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I just noticed a few sites are starting to sell these like the one below.  Just wondering if any bitcointalkers have anything in their hands to review?

TIA

http://www.mybtcpool.com/product/avalon6-3-65ths/ (http://www.mybtcpool.com/product/avalon6-3-65ths/)

From the site "We believe this miner is the most profitable investment on the market."

I wonder how they came to that conclusion given the only other miner on the market today is more efficient and costs less per Th/s.

They have not arrived stateside as of today per BlockC who is the US distributer.

$1650??? too high....  :-\

I think it was like 1300 originally but blockc is now 1500 I believe on buying one.  So if they are selling at that rate that is pretty fair on re seller.

But I have never bought from that site.  So I can't say how good/ or not good it is.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your opinion? Are you getting one as soon as possible or are you waiting for reviews from others, or not even on your radar at the moment?
Seeing you pictures and hearing the description of your farm, you probably have to consider how much you reinvest back in the farm, and when. Obviously the S5+ purchase had to be quick, but as such looks like it has turned out to be a fantastic investment for you. I think that was a right time right place scenario. Regardless of those situations where you must decide quickly, do you mind sharing how and when you are determining to replace more miners, or if you have a set financial amount you reinvest in some fashion?

I think some of these types of things may be items some people won't share, but I also think there are others who will share the way they may handle something without discussing a specific dollar amount. The experience from being involved in something many others, many who are new, look to see what they are doing.

Touching one last time on that topic I think little things like that we can work together somehow and share more details with each other to make a "Plan B" for halving. Way off topic here, but think about a plan b where people who want, people in the community, have plans on how to continue and expand on involvement in mining.

Anyway, hope to hear from you

BlockC was at $1300 originally - which was already quite a bit too high to give a reasonable chance at RoI for folks that don't have VERY VERY cheap electric.

 The current pricing is just crazy.

 IMO wait for the Lketc/BW.com B-Eleven to hopefully ignite some REAL price competition.

I sometimes get sucked in and enjoy jumping in as I enjoy doing reviews.   The S5+ was deferentially one of those.

Unless I get a urge and end up ordering I will chances are wait.  This gives me 2 big things.  One it allows me to see if it underclocks, no one knows how far it will go.  If it has under clock capabilities like 4.1 yes I will want one.  The other thing is they raised the price from 1300 to 1500 to get close to matching  bitmains new S7 price.   So I think even if I sit just a few weeks on BTC the value will raise and I will have to spend less to get it.

But who know's I have purchased miners at last minute before.

If i can see ROI with a miner that can have 0.18J/Ghs eficiency (speculation, don't take care!) i would change all my miners to this one. It can resist the halving, too...  ::)

That is the big thing.  No one know's if it will underclock a little, or like 4.1 and have a pretty  huge under clock.

If they do around what you mention yes that would make them best miner out there.   But we don't know if they can do it or not till they start getting to customers.

I may end up ordering one from the site. Price has a bit of a premium but they do take paypal, so some protection if they never ship me anything.

If I do I will post a review.

Would you be purchasing it mainly for reviewing, or to actually try and turn a profit? If you're looking for a profit, wouldn't purchasing an S7 make more sense? Right now you can purchase a 4.05 TH/s Antminer S7 for 4 BTC (higher hashrate, less cost than the Avalon 6) which would be arriving probably around Christmas time. The site you linked to has no mention of shipping dates. Plus, the S7 is more efficient than the Avalon 6, it seems like an S7 would be a better investment if you're looking to make some money.

I believe what they are wanting is someone to confirm that the New Avalon will underclock in similar with the last model
and if it does would run more efficient than the S7 and quieter.  That's the intent of this thread from what I gather.

Looks like I'll be ordering so I'll have a full clock speed vs power vs hashrate vs efficiency graph.

The newest batch of S7 looks to be it could be undervolted for better efficient power usage.  The A6 needs a controller, worse efficiency and less hash rate...I just don't see how the avalon would be a better choice.  Maybe its a bit quieter...but once you're into this league of miners id think you would have a room dedicated to miners and power hookup.     

wow!!

Will you try the eficience modes? Will try to underclock and use a kill-a-metter?
We need information...

Look at the AVALON 4.1 underclock and you can specule if the AVALON 6 will have the same hability:

Chip Freq   Voltage   Hashrate/Ghs   Power Usage/W
375:300:275   7000   800   419
375:350:300   7500   866   457
420:390:360   7625   980   542
450:390:370   8000   1000   600
500:450:430   8125   1140   710
550:500:450   8250   1250   800
570:510:470   8375   1300   990

The Avalon 4.1 have a very impresive underclock hability...

If I can add to the negatives list:

1) Claimed MOQ of 10 from blockc (but the order screen will accept an order of one).

2) No tolerances on the efficiency

3) Blockc is not just the US distributor but the "global master distributor (ex China).

They've never had problems with tolerances or false claims, doubt It'd start now.


Why does that matter?

On 1 it could be an error.  With stating they will only ship ten there is no guarentee they will ship an order of 1 or if they will do a refund of purchase.

I keep hoping to see the underclock.  I see a picture above anyone got one that had tried any underclocking?   Even a hint of what they can do would be much appreciate.

Only can pay by wire...  :(

One thing I was considering is obviously Avalon know how to build a product and get it to market. Once you have successfully done this on a large scale with a particular product you have the perfect view of your audience. For example, bitmain obviously knows how much they can get away with charging and still sell out of miners every time they put a batch up for sale. This latest batch from bitmain should be priced lower imo and that is why Avalon were high on the 4.1 and will be high priced on the 6. Both companies know they will get it. Delivered to my door for the 4.1 was well more than it should have been, especially considering the price of coin when it hit the street.

As you alluded to, I do make last minute purchases. Fortunately 'fun' is still the biggest concern. But at some point other things will take a priority and people will not continue to gamble. Right now I still see product moving so fast out of bitmain it wouldn't appear they have anything to worry about except making the product consistently good, and most importantly work on their customer service and RMA policies. They have so many pies in the oven they cannot lose. Avalon is easily mining away with data centers, and while not as big as bitmain to the majority of this collective group here on bitcointalk, they are huge in china.

The way they set up this world dealer is interesting. I know we setup another business besides the main business when we began a different product line. That company has the same officers as the "main" one, albeit structured slightly different on paper it is incorporated. This was strictly for liability and tax reasons, it is very common, most businesses do this.

However thinking through what I have been able to find, and reading the history of products and experiences here on the forum, I think they set up global dealership as another pie.
Bitcoin is reaching more people, obviously more first-time miners than ever before. If people think back to their first purchase just finding a website which was legitimate and sold something which was truly current generation may not have been exactly straight-forward.
Everyone make sure they check with avalon to confirm the warranty if they purchase from anywhere except directly from avalon. The bitmain policy is you must go through China for warranty parts. Colorado cannot help. If you purchase a bitmain product anywhere except their official website you must go back to wherever you purchased the miner for warranty support. It doesn't matter what that dealer tells you. They can tell you bitmain is going to warranty everything, but I am telling you from personal experience if you do not get it in writing from the manufacturer directly, you have nothing because bitmain do not care about reputation.
I cannot say if Avalon does, but the way they answer questions, have been on the forum answering questions are good signs.

What I really hope to see is a competition. If the monopolies in bitcoin continue to grow and default in a state of power over the bitcoin economy it will stifle creativity to a halt. It may seem like an odd concept, but when you are cutting the margins and fighting for a sale it takes you out of a comfortable position. As businesses consider the impact they can have on the economy anytime they want to do so. I mean right now, today.
What will that look like in 1 year, 5, 10?
Every action taken today by the manufacturers will resonate in huge waves over the next few years and on, like dropping a stone in a lake. On some small scale that means every purchase we make and every pool we mine on does the same thing.

Lets try to get people involved in a group buy for a batch of Avalons and get the best price we can. Maybe Phil, or Roadstress would host it and we can get a few of something to make a few waves.

They do accept BTC and actually prefer it.  I paid half of my order in BTC and the other half in wire.  I have spoke to them multiple times and also with people that have visited their facility.  I must say that my experience with them has been exceptional. 

any info on when you get the gear?

I will find out tomorrow, i think it arrives to them on or by the 10th so I am hoping I can have it by Friday.

thanks for update on the timeline

For review and just to play with it.

I would do a larger order then just one if its for profit.

I would love to know if these can be undervolted in the future I'd really like a couple of these or s7s to just hash at home for a year or so since I live in NZ and doubt I can resell easily.

I thought these were string, so you'd need <12V PSUs.

Can anyone confirm that they are not as noisy as antminers and more like 4.1?

Hmm yeah I've been reading up on this. I really don't think I understand what I was trying to ask.

I want to know if they can be under-clocked a little to gain greater efficiency later to keep them worth while running for longer? I am unsure what it means to be in string etc...sorry.

At stock they are between an S5 and S7.

the 4.1  was software control under volt & down clock

this is   software control down clock and psu control under volt.

here are two links for psu's that should work:

this should do 1 machine  at 2000gh  and  450- 480 watts at 10 volts

https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/hrp600.pdf

this should be able to do 2 at 2000gh each and 450-480 watts at 10 volts

https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf


NO PROOF NO TESTS NO REAL KNOWLEDGE   BUT one of the designers said 10 volts is possible.

I own the two psu's and I am waiting to get one of these as I have an interest in running them at 10-10.5 volts.

 UnderCLOCK does not improve efficiency to any noticeable degree on ASIC Bitcoin mining gear.

 UnderVOLT can do so, for gear that is capable of running undervolt (some S5s for example) OR has undervolt control/capability built in (SP20 for example).


 "String" designs generally have no capability internal to the unit of undervolting - you have to reduse the supply voltage comming from the external power supply, and some string designs will NOT work at all if you undervolt them enough to matter.

Is that an assumption or you already witnessed the miner hashing? The noise level is the reason I'm actually interested in avalon6.

Has an almost-identical-to-the S5-fan, of which the S7 has 2.

To the electricians out there, I have a question. :)

I have three dedicated 10/3 30amp/240v circuits -> L630R -> Tripwire PDU's -> three S7's on each.

Could I safely add three of these and not hit the 80% sag limit for continuous power use? All of the wires are run in open air and are twenty feet from sub-panel to L630R receptacles.

Naturally, I noticed the tuning capability and immediately got interested since I know I have some room to the 80% recommended cap. Granted, my setup is in a side room of a detached garage in Texas. In summer I will use CFM to keep them cool, but I am curious if buying three of them would fill in the gap to 80% and if so what levels could I safely run them at?

Thanks in advance!


Ufo

so the pdu is at the most 30 amp derate to 24 amp 3 s7's are 15-16 amps  so the pdu has 8 to 9 amps left.

i read this a 3 pdu's  x 3 s7's = 9s7's

each one should be one a 30 amp circuit .

so each pdu has 8 to 9 amps left   1 on each pdu should bring you to  

19-20 amps  ..  that should be under the 24 amp rating.

I think you could do 2 on each pdu which would be right on the line of 24amps.

tiny down clock and you are at 23 amps with each pdu

I fixed my original post, so yes each are dedicated 30amp/240v circuits. Adding one on each would fill in the void and two would be at the limit/line. Adding one on each with the derate and still being within continuous load limits is perfect.

Thank you so much for clarifying my math using an online calculator. While online calculators are nice, having real world input is always the best second opinion. :)



Ufo

One thing I'd like to point out, some of the PDU's out there use ratings for continuous load, and don't need to be subject to the 80% rule.  For example, some of the HP 4-port 40A PDU's I have use 15A breakers for each circuit, and a 50A breaker and wiring/plug for the voltage feed, so it is rated for 40A continuous (though the wiring and receptacle wired for it need to be 50A rated).

But that doesn't really matter in your case since your wiring is rated for the same 30A, just thought I'd point that out for others or future wiring projects.  I agree with everything Phil said, and would imagine you could get 5x S7's on each PDU/circuit without a problem, as you would be at about 25-26A, or maximum 86% load (which may be a little over code, but in my experience as long as ambient isn't too high and wiring isn't buried in a wall, you should be fine).  As always, monitor the temperature as you add load and if you feel like the wiring or PDU are getting too warm, take some load off the circuit.

Thanks for the clarification!

It looks like I need to wait and see. I'm going to be in Toronto and then New York in December was hoping to source some decent hash to take back with me to New Zealand where I will have absolutely nothing available.

I know a lot of people do this for money but for me it's a hobby and a way to legitimately back BTC into the future so if I break even someday I'll be stoked enough! So Avalons seem like more fun with an RPI controller and being able to use minera.

Should I buy a PDU as well when I'm up there? Is there anything else that I would need?

So is this the miner that's causing the difficulty to peak at 9% all of a sudden? When were these delivered?

http://zoomhash.com/collections/bitcoin-asics/products/avalon-6-3-65-ths-shipping-from-stock-in-us

I don't see how that is better then the S 7, even cost more !!!  

I have bought a Few things from Zoomhash in the past they don't ripe you off . if they do, i guess I've just been lucky.

cya

I don't care about zoomhash but speaking of the avalon
s7: 0.2830j/gh efficiency
a6: 0.29j/gh nearly the same
s7: 0.3876$/gh
a6: 0.3972$/gh also nearly the same
im also assuming avalon would be much quieter

let us not forget there also is the zoomhash's profit in the equation. i wonder if we can still buy directly from canaan, then it will be much cheaper i guess
not to mention that it is impossible to have worst customer care than bitmain

if they allow for a 10-13 volt psu like this  https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf  which would run two on an undervolt and freq down clock

they have real value .  I am waiting for kilo17 to contact me today as his are due to him today.

I will get 2-3 from him and do a long down- clock under-volt review.

If you run them at 10 volts  using 450 watts and get 2000gh   they have a real value increase.  we are going to know soon enough. If I have to I will get one from zoomhash.

 



let us know : ). glad i asked !!!.

Ive never had any issue buying from zoomhash actually had more issue with bitmain in the last few months then anyone , but not to say it won't happen, it more then likely will if i buy more and more from them .

both bitmaintech and zoomhash have been pretty good to me and sp-tech was pretty good to me.

avalon was also pretty good to me.

If any of the above 4 would make me a decent offer for gear I would not fear them.

Looks like someone has their hands on some:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-6-BRAND-NEW-BTC-Bitcoin-Miner-3-65-TH-s-FULL-WARRANTY-not-bitmain-s7-/262147269727?hash=item3d0931e45f:g:KoAAAOSwYHxWLu8i

Isnt the black one the porotype picture?  I was thinking silver was production model.  I am impressed looking at block C the warranty does transfer it sounds like.

Warranty Registration and Transferability:

If still within the Warranty Period, Avalon Manufacturer’s Warranty will transfer to the buyer, upon equipment resale provided that the buyer contacts Avalon or BlockC.co to register as the new equipment owner.

In order to receive Manufacturer’s Warranty coverage, you must notify Reseller with your contact information, the equipment you are operating, and a description of your operating environment.


Bitmain warranty buying from ebay or other places you do not get a transferred warranty.

I pulled the trigger and ordered one - I want to make a bigger bulk purchase of either these or S7's, so I'd like to see one hands on and get a feel for it before doing it.  Assuming it is as they say, and they have it in hand and ship 2nd day, I should get it Thursday or Friday... It's worth paying the premium for me to check it out first, so I'll post my thoughts once I get it - but Kilo17 will get his first so we'll probably hear from him sooner.

As of today they run on the older pi. Kilo17 told me this via pm.

The old PI really is not horrible.  I run a old PI on my 3 4.1's and never had an issue.  It's not a big hungry program with the OpenWrt being used on it and modified to do the controlling. 

I just want to see the down clocking.  I really hope they will shine here.  This is the most important thing with difficulty rising like it has.

If i run two or three of these from home will I need a PDU? Or is a decent surge board enough?

What is your voltage?

If you are 220-240

A pdu will run 3 maybe 4 on 1 circuit.




If you are 110-120 volt 1 unit per circuit means no need for a pdu

If anyone was interested in picking one or two up we have them for sale. We have a post for them in the Marketplace under Goods/Computer Hardware.

Avalon 6 arrived in Russia from Cina
https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/3867-allrossiia-prodaiu-antminer-s7-405ths-batch-6-125tr-i-v-nalichii-scrypt-terminato/
https://forum.bits.media/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-13883-0-98471900-1447648894.jpg
https://forum.bits.media/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-13883-0-85405700-1447648723.jpg

 Factory producer.
From China to Russia 70 kilometers. we buy in the US and take over the ocean?
In the US, only the dealer and the factory in China

 We got only one SFARDS. It was sold to us.
Sometimes less gives hesh on sha256, to do ON / OFF

Electricity is supplied throughout New Zealand at 230/240 volts (50 hertz), although most hotels and motels provide 110 volt AC sockets (rated at 20 watts) for electric razors only. For all other equipment, an adapter/converter is necessary, unless the item has a multi-voltage option.

I'll be at home so should I use a PDU? Can you point me towards some acceptable ones for a home miner please?

Or better yet tell me what I need to consider when powering my miners etc. At most I will have like three of these some day but start with one most likely!

not sure how it work there :

here is a few for 220 30 amp plugs ,I'm  guessing your rated at 30 amps ? . 50 hertz doesn't mean to much it maters some  , most stuff now a days runs at 50 to 60 hertz :) 110 220 etc . in this case you want to look at amps 30 40 50  and plugs to match . if want to use  40 amp or 50 amps you need a plug and wire to match. I'm told for the plug you can wire in a 30 amp plug on a 40 or 50 amp breaker but from what i was told it will only give you 30 amps of use . amps determines how much you can plug into that line.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-AP9566-Rack-PDU-Basic-1U-16A-208V-Surge-Protector-Mounting-Capabilities-/271994707793?hash=item3f5425df51:g:fncAAOSwiLdWAqMK

I use one of these :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AP7841-APC-Metered-Rack-PDU-30A-200-208V-20-C13-4-C19-/121806576709?hash=item1c5c3cdc45:g:b4EAAOSwk5FUttA9

on this PDU.  I had 9 miners run in 24/7 with no issue the highest i pushed between both banks was 16 amps total for the whole PDU.

using this plug to plug into the wall ;) .

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NAT9?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
 
if it helps any .

full page just to give some idea of what to look for :)


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_BIN=1&LH_FS=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&Brand=APC&Voltage%2520Compatibility=208V&_nkw=pdu&LH_PrefLoc=1&_dcat=86723&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3000&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

I have 2 on order at Zoomhash and I'm waiting for them to ship!  They are saying this week.

After my talks with them, it appears that immediate shipping is the only advantage of this hardware over the S7.  I would hope they ship immediately, otherwise, why would someone buy one of these?

one designer of the gear stated they can be undervolted.  

so until this is proven one way or the other it makes it have a possible extra value.

and a rasp pi backup is under 50 bucks  which makes possible down time due to controller less likely then the s-7.



some good news is kilo17 's gear is enroute which means I will be getting one sent to me soon.

And I will do the long review with undervolt in mind.

Great.  If it can get under 0.2w/gh I may still consider grabbing one.

For me it was that they were shipping this week, and the power requirements.

Im still curious about the noise levels.

Can't be any worse than my S5's were!!

will it need a rasp pi why not a banana pi or cubieboard which might run it better , if it has code on https://github.com/ you can  polly use this http://www.armbian.com/ with the code off https://github.com and run it that way , I'm guessing and use one these http://www.armbian.com/download/  just wondering .  i'm willign to bet it will work on a Rasp pi 2 , im very tamped to buy one but not going to .just sold all most all my miner got close 2100 for them all but IM gonna chill for now and learn and watch .

Does anyone know if the Avalon products will work with Minera?

The sticks do as long as CG Or BFG has support they will  :L) . just up todate CG or BFG to the main miner or use the custom folder or get Avalon version of CGminer and import into minera,  sense that's what it says it's using, it should work.but you may not have some setting in minera you Polly will with there image and have to use a lot command line stuff in minera image for those setting .

Cool I have plenty of Pi's, do they come with software?  Do you have to DL an image?  Always had Antminers, 1st time with an Avalon.

one off zoomhash doesn't come with a pi but I'm  sure they will provide a link for the image which is usually free :) .

    CONTROLLER (NOT INCLUDED):

    Raspberry Pi, Version B or B+ (RPi 2 is not yet supported)

    Each RPi can control 50+ miners

    (We can sell RPi kits for $75)
    COMMUNICATION INTERFACE:

    IIC/I2C
    WORKING ENVIRONMENT:

    0C to 35C, 10% to 80% relative humidity, non-condensing
    TRANSPORT / STORAGE ENVIRONMENT:

    -15C to 40C, 10% to 90% relative humidity
    DIMENSIONS:

    354mm x 130mm x 150mm
    WEIGHT:

    4.3kg
    PERFORMANCE VARIANCE:

     ± 5% variance possible on quoted performance statistics

only reason why they say this RPi 2 is not yet supported there image is a old one and it won't support PI 2 but the way around that is update the image in a PI below 2 then pop it in a PI2, it should boot up unless there is no drivers at all for the PI 2 or they won't let you up date the image yet why i also asked if they won't all you need then is a way to down there program and then build it from it there . well see.That's how got the ZOOMhash image for Zeusminer working on my PI2 :) .
banana pi  and cubieboard i built it on a armbian image sense they gave us the https://github.com/  link to it with a way to build it :) .

kind why i was asking will it work on anything else besides PI i wiling to bet it will .

That's what I was thinking, just wasn't sure.

Here you go the  A6  image for the controller . http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/


gonna be use able on a Openwrt router as well nice no pi will be needed in that case well see how that works out .

Thanks!!!

wow buy it any place else but off there site a big 3.3 k from them direct lol


https://ehash.com/product/avalon6-v6-0/

This might the fan it uses ?


http://www.nmbtc.com/fans/part-numbers/DC-Axial-Fans/12038RB-A1L-EL-01/28658

That would indeed be perfect. Only 42 dB. 8)

Its a 4K rpm fan as I already said, about the same as an S7 in 30+ ambients and quieter in lower.

My Avalon6's arrive tomorrow - I hope I can get some info to share with the community

Good I will take one for myself. Do the long review with multiple psu's. And help you in any way I can.

Mine shipped from ZoomHash today.

does your tracking number show it was picked up, or just a label created?

Order processed waiting for pickup

Ordered an A6 from ZH with useful info/pictures from this site: http://asicminer-shop.de/Avalon-6-35-TH-s (they posted before blockc)

1) Financial: There was about a net +$230 in favor of the A6 vs the S7. Part of the $230 pays for a new RPi setup from Spark Fun.

2) Engineering: From the pictures on the .de website, the thermal engineering looks better, one fan instead of two. The cooling fins are mechanically constrained to the hash board as opposed to using a thermally conductive glue bond. I think the glued fin approach in the S7 most likely forces the use of two fans at working at higher speeds. This is because of the worse thermal transfer characteristics of the glue bond versus a purely thermal conductive paste. The glued fin approach is a reliability concern.

The websites claim 80 chips for the A6, but from the pictures it looks like 9 chips x 8 rows = 72. 72 chips is also consistent with the hash rate, 3,500/72 = 50 Gh/s. Less chips means a lower supporting component count. This means higher reliability.

The other nice touch is the huge power supply bypass capacitor for each chip, mounted as close to the chip as possible.

What the engineering points to is the effort to engineer a good product without cutting corners.

ahhh...the good old ebay trick. mine shows the same.

Yep, I'm really hoping they go out by the end of the week!!

Yippee

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/IMG_8673.jpg

yes pm sent to kilo

@ all I will get

two

then

three

 total five.


I will test the two an hope that a good long review shows us

1) they work
2) they work to spec
3) they work on the older rasp pi's at least two to a  rasp pi
4) this psu  https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf  allows me to run two at downclock  undervolt
5) this psu https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/hrp600.pdf  allow me to run one at downclock undervolt


If all is good I will sell off 4 of them and keep one.

Then in 10 days or so rinse and repeat.
 
Anyone sending coins to me the gear will ship the next day.
the gear will be in stock.

Damn!!!

Those sure are some pretty boxes!  ;D

  25 x  3.5th =  87.5th

Awesome! Can't wait for the results. How long does a long review go for?

Where are you based and how much are you on selling for?

new jersey.

long review would show two-three days of running with different speeds different pools different psu's

db sound .

kilo17 has five to offload.  i will not mark up price but he is the one to determine prices.

he is in center of usa tennesse .

he wants twenty for his mine and me to help him sell off five.

Looks like they include a Pi with the orders now so that's gotta be good for another $30.

It says that one Pi can control 50 A6.  Anybody know what kind of cable it uses to connect?  It looks like from the back of the miner it's some kind of 3 pin cable and they have two ports so I guess you just daisy chain the A6s together.  I'm wondering how long of a cable they provide for you.

My Zoomhash order shipped too and it shows "The shipment has been dropped off and is now at The UPS Store"

Yours and mine are on the same truck!!

out of curiosity what does your shipping weight say? mine says 5 packages but 13 lbs.

For my European fellow miners:

We will get them in stock soon (Scheduled Delivery: Tuesday, 24.11.2015, By End of Day)
You can pay with PayPal, SEPA, Bitcoin, shipping from Germany.
Or you are welcome to pick them up personally.

VAT free delivery is possible if you are VAT registered.

http://asicminer-shop.de/Avalon-6-35-TH-s_1

Mine is 2 packages 13 pounds.

hmmm.....more issues for me i reckon.

1 package 13 lbs, which sounds about right for a single miner (S7 was ~14 lbs)

Maybe it's 13 pound per package.

that makes more sense.

I have a tracking number from fedex 25 lbs and some change  from kilo17 state of Tennessee .

I am assuming it is the first 2 of 5 as planned.

So I hope to start review thread asap.

but here is some psu porn for undervolting..



I have to get on my imgur account to post photos.


http://imgur.com/a/ZQ0PR

S7 was 8.8lbs packaged, wasn't it?

has 10 pcie jaacks can do 1500 watts 10 volts to 13 volts is 87% eff


https://i.imgur.com/kQQcoKy.jpg


6x  10 gauge to some buss bars to the pcie wires

https://i.imgur.com/QSlSx0A.jpg

Looking forward to seeing some numbers on this.

well for me if I get to run at 10 volts say 780 -900 watts   and 4th for the 2   which is in the .195 to .225 watts per gh

they will have good efficiency and  I can run them a year or more.

if they don't under volt well we will all know a truer value for them.

ie run until April or may and off load  vs run

 until dec of 2016.

looking forward to this.

My mistake, 14 was for an SP20. Avalon seems to be somewhere close to that.

So i have a row of 7 running off of EVGA 1300w PSU's and by the software they are drawing 11.7-12v and are only running at about 3 Th.  I have another row of 5 running on server PSU's and the software shows them at 12.6v and running at 4 Th.

Pool side it shows the same thing.  7 running at 21 Th or 5 running at 20 Th -- gonna break out the rest of my server PSU's  ;) 

Philipma- Avalon6's have been shipped to you and I will PM your tracking info

shows some promise for under clock based on those numbers

I set the fans at 100%, the "smart fan" isn't very smart yet and when it adjusts it affects the speed drastically....

Make sure your controller is running the latest software and update your MM to the latest version. And that should fix your problems.

http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon6/openwrt/latest/

http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/software/avalon6/mm/latest/

Not sure about MM but I know the firmware is dated 11/11 - But I will definitely get that taken care of.  Thank you

No problem, also check your pools hashrate, a client reported the hashrate on the pool was higher than displayed on the ui.

MM version shown on CGMiner status 601511-e3d244c0

HR is the same on the pool side

I downloaded both the mm.bit and the mm.mcs files.  The mm.mcs file downloaded as a text file  ???

Right click, save link as; and it should let you save it as an mcs file. The file you need to upload is the mcs one only, once uploaded to the pi it will distribute it to the miners.

Tried that-- I am on a Mac so I will switch over to a PC and give it a go

Pretty sure I'll be getting my units from oregonmines as they are local and their communication is spot on.  Hopefully I'll be able to grab them this weekend

Sounds great.

Kilo it can also take 3 or more hours for them to get up to speed.

I got the updates done on 1 set but it bricked the other 5.  I have tried everything to get them going and no luck.  Going to try rolling back the mm to the previous version.

Rolling it back unbricked them-- not sure what the problem is...going to update again and see if it repeats.

very much agree wich

Interesting set of numbers and very nice that the input voltage is monitored, great feature.

There is some variance in units with the same voltage but if we plot a simple graph.

http://www.slotforum.com/forums/uploads/1447861465/gallery_2150_2322_4220.jpg


There is quite a nice line you could draw.  :)  Overclocking at 12.6V seems to giving a nice 4GH/s, is there any chance you can wind the volts down and confirm what happens at the lower voltages?  :) Also it would be great to have a set of Power at the Wall numbers to go with these?

Rich

Sweet this might work out perfectly then!

I'm coming up that way from New Zealand for Dec so keen to see if we can work it out. Would love to just carry on one of these back home haha.

on the server psu's, what is the rated wattage and what input voltage are you running them at?

Got mine today, and was able to play with it.  So far very good miner.  I still have some testing to do over time.

But my review with some good pictures of the unit and setup is up now to give people a little better idea about the miner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1257327

Keep the fan speeds low, right now the higher they are set the lower the hashrate is. Also the voltage readings on the ui seem to be wrong.

I think that is a partially true statement.  These machines are EXTREMELY voltage sensitive so far in my experience.  I have posted some of the info previously.  If the PSU hits below 12 volts the hash rate drops dramatically.  Also, little things like using the double PCIe cables drops the hash rate on the machines.  I switched from using all double PCIe to singles on all of the EVGA PSU's and the hash rate went up by 200 Gh on each machine.  Also, the ones reading 12.6 v are still running at close to 4 Th.  Those machines I have hooked up to 2 750w server PSU's.  

Look at the picture below at the 6th machine- with double PCIe it runs at about 3Th and with 4 single PCIe it runs at 3.3 Th (second from the bottom)- could be the slight voltage change as well

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-21%20at%2012.30.46%20AM.png

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-21%20at%2012.38.31%20AM.png

For the sake of completeness, here are the 5 that are running on 750w server PSU's - 24 hours and going.  The Hash rate is the same pool side -

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-21%20at%2012.51.50%20AM.png

Very interesting for sure.  Thanks for sharing all the information.   How many watt's are the miners using that are getting the high speeds with the 750 watt PSU's?

here are my current settings using the 20% stock fan setting:

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-21%20at%201.06.41%20AM.png


http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-21%20at%201.06.52%20AM.png

Tomorrow my electrician arrives to switch me to 240 and then I can switch all of them to my server PSU's (and hook up the rest of the miners  ;D)

I am actually using 3 750w PSU's to power 2 miners. 

Have you been able to measure the amount of watts being used at the higher speeds?  That is quite a good OC from them.  

I'm curious how many watt's it's using to get that higher speed.  If you have a kill-a-watt or something like it you can measure it pretty easy.

I need to order another - mine went down for the count

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/docpromos/down.jpg

Anyone know what the "EC" is in the far right hand corner column?  Thanks

I've lost 2 of this exact same model of kill-a-watt over a six month period. I'll never buy another one, now I just measure the amps on a PDU and estimate the watts. These things seem like they are made really cheap and it makes me question how accurate they are. Has anyone found another brand to compare these to concerning the wattage readout?

wait for a link I have another company


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E945SJG?keywords=watt%20meter&qid=1448125838&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2


it read 2-3% higher then my kwatt meters.

don't run them with over 1200 watts for days on end . As all of these cheap ones die  if you do that.

https://i.imgur.com/YxU307D.jpg


Just picked mine up from oregonmines!  Matt drive over an hour to meet me halfway and seemed like a real cool guy.  The fact that these have direct factory warranty, oregonmines is local, and he was willing to drive out and meet me were big deciding factors

I got one on Friday and have been playing with it over the weekend - really love the workmanship on it, it's built like a tank.  I've been keeping things super hot in the room where it's mining just to see how it deals with the temps, and it's surprising tolerant - although the can control still needs some work, unless 74c is the ideal temp.  ;) 

Here it is happily sitting in my mega-rack - the rest of it's brothers will be on Monday and my S5 Mega Rack will transform into a Avalon Mega Rack.  :)

http://www.analogx.com/images/Avalon6/DSCF3393s.jpg

the avalon 6 boards are like prisma boards :)

I would not go with this.  The Avalon 6 has temp control and is not out there burning up boards.   

So to copare it to a prisma.... is not really that accurate in my eyes.

Cant wait to see your Avalon Mega Rack!  ;D

and what does this mean?

please explain.


every aisc mining board is like a prisma board in one way they all use asic chips.

is this what you mean?

or do you mean avalon 6 boards will run hot and burst into flames?

Interesting to see Avalon still making units and now making along the same size of ant miners. Shame both cant get a good price and also a good watt usage out them If power could be reduced on them and a good price to buy then I would also buy. Maybe when Bitmain or avalon release something that is as powerful and half the power use then id be interested.

Compare to previous generations.  Your already getting a lot more power for your electricity use.   Just look at efficiency of Avalon 6 and S7 compared to previous generations.

Most that say they are going want something more power less electricity... just repeat that and never buy a miner.   Honestly this is the current gen, just like S7.  Your getting more for your electricity already.

what ? are you mining a secret generation we don't know about ? end game. A6 = the box of this generation. if you think your price on A6 is off, contact someone at oregonmines.com. We like the S7, we love the A6.

Bought one!!  ;D

i got one that the fan runs way more than the others. any ideas?

dont know how to insert an image, but they are:

Fan(RPM)
2400
3570
2010
2400
2490

How much do they sell them for?

Also, I cant remember avalon6 thread I read this in, someone was requesting if someone would be able to turn off "smartspeed" and ssh login would probably be required. I offer up my services if whoever asked for that sees this post =)
I dont have an avalon6 but if ur willing to let me login remotely over ssh to one, I could figure out how things work =)

If your wanting to play with the firmware all you need is likely a RPI B or B+ .  You can flash it with the image from BlockC I put in my review - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1257327.0 .

But that should be all you need to ply round with firmware.  Will not be as fun with no miner on other side but should still allow you to modify it.

It was philip.

Yeah but w/o a miner, there is no testing or confirming.... its kinda pointless ...

what are you guys paying for these units ?  I'm tempted to buy 2-3 from Zoomhash to help warm my house 

if you can get near 4GH on 1200 watts thats pretty nice.   I like the workmanship and 4 PCI settup far better than the s7

I bought one from Zoom but I think they increased their prices. I paid $1500 including shipping.

Edit: they added a Raspberry Pi option, otherwise the price seems to be the same $1450 + shipping.

Zoom supposedly has a coupon for $100 off I heard

I am finding out with the one unit I have, that one side of the case (the bottom?) is much warmer than the other 3 sides.

You might wan to consider placing the miner on one "side" or the other, to expose the "warmest side" to more air circulation. You might also want to just invert it so that the "warm bottom" becomes the "top".

Yeah, I noticed the same thing and ask BlockC about it - they said it's because of how the boards and heat sink are arranged inside the enclosure.  The heatsinks basically are in contact with the bottom, as are some side supports, but the top area is open (it's where the secondary controller is), so it's just air up there.  A temperature pattern like that is expected for the device.

Gotta love the fact that they're responsive and knew the answer immediately.  Even though my dealings have been limited with them so far, I've found them to be exceptional.

I think they are charging $1450 same as zoomhash.  not sure if zoomhash units come from blockC, but oregonmines do.. tons of blockC stickers and serial numbers all over the place.. so you know the warranty is legit from oregonmines/blockC

the guys at Oregonmines told me they bought out 1/3 of blockC's initial batch

Actually it's a more subtle decision than that.

 I have wooden shelves, so the hot surface is facing up. This takes advantage of convective and radiative cooling. If I had metal shelving, I would have laid it on metal shelf to see if the added thermal conduction is an improvement.

in Russia

https://forum.bits.media/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-3919-0-92322800-1448681804.jpg

My zoomhash unit didn't have any blockC stickers, it apparently came from either ehash or the manufacturer. That means no US warranty :(, I would rather have one with blockC warranty. It was also missing a cable that connects the miner to RPi, fortunately, Tom at oregonminers was kind enough to mail me a couple free of charge (wasn't able to contact anyone at zoomhash today).

This isn't entirely true - I did a bulk purchase of miners directly from BlockC, and they came without stickers.  It just means they were from the firs 500 or so machines they received I think.  Any of the later ones now include the stickers - and I actually have one I bought on eBay that does.

BTW, I have them all in my mega plenum - running like a champ!  :)

http://www.analogx.com/images/Avalon6/DSCF3434s.jpg

Good to hear, as long as blockC addresses if anything were to happen to the miner, since I can't run it until I get the connector. BTW, what type of fan and connector are you using for PSUs? Very nice and clean setup!

I am about to order 50 units. I am leaning towards Avalon as it appears they handle ambient heat better then the Bitmain units.  Still deciding but that is what I am leaning towards as of now.

I'm still tweaking the design, but I think I've finally come up with a good near-silent mod for the IBM 2880W PSU's... I ran out of the controllers, but it has a temperature controlled PWM fan module which I'm splitting between the two units until my new ones arrive.   The fan itself is this one:

http://amzn.to/1Nhfh94

Which I quite like so far... It's a server class fan comparable to Delta or any of the other reputable manufacturer.  Because of the density of the components inside the PSU, I opted for a much higher static pressure fan than Kaze which I normally prefer.


I was in the same boat although I bought a bit more than that - and I'm glad I went with the Avalon's.  I did some ambient temperature test with the first one I had, and ran in in temps up to about 125f.  It works fine until about 105-110f, then it drops down to probably 1/2 hash rate, then at about 115-120f it stops hashing altogether.  It keeps running the fan and keeps everything as cool as it can, and didn't suffer any ill effects from the testing.  My only real complaint is that once the temperature starts dropping, it doesn't automatically resume - but that's something that could easily be fixed in the hardware.

I also love the turnaround time BlockC gave me - I got the invoice on Wens, wired the money on Thurs, they sent the units on Fri, and I was setting up miners on Monday.  All this while I'm still waiting on 14+ S7's I've ordered from Bitmain over a month ago...

Sorry for reviving a dead thread but i want to know about how much avalon 6 will mine for a day and it's current cost's for 2 month's.

If anyone can suggest me a new topic place where you guys discuss about avalon 6 i would be really happy to ask my doubt's there.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator

You can pretty much calculate this with that website.

Pool fees are most of the time 1% (I suggest Kano.Is)


Here's the spec

Avalon6 Specification
Hash rate   　3.65T±10%
Power at wall   1100W（power efficiency 90%）。
Quantity of chip  80
Power connector  4x 6PIN，you need to connect all 4 connectors when running
Cooling fan  12038, current min: 1.6A ,Max:2.8A
Max speed: 3800RPM
Temperature  Max Temperature of intake :38℃
Controller  Raspberry PI（version 1，B，B+），。
Each Raspberry PI can control 60 units
AUC  max 6 units can be connected in series with each AUC
Protection  The machine will not start when the fan is damaged 。
Dimension  136×150×334mm
Weight  4.8kg
INGRESS PROTECTION  IP20
Power supply  1200W 80 plus gold power supply recommended
Voltage  min:11.7V   max: 12.2V


Or just send me a PM with your question.

I run 5 of them at home.