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May 08, 2015, 07:44:14 AM
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We maybe would have been more caring for their loss if we hadn't been in a cold war with them the second the war with Germany ended.

Well, yes, Western media and politicians worked over time to create the image of USSR as the enemy, rewriting bits of history here and there, much like they are doing today with Russia. In this regard, it is interesting to watch Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States": it was not USSR that started using the cold war rhetoric first. Also, read the following article, especially the paragraph titled "Let’s get this straight". Much becomes clear:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/comrades-roosevelt-and-gregory-peck-when-hollywood-sent-its-scripts-for-stalins-approval/


I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/
That is what I would call an "eye opener" - anyone that wants to understand Putin (and possibly the Russian people) might be well advised to read that translation.

Of course, no-one today in the bloated West wants to understand.

No-one wants to comprehend 27 million deaths - how can one man understand sacrifice on that scale, even if the will were there to do so ?

So we ignore it.

There is a saying that is attributed to Stalin: "A single death is a tragedy, death of a millions is a static".
We see how it is demonstrated hands-on today in the way those deaths are "remembered" in the West:

Merkel will not be coming to Moscow on the 9th of May, which is a real slap in the face of those 27 million people. Other German politicians understand it, saying that Merkel could hardly have chosen a worse day for a stand-off with Russia over Ukraine:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/7/744107.html
Poroshenko put more fuel into the fire, praising those Western leaders who will not mark the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism in Germany by not attending memorial parade in Moscow.

As for an eye-opener... Every family in the former USSR has a story like this to tell. That's the real eye-opener for many living comfortably today in the Western world.

There is a project "Thank you, grandpa, for the Victory":
http://cpacibodedu.ru/
It collects accounts of heroism and losses of that time, told by the descendants of those, who fought and died back then. There are photographs and documents on that site. It's in Russian, but I encourage everyone to visit and to browse through, maybe with the help of Google translator.

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I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/

That is what I would call an "eye opener" - anyone that wants to understand Putin (and possibly the Russian people) might be well advised to read that translation.

Of course, no-one today in the bloated West wants to understand.

No-one wants to comprehend 27 million deaths - how can one man understand sacrifice on that scale, even if the will were there to do so ?



So we ignore it.




Except when the slaughter relates to the experience of the Jews and the 6 million lost in the Holocaust - in which case we are graciously asked to make the effort.

But as for Hitlers "subhuman" slavs - we ignore it.

A bit like Hitler himself might have.

We maybe would have been more caring for their loss if we hadn't been in a cold war with them the second the war with Germany ended.

I don't believe in cold war anymore, Aliens from the zeta 2 reticuli planetary system shared alot of technology with USA, Germany and russia, the last 60 years of tech is from them, but after it we had some problems with those or other aliens, and a secret war started with them, the cold war was just a fake scenario from USA and the USSR to make a shit-load of nukes and weapons to be prepared for a supposed alien invasion..  Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0UX-H-3YI

Internet of things.
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May 08, 2015, 05:39:13 PM
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Victory Parade from the Red Beautiful Square will be aired live at 10:00 Moscow time:

http://russia.tv/brand/show/brand_id/59370

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May 08, 2015, 10:26:57 PM
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No one's Forgotten
Nothing's Forgotten


Today marks the 70th Anniversary of the Victory in WWII and Great Patriotic War.
Much can be said commemorating the sacrifice of the 27 million Soviet citizens, who lost their lives on the way to victory. But the best tribute to it is in the words and the imagery of the following immortal song of Lev Leshenko - <em>Victory Day</em> - performed by Iosif Kobzon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4Fy6ZNQO4

Victory Day!

Victory Day how far away it was from us,
As a smouldering piece of coal in an extinguished fire.
There were miles, burnt and dusty, -
We hastened this day however we could.

This Victory Day
Has become permeated with the smell of gunpowder,
It is a celebration
With greying hair on one's temples.
It is a joy
With the tears in one's eyes.
Victory Day!
Victory Day!
Victory Day!

Days and nights in front of the hearth furnaces
Our Motherland didn't shut her eyes.
Days and nights conducting a difficult battle -
We hastened this day however we could.

This Victory Day
Has become permeated with the smell of gunpowder,
It is a celebration
With greying hair on one's temples.
It is a joy
With the tears in one's eyes.
Victory Day!
Victory Day!
Victory Day!

Hello, mama, not all of us returned...
Would be nice to run barefoot on dew!
Half of Europe have we walked, half the Earth -
We hastened this day however we could.

This Victory Day
Has become permeated with the smell of gunpowder,
It is a celebration
With greying hair on one's temples.
It is a joy
With the tears in one's eyes.
Victory Day!
Victory Day!
Victory Day!

Full article at http://stanislavs.org/victory-day-70-years-anniversary-of-the-defeat-of-nazism-in-germany/



And while the world was celebrating the capitulation of Germany, Soviet Soldier were still dying on the 9th through 12th of May, while liberating Prague from the remnant SS Nazi German forces.

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May 09, 2015, 07:03:38 PM
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Hundreds of Thousands March Through Moscow in Memory of ‘Immortal Regiment’
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150509/1021926988.html



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Hundreds of thousands of Muscovites are taking part in the so-called 'Immortal Regiment' march, carrying photographs of their relatives in memory of those who took part in the Great Patriotic War (a term used in Russia and other former Soviet republics to describe hostilities on the eastern fronts of World War II in 1941-1945).

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May 10, 2015, 10:09:29 AM
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The bikers from "Night Wolves", or at least those who could get through the very symbolic obstacles, set to them by the Polish, Lithuanian and German governments, came yesterday to Berlin and together with their biker friends from Germany, Poland and Yugoslavia laid flowers to the memorials of the fallen Soviet Soldiers. People, who congregated on the Victory Day to remember, were chanting to them, "Well done, guys".



Today’s Victory Day celebrations in Moscow mark a turning point in Russian history
http://thesaker.is/todays-victory-day-celebrations-in-moscow-mark-a-turning-point-in-russian-history/

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Today is truly a historical day.  For the first time ever the West has boycotted the Victory Day Parade in Moscow and, also for the first time ever, Chinese forces have marched on the Beautiful Square (“Red” square is a mistranslation – the “Red Square” ought be called the “Beautiful Square”) with the Russians.  I believe that this is a profoundly symbolic shift and one which makes perfectly good sense.



And there is much more in terms of eye-openers in this article, especially about the American post-war plans for the Soviet Union...

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The real reason why the US/NATO/EU countries have boycotted the celebrations in Moscow is, of course, not their very modest contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany, but their unconditional support for Nazi Ukraine: the “country” which considers Stepan Bandera a national hero, the OUN-UPA death squads as a “heroic liberation movement” and the liberation of the Ukraine as a “Soviet occupation”.  It is also a fact the the Anglos have always shared these feelings and that had developed several plans for total war against the USSR were considered right at the end of the war which  I have already mentioned them in the past:

Plan Totality (1945): earmarked 20 Soviet cities for obliteration in a first strike: Moscow, Gorki, Kuybyshev, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Saratov, Kazan, Leningrad, Baku, Tashkent, Chelyabinsk, Nizhny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Molotov, Tbilisi, Stalinsk, Grozny, Irkutsk, and Yaroslavl.

Operation Unthinkable (1945) assumed a surprise attack by up to 47 British and American divisions in the area of Dresden, in the middle of Soviet lines.This represented almost a half of roughly 100 divisions (ca. 2.5 million men) available to the British, American and Canadian headquarters at that time. (…) The majority of any offensive operation would have been undertaken by American and British forces, as well as Polish forces and up to 100,000 German Wehrmacht soldiers.

Operation Dropshot (1949): included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union’s industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.

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May 10, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
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There is a site, called "People's Memory", which digitalised, cross-lined and made searchable the archived information about over 3 million Soviet Soldiers.
http://rbth.co.uk/society/2015/05/08/new_website_allows_russians_to_uncover_fate_of_relatives_who_fought_i_45893.html


And I found my grand-uncle's war path and orders!
http://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-chelovek_kartoteka1004702965/

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May 12, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
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Today, the 12th of May, marks the day of the last battle of WWII, liberating Czechoslovakia, when the last 56 soldiers of the Red Army lost their lives.

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May 15, 2015, 04:50:28 AM
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Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full Documentary)

Let's also remember that the German people - innocent women and children - were subjected to far greater death, torture and destruction than the Nazis ever foisted on others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

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Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full Documentary)

Let's also remember that the German people - innocent women and children - were subjected to far greater death, torture and destruction than the Nazis ever foisted on others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

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What you say there is a statistical impossibility. Unless, of course, you are following the current trend, and conveniently forget about the 27 million (of them 18.3 million civilian) Soviet casualties.



Yes, there were civilian German casualties. And I don't know about the Western Allies' behaviour on the liberated territories, though firebombing of Dresden and nearby bridges, which only result was killing of thousands of civilian Germans, destruction of a city for the Soviet Union to rebuild, sending an intimidating message to USSR ("see what we can do"), and slowing down the progress of the Soviet Army Westwards.

http://stanislavs.org/repentance-of-berlin-after-70-years-the-germans-have-an-unambiguous-attitude-towards-the-soviet-victory/

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Something that no one has forgotten, is the bombing of Berlin and other cities by the Anglo-American aviation. “40,000 civilians were killed in Hamburg in 1943, two years later in Dresden – 25,000. We can’t even put a memorial to them – the “allies” of Germany will misunderstand – says businessman Volker Heinecke, who in 1942, as a two-year child, was kidnapped by the Nazis from the USSR and placed in an SS child centre “Lebensborn”. – I was five years old, but I remember very well how residential neighbourhoods of Hamburg burned: the bombs fell nearby”.

In the Soviet Army there was a clear code of conduct for the newly-liberated territories. Plundering and marauding were grounds for a war tribunal and death penalty. The pragmatic reason: an army that descends into the bloodlust of revenge stops being an army capable of strategic fighting and turns into a group of bandits. There was also a standing order that civilians should be spared as much as possible and all civilian structures should be liberated with the minimal structural damage. Thanks to that Krakow and Prague, among other towns, still stand today largely in their original form, at the cost of additional deaths among Soviet soldiers.

And given the amount of horrors that Soviet Soldiers witnessed on the homeland territories, liberated from Germans, it's a wonder that there were not many who would disobey the orders and refrain from revenge.

http://stanislavs.org/wwii-veteran-stanislav-lapin-i-had-my-own-score-with-hitler/

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And one more thing… looking for water in a deserted village, we found… a well, jammed with children. Around them lay dead mothers. A child was nailed to the house door with a bayonet… How could have we treated Germans after all that we’ve seen?!

Towards the end of the war, Germans had hospitals, where they tranfused blood from the captured children to the wounded German soldiers. Children, who could not take it any more, who were depleted were shot...

Thank you for reminding about the children. I am going to write a translation of a few fragments form a book, called "The Children's Book of War", where there are collected notes from diaries and letters of the children, which they wrote down as they were experiencing the horrors of the War.



Meanwhile, back to the present:

Destiny of Russia and Spectacular Show on Red Square
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/destiny-of-russia-and-spectacular-show-on-red-square/

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Geopolitical message to the world

Throughout the entire day of May 9, 2015 Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping were seen together, talking all the time, while watching the parade and concert – you will see them again in this video of the Red Square concert. This is a clear geopolitical message to the world! Some analysts have said that a new anti-fascist coalition was formed on Red Square on May 9th. Those leaders who came to Moscow celebrations and brought their troops with them are in it. Those who didn’t come… you do the math. This may be correct on some level.

But it goes beyond that – far beyond. The fact that leaders of China, India and a number of other EURASIAN countries arrived, while only Serb and Cyprus presidents were present from Europe, sends another signal.


Something Truly Amazing Happened at the V-Day Parade
http://russia-insider.com/en/history/something-truly-amazing-happened-today/ri6696

Read on to find what...

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Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full Documentary)

Let's also remember that the German people - innocent women and children - were subjected to far greater death, torture and destruction than the Nazis ever foisted on others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

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What you say there is a statistical impossibility. Unless, of course, you are following the current trend, and conveniently forget about the 27 million (of them 18.3 million civilian) Soviet casualties.

Exactly. Only around 30% of the Soviet losses were from the military (And a large part of these military losses resulted from the Nazi extermination of the Soviet POWs). 70% of those dead were civilians, targeted just because they belonged to various Slavic ethnic groups. On the other hand, close to 70% of the German losses were from the military. And unlike the Nazis, the Soviets never killed anyone just because they happened to be from the wrong ethnic group.

                               
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In Soviet Russia, brain washes you!

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Today is the day of Remembrance and Sorrow in Russia. 74 years ago, on the 22nd of June 1941 at 4am, Nazi Germany attacked USSR.

I commemorate this day, by remembering my grand-uncle and his acts of self-sacrificing heroism. I wrote an article about him here:
http://stanislavs.org/the-road-to-victory-my-grand-uncles-path-from-moscow-to-berlin/

And this is just once of the millions of such stories. Each family in the former USSR has such stories to tell...



Below is a link to a photo gallery commemorating the first days of War:



http://news.rambler.ru/30563611/slides/

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The 71st anniversary of the victory is coming in 2 days, on May the 9th.

Preparations for the V-Day Parade are underway. Here one can glimpse footage from various rehearsals:

https://www.rt.com/news/341853-victory-day-digital-parade/

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As May 9 approaches, you can take a digital plunge into Russia’s V-Day preparations from across the world. RT online reporters and cameras are just about everywhere, be it in the skies or on the ground.

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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