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April 14, 2015, 08:43:24 AM
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Looks like the Czech President got pressured after all. He will come to Moscow, but will not attend the Parade, using the time for talks with Slovak PM:
http://ria.ru/politics/20150410/1057789887.html

European Union members are afraid to provoke their master (the United States). They should wag their tail and show how obedient they are to their master.

                               
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April 14, 2015, 08:46:34 AM
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The nazi's won. You're all disillusioned.
They took over the US govt and have been working their agenda back into the world since than.

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April 16, 2015, 08:59:47 PM
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The nazi's won. You're all disillusioned.
They took over the US govt and have been working their agenda back into the world since than.

I am sad to admit it, but you are right, especially taking the recent developments in Eastern Europe, puppeteered from across the pond, into account.



Lada Ray published an incredible article, detailing how fickle the public opinion is, showing it on the example of several war-time films that came from Hollywood and made for a strong pro-Russian propaganda. Then, after Roosevelt's death (murder?) the propaganda made a U-turn, demonising Russia/USSR, then a new U-turn during Gorbachov/Yeltsin, when it became possible to break USSR and pillage Russia, and a new U-turn again, when Putin came to power and shut the flood-gates.

Comrades Roosevelt and Gregory Peck: When Hollywood Sent Its Scripts For Stalin’s Approval
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/comrades-roosevelt-and-gregory-peck-when-hollywood-sent-its-scripts-for-stalins-approval

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Here is a remarkable list of films (in Russian and English) released by Hollywood during the period between 1942 and 1945:

“Дни Славы” – Days of Glory, 1944
“Миссия в Москву” – Mission To Moscow
“Северная Звезда” – The North Star (также известен под названием «Бронированная атака» aka, Armored Attack)
“Песня о России” – Song Of Russia, 1944

The story of these films is truly incredible and hard to imagine in view of today’s escalation of anti-Russian rhetoric and saber-rattling. After maligning the young Soviet Union for years since 1917, in 1941-42 Hollywood suddenly was charged with creating a positive PR campaign, in which Russia would be portrayed as a “nice country, with people just like Americans, who want to live in peace and who value their culture, music and art; who work hard and who also fight hard to defend their country.” All this was supposed to help “the war effort,” as expressed by the US President Franklin Roosevelt.

For this piece, I chose to talk about Days of Glory and Song of Russia.

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Let’s get this straight:

American and British propaganda worked hard to create a threatening and negative image of Russia in the form of the young USSR, after they first financed Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution. Then, when emergency knocked on the door in the form of the advancing Hitler armies (the monster who was also their handiwork), they began working equally hard to dispel what they had created! As soon as the war was over, MSM and Hollywood were back on track re-creating the image of Russia as USA’s worst enemy, organizing the Iron Curtain and Cold War in the process.

Next, in 1991-1998, when Yeltsin and Co. were conducting the wholesale sell-out of the country to the West, US media again worked hard to dispel the image of Russia as an enemy they carefully maintained in the previous 40 years. In the ’90s, I lived in the US and I remember the sudden and shocking turn to the positive propaganda. Yeltsin’s Russia was praised. Why not! It was, after all, the regime that surrendered to the West all the prized properties and achievements generations of Russians had worked hard to create. Meanwhile, the same propaganda machine conducted a bashing campaign against stubborn Serbia because someone still had to play the arch-enemy’s role while Russia was otherwise engaged.

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April 17, 2015, 03:44:42 AM
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Lada Ray published an incredible article, detailing how fickle the public opinion is, showing it on the example of several war-time films that came from Hollywood and made for a strong pro-Russian propaganda. Then, after Roosevelt's death (murder?) the propaganda made a U-turn, demonising Russia/USSR, then a new U-turn during Gorbachov/Yeltsin, when it became possible to break USSR and pillage Russia, and a new U-turn again, when Putin came to power and shut the flood-gates.

Hollywood has always played its role in spreading the American propaganda, by vilifying those ethnic groups and nations which are considered as anti-US (Russia, Serbia.etc). The recent movie In the Land of Blood and Honey, is a prime example for this. But lately, people outside the US are starting to better understand the motives and tactics behind these movies. 

                               
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April 19, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
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To the points that Bryant mentioned on the previous page...

Ungrateful Europe. What would have happened should we push Hitler back just to our borders
http://stanislavs.org/ungrateful-europe-what-would-have-happened-should-we-push-hitler-back-just-to-our-borders/

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This is a translation from Russian of two historical articles, published in Argumenty i Fakty on the 3rd of April 2015.
The main article was written by Georgij Zotov. A subsequent expert opinion is presented by historian Rudolph Pihoj.

On the eve of the 70th anniversary of Victory “AiF” tried to imagine: what would the map of Europe look like, had USSR not given thousands of kilometres of territories as present to those countries that now call us occupiers. And if they would give up these lands now.

Wroclaw – one of the most touristic cities of Poland. Crowds with cameras are everywhere, there’s not a spare spot in the expensive restaurants, taxi drivers ask for ungodly prices. At the entrance to the marketplace there waves a banner saying “Wroclaw – a real Polish charm!”. All seems fine, but as early as in May 1945 Wroclaw was called Breslau and had not belonged to Poland for 600 consecutive(!) years before that. The Victory Day, now referred by Warsaw as “the beginning of the communist tyranny,” added to Poland the German Silesia, Pomerania, as well as 80% of East Prussia. No one mentions this now: in other words that was a tyranny, but we’d still grab that land. “AiF” observer decided to understand, what would the map of Europe look like now, if our former brothers in the East were left without the help of the “occupiers”?

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Striking WWII Footage and Inspiring Song of the Great Victory
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Don’t miss this video!

This is a very nice song about the Great Patriotic War (WWII) and the Great Victory. The real documentary footage from 1941-45 is a revelation, including battles, the historic Victory Banner over Berlin’s Reichstag, but especially, the striking footage of how those who were lucky to survive were greeted back home.

“For all those who are alive, and who are already gone – and for those who are still to be born…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30A_g0Aycos

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Members of the Russian biker club "Night Wolves" planned a rally Moscow-Berlin to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Victory.

The planned stops along the way were Misnk-Brest-Wrotslav-Brno-Braislava-Wien-München-Pague. They all had their Schengen visas in order. A few days ago Merkel's office demanded that their visas should be recalled. And today they were not let into Poland after lengthy interrogations and searches of personal belongings. Polish side cited "treat to the security of the Polish state". Interesting how about 200 civilians, whose goal is to meet the veterans of WWII and to lay flowers at the graves of the fallen Soviet soldiers, who laid their lives in liberating this very same Poland.

http://www.forbes.ru/news/287299-mid-potreboval-ot-polshi-obyasnenii-iz-za-otkaza-propustit-nochnykh-volkov

Luckily, the Polish bikers will take up the banner that was about to fall and will deliver the messages that Night Wolves planned to deliver to the veterans in Berlin:
http://ria.ru/world/20150427/1061185373.html

In their message in LiveJournal they stated:

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"Due to the fact that the "Night Wolves" were officially denied entry to Poland, Hirurg (the leader of the club - Ed.) will give the message (the message from the veterans of the Great Patriotic War to the veterans of Europe - Ed.) to the Europeans through their Polish biker friends. Our brothers in spirit will anyway reach Berlin! "

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It's funny that someone with the silly moniker "saddampbuh" [peace be upon him] has figured out about 20x more than anyone else in this thread. Cheesy

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April 28, 2015, 08:57:47 PM
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Polish authorities are going too far in their boot-licking.

As we all know, the only 3 countries that opposed the recent UN resolution against glorification of Nazism are USA, Canada and Ukraine.

Poland didn't have anything against, when fully-armed US troops waltzed over their country.

However, they blocked the Russian bikers, civilians, on their motor-cross "The Roads of Victory", commemorating the 70th anniversary of the Victory over Nazi Germany. Not only Polish authorities grill the bikers and journalists - all having valid Schengen visas - for 6 hours at the border, they failed to give any plausible reason for the refusal to enter the country. The bikers were intimidated with fully-armed special police detachments. Polish ambassador received from the Russian Foreign Ministry a note of protest with a request to give formal explanation of blocking the commemorative action, calling a total refusal to remember the Auschwitz.

http://tass.ru/politika/1938466
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26372.5/3253603/

Not only that, but the Polish authorities put a military cordon with armoured vehicles around a memorial cemetery, prohibiting Polish bikers, who took up the cross, from entering it and laying flowers to the graves of the Soviet soldiers, who 70 years ago paid with their lives for liberation of Poland. Polish authorities have thus used military against democratic right of their own Polish citizens.


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Polish authorities are going too far in their boot-licking.

As we all know, the only 3 countries that opposed the recent UN resolution against glorification of Nazism are USA, Canada and Ukraine.

Poland didn't have anything against, when fully-armed US troops waltzed over their country.

However, they blocked the Russian bikers, civilians, on their motor-cross "The Roads of Victory", commemorating the 70th anniversary of the Victory over Nazi Germany. Not only Polish authorities grill the bikers and journalists - all having valid Schengen visas - for 6 hours at the border, they failed to give any plausible reason for the refusal to enter the country. The bikers were intimidated with fully-armed special police detachments. Polish ambassador received from the Russian Foreign Ministry a note of protest with a request to give formal explanation of blocking the commemorative action, calling a total refusal to remember the Auschwitz.

http://tass.ru/politika/1938466
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26372.5/3253603/

Not only that, but the Polish authorities put a military cordon with armoured vehicles around a memorial cemetery, prohibiting Polish bikers, who took up the cross, from entering it and laying flowers to the graves of the Soviet soldiers, who 70 years ago paid with their lives for liberation of Poland. Polish authorities have thus used military against democratic right of their own Polish citizens.


Stalin and Hitler agreed to split the country in half. I wouldn't say they were liberated at all. They were only "liberated" from one oppressive regime to another.
A little ridiculous though.

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Polish authorities are going too far in their boot-licking.

As we all know, the only 3 countries that opposed the recent UN resolution against glorification of Nazism are USA, Canada and Ukraine.

Poland didn't have anything against, when fully-armed US troops waltzed over their country.

However, they blocked the Russian bikers, civilians, on their motor-cross "The Roads of Victory", commemorating the 70th anniversary of the Victory over Nazi Germany. Not only Polish authorities grill the bikers and journalists - all having valid Schengen visas - for 6 hours at the border, they failed to give any plausible reason for the refusal to enter the country. The bikers were intimidated with fully-armed special police detachments. Polish ambassador received from the Russian Foreign Ministry a note of protest with a request to give formal explanation of blocking the commemorative action, calling a total refusal to remember the Auschwitz.

http://tass.ru/politika/1938466
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26372.5/3253603/

Not only that, but the Polish authorities put a military cordon with armoured vehicles around a memorial cemetery, prohibiting Polish bikers, who took up the cross, from entering it and laying flowers to the graves of the Soviet soldiers, who 70 years ago paid with their lives for liberation of Poland. Polish authorities have thus used military against democratic right of their own Polish citizens.


(1) Stalin and Hitler agreed to split the country in half. (2) I wouldn't say they were liberated at all. (3) They were only "liberated" from one oppressive regime to another.
A little ridiculous though.

1. Wrong perception of the event. I'll repeat, what I wrote earlier:
That non-aggression pact was a brilliant tactical feat that postponed an imminent attack of Germany on the Soviet Union at a time when USSR was fighting with Germany's ally - Japan - in Mongolia. At that time USSR could ill afford fighting on two fronts, and would have surely lost. If not for that pact, Europe and Russia would be speaking German now, and China and the rest of Asia - Japanese. Always look at a a bigger picture.

2. You are mixing up liberation of Poland and the prior strategic move designed so as not to lose the war before it even started. Read the following two articles:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/
http://stanislavs.org/ungrateful-europe-what-would-have-happened-should-we-push-hitler-back-just-to-our-borders/

3. An "oppressive regime" that gave Poland large landmasses, treated Poland as a nation, infused Polish economy with Soviet funds, workforce and engineers (at a detriment to the Soviet Union/Russia). See the two articles above.

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To further elaborate on my previous post, and for those too lazy to read the whole articles, here are some relevant quotes:

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During the Nazi occupation of Poland, it lost 21.4% of its population. During the period of 1939-1945, the country was dismembered: Western region attached to the Third Reich (by sending in two million German immigrants), and in the east there was established General Government of Reichsleiter Hans Frank. Colonists were given the best land and homes, confiscating them from the local residents, with hundreds of thousands being driven out. Poles were considered “Untermensch” second-class nation – they could not even go to the same tram with Aryans. The worst SS concentration camp in human history worked on Polish territory – Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek. The Germans destroyed nearly 40% of the buildings, a third of the population was homeless. Is it better than what happened later?

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Yes, a regime was established for 45 years in Poland, which was not a sweet for us. But nobody destroyed Poles as a nation, their country was an independent state, even under the influence of “big brother” in Moscow. Republic has risen from the ruins in the shortest timespan possible with the Soviet money. But they prefer to simply turn a blind eye on this fact in modern Poland.

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– In 1945 Poland received the cities of Breslau, Gdansk, Zielona Gora, Legnica, Szczecin, – says Maciej Wisniewski, a Polish freelance journalist. – USSR also gave the territory of Bialystok; with the mediation of Stalin, we acquired a disputed with Czechoslovakia city Kłodzko. Nevertheless, they believe here: the partitioning of Poland by the Molotov – Ribbentrop Pact, when the Soviet Union took the Western Belarus and Western Ukraine, was unfair, but the transfer by Stalin to Poland of Silesia and Pomerania is absolutely fair, you can not dispute this. It is fashionable to say now that Russians did not liberate, but conquered. However, it turns into an interesting kind of occupation, when Poland got for free a quarter of Germany: and on top of it, hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers shed their blood for this land. Even the GDR resisted, not wanting to give Szczecin to the Poles – the dispute over the city was finally solved only in 1956, under pressure from the USSR.

Also, another example. Famous Polish ship-building industry, which dry docks took contracts from both Soviet Union and Great Britain. Where are they now?

When "Night Wolves" announced their intended memorial motor cross, Polish Foreign Minister Shetina said that it's a provocation. Well, let's dissect this logically. Whom can such a memorial motor cross provoke? Only the neo-nazis (and the handlers of Poland in Washington). Which implies that Shetina expressed a sympathy with neo-nazis. If Poland really wanted to prevent any possible disturbance to the peaceful rally, they could have sent a dozen motorised policemen to accompany the rally to show the presence of the hand of the law. But Shetina decided to side with the dark forces and write himself into the annals of history as an indirect neo-nazi supporter.

Now the saga of the memorial cross "The Roads of Victory" continues. Two groups of bikers managed to get to Europe, presumably by taking planes and then renting bikes upon arrival. One small group laid flowers to the memorial in Budapest, Hungary; the other at Auschwitz, Poland. They plan to unite together with bikers from the "Night Wolves" branches in Bulgaria, Serbia and Macedonia and continue their planned rally to Berlin.

There is an ironic parallel with the events of 70 years past that they are commemorating. Today, just like then, the road to Berlin is fraught with obstacles and not everyone comes to the end, many symbolically falling along the way to the seemingly nazi-fuelled Euro-bureaucrats.

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Polish authorities are going too far in their boot-licking.

As we all know, the only 3 countries that opposed the recent UN resolution against glorification of Nazism are USA, Canada and Ukraine.

Poland didn't have anything against, when fully-armed US troops waltzed over their country.

However, they blocked the Russian bikers, civilians, on their motor-cross "The Roads of Victory", commemorating the 70th anniversary of the Victory over Nazi Germany. Not only Polish authorities grill the bikers and journalists - all having valid Schengen visas - for 6 hours at the border, they failed to give any plausible reason for the refusal to enter the country. The bikers were intimidated with fully-armed special police detachments. Polish ambassador received from the Russian Foreign Ministry a note of protest with a request to give formal explanation of blocking the commemorative action, calling a total refusal to remember the Auschwitz.

http://tass.ru/politika/1938466
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26372.5/3253603/

Not only that, but the Polish authorities put a military cordon with armoured vehicles around a memorial cemetery, prohibiting Polish bikers, who took up the cross, from entering it and laying flowers to the graves of the Soviet soldiers, who 70 years ago paid with their lives for liberation of Poland. Polish authorities have thus used military against democratic right of their own Polish citizens.


(1) Stalin and Hitler agreed to split the country in half. (2) I wouldn't say they were liberated at all. (3) They were only "liberated" from one oppressive regime to another.
A little ridiculous though.

1. Wrong perception of the event. I'll repeat, what I wrote earlier:
That non-aggression pact was a brilliant tactical feat that postponed an imminent attack of Germany on the Soviet Union at a time when USSR was fighting with Germany's ally - Japan - in Mongolia. At that time USSR could ill afford fighting on two fronts, and would have surely lost. If not for that pact, Europe and Russia would be speaking German now, and China and the rest of Asia - Japanese. Always look at a a bigger picture.

2. You are mixing up liberation of Poland and the prior strategic move designed so as not to lose the war before it even started. Read the following two articles:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/
http://stanislavs.org/ungrateful-europe-what-would-have-happened-should-we-push-hitler-back-just-to-our-borders/

3. An "oppressive regime" that gave Poland large landmasses, treated Poland as a nation, infused Polish economy with Soviet funds, workforce and engineers (at a detriment to the Soviet Union/Russia). See the two articles above.

that's your "perception". I'm not mixing anything up. Poland was free and not part of either nazi germany or ussr.
So they were not liberated and I stand by that statement.

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that's your "perception". I'm not mixing anything up. Poland was free and not part of either nazi germany or ussr.
So they were not liberated and I stand by that statement.

No, it's not "my perception", but historic facts, which has become all too fashionable to twist and forget.

Using your twisted kind of logic, Soviet Union was a free country before 1941, so it didn't liberate itself from Nazi German occupation.

Situation changes, and, I re-quote:

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During the Nazi occupation of Poland, it lost 21.4% of its population. During the period of 1939-1945, the country was dismembered: Western region attached to the Third Reich (by sending in two million German immigrants), and in the east there was established General Government of Reichsleiter Hans Frank. Colonists were given the best land and homes, confiscating them from the local residents, with hundreds of thousands being driven out. Poles were considered “Untermensch” second-class nation – they could not even go to the same tram with Aryans. The worst SS concentration camp in human history worked on Polish territory – Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek. The Germans destroyed nearly 40% of the buildings, a third of the population was homeless. Is it better than what happened later?

Nope, definitely nothing for Poland to be liberated from. [/sarcasm] I am sorry millions of Soviet soldiers lost their lives, for their sacrifice to be treated with such arrogance.

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Whether Poland was free or not before WWII is a moot point. War was coming to Poland whether it wanted it or not. There were 3 possible outcomes:

1. Soviet Union could have ignored what was happening in the West and let Germany take all of Poland. This would have given Germany a signal that Soviet Union was weak and could be attacked. As USSR was engaged with Japan in the East, it would not be able to fight on two fronts and would have lost. Result for Poland - it would not exist today.

2. Soviet Union could have challenged Germany, declaring it war, when it became apparent that Germany was going to expand Eastwards. It would have been suicidal for USSR. As USSR was engaged with Japan in the East, it would not be able to fight on two fronts and would have lost. Result for Poland - it would not exist today. Incidentally, this is the scenario that was favoured by Washington and London, which were in negotiations with Germany about letting it fight on one front - Eastwards. Result for Poland - it would not exist today.

3. USSR could have tried to delay the start of the war as much as possible and conclude the war with Germany's ally, Japan in Mongolia.  The negotiations should give Germany a feeling that it gains something (a part of Poland), while at the same time give it an impression that USSR is too strong to be attacked right away. This is the scenario that happened. Molotov-Ribbentorp pact achieved just that. USSR beat Japanese and moved several armies to the Western positions. Result for Poland - it had a fighting chance to continue its existence after the war was over.

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Facts? you speak of facts but you keep twisting them.
Poland was a sovereign nation before WWII, what is there is to debate about this?
This is truth, nothing is being twisted. I'm sorry you failed history or was given a revisionist view of it.
But you keep up with the USSr propaganda BS I'm done with stupid.

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Not many on this forum would have started a thread like this Nemo - so I congratulate you. There are some great links as well, which I fully intend working my way through. So thankyou.

Its peculiar, but I looked up Soviet WW2 losses not long back when there was a commemoration of the Holocaust this year. There seems to be regular remembrances (in the UK at least - I can't speak for anywhere else) of the Holocaust, I've been brought up on them. And of course Hollywood has played its part here.
So I came to wondering how many were lost by the Soviet Union - because, as we all know, it was the Soviet Union that, to all intents and purposes, won WW2.

And I found that even though it was Soviet troops that liberated several of the concentration camps and themselves lost up to (IIRC) 17/19 million civilian lives, not to mention about another 6 million soldiers on top of this, this loss is never acknowledged in the West, let alone commemorated.

Makes me ashamed TBH

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Facts? you speak of facts but you keep twisting them.
Poland was a sovereign nation before WWII, what is there is to debate about this?
This is truth, nothing is being twisted. I'm sorry you failed history or was given a revisionist view of it.
But you keep up with the USSr propaganda BS I'm done with stupid.

Did I ever deny that Poland was a sovereign state before WWII? No. I didn't revise anything. If you accuse me of revisionism, please point out exactly what I revised.
When Nazi Germany started the war, there was no way for Poland to keep its sovereignty. Did Poland have an army that could have kept Germany at bay? No. So the 3 options that I stated remain valid. (And, incidentally, those 3 options apply equally to USSR, which also was a sovereign state before WWII)

Also, Poland remained more of a sovereign state under USSR's influence than it is now under USA/EU dictate. At least Poland's economy was separate from USSR and Poland could conduct its own monetary policy after the war. Oh, and Poland continued to exist as a separate state with even larger territories than before the war. This would not have been the case if Germany won.



Meanwhile in Europe. The forces that desperately try to re-write and forget the history chose their tarhet - the momorial motor-cross of the "night Wolves". One of the bikers was arrested in Germany and will be depored through Finland. Germany's police also have  photos and visa data of all the participants in the memorial rally on file...

http://tass.ru/obschestvo/1947228?isasaa



Not many on this forum would have started a thread like this Nemo - so I congratulate you. There are some great links as well, which I fully intend working my way through. So thankyou.

Its peculiar, but I looked up Soviet WW2 losses not long back when there was a commemoration of the Holocaust this year. There seems to be regular remembrances (in the UK at least - I can't speak for anywhere else) of the Holocaust, I've been brought up on them. And of course Hollywood has played its part here.
So I came to wondering how many were lost by the Soviet Union - because, as we all know, it was the Soviet Union that, to all intents and purposes, won WW2.

And I found that even though it was Soviet troops that liberated several of the concentration camps and themselves lost up to (IIRC) 17/19 million civilian lives, not to mention about another 6 million soldiers on top of this, this loss is never acknowledged in the West, let alone commemorated.

Makes me ashamed TBH

I am glad my efforts are not falling on deaf ears, so thank you.

The official number for the USSR's losses are 27 million Soviet citizens, of them 8.7 million combatants.

However, these numbers may be lower relative to the real losses, according to some researches, who say that there were 13.7 million in combatant losses. According to this research, and cross-referencing the census of 1939 and 1959, the researcher comes to the number of 40-41 million people, when combatant and civilian losses are combined.

Here is an article on this topic from 2011:
http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2011/06/22_a_3671157.shtml

The evidence I've seen so far, speaks however, that the number 27 million people is closer to reality. And for comparison: the total population of USSR at that time was 250 million people.

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"Night Wolves" put flowers to the memorial to the Soviet Soldiers at Olshansk cemetery in Prague. They will also pay homage at the grave of the unknown Czech soldier on Mount Vitkov:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/6/743830.html

Meanwhile Germany is impeding their progress, and "Night Wolves" intend to fight the German government in court, demanding up to 3mln roubles in damages:
http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/news/2015/05/06/n_7171089.shtml
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/6/743765.html



I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/

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I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/

That is what I would call an "eye opener" - anyone that wants to understand Putin (and possibly the Russian people) might be well advised to read that translation.

Of course, no-one today in the bloated West wants to understand.

No-one wants to comprehend 27 million deaths - how can one man understand sacrifice on that scale, even if the will were there to do so ?



So we ignore it.




Except when the slaughter relates to the experience of the Jews and the 6 million lost in the Holocaust - in which case we are graciously asked to make the effort.

But as for Hitlers "subhuman" slavs - we ignore it.

A bit like Hitler himself might have.
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I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/

That is what I would call an "eye opener" - anyone that wants to understand Putin (and possibly the Russian people) might be well advised to read that translation.

Of course, no-one today in the bloated West wants to understand.

No-one wants to comprehend 27 million deaths - how can one man understand sacrifice on that scale, even if the will were there to do so ?



So we ignore it.




Except when the slaughter relates to the experience of the Jews and the 6 million lost in the Holocaust - in which case we are graciously asked to make the effort.

But as for Hitlers "subhuman" slavs - we ignore it.

A bit like Hitler himself might have.

We maybe would have been more caring for their loss if we hadn't been in a cold war with them the second the war with Germany ended.
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