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New Lending Platform is coming online at https://BitLend.io.

Its invite only but you can signup for a invite.

i got 2 invites to give away if anyone wants them

Another scam lending site?

I wonder if they release the borrowers information when the borrower defaults.   :-\

Any unique function than the btcjam.com and bitlendingclub.com?

As of right now the only thing i can see is they are strict as hell on the Credit Approval Process. And there support staff is very responsive. (This from me the lead developer)

I think they good in all these things because they have to attract people to their service and they are new as of now. Is their any way lenders are protected in case of scam? if not then it another scam site only.

That might be something to ask there support staff. Give them a shout out http://support.bitlend.io/

I signed up for bitlend.io last night. So far, I really like it. It has a fast and very clean UI. I sent over 3 btc and was notified the second it came in.

Pros:

Clean UI
Very easy and fast to navigate
Easy to submit verification info - They approved my identity in less than 20 mins. CRAZY FAST
Seems very secure and professional
No problems transferring BTC or funding loans
SUPPORT IS AMAZING. They responded to my tickets in less than 10 mins.
The support staff using a system called reamaze which is an amazing piece of support software. That tells me they take this very seriously because it's not cheap.
FAQ has a lot of useful information on it.


Cons:

I'd like to know what happens to my info once I submit it. - Support ticket submitted
I couldn't submit PDFs for verification.  - Support ticket submitted
Not a lot of information presented to the lender. I'd like more info around the loans I fund.  - Support ticket submitted
I'd like to see the stage the loan is in after it is 100% funded.  - Support ticket submitted
There is an INVEST or BORROW box that keeping popping up every time I click on the dashboard link - ANNOYING! I know they're working on that.  - Support ticket submitted
No loans left to fund. I funded them all  ;)

Final thoughts:

For launching last night, these guys nailed it. I really like this site. There is work that needs to be done to streamline it and clean it up a little. I noticed this morning that they already fixed bugs I found. They take my emails seriously and the support staff is amazing. I look forward to using this site. I recommend everyone take a look at it, let me know what you think.

Brand new guy, first post, 3 BTC deposit straight away to a just launched lending site, and a vouch as a customer.

Seems legit.

Hi, I actually just signed up for bitcointalk just to post on this thread to tell everyone about my experiences. I will admit I know the team that is running it,  I should have mentioned that.  I have NO controlling or vested interest in bitlend other than the loans I fund. I'm only here to offer my thoughts on it.  I have been very critical of the site when things didn't work.

The second something doesn't work I'll be over here bashing them and calling them out.

BTW - I have two invites if someone whats one.  PM me your email.

Great, Another way for no-knowledge ding dongs to borrow BTC to "invest" in the next ponzi scheme. Then of course, the Ponzi goes belly up and the loans do not get repaid and these poor gullible fools who borrowed end up having their credit destroyed. The lenders also lose out of course, the only winners are the shylocks enabling this to happen and those running the various HYIP (Ponzi) scams. Without predatory lending outfits like this, the amount and success of the various scams in the crypto world would diminish and sucker in less people. This operation is even brought to you courtesy of some of the people directly involved in the implementation of the Paycoin scam.  

These lending sites doesn't really works well. Either you get scammed or your loan gets ignore. Site owners need to apply more security when it comes to creating a loan in their service or else this will be just another haven for scammers.

Korfax is a hardcore Paycoiner. Please take your lame shilling attempts back to your Paycoiner hangout: https://paycointalk.org/topic/592/bitlend-io-new-btc-lending-platform

https://i.imgur.com/JQ6QURD.jpg

Huh? They only gave you TWO "invites" to shill with? Why not 2 million?

simdude is Jason Sponaugle the sites dev. why not clearly state that?
he also worked for Garza/GAW as a dev (paycoingateway) and defended the clusterfuck at times. current admin of paycoin forums and one of the devs

the CEO Allen Shinner is the guy who is pursuing group lawsuit (400 people+) against GAW. trust worthy guy

Richard Nelson (support) is in team paycoin. not quite sure if he worked for GAW or just forum sanitizer

korfax was a moderator for the current paycoin forum

https://i.imgur.com/FkU0mim.jpg

Nice cartoon there , Jason. Trying to hide the fact that you are a nose picking fat slob kid ?

The real Jason Sponaugle/simdude

https://i.imgur.com/E2ENkSa.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/k4lh6.jpg

When you have the people running something like  this hiding behind puppet accounts and talking to themselves as if they are actually customers, you know for sure that it is like TOTALLY 100% legit.  ::)

P.S: Gotta love how they claim this is not associated with Paycoin, and then all of the "invites' are given out on the Paycoiner forums.

Hey assholes: Please stop preying on the stupid fucking Paycoiners FFS.

Conning people who are just this side of completely fucking retarded is NOT COOL!

I have never worked for GAW just to make sure you all understand that.

fine parse semantics. you made paycoingateway, made contributions to paycoin foundation github etc etc during Garzas reign

or do you deny that you are Jason Sponaugle the dev of BitLend.io aka Yoshi current admin of paycoin forums, part of team paycoin and github contributor?



why do you talk like you are a customer?


edit: some more information
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg12458534#msg12458534



richard nelson seems to be the support person for bunch of different paycoin related things

So, it has been stated that these three are the sole owners of this. Which one is a UAE resident?

https://i.imgur.com/p0n9yBL.png

Who is it? Is it you Jason/simdude? You been over there bumpin sandals with your bro Garza or what?

You work for "them", your face is on the site, and you refer to the site as "they" pretending to be a customer? With no disclosure of your involvement. Wow.

Edit - just to make it clear: https://archive.is/l8PUB#selection-6653.0-6759.104



They may have forgotten to register it. Love the laundry results though.

http://cbls.economy.gov.ae/

https://meem.link/i/a/Lp91N.jpg
Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

I wish i knew where garza was. Just so you know i am a Developer i know the system pretty well for sure. But overall its really up to who ever invests or borrows to report about the system. All i want is for people to join up and try it out. Other then that. That is all i can say about BitLend.io.

i was not asking about bitlend. do you deny that you are Jason Sponaugle ?

I do not deny. I am Jason Sponaugle

How can you sit there using a puppet account trying to convince people to send you their full financial information, Jason?

Anybody who is stupid enough to send their full financial information to someone following the scam playbook to the letter like this is a complete and total fucking fool.

good  :)

but why go trough the trouble of looking like a customer and not announce it as the developer transparently

They don't have to. It's is the end user decision to post the data or not.

Cause i am also a customer of the system. So either view is acceptable. I had to follow the same process as all other users in verifying my account information.

You are also a very poor liar.

Prove that i am a lair in that statement.

You started this thread posing as someone else (a happy dappy customer) to deliberately instill false confidence in this operation. Deliberately misleading people is called LYING. You sir, are a liar, and a rather poor one at that.  If you had not been called out as being Jason, how long would you have kept up this charade? As long as you did not get busted- of course.  How many other smurf accounts are you manning on how many forums to shill this operation right now?

No, "either view" is not acceptable. Being a customer does not make you not an insider with a vested interest in site's success. You have to disclose that kind of involvement upfront and not when you're called out. Now defending that position you're making it worse. I suggest you talk to your superiors before continuing.

Yes i have been told i should come clean and let other customer include you guys find out for your self's if the system is what it is. And that is why i invite you to sign up and give it a shot. The only way to Redemption is to show what we can do.

By "What we can do", what exactly do you mean? Enable people who need a job- not a fucking LOAN, to borrow BTC from others , so they can invest in some Magic Beans like Paycoin ? Then, when these loans go the way they are destined to go eventually, the lender loses his BTC, the borrower loses that BTC plus interest, you assholes get your fees, and the scammers running whatever the next Ponzi is get about 90% of the total. Then, as a bonus, the dumbass borrower gets to get mega-doxxed and have real life collection agencies turned loose on him, turning his credit record into a fucking shitstain. Bravo! Well done sirs! That is not even getting into what will happen with customer personal information in the event of a "hack" or such- you know, the kind associated with the Paycoin operation you are involved with , for instance- those kinds of total security fuckups.

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that. Are you saying you've talked to your boss and you've been told that you're fine representing BitLend.io the way you are?

Because if that's the case then the least derogatory comment I can make is that BitLend deserves everything that's coming its way in this thread.

I hope that's not the case though. There has to be SOMEONE there with a moral compass and a spell checker.

Here is a prime candidate for your first borrower:

https://i.imgflip.com/r98ie.jpg

Are you making it perfectly clear to potential investors (loan funders) that you are specifically targeting the dumbest of the dumb, most gullible, hardcore fools in the crypto world? The three time loser Paycoiners? Right now all those nice fat loans  to this same group that Carmelo Milian arranged via BTCLend that were mostly in Scrypt CC are all going belly up, and now another "service" just like his is rearing it's ugly head to feed on the pool of suckers known as Paycoiners. Lovely.

Edit to add: Here is an even better idea. Maybe you can get some fools investors to fund a 25-30 BTC  loan to Paycoiner Kapetan, because that Jamloan "investment" he made in Scrypt CC somehow didn't work out. You can help finance the next Ponzi and kick the debt can down the road a few months and end up with a different set of loan bagholders that way! Awesome!

https://i.imgur.com/qNhIk1T.jpg

https://btcjam.com/users/33964

What is this about?

https://i.imgur.com/qm6mnyL.jpg
https://paycointalk.org/topic/592/bitlend-io-new-btc-lending-platform/11

Is this true? How many dirtbag Paycoin/GAW scammers are hiding in this new "business"?

I am just interrested, why does someone say Joe is involved, where does this info come from? If he is involved then it's really not nice not informing about it.

Alan should have presented this project here, not jason. I do not think he wanted to pretend he is a customer, I think he did not want to sound as developer, but why did he present it? Especially because their names are published on their homepage. I do not get a feeling that they hide something, except if it's true about joe.

Even Mr. Nelson would be better as he seems to work for support.

As far as I know, launch was success and that means soon we will see how it really works.

Ok, here (https://forum.gethashing.com/t/welcome-to-bitlend/5341/16) is the answer about Joe. His involvement is not good at all, even if only partially. I would like to hear an comment from simdude how far was his involvement and why do you trust joe?

Who cares about Joe? that's obviously a MAJOR red flag, but no one with a brain should want to get involved with the other gawtards involved in this site.

Anyone that deeply involved in anything to do with GAW and paycoin is either too stupid or too scummy to do business with in the future.

Nobody, why do you think someone cares about him :)

If someone of GAW is involved then it's already a bad sign. It looks like there are many who try them out and some information could help others to decide and get own impression, like involvement of ex. GAW employee, I do not care if it is a joe or someone else from gaws scam team. I think it is the same reason why you probably posted your comment, if nobody cares, why do you care?

Wow- and here I figured this was just some random BS, and here it turns out that Mordica really is involved.

Never really read much of Allen's posts before, did he always sound like he was emulating Garza?

Lol :), I knew it, that's why I asked and did research by myself. You are tipping good, you should share some tips for sports :)

Now I ask myself, what is the source of the guy who asked about it on their forum.

So, let me get this straight: The guy organizing the group lawsuit against GAW is in business with some of the central people who were part of the GAW/Paycoin scam, and this is but one of several creepily Garza like operations he has sprouting to life.

http://rs1261.pbsrc.com/albums/ii586/Ginger_Cole/mindblown.gif~c200

Where did you get this picture, its great  :P

Oh, mordica being involved means stay away, but you should have been staying away after finding the first gawtard involved. I'm good someone dug deep enough to find someone that deeply involved, but people need to wake up and shun all these guys.

Regarding GAW, I think, who is still sleeping, he will not get awake, no matter what you do, ganza got reward for scammer of 2014, I do not think we need more comments on it to waste each others time, or?

But to bring some joke. GAW is legit company, it exists and has nothing to do with ganza, they are even good company :) (https://search.disconnect.me/searchTerms/serp?search=565d1dd7-4685-4d04-b500-dc0c5cfc1d23)

As far as I know Allen he's nothing like Garza and he was one of the first major Kool-Aid drinkers to slam the door on the shitshow - I think he said something like "you insult our intelligence" in response to one of Garza's harebrained schemes (Honors program? I don't recall) while everyone was still clapping and cheering.

Anyway. Involvement of Mordica et al is quite concerning. Someone who was clearly part of the abysmal hashrate rentals pretending to be GAW's "hosting" in early 2014 and then all later shenanigans (e.g. a data center built in October to "host" hashlets sold in August) is a bad hire for a trust-based business like a lending site.

The irony level involved in having the guy in charge of suing GAW being in business with some of the people who are responsible for (supposedly? ::)) ripping him off is so insanely high I can cut a piece of iron out of the air with my finger and grind it into an axe. And here I was a couple days ago joking on Kapetan organizing a Scrypt CC lawsuit while he is still pimping that scam! If someone had a suspicious nature, he might wonder just how vigorously Allen is having that suit pursued. How is that going, by the way?

I don't know the details or the current status but I think the lawsuit is focusing on GAW's and Garza's personal assets. So is it ironic - probably; a conflict of interest - probably not, if you trust that jmordica doesn't have a few thousand BTC stashed somewhere :). I don't so I wouldn't be putting my retirement savings into BitLend just yet.

I am really patient in waiting for an official response regarding this question, Alan should do it, as the fact that he is probably the last person to point finger to and there could be an reasonable explanation.

Myself, I do not mind if alan makes something good of this service, he is good guy helping others, not many organise a lawsuit, even if his investemnt is involved, I am sure that there is no intention on his side to scam or be involved in any way with gawtards.

So, basically, thus far Allen has managed to get ~400 GAW customers to hitch their star to his wagon, and now, many months later ,he has managed to find a lawyer who will take their money and that's it? And no one is even suspicious about him working with the same crooks who supposedly ripped him off? Mind boggling, but we are dealing with an extremely gullible and non-questioning bunch of people for the most part in the GAW victims camp.

It's a long post so I won't quote it:

https://forum.gethashing.com/t/welcome-to-bitlend/5341/22

what a crock of shit.

He "ran" a data center that didn't pay their electric bills or deliver coins to the customers. He was in prime position to tell everyone that "hashlets" didn't exist and that they didn't have the amount they sold.

If Joe couldn't figure out it was a scam he's too stupid to do anything else. If allen can't realize that so is he.

So, Allen says that having the guy who was in charge of both the technical aspects of the Hashlet scam Ponzi implementation, and then in implementing the entire Paycoin scam from the tech side is a great guy and should be trusted? Un-friggenbelievable. And that after he tried to hide the rat hiding in his cellar. Hold on to your hats, folks, the winds of scam is a blowing. The scam barometer is on the rise, and soon, the scam pressure will blow out your eardrums.

P.S: Don't forget that Allen is also aware of Joe trying (maybe succeeding- we don't know) to blackmail Garza during their falling out. And Allen thinks he is someone TRUSTWORTHY? As in trust this shithead with your personal and FINANCIAL INFORMATION trustworthy? Insane.

Who is innocent? If this is part of lawsuit, I think this information can be passed over.

Joe, Rick, Amanda (especially her) and all others are guilty. Joe did very well know what is going on, there is a phone recorded where even a child would understand that something is wrong. He worked with feds, thats maybe the only reason of his "innocence".

I am thinking any lawyer with a pulse could make some serious hay with the fact that the guy suing GAW is also working closely with the very people he is saying ripped him off. How bad could they be if he is actually in business with them now? The whole idea is so fucking preposterous I can't quite wrap my head around it yet.

Just what this needs, more lawyers.

I'm actually impressed that a new way to throw good money after bad came up after the gawsuit.

The lawyers are already involved, it is just a matter of when and where they will say what, now. If I was involved in this lawsuit I would be wondering about Allen's motives. Is he trying to intentionally steer the lawsuit where it will fail? I would be suspicious as hell at this point, but the flock of turkeys in the GAWsuit are not likely to get their feathers ruffled over something trivial like the guy heading their lawsuit openly being in cahoots with the very same people who ripped them off. Nothing suspicious there at all.  ::)

@ cryptonit: So, you want to believe that someone who intentionally chooses to deceive customers by lying to them (us) to instill false confidence in this operation means that he actually did not choose to do that. And, when cornered and nailed down in this deception, he proudly announces:


So, "He was told he should come clean". Not "I suddenly realized that I was engaging in something morally deplorable (and possibly illegal) and have corrected my mistake. My sincere apologies to all of you who have read my intentional lies that I told in an effort to gain your Confidence. I see the error in my actions, take full responsibility for them, and will make sure that I never waver from the straight and narrow EVER again."

Can you see the difference between these two totally opposite actions? Probably not, or you would not have tried to defend the actions of this admitted liar in the first place.

Jason makes it perfectly clear that he simply does not understand that lying to people is WRONG. His only concern is that he is getting called out for lying and making the operation look like the shady bunch of creeps that it is, not that there is anything wrong with deceiving people so that they will feel comfortable handing over their entire lot of personal and financial information to this fucking liar. And then Allen announces (after being pushed into a corner- not of his own volition) that there are even MORE crooks from GAW working for this operation, and that he has been concealing this fact. These people are making it perfectly clear that they have no moral compass, and that they are comfortable in lying to me, you, EVERYBODY, just as long as it suits their purposes. This is NOT what I consider to be "trustworthy" actions in any way, shape, or form. These are the actions of amoral , self-serving scamdogs, and all of this long winded oration of excuses for these actions on a private forum controlled by Allen is not going to change these simple facts.

Hey Allen: I think you should hire Carlos Garza, he is out of work too. All that brazen criminal activity , like helping to Con a small fortune from you (supposedly) is ALL behind him now. I think you should hire that stinking liar to be your official spokesman. Replace this half-assed liar Jason with a real stone cold pro LIAR. After all, Carlos is just a scared little boy, cut him a break, huh? Why the fuck not? According to you, these scam leopards have changed their spots and are all a bunch of totally trustworthy guys now. Hell, I think you should go all the fucking way and hire Homero Joshua Garza as an adviser just to complete the whole picture.

P.S: I recall a recent scammer who created his own forum so he could control the narrative to his victims and block out unwanted criticism of his operation. His name was Homero Joshua Garza, and now Allen (one of the victims of Homero's scams) is following the exact same scam playbook. It is truly shocking to see this happening.

Cup of nice steaming hot IRONY anyone?

Another genius over there talking about moridca's "redemption."

I would love some of the drugs they are on. I don't believe anyone involved is innocent of anything, but he is one of the top offenders. If there is some dream world where he was innocent he is definitely not smart enough to do anything else in the future. He was in charge of the data center which was a complete failure and the most obvious part of the scam.

Every step of the operation was fraudulent, but the data center might be the king. There were no hashlets in there, they posted fake pictures and videos, they accepted maintenance fees and didn't pay electric bills, and they didn't pass on mined coins to users. How the fuck can the guy in charge of that "redeem himself?"

I also recall some Emails where Joe is helping dig up personal information from the GAW customer database and connect it to various people that Josh wanted to target. That means YOU, fellow BCTrs! And then Allen hires this asshole ? Un-believable.

P.S: All of you who recently received that Global whatever blah scam phishing Email may very well have been targeted by information that was "leaked" - or maybe "hacked", stolen, or SOLD to whatever scam entity did that from this very same GAW (or associated scams) databases(s).That is assuming it wasn't  Garza or one of the insider GAWcrooks behind that directly, of course.That is a possibility , too.  And now Joe is part of an operation with access to your REAL full personal and FINANCIAL information? Are you fucking KIDDING ME? Touch the fucking wires together, folks. Turn on the lightbulb.

Yes, this global bullshit could come from the same poop   :o

Came across a picture purportedly showing Allen & Joe in the new Bitlend Super CIA Level Security data server facility where all of your financial data is kept- far, FAR away from the hands of any potential crooks. No sir, no crooks are going to get at your information or deposits here, nope. No, SIR! Not in any Super CIA Level Security Level Outfit that Joe Mordica is known for running, not a fucking chance!

https://i.imgur.com/iPHpIdQ.jpg

Some people were saying that they can see some signs of Photoshopping with this. I agree, when I  look close  I can see that some of the (obviously unplugged and non-functional) data servers were probably copy/pasted.

@Paul
and you ask :), just zoom to the image, I think this is enough, but you just need to compare light and where it comes from, it's photoshop
https://i.imgur.com/JGdqQSy.png

OK, I see now.  I guess Allen Shinner and his business partner Joe Mordica must have staged that pic with just a couple racks of unplugged gear and added more to make it appear they have a really big data center to store Bitlend customer personal data and deposits.
https://mjbdiver.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/misc-true-story1.png

No it's too clever for ganza, they took a picture. To visit datacenter would cost money which he needs for dildos, that's probably how he defends himself in sending his retarded brother to the court:
http://static.stevenknight.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dildo_fight.jpg

Here is a clue about why Bitlend is registered in Dubai.

https://i.imgur.com/UZSXrEK.jpg

Allen Shinners , CEO of Bitlend, chastising Homero Joshua Garza (While Allen still worked for or with GAW / Garza promoting GAW and Paycoin ) for not moving Paybase offshore to avoid all of those pesky money laundering and fraud laws in the US. Well, at least Allen takes his own advice and set Bitlend up in Dubai. You would not want Bitlend to be exposed to a possible group lawsuit in the US or anything like that in the future, right?? Cmon, what if Bitlend goes belly up and leaves some idiot investor bagholders pissed off who then decide to select the biggest idiot amongst them to lead a lawsuit against Bitlend? Gotta watch out for that, seriously. It really could happen just like that, I have seen it before with this GAW / Garza / Paycoin deal.

 Who is the UAE national with at least 51% ownership of Bitlend, allowing it to be registered there again? Or is the Dubai corporate registry just another deception? Nothing says legitimate like intentionally planning ahead to structure your company to evade laws designed to protect people from things your company is going to be involved in.  

A response to Allen's verbose excuses over on his pet forum about why he decided with great deliberation and forethought to hire for his financial firm the same bunch of crooks largely responsible for ripping himself and others off , resulting in the lawsuit he is heading against GAW / Garza. This is so fucking insane that I still can't quite fathom that this is actually true.

I guess hiring the very people you are suing is precisely what one should expect from the duly elected representative of a large group of the most gullible fucking idiots ever assembled, the Paycoiners. Here is one of them:

https://i.imgur.com/GR82ldj.jpg

 I agree. Lying down with a bunch of dirty, stinking dogs makes it likely that you will get up with fleas. It also makes it 100% certain that you will get up with some dirty, stinking dogs.

P.S: @ Bubba:  Not to go all grammar nazi or anything, but if you lye with dogs they will sort of dissolve. And flees? Well those are gone, too.

So guys, what's the conclusion about bitlend.io - scam, legit or in the grey zone and worth benefit of doubt until things start going wrong ?

the conclusion is: anyone slightly related to Josh Garza, CEO of Fraudulent GAW and Paycoin can only make you lose money. don't touch it.

What concerns me the most is the personal and financial information. THAT is where the money is from something like this, regardless of whether Allen realizes this or not. I am certain one of the known scammers he has hired to handle this information do. One thumb drive (or a few clicks of the mouse) and they would have the complete personal and financial records of every single customer in their database- forever. If they manage to build up a database of thousands of people that would be a goldmine , even if the information was used "legitimately". Nobody gives a crap about how nice of a guy Allen thinks Joe is, he has repeatedly demonstrated that he is not to be trusted with ANYTHING, especially information like this. I will give Allen the benefit of the doubt and say that he is simply gullible and not aware of the implications of putting people who have abused personal information in the past in charge of even more and more harmful if released -personal information. At best he is simply making an incredibly bad decision in hiring these scumbags from the Paycoin world. If I were to give a medical diagnosis, I would have to say that Allen has the worst case of Paycoin on the Brain ever seen.

Carmelo Milian's take on it:

https://i.imgur.com/5mxkeCM.jpg
https://btclendtalk.org/topic/891/bitlend-io  
https://archive.is/dfqPD

Cmilian is sure that this was a Garza production, because it was taking shape at the same time Garza was using GAW employees (probably including Joe) to help put BTCLend together. But, of course, after Garza "helped" create and fund BTCLend, he totally didn't take a cut of the action, because that is just the way Homero rolls.

I also love the statement that "Joe had a copy", and this was the source code for what is now Bitlend. Put that one your pipe and puff on it for a second. Joe made an information robbery (Backdoor? Thumbdrive?) from GAW, and this is now Bitlend? Surely you jest, good sir!

can u send me a invite code ?

Ah shit I'm slow. Now I remember Joe's e-mails saying something about BTCJam, screenshots, etc from as early as mid-2014. I was wondering what that meant. So GAW were developing a BTCJam "competitor" and cmilian seems to think that Joe kept the source code and it later became BitLend. Now of course cmilian is not what I would call a reliable witness but it's an interesting coincidence nonetheless.

Right, and if you think about the timing, sounds quite plausible that BTCLend and Bitlend are actually the same code. If what was to become Bitlend was already done, why would Homero pay GAW devs to work on BTCLend later? We know Josh put GAW devs to work on getting BTClend up and running, it is in the emails.  Makes no sense that way. If they are both the same source code and Joe had some of it already worked out before Cmilian came along pimping BTCLend to Josh and they then finished it, it makes more sense. Whichever way, it appears that Honest Joe made off with the source code of Bitlend from GAW, according to Honest Carmelo.

Props to Paul Revere. 

Most of us jaded internauts would take one look at a puerile scam site run by some folks who live in extreme poverty (financial and intellectual) and simply move on with our daily business as with any CHEAP V14GR4!! spam mail.  However Herr. Revere has put in good work to help those more gullible.  Hats off to you sir. 



 

Thank you kindly, sir. When this popped up a few days ago, I figured it was just another not needed and in the end probably detrimental "service" and said my piece. Then I saw that there were Paycoiners involved and started pulling on some loose threads. Imagine my surprise when Joe Mordica fell out of Allens underwear! This is way off of the charts wacky, when you have the guy leading the big lawsuit against GAW hiring the very guy who implemented that scam. Homero Garza did not actually do jack shit. He stole exactly as many dollars as Hitler killed Jews. None. Zero. (Not counting embezzlement, of course) They both had other people commit the actual crimes, and in the case of GAW, the #1 guy who made the whole Hashlet Ponzi and then Zencloud/Paycoin scams function was Joe Mordica. It is completely nuts.

Korfax is hammering hard on the Paycoiners:

https://i.imgur.com/oEHicQi.jpg
Ahh, Now you're cooking with gas, bro! No more messing around with just two lil' ol' invites .

https://i.imgur.com/yExZpxP.jpg

Uhhh, sorry, asshole. The BTC is HERE, not there, morons. Your pathetic Paycoiner pals have already been thoroughly fleeced by the same bunch of crooks who are now running Bitlend. Hows about a nice juicy FAIL sandwich with Scam sauce? Then you can go take a big Paycoin and wipe your ass with your "invites". Even the Paycoiner "Freddie Mercury coming out of a toothed vagina" knows enough to stay away from the scumbags running Bitlend. You are really going to have to scrape the bottom of the fucking barrel to find some dumbasses to take advantage of, better get busy!

https://i.imgur.com/g3R1nLC.jpg
https://paycointalk.org/category/9/bitcoin

As you can clearly see, Bitlend has NOTHING to do with Paycoin or the GAW scum that pulled that scam, which is why it was rolled out on Paycoiner forums and targeted specifically at the dumbass Paycoiners, and of course manned exclusively by the very people who ran and still are running the Paycoin fraud operation. In a slightly ironic twist, you can see a thread about the Global Advisors phishing scam Email that was targeted at people from the GAW/Zencloud customer database that by "pure coincidence" happened to be controlled by Joe Mordica, the very same guy who is in charge of the Bitlend customer database. Allen, you can take your "They have not been CONVICTED" of crimes yet" horse shit and buy a Paycoin with it. These scumbags ARE scammers, and the best case scenario is that you are a fool for hiring them. What your opinion of these GAW turds is is completely irrelevant. If you are NOT just a complete and total fool, then there is likely something else going on. If there is some sort of explanation for all of this, I suggest coming out of your little shithole private Paycoiner echochamber forum and do some serious 'splainin and tell everyone why everything about this scum filled Bitlend operation is actually the opposite of what it looks like. Or, just keep following the scam playbook like you are right now. I am sure you will be pleased to know that as of this morning this thread exposing the scumbags in this operation officially has a higher G search ranking  than Bitlend.io does. If you continue on your chosen path, the disparity between the two will continue to grow. Eventually, some of the clients for your regular business are going to start seeing what you are involved in and the type of people you have intentionally selected to be working with sensitive data. Do you think THEY will give a rat's ass about your lame ass rationalizations about why these scumbags are "not convicted yet" and are therefore trustworthy?  You seem like a decent and likeable fellow, at some point you should do the honorable and proper thing and punch out of this fucking Lead Zeppelin you launched and save what is left of your integrity. Seriously. Wake the fuck up.

Hey Korfax, get your shillin' butt over here, I have found a customer that needs an invite to Bitlend. I am 100% serious. His name is galdur (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359152), and I think he is a prime candidate for a Bitlend loan. Just PM him one of those "two" invites you have bro. Shill on, mighty Paycoiner!!!

I think this recent post should be here as well.


Just when you thought the whole saga of the fraud operation known as GAW and Paycoin could not possibly produce another fucked up twist. You have this happening. Mind is officially blown.

http://rs1261.pbsrc.com/albums/ii586/Ginger_Cole/mindblown.gif~c200

Another post that needs to be here as well.


I am starting to wonder if Earth has been invaded by body snatching scammers from the planet Fuckingassholeatron. What I am seeing going on here is definitely not the way Human Beings would behave.

Own thread  ;D, isn't it too much publicity  ::)

However, love the gif showing how such amazing ideas are born and it's connection to the universe, this is the best multimessage of InsanelyStupidAwesoneUniversal idea, can't stop watching it  ;D

"Nuts" decoded:

• Collect Lawsuit Monies
• Go Full Ponzi

D. Allen Shinners. CEO of Bitlend and leader of the GAW suit is clearly demonstrating that your complete personal and financial information is perfectly safe with him and Bitlend:


If you are the Moral Leader of the Paycoined that makes it ok to take the private personal information given to him in confidence and use it in a vicious personal attack against someone who had signed up for the GAWsuit and then had the audacity to question why Allen was in business with someone who is in large part responsible for the fraud which they are suing over, because- you know "Moral Leader of the Paycoined does whatever the fuck he wants". Deal with it.

Here are a couple more "interesting points" that Allen missed:

~ Allen has clearly demonstrated with this attack and doxxing that he can not be trusted with your personal information. PERIOD.
~ Allen also intentionally hired Joe Mordica to be CTO of Bitlend.
~ 1+1=?

Every single person who has sent D. Allen Shinners or Bitlend their personal information had better take a close look at this complete and total breach of trust and wake the fuck up.

Doing a little search, I found another Bitlend shill working the Reddcoin forum. (https://www.reddcointalk.org/topic/658/new-lending-plateform/18)
Archive: https://archive.is/VxShk

https://i.imgur.com/zStorau.jpg

Eric Kraus, one of the hardcore Hashtalkers. (https://www.google.com/search?q=kraus3742&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) Looks like a real brainiac. And no, I am not doxxing him, the dumbass has his personal information and pictures plastered all over the intertoobz. FYI: The Intertoobz is forever. Just wait till your chidren read what a smart guy daddy is! Invested heavily in and shilled hardcore for Paycoin, when that went belly up he borrowed and shilled from/for BTCLend  and invested in SrycptCC. Amazingly the Ponzi he invested in to bail him out of the last Ponzi failed. Now the idiot is shilling for Bitlend.

Allen: Please stop taking advantage of these morons. It is truly despicable, if perhaps BARELY legal due to some loophole.

Edit to add: Hohoho! What do we have here?? http://thedatingjudge.com/safefreeageverifyonline-com-is-a-dating-scam-that-steals-from-cl-users/
About halfway down the page:

https://i.imgur.com/X9ozTGC.jpg

Seems Mr. Cool feller Eric Kraus ( or should I call you Lorraine?) might be a scammer too! Birds of a feather, __________ together!

Allen: How much are you paying this known GAW/Paycoin shill to shill for Bitlend?? Paying the dumbass with Paycoins maybe?

Every time I poke Bitlend with a stick another apparent piece of dogshit involved with GAW/Paycoin falls out. Ridiculous!

P.s: Is this guy one of the other "experienced individuals" that have in your employ?

Also, how about an answer on the Dubai registration? What's the deal? Looks like it actually isn't registered there, but if it is and it just is not showing up on their website yet, that means that there is a minimum of 51% ownership by a UAE national(s). Your information started out stating that you, Jason Sponaugle, and Dick Nelson were the owners, and then you changed that to "oh gosh it is actually 6 people and myself", and now this. Please explain EXACTLY who is involved in this operation so that potential investors and customers can make an informed decision about whether they should use the Bitlend.io service.

Another post from another thread that needs to be as well.

Sell this story to hollywood and make us rich with Payscam story  ;D, you are famous
https://i.imgur.com/EFFQ8WS.png
 

But Paul, you forgot to write about how the price is hold to pretend some value, there is no trading volume, just resells to each other to pump the price for bitlend.io, I think you could complement your post with your thoughs and expression about it.

And of course Cryptsy's role in this hollywood runner

Bubba has taken up the flag where LeftUser/Boki had fallen and is bravely charging forward!

https://i.imgur.com/dNZdpVy.jpg
https://paycointalk.org/topic/623/bitlend-vs-btcjam
https://archive.is/8eOfJ

Go Bubba, Go!

P.S: GOTTA LOVE the 7 upvotes for Korfax' Jerkoff post. I would wager a guess that is a list of mostly smurf accounts of the TeamPaycoin scammers who run this forum, and of course Paycoin and are the tech staff of Bitlend

Here is a screen from a couple days ago where LeftUser/Boki was BANNED for posting the very same thing in response to the very same jerkoff post from Korfax.

https://i.imgur.com/yExZpxP.jpg

I saw it, thanks bubba, your english is better than my, they will like you more then me :)

Conspiracy or not, but this is a part of the chat on slack shortly before they banned me:
https://i.imgur.com/yfS5ddV.png

We all need to take in mind that he posted 20 minutes earlier an official statement:
https://i.imgur.com/j8uRNPJ.png

And this is the guy who supported mobbing:
https://i.imgur.com/FclQQsj.png

Now what? Official, or not, yes because he was who announced it here or no because he failed to announce?

What do you think :)

Not sure what would be considered "official" from this operation. They refuse to answer pretty much any questions, like who EXACTLY is involved in this "lending institution", and why does the Dubai registration appear to be a flat out lie? If the Dubai registration is actually legitimate, that makes ALL previous statements regarding the ownership of Bitlend.io complete and total lies. Kind of a pickle you are in there Allen. Please explain why everything about this operation is actually the opposite of what the facts and common sense say it is.

Something interesting I posted last night that should be here as well:

Why to open a new project to compete against btc that is scamming a lot people last days but well another scamproject stay away.

Is this the correct and complete lineup of the principals involved with Bitlend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726)?

D. Allen Shinners
Joe Mordica
Adam Matlack
Michael J. Koerner Edit to add: Michael claims to not be a part of Bitlend, but simply promotes it for free.
Jason Sponaugle
Richard Nelson
Eric Kraus

ALL of these people were/are deeply involved in GAW and/or Paycoin.

Since the pack of really standup guys running Bitlend refuse to answer even the most basic of questions about the Bitlend operation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726), I have sifted through the various statements made by the admitted principles- some of which have since been removed or edited, to try to ascertain the complete ownership of this completely legitimate and trustworthy lending institution. Please respond and verify that these people are all involved in Bitlend, and also please indicate any others, including paid shills and such.

While you are at it, can you please answer the question about the supposed Dubai business incorporation for Bitlend? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12458568#msg12458568) Is it a UAE/Dubai registered business or not? Why on earth are you refusing to answer even the most basic questions about Bitlend? If the UAE/Dubai registration is legitimate and not a flat out lie, then who are the UAE national(s) who have the 51% minimum ownership of Bitlend that is required for that to be legitimate?

Expect this list of valid and basic questions about Bitlend to grow and be asked repeatedly until they are answered. If anyone is aware of any information that I have missed or an incorrect conclusion I have made about the above, please post here with any information you have.

This question goes out to everyone, but the Bitlend Operation Team in particular, of course: Assuming the Dubai registration is valid, and at this time that is a big if, Bitlend appears to be perhaps barely in compliance with various anti-fraud and anti-predatory lending laws of the United States of America and it's constituent States , skirting regulation of some due to operating with Bitcoin instead of USD, and perhaps also by "registering" (maybe) the Bitlend operation in Dubai. To my knowledge ALL of the principles in Bitlend are United States Citizens who currently reside in the United States. If all of Bitlend's acting principles are residing in and performing the functions of this "company" (no proof of actual legal incorporation has been provided yet) within the United States of America, are they then not required to adhere to US laws?

Another thing occurred to me yesterday, which I am unsure about. Bitlend appears to be operating in a "legal gray area" due to the loans being made in BTC. (What about WY and NY??) However, the ultimate liability of the borrower and protection for the lender rests in collection agencies. These collection agencies will seek remedy not in BTC, but in United States Dollars. If the ultimate liability of these loans rests in USD, does that make Bitlend subject to the financial, anti-fraud, and anti-predatory lending laws (especially CO's APLLs) that they are trying to skirt? This is a very serious question that needs to be addressed. Bitlend? Are you going to answer? Any legal or financial professional's here on BCT care to give their opinion on this?

I think you've forgot to write their responsibilities.

About involvement, it's hard to say for me, even after chatting to them all, I am not sure that everybody of them knows how to officially describe their positions.

Adam was involved in helping them. How far the word "help" reaches, I am not sure. But here are some facts that should be mentioned too.
1. Adam has built up a team from community, he was always stating that community should decide.
2. Not surprising, but community has choosen same crooks for moderating, same like on hashtalk. On this point I see some contraversy in communty overtake which is runned by same people that had control before?
3. Adam has his own project xpy.io, where same people are involved. Example is Richard Nelson (https://plus.google.com/117134161954470524219/posts) (aka CeForce) on their forum. He is the responsible one for support on xpy.io and on bitlend.io . At the same time he is Mod on their payscamtalk where he was the one who suggested.
4. Same people have direct access to all sensible data, like verification data on xpy.io or bitlend.io
5. Their team is even on Slack involved, for a question about any involvement of GAW staff (Joe), they tried to troll me out and Mr. Nelson suggested a ban of me, this is whole discussio which was accepted by all responsible members on this vote:

tvle83, masteryoshigr, coinfairy and boxhock agreed. Which means everybody did agree on all these points. @Paul, do you really expect an answer from such clever guys?
6. Adam drives away from crypto, Allen is the one everybody listens to (obviously he is not lucky in a choise of his partners and friends, maybe it's better for him to quit).
7. Almost everybody of their staff owns at least one prime controller, just as example: CeForce, Krumz, yoshi, ...
Yellow one is involved into bitlend.io
https://i.imgur.com/GvDn5FV.png

8. Allen business ability is 0. There is nobody who controls this team or even who could lead a company an hold on all responsibilities an leading position brings with itself.
9. Whole team together went illegal way. They missuse customer confidential information.
10. SUGGESTION FOR DOXXING CAME FROM MOD STORMY, his name is David Adkins (https://plus.google.com/102434069921929452397/posts).
11. Nobody of them wanted even to answer a question about Joe's involvement, and nobody was rough or rude to them when this question was raised. I mean, even Paul could not believe that Allen is such a crook.
12. They did not state that they might share customer data, which is not legal and nobody has ever approved such movement. It's illegal, and there have been very big companies which had consquences because of simple data sharing. This point is very heavy, expecially after Dr. Dick Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbvpdsKSkE) doxxed me in posting confidential information, during the launch phase of bitlend.io. Looks like him, or Paul?
https://i.imgur.com/fbhW2NH.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbvpdsKSkE)
Do not expect very clever answer from Mr. Dick :)

13. Point 12. proves that all people involved are not able to run legit business and probably stupidity is their excuse.
14. Point 13 shows that they will not be able to answer all questions. Starting with who owns/runs bitlend.io to the point where Allen and Adam should explain us why same people have access to confidential data which they use for doxxing a user for just asking about Joe's involvement. This is criminal activity.
15. Their criminal activity risks the lawsuit where 400+ people are involved and Allen will ask them soon for money. What should do these who want to quit because of all what is going on, how they now be sure that they will not be doxxed or even something worse.
16. Authorities and media have to be contacted regarding this question. I am unsure how the judge will like these facts and so many conflicts of interest. All this will end in even longer lawsuit which could cost much, much more without any security that money will be gotten back.
17. Couple of them have most coins, MK is top holder, that's why he is involved, as they always ask him too.
18. They all use haasbot on cryptsy for price manipulation, there is no trading volume.


There are much more points, just tired to write about some of these criminals, let's see what else Paul will find out :)

Fact is that all companies are involved with GAW in direct or non direct way, there is massive interest of conflict. These who are not in direct way involved, they are still supporting these who are directly connected.

As for a question who is involved, answer is simple, everybody of their teams. Some in different way, but still involved.

Great points, Boki.

Here is something else about this whole mess that stinks so badly it makes my eyes water. Why am I the only one who can smell this stench(edit to add-except yourself ;))?

Two things I would like to bring up regarding the GAWsuit, Allen Shinners, Joe Mordica, and Adam Matlack.

First: It has recently been revealed (in spite of Adam and Allen trying to hide this) that two of the three leaders of the "GAWsuit", D. Allen Shinners and Adam Matlack, have been in business with one of the principles involved in the GAW/Paycoin frauds , Joe Mordica, in the new Bitlend.io operation. Allen claims that this is fine because Joe Mordica has not been convicted of anything, and also that Joe Mordica is the star witness in the GAWsuit. After all, he actually implemented the fraud schemes from a technical aspect, so he knows exactly what was going on and can finger Josh Garza, right? Problem: Joe Mordica being in business with GAWsuit primary litigants D. Allen Shinners AND Adam Matack makes it simple for the GAW/Garza defense to invalidate or at minimum create doubt about Joe's testimony. Because Joe is in business with BOTH Allen and Adam, it can easily be argued that he has a financial interest in seeing them win the lawsuit, therefore Joe might say or do anything to help them. Likely result: The value of the litigants' star witness has been destroyed and GAWSUIT FAILS! How convenient. Is this intentional? There are 475+ people who need to be taking a long HARD look at what is going on here. If this is not intentional, then it is pure stupidity. Same result for the GAWsuit litigants- likely FAILURE and loss of funds to finance the GAWsuit!!! Wake the fuck up! Question EVERYTHING!

Second: Allen insists that he "knows where Garza has funds located", and that the duo who have already successfully sued GAW/Garza and WON are not going to collect, because they do not know where Garza's money is. (http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/CaseDetail/PublicCaseDetail.aspx?DocketNo=HHDCV155039903S) He also clearly states repeatedly that he will NOT share ANY information he has to help these two fraud victims  collect on their judgement against GAW/Garza. WTF? Seriously? Great idea, Allen, you are a swell guy, way to "help" the victims of the GAW/Paycoin fraud schemes. I would argue that the only person you are helping is Homero Joshua Garza. So, instead of organizing the GAWsuit in CT, where one successful lawsuit against GAW  is on the record books, or any other place on earth, they are pursuing it from where? Texas, widely known as "The Deadbeat State", (http://www.jthomasblack.com/library/texas-lawsuit-and-judgment-basics.cfm) due to it's laws restricting the collection of judgements and asset seizure. WTF? Seriously? And I am the only person who is suspicious about this? Two former close associates of Garza conveniently direct the Lawsuit to a state where there is little to no chance of collecting a judgement IF the GAWsuit is somehow successful? Giant Red flag, folks. There needs to be 475 people asking Allen and Adam and Robert(the third primary in the GAWSuit) why they are doing this. NOW! Wake the fuck up! Ask hard questions and DEMAND answers!

https://i.imgur.com/zhYTqzA.jpg

GAWsuit sign up document:

https://i.imgur.com/knVykds.jpg

Discuss and comment.

 Also: I am calling on some brave soul(s) to repeat or at minimum link to this post on the Paycoiner forums. Make sure to take screenshots, as the GAW/Paycoin scumbags running those will wipe it very quickly. Good luck.

Hmmm  :-\ , I think you are not the only one  :D

Paul honestly, you need to sleep a little bit or you will expose their trousers in couple of days, give them some time to make more mistakes.

BTW: Great post!

Thank you for the kind words, Boki. I know that you are questioning things that are going on here, there needs to be about 500 more people (those signed up for the GAWsuit) doing the same. I have actually compiled quite a laundry list of things to point out or question about Bitlend and the connections to the GAW / Paycoin fraud schemes. I am picking one or two at a time to work on and hammer home.  ;)

Oh Paul, it was much more, about 1400 posts just to try to understand this kind of people. I must admit, I am not sure that there were many educated people, these are easiest to rip off. Same like for passion of the most famous Nazi, he was great orator and mighty SS was doing the job behind. I know that's too much to compare them with worst that mankind has seen but they work is almost same.

I also must say that I was and still am looking at Adam as the only one who tried something good. Adam responds to every question in very friendly way, at least it was always the case when I contacted him. He was even friendly where I might be too unfriedly. His mistake was to keep community whic Garza build up, and that's community who trust in words "Trust me, I am experienced", we know how it really is, trusting is for fools and in current situation everybody who does not ask is a fool. Adam trusted them, that was second mistake and he is still paying a lot for this, always more and more, keeping trust in same team, that's 3rd mistake. I do not think that I am wrong about Adam, I would say he is the only non crook in this team, maybe he recognised it and drives away from paycoin as like stated before, he was very unlucky in choise of his partners. I wish him the best, he lost most of all GAW investors, that really hurts. That was at least my experience with Adam, show me if I am wrong.

Paul, I am not opinion that people who repeat mistakes should be saved when they do not want to be saved. But mostly your contribution saved for sure many in not investing into something and maybe you saved someone his investment, you do not know, so do not whine about others, be happy that you understand it ;).

For them paycoin is like gambling, they are addicts to paycoin, same as playing in casino, they need a doc and some very good medicine.

Paul, did you watch the video, aren't glasses of Mr. Dick cool  :o

I am asking because this video could be almost 1to1 translated with paycoin's history :), this is the moment it turns out that boobies are scam (https://i.imgur.com/AO8etqh.jpg) ;)

EDIT: can't wait for your answer, the point is, this moment is on beginn of this video  ::)
EDIT2: They could even keep the same band, but the should switch to another song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz1pLolzqw0) as long as no answers come.

Is that from one of the Bitlend videos?  ??? If not, I would suggest removing the img blocks for the image of the really bad boobs and maybe just leave the link. These guys will use anything like this to attack us, instead of answering questions. Pure Garza style. I have been cursing less than usual for this reason, as this Bitlend.io story has taken a rather serious turn.

:D
Just as you wish, fits good to this discussion, fake boobs.

Here is everything connected to gaw, garza, hashtalk, paycointalk, bitlend. Whatever you talk about it's about all of them, however you turn it around.

Thank you for that, and no worries, not trying to be a prude or issue orders, etc. Trust me on this, I am not a prude and really do not care what anyone says on the intertoobz. But the Bitlend Team is already using this type of thing to distract from the facts of the situation. The guys running Bitlend and the Paycoiner forums are for the most part the very same guys who made HashTalk into an internet Jim Jones Cult based in North Korea (The People's Temple of Paycoin) using weapons like Ad Hominim attacks, misdirection, straw man arguments, etc , so that Josh Garza could make his GAW/ Paycoin fraud operation as large and successful (for him) as it was. I am sure Suchmoon will get a little chuckle seeing me suggest removing the boobies, seeing how he has chided me for being a bit over the top with insults and abrasive language in the GAW/GArza thread .  :D

P.S: Just saw my "Korfax with a mushroom fountain on his head" pics again- LMAO. Uhhh, hmm. LOL! I'm working on getting a bit less abrasive too.... ;D

No, no you are right. Let's be more official in this thread. I will even try to use spellchecker just to fit to the needs which you want to keep ;). I'll be more polite from now on.

Scamming won't help you lose weight and avoid the diabetes!

Somewhere some odd hundreds of pages ago in the Garza thread, Jason Sponaugle asked me to meme him because he "wanted to be famous on Bitcointalk" sic and that is where that Jason/WOWdude meme came from. Took a while, but he is getting a little more famous now.

Lol he needs to be fatpeoplehate famous too

You guys are really seeing the light!

I avoided BCT for many months b/c of all the meaningless personal / ad hominem attacks.

I really wish I had hung in there, though.

I drank the Paycoin Kool-aid & I could have saved myself months of agony if I had the guts to read between the bullies' lines to get the good information....

I am counting on this crowd to break the story first when they slap the cuffs on the Garbanzo Beans.

If you all can take the High Road, there is nothing the XPY Crowd can complain about & use to misdirect the arguments against the current kool-aid junkies.... 

And more wimps like me will get the truth.

That sir, was as noble and brave a statement as I have ever heard.

THANKS!  But not nearly as brave & noble as your art work!   ;D  (and research.)

LOL, ninja'd me on my "wordo" fix!

I think this response  on the GAW/GArza thread about the situation being discussed in this thread needs to be here.


How many Millions of Dollars worth of claims are rolled up in the GAWsuit? $5ish? That's a lot of Ferraris.

Better be late then never, welcome :)

And Paul was asking if there are any fruits of his animations (I can't mess with him, especially on how genious simple he can paint an owl, he is better than the guy who painted Mark Zuckerberg, beside his bullywood story qualities, he is an artist)

I'll keep getting all this with joke, maybe this/their band can tell them a message about involving GAW staff (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387PiIvJT4s)?

Depends what profit means, sensible information like financial status or copies of all documents could be much more worth.

LOL what a loser. Anyone who wants to be a forum  celebrity is a loser. I post here to learn about Bitcoin and earn some extra money. Aside from making a profit, I don't spend a lot of time on internet forums.

I decided to look for the posts where Jason was whining about not getting any attention like the rest of the scumbags on Team Paycoin and the Paycoin Foundation were getting. Turns out it was on April 13. This time period (April 11-13) saw a lot of things happening all at once.


How am I doing, Jason? Are you feeling famous yet?

I made this post on April 11:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11049268#msg11049268

OK, it's about Dick Tator on Mineral who was burning up that forum and pissing off all the Paycoiners. :D  If you read from that point forward to the 13th you see the following happen or come to light:

~ Homero announces in an obvious (to me) and over the top staged irc chat involving three people (Adam, Sciborg (Jeff?) and Josh), that mysteriously got released for some odd reason by one of them(FAKE leak), that "Paycoins and Prime Controllers were stolen by Paycoin Foundation (Adam Matlack & Co) the FBI and/or SEC is now "managing the GAW Prime Controllers and XPY".  Homero is obviously engaging in subterfuge and make everyone think that he and Adam are now arch enemies. I of course did not buy that bullshit one stinking bit, and I warned XPY bagholders that  the "hack" / split up of the GAW Gang was simply a ruse and that a huge dump was incoming.:


Nailed those points, and now it is apparent that the deception list really did go on and on. Much deeper than I suspected with the obvious attempt at confusing people by splitting up the GAW Gang after the heist and pointing fingers at each other to create doubt about who the crooks were.
~ "Honest" Adam Matlack- Josh's BFF, Jason Sponaugle , Dr. Twat, and the Hillbilly put on a shitshow. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11070369#msg11070369)


~ I followed the "hacked" Paycoins from the first "hack" (~March 3) of Team Paycoin back to known wallets controlled by Garza/GAW since day 1, and shitloads more to exchanges. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11064446#msg11064446)
~ The Paycoin Foundation "hack" happened.
~ The Garza's have a GTFO of town sale. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11076221#msg11076221) "GoneToTexas" was chalked on the door (http://www.jthomasblack.com/library/texas-lawsuit-and-judgment-basics.cfm).
~ The BadBitcoin lead attack on Mike Johnson was in full swing.

~ Threats and real attacks by the Paycoin Gang were in full swing. Threats were tossed around by psycho creeps in the Paycoin Cult everywhere (Hashtalkers Hells Gremlin, Stefania, etc.), and Coinfire's Mike Johnson had just received the dead rabbits in the mail, and was being stalked and hardcore harassed- perhaps even the target of a murder for hire plot. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11078707#msg11078707)
~ Paycoiners were giving Josh tips on how to better commit fraud so he and the Gang can rip them off more.
~ Hardcore Paycoiner chump ColdCoiner launched a true masterpiece app for Paycoin. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11054439#msg11054439) Josh tried to hype it, but even the Paycoiners would not buy that bullshit.
~ The anal dildo pics were making the rounds- warning NSFW!


~ And of course what now appears to be the biggest thing that happened in that short time frame. D. Allen Shinners announced the GAWsuit here on BCT with his one and only post on this forum on April 12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11069037#msg11069037). If you want to believe it is a coincidence that this was announced the day after the announcement of the fake split up of the GAW Gang, go right ahead.


How is that "lawsuit" going, Allen? So far you have gotten 475+ GAW fraud victims to sign away their rights to sue, Gone into business with the star witness and several others involved in the Paycoin scam, thus likely invalidating testimony from star witness Honest Joe Mordica,  set up the suit in Texas, the deadbeat state where no one will ever collect a nickel, and nothing else 6 months later. Nothing fishy there at all.

There are way more events in that 3 day period, but I have some things to do right now, so I am going to cut this post off here. Have a read of those days and see what I mean. Epic.



 

"Lawsuit?"

What "Lawsuit?"

Allen never said "Lawsuit," he said "GAWsuit!"

http://gawsuit.com/news-updates/

I don't see anything new there. Did Allen scrub it already? Or am I missing it somehow?

How could you miss it??? Allen the bad stated the most of them are innocent and as we can see there is no money, not enough? Who needs a court or an stupid judge to decide who is guilty or not, especially if there is FBI and good friends like Joe, even John Doe would be better friend. I think you have also missed that Allen himself is a judge and they found a guilty one :), it's me, so SuperLawyerMegaJudgeDred Dr. Dick Allen stated that I am Ganza, case finished.

Are there any questions or can Allen the bad close this case now and go for a beer with JG, his wife and maybe her new tits that she will buy with the money these couples got by this lawsuit.

Why?  Did Jessica have to pawn her first job?  Or did she sell them at the GTFO Moving Sale?

3 Boobs.....GTT...

Yeah, something like this (https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/09/30/2015-09-3017_46_52-E-Rotic-HelpMeDoctorDick16_9HD_1996_-YouTube.png), I have to whine :(, Paul forbid me to post such nice pictures in this thread :), he forgot where he is  ;D, but I respect his wishes. But you should watch best promotion video regarding Paycoin's history, Dr. Dick and what/how they do it (Some are unsure of who Mr. Dick is, Ganza or Alien??). You have also some direct interviews with Dr. Dick where he explains who he is and how he works (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbvpdsKSkE). I think you need to watch it to the end and some other videos that I posted too, there is huge connection. I am sure you'll understand double meanings ;)

Still no answers to these questions about Bitlend:

Is this the correct and complete lineup of the principals involved with Bitlend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726)?

D. Allen Shinners
Joe Mordica
Adam Matlack
Michael J. Koerner Edit to add: Michael claims to not be paid for promoting Bitlend.io. see post below
Jason Sponaugle
Richard Nelson
Eric Kraus

ALL of these people were/are deeply involved in either the GAW and/or Paycoin schemes in a variety of ways. ALL of them.

Since the pack of really standup guys running Bitlend refuse to answer even the most basic of questions about the Bitlend operation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726), I have sifted through the various statements made by the admitted principals- some of which have since been removed or edited, to try to ascertain the complete ownership of this completely legitimate and trustworthy lending institution. Please respond and verify that these people are all involved in Bitlend, and also please indicate any others, including paid shills and such.

While you are at it, can you please answer the question about the supposed Dubai business incorporation for Bitlend? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12458568#msg12458568) Is it a UAE/Dubai registered business or not? Why on earth are you refusing to answer even the most basic questions about Bitlend? If the UAE/Dubai registration is legitimate and not a flat out lie, then who are the UAE national(s) who have the 51% minimum ownership of Bitlend that is required for that to be legitimate? Your (dis)information campaign started out by stating that you, Jason Sponaugle, and Dick Nelson were the owners, and then you changed that to "Oh gosh it is actually 6 people and myself", and now this. Please explain EXACTLY who is involved in this operation so that potential investors and customers can make an informed decision about whether they should use the Bitlend.io service.
Quite a pickle you are in here Allen. Can you or any of those involved in Bitlend.io please explain why everything about this operation is actually the opposite of what the facts and common sense say it is? PLEASE.

This question goes out to everyone, but the Bitlend Operation Team in particular, of course: Assuming the Dubai registration is valid, and at this time that is a big if, Bitlend appears to be perhaps barely in compliance with various anti-fraud and anti-predatory lending laws of the United States of America and it's constituent States , skirting regulation of some due to operating with Bitcoin instead of USD, and perhaps also by "registering" (maybe) the Bitlend operation in Dubai. To my knowledge ALL of the principals in Bitlend are United States Citizens who currently reside in the United States. If all of Bitlend's acting principals are residing in and performing the functions of this "company" (no proof of actual legal incorporation has been provided yet) within the United States of America, are they then not required to adhere to US laws?

Another thing occurred to me recently, which I am unsure about. Bitlend appears to be operating in a "legal gray area" due to the loans being made in BTC. (What about WY and NY??) However, the ultimate liability of the borrower and protection for the lender rests in collection agencies. These collection agencies will seek remedy not in BTC, but in United States Dollars. If the ultimate liability of these loans rests in USD, does that make Bitlend subject to the financial, anti-fraud, and anti-predatory lending laws (especially CO's APLLs) that they are trying to skirt? This is a very serious question that needs to be addressed. Bitlend? Are you going to answer? Any legal or financial professional's here on BCT care to give their opinion on this?

Edit to add: Michael claims to not be an actual member of the Bitlend.io team and promotes it day and night on his own dime. How about you, Korfax (https://paycointalk.org/user/korfax) , aka Michael J. Koerner ? Since an exact list of who does what in the Bitlend operation is being refused by those involved, I am going to surmise that you must be the CFO of Bitlend,(Edit to add: Michael claims to not be a part of the Bitlend team, he simply promotes it. He is however a financial professional and therefore might know the answer to the questions about Bitlend, which he does promote (for free) so surely you must know the answers to the legality questions. If not, then perhaps you could ask these associates of yours (https://annexwealth.com/our-team/). Have you Emailed these people invites to Bitlend yet?

https://i.imgur.com/wrU9sNn.jpg

These guys running the Annex Wealth Management Team look pretty sharp, except for maybe one or two. (https://annexwealth.com/our-team/) I bet they will know whether this latest scheme you are involved in is legal or not. I think you should ask them. What exactly is your job there, Michael? Are you the official adviser on how to file for Bankruptcy to shaft lenders out of their money that they loaned you? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11995039#msg11995039) I guess you can show them how when you have your first Bankruptcy filing get rejected because you "Have ample funds to pay your creditors" and  are not actually Bankrupt, how to lose three jobs in a few months  and file again, if they are really determined to not pay their legal debts.

https://i.imgur.com/LXotpFs.jpg

Michael J. Koerner , aka " Korfax " is now "President elect" of the Financial Planning Association of Southern Wisconsin (http://fpasw.org/board.php)

Is this a fucking JOKE? A Bankrupt Paycoiner who spends all his free time promoting and engaging in a variety of shady and outright fraudulent operations like GAW / Paycoin and is now involved in *promoting Bitlend on the intertoobz is going to be the PRESIDENT of the Financial Planning Association of Southern Wisconsin? WOW. Are they aware of your Bankruptcy? Are they aware that you spend your free time shamelessly (https://paycointalk.org/topic/266/paycoin-life-behind-the-scenes) and tirelessly promoting fraud schemes like GAW / Paycoin? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ej8lb/a_life_in_paybutts_one_paybutters_sad_tale/) Are they aware that the specific targets of some of your shilling were CHILDREN? I bet none of these financial professionals would be amused to know what kind of scuzzy shit you are going to associate them with.

https://archive.today/wBs73/05cf4f3d3a7ecdf5e9b8050530e7187a0c42e9ab.jpg

 It is quite possible that the targeting of children (MANY were scammed by this GAW / Paycoin fraud operation you tirelessly promoted) in this way is illegal, I bet someone else would know for sure. Maybe even one of your associates. Perhaps you should ask them. IF it isn't illegal, it is certainly morally reprehensible and downright disgusting behavior. If this is the bed you want to make and think what you are doing is a big fat joke and nobody will call you out on it and make you sleep in it, think again. Listing all of the over the top disgusting trash you spew in your shilling of various schemes on the toobz would take days or weeks, so I will cut this post off here for today.

Expect this list of valid and basic questions about Bitlend to grow and be asked repeatedly until they are answered. If anyone is aware of any information that I have missed or an incorrect conclusion I have made about the above, please post here with any information you have. Have a Nice Day!

P.S: With the recently released but heavily redacted testimony of Coinfire's Mike Johnson to the FBI about the vicious attacks and harassment at the hands of the Paycoiner Cult directed by Homero Joshua Garza, it is looking like that might actually develop into a Murder for Hire trial. If and when that happens, it is likely that ALL scumbags who were paid by Josh Garza to shill and worse for him in support of his fraud operation will at minimum be listed during such a trial. The clock is ticking away on the period in which anyone on that list can come clean before then. Food for thought.

It's not that much a question of an target group, it's more about intentions. If you want to sell ice cream, nothing illegal. In this case it looks like hyping and you are correct, it's about hyping the weak one, children.

If some judges decide to hammer at these nuts, then even people here, which did not have anything to do except making promotion for GAW in their signatures etc...., could face some troubles. From this point of view they were helping fraud, stupidness does not save us from punishment, ignorance is no excuse, that's real life. Who placed GAW banners into their signatures and get any amount in any value for this, then they should have researched before.

Paul, I do not understand following: In statement of Korfax every mid intelligent person can see that he hypes because he is hyped. Garza was very clever in some points, like how to build up an pretty simple (keeping on your rules  ;D) minded community. You could see clever people who trapped into GAWtards leaving even before paycoin came. Remember? Even they were hyped, doing the same like Korfax, big mistake. Explanation is simple, they all believe that it will be something worth and keep on pretending "Lovely people, lovely forum", they only would wish it to be like it was, that's it. You will say paradox, I'll tell you, it's not. Why? Because you can see it in their psychology which speaks for itself. They keep same names, same logos, same forums, same system, same crooks as staff, .... . This is their dream, and many are just not strong enough to leave and this fact is something like to make someone addict to something. These people waste their time and money and most of them pretend to have children or to be 50 year old experienced crook who couldn't learn in 50 years that doxxing will make biggest damage to him.

Their customers are addicted to all this, they need a psychologist to talk, someone not from crypto. Maybe this would help some to find their way back to the earth, as they do not believe anyone else, only if you tell them that this will be great deal and on some point 1 XPY will be 10K worth. What do you think, how efficient would be to make therapy on forum with someone who has addiction problem? Probably you laugh now, it's impossible.

I understand and really love your posts, you are an exposer :) of some bad people, you are like news agencies.

CCN and other blogs, they are not that much interested in some stories they were involved, for mainstream these news was not that interesting, for community => nobody wants to make Ganza more popular. But now it is and getting even more after Allen makes public statements about current state of the suit, meaning that most GAW staff is not involved in fraud and he went step ahead in saying how good Joe Mordica is and how much he helped these people. This is question of morale!!! If there wouldn't be Joe, these people might not have lost their money. Sadly, ethics is not biggest strenght of cryptocommunity, especially not of people involved in GAW, they created amazing financial damage to the victims, doxxing and threats to more than 1 member, .... . This list is so huge that this lawsuit would need years to go through whole evidence .... . This is the biggest ripoff in crypto, these guys created bigger damage than MtGox, especially to reputation of crypto as the most who entered were pretty green. GAW and everything what followed is shame for everyone who spell crypto. This can't run more this way, now is deadend!

Thanks for the response, Boki. I have a hard time figuring out what you say because of the translation, so often I do not respond for this reason. The way I read your post I do agree with most of your points.

As far as someone doing something simple like running a banner ad, I don't personally think that makes them bad in itself. When you have people like Korfax who have Paycoin on the Brain and just can't seem to stop pushing various schemes forward targeted at the Paycoiners at this late date, I feel that is over the line.  Some people who were involved deeply in the Paycoin Cult seem to forget about the extreme harassment and attacks on those who were exposing the fraud operation being run by Homero Joshua Garza. I can assure each and every one of these delusional Paycoin Cult pricks that I am NEVER going to forget having scumbags like Hellsgremiln threaten and/or harass me. I tried to search for the post where Hellsgremlin said sic "I would have no problem taking a pistol and shooting you in the face", but I can't find it. I know he scrubbed most posts, but I thought I had quoted that. "You" being me, of course. I don't consider that a real death threat, but it is damned close. The freaks in the Paycoin Cult all thought this was very funny and gave Hellsgremlin some pats on the back. If Korfax or any of the other hardcore Paycoin Cultists wants to continue promoting shady shit associated with these very same people who ran the Paycoin Cult I am going to do my best to expose what is going on.

If this puzzle gets solved on court with high media activity, then judges could ask for such action, just as sign. I did not mean that people who had some png/jpg's should face some troubles. Pressure would be big.

Hey Paul, I was screwed by Josh just like everyone else. The biggest mistake of my life was buying that shit coin. I have some much of it and I'm stuck with it. I believed all the shit Josh was saying. I lost more money than I should have. My only regret is, I didn't listen to you guys when you started to suspect he was up to no good.  I don't work for bitlend.  Will it be successful, I have no idea. I offered my opinion with pros and cons. I'm not pushing it on anyone.

Fascinating tale, old chap. Really.

Care to answer any of the questions posed above?

I'd be happy do answer any questions you have. I have nothing to do with bitlend other than having an account there.

List the questions you have and I gladly answer them. I'm an unimportant person when it comes to bitlend and paycoin or anything is crypto for that matter. I have no insight to anything and control over anyone. I don't think I'll have the answers you're looking for. I'll answer them the best I can.

The questions are already posed above. If you really want me to re-post them and make the search rank rise on this thread I will though.

I guess Korfax could not find this post with questions about Bitlend.io , so I am kindly quoting it here per his request.

Looking at that post. I don't have any real answers for you. Other than I think they are all legit questions.

Since I don't work for or play any part in bitlend I don't know why they are based out to UAE. I would guess for tax reasons?

I cant answer any other questions other than I haven't emailed those people invites to bitlend.

Sorry man, I don't have the answers you're looking for. I just wanted you to know that I have nothing to do with bitlend other than having an account and knowing Jason and Allen from the Paycoin days.

Does that help at all?

If you do not know anything about Bitlend, why are you promoting it? Did you not learn your lesson with the months you spent promoting the GAW / Paycoin fraud operation which you say you did not know was fraud?

P.S: Were you paid or compensated in any way for your activities associated with Josh Garza and his fraud schemes that a trained financial professional like yourself could not see as fraud, even though people were bombarding you with mountains of evidence? Yes, or No?

Here is Korfax, aka Michael J. Koerner defending Josh Garza's fraud scheme on Jabuary 21, 2015- LONG after it was apparent to most people that GAW and Paycoin were outright fraud operations.

https://i.imgur.com/vLRgVci.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/u4UYsED.jpg

http://coinfire.io/2015/01/21/paybase-operating-illegally-without-msb-licenses/

You had no problem giving your legal opinion about Garza's fraud operations. You were extremely vocal in calling out Mike Johnson of Coinfire  on Hashtalk as well.

Again: Were you paid by Josh Garza to post this rubbish?

For reference, here is what I was posting the same day that you were mindlessly defending Homero Joshua Garza's obvious and brazen fraud operation.


And one from January 20, 2015:


And Mike Johnson of Coinfire was under siege by your associates on Hashtalk:


You went for MONTHS after this still defending this blatant and obvious fraud operation. Some "financial adviser". Ridiculous.

Another post of mine for reference. This is December 19, 2014, when anyone with a functioning brain and moral compass was well aware that GAW and Paycoin were flat out fraud operations.

https://i.imgur.com/TfEhuHY.jpg
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg9884777#msg9884777

How many months did you endlessly shill for and defend this obvious fraud operation after that , Korfax? How many people just like this guy who ended up losing EVERYTHING (how about Trixster??) did you help sucker into the Paycoin fraud operation with your mindless shilling for Homero the obvious stinking Fraudster? How many people had their lives destroyed because of your shit "advice"?

You moved your ass over only because you've been exposed. And what is the first what you do? You lie??? I am so unhappy now to keep Paul's thread clean  >:(, I hope you get what I mean! Paul, I am really not sure for how long I could stay polite, I will stay back from commenting, you did great Job Paul!

The posts you found were from Jan. Please don't remind of that. I cant believe I said that. I wish you'd read some of the ones I posted after I found out it was ALL one giant scam. OR The ones I posted when that coinstand garbage was released. If I could take them back, I would. I actually sent Mike an email apologizing ( I wish I still had it.). He was right the entire time just like a lot of others. I'm only guilty of believing Josh and his lies.

If by compensated by GAW you mean them stealing over $15,000 thousand dollars from me. I was never paid in any way.

That's all I got for you. I wish I had the answers you're looking for.

Fascinating, and yet here you are shilling for something else that you say you know nothing about. Bitlend might be legal, but without some answers I can't say for sure. What I know for sure is it is run by people directly involved in implementing the GAW/Paycoin fraud and associated maybe barely legal Paycoin "services". And you don't even bother to ask questions before you go around promoting it. At best you simply have piss poor judgement. Have fun promoting something being run by some of the same people you say ripped you off.

P,S: Have you sent out Bitlend invites to all of the fine folks in the office there at Annex Wealth Management yet? How about everyone on the Financial Planning Association of Southern Wisconsin? I bet you can find some suckers customers for Bitlend.io there for sure.

That doesn't answer the payment question.

Like I told Vlad, him being stupid enough to hold onto the XPY he was given until now doesn't mean he wasn't paid.

Were you given compensation for the nonsense that you posted did? If that compensation is worthless now (hashlets/xpy) is irrelevant.

Why do you have an account with bitlend now that Mordica has been exposed as being involved there?

Wow, your right. That sentence seemed odd, but I did not catch the slithering evasive non-answer there.


What he did was base his "I was never paid in any way" implied answer to the question of whether he was paid by Garza and made it actually be the answer to the question he posed "If by compensated by GAW you mean them stealing over $15,000 thousand dollars from me." Nothing suspicious about that at all. Nope. I know to keep my eyes peeled now. Thanks, Phildo. ;) As the Mike Johnson affair seems to be reaching the point where indictments may come down there are a whole bunch of people CREEPS who were on Garza's payroll for various things that are going to be crapping their pants.

Fuck all of the scumbags who were paid to do dirty work for Garza to grease the wheels of his fraud machine. The ones who did it for free are just bigger fools than those who got paid. Those involved in promoting Garza's fraud schemes have repeatedly been given chances to come clean, and instead they want to keep the deception going. If it turns out that someone lied about being on that list, and you had better bet your ass that Ol' Joshypoo kept a list boys, all the much more damning for them. Fuck "em.

Tick, Tock Tick, Tock The clock is ticking, assholes.

Something just occurred to me. Please answer this honestly, Korfax.

Did you "mention" your occupation on Hashtalk?

Did the folks you were helping keep in the Hashtalk Paycoin Cult so they could be mercilessly ripped off know that you are a "financial professional"?

If you feel like lying or trying to deceive us with a slithering non-answer, that's ok too. I'll start checking the Hashtalk archives to find out for myself. Oh, yeah, damned near all of that rubbish you and the other ringleaders of Hashtalk were spewing to keep the victims of Homer's fraud operation blinded to the obvious truth that was being BULLHORNED LOUD AND CLEAR RIGHT HERE ALL DAY EVERY DAY and which you were reading and then poo-poo-ing on Hashtalk, is immortalized on the ol toobz, bro.

Edit to add: Anyone who spent time on Hashtalk, please post and let everyone know if you know the answer to this question. If you don't want to expose yourself, you can send me a PM with what you know and maybe a general time frame to look in the archives. I never reveal sources unless it is agreed upon.

Korfax is involved in almost everything. He stepped back from being moderator because he was created for something better than hyping kids, to pretend paycoins growth. No, he was not able to do it by himself. Maybe you could post stats of your haasbot, yes, paul will get even your trousers, so better reply in next post to all questions asked! You are involved in some criminal activities, I would not say that you will be innocent after telling your story here, maybe it will soften judge over you, you can hope, as Joe does as well. You guys are busted. Can't wait for the list to be published, I only hope that Paul will not get more busy with other things, otherwise this not really amusing circus will last longer.

Did you ever see Korfax mention his profession on any of the Paycoin forums, Boki?

I do not remember, would need to recheck this question. There was a talk about an financial expert than only him can be, his doings including hyping etc. show how he loved this new role, he felt like big player. I bet that if he wouldn't know that he is exposed, he would probably post now that they all should buy as price is going up.

I suspect in Michael J. Koerner's case all the payment that was required for him to run rough shod on the pack of sheep Homero had rounded up to be sheared was for Josh to let him hang out and act like he was a "bigshot" like his hero. The power trip the scumbags financial professionals and such who ran Hashtalk were on was sickening. The way he slipped in the slithering non-answer when questioned makes me also suspect that he just might have been paid as well. He definitely did not say NO, when I clearly asked him YES, or NO as to whether he was being paid to be a prick over on Hashtalk.

You forgot to mention that Mr. Financial Expert forgot to exit, so far about motivation. His involvement is pretty hidden, deep and looks very dirty. It makes me only mad that he came over to pretend that he does not know anything, sorry Paul, this sucker can kiss my ass! He stills shills in spending our time, quoting and not answering, he throws away our time and trashes this thread.

For a "financial professional" to be exposed to all that was written about GAW and Paycoin and to remain shilling for those obvious frauds to sucker in more victims for a long period of time means he is either a total clown or he knew what was going on and profited from or otherwise derived pleasure from the thrill of being in on the big score with Josh Garza. I don't see any in between.  

I love how your translations read, Boki. Did you see any of the posts by "Serious Invest" back on Hashtalk? He was someone acting like he was translating from Russian to English , and he made fun of Josh and Paycoin. Very Funny. Your posts remind me of that, even though I am assuming that you really are using a translator.

 :D oh yes, seriousinvest, my old friend, I voted for him to be there mod :) , was funny to watch him doing homework

https://i.imgur.com/I5NsrCz.jpg
http://archive.is/IaGTc

Nice "Notta truth" there Michael.

Homero clearly stated many times that the jerks running his sheep pen to keep them docile so they could be thoroughly sheared through his fraud operation got paid to do so. Did you get paid in addition to being a "moderator" on Hashtalk as well?

Care to revise your deceptive statement?

Maybe he wasn't paid directly?  Maybe he did it for free or for other "perks"?  Just guessing.

But Garza stole/scammed from everyone it seems.  Even his "employees".

Phildo noticed Korfax' deceptive half truth and I picked it apart a page ago. Took me a while to find a thread where Josh contradicts him, but I knew he said they got paid more than once. And Michael's choice was to be all snakey. Wow- you are Sooooo Clever!

Recruiting GAWStyle, their favourite band makes it again to the top charts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9swaapalFg).

Don't like to totally guess, but judging from what we've seen from that jane, vlad, etc they probably got paid in hashlets and/or xpy. Holding onto those until they became worthless doesn't mean that people weren't paid.

How much of that 15k was cash/coins deposited by korfax and how much was xpy/hashpoints/other nonsense valued at an insane number? Was anyone really stupid enough to leave 15k worth of anything in any of the websites by the time ganza finally pulled a runner?

I just can't understand what is wrong with these people who seemingly have a decent life going on and are addicted to Paycoin and the cult around it to the point that they lose all connection to reality. It was a FRAUD. Some of you even participated in it. You got PAYCOINED (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Paycoined). Come clean, Get over it and quit trying to be little Garza's FFS. Get as far away from Crypto as you can and stay there. Or, do exactly what you have chosen to do instead. How is that working out ? 

When you look at the culture and dynamic of the shitstain Paycoiner forums they are all little Hashtalks. They miss the cult aspect of Hashtalk and Paycoin and want it to continue. Those that wielded power within the cult miss it mucho more than the flock, too.

P,S: Totally agree about the payment in Paycoin. From the Emails we know that Garza made most of his deals with as much of his play money as he could with a sprinkle of BTC tossed in as a sweetener. Makes people motivated to shill for their dinner that way, and of course costs Josh pretty much zero.

They saw garza get away with it so they will sink down to that level to try and get some of it back. I'm constantly amazed by how little effort these thieves end up putting in to some of these scams.

Another weird part is the deep delusion of people like Korfax that can't seem to grasp that they are basing their actions on what they think is real, because that is what they all say to each other in their Paycoiner echochambers. And then when they confront actual reality like here, they are shocked that not everyone is like the fucking imbeciles that they are used to dictating to who then agree and repeat what they have said , like on their private Paycoiner forums.

Sameone has an invite for me? 8)

Bitlend is big scame

Hallo to All,

I try to register on Bitlend.io , i posted my ID docs - i'm not approved yet -, but now i'm afraid of the use of my personal data if they are really scammers. I hope someone from bitlend could reply me soon

Don't listen to the warnings and history, send more id

Are you sure? I try to send them other docs but platform doesn't allow me to go to the step after Identity.

No of course theyre a scame

My account is looked! OMG! Why??????

Because theres no actual business beyond getting your id and btc

Mmmmm... I try to contact the support but no one has reply to me. Hope someone reply me soon. I wouldn't think they are scammers. The website really nice and the possibily to register only with an invitation seems a good idea.

What's the investment offer anyway? I've never actually went to the site yet.

I try to register this morning. I upload my ID card but doesn't allow to post other. I enable 2F too!  Then they have blocked my account! I contact support (and i linked this discussion too) to have details ! I'm still waiting for a response

you uploaded your ID? what on earth. everyone an their mother is revealing their shady and scammy behaviour and use of personal data and yet you thought it's a good idea to give some criminals your ID?

you get what you deserve.

I hope support visit here! I leave my id below for FAST verification! BITLAND PLEAS VERIF ACCOUNTS!!

https://i.imgur.com/VlRraZv.jpg

And you ask why they banned you? After click on your link, they were told truth and runned away, that's why they even did not reply that they ban you from using their services. You must have said some truth if they do not like you


;D

I still hope they are honest and at least, give me a reply.

 :D, and we are again in top charts. Mr. King Kong wants to enter their Ding Dong :) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QygSrSSv-Vs)

I really do not get it. Read what Korfax writes here, he is their financial guy. He is running away and tries to save his dirty skin. Who do you expect to reply, E-Rotic CEO DrDick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9LpgWSg-As) maybe? What could Dr. Dick answer you?

I fear that I was duped . However , the important thing is that I did not put any bitcoin  :'( :'( :'(

Ok. I'm gone to another platform (BTCJAM or LOANBASE who is better for investing? And for borrow?)

BTCJam is garbage, don't bother. I wouldn't invest at any bitcoin loan service to be honest.

I see that now Bitlend.io have an opening listing, so platform goes well. I hope that support could contact me soon

you registered just to comment on bitlend?


 :)

NO.  :P

It seems really strager. I receive an invite, then i submit my id but my accoun was locked.

Are you aware that you just sent your full personal and financial information- everything needed to steal your identity- to Joe Mordica, the guy who ran the technical side of the GAW / Paycoin fraud schemes?

 :'(

OK. Now you could see that they haven't reply me!

http://i60.tinypic.com/11ql9pk.jpg

I posted this in the GAW thread and I think it merits posting here. Korfax, you especially need to read the bottom part if nothing else:

Hallo,

I see that platform work and have an open listing. Have anyone an invite for me?

Are you sure?  ???  :o

They don't give me any reply!

Good. Why would you want to give your personal information to a bunch of fraudsters anyhow?  ???

The following is not an accusation, just my personal opinion on what is transpiring.

A lot of information has been pouring in during the past couple days about suspicions surrounding Allen and the GAWsuit. No proof of that at this point, but I have now seen compelling (to me) evidence that this Bitlend operation is in fact a Hindenburg that was intended to crash and burn with a lot of smoke and fire that no one who is paying attention would miss. Is Allen partnering with GAW/Paycoin scum no accident or stupid blunder at all, but part of a plan to monkey wrench the GAWsuit? I know that at least one of these tippers was directly involved in the setup involving the Bitlend launch and the "leak" about Joe Mordica being involved and was suspicious at the time but did not understand what could be going on, but now realizes he was being used in a setup and is scared shitless about what he now knows he is involved in.

I have also had someone who has proven to have accurate insider information in the past (VERY accurate  ;)) tell me flat out that he is certain that Allen is intentionally throwing the "GAWsuit" but he is not involved and does not have any real proof, but again, he gave some damned good tips on where to start looking. That, combined with what piqued my interest in this possibility in the first place makes me personally convinced that Allen is throwing the GAWsuit, and that this Bitlend clusterfuck is simply part of that plan. I am going to spend some serious time this weekend trying to sort out and connect these dots I now have, and please, if you have ANY tips, ideas, theories, or evidence post it here or PM me.

To any of you who are knowingly or unknowingly involved in this, the time to come clean is now. Tomorrow will be too late.

P.S: For those of you who are still skeptical of this (I am assuming this is most people at this point), just read some of D. Allen Shinners Emails to Josh. The guy sounds like a Harvard Professor giving a business lecture FFS. And then go back to the first page of this thread and read how he decided to launch Bitlend and ask yourself why someone this knowledgeable about business would intentionally launch a business like a complete and total fucking imbecile on crack. Think about it.

https://i.imgur.com/WSSpC7W.jpg

Hello, I will gladly send you an invite, Dr. Dick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbvpdsKSkE) will be happy if I send you same invitation as he has got (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5RWl4s7964). You only need to send me your documents, if you trust Dr. Dick, then you must trust me too and Dr. Dick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbvpdsKSkE) will make us rich. Dr. Dick is very experienced and his is trustworthy as he is always using billy boy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A7-lclHJxk&index=2&list=RDy9LpgWSg-As).

This is an example of how an scan copy should look like. Everything has to be visible and at least 300dpi.
https://anony.ws/i/2015/10/02/Download.th.jpg (https://anony.ws/image/D39j)

I welcome you to send us a letter with any questions you might have, the more you send, the better it is for you. Please send your request to this person:

call us on our hidden number, we use high technology for encryption, best monkeys work for us, real KingKong's, no Ding Dong's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QygSrSSv-Vs)! You will get this hidden number, as well as an NonReply from Mr. Dick after passing us your documents, we will chat with you. Are you conform with this?

If anyone wants an invitation, send your documents to bitpop :), he will gladly help you out.

Still no answers to these questions about Bitlend:

Is this the correct and complete lineup of the principals involved with Bitlend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726)?

D. Allen Shinners
Joe Mordica
Adam Matlack
Jason Sponaugle
Richard Nelson
Eric Kraus
Michael J. Koerner  Michael claims to be promoting Bitlend.io. for free

ALL of these people were/are deeply involved in either the GAW and/or Paycoin schemes in a variety of ways. ALL of them.

Since the pack of really standup guys running Bitlend refuse to answer even the most basic of questions about the Bitlend operation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726), I have sifted through the various statements made by the admitted principals- some of which have since been removed or edited, to try to ascertain the complete ownership of this completely legitimate and trustworthy lending institution. Please respond and verify that these people are all involved in Bitlend, and also please indicate any others, including paid shills and such.

While you are at it, can you please answer the question about the supposed Dubai business incorporation for Bitlend? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12458568#msg12458568) Is it a UAE/Dubai registered business or not? Why on earth are you refusing to answer even the most basic questions about Bitlend? If the UAE/Dubai registration is legitimate and not a flat out lie, then who are the UAE national(s) who have the 51% minimum ownership of Bitlend that is required for that to be legitimate? Your (dis)information campaign started out by stating that you, Jason Sponaugle, and Dick Nelson were the owners, and then you changed that to "Oh gosh it is actually 6 people and myself", and now this. Please explain EXACTLY who is involved in this operation so that potential investors and customers can make an informed decision about whether they should use the Bitlend.io service.
Quite a pickle you are in here Allen. Can you or any of those involved in Bitlend.io please explain why everything about this operation is actually the opposite of what the facts and common sense say it is? PLEASE.

This question goes out to everyone, but the Bitlend Operation Team in particular, of course: Assuming the Dubai registration is valid, and at this time that is a big if, Bitlend appears to be perhaps barely in compliance with various anti-fraud and anti-predatory lending laws of the United States of America and it's constituent States , skirting regulation of some due to operating with Bitcoin instead of USD, and perhaps also by "registering" (maybe) the Bitlend operation in Dubai. To my knowledge ALL of the principals in Bitlend are United States Citizens who currently reside in the United States. If all of Bitlend's acting principals are residing in and performing the functions of this "company" (no proof of actual legal incorporation has been provided yet) within the United States of America, are they then not required to adhere to US laws?

Another thing occurred to me recently, which I am unsure about. Bitlend appears to be operating in a "legal gray area" due to the loans being made in BTC. (What about WY and NY??) However, the ultimate liability of the borrower and protection for the lender rests in collection agencies. These collection agencies will seek remedy not in BTC, but in United States Dollars. If the ultimate liability of these loans rests in USD, does that make Bitlend subject to the financial, anti-fraud, and anti-predatory lending laws (especially CO's APLLs) that they are trying to skirt? This is a very serious question that needs to be addressed. Bitlend? Are you going to answer? Any legal or financial professional's here on BCT care to give their opinion on this?



Expect this list of valid and basic questions about Bitlend to grow and be asked repeatedly until they are answered. If anyone is aware of any information that I have missed or an incorrect conclusion I have made about the above, please post here with any information you have.

P.S: With the recently released but heavily redacted testimony of Coinfire's Mike Johnson to the FBI about the vicious attacks and harassment at the hands of the Paycoiner Cult directed by Homero Joshua Garza, it is looking like that might actually develop into a Murder for Hire trial. If and when that happens, it is likely that ALL scumbags who were paid by Josh Garza to shill and worse for him in support of his fraud operation will at minimum be listed during such a trial. The clock is ticking away on the period in which anyone on that list can come clean before then. Food for thought.

Good catch -- nice reference to Stuart Fraser / CANTOR FITZGERALD from Allen.  HAH!  Shinners told all the GAWSUIT "litigants" to stay quiet about mentioning any of them specifically in public or it could "hurt" their case.
He has insinuated many times that they have deep pockets to plunder for restitution, without naming names, of course.
I'm betting that they're all working together, even now.

Still no answers to these questions about Bitlend:

Is this the correct and complete lineup of the principals involved with Bitlend (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726)?

D. Allen Shinners
Joe Mordica
Adam Matlack
Matthew K Eden It now appears that this Paycoin Creep is part of Bitlend.io as well
Jason Sponaugle
Richard Nelson
Eric Kraus
Michael J. Koerner  Michael claims to be promoting Bitlend.io. for free

ALL of these people were/are deeply involved in either the GAW and/or Paycoin schemes in a variety of ways. ALL of them.

Since the pack of really standup guys running Bitlend refuse to answer even the most basic of questions about the Bitlend operation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726), I have sifted through the various statements made by the admitted principals- some of which have since been removed or edited, to try to ascertain the complete ownership of this completely legitimate and trustworthy lending institution. Please respond and verify that these people are all involved in Bitlend, and also please indicate any others, including paid and unpaid shills and such.

While you are at it, can you please answer the question about the supposed Dubai business incorporation for Bitlend? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12458568#msg12458568) Is it a UAE/Dubai registered business or not? Why on earth are you refusing to answer even the most basic questions about Bitlend? If the UAE/Dubai registration is legitimate and not a flat out lie, then who are the UAE national(s) who have the 51% minimum ownership of Bitlend that is required for that to be legitimate? Your (dis)information campaign started out by stating that you, Jason Sponaugle, and Dick Nelson were the owners, and then you changed that to "Oh gosh it is actually 6 people and myself", and now this. Please explain EXACTLY who is involved in this operation so that potential investors and customers can make an informed decision about whether they should use the Bitlend.io service.
Quite a pickle you are in here Allen. Can you or any of those involved in Bitlend.io please explain why everything about this operation is actually the opposite of what the facts and common sense say it is? PLEASE.

This question goes out to everyone, but the Bitlend Operation Team in particular, of course: Assuming the Dubai registration is valid, and at this time that is a big if, Bitlend appears to be perhaps barely in compliance with various anti-fraud and anti-predatory lending laws of the United States of America and it's constituent States , skirting regulation of some due to operating with Bitcoin instead of USD, and perhaps also by "registering" (maybe) the Bitlend operation in Dubai. To my knowledge ALL of the principals in Bitlend are United States Citizens who currently reside in the United States. If all of Bitlend's acting principals are residing in and performing the functions of this "company" (no proof of actual legal incorporation has been provided yet) within the United States of America, are they then not required to adhere to US laws?

Another thing occurred to me recently, which I am unsure about. Bitlend appears to be operating in a "legal gray area" due to the loans being made in BTC. (What about WY and NY??) However, the ultimate liability of the borrower and protection for the lender rests in collection agencies. These collection agencies will seek remedy not in BTC, but in United States Dollars. If the ultimate liability of these loans rests in USD, does that make Bitlend subject to the financial, anti-fraud, and anti-predatory lending laws (especially CO's APLLs) that they are trying to skirt? This is a very serious question that needs to be addressed. Bitlend? Are you going to answer? Any legal or financial professional's here on BCT care to give their opinion on this?



Expect this list of valid and basic questions about Bitlend to grow and be asked repeatedly until they are answered. If anyone is aware of any information that I have missed or an incorrect conclusion I have made about the above, please post here with any information you have.

P.S: With the recently released but heavily redacted testimony of Coinfire's Mike Johnson to the FBI about the vicious attacks and harassment at the hands of the Paycoiner Cult directed by Homero Joshua Garza, it is looking like that might actually develop into a Murder for Hire trial. If and when that happens, it is likely that ALL scumbags who were paid by Josh Garza to shill and worse for him in support of his fraud operation will at minimum be listed during such a trial. The clock is ticking away on the period in which anyone on that list can come clean before then. Food for thought.

Keep at it, PR!

The chilling reality of this situation is the possibility of partners, (ex-GAW & others,) whom we do NOT know about & maybe never will... 

  ??? Brrrrrrrrrrr! ???

you should guest post for coin fire! doing great work here!

Agreed!

Here is See Million pretending to blog, but is, in fact, spamming LinkedIn!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/service-management-its-missing-link-carmelo-milian

Be sure to leave a comment.   ;D

\

Thanks, guys. This operation is just chock full-o-Paycoin scum. The shocking part is the way Allen Shinners has behaved during this whole Bitlend launch. The guy has apparently gone full Garza. I personally am convinced that he is intentionally throwing the GAWsuit , and this shady Bitlend operation full of Paycoin Scum is part of that. Not a single answer to even the most basic questions regarding Bitlend so far, but I will keep posting these questions repeatedly until they are.

Have you tried to reach him @ www.forum.gethashing.com?

He might not want to ignore you there, like he does here.

Those were some amazing emails you posted.

Apparently he's been a Garza Wannabe for a long, long time.

Hey PaulRevere:

Even though I gave away my account months ago, I still get rare emails from dysfunctional ZenCloud -- this time Ryan specifically, so if your hunch is correct, there does seem to be a lot of GAW nepotism going on between BitLend & the major GAWMiners Refugees.

EMAIL from ryan@xpydev.org:

"Your Micro-prime key is now available on your account. Log in and click the profile menu at the top right to find your key.

What is a Micro-prime?

A micro-prime is a special private key generated for each Zencloud users that purchased an Immortal Hashstaker. This key will stake at the Prime Controller stake rate up to a certain balance of coins that is proportional to the total size of your Immortal Hashstakers. To use this key, download the Paycoin desktop wallet from paycoin.com and import the private key into the wallet. Once the wallet is updated with the micro-prime update, it will immediately start staking at the increased rate.

Thanks,
zenportal

Login to Zencloud
If you have any questions you can contact us at 'ryan@xpydev.org' "

"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH  Micro-Primes!"

Said Homer Simpson.

Mmmkay... so they hardcoded a few thousand keys now? That has some potential for entertainment.

XPY.... the Scam that keeps on giving.

Got the same email...
The wallet is not even connecting to the network... anyone know about this ?

You can connect to zencloud and retrieve it by the way...

The utter disregard for common decency or the possibility that they will be called to task for their "scams" in the pack of Paycoin Scamdogs is disgusting. Every time I read that these assholes are rolling out yet ANOTHER scam it really pisses me off. If D. Allen Shinners wants to captain a ship fully crewed by a bunch of fucking crypto pirates, then he is a pirate captain. That's how it works. I could care less if he is the only one that doesn't look like a fucking criminal, like the rest of the crass jerks he is partnering with. You ARE who you associate with, and Allen has chosen to associate with some real fucking lowlifes.

 I recall some ~30 years ago, when I was but a young lad, asking Ma Revere about riding to and from school with 3 characters I knew, and she said " Those boys are hoodlums! If you ride around with 3 hoodlums, people are going to see 4 hoodlums get out of the car. If you are dressed better than they are, people will just assume you are their leader." She was, of course, 100% correct. Those guys were hoodlums. Fun to be around at times, but scumbag hoodlums, none the less.

Has the "Disciple Maker" jumped the Bitlend pirate ship? Adam Matlack is still listed as a principal in Bitlend.io. He is such a busy guy, what with all of these Paycoin "businesses" ::) he is involved in, I guess he just hasn't gotten around to updating his Linkedin profile. Still listed as employed by Allen Shinners' other companies (Along with Honest Joe Mordica and half of the other GAW/Paycoin scumbags associated with Bitlend), as well: Prestige Auditing and Picard-Crochet & Associates, Inc. U.S.

https://i.imgur.com/PpMUXhC.jpg
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-matlack/68/532/540

And here we have the explanation of why Allen is so "good" at rationalizing hiring and associating with a bunch of rotten scumbags. He is a "Rationalization Consultant". So he is a professional excuse maker?  ???

https://i.imgur.com/LMo7Zpm.jpg

https://www.linkedin.com/title/rationalization-consultant

3re is another post-Garza enterprise, e.g.


Yes, he can't even capitalize his own name. I heard Cryptsy might be looking for a CTO, perfect candidate.




Not to be confused with 3Re.com, a bankrupt dotcom.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=106826

So this 3re outfit is a sham? I don't see any website or anything about them anywhere. These clowns are so laughable.

This is just fantastic in itself. http://prestigeauditing.com/about-the-owner/

I think we can paraphrase another Homer quote to sum up this new news.

More coins created out of thin air, the cause of, and solution to, all of Paycoin's problems.

This same pack of scum that implemented the GAW and then Paycoin operations is part of every one of the myriad Paycoin "businesses" in existence and sprouting to life by the day as each older one withers away after soaking up as much BTC from victims as it can. They just trade the various titles and such for each one they conceive, it is a complete fucking joke. Looks to me like Allen simply took over the GAW Gang. But now all of these shysters are like TOTALLY honest and legit. And then to be the leader of a 475+ victim lawsuit that is the result of what these same guys did while working with/for Josh Garza and/or GAW? Cmon. I mean.. just.. cmon!

http://media.giphy.com/media/11OoOl6SjfytDq/giphy.gif

A business that seems to consist entirely of "officers" and "managers" doesn't inspire much confidence. The should hire a Chief Spelling Officer perhaps.

https://meem.link/i/a/Ghr9P.jpg
Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

Maybe they can get the copy checker from Meganet:

Thanks, InfroBros!!

Allen Shinners complains on shitcointalk that no one knows anything here on BCT.

Partly True!

Why?  B/C he REFUSES to answer basic, straightforward questions here.

Keep at it, Paul Revere.

He can't have it both ways.

Same with the "GAWsuit."  He is asking for litigants to pay a pro-rated share, yet simultaneously downplaying the likelihood of any success.... even if they "win!"

He got called on working with GAWtards, but claims it's "only Joe,"

It looks like people are starting to get hip to his tricks, even on shillcointalk.

Joe 'Honest' Mordica of bitlend.io & CTO of GAW confirms that GAW does not dump coins  ;D why not trust him with your information and BTC
https://i.imgur.com/anXrF3o.png

GAWSOME!!!  Pious Disciple-Maker is "...executing Gods will."

I wonder how many gods???

LOL- Good catch on the "Gods". I am guessing these might include Baal and Moloch. Adam must have had some important Paycoin meeting the Sunday that was covered at his church. I recall some hundreds of pages ago in the GAW thread the list of the Ten Commandments that these "pious" Paycoin Scum have violated. Now that they have knocked off #1, I wonder which are left?

https://witnessed.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tencommandments.jpg

Hmmmm. Kill might be covered with the dead rabbits sent to Mike Johnson, and Josh portraying himself as a crypto savior might have #2 covered. Lets see, working on Sunday, check, insulting mother, check #5 off, name in vain, stealing,adultery, coveting thy neighbors wife and checkbook,  check, Josh posted false witness against "trolls" on Reddit saying they had made threats against his family, check, check, hmmm.

 Wow, they may have violated all Ten Commandments in this operation now!! Quite the overachievers these Paycoin Scum are!

I would give them a pass on #6 if they eat the dead rabbits. Killing for food AFAIK is ok-ish. Said rabbits could be slightly decomposed by now though.

Well well well  ::)

So thoroughly enjoying this thread and delighted to see the new Prestige Auditing website. Having taken an interest in its owner's incredibly verbose posturings many months ago and still today where walls of his texts could be replaced with mere single sentences, I was quite surprised to see how young the owner is. Certainly had me fooled all this time, I always pictured a middle-aged man, down on his luck, expert in some weird telecom. auditing "thing", Russian linguistics, merely trying to earn some extra "bucks" off of paycoin. Always with some lofty ideas and schemes to make it all work. International off-shore corporation setups, shuffle money here, there, calculating numbers and costs and all sorts of impressive experienced appearing things. But on the site it turns out he's just another youngster with big dreams. Then I start to think you know what, what an odd coincidence, air force, telecoms. the exact same thing as Joe and the others on the teams. Did they all know each other from earlier on. Did they know each other before it all went belly up and were only pretended to be foes all along?

https://archive.is/aIWDf (https://archive.is/aIWDf)

They all look like they are cut from the same cloth.

Not so.  8)

By habit I take a look at the source code of their new website and what do I see:

http://prestigeauditing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Smiling-Man.jpg  (http://prestigeauditing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Smiling-Man.jpg)

That's weird I say, smiling-man.jpg? What an odd file name for the owner's handsome face full on display for all to see.

After much digging what do I find, he's smiling man, over here

https://archive.is/HGBqV (https://archive.is/HGBqV)

on dentistry.entrepreneur.md

 :D

 ::)

You win a big prize for that!


Allen is seriously going full GAWtard!

He IS a middle ages aged guy. 

Look at his bio.

Look at his LinkedIn page or Google Page.

Different guy.

Won't he have to show up in person for the "GAWSUIT?"

This is stranger-than-Garza....  Wonder what he's hiding.... besides his FACE?

Shit, you should have posted a warning "don't eat while reading for you might choke" :)

When I saw that pic on the website I thought it has to be a stock photo. What's the point of doing that? If they don't want to post photos they don't have to. We already know what Adam and Joe look like, it doesn't change anything either way.

https://plus.google.com/111102983867550471869/posts?pid=6148902005058643426&oid=111102983867550471869

Nice sleuthing, guys!

I call Copyright Violation!

The thing is, Shinners knows this!    Duh!

It is still hard for me to let go of the high regard I've long-held for him.

I think the real Allen Shinners was taken captive by the GAWtards a few months ago & Garza & Dorman have taken over spinning his public image....

It's the only logical explanation, IMO.

Allen, if you're reading this, plz answer PR's questions, and save some face.

Either one.

 ;D

Nothing says it better than; "HIRE ME TO AUDIT YOUR SENSITIVE AND CONFIDENTIAL TOP-SECRET DOCUMENTS AND INVOICES"; than a picture of not me the owner.  ::)

HAHAHAHA  "....making disciples FEW AT A TIME...."       What, is he killing them off?

Doesn't capitalize his Church name either.

What a sinner.

Only a true ass clown would have a goddamn cartoon on their linkedin profile anyhow. & A "Disciple maker" ? What the fuck is that even, a brain-washer?  ???

Well... yes.  It is...

Lulz.....    Shinners has taken his pic off his LinkedIn Page and thrown up some tacky clip art.

He claims to be CEO of 3 corporations.

With no face.

If you were him, would you put this up, as it's the only photo google has of this guy who can't even be bothered to post in this here thread about his own scammy appearing business.  :P

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GKxl4_lPuD8/VVVJy5o1JeI/AAAAAAAAACo/cdpaBr_rTQg/s304-no/Me.jpg

^^^^^^   Adam's Disciple ^^^^^

Now seriously though. If this guy is really middle aged, why does it say this photo was taken last may, yet it looks to be from a 70's era photo album - Is that a pocket protector I see?

Allen? ... Earth to Allen .. ? What say you, sir?  ::)

Edit - look at that soda can? Haven't seen one with a rim like that since the early 80's myself.  :P

Its a shitty site that looks professional with the same scam smell as last time.

Amazing what you can do with twitter bootstrap and oneui theme from theme forest.

Mordica slapped
- bootstrap (free)
- oneui theme ($24 on theme forest though likely torrented or used from a previous site even if it is 1 site per copy)
- MySQL (free)
- his time (worthless because he's a piece of shit)
- some site hosting and domain name (probably hostgator and a free domain reg)

So for under $100 usd they can try to scam away... honestly if they make $101 they are in profit :) that only takes 1 sucker.

Wow.  :o Great digging on the fake pic used by D. Allen Shinners -click to see archived page. (https://archive.is/aIWDf) Something looked weird to me about that, but I was just thinking that he was using an old (VERY old?) pic. I would never have thought that Allen was so brazen as to use full scamdog tactics and post a fake pic of himself on what is supposedly his "real" business's site. Mind blown yet again. So: D. Allen Shinners' "legitimate" real world company, Prestige Auditing, consists of some dudes he ladled from the Paycoin chum bucket and a stock (probably copyrighted) pic of some random smiling man. WTF?  Has anyone done a background search to see if his financial status is different than that of the big-shot tech entrepreneur he claims to be?

https://i.imgur.com/WdQkLgY.jpg
https://www.alumniclass.com/reunion-newsletter-wauseonhighschool-wauseon-oh-spring?issue=9&id=100982&s=5241

Maildir: You are hereby awarded the coveted Gold Plated Tinfoil Hat and are proclaimed winner of the entire interwebz for today!

The Allen I once knew has CLEARLY been abducted by Aliens & his identity stolen by Paycoiners & GAW Rejects who have taken over his persona for their own scammy devices.

There is no other explanation.

Allen used his real pic on google & LinkedIn for YEARS.

This is way strange behavior & NOT Allen in his right mind.

Allen also has the guts to come here & answer simple questions....so where is he??

:moon:

Its like the movie face off... He now has Josh Garza's face and Josh Garza has Allen's face... so he can scam again!!!!

Hahaha he looks like he's sitting in the naughty corner... or maybe he is?

So, which person with access to the GAW customer database is pulling the latest scam phishing attempt relating to the GAWsuit? The following list of people involved in Bitlend.io are all possible culprits.

D. Allen Shinners aka Allen1980s
Joe Mordica aka Honest Joe
Adam Matlack aka Huey ; The Disciple Maker ; Josh Garza's BBFL
Matthew K Eden aka MK It now appears that this Paycoin Creep is part of Bitlend.io as well
Jason Sponaugle aka Simdude
Richard Nelson aka CeForce
Eric Kraus aka Kraus3742
Michael J. Koerner aka Korfax Michael claims to be promoting Bitlend.io. for free

What alias's am I missing? Also: Please refresh my memory. What exactly was Matthew K. Eden's part in the GAW/ Paycoin fraud operation? Was he not Jonah Dorman's partner, who then became a contract worker for GAW after the "sale" (seemed more like a merger to me) of Zencloud to GAW? Was he part of the Hashlet tech (fraud) team at that point? What part did he have in Paycoin development?

ALL of these people were/are deeply involved in either the GAW and/or Paycoin schemes in a variety of ways. ALL of them.

Since the pack of really standup guys running Bitlend refuse to answer even the most basic of questions about the Bitlend operation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12457726#msg12457726), I have sifted through the various statements made by the admitted principals- some of which have since been removed or edited, to try to ascertain the complete ownership of this completely legitimate and trustworthy lending institution. Please respond and verify that these people are all involved in Bitlend, and also please indicate any others, including paid and unpaid shills and such.

While you are at it, can you please answer the question about the supposed Dubai business incorporation for Bitlend? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183413.msg12458568#msg12458568) Is it a UAE/Dubai registered business or not? Why on earth are you refusing to answer even the most basic questions about Bitlend? If the UAE/Dubai registration is legitimate and not a flat out lie, then who are the UAE national(s) who have the 51% minimum ownership of Bitlend that is required for that to be legitimate? Your (dis)information campaign started out by stating that you, Jason Sponaugle, and Dick Nelson were the owners, and then you changed that to "Oh gosh it is actually 6 people and myself", and now this. Please explain EXACTLY who is involved in this operation so that potential investors and customers can make an informed decision about whether they should use the Bitlend.io service.
Quite a pickle you are in here Allen. Can you or any of those involved in Bitlend.io please explain why everything about this operation is actually the opposite of what the facts and common sense say it is? PLEASE.

This question goes out to everyone, but the Bitlend Operation Team in particular, of course: Assuming the Dubai registration is valid, and at this time that is a big if, Bitlend appears to be perhaps barely in compliance with various anti-fraud and anti-predatory lending laws of the United States of America and it's constituent States , skirting regulation of some due to operating with Bitcoin instead of USD, and perhaps also by "registering" (maybe) the Bitlend operation in Dubai. To my knowledge ALL of the principals in Bitlend are United States Citizens who currently reside in the United States. If all of Bitlend's acting principals are residing in and performing the functions of this "company" (no proof of actual legal incorporation has been provided yet) within the United States of America, are they then not required to adhere to US laws?

Another thing occurred to me recently, which I am unsure about. Bitlend appears to be operating in a "legal gray area" due to the loans being made in BTC. (What about WY and NY??) However, the ultimate liability of the borrower and protection for the lender rests in collection agencies. These collection agencies will seek remedy not in BTC, but in United States Dollars. If the ultimate liability of these loans rests in USD, does that make Bitlend subject to the financial, anti-fraud, and anti-predatory lending laws (especially CO's APLLs) that they are trying to skirt? This is a very serious question that needs to be addressed. Bitlend? Are you going to answer? Any legal or financial professional's here on BCT care to give their opinion on this?



Expect this list of valid and basic questions about Bitlend to grow and be asked repeatedly until they are answered. If anyone is aware of any information that I have missed or an incorrect conclusion I have made about the above, please post here with any information you have.

I found this post from Allen Shinners, CEO of Everything, on the Get Hashing Forum, where Shinners was one of the first & most outspoken to lower the boom on XPY, then suddenly turned traitor & joined the cast of cast-offs over the summer.

Someone suggested to him that running the lawsuit GAWsuit GITsuit and supporting XPY was a conflict of interest, (ya think?)

Here's what he replied, (@Allen1980s), back in July or August:  https://forum.gethashing.com/t/xpy-paycoin-discussion/1559/4014

TLDR:  No conflict at all!  Nothing to do with GAW!  (Just Joe Mordica. Adam Matlack,
Matthew K Eden, Jason Sponaugle, Richard Nelson, Eric Kraus, Michael J. Koerner & probably Jonah Dorman, maybe Dan Pease.)

After 3800 posts, the thread comes to a dead halt!  Everyone was stunned speechless after that.

LAST COMMENT to Shinners:  "Where are all those XPY apps that you said were coming 'soon,' a month ago?"

Then.... nuthin' but tumbleweeds in the forum......

Such a shame the name "BitLend" has been tarnished by this shit. Would have been a nice domain to host our web interface.

still do not understand, is it scam or not?