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Christian exercise the right to hate speech in USA.

People who hate hate speech are those who hate freedom of speech. They want to destroy America.

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This is a mistake, to thinking, thay i hate "hate speech".
I collect it, who have more examples of "christian hate speech" - i need them here.

practicing ones own culture and religion in ones own country is only hateful when white people or christians do it. if the minorities don't like it they can leave. if i went to saudi arabia i wouldn't expect to find whiskey and pork in the stores.

The thing that is deemed to be Christian hate speech, is often simply a Christian telling other people that their religion is wrong, and that they will go to Hell if they don't believe in Jesus Christ.

Adversaries of so-called Christian hate speech not only are trying to do away with freedom of speech, they are also trying to get more people to go to Hell.

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This is only for Your low knowleage of Sharia law.

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And in Saudi Arabia the things are not bad. Foreign delegates, diplomats and foreign embassies have exemption under this subject. They can set quota to import alcoholic drinks (Liquor) for their personal use.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pwqNUGtftCk/VBeRe6XFU1I/AAAAAAAAdQk/nAMYcsFF1I8/s1600/alcoh.JPG

As i remember, for "non muslim" foreigners are sold some "licences" to buy alcohol drinks.

But, You can be easily have problems with drinking clean water (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/07/09/Saudi-to-expel-foreigners-disrespecting-Ramadan-.html) or other beverage in wrong time and wrong place.

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In that bakery are registered phrases whith a killing promise as sequence of that wideo, due to over 1000000 followers of this prominent christian freedom of hate speech lover.

You can't be a real christian if you hate. Hate belongs to atheism and other Devil's cults.

This sound enthusiastic.
Might i see this Devil's cults list on letter "F"?

Christians don't hate people. Free speech is not equal to hate speech. There is supposed to be freedom of religion in the country.

If you find someone who says they are Christian and hates someone, they are not a Christian. (this is based on the bible's definition)

1 John 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

I'm no expert so I ask: who is this brother? Is this a Christian or any other human being? I don't see it following from this biblequote so maybe there's another that explains to love everyone, not just brothers. Or is it implied we are all brothers (and sisters)?

If you are real human then you will never hate any one its humans nature we have just few groups or peoples which are doing these hates things and they are creating problems for all religious and common peoples

You can certainly hide Your ass, telling "Not in My name" or "This is against Bible text".

We has just a time of great brother lovers.

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Yes, we (men and women on earth) are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Our God is our Father in Heaven, so we are all family.

''Normally'' religions followers that believe in God (Jews, Christians, Muslims) shouldn't kill or hate others even the non-religious one and they are asked to live together in peace.
Now back to the real life, many politicians in the history claimed that they only want peace but in fact their soldiers are killing civilians more than militias...
War=selling weapons=money=get weak govs under your control...etc, war isn't easy to obtain thus they need to make one group hate the other. Exp: Ukraine far right - prorussian...etc
Back to the religious people, you will find a group who strictly follow the orders, others care less, others are going too far until I personally no longer considering them as christians, jews, muslims until they stop committing crimes and return to the right road.

Ohh .. "liars in Christ" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZwQq8lN-a4

I don't hate anyone, and I am not lying. The bible clearly says Christians will not hate anyone. We are to love everyone, and treat everyone as we would want to be treated.

But you seem to hate Christians by generalizing them as being liars. I thought you were against hate groups, are you a hypocrite?

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I need more evidence in this fact an i will collect examples.

You will tell me, that You hate not CIA created "Al Qaeda & ISIS"?
(And if they comes to have this proportion, is only by God's will?)

I do not hate any one person on this earth. They may be sinful, and do sinful things, like kill one another, but it is the sin that Christians are to detest. I hate murder, I hate when harm is done to one another. But the people doing it are misled, they are ignorant. They are in need of prayers, not hate. Hate does nothing for anyone. If you hate someone, you're hurting yourself, not them.

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." - Buddha.

Obviously Christians are taught to forgive through Jesus, when the Lord's Prayer saying, "forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us." (sins = debts in the following verse)

Matthew 6:12 (http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

We are to pray the Lord's Prayer daily, which reminds us to forgive others daily. If we do not forgive others, we are not forgiven.

If you find examples of "Christians" hating someone, then those people are not practicing Christianity. Your study is flawed. You're only finding fake Christians (wolves in sheep's clothing). It proves nothing about how Christians are supposed to act. I've told you the truth. Christians are not to hate, if they hate anyone, they know not our Father in Heaven, if they forgive not, they are not forgiven, and are not practicing Christianity.

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a christian with love message to brothers in pedophilia church (https://www.google.com/search?hl=it&gl=it&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=pedophilia%2C+usa%2C+chardjed&oq=pedophilia%2C+usa%2C+chardjed&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.3761.27090.0.29816.27.4.1.22.23.0.575.1318.2-3j5-1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.cpNeNko3VPg#hl=it&gl=it&authuser=0&tbm=nws&q=curch%2C+pedophilia%2C+usa%2C+charged) to to Fight Same-Sex Marriage Ruling With Guns

Read my post above. He's not Christian if he's threatening anyone.

Edit: It's no longer above, since we're on the next page:

All of us are family? Jesus, from Matthew 13:38,39:
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It should be HUMANS hate other HUMANS.

Yes, we're all family, and Jesus came to save us all. Some work for the devil and some work for God, just like one brother can disown their family but not get rid of his genes. We all came from Eve and our Father who is in Heaven, knitted us together in the womb.

"violent countermeasures might be necessary to fight terrorism"
Dalai Lama

Are You serious to wrote me, that the Earth was created some 6000 years ago?

Well, that seems contrary to what Jesus said in my quote, above. We might be equally saved for this life, but unbelievers are not part of our family until they convert, and won't be saved eternally if they don't convert.

In the time shortly after the fall into sin, God came walking in the Garden of Eden and made the statement of separation - Genesis 3:15. Ever since then those of Satan are of a different spiritual family than those of God. Jesus maintains the physical family for us, so that there is chance for many to be adopted into the family of God. But they aren't in God's family until they convert.

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And in the same example, one brother decides to work for the devil, one brother decides to work for God. One gets killed for working on a dangerous job site, the other one gets to live forever. Doesn't make them any less family.

Edit: I think we're discussing 2 different things. I'm talking physical family, not spiritual family.


Are you seriously mocking a religion when you're trying to get rid of hate groups? (hypocrite)

What they does http://www.goarmy.com/chaplain.html ??
Seen to pray with people who kill innocent Iraqi and Lybians and put there salafi zombes.
What is this shitty Religion, used by Pentagon?

(Is there in US Army some "Falungong" Masters for "Freedom Fighters"?)

I told you, sinners are ignorant. If they knew what they were doing (and the consequences), they wouldn't be doing it. Our Father in heaven doesn't want anyone to die, that's why He sent His son to die for us, to be the perfect sacrifice. Jesus loved us so much He died for us. Our Father wants everyone to live forever with Him.

Evil forces, Satan (meaning the adversary), don't want people to live forever. They want us tortured, killed, destroyed before being saved. Anything going on that involves the murder of innocent blood, is not from our Father in Heaven, but is from Satan.

Why would an atheist hate? We could care less what religious people believe. It's not like we're looking for converts to "save".
But, of course, Christians are supposed to be pacifists.  

The USA is a big country, among all the Christians there of course not everyone is going to be sane or moderate. There are groups like the Westboro baptist Church that promote radicalism but aren't exactly pro violence. You see, the good thing with modern day Christianity is that it's no longer violent. Unlike Islam, I don't think there's any branch of Christianity that is preaching for acts like honor killings, amputations stoning and the likes. See the difference?

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While I agree with you that Christians are overwhelmingly peace loving and are appalled by violence, they are still people, and somebody always has to ruin it for everyone. Groups like The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA), Antibalaka, The Army of God, and others carry out horrendous acts in the name of Christ. They murder, torture children, amputate limbs, stone people to death. The same stuff you see from DAESH.
We live in a time when anyone is free to make up their own Jesus or Mohamed. When one can interpret religious books with whatever bias they want. Christians, Jews, Muslims pick and chose the rules they want to obey. For example a lot is made of how Muslim women cover their heads. Well, Christian women are supposed to also cover up and if they see a women uncovered they are supposed to grab her and shave her head or force her to cover.  Christians are NEVER to eat shrimp or crab, or oysters, etc. But who obeys these laws? well, ok. The Amish and a few others do.

There is no real christians my friend, bring me just one guy who deserves it and i will recognize it.

Did you read the bible? did you see how christians live? they are everyday doing something against his religion lol...

Please dont be wrong with me, im not saying that they are bad people at all ;)

Yes, undeniably there have been and there are Christians that do violent things in the name of Christianity. The difference is in the numbers though, as the image I posted indicates the percentage of Muslims that stand behind violence is significant in the modern world. The sad thing is that the violence described in the holy books of Islam has become part of cultures and legislations today. If you were to look up stuff like stoning, amputations and outlawing homosexuality you'd see that it's almost exclusively predominantly Muslim countries and societies that allow such things.

Have You never heard about forced conversion to christian church in Russian Empire? And epic apartheid rules based on "be christian" or not?

I think your right. At this time in history it has become much more of a phenomena in Islam than Christianity.

People are sometimes ugly to each other. There are numerous examples throughout history of rational people acting hideously because someone told them "God said it was ok". It's very easy to see what is really going on when you don't believe in a god.  It's all just people being people.

You need have in mind, that "salafi" is a "mindcontrol organization" and is in direct contrary with Quran. If You will more about this argument - contact Mr. Kadyrov, he will help You with religious autorities.
And forces who fight this mindcontrol organisation ISIS are muslims and other groups of OK people.

For "salafi" the popolation of Iran and some other "muslim" countries are 100% "non muslims", You can see it - there is no terrorism, no opium production, no explosions.
About that someone is angry in US, Iran is under embargo, and Afghanistan is not.

In its Spring 2005 “Intelligence Report,” the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mlVaPPboAWkJ:pioneerbailbonds.com/salt-lake-city-arrest-and-bail-bond-news/fundamentalist-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints/+&cd=1&hl=it&ct=clnk&gl=it) named the FLDS Church to its “hate group” listing because of the church’s teachings on race, which include a fierce condemnation of interracial relationships. Warren Jeffs has said, “the black race is the people through which the devil has always been able to bring evil unto the earth.”

Jesus Christ came to save all of us. By the way, there are African Americans who think all white people are from Satan. God is not the author of confusion. Who do you think wants people to think only some of us are saved by our skin color? Satan. A teaching that someone is saved through their skin color, negates the fact that Jesus came to save us all, and we all needed saving. They're not Christian.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Sweeping under the carpet the fact that Christians endlessly threaten people with the old "believe in my cult or burn in hell" tiresome sketch.

It's only a threat if the person believes in hell and the Christian actually has the ability to put them there (which they don't), which if the person isn't Christian, they don't, right?

How can you threaten someone with something they don't believe in? That makes no sense.

Frustration, not hate.

Look at your body. Look at all that has gone into making it. No man or group of men could make something like a human body, one that can reproduce with another human body and make millions of variations of people.

There is great love that has gone into making you. It is loving care that has placed everything into just the right places, so that you are you.

More than that, you have a spirit and a soul. You have your own identity, where you can say, "I am I. There is nobody else who is me, and I am nobody else."

The love of God caringly and carefully built you into the wonderful being that you are - His child. He loves you. He calls for you. He misses you so extremely much... the little one you were as he was building you in Mommy's tummy, before you took up your own way.

"Won't you please come back to me?" calls our loving God.

This is what Christianity is all about. Christians join with God in calling you back to Him. Come back, so that you are not lost forever. There are tears in God's eyes, and in the eyes of Christians... tears for you. We miss you so. Come back to be with us forever, in love and joy and peace. We miss you now, and we don't want to miss you forever.

We call so much. But you don't want to come back. This is the Christian religion. No hate. Simply love, followed by deep frustration, because we are losing you.

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EDIT: God calls for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcLp-5BKfms.

I think that the word christian and those christians who enter in the temples today is very different...

The true christian will know the difference between religion and spirituality, will know that they don't to have donate or spent money in church - because the church is not a market, will also know that everything should be free and the preacher has to help to people, especially to those who are poor.

Imagine, how will this world look like if the preachers start to teach us what is written in the Act of the Apostles? Do you think that there will be poverty? Will there will be violence and hatred between nations? Are people will able to solve their problems by reading and practicing the act of the Apostles?

I am sure, that every person who read, understand and start to live by the philosophy who is written in the New Testament, that he will have a better life. ;)

This that you say is good. But you haven't expressed the basic point in your posts. The God-man, Jesus Christ, personally took the sins of the whole world onto Himself when He died on the cross. He took the punishment for all wrongdoing on Himself. Then He arose from the dead, showing that He has the power of God. Only those who believe in Jesus for salvation will be saved.

This is what the Christian churches teach. Of course, there are some that are Christian in name only. And none of the Christian churches teaches everything correctly all the time. But there is a purpose for the Christian churches.

If you wanted to help God in His work of salvation by preaching to the unsaved, perhaps you could do it. Many people wouldn't know where to begin. The purpose of the Christian churches is to train up missionaries and pastors to teach the people about the salvation of Jesus. Thus, even though there are mistakes made, the Christian churches have a very important purpose.

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Religion is not about hate but love, any religion.
But, people often misunderstand their religions and holy books and hate others because of different faith, religions, skin colour etc.
Still, i don't see problem in any particular religion but in some people.
Not all Christians are good but also not all Christians, Muslims and other religious people are bad.

Except for one thing. Salvation to eternal life is found in none other than Jesus Christ.

If the religion is only for this life, it may be good for this life, but that means it is only good for less than 100 years (usually) for each individual. The religion of Jesus Christ is good for untold amounts of time, way beyond any earthly religion.

Personally, I would focus on the forever... Jesus.

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I am sure that every person who will understand why Christ die for our sins on a cross, will accept his salvation!

He die so He can show us that we, like human beings have spirit who is eternal! And by accepting that fact, we will be able to change our self. We can become like Him, a true Light who can shine trough the darkness.

We are created from flesh and blood, but there is something that it's make us more different then the rest species on this planet. We have Spirit! Scholars think that the center of the Spirit is in the between our eyes and it's true. Because, between our eyes is the 3-th eye or The Light. And if you like to unlock to power of the Light, you should try to become a pure soul! ;)

Christians want to save atheists from hating people and going to hell but most of them won't listen until it's too late  :)

Not every Christian is like these people. You can't place them all in a box.

I just like to let people like that be. You don't have to listen to what they say. Ignorance is bliss.

Jesus said that it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. Become wealthy if you want. But hang onto Jesus salvation. This will be difficult if you become rich.

Also, become rich in 3rd eye wealth if you want. But be sure to hang onto Jesus, or you will lose it all.

Most of the things I have seen written about 3rd eye and enlightenment, are things that do not conform to Jesus salvation. In fact, they seem to drag people away from Jesus salvation just like wealth does.

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Yes, the new age, third eye stuff, will lead you away from Jesus. It's demonic.

Not all Christians are a hate group.

I am a Christian and I am a happy group.

well that is in USA not every christian is like that, i admit there are some cristian believe if dont believe in jesus christ you will go to hell,
those are hard core religious people. those people are close minded.


im not sure if you are open minded or not? because this topic says "Christians are a hate group" dont generalize the christian believers.

That is very true  :)

But, we Christians need to be careful. Why? Because we aren't the ones holding our faith in place. God, by the Holy Spirit, holds our faith in place. If we think we stand, we better be careful... because we can fall, just like anyone else.

In addition, the way that the Holy Spirit holds faith open in people is not limited to the standard preaching and teaching of the Word of God. When Saint Paul suggests that there is no other way than through preaching and teaching, he does it in question form. He asks, What other way is there? So, we do the preaching and teaching.

We understand the preaching and teaching to be the way. But we can't limit the Holy Spirit to the things that we do. The Holy Spirit can preach and teach to hearts of people in ways that we do not understand... just like He does to our hearts. Yet, because God says that we should preach and teach, we must do it. But don't judge results by the things we do. Leave the judgment to God.

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This is completely true of course, and I agree, all it takes is a small group of these bad weak Christian extremists to spoil it for the good ones.
All we can do is use the tools God gave us, common sense, logic and sound reasoning to attempt to deradicalise them, as they are defenseless against these three things.
Other than that there's not much hope for them.

 

I definitely agree with you I just don't like some extreme Christian.
Will I am christian but I am not that extreme we believe in god but we also think the logic.

If you believe that's a threat that means that you do believe hell exists. If you don't believe it you shouldn't feel this way.

Anyway, real Christians would never spread hate. They are willing to try to convince you to believe but if you don't, they won't force. The choice is up to you.

People in these video, I dont consider them to be a real Christian, they must not read the bible very often.

Exactly. That's why the point of this thread is moot. People who hate, are NOT Christian, and therefor finding evidence of people hating others, is not finding Christians. The thread should be closed, as it is pointless and proves nothing except there are hateful wolves in sheep's clothing in this world, which is not a surprise as the bible warns to be on the look out for them.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits....

As we can see, hate is not Christian, so hateful actions/sayings (bad fruits) mean they are all wolves in sheep's clothing.
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This is true, I've met a bunch of the so called prophets. They say that they are Christian but do the total opposite. Especially those people that go to church and pretend everything is all peachy rainbow and sunshine but outside of church they can relate to Satan. That's not how you're suppose to live with one another on this Earth.

I agree. If a Christian has feelings in the direction of hate, they are frustration, disgust, or some other feeling. Sometimes determination is mistaken for hate, because a determined person often goes about achieving his goal without all the fuzzy smiles and handshakes, etc.

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Yes, I don't go to church. They may be some nice ones, but I think those are rare. Anyway, our Father is with us, the people, not the buildings.

Matthew 18:19 Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.

And the Holy Spirit resides in our bodies which are the temple on earth:

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

If you find a church celebrating Christmas/Saturnalia, then you've found a church that doesn't live according to the bible, as it says the Lord hates what the heathens do and talks about celebrating by putting a tree up and decorating it with silver and gold. How churches can do such a thing when the bible says the Lord hates it is beyond me. Jeremiah 10:2-4

You are doing quite well without going to church. The writer to the Hebrews instructs us, at Hebrews 10:25:
Good for you. Or did you mean a formal church?

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I don't go to a church building. I study and chat with other Christians. :)

So you ARE going to church.   :)

Let's suppose a stranger phoned you up tonight and said "I know who you are. I know where you live. So-and-so is coming round tonight to put a bullet in your back." and then hung up.
Now you could go either of two ways. You could believe the threat and start panicking, or you could just not believe it, shrug your shoulders and carry on as normal.
Now the point is that it's irrelevant if the threat was a sucess or not. It's still someone else threatening or at least attempting to threaten you.

Of course I understand there are different levels of threats. My example above is a very serious one. In contrast the Christian extremist one is rather a silly childish one, most normal muture adults would roll their eyes to it. But the point is it's still someone attempting to threaten you however much they sugarcoat it with "saving" you.

On a further note the Christian extremist threat is a logical fallacy anyway as it's an "appeal to consequences", so should be ignored as it's a flawed statement.



If you never experienced dark, how would you know what light is?
If you never felt cold, how would you know what warmth was?
If you never felt sad, how would you know what it's like to be happy?
If you never tasted anything sour, how would you know what sweetness tasted like?
If you never experience hate, how would you know what love is?

I should have said, people who hate people, are NOT Christian. (we were discussing people who hate people, but I guess you needed the extra word there) We're supposed to have righteous anger against sin, but never let the sun go down without forgiving people who sin against you.

Also, for your example above.

The Christian wolf in sheep's clothing doing the threatening has no power, real or imagined to send anyone to hell.

It's like an ant, trying to say to a human, "I'm going to step on you and smash you to the ground!" Uh, right... you don't have the power to do that, lol. No man or woman has the power to send anyone to hell, so next time don't forget to make an example with that in mind. I already mentioned it, but maybe you forgot.

Christians are able to hate but it's not a hate group. It's in human nature to like and dislike. (I used to go to church) In church I was taught to love one another and not to spread hate only love. The reason why I stopped going because I felt like I was part of something I didn't support, meaning I didn't support the church but that didn't mean that I stopped believing in God. It also doesn't make me a less of a Christian. I've never tried to convince someone to become a Christian that's not who I am. I let people be whoever they want to be, if they don't do any harm they are alright with me.

So, to the OP don't push all Christians into a box, get out into the world more and meet new people, you might find some that you like regardless of race, skin color or religion.

Some of my Christian friends have told me that I will burn in hell after my death, since I don't believe in their "god". I live in South-east Asia, and here some of the Christians are very fanatic. These people hate non-Christians (especially Atheists like me) and want to impose their religious beliefs upon others forcefully. However, in the Western nations people are more tolerant.

In Italy exist forced catolic "education" at Schools. They are totally useless and brainwashing, and its hard to evade.

The Catholic Church is not Christian.

wow, they are a gay-pedophile church, OK

That's not Christian. Ok. I grew up Catholic, read the bible and found out how much they don't follow it. It's quite clear their church practices have nothing to do with Christianity.

I love how big cross Christians are quick to jump to the gun of brothers in Christ etc; Yet refuse to acknowledge all of the God ordered violence in the Christian Bible. If you are against Christianity you must be for the Devil they will proclaim. Thus going into a tangent on how the Devil must be rid from the earth. Religion in general is fucked. It's all a control mechanism for weak minded or ignorant individuals on a mass scale.

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil%20Bible%20Quotes.htm



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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1116405.0

fuck off  your 610 office member,

If someone is calling for people to kill people, they are not Christian. Please read the thread, the whole point is moot.

The Catholic Church has turned a lot of people away from God.

There is at least a touch of violence in everyone. In general, it isn't God-ordered.

God didn't order violence in the Bible. He simply used the devil's violence better than the devil, at times to get rid of the children of the devil, because they would not change and become peaceful (which means Godly, Btw).

There is essentially no instance of God-ordered Christian violence in the Bible. There is no Christianity until the New Testament. There is essentially no God-ordered violence or hate in the New Testament.

God-ordered violence for the Jews in the Old Testament was for specific instances and times. O.T. Israel was a government as well as a religion. Governments exist to make order and peace. At times violence is necessary to keep peace. This is the government part, not the religion part.

Unlike Islam, O.T. Judaism (the Jewish religion) does not have written standing orders in the O.T. to kill people of other religions if they won't convert. Such a thing may exist to some extent in other Jewish writings, but not the Bible.

People who suggest that Christianity as a religion is messed up, and that it is violent so we should do away with it, simply want to get rid of peace so that they can do their violence without needing an excuse. Their violence exists even when they peacefully break the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament.

:)

The Catholic Church is not Christian. In predominantly Catholic nations, Christianity is considered a secondary thing for the people, if it is considered at all.

:)

Cruelty in the New Testament


The LORD sent lions among them, which slew some of them.--2 Kg.17:25

The book, called the Bible, is filled with passages equally horrible, unjust and atrocious. This is the book to be read in schools in order to make our children loving, kind and gentle! This is the book they wish to be recognized in our Constitution as the source of all authority and justice! -- Robert Green Ingersoll, The Gods, (1872)

Matthew

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." 15:13
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35
"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41
"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44
In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:1-14
The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes (6-7). And that's just "the beginning of sorrows" (8). Next believers will be hated and killed by unbelievers (9), believers will hate and betray each other (10), false prophets will fool people (11), iniquity will abound and love wax cold (12). But hey, if you make through all that, you'll be saved (13).
Only one more thing will happen before the end comes: the gospel will be preached throughout the world (14). Well, that and the abomination of desolations will stand in the holy place (15), many false Christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders (24), the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars will fall (29), the sign of the son of Man will appear in the sky, everyone on earth will mourn, and then, finally, the great and powerful son of Man will come in all his glory (30).

Oh, and all these things will happen within the lifespan of Jesus' contemporaries (34).

Or maybe not. Jesus was talking about things he knew nothing about (36). (See Mark 13:32.) 24:3-51

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
The parable of the cruel and unjust master
The kingdom of heaven is like a rich man who distributed his wealth to his servants while he traveled. He gave five talents (a talent was a unit of money, worth about 20 years of a worker's wages) to one servant, two to another, and one to a third. When he returned, the servant with five talents had made five more, the servant with two made two more, but the servant with one talent only had the talent his master entrusted to him. The master rewarded the servants that invested his money (without his permission -- what would have happened if the stock market went down during their master's travels?) and took the talent from the single-talent servant and gave it to the one with ten talents. "For unto every one that hath shall be given .. but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." Then the cruel and unjust master cast the servant who carefully protected his master's talent into the "outer darkness: [where] there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:14-30
The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
Jesus judges the nations. 25:31-46
Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10
Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke

Zechariah asks the angel Gabriel how his wife Elizabeth could become pregnant, since she is "stricken with years." Gabriel makes him "dumb" just for asking. 1:20
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
"Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." 13:3, 5
According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 22:19-20
John

Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of food and water. Then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14
"God so loved the world, that he gave his His only begotten Son."
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." (They are called Protestants nowadays.) 6:53-66
Acts

Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-10
The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22
The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam 12:31 and 1 Chr 20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children. 1:31-32
The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
"If ... we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son", then God is truly a monster. 5:10
1 Corinthians

If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you.   3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
2 Corinthians

The terror of the Lord 5:11
Galatians

If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
Ephesians

We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Philippians

Colossians

God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians

God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (because they're going to hell). 4:13
2 Thessalonians

Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
1 Timothy

2 Timothy

Titus

Philemon

Hebrews

"That which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."
Apostates will burn in hell with the other non-believers. 6:8
"Melchisedec ... met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him."
God showed his approval of "the slaughter of the kings" with Melchisedec's blessing of Abraham. (Genesis 14:17-18) 7:1
God will not forgive anyone unless something is killed for him in a bloody manner. 9:13-22
"A certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
God will soon destroy non-believers in a fiery hell. 10:27
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
"Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord." 10:30
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." 10:31
"Abraham ... offered up Isaac ... his only begotten son." (And this was a good thing? How fucked up is that?) 11:17
The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28
God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
"Time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthah; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets."
The heroes of faith: Gideon, Samson, Jephthah, David, and Samuel. It would be hard to find a more monstrous group than these guys. 11:32
"Others were tortured ... that they might obtain a better resurrection." 11:35
God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
"Ye are come ... to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel." 12:22-24
James

James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Romans 4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter

We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
"The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter

God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
"Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John

Christians are washed in the blood of Jesus. 1:7

The term "hate speech" simply identifies a political propaganda invention, designed to remove freedom of speech from the people.

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"I didn't stab that hooker in the throat for the $50 dollars she had hanging out of her purse, God simply ordered me to do it in his name because she is a hooker and equates to the devil."

Christian logic is just as violent and malevolent as any other religion that inducts violence. Just because it is not deemed in the main stream bible, does not mean it isn't practiced in life. (Disregard my over zealous example.)

Most followers are ignorant and want to do good. I am not saying that all religious people are bad people. They did tithe that 10% though that paid for the furnishings of the many evil empires built on Christianity.

Follow what you will. I'll follow science and logic.

Try some Scientology next. ;) I'm sure they will be happy to have you.

None of the violence or supposedly cruel things listed in the New Testament are for Christians to do. These are things that God, Himself, will do, mostly in judgment of people.

Why are they written? They are written to warn people so that people change, so that such violence doesn't happen to them.

Why would God do such seemingly cruel things to people? Because the actions and thinking of people who do not turn to God and obey His ways, actually promote violence in the peaceful universe that God created. This is why God gives people the chance to turn... He is peaceful and a promoter of peace. When people turn to God by becoming Christian, they then have the peace of God with them. But if they won't turn to God, they are essentially living in violence, even if it doesn't look like it. God is getting rid of the obstinate violence.

In addition, God made people for His own purposes. If people won't turn to God and leave their own stubborn ways, but remain obstinately opposed to God and His purposes for them, what good are they? The sooner they die, the better for them. This is so that in Hell they are not going to be punished for more disobedience than necessary. God is doing them a favor by letting them die.

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As I said, there is at least a touch of evil in everyone. God doesn't order anyone to do evil. People might think that God told them to do wickedness, but His words are very distinct in the New Testament, that we are to live in love and peace.

Mans' science and mans' logic are flawed. This is fully evident from God's Creation story in the Bible. Mans' science says that the universe came into being over billions of years. The Bible and "solid" science suggest that the absolute MAXIMUM age of the earth and universe can't be over 25,000 years, and is probably in the range of less than 10,000 years.

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Also, the earth is flat, pigs can fly, and Obama is a Christian. :)

Oh, sorry. I thought that I was discussing with a sane person. What asylum are you in, again?

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There's a reason I didn't bother responding to (arguing with) them from the get-go. They seem like they're totally dead set in their ways, and are completely brainwashed, and won't consider listening to what Christianity is about, since they ignored my perfectly logical explanation why this thread is moot.

Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Matthew 10:14 Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

Death to Christian Terrorists, Death to Amerikkka, Allahu Akbar!

Yes, it is true. Only the Word of God can save anyone. The Word is the only way the Holy spirit works to save.

My hope is that if I can show them that most of their science is theory, which most often is not really known to be fact, that they will see that they can't depend on their science. They have a religion, and the way to wear them down (maybe?) is to show the fallacies in their religion.

But you are right. Keep using the Word on them when they talk to you like this.

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Wow! Another guy who wants to die before his time. I wonder how long God will keep having mercy on him.

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He's in a hate group against Christians. Many people are. Christians who are taught not to murder people and to turn the other cheek.

Hypocrites believe Christians are a hate group.

It's funny and sad at the same time.

My last post was satire. You're all fucking nuts. Batshit insane overzealous religious nutjobs.

well, this thread is interesting .. ::)

People are simply trying to "save" you from this man-made cult you've been sucked into. It's not hate if they are trying to save you. Your words remember.

go hell with your bullshit ISIS Terrorists

I was referring to someone saying, "Death to Christian Terrorists", after I already laid out the whole argument that any terrorist is not Christian.

He's in a hate group, because he believes Christians are terrorists, which makes no sense after everything I've said here. If you agree that Christians will hate people and therefor need to be killed, then you are part of the same hate group.

If you were trying to save people from the "cult" then you would actually argue against my points. But there's no arguing against them, because the bible is quite clear that if you hate anybody, you aren't Christian.

What you guys are really after are the wolves in sheep's clothing, those who lie about being Christian in order to sin in the name of little 'g' - god. Because they don't worship our Father in heaven.

1 John 4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Now, now, Beliathon. Why do you want to speed anyone's death? You only hurry your own along by doing this. Aren't we all going to die without your curse?

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As a christian, its hard to read/hear this kinds of ideals because i kind of admit we Christians have our own pride.

My parents are so judgmental and very sentimental to matters that they think its not natural. :(

Church's in general turn people away from God. There was a study on why people do not Christianity in a whole in the United States, and the most frequent response happened to be that Church's and people whom called themselves Christians did. I am sure that we have all heard about Westboro Baptist Church and their rather infamous expenditures to travel to high profile funerals or events to protest them. The WBC has been classified as a Hate group by numerous groups. However, by judging Christians as a whole, because of the actions of some extremists, is like saying all Middle Easterns are Terrorists because of the Taliban and all German people are extreme racists because of the Nazis. And saying that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian is condemning all Denomination of Christianity, or is a history lesson in order..?

Up until the 16th Century, the Roman Catholic Church was pretty much the only denomination of Christianity until a German Friar by the name of Martin Luther nailed a paper of 95 faults or theses with the church including the use of money taken from church members supposedly to purchase salvation from purgatory. This instigated the Great Schism and the Protestant Reform in where denominations protested against the Roman Catholic Church and made their own different denominations with each one having their own beliefs.

But Yes, with differing beliefs comes difference of opinions.. Which has led many Christian groups to be vehemently against something or another, such as Gay Marriage, but also with these beliefs, would it be hard to believe that many denominations today do not really follow the teachings of their named Messiah, Jesus Christ, simply because they choose to live in the Old Testament of their Holy Scriptures and completely ignore the only thing their Messiah asked of them..? That we simply need to love and help our fellow man and woman, regardless of their creed, sexual orientation, etc. Many denominations forget this and you have Christians condemning people of their actions and driving them away from God because people think that if they become Christian they would be the same.

What I am trying to saying though, not every Christian is a hatemonger, just like not every middle eastern is a terrorist or every German man or woman is a Nazi. Condemning everyone for the actions of few is something that also cause fear and derision.. So is thinking that everyone that falls into a group is the same as everyone else in that group. Even the leader of this so called "Unchristian Church", Pope Francis, has gone on record as to condemn that condemnation that Christians wrought on other people and reminding people of the teachings of Paul wherein mercy and forgiveness are key, not to mention not condemning others. There is a famous scripture that I like to quote to proselytizers all of the time, which in verbatim talks about "why do you confront your brother about the speck in his eye, yet do not see the log in your own eye, would it not be easier to remove the log from you own eye first that you could see clearly enough to see the speck in your brothers..?"

Yes, we hear about those 12 people all the time.  Some people love to mention them as examples of Christianity. 






Because they didn't allow anyone to read the Bible.






Jesus didn't say to approve of sexual immorality.  He told the prostitute to go and sin no more.   






Many people forget where babies come from.






They would have to be near God to be driven away. 






If I remove the log from my eye, then what will you tell me when I point out something you shouldn't be doing? 

Will you have another answer for why bad is good and wrong is right?

So I should really break these up like you broke mine up to counter-point them.


If you read, I mentioned WBC as a form of Extremism, in the fact their website alone points at the nature of Hate Crimes, "godhatesfags"


Until the protestant reform, the Holy Bible was written mostly in a then dead language, Latin and Aramaic, the New Testament texts were largely written in Greek.. But also average people were not very privileged to education and remained vastly illiterate.


No, he did not say to approve of sin, and yes he did say to go and sin no more, however, how are Christians to love people if they show love by hating the person and not the sin.. Is that what they teach in churches in this day in age, Hate the sinner and not the sin itself? Because the sin is the terminal illness that all humans are born into, and sin is fatal.


How many tenants of faith are universal..? I mean besides Jesus Christ being the Messiah.. Not all denominations believe that the Tri-fold (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are one Entity, Most Pentecostal sects believe that you do not have salvation until you are baptized in the Holy Ghost which is an event completely separated from repentance of one's sins and being baptized by water, there are some denominations that believe that once you are saved, your salvation cannot be wrenched from you, while others believe that sinning can strip you of your place in Heaven.. There are many beliefs but many seem to pass over the teachings that were directed at Christ's Students (In general, Christians) and delve themselves in the history of God's Chosen People, the descendants of Abraham. And that being said, if we are meant to live in the old testament and completely ignore the new, then why do we not follow every law and commandment in the old testament, like stoning women caught in adultery (and the man that they are caught with) or selling our daughters into slavery?


The point I was making there is how could you be near God to be driven away if the cause of what drove you away isn't God-inspired, saying that, I know will be wrought with confusion.. How can God be in a place that has even pushed God away in the first place. If you don't believe my words, then read about the 12 churches in Revelations and tell me how many of those 12 churches actually are looked upon favorably.


The only way to answer that is to quote another writer that quoted Pope Francis (A seemingly hated guy here as he is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church) in this article (http://www.todayscatholicnews.org/2015/03/who-me-yes-you-fess-up-to-sins-stop-judging-others-pope-says/):

It wasn't so much a problem with literacy, because one literate person could read a Bible to everyone in town.  But who would teach him Latin, when only Catholic Priests knew Latin?

So the real problem was that the Catholic Church did not allow the Bible to be read in any living language.

As I said, the Catholic Church murdered hundreds of thousands of people for reading the Bible, even before the Protestant Reform.


http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reformation_Rome_crusade_slaughter

Historian J. A. Wylie said this:
It is idle in Rome to say, "I gave you the Bible, and therefore you must believe in me before you can believe in it." The facts...conclusively dispose of this claim. Rome did not give us the Bible—she did all in her power to keep it from us; she retained it under the seal of a dead language; and when others broke that seal, and threw open its pages to all, she stood over the book, and unsheathing her fiery sword, would permit none to read the message of life, save at the peril of eternal anathema"






No.  They teach people to be proud of their sin, and to do whatever they want, and to judge righteousness as a personal insult against the unrighteous.






For Catholics, only one:  Submit to the Catholic Church.  If you do that, you're Catholic, and you can still practice voodoo or whatever you want.  Any other universal tenets would be judgmental, wouldn't they?






Who said to do that?





Where are we commanded to sell our daughters into slavery?

It sounds like you don't believe in the Bible.  More than that, it sounds like you don't even like the Bible.







Are you saying that God-inspired things can drive people away from God? 

Is that why you are against sharing God's word with others?

People don't need to be so general about it. there's hate groups in all religious quadrants but it is only a small part. The problem is extremists, and those you can find in any religion

This is true. The questions lie in defining the religions, what they really are, and defining if a person is part of a religion when he say he is or if he is a liar - even though he may not know it.

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Good point.  There are people who call themselves Christians, even priests, who do not believe that Jesus existed.  Since those people are being used as examples of what my religion is, I see it as important to make a distinction between them and myself.

Put all the people in one bag, gtfo.

This is why Muslims, if they are entirely non-violent, are barely Islamic.   :)

Ahh so true, it's a shame to put all the Christians in the same group, when most of them mean well. Most of them don't pressure you to "join them" or even try to convince you into believing into the same thing they do.

And Christians who are violent are barely Christian.   :)

Documentary Atheists Don't Exist

This is a great Documentary by Keith Thompson (check links below). In this film it's recognized there's no point in endlessly giving "atheists" classical or evidentialist arguments since their fallen nature and faulty unbelieving presuppositions prevent them from accepting them. Plus it is dishonoring to God to let them autonomously weigh evidence for God as if He was on trial and they were the judges. Rather, we reduce the unbeliever's worldview to absurdity noting it can't account for valid human experience (and that Christianity does), and show the God they know deep down is needed to rescue them from such absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sehid3cK4_c)

enjoy!  :)

Err, what's this got to do with this topic? I think you may of inadvertently posted in the wrong thread.

That's exactly the point. True Christians love God so much that they want to follow His commands to save as many atheists as possible. In addition, the Christians are trying to do it without offending either God or the atheists.

Only Jesus knows the right way to do it. But Christians are forgive when they make mistakes trying. They are even rewarded for trying, and much more if they succeed. They will be rewarded by God in the hereafter even more.

Christians are a love group.

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Yeah I actually wrote the following to an atheist earlier today:

Yes^^!

I have shown many times how science has proven that God exists. What I haven't tried to show much is the love of God, and which god shows the most love, and how.

When you look at the greatness God has given mankind, and the great supply of food and water and air and everything else that people need for life, you can see that God loves mankind. The thing we need to do is compare all the writings about gods, and see which God is the most loving of all.

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Yes, I have posted recently about that too. If you believe in a god or gods, then look at the pagan gods, they ask for sacrifices and have been known to treat people like slaves. Jesus came to free us.

When you look at the beauty in the world, you have to believe something created that beauty. When you feel love between you and your family, you have to believe something created that love.

When you look at the evil in this world, it is the bible (and the book of Enoch, Jubilees, etc) that show why there is evil in the world. What we've done to ourselves, through sin, has created the evil. It was never meant to be.

All other religions supposedly created the good and also the evil, and they want slaves. I think it's quite logical when you compare a good/evil god with a completely good God, that the good God makes more sense. Because no creator would create evil for everyone. Only our Father gives us the reason as to why there is evil and plans to take it away. :)

Well, Christians are not about hate. It is as silly to say that Christians hate homosexuals as it is to say a Doctor who cuts off a leg because of gangrene hates that leg.

It's not even accurate, as our Father loves everyone, even homosexuals, and He's waiting for everyone to come to Him to be saved. He will never cut anyone off from salvation until they actually die.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Oh dear, now look who's guilty of generalising.  You can't put all Christians in that same box you now.

I thought you lot were suppose to be a hate group. You know, hate the sin?

Now your claim to love sinning. You crazy mixed up kids.  :D :D

Love the sinner, hate the sin. We're to love everyone, and treat everyone as we would want ourselves treated.

Atheists Become Emotionally Aroused When Daring God to Do Terrible Things

We examined whether atheists exhibit evidence of emotional arousal when they dare God to cause harm to themselves and their intimates. In Study 1, the participants (16 atheists, 13 religious individuals) read aloud 36 statements of three different types: God, offensive, and neutral. In Study 2 (N = 19 atheists), 10 new stimulus statements were included in which atheists wished for negative events to occur. The atheists did not think the God statements were as unpleasant as the religious participants did in their verbal reports. However, the skin conductance level showed that asking God to do awful things was equally stressful to atheists as it was to religious people and that atheists were more affected by God statements than by wish or offensive statements. The results imply that atheists' attitudes toward God are ambivalent in that their explicit beliefs conflict with their affective response.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10508619.2013.771991 (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10508619.2013.771991)

"It is possible that atheists are not immune to these influences. Recent studies have shown that reminders of God increase prosocial behavior (Shariff & Norenzayan, 2007, Study 1), reduce career-related effortful behavior, and increase temptation resistance (Laurin, Kay, & Fitzsimons, 2012) not only among believers but among atheists as well. Because behavior is based on emotions and cognitions (Izard, Kagan, & Zajonc, 1988; Pessoa, 2008), it seems strange that atheists would change their behavior unless they have some emotional reactions to reminders of God—the focus of the present studies—or even an implicit belief in the efficacy of the supernatural."

Huh, interesting. lol

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Sry guys that I miss so many post here, but now I am here and I would love to rejoin the discussion! :)

The Third Eye is demonic and it's going to lead me away from Jesus? - Mate, please next time before you wrote something, try to buy advise from Google or some book who will explain you what is Yoga, chakras and meditation!

Did you ever ask yourself how those people (the Prophets) have a visions about the past and the future? - It's because their 6-th chakra was opened. And do you know what you should do if you want clear and open your chakra? - Pure consciousness, mate! ;)

They were getting information from demons. I've read plenty of books on both sides of the table, and dealt with these issues. I'm not ignorant about it.

Everyone who practices yoga is seducing demons and deceiving him or her self.

The prophets of God received info from God without 3rd eye, 6th chakra stuff. They didn't need it. However, if it was involved in any way, it was because God temporarily opened it for them so they could receive messages from Him more clearly. It didn't happen through anything that the prophets, themselves, did.

People who practice meditation techniques, and who eat foods to soften and "un-calcify" their pineal gland, so that they can spiritually absorb various vibrations from without, unwittingly open themselves up to demonic control, if they don't have a good foundation in the God of the Bible, and understanding about Him.

First, found yourself on God. Next, fill yourself with the understandings in the Bible about God and Jesus salvation. I mean, FILL YOURSELF FULLY AND DEEPLY. Then, if you must monkey with 3rd eye stuff, you might be ready. But realize this. You are opening up yourself to a great struggle where the demons will be constantly trying to drag your soul away from God, into the realms of darkness. And the deeper you go into 3rd eye, the greater will be their tug on you.

The struggle won't be fun. It will be very subtle at times. And the only way you will be able to shut it off will be to allow your pineal gland to re-calcify... a thing that you will instinctively know how to keep from happening at that stage, so you won't do it.

Your only hope will be through prayer to the God of the Bible, and to Jesus, His Son, that they will hold you and keep you from being taken by the forces of evil. Yoga will only serve to reinforce the demon-strength. Why? Because God-strength comes from outside of you. It isn't within you waiting to be tapped. Since the fall into sin, the strength inside of you tends toward demonism. Using it will not help you against demons.

The point? Don't get involved with 3rd eye meditation stuff if you don't want to lose your eternal soul/self.

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The prophets of God received info from God without 3rd eye, 6th chakra stuff. They didn't need it. However, if it was involved in any way, it was because God temporarily opened it for them so they could receive messages from Him more clearly. It didn't happen through anything that the prophets, themselves, did.

Wow, someone here was read more about the metaphysic... I am must admit, you speech was awesome! :)

True, the first time when you open the 3-th eye or the spiritual realm be sure that you will meet angels and demons. And if your faith in God is weak, believe me that you will be drag it by the demonic forces. In the New Testament, Christ mention that there will be a war at the end of the time and those who will choose the path to the Light will be marked with a tattoo on their forehead.

So, the Bible wasn't telling you that you should belong to God, instead God is belong to you and it is You who should choose to accept or don't! ;)

The Bible doesn't say tattoo. It says a mark. The idea that it is a tattoo, is only a guess.

God owns everything. Yet He is trying to give people their freedom from the devil and evil. Third eye stuff enhances people's slavery rather than their freedom.

The only way that people can choose to be on God's side or not, is that Jesus, through his death and resurrection, has opened the way to free choice; people had thrown their free choice away in the Garden of Eden when they followed Satan rather than God. The people that get the mark of the beast are people who have used their Jesus granted free choice to throw away the freedom that God gives them.

What does any of this have to do with God belonging to people or people belonging to God?

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The mark of Cain wasn't a physical mark, so I'm leaning towards the mark of the beast not being one, and I think we already have our seal from the Lord or the mark of the beast already.

Revelation 9:4 They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

"There is no clear consensus as to what Cain's mark refers to. The word translated as "mark" in Gen. 4:15 is 'owth, which could mean a sign, an omen, a warning, or a remembrance. In the Torah, the same word is used to describe the stars as signs or omens (Gen. 1:14), the rainbow as the sign of God's promise to never again destroy his creation as with the flood (Gen. 9:12), circumcision as a token of God's covenant with Abraham (Gen. 17:11), and the miracles performed by Moses before the Pharaoh (Exodus 4:8,9,17,28; 7:3; 8:23; 10:1,2)." (link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain))

The mark of Cain was some kind of "thing" that the people could see. The reason God gave Cain the mark was so that people would see it, and not kill Cain for the evil thing he did.

Could all people back then see with their 3rd eye? Was the mark a thing that was only visible to the 3rd eye? Who knows? One thing is certain. People have been devolving since before the time of Cain. Those early people had a lot of abilities that we don't have today.

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I sure hope this is satire. If not, this is the most hogwash presented on the matter in all of time. It sounds like something someone who is morbidly obese and fully ignorant would chant, so as to justify their honey boo boo ways.

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There's a really interesting video discussion from Walter Veith on this: The Mark Of Cain (https://youtu.be/Hh4Z8iN9x2U), he discusses it as an ability (opportunity) to lead people, to form governments, to form cities, and to enslave the people, even God's people when He so chooses.

God leads us into slavery when we aren't following His commandments, so that we will repent and ask to be freed. This is seen in the bible, and there is nothing new under the sun.

So since the mark of Cain, Cain made a city, he ruled over people, and his decedents followed that line. His son Enoch (not to be confused with Noah's grandfather Enoch) was said to be the leader of the Freemasons. While God's people were the type of people to farm their land and stay away from cities.

He also discusses it a bit in his video The Herodian Mind (https://youtu.be/1AO0idw7ALU), because Herod had the mark of Cain also. The elite who are in power over us have the mark of Cain, those who are the slave masters to the slaves have the mark of Cain. You can say those who work in the corporation of the government are slaves, those who use credit cards are slaves til they pay them off, etc. Most people are slaves to money, especially around this time of year, which makes sense because this holiday is the birthday of Nimrod (another Mark of Cain) the sun god.

It's also interesting to note that the government is buying (http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/08/uncle-sam-owns-this-much-of-america-interactive-map/) (or forcefully taking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1280625.0)) land from people in the US, and there is a push (with Agenda2020) to get people into cities and away from farming the land. It fits right in, actually.

URBAN EUROPE 2020: An EU Urban Agenda for the Smart Cities of Tomorrow (https://eu-smartcities.eu/blog/urban-europe-2020-eu-urban-agenda-smart-cities-tomorrow)

It's not just Europe, but I found that in 2 seconds, they're not hiding it.

In all of this, we need to remember that it was all destroyed by the Flood. The only people that would have carried on such traditions would have been Noah, his wife, or his sons and their wives.

There is no mention one way or the other about if Noah kept records and writings of what happened before the flood... other than what is in the Bible. Archaeology isn't clear about whether the record of the Flood found in places other than the Bible were taken from Noah's records, or from remaining examples that nature left behind showing that there was a flood and a previous, fallen civilization.

Either way, where did the knowledge of Cain come from? Cain's civilization was destroyed in the Flood. How much of the knowledge about Cain and what he did and how he lived and the things he passed on, are speculation?

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In my humble opinion Christianity is about love, not hate.
Yes, they hate sin and Satan but love sinner and forgive him.
Can you see such example in atheist society?
I don't think so.
people tend to be selfish and think only about own pleasure, how to become reach, enjoy their life etc.
Christian people are more concerned about society, how to help people in need, how to serve local community etc.
Think about it.

A problem a Christian has with this is, to what extent am I allowed to protect myself from evil people? And how do I defnd myself to the point of killing them if necessary, without falling into the hate trap?

A good example how to do it is found in the way King David in the Old Testament treated everyone, throught his whole life.

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So you're telling me, some magical guy in the clouds impregnated a 'virgin'. After this a 'holy son' was born, he wandered around for 33 years preaching peace. Then his dad has him murdered in the most violent prolonged way, so you all could prance the earth committing atrocities. Then, with the essence of his son's horrible murder, all you have to do now, is ask the magical cloud guy to 'forget about it' and you can go to a magical fairy tale ending with mansions and Lamborghinis for all? Not to mention, he had his 'holy son' rise from the grave, so you could eat and drink him? (The first ever zombie leader.) Peace! Love! Compassion! (God tells his followers to murder and pillage entire civilizations, in multiple religions.) Wake up, that 10% tithe you're giving is going to a plight that commits atrocities.


The following is not just Christian woes, instead encompassing multiple religious atrocities.

I agree, there are many individual Christians and religious followers who love to live by good moral standard, yes. Although religion in general has been used for centuries to control, murder, cast blame, instill fear, and create blight around the world. Religion is a form of mass brain washing, good or evil. You have to know where to draw the line.  



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_leaders_convicted_of_crimes#Non-violent_crimes

While it is true that it all happened like this, your attitude is corrupting the way the love and mercy of God really looks and acts.

How do you think this whole universe and existence came into being? You might have a guess, but many scientific people haven't figured it out yet, even after decades of scientific research.

Thus, it turns out that you are more or less retarded in your attitude. The fact that you would select that avatar that you have selected, kinda proves it.

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So you get to pick and choose what makes your religion shine well in the spot light? Hypocrites are a dime a dozen these days. Your personal attacks against my personal opinion only reiterate my aforementioned views and cited facts.

You're what we call, a 'big cross Christian'. Wearing your cross so openly and well. Shoving it down the throats of all that fail to follow your ways. Condemning those that have any opinion other than thou's holiest. Love and compassion when it's convenient, hate and distrust when opinions and facts hurt your glitter painted fallacy. God would be ashamed, I presume.

I would suggest reading the book of Enoch, Jubilees and Jasher. I ordered a book of all three, and have found a lot of great information in it. Of course you should listen to the Holy Spirit to see if it's true or not, but I believe the book of Enoch and Jubilees are. I'm still reading Jasher.

Only Noah was found worthy, his family wasn't. But because God loved him, he saved His family too. Also his sons had to take wives (who were wicked) to have children with. The wives would have known the old ways, the demons (spirits of the Nephilim) were still around to tempt people. Those who channel spirits can have knowledge of demons, the wives certainly would have known how to. Stuff happens. But God had a plan.

I think the Nephilim would be the giants, the Naphidim, Naphil, Eljo, I think were all related to Nephilim hybrids, whether they were descendants or just different, I don't know. Perhaps those were the names for the sinned against animals (dinosaurs perhaps?)

From the book of Jubilees Chapter 7:22 "And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another.

And every one sold himself to work iniquity and to shed much blood, and the earth was filled with iniquity.

And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the earth: and much blood was shed on the earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined vanity and evil continually.

And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth He destroyed everything.

'And we were left, I and you, my sons, and everything that entered with us into the ark, and behold I see your works before me that ye do not walk in righteousness: for in the path of destruction ye have begun to walk, and ye are parting one from another, and are envious one of another, and (so it comes) that ye are not in harmony, my sons, each with his brother.

For I see, and behold the demons have begun (their) seductions against you and against your children and now I fear on your behalf, that after my death ye will shed the blood of men upon the earth, and that ye, too, will be destroyed from the face of the earth."

You obviously haven't read the bible.

Jesus died so we could be free of sin, and be as peaceful and loving as Jesus was. We are to be like him, and sin not.

What's the matter? Can't answer my points?

Nobody gets to pick and choose other than a tiny bit. It is cause and effect that almost dictates.

God allows freedom. That is why He allows you to have just enough freedom of choice so that you can select Him as your leader, or the devil, who He will destroy at just the right time.

If you don't want to be destroyed with your boss, the devil, change your selection to God.

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Obviously implying no judgement on your deviant actions, which is reiterated in many quotes of the Bible regarding sin. Also, contradicted by many quotes. The Bible is full of contradictions. You obviously pick and choose which parts you would like to represent in your favor.



There are many scientific explanations as to how the universe came to be. We each can choose our own to speculate or believe. This is your human right.

The fact that "God orders" the destruction and killing of the 'non-righteous' to justify his orders of murder... Hmm. Who else says God has ordered them to murder the non-righteous? Oh yeah. The Islamic State. One can argue that the devil has flowed into all acts of violence in religions. Tainting even The Bible, with self-righteous murder plots and condemning of non-believers.


Self mutilation encouragement:


God murdering because you didn't give him all of your money:


The Bible was written by man, to control you. Instill fear in your hearts. If you don't follow "my way or the highway" you're going to be burned in fire. Oh yeah, and give me all of your money or you will be burned in fire. Hey, I get to decide who gets burned in fire. You will burn in fire. Screw it, I'm drowning all of you suckers except Moses and his family.

The God depicted in The Bible is hateful, and hate fueled. If he was ever-forgiving and righteous like he claims to be in The Bible (again, massive contradictions to instill fear and take you for all you're worth), then he would not order the destruction of the earth, instead he would spread only the word of peace. Not fear and death for non-followers. Again, all too similar to The Islamic State and Caliphate.  

Even you are preaching the hate fueled destruction of myself, for not following your clandestine, man written, "Bible Law". More fear porn for controlling the masses.  

Just because you would like to pick anbd choose what you want to believe about the Bible, and the way you want to believe it, doesn't make it correct. The whole Bible explains itself, and when you take little chunks out of it and explain them incorrectly, you show how ignorant and/or deceptive you really are.

The Bible wasn't written to place fear into the hearts of people. It was written to show people the eternal joy they would be missing if they turned from Jesus salvation to something else. If that doesn't cause fear of failure, then nothing will.

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We get freed from sin, and told to sin no more. That literally means we're not supposed to sin. We are to try our best, and it's quite easy once you know Jesus to get freed from the shackles of sin. Only those who are a slave to sin are not free.

I just look for the truth. Those with blinders on will never truly see the truth. Many of the contradictions are because of bad translations. Satan has been trying to get people to fall away from the beginning, and manipulating the word of God. But those led by the Holy Spirit can see through the lies to the truth. If you seek with all your heart and soul to learn the truth, you will.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus encourages The Old Testament condemnation and slaying as preached in The New Testament:



So you're telling me, God created the Heavens and the Earth, and then spent the next X amount of time, testing his people, like asking Abraham to kill his only son for God, yet lets them all be condemned to Hell? All because he hasn't magically shot his load in the virgin Mary? Sounds like a destructive God to me. It's like the carrot on the end of the stick attached to the donkey's collar; With a the donkey set forth toward a cliff's edge. Here ya go little donkey. Take some sin. When you do, I'll be sure to cause pain, murder, destruction, fire, blight, and flooding of all your people, animals, and life.

God sounds like a sadist to me. Even Lucifer was at the right hand of God. Then he did something God disapproved of (again, double standard) and so he cast him to an eternal Hell and damnation. None of this bothers you? The fact that you're taught that you have free will, yet that free will is controlled by some whimsical sadist in the clouds? Waiting to bring death and destruction to the entire earth if you don't give him your money and follow his rules? Very disheartening.

It isn't as you think it is. So I'm sorry you won't listen to reason. I am free through Jesus Christ, happy and peaceful as everyone could be if they chose to be. Sadly they don't.

God doesn't want money. All the money in the world won't get you grace. Hint: It's free. Shows how much you truly know about the bible.

Jesus did NOT encourage killing. He encouraged obedience o the Law, including the commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill." Killing is up to God, because only God makes right judgments about everything, including killing.

When you get to the point that you can do the things of God listed in the last 8 chapters of Job, then you might be able to start judging God correctly. But if you judged Him then, like you are judging Him now, your judgment would be in line of the devil's judgment, like it is now.

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Most religions promote peace, this is just another attempt to use religion to carry out an agenda. I don't understand the hypocrisy of most "religious" people who do this. It's a an embarrassment watching people curve religious writings to meet their agenda and down right stupid.

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As I've stated this whole thread is silly, because Christians wouldn't do this. In other words those with agendas aren't Christians, and so they are twisting scriptures to make them look like Christians, but honestly I don't know how so many people fall for the lies and actually believe they're Christian.

Well I guess it makes sense if you never study the bible. But someone calls them-self a Christian, and you just take their word for it?

^^^^^ Pot calling the kettle black. ;)

Christians are told to study and be wise like serpents. Those who criticize something they don't know, look like like fools.

It depends what the agenda is.

Certainly there are Christians who have as their agenda making money, or some other crazy, wrong agenda.

The agenda of the Bible is to promote salvation to everlasting life, and also, as Saint Paul tells us in Galatians 5:22,23:
The Christians who faithfully promote the agendas of the Bible do well. Especially when they have to defend the Bible goodness with their lives. Their reward will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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You're all very ignorant to my personal knowledge. I grew up Catholic and transitioned to a less cult like, Baptist church; With the majority of my family being Catholic or Baptist, I was baptized, have received first communion, and studied The Bible well. My salvation is none of your concern, and I am not as you perceive. I know the tricks and trades of religious martyrs. I also know that there are many blind, yet loving individuals who get trapped in the bigotry of mankind, brought to you by the Church. I believe in a higher power that is looking after the good of mankind and the universe as we know it. "God", if you will. Although, The Bible, and many other religious items have perverted the universe's ever lasting love for all that is good in life and death.  


You all sure love casting those stones, don't you? ;)

You are so shrewd. Everybody knows that if you cast stones in an online forum, you stand to wreck your monitor and computer.

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You have to be quite blind to have studied the bible well and not see how it teaches peace. No one is ignorant that the Catholic Church has used it to gain money, it's just another bad fruit that shows they're not Christian. I'm sorry you got brainwashed from them. I was born Catholic too. But then I read the bible and saw how far from it they are. I didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater though. The only reason they can deceive people so well is because they're pretending to worship the true God. If they claimed they worshiped the sun god that they do, people wouldn't be following them as much.

I see the peace it teaches in many aspects, yet I also see the filth that man has instilled into the teachings. The filth that encourages fear, bigotry, demise. It's all been twisted from the true message of love, peace, and healing. I can understand where you all are coming from, and I by no means want you to think I am trying to demean your faith. You all have a right to it. I see that most of you that claim your Christianity do it in good and loving faith; Yes, this is what true Christians stand for. The modern interpretations, as well as the beginning of man writing The Bible have instilled a multitude of fallacy into the true love and compassion of the universe as one, living breathing organism.

So, get yourself a copy of Bible CDs in modern English (or whatever your native language is), and let the Spirit flow through you by listening, where you don't have to do anything but submissively listen. Listen to the New Testament several times for each hearing of the Old Testament.

I like your new avatar much better.

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The point in doing this will let God talk to you directly, rather than a bunch of Bible teachers who might not speak your personal, inner language.

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Right, it's good to have a problem with the filth. But the bible didn't make the filth, the filth made itself and it's not Christian, it's just a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I like you gaiz ;) The true meaning of good will and peaceful prospering. Keep up your strong hold, the world needs more individuals such as yourselves. I see our thoughts are not far from each other, as we both realize the world is full of positive vibes, and loving individuals; One must learn to out the wolves, and continue the spread of well being and freedom. The kind of people Jesus would have surrounded himself with. Hatred will fail. Compassion will prevail. Long live humanity! :D  

It is a shame that the Catholic Church has worked so hard to turn Christianity into itself (pagan sun god worship). They've completely deceived most Christian churches into practicing the pagan trinity worship, Nimrod (the sungod)'s birthday - December 25th, and Easter (from Ishtar another part of the pagan trinity). Even though the churches fled the Catholic Church, they still do as the Catholic Church does, which is why the Catholic Church can be labeled the the whore of Babylon, and the mother of harlots (other Christian churches that follow the example of the Catholic Church), for claiming to be married to Jesus but whoring around with other pagan gods.

1. Christians are a group.
2. A core doctrine of Christians is to hate sin.
Therefore ..........  Christians are a hate group, as they are all suppose to hate sin.

The reasons they hate sin, or whether it's a good or bad thing is 100% irrelevant to the above logic. OP's statement still stands true.

Is simple straight forward logic so difficult to understand? Why do Christians keep lying that they aren't a hate group?

Logic confirms it. Why is this thread still going? There's no more to discuss.

If that was true, the whole world would be a hate group. Everyone hates something.

But I thought we were discussing hate groups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group)...

"A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society."

And hating sin, is not hating a member of any race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society.

Everyone has opinions and have the right to express it. It's not necessarily hate speech that you're talking about here.

I have many christian friends and they are always very kind and, I think it's completely false that Christians are haters.

I think the word your looking for is human race, not human group. You only have to open up a newspaper to clearly see humans are a very violent hate filled species. But also capable of kind, love and compassion as well of course, or we would never of survived this long.


Well it's probably just sematics. A group of people that hate something in common, is a hate group. What is actually hated is irrelevant.


Still hate.

So you can't admit you were wrong?

Either everyone is a part of a hate group or Christians aren't.

Christians aren't if the definition is based on hating a group of people. If the definition is based on hating anything in common, then everyone on earth is a part of a hate group. An example of everyone hating something in common is everyone hating pain (whether emotional, mental, or physical).

But, but, but...

Christians are a love group as well. Why? Because Christians love to hate sin.

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Because it is mention in the 10 Commandments! :)

Dude, if you like to understand the Bible, especially the New Testament then you have to look at the things from a different perspective. Look at the 1-th Commandment: I am the Lord, your God...

So, if you look from a philosophical way, He tells you that He is your God and that is very important. He don't gives you a order that you should pick Him, but instead He tells you that He is already belongs to you and you are the one that should make the choice.

The same relationship is with you parents. Your father tells you that he belongs to you and that you have a choice to accept that or not. It is very simple, but you have to think deeper if you want to find the answers. Also, when you read the Acts of Apostles you will find a lots of parabolas who have a lot's of message in the background. ;)

"I am the Lord, your God..." doesn't mean that you own God. It means that He owns you.

This doesn't say anything about God belonging to you. Your knowledge about God might belong to you. But if God belongs to you, this doesn't say it.

I have never heard it said, or parents say, that they belong to their children. I have heard it the other way around, where it is stated that children belong to their parents.

Other than that, thank you for the info... from all of us who read it. We might expound various information all day. The correct info that you give is relatively common knowledge among Bible believing people. Why do you offer it? I mean, you could offer any information that you might have. Why this?

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I offer you this because I am sure that you still don't understand the Bible...

Because, if you do, then I am sure that you will not wrote this. It's not enough if you read the Bible only once and think that you understand completely! As you can see in the New Testament, there are a lots of parabolas and metaphors who are connected with your closest ones like the family, friends and even strangers.

"I am the Lord, your God..." doesn't mean that you own God. It means that He owns you.
You see, you didn't even understand my example. God's not owns you or you don't owns him, but He belongs to you because you are an image of Him, He is the father of all fathers. It is you who will accept this or not! If you chose to believe in Him, you will have your salvation! ;)

I hate cookies  :)

I'm glad Bitcointalk always bakes their cookies thoroughly. If they didn't, I might get gooey dough all over the inside of my computer.

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From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/belong?s=t:
You used the phrase "belong to" above. Yet you say that God doesn't own you and you don't own Him. At the same time, the dictionary indicates that "belong to" means ownership.

To be fair, there are many words that the phrase "belong to" is associated with besides direct ownership.

If you are trying to explain something to me, it isn't quite coming across clearly. My question is, why are you trying to explain? But, thank you, if you are truly concerned about my spiritual or mental growth.

God does indeed own us and all things. He made us. He controls all things. He owns us and all things. It will be proven when He gives the righteous people eternal life in Heaven, but damns the wicked people to Hell. I suppose there is a sense that we own God when we receive the things that He does to us, because we will own the happenstance as it happens to us.

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Mate, the whole Bible, especially the New Testament is written on a philosophical way and the only way to understand the words who were spoken by Christ and the Apostles is by using the philosophical view!

You see, you are trying to find the sense in the word... It is the same thing when you past a word on google translate and wait the browser to find you the sense in your sentence! :)

I can see that you have good prior knowledge, but you need to push litter further so can you see the deep meaning of all those parabolas and metaphors. God always give us a choice, 2 roads, but one destiny and it is up to you. You are the one who is responsible for you path. If chose to walk the path of the sinners, you will meet the death and if you choose The Light or Christ you will be already blessed with eternal life!

This, then, is where we have a difference of understanding. Certainly there is philosophy in all the Bible that can be understood by simple understanding. However, this is not the only way for understanding it, nor even the greatest way.

The Holy Spirit is a "person" as we are sentient beings. He opens our hearts and minds to understanding the philosophy that is hidden in the words of the Bible, the philosophy that is not understood by simple mental processes.


Not sure what you mean here. When you say "word," are you talking about some specific word?

And, yes. I often try to find meanings of words that are unclear to me. Don't you do this as well? Or do you simply make up new meanings for words you do not understand?



Why do I need to push further. Why do I need to see some so-called deep meaning? The deepest meaning in the whole Bible (and the whole world) is Jesus salvation, and the whole story surrounding it. That story is evident, clearly, only in the Bible. The Holy Spirit awakens my heart to its meaning when I read and believe the Bible.

When Adam and Eve sinned, they closed the choice for all mankind. Why? Because all mankind come from them. When Jesus worked His salvation, He re-opened the free choice for all mankind. Believing this, is itself the free choice of light that Jesus opened up for us.

Such faith or believing only comes through the reading or hearing of the words in the Bible. That is the only way the Holy Spirit works salvation faith in the hearts of people. Without the Bible, there is no other place that teaches about Jesus salvation in a clear enough way to understand it.

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Burn every Christian church to the ground after trapping the sheeple inside by barring the door.

Hail satan.

The Holy Spirit is a "person" as we are sentient beings. He opens our hearts and minds to understanding the philosophy that is hidden in the words of the Bible, the philosophy that is not understood by simple mental processes.

True! The Holy Spirit is a person who lives in our body, but the moment when you awake that person is the moment when you start to understanding the words that you have been read it from the Bible. The next faze is when you start to practicing. You will never feel The Light if you weren't able to experience that...

Not sure what you mean here. When you say "word," are you talking about some specific word?

That is the point mate! The meaning of the word and the meaning of the word in a sentence is very different! What I am trying to tell you is that you can not decode the words if don't see the meaning of the sentence. :)

Why do I need to push further. Why do I need to see some so-called deep meaning? The deepest meaning in the whole Bible (and the whole world) is Jesus salvation, and the whole story surrounding it. That story is evident, clearly, only in the Bible. The Holy Spirit awakens my heart to its meaning when I read and believe the Bible.

I agree with you, but let me remind you why should go further:

" Listen, I tell you a mystery: we will not all Sleep, but we will all be Changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. I Corinthians 15:51 "

Tell me, are you able to live without food? Hm? :)

The Holy spirit doesn't need awakening. He is constantly trying to work knowledge of Jesus salvation in everyone. Every little piece of Bible knowledge a person gets into himself/herself is part of what the Holy spirit uses to do this work. If the person happens to be weak enough, the Holy Spirit can work His work in them.


I get it. You are talking about taking things out of context, right? You still need to know definitions of words to understand what they mean in context.



We don't know what we will be changed into in that twinkling of an eye. We don't know if there will be food or no food. We don't know how the life will be sustained in any detail. All we know is that God will sustain our lives, initially through Jesus, but possibly in Heaven, without the constant need for Jesus in the ways we need His life here. We simply don't know, as the passage says.

However, that is not the further I meant. There is enough knowledge in the Bible for the Holy Spirit to instruct us for a thousand years. If I go further into some other writings, I may be drawn away from some of the good Bible knowledge, especially if those other writings are spiritual writings. The Bible is the best, and is all sufficient for spiritual training.

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Nuke hatred.

You have a lot of hatred........

There have to be other ways that he can commit suicide.    ;D

The Holy spirit doesn't need awakening. He is constantly trying to work knowledge of Jesus salvation in everyone. Every little piece of Bible knowledge a person gets into himself/herself is part of what the Holy spirit uses to do this work. If the person happens to be weak enough, the Holy Spirit can work His work in them.

The Holly Spirit need awakening with your fate in Him. If you never start to believe in Him, you will never awake the spirit. That's why John says: We will not all Sleep...

I get it. You are talking about taking things out of context, right? You still need to know definitions of words to understand what they mean in context.

Meaning of the word and the meaning in the sentence sometimes can change the meaning of the sentence for 360! :)

We don't know what we will be changed into in that twinkling of an eye. We don't know if there will be food or no food. We don't know how the life will be sustained in any detail. All we know is that God will sustain our lives, initially through Jesus, but possibly in Heaven, without the constant need for Jesus in the ways we need His life here. We simply don't know, as the passage says.

Dude please, don't try to think like that. It is a limited thinking (no offense). I am trying to tell that you need to push your level of consciousness by re-reading the New Testament. I am telling you this from my experience... This is my second time how I read the Acts of Apostles and I constantly discovering something new and I am sure that you can do that same thing! :)

The Holy Spirit never sleeps. He does not need awakening.

If you are using the word "awaken" to mean that we need to awaken to Jesus salvation, and that we can become aware of the Holy spirit and His work He is trying to do in us, then you are correct.

Please pardon me if I don't completely understand what you mean at times. It appears that English is possibly a second language for you. If that is the case, you are doing great with it.


Outside of good law, words often have many meanings. The usage determines which meaning is to be applied, or if the word is being used incorrectly. Okay.


You'll need to give me some example about the way in which reading and accepting the Bible is limited thinking.

Either the Bible says what it says, or it doesn't. And if it doesn't say what it says, then it says something else. If it says something else, how can we know what it says. After all, we only have the Bible expressing what it says.

You totally don't make any sense.



What does "pushing a level of consciousness" mean? You have said this at least twice, now. I have never heard this terminology before. Perhaps it means having faith in Jesus salvation?

And why do I "need" to do it? Jesus saves His faithful people even when they die in their sleep or die when they are unconscious.

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Please pardon me if I don't completely understand what you mean at times. It appears that English is possibly a second language for you. If that is the case, you are doing great with it.

Thanks for you understanding. :)

Either the Bible says what it says, or it doesn't. And if it doesn't say what it says, then it says something else. If it says something else, how can we know what it says. After all, we only have the Bible expressing what it says.

Let me remind you what Christ was tell us... The level I talk with my Apostles is very different from the others. I am trying to teach them in parabolas and metaphors and only those will be able to understand my words. The others should listening and following then and when the time will comes you will know the truth!

And why do I "need" to do it? Jesus saves His faithful people even when they die in their sleep or die when they are unconscious.

Tell me, do you know what is the difference between good, evil and relative?

The people asked Jesus what the works of God are. Read what Jesus replied in John 6:28,29:
Who is the one God has sent? Jesus was metaphorically speaking about Himself.

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The be honest, all religious groups have some kind of hate to one another. Religion is an issue that needs to be solved. Religion itslef is not bad, but it is a delaying condition for man's evolution.

Religion doesn't hate religion. Only people hate, at times.

Religion is stalling man's further devolution. There isn't any evolution. God created everything to work perfectly. Then the devil came and tempted mankind to corrupt the perfection that God made. There has only been devolution since then. Religion is the thing that God uses to stall the devolution somewhat. The atheism religion is one of the religions that hinders God's forestalling of devolution.

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I find religions partly responsible for man's crimes though. When the base holy scriptures of a religion advocate violence, and such violence is advocated by the heads of a religion, then religion does play a role in inciting violence. Christianity has admitted it's mistakes of the past, but largely taken a different path since the "dark times". Islam is another story though, with them, violent radicalism is on the rise now.

The mistakes of Christianity's past lies in the fact that Christians didn't read the Bible and obey it. Rather, they obeyed some joker who said that the Bible says such and such.

Islam is the reverse. The Islamic clerics go against their own religion by telling the people that Islam is peaceful. Muslims obey their clerics, and there is peace rather than the violence that the Islamic writings call for.

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28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Dude, Christ tell us all the time that He have a Father who is the King of the Heaven and that He sent Him here on Earth so He could sacrifice for our sins!

The meaning of the world Christ and all His parabolas and metaphors were about the Light. Because, He is the Light who is with in us. Let me remind you of something:

33Therefore Jesus said, "For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me. 34"You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come." 35

So if Christ is the Light then we have to follow Him if we want to find our peace and salvation! And here how we would all look like when we completely connect with HIM:

" Listen, I tell you a mystery: we will not all Sleep, but we will all be Changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. I Corinthians 15:51 "

Hey, thanks, man.   :)

Hey, you are leaving so soon? :)

We are having debate here about something that we both have read it and my point is... You should give chance to the Yoga and Meditation and read some experience from people who are practicing this thing.

Here, watch this guy and tell what you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojk8mvfkSos

We are having a debate? I didn't realize. Sorry.

I'm not into Yoga. The time Western Yoga takes is simply not what I have. The religious aspects of Eastern Yoga are something that I don't need and am not interested in.

I meditate a lot on the Bible. Of course, meditation with reference to Bible meditation, is not that same as Yoga meditation.

Regarding the video, this is what you mean by consciousness, then. In the Bible, God does not want people to focus on this kind of consciousness, except in the ways that He explains in the Bible, prayer to God, and meditation on the words of the Bible. Why does God want this? Here's why.

Eve in the Garden is a good example. Eve had perfection. In that perfection, she was able to use spirituality and consciousness that we can only dream about. Why? Because she was a perfect being, having the natural control of these things in herself.

What happened to Eve? She was tempted by the devil in the form of a serpent. She couldn't resist the temptation, and she fell out of perfection. Our imperfection is the result.

Further, the Great Flood of Noah's day was God's response to millions of people who used meditation and spirituality incorrectly. Why did they use it incorrectly? Because they were not perfect, being descendants of Eve... even though they were far closer to perfection than any of us today.

The point? We are not able to use spirituality and consciousness any better than Eve or the millions who died in the Great Flood because of their wickedness. We would simply fall into greater imperfection and wickedness by using it, even as it is found in Yoga meditation.

There is one way, and one way only, to use spirituality and consciousness correctly. It is through the words of the Bible, according to the clear and simple directions given in the Bible. This is the only way that it is beneficial for us.

The Bible does not express the things of Yoga light metaphorically. Bible light has to do with Jesus salvation. If Yoga light has to do with Jesus salvation, it is only in a very unclear way. Yoga tends to an imperfection that was similar to that of the peoples before the time of the Great Flood.

However, you are making a good point. With the spread of Yoga light and such, to the people of God in the West, we can see that the return of Jesus will be soon. Matthew 24:36-39, Jesus speaking:

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Before I reply on your answer I wan to ask you something... How can you judge on something that you don't know what is it?

How about this: Did you know that Mohamed was speaking about Christ also?

Now on your reply:

Further, the Great Flood of Noah's day was God's response to millions of people who used meditation and spirituality incorrectly. Why did they use it incorrectly? Because they were not perfect, being descendants of Eve... even though they were far closer to perfection than any of us today.

You should definitely re-read the books of Moses! ;)

Mohamed may have spoken and written something about Jesus Christ, but since his writings do not speak about Jesus salvation, but rather make Jesus out to simply be a prophet like so many others, Mohamed's writing about Jesus is not the important thing about Jesus, the Christ.

You really need to read the New Testament again.

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