58


Thanks for this CC. Hopefully can start deciphering Armstrong extensive writings. Need to up my speed reading.

Careful with following everything Armstrong says. He is a central bank apologist and he wishes for a restructuring hoping the coming abyss will be avoided. But he will fail.

His computer model timings are correct. His interpretation of his computer model timings is sometimes flawed. For example him advising you that a mortgage will protect you from a housing collapse or egregious taxation. He can't be sure of that! He is hoping for a Solutions Conference, but remember the Petri dish model in my "Understand Everything Fundamentally" in my essay linked from the opening post of this thread.

The cancer doesn't slow down until the host is dead (food supply is exhausted).


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Subject: Mar 16: Armstrong lacks understanding of the importance of bottom up, leaderless paradigms
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 7:49 am
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Thanks for the warning. I'm just trying to get a comprehensive understanding of his thought process quickly. I'm already extremely impressed with his historical knowledge. I understand why (in general) gold bugs dislike him so much, it's silly how personally they seem to take it.

Yes Armstrong's historical knowledge is impressive, but his interpretations are flawed by his top-down organization world view. Armstrong's computer model is (in theory) not subjective nor colored with human emotions and thus giving a purely statistical correlation of historical cycles with present data.

Armstrong is valuable source of information, but one has to understand the subjective bias he brings to the table. Armstrong believes central banking and fractional reserve debt is good for mankind. He doesn't seem to understand that is a scourge of mankind (and it is also synergistic with collectivized corruption, e.g. government).

Armstrong lacks understanding (or appreciation) of the importance of bottom up, leaderless paradigms.

If we only had the top-down paradigms, the human race would have destroyed itself long ago.

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Subject: Mar 16: banksters benefit from the BIS Basel enforcement
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Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 8:47 am
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True hope (as opposed to abject failure) is recognizing reality and making the adjustments needed to be prosperous.

If no one adjusts, then the abyss will be much worse.

All (or most) of Europe's banking and sovereign debt is a house of cards with insignificant actual solvent Tier 1 capital. The insolvent sovereign bonds are used as the Tier 1 capital for the banks' reserves (even in Germany). The banks are not forced to mark-to-market until Greece (et al) actually default. Thus the entire extent of the collapse is hidden from the accounting. The defaults will spread like dominoes due to mark-to-market rules of the BIS Basel rounds (and hmmm the banksters created a Basel system to cause the collapse and usher in their one-world reserve currency "solution") once the first defaults get underway. Armstrong had correctly predicted Austria to be the location of the first defaults. And now we see it has started. Draghi's QE will buy a few months hiatus only (and line the pockets of the banksters under the ruse of "domestic policy objectives" bullshit).

The entire thing is going to collapse horrifically.

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March 16, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
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Japan's Central Bank became the entire economy in Japan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

This is the brave new world we are headed into with a single central bank that controls the world.

Knowledge Age innovation is incompatible with that top-down micromanagement. Thus we much break free from Armstrong's "solutions".

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Japan's Central Bank became the entire economy in Japan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY

This is the brave new world we are headed into with a single central bank that controls the world.

Knowledge Age innovation is incompatible with that top-down micromanagement. Thus we much break free from Armstrong's "solutions".
Indeed this is where we are headed and they will use cryptocurrencies for it (closed source and controlled), this is why Bitcoin is so important and this is why you are insane if you haven't got a good chunk of your wealth in BTC already.
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Subject: Mar 17: Warren Buffet is the perfect poster boy for why Knowledge Age doesn't need the one-world central bank
From:    iamback
Date:    Mon, March 16, 2015 3:55 pm
To:      "Armstrong Economics" <armstrongeconomics@gmail.com>
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Now we know why Buffet supported the TARP and QE:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article49800.html

Quote from: Porter Stansberry
This greatly amplified his returns and greatly increased the volatility of his portfolio. It nearly wiped him out in the 1974 bear market.
 
The Asness team saw the same kind of volatility in Berkshire's shares. Berkshire fell 51% from peak to trough in the 2008-2009 financial crisis. It saw a 49% decline in the bear market of 2000. It fell 37% during the "Black Monday" stock meltdown in 1987.

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We find that the secret to Buffett's success is his preference for cheap, safe, high-quality stocks combined with his consistent use of leverage to magnify returns while surviving the inevitable large absolute and relative drawdowns this entails. Indeed, we find that stocks with the characteristics favored by Buffett have done well in general, that Buffett applies about 1.6-to-1 leverage financed partly using insurance float with a low financing rate, and that leveraging safe stocks can largely explain Buffett's performance.

The Knowledge Age has no use for Buffet. He doesn't add any expertise, that can't be automated with a computer as the Asness team has shown. This is an example of the impending demise of the one-world reserve currency and central banking (pooling risk to insurance against inevitable defaults of fractional reserve banking).

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