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I need to know what the point of spending thousands of US dollars on space trips is meant for. I don't know what we've accomplished and found beneficial to society and the overall growth of human living by having money and such being tossed for the government to send random men up into space. I don't understand why space travel is so necessary. Please tell me how the moon launchings weren't fake, or needed for the human race.

You should read up on some of the great works by Char Aznable.

Earth is merely Humanity's cradle, our next evolutionary step will take place once we rid ourselves from the chains of Earth's gravitational pull.  Sieg Zeon

....How is the country's flag allegedly being on the moon helping us with famine or war? Mass genocide is happening in Iraq and we're more focused on throwing away money so random people can go play in space?

lol i thought of that either.

but i've read an article months ago about possible mining on space. NOT BITCOIN of course but possibly rare elements and stuff.

But why should you care about rocks? Unless they're nuclear rocks that we can use to power the electricity of the entire tri state area, what is the point of that?

The point is research, without research we would still be living in the dark ages. There are uses beyond "putting guy in space",  satellite network provides you with GPS, tv.  If you are wondering about taxes you might as well wonder whats the point of spending thousands of US dollars on mass surveillance  ::)

Is that all you care about?  All humanity should do is worry about powering electricity for the time being? LOL,

WTF does space even have to do with genocide in Iraq?  You are seriously saying we should stop spending billions on space exploration, rather spending it on middle eastern conflict - when we're already spending TRILLIONS to only add fuel to the fire (and we have been for decades)

2/10 trolling for getting me to respond.  If serious, it's too late, there's no hope in saving you.  But I'd recommend ceasing your 'asking questions to every answer to your question' strategy, but instead read a book

No its not all I care about but it's necessary to worry about worldly problems first before tampering with mother nature. Humanity shouldn't just worry about that, but it shouldn't throw away trillions of dollars on research that isn't needed at the moment. We've been doing these moon launchings since 1982. Tell me one good beneficial thing we got out of these launchings.

The world should worry about earthly issues before worrying about doing cart wheels in space.

Research is necessary but only when there's a point. I have yet to be given one beneficial thing society got out of these launchings. Please tell me what we got out them.

why should we care about resolving wars either when we need to have resources through  mining the space. unless you want them to mined your country and exploit it the first.
we can't solve our own country's conflict,  wars is business for them.

Compare this:

Annual budget of NASA: $18 billion
Annual defense budget of the USA: $600 billion

Annual budget of Roskosmos: $2.25 billion
Annual defense budget of Russia: $60 billion

Now tell me which one is wasteful expense here.

Please give works cited, signed and dated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining

You'd have to be a complete moron to not understand why space travel is important, we're running out of resources on earth and there's an absolute abundance of raw materials up in space just waiting to be collected, all we need to do is figure out how to get there and back efficiently and we'll not only be rich but it will benefit mankind as we won't have to worry about consuming any rare materials anymore.

By the way, there's plenty more about this on the web dating back quite far, one asteroid spotted by NASA was estimated to have almost 1 trillion dollars worth of precious metals inside it, this is partly why there are private companies like SpaceX making a move to build rockets now and why having a re-usable rocket that's a lot cheaper than all these expensive government space programs is so important. You also have water on the moon being found and ice in asteroids etc. which means that you could sustain life out there if you had to long term.

http://kearth101.cbslocal.com/2011/07/21/list-stuff-we-use-everyday-that-was-invented-from-the-space-program/

Well, apart from the ISS they´ve given up on circling the earth in low orbit because they´re not even capable of doing that safely so I don´t really see them venturing further afield this century.

Really?  (yawn....)

 Apollo - NASA Manned Lunar Program (1963 - 1972)
Cassini - NASA/European Space Agency Mission to Saturn (1997)
Chandrayaan-1 - ISRO (India) Orbiter to the Moon (2007)
Chang'e 1 - CAST (China) Orbiter to the Moon (2007)
Chang'e 2 - CAST (China) Orbiter to the Moon (2010)
Chang'e 3 - CSNA (China) Lander and Rover to the Moon (2013)
Clementine - DoD/NASA Lunar Mapping Mission (1994)
CONTOUR - NASA Fly-by Mission to three Comet Nuclei (2002)
Dawn - NASA Asteroid Ceres and Vesta Orbiter (2007)
Deep Impact - NASA Rendezvous and Impact with Comet Tempel 1 (2005)
Deep Space 1 (DS1) - NASA Flyby Mission to asteroid 1992 KD (1998)
Deep Space 2 - NASA Penetrator Mission to Mars (1999)
Galileo - NASA Mission to Jupiter (1989)
Genesis - NASA Solar Wind Sample Return (2001)
Giotto - ESA Mission to Comets Halley and Grigg-Skjellerup (1985)
Hayabusa (Muses-C) - ISAS (Japan) Sample Return Mission to Asteroid Itokawa (2003)
Hiten - ISAS Flyby and Orbiter Mission to the Moon (1990)
Huygens - NASA/European Space Agency Mission to Saturn's satellite Titan (1997)
ICE (ISEE-3) - NASA Mission to Comet Giacobini-Zinner (1978)
Kaguya (SELENE) - JAXA (Japan) Orbiter to the Moon (2007)
Luna - Soviet Lunar Missions (1959 - 1976)
Lunar Orbiter - NASA Lunar Mapping Missions (1966 - 1967)
Lunar Prospector - NASA Global Orbiter Mission to the Moon (1998)
Magellan - NASA Venus Radar Mapping Mission (1989)
Mariner 2 - NASA Venus flyby (1962)
Mariner 4 - NASA Mars flyby (1964)
Mariner 5 - NASA Venus flyby (1967)
Mariner 6 - NASA Mars flyby (1969)
Mariner 7 - NASA Mars flyby (1969)
Mariner 9 - NASA Mars orbiter (1971)
Mariner 10 - NASA Mission to Venus and Mercury (1973)
Mars Climate Orbiter - NASA Orbiter Mission to Mars (1998)
Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity - NASA Rover Mission to Mars (2003)
Mars Exploration Rover Spirit - NASA Rover Mission to Mars (2003)
Mars Express - ESA Mars Orbiter and Lander (2003)
Mars Global Surveyor - NASA Global Orbiter Mission to Mars (1996)
Mars Observer - NASA Mission to Mars (1992)
2001 Mars Odyssey - NASA Orbiter Mission to Mars (2001)
Mars Pathfinder - NASA Environmental Survey Mission to Mars (1996)
Mars Polar Lander - NASA Lander Mission to Mars (1999)
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter - NASA Orbiter Mission to Mars (2005)
Mars Science Laboratory - NASA Rover Mission to Mars (2011)
Mars 96 - Russian Orbiter and Lander Mission to Mars (1996)
MESSENGER - NASA Orbiter to Mercury (2004)
NEAR - NASA Rendezvous Mission to Near-Earth Asteroid (1996)
New Horizons - NASA Pluto Kuiper Belt Flyby (2006)
Nozomi (Planet-B) - ISAS (Japan) Orbiter Mission to Mars (1998)
Phobos - Soviet Missions to Mars (1988)
Pioneer Venus - NASA Orbiter/Probes to Venus (1978)
Pioneer 10 - NASA Jupiter flyby (1972)
Pioneer 11 - NASA Jupiter flyby (1973)
Ranger - NASA Lunar Impact Missions (1964 - 1965)
Rosetta - ESA Rendezvous Mission to Comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko (2004)
Sakigake - Japanese ISAS mission to Comet Halley (1985)
SMART 1 - ESA Orbiter to the Moon (2003)
Stardust - NASA Coma Sample Return Mission to Comet P/Wild 2 (1999)
Suisei - Japanese ISAS mission to Comet Halley (1985)
Surveyor - NASA Lunar Lander Missions (1966 - 1968)
Ulysses - NASA/ESA Mission to study the solar wind via Jupiter (1990)
Vega 1 - Soviet mission to Venus and Comet Halley (1984)
Vega 2 - Soviet mission to Venus and Comet Halley (1984)
Venera - Soviet Missions to Venus (1967 - 1983)
Venus Express - ESA Orbiter to Venus (2005)
Viking - NASA Orbiters/Landers to Mars (1975)
Voyager - NASA Missions to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and beyond (1977)
Zond - Soviet Lunar Missions (1965 - 1970)

And what are we gonna do with those precious materials? Pawn them? And then what are the buyers going to do with the materials after they've bought it from the owner? Pawn it again? These materials need to be used for something useful to mankind or they're just sitting around doing nothing. That's why I laughed in my girlfriend's face when she said she wanted me to buy her a diamond ring as an engagement ring. It's not happening. It's pointless and useless and I could just buy her a swavorski ring and lie and say it's a diamond. She wouldn't know the difference.

If you knew the results of research before you were to do it, the research itself wouldn't be necessary.  The point of research is to learn something knew about the world. You may learn new things about the planet or the universe. The problem is most of the research papers are hidden by institutions and copyright laws. You can always question if a certain research needs funding.

When man created the wheel, there was a needed point. He thought he needed to find a way to transport things...

It's not just precious metals and gold and silver isn't just used for Jewellery, it's used plenty often in electronics and dentistry too, but then again, you'd know that if you'd have done your research.

I did do my research. I know that but we already have enough of that so it's pointless to keep looking for more and more.

We don't actually, it's becoming more and more difficult to get this stuff out of the earth nevermind what damage it could do to the environment, soon it's going to be far easier to launch something into space to grab the asteroids, anyway, since you're in denial I won't bother trying to spend hours convincing you.

You're an idiot if you think the moon landings were fake.

Next, there is certainly a way in which rocket launches are essential to putting food on your table.  Because were an asteroid to hit the earth, one effect would be for atmospheric dust to block sunlight for years.  Hence, all crops would die and there would be no food on your table.  Then, you would die.

The only way to prevent you from dying would be to have rockets that could launch, and divert incoming asteriods.  This is an active area of study and research.

That is one reasons space trips are needed for the human race.

There are things what we have to do today and wait for the "rewards" for a long time. Space exploration is one of these things. When you plant a new orchard you might not need it immediately, it's not even useful for years but you know that once in the future you will need fruits from those trees. As I said same thing applies to space exploration. One day it will be very much needed and we must be prepared and must have the necessary technology and knowledge in hand.

It keeps idiots at bay. Simple as that. If idiots understood what space launches do then the industry would be filled with trolling idiots - just like here in this forum.

No space launch, no work, no food. EVERYTHING you do today is because of what satellites are doing up there. They beep boop boop away just so can idiot humans - not necessarily like you - can question their beep boop boop.

Well, people figured out 50 years ago how to put satellites in orbit. I guess that almost no idiot thinks that you need to spend grillions to reinvent that.

What would probably be helpful for some reasonable return on those grillions: NASA figuring out a way to have humans circling the earth safely in low earth orbit. Even better; finding a way to leave low orbit, something they haven´t managed for over 40 years now.

A very good read on revolutionizing space technology, and how/why we need to get to Mars:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html

All written from a SpaceX perspective, but since NASA contracts SpaceX, it's still on topic.

All that is required to leave low orbit is simply to increase velocity.  That's called "a rocket burn."

That's done all the time.

Guess you are wrong yet again.

Pffft, space launches have been feeding psychopaths for over 60 years!

Yes, that's the Musk perspective.  But he's wrong.

What we need on Mars is robotic mini factories, hundreds of them.  Actual industrial infrastructure.  Not people.  People can come later, after all the parts and pieces are in place. 

Advocacy of the same mistake we made with the Moon for Mars does not create a space faring people.

We need a permanent space colony (such as a huge O'Neil cylinder) or surface colonies, as a 'backup' for humanity in the event of cataclysmic destruction on earth.

One big virus or nuclear fiasco and humanity's existence is null and void. Why not take a step off our starting point and move on to level 2?

How much does humanity spend every day on fancy coffee? That expense could probably feed and house most of the world's population and it doesn't even do anything to progress humanity, it just fucks up your body and then emerges again from your phallus or quim.

I disagree, we should start off with a simple unicorn ranching operation then move on from there.

NASA research has been used to create over 30,000 different applications, such as insulin pumps, fire fighting gear, weather satellites that prevent thousands because of forewarned hurricanes, and laser heart surgery. Right now, NASA receives about 13 billion dollars a year, less than .5% of the entire GDP. On the other hand, Churches are tax exempt, and save an average of 73 billion dollars a year. They could feed all of the homeless people in the entire United States each year, and have another 72 billion left over with that 73 billion. I understand that Church does charity and helps the needy sometimes, but if that's the case, then why isn't the Red Cross, whose basis is entirely devoted to helping people, tax exempt? NASA's developments are technological and scientific, helping the entire community, while Churches help those that only believe in them, and can even spew hate against certain people because they are being themselves. If you dare to bring up the argument of NASA's funds should be used somewhere else, then you are obviously oblivious of all the corruption and money spent and lost due to politicians who look into themselves as opposed to their people. Have you ever heard of corruption in NASA? I don't think so.

Yeah, they could probably soon eradicate world hunger with 72 billion dollars a year. You´re right, 13 bn dollars is really peanuts if that´s all NASA gets.

Oh God, leave me alone. All I said was its pointless.

Everyone, all I said was space travel is pointless. Tell me how space travel has benefitted society in terms of production. Tell me how it puts food on the table. Tell me how it's preventing mass genocide. Also to the other person in this thread, tell me when an asteroid ever tried to hit the earth. Please.

People take Hollywood and the Discovery channel too seriously I guess. NASA and those who fund it clearly don´t, fortunately for taxpayers. I doubt that you go to the moon for 13 bn/year, much less Mars. They´re probably doing something useful with that money.

You can tell the same about a most of sciences and arts as well. I guess most stuff what the ancient greek mathematicians invented was as useless for the contemporary peasants and dock workers as space travel in these day for some of us. BTW many things in science what are now parts of our everyday life started their carrier as toys.
Asteroids. The last really significant one hit the Earth about 64 million years ago, and all the dinos went belly up, and we aren't much better prepared than those big lizards. According to Wikipedia rather big meteorites are quite common things (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event)).

Gold is the best conductor.  If gold was plentiful, we would use it in all our electronic wiring and increase efficiency.

Gold is also the best material for a frying pan.

http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-we-have-thanks-to-space-exploration.html (http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-we-have-thanks-to-space-exploration.html)

http://www.universetoday.com/37079/benefits-of-space-exploration/ (http://www.universetoday.com/37079/benefits-of-space-exploration/)

In a time when economic austerity is en vogue, we find ourselves debating what is worth spending money on and what isn’t. Programs have to justify their existence and those programs that are seen as ancillary or superfluous get the ax. Unfortunately, often science that doesn’t have an immediate practical use is seen as fluff and a waste of time and money. In the United States, NASA can be an object of this debate. We should not be exploring the solar system, some say, when we have so many problems on the Earth. This, I believe, is an incredibly myopic point of view that ignores the myriad of technological advances that make our lives longer, safer, and more fun made possible by the space program.

Cell Phone Camera

You know how you basically can’t buy a cell phone anymore without a camera? Yeah, you can thank NASA for that. In the 1960s, engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) first developed the concept of the digital camera. In the 1990s, a team at the JPL worked to create cameras that are small enough to fit on spacecraft while maintaining scientific quality. One third of cell phone cameras contain the technology developed from this research.

Clean Energy Technology

Not every piece of technology is directly applicable to non-space faring activities. But, more often than not, technology developed for space flight is refined to create something useful for us land lubbers. For example, the company that developed the Space Shuttle Main Engine is using the expertise gained to create clean energy technology that would decrease carbon emissions by 10 percent, the equivalent of taking 50,000 cars off the road.

Scratch-Resistant Lenses

In an attempt to find diamond-hard coatings for aerospace systems, the Lewis Research Center contributed to making sunglass lenses more resistant to scratches and spotting. A technique for creating diamond-hard coatings was developed and patented, and in the late 1980s Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. got a license to use the patent. The technique was further developed and later used to make lenses that are scratch-resistant and shed water more easily.

Water Filtration and Purification

Lest you think NASA tech is just used for superficial creature comforts, think again. NASA has contributed quite a lot to the development of water purification technology over the years. Just by necessity, NASA developed ways to filter water for manned space missions. But that’s not all. Water purification technology also helped treat contaminated water after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill off the Gulf of Mexico. Furthermore, technology developed to purify water on Apollo spacecraft is now used to purify dolphin tanks and is an alternative to chemical disinfectants.

CAT Scans

A space program needs a pretty good digital image analysis to locate and measure objects. Digital imaging is the computer processed numerical representation of physical images. The JPL played a lead role in developing this technology. This has proven incredibly useful in a variety of medical technologies, like CAT scanners, radiography and microscopy.

These are just a very few of the derivative technologies that we have thanks to investment in space exploration. You can find many more on the NASA website. But, at the risk of sounding like a new age hippie, these ignore perhaps the most important impact a robust space program can have: inspiration.

Space is undeniably huge and strange and beautiful. It’s a mistake to think of the study of space as esoteric. Billions and billions of years ago, supernovae exploded and littered the universe with the elements necessary to create the Earth and everything on it. We literally owe our existence to dying stars. It’s what Carl Sagan meant when he said that we are made of star stuff. The study of space is the study of us and our place in space and time. These are questions philosophers and theologians have been pondering for millennia, and these questions have answers. All we have to do is invest in finding the answers.

I know of no astronaut who returns from space after seeing the Earth with no artificial borders and advocates that we become more divided, more hostile, or more petty. There is something about knowing that we are on an insignificant pale blue dot in an insignificant galaxy that makes one realize how special life is. And we wouldn’t even have a clue if not for our ability to explore our corner of space.



Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/5-things-we-have-thanks-to-space-exploration.html#ixzz3vpwvLrp6

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program#Legacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program#Legacy)

Science and engineering[edit]
Further information: NASA spin-off technologies
The Apollo program has been called the greatest technological achievement in human history.[92][93] Apollo stimulated many areas of technology.[citation needed] The flight computer design used in both the lunar and command modules was, along with the Minuteman Missile System, the driving force behind early research into integrated circuits.[citation needed] Computer-controlled machining was first used in the fabrication of Apollo structural components.

Cultural impact[edit]
The Earth over the lunar horizon, photographed by the Apollo 8 crew
"Everything that I ever knew – my life, my loved ones, the Navy – everything, the whole world was behind my thumb." –James Lovell
The crew of Apollo 8 sent the first live televised pictures of the Earth and the Moon back to Earth, and read from the creation story in the Book of Genesis, on Christmas Eve, 1968. This was believed to be the most widely watched television broadcast until that time. The mission and Christmas provided an inspiring end to 1968, which had been a troubled year for the US, marked by Vietnam War protests, race riots, and the assassinations of civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., and Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

An estimated one-fifth of the population of the world watched the live transmission of the Apollo 11 moonwalk.[94]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble)
The Blue Marble photograph taken on December 7, 1972 during Apollo 17. "We went to explore the Moon, and in fact discovered the Earth." –Eugene Cernan
An effect of the Apollo program is the view of Earth as a fragile, small planet, captured in photographs taken by the astronauts during the lunar missions. The most famous, taken by the Apollo 17 astronauts, is The Blue Marble.

Many astronauts and cosmonauts have commented on the profound effects that seeing Earth from space has had on them;[95] the 24 astronauts who traveled to the Moon are the only humans to have observed Earth from beyond low Earth orbit, and have traveled farther from Earth than anyone else to date.

According to The Economist, Apollo succeeded in accomplishing President Kennedy's goal of taking on the Soviet Union in the Space Race, and beat it by accomplishing a singular and significant achievement, and thereby showcased the superiority of the capitalistic, free-market system as represented by the US. The publication noted the irony that in order to achieve the goal, the program required the organization of tremendous public resources within a vast, centralized government bureaucracy.[96]

If people wanted to go to space, and spent their own money on it, that might be okay.

As it is, they get grants from government that are paid for by taxation. Taxation is stealing from the people, the same as the fiat banking inflation is.

Up with Bitcoin. Down with fiat.

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Sounds nice, doesn't it... earth is humanity's cradle.

Actually, the opposite is the truth. Earth is humanity's grave.

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Research is all fine and dandy. But there is a whole lot more research that is needed to be done here. Further, researching by using taxation to steal money from people who don't want further research in space, is completely wrong.

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Is that all you think about? Humanity? When it bites close to home, you will become a zealous, selfish hypocrite.

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According to The Economist, Apollo succeeded in accomplishing President Kennedy's goal of taking on the Soviet Union in the Space Race, and beat it by accomplishing a singular and significant achievement, and thereby showcased the superiority of the capitalistic, free-market system as represented by the US. The publication noted the irony that in order to achieve the goal, the program required the organization of tremendous public resources within a vast, centralized government bureaucracy.[96]

Yeah, yeah much like the gigantic war scams  ;D

Except NASA probably can keep books on their receipts and outlays being the brainboxes that they are

something that the Pentagon won´t be capable of any time soon. Set up to be an accounting fail - obviously.

The volume of the earth is about 260,000,000,000 cubic miles of material - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_physical_characteristics_tables. The earth has all the elements we need. It is right under our feet. Going to space is simply an excuse for taxation, since we have everything we need right here.

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Forget it. So much of this is pure baloney and hogwash. You will never get them into court under oath on the stand to admit most of this stuff.

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Good. Research and use the earth before trying to do silly things like developing methods for space exploration. We have the earth right here. Before we can explore space, we have to develop the methods to get beyond all that emptiness.

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Great. If you want to spend all kinds of your money on space exploration, do it. Stop taxing me to do something that I consider stupid.

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Yet the proof shows that they were fake. What does that make you?

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That retard (which I don´t read - for understandable reasons) of course missed that I was obviously referring to human beings circling the earth safely.

Space launchings keep a bunch of people employed doing stupidity when they could be employed doing something useful.

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He was talking about making a profit off all that expense of sending rockets up there.

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For once you have a great point!

+1

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Why do you even care? Are you such a philanthropist? You'll be dead and gone long before we will be in the black from space exploration. In fact, profit over expense will probably never happen.

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I wasn´t aware that manned spacecraft had left low earth orbit (apart from returning to earth) for over 40 years now. Maybe that moron has other information.

Right. And it is a whole lot more pleasurable than watching some goofballs taking off in a rocket when that same money could be spent on feeding the poor.

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The whole thing is based on corruption. All those inventions serve to make money for the wealthy, when the money could have been used to get rid of the actual problems that the new research simply relieves the symptoms of.

In the '50's, we were told that we would be on the moon in a decade. But the idea wasn't just the moon. It was moon bases, with trips to the moon on a daily schedule.

The whole space thing is designed to rape people (figuratively) and steal money from them.

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Spendy is a government paid troll, whether he knows it or not.

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So, let's mine more gold on earth... not go blasting off for it where we don't know for any kind of a fact that it might exist.

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I see your point. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we developed all that technology for the practical purposes? Think of how much money and time we could save if we didn't waste any of the money on stupid space stuff.

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Right! And now the Russians are upset because they had the wool pulled over their eyes by this moon flight charade just like all the rest of us.

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We need scientists to find cures for illness and prevention but we don't need them making bombs and rockets. When the world is out of raw materials which I highly doubt will ever happen in the near future, only then can we shoot ourselves up into space to find more materials to work with. Right now, we're fine.

It's just a way for government to hire people and give them job, because they can print limitless money

Producing consumable goods is already over-saturated by large enterprises. I think faster and safer travel service is more interesting, and medical research to cure cancer is also worth looking

Isn't it funny that there is always something from NASA once a month or so about NOTHING on the News. As if they are developing something that is ground-breaking ultimate technology that will help stop World Hunger. Nah.  News Media: "Today, NASA said they found a Earth-like planet 10 TRILLION miles away and that it has water but made out of CHEESE."

Yes. Stupid NASA. They suck up all our tax money, and they don't produce anything that is even an approximate return on the money.

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CONGRESS WANTS NASA TO CREATE A DEEP SPACE HABITAT BY 2018
THE NEXT BIG STEP TOWARDS SENDING HUMANS TO MARS

By Sarah Fecht  Posted December 29, 2015

NASA may dream of sending humans to Mars in the coming decades, but the fact remains that nobody's really sure how we'll survive the journey or set up camp on the red planet.

The Orion spacecraft that will drive astronauts to Mars has a diameter that's about the length of a pickup truck. That's not a lot of space when you consider the astronauts' journey to Mars will take at least 6 months.
In order to not go totally bonkers, Mars-bound astronauts will need a larger place to live, complete with private quarters and exercise equipment. NASA envisions the Orion capsule could link up to a habitation module in space, but right now they have no idea what that module could look like. And who knows what the astronauts will live in once they get to Mars.

Now SpaceNews says that a report attached to the recent omnibus spending bill has allocated funds for NASA to figure it out. The bill orders NASA to spend at least $55 million to develop a habitation module for deep space exploration, and to have a prototype ready by 2018.
That would be great timing, since NASA wants to test out its new space habitat around the moon in the 2020s before sending it to Mars in the 2030s.

However, whether NASA could have something ready by 2018 seems debatable. At this point, the agency pretty much has a blank slate as to what the habitat would look like and how it would function. Shielding astronauts from space radiation while also maintaining a light weight will be one of the major challenges.

Thus far Bigelow Aerospace's inflatable habitat stands out as a frontrunner--a test version of the habitat will soon be deployed on the International Space Station. SpaceNews reports that NASA has also awarded funds to Boeing, Lockheed, Martin, Orbital ATK, and other companies to look into potential habitat designs.

It looks like NASA will have to step up its game, and fast. The report requires NASA to come back with a status update about how it has distributed funds within 180 days of the bill becoming law, which happened on December 18.
[Via SpaceNews]

http://www.popsci.com/congress-wants-nasa-to-get-working-on-deep-space-habitat

Yes, stupid NASA wastes our monies. They are monitoring asteroid courses, launching satellites so we can watch TV anywhere in the world and use mobile phones. Who needs that? We need food on our tables!  
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Well, they don´t need billions of dollars for that. Anyway, I could watch TV and use mobile phones anywhere long ago so I guess that´s fully covered.

Yes, that takes billions of dollars.

TV anywhere?  How?  Over the TV towers that have mostly all been taken down?  Over the Internet, which has key satellite data links?

:D Yes! Because we need to know there's a planet made of cheese! Knowing that changed my income.





...it changed my life. It made it better.  ;D

You can sit down, and think about what you just said because you don't know how the majority of cellphones work. We don't need that fancy shmancy sattelite in space.

Not all of the towers were taken down. I can still use both my phones that work on CDMA and GSM.

I guess the satellite launching business was getting pretty crowded what 15 years ago? Sooner? At any rate it ceased to be much of rocket science or brain surgery if you will, long ago. Almost nobody can be dumb enough to believe that you need billions of dollars in the year 2015 to launch communication satellites.

Ah it's you again  ;D
NASA has a very high ROI. It makes back all the money put into it and more:
http://www.nss.org/settlement/nasa/spaceresvol4/newspace3.html

A huge number of modern technologies were invented by the Space Program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

Exactly how would you have the slightest clue about whether or not NASA "makes back all the money put into it".

Uhhh because it's right in the article I linked... Independent studies have shown NASA has a very significant ROI. Here kiddo I'll spoon feed you:

"Estimates of the return on investment in the space program range from $7 for every $1 spent on the Apollo Program to $40 for every $1 spent on space development today."

If you believe in cutting back on wasteful government spending then I'm right there with you, but NASA barely even gets a budget and makes the paltry sum it uses back.

Here are just some of the technologies NASA invented or improved:
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html
These technologies have saved countless lives.

Hm, interesting. Thank you for that info. Going back to my other thread topic though, are the lives that were saved useful and beneficial lives to society? After all, we don't want Snooki lives being saved.

Yeah, independent studies and experts. Not sure how seriously I can take all that. And I doubt that the stuff that NASA is supposed to have invented wouldn´t have been invented anyway if it´s so crucial, hugely profitable  and life saving. But at this point I think they really need to re-invent a way for man to venture safely out of low earth orbit. They haven´t managed that for over 40 years now and I guess in a few decades more the people that fund this organization will be getting tired of waiting.

::) Yes, you'll be happy to know that many of the lives saved were of individuals who were otherwise able bodied and functional and useful to society.  ;D

For example the digital signal processing used in CAT and MRI scans was innovated by NASA

"Not sure how seriously I can take all that." Then don't, live in a parallel universe where NASA never invented or contributed anything. "And I doubt that the stuff that NASA is supposed to have invented wouldn´t have been invented anyway if it´s so crucial, hugely profitable  and life saving." Well that's only an opinion, and even if that's true, NASA still made back the money it used.

NASA makes tons of money off patents alone but can't keep it because that money goes to the treasury They also can't commercialize the products they make.

"But at this point I think they really need to re-invent a way for man to venture safely out of low earth orbit. They haven´t managed that for over 40 years now and I guess in a few decades more the people that fund this organization will be getting tired of waiting."

IIRC, NASA has had a shoestring budget since the Apollo days and like I said before, they can't keep the patent money they make.

Well, in my parallel universe technology doesn´t go backwards. Here they don´t go to the moon, then spend some time circling the earth in low orbit, then even stop that and start figuring out how to survive radiation in outer space. No, here technology always move forwards. We just keep getting better everything.

A Force Field for Astronauts?
         
Researchers are reviving an old but wild idea to protect astronauts from space radiation.


June 24, 2005: Opposite charges attract. Like charges repel. It's the first lesson of electromagnetism and, someday, it could save the lives of astronauts.
NASA's Vision for Space Exploration calls for a return to the Moon as preparation for even longer journeys to Mars and beyond. But there's a potential showstopper: radiation.
Space beyond low-Earth orbit is awash with intense radiation from the Sun and from deep galactic sources such as supernovas. Astronauts en route to the Moon and Mars are going to be exposed to this radiation, increasing their risk of getting cancer and other maladies. Finding a good shield is important. ...

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/24jun_electrostatics/

Well as I said before, NASA budget was drastically slashed after Apollo Program effectively neutering its pioneering spirit.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-04-30-Presentation1-thumb.jpg

And to add insult to injury, it can't even make its own money because again, it can't keep its patent revenue or sell commercial products. Even so, despite everything, NASA has still managed to develop new technologies in recent years.


How is this a step backwards? Several astronauts on the Apollo program have died from cancer. That was a short-term mission. A long-term mission to the Moon or Mars is a one-way ticket to malignant tumors and empty hair follicles. Why wouldn't they want to research into how to prevent this?

Well, they can´t claim to have been unaware of space radiation and its harmful effects 45 years ago, right? Has it been proven that those astronauts died from a cancer linked to that radiation? I guess they´re still dying from regular old age at least some of them.

It is a technological step backwards if you send men to the moon and bring them back and then show no signs of being able to repeat that feat for half a century. Who know, maybe someone will be wondering in half a century more when they´ll get out of low earth orbit.

They knew about the radiation but went through with the missions anyway because the doses weren't lethal for the amount of time they spent outside the magnetosphere. They were dangerous amounts, but not immediately deadly. "Has it been proven that those astronauts died from a cancer linked to that radiation? " Well you can't really prove it because only 24 astronauts left lower-earth orbit so the sample size isn't great. But, food for thought, the odds of a man dying from leukemia is 7.0 per 100,000 and leukemia is the form of cancer most commonly associated with radiation. Alan Shepard went on Apollo 14 and he died of leukemia. In addition many Apollo astronauts got cataracts believed to be caused by radiation: http://emmrem.unh.edu/papers/general/cataracts.pdf

If they had been on a length months/years long mission to Mars or spent that amount of time on the Moon, they'd've probably died.

As far as I can tell 17 of those 24 are still alive which isn´t a bad average since they´re all 80+ years old, I guess.

True but like I said, the amount of radiation they received during a short mission wasn't enough to be catastrophic to their health (for most of them). Also, the people chosen as astronauts are exceptionally healthy and fit so most of them live pretty long and they probably get really great healthcare.

The most damning evidence against the Moon Landing Hoax Conspiracy is that Russia, China, India, and Japan have all sent probes to the Moon and taken pictures of the Apollo landing sites. If the Lunar Landings were a hoax why didn't the USSR show everyone? Can you imagine the amount of prestige the US would lose in the eyes of the world if they faked the landings? It'd be great news for the Soviets.

Where are those pictures? I saw some supposedly recent NASA pictures that were frankly laughable. Looked like they were taken in the seventies. I guess it´s another example of their backwards technology. If over 40 years isn´t enough for them to produce pictures of the vehicles they left there I´ll have to doubt that they´re parked up there at all.

I'll find them for you after I get some sleep. It's really late where I am and I'm tired lol

All right, no problem, There´s no hurry, we´ll be here tomorrow.

According to many opinions and calculations, even the small couple of minutes that it takes astronauts to go through the Van Allen Belts that surround earth is enough to fry anybody.

:)

Alright I'm back:
Hmm I stand corrected on other countries taking pictures of landing sites directly. None of the pictures and data are exactly beautiful because most of the data is from orbital probes rather than landers. The SELENE lunar probe launched by JAXA (Japan's space program) and Chandrayaan-1 (launched by India's space program) were not equipped with cameras powerful enough to photograph the sites. They did however record lighter colored disturbed soil in the area of the Apollo 15 lander, likely kicked up when it landed. The Soviet Union and several other countries tracked the Apollo Missions the by radar on their way to the moon and back. The Chinese have landed several probes on the moon but all the pictures they took are classified.

The only probe to take decent pictures of the landing site was the LRO which was launched by NASA, although the data and camera were under the control of various third party groups including some universities. Even the planted flags were visible, except on the Apollo 11 mission site which matches Buzz Aldrin's story which is that the flag was knocked over by exhaust when they left.

Hopefully this project will get some pictures: http://lunar.xprize.org/



Which is why they avoided the most radioactive parts of the belt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4
http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts

Please explain to us, then, what exactly those huge moon rockets DID.

What did Apollo 8 do?  Where did it go?
Did Apollo 13 actually have three guys in it?
What actually happened to Grissom and his companions?
What was the actual path of the Apollo 16 vehicle?  Start with low earth orbit, and then the transfer to lunar orbit, and the supposed landing and return. 
Where did the "Moon rocks" come from, if guys did not go to the Moon and bring them back?

"Repeat a feat?"

Neither science, astrophysics or space science has as any of it's goals "repeating a feat."

No, YOU explain it. Because those guys couldn't have gone through the Van Allen Belts and lived.

:)

Play baby! You pick on a few words just to cover up the fact that we were promised throughout the '50s and '60s a living habitat on the moon - a moon base where we could go and live and visit - which we don't knowingly have even now.

There might be some diabolic reason for this gigantic NASA scam. But the closer we examine the space program, the more we see it is a scam. And now they are trying to do it again, just to screw a new generation.

:)

Sorry dude but the rockets travel in an arc and go into the ocean and the moon rocks are just petrified wood.

I found my next project:
http://www.diyspaceexploration.com/how-to-build-your-own-personal-satellite/

Why did they always say you need to be a rocket scientist?  ???

All these anti science fundamentalist here you go build your own satellite :)

Sure, and the little cones that came ploughing into the air on parachutes, that had guys in them, that were picked up by helicopters and taken to ships, those guys were from.....

?

... wouldn't have been there if we hadn't wasted all that time and money on stupid moon shots, that didn't go anywhere, but were designed to deceive the people, just so NASA could get some more money.

It worked well the first time, let's do it again with the new generation that was never told all that stuff that the old generation must have forgotten by now. After all, we need to get our money.

:)

So....now where did the Moon Rocks come from?  You know, rocks that any geologist can look at, or which you and I can look at under a high power microscope, and immediately recognize features that are not possible for a rock made on Earth to have?

Where exactly did those rocks come from, and how?  Did the Apollo astronauts stay in LEO, and robot probes go to the Moon and bring them back?

I think if you want to believe in the conspiracy theory, you have the responsibility of working it all out so that it makes sense.  To do this you'd have to learn a great deal about space science and the Apollo program instead of just wallowing in ignorance.

The Apollo program is one of the most detailed things in the modern era.  Every transcript, film photograph, audio, everything is available and on the web. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUXdpbtLCs

Amateur radio hobbyists pointed their equipment toward the Moon and picked up the conversations.  How did that happen?

Have fun trying to figure it all out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1WoZzeXWs

It surprises me to see so many of the educated posters here arguing against the space missions. So far, the space missions have created trillions of USD in profits for the human civilization (through various inventions) when compared to the total cost of a few hundred billion USD. In future also, space missions will prove extremely useful to the human civilization. Imagine what would happen if some inhabitable exoplanet is found near the solar system. The overpopulation problem of the earth can be resolved if it happens. Or imagine the scenario in which some complex mineral is found in a remote corner of our universe, which can provide an infinite source of electricity. 

Actually, in a way, the very incredulous of the critics is proof and evidence of why the missions should not just continue but expand.  People that just shake their head in dumb disbelief, saying...

"There's no way man can do that!  It's impossible! <<blah blah blah>>"

We need to stretch the limits of the envelope more, and have more people disbelieving that things that were done through science and engineering couldn't possibly have been done.

The problem is most of these launchings are funded by governments.
If the private sector found a way to explore space and make profits out of it, most people wouldn't be complaining.

If nobody went to the moon, how would we know what moon rocks were supposed to look like? Ever heard of metorites? In addition, not every geological formation on earth has been discovered. Earth is that large.


And lots of them have been shown to have been faked.



What's to figure? You never heard of bouncing radio signals off the atmosphere? The set-up for this would be easy for someone with NASA funds.

:)

I say decrease aid to africa and increase space budget

Really can't do this. Should increase funds to Africa and to the space program. Here's why. We need all the funds spending we can get, within certain parameters.

We have a debt money system. All important funds are borrowed from the banks. Even (especially?) government funds. Then, one way or another, after they have done their job, the funds are used to pay the interest on all the loans the banks have lent over the years.

If we didn't have any borrowing for things like Africa, the space program, the wars, medical BS, etc., then we wouldn't have enough money to pay back the loans to the banks, and the banks would foreclose on the world.

At the very least, borrowing for all those programs so that we have funds to pay the interest, keeps the nations stable for the moment. At some point the banking Ponzi will collapse. Are we ready for it? Is Bitcoin strong enough to take over?

:)

It's probably been covered, but I just discovered the thread.

You want one thing, or a few thousand? I'll give you just one for now.

The device you're reading this on. the technology that it was developed from was a direct line of descent from the Apolo project.

Humanity NEEDS to grow up. One world is not enough. We have an open ended reproductive strategy and will eventually overpopulate this planet to the point of extinction of our species. This is inevitable if we do not find REAL solutions. One of those solutions is to colonize near space, and eventually, deep (interstellar space). Granted, "Flag and Footprint" missions are essentially pointless, but that was really a long time ago. I was 9 months old the first time that was  done. What we discovered there, political imperatives aside, is that the moon isn't a real good target.

But Mars is. It has everything we need to establish an offworld home, and it's low gravity makes it an ideal launch point for bigger and longer missions.

While I disagree with the "tax supported" model, I think that there is little in our history with as much importance as the exploration and development of extraterrestrial space.

But even this is poorly understood as you see when for example, otherwise intelligent people on this forum, such as Galdur, argue that we should "do it again," and that our space programs are inferior to those of yesterday, where we put men on the Moon.   A long and complex strategy with indirect benefits, many of which appear decades later, is not exactly easy to comprehend.

The truth is that today's space programs are so far advanced over those of the Apollo era that it is barely comprehensive - and few people know it.

Just one example - we have mapped Mars, and the Moon, down to every rock the size of a football.  (LRO, MRO).  In the era of Apollo, this would have been laughed at.  The very idea of a digital 3d map did not exist.  Large computers may have had 4,096 bytes of memory, which did not support conceptualization of the potential of computers with 32 GB of memory and so forth.

Also remember that for the Moon, when we talk about mapping it "from orbit," there is no problem with flying the spacecraft down closer to the surface than jets fly on earth.  There is no atmosphere, so this is not an issue at all.

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

---Red Hot Chili Peppers

Space is science-fiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

This old music video by Peter Schilling captures the divergent views discussed in this thread....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Hs2AQwDgA

Space Oddity performed by Commander Chris Hadfield.

Can you watch this and honest say this isn't a professional actor/performer on a set with a production crew?

Huh?  Hatfield has been doing music a long time.  Along with being a fighter pilot, astronaut and having other talents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hadfield

Columbus should have burn his ships too so there would not be USA in existence now  :)

From https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091020131529AAoowc3 (Who discovered America before Columbus?):

From http://www.history.com/news/the-viking-explorer-who-beat-columbus-to-america (The Viking Explorer Who Beat Columbus to America):

:)

The practical purposes are not very clear, but mankind has to aim higher and learn from the universe to enter a new age. Space travel is very very new, so there is a lot to learn. And remember that a lot of inventions and new technology, especially for computers was actually developed in space missions, so just think about that. It's just like asking why there are scientists working on weird experiments, well sometimes that can be applied for something else completely, but research must be done without a particular goal in mind, it's just for the benefit of all mankind.

Yet, it just doesn't seem right.

A bunch of shrewd bankers figure out a debt money system, so that NASA can borrow money to do whatever, and the people of the world are brought into the banker Ponzi, causing many nations to have big problems, while the nation where the bankers hang out receives good.

We may throw a few lives, and a little equipment at Mars and beyond, but the undertaking is so huge that it will take the resources of the world to make it mean anything. Meanwhile the slaves in the 3rd world nations are in poverty, and even the States are going down... all so that the bankers can loan money for ridiculous space ventures.

:)

As an outsider, I must suggest that the reason things don't seem right to you is, you looking at things through a lens of wrongness.  Just take everything you think and reverse it to get correct understandings.

:)

We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

Asteroids.

The sun is a medium aged star.
Humans have had their run on planet earth.
Evolution will get us faster than the sun turning into a red giant.

We're a very young species. Our run has barely begun, and we'll likely be the first off this rock. Yes, we will evolve faster than the sun will, but why restrict it to one planet or star system? Our successors will remember us this time, unlike all other species that we are aware of.

I almost feel sorry for you guys that you're so misled by the lies NASA and the establishment has fed you via the media, the education system and peer pressure. Take some time to look at the images you're presented with and see that they're less credible than a badly hoaxed UFO photo. Because hoaxed pictures and the word of liars and psychopaths is all you've got.

The Earth is flat and we're covered by an artificial dome that keeps the water out. I can prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. ...and for dog's sake turn off the fucking television it's totally fucking your minds!

Hmm... Humans have been around in the current form for more than 2 million years.
So I wouldn't call our species young.
Plus we seem to be intent on destroying ourselves (and the planet).
With all the radiation we have unleashed, some mutation (and evolution) must already be taking root.

You've been lied to on this too, human have been around less than 20,000 years. Also man isn't intent on destroying himself, the elites cause the wars and the problems as a means of control. And finally while things do evolve over time man was engineered by whoever build the dome above our heads.

Estimates vary, but modern humans appear to be younger than that. Hominids, definitely. But even given that, Crocodilians are over 65 million years old, and still quite successful.

to address the rest, I think it's not so much that we're intent on destroying the planet (or at least it's ecosphere), as that we make mistakes. We solve a problem, crudely, and that creates more problems, which we also solve, with greater and greater degrees of accuracy, and in so doing create new ones and so on. If we can get it together enough on the ecosphere, we'll do alright. But we still have the problem of being ABLE to destroy most life on the surface of the planet. Which, in turn, illustrates the value of space exploration.

Now don't get me wrong, I am NOT in favor of tax supported space exploration. I believe that a far less egregious use of the ill gotten gains of the taxman than starting and maintaining pointless wars with no end, but it's still attained by theft. But companies like SpaceX and Virgin Galactic? They're doing it right, monetarily. Selling the risk to those WILLING to invest, and developing viable strategies. I think a mars colonization project could be funded in that very manner, and I KNOW that it's a valuable exercise. Colonizing mars is NOT trivial, but it is well within our technological capabilities, and it is a far better platform for further exploration and exploitation of space, for multiple reasons. (I can go into those at length should anyone be interested, but in the interim I recommend the book "The Case for Mars" by Dr. Robert Zubrin. While I disagree with some of his plan, I don't disagree with much of it. It's a very good read.

I can't argue with the last sentence, so I won't :D

As stated in my previous post, it appears that modern humans are about what you stated, but hominids do appear to be around 2 million years old.

well the Apollo program put food on 350 000 tables.

http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/7528/The-Apollo-program-created-more-than-350-000-jobs (http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/7528/The-Apollo-program-created-more-than-350-000-jobs)

You guys might as well be arguing about how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin. The psychopaths are far more intelligent than you can imagine and they're very good at math. Nothing they tell you is true, it's all science fiction when it comes to anything you can't see for yourself like the shape of the earth, space, history, etc...

The high priests of science have totally fucked your minds!

Put a camera in a helium balloon and you will see the earth is round  :)

Zubrin does basically have a method figured out for colonizing Mars, but he oversimplifies industrial processes that may be transported to and used on the planet.

In his view, and those of many advocates of space, the goal is to put people there.

In my view, the goal is to create the self supporting ecosystem which will allow the putting of people there.

We haven't even been able to do that on ISS.  Of course these are interrelated goals.  My opinion is we should have thousands of robots on Mars building things, and establishing viable industrial processes, before moving humans there.  Think in terms of the minimum size of a self sufficient industrial infrastructure.  Assume complex machines and electronics would have to come from Earth for a long time.

I guess I fall in the middle. I think that most of the colony building process should indeed be automated, with machines building bigger machines, etc. But there should also be a team of humans there for when the machines break.

You completely missed my post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4
They can and did survive the Van Allen Belts by avoiding the most dangerous parts of it. You realize the belts aren't perfect spheres right? Some parts are far more radioactive than others.

Lol, hope I'm not missing your sarcasm. All these reptile bashing conspiracy nuts are borderline crazy. Do you really think a conspiracy like those you mention will stand years and years of secrecy? Someone always talk, look at Snowden, it just leaks out eventually. Do you think the Russians would let that "hoax" happened? Their whole empire crashed down more or less because of the moon landing. If it were that easy to disprove, then countless of scientists from all over the world will do it and the show is over.

Yeah. Conspiracy nut jobs don't seem to understand that conspiracies can only get so big. After a certain point, people will inevitably start blabbing. Also, why would the US fake the moon landings? If they got caught, America's reputation would be instantly trashed.

Everyone in the world would lose their respect for America. The US couldn't afford to have such a scandal, especially during the Cold War.

This has been done and it's flat.

Many of the technologies developped for space (and by proxy the army) helps actually put food on the table, I can mention hundrends if not thousands of innovations that allows today to live confortably, but lets just take one example, telecommunications : satellites, radio technology....

The other thing is that earth ressources are limited, hence at some point we will be forced to get ressources outside of earth, not to mention. And it's not only about ressources but our survival as a species, who knows, tomorow we might be hit by a similar asteroid that finished the Dinosaurs off...

Really? Like the guy from Redbull space dive? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Stratos. The earth was flat then? Redbull is on it too? It was all photoshopped? Of course, it must be a company run by reptiles.

It's called a wide angle (fisheye) lens you knob.

Oh that was all it took to fool the world! You guys are visionaries! the real MPVs!

I think NASA should be shut down and spend all that money on bombing civilians instead  :)

I'm sure team psychopath is grateful to have such a gullible idiot as yourself on-board.

You are definitely notbatman because your "comebacks" suck. The only thing that I can concede you guys is that photos from space are always low quality or just cgi/renders. To this day I don't understand how we don't have some amazing space scenery that shows satellites, aircraft, the sun, the earth from the earth, it's basically always the same picture from 20 years ago, same form mars, we send lots of equipment but to see how the actual planet looks we need to watch "The Martian".

Mars is mapped by MRO down to a pixel per half meter or so.  Yes, the entire planet.

Yes, all the pictures are available.

Oh, please.

I've been at 22,000 feet in a Piper Archer II, and the curvature of the earth is OBVIOUS. Hell, even at 7000 feet, the service ceiling of a Quicksilver ultralight, the curvature is obvious.

I'm really speechless. You genuinely need help if you're this nuts (unless you're just trolling in which case good job).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1318814/Luke-Geissbuhler-son-send-weather-balloon-100-000ft-space-capture-amazing-video-footage.html

I'm not denying that, just saying there's a lack of high resolution or HD video from space missions, not only Mars. I'm not sure if there's something technical involved or what, but most of the space scenery comes from movies.

"Living in a fisheye lens, caught in the camera eye, I have no heart to lie! I can't pretend a stranger is a long awaited friend."

Got tired of trying to recover from Black Arrow? Or just trolling for fun?

And I thought he was going to say something like >>>>

1. consider the distance from the camera to the horizon;
2. the angle is showing a flat earth through distortions in the lens that are not apparent at close range;
3. this proves flat earth, not disproves it.


You can't fight a religion. They have themselves a religion. And what they are looking for is government funding as a minority group. You can tell by the emotional response in many (all?) of their videos and audios. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if their whole program wasn't set in place by government, because government needs an excuse to borrow so that they ultimately get more funds to pay the interest on their previous loans from the Federal Reserve Bank.

If you absolutely proved that the earth was round, these jokers would say something to the effect that, the earth seems round because of strange physics that exists for everyone who actually offers round earth proof. Therefore the earth is always flat, but especially when it is proven to be round.

People have too much time on their hands these days. When you look at some of the weird videos on the net, videos that include selfies from all kinds of people who are playing, what can you expect? Maybe war coming to Europe and America as ISIS spreads will bring some of these people down to the round earth. Of course, many of them are so far gone that they are almost to the edge of the flat earth where they will fall off. I hope some of them take high powered radios with them so they can report back what the fall is like.

 ;)

Anybody who examines the globe earth theory with any level of scrutiny and still believes it is a fucking retard, the globe model is absolutely ridiculous.

So when we bounce a laser off the top of the dome, how high up does it tell us the dome is? 

Also, please help out - how far can we sail a ship without falling off?  Can we park our boat on the edge, toss a net over the edge, and catch bunches of fish?

How about satellites and airplanes? When we get to see first images taken from the bottom side of the flat earth?  :)

I am in favour of private space launches as well.
I however think that the objective would be prospecting for rare earth metals, rather than space colonization.

I want to go on over to the other side.  You know there has to be reverse gravity there.  That means there would be reverse taxation there.  THey'd pay me.

And there'd be reverse drunk.  You'd be stoned all the time, and to sober up drink a sixpack.

I think you might need a TARDIS to get there, given those conditions :D

Ftfy

If you plan on going sailing here's a map of the world:


https://i.imgur.com/vx37mkB.png
Download the full-size (31.4 MB) map here ---> https://i.imgur.com/O8IpMmi.jpg


As you can see the Antarctic ice ring is the limit to how far you can sail. But don't plan on going there any time soon as the Antarctic Treaty System is in place and you'll be met with military force if you try and sail anywhere near Antarctica.

So google maps is a hoax?  :)

Why not ask Mike Hearn, he works on Google Maps for them.

A religion of fear?

Note the coastal length of the United States in the diagram, above. Compare it with the coastal length of Antarctica. The United States can't even protect its own boarders from individual "invaders." There is no way that such a large Antarctica coast could ever be protected. If the flat earth in the diagram were real, loads of people would have expressed it throughout past years. In addition, there is nothing like the idea of protecting those borders from invasion by anyone... except by accident.

The thing that has happened over the years is that the borders of Antarctica have been proven by seafarers to be just what they would appear to be with a round earth.


Now, here is the question.

Are flat earth people simply a bizarre religious group, hanging onto the old ways of the Roman Catholic Church?

...or...

Are they a group that is trying to become a minority group in the eyes of governments so that they can start to collect free funds?

...or...

Are they really a group that is being set in place by the U.S. and/or other governments for some purpose that we are not sure of?


Whatever the truth is, flat earth doesn't stand up against real scrutiny. However, we have warm, loving, "home environments" set in place for "special" people such as these.

:)

Except this was by ordinary people. Go strap a camera to a weather balloon and take pictures yourself. No fisheye lens required.

No, you know what, you don't even need to do that, just sit by a harbor and watch distant ships approach. The top of the ship will be visible while the rest still appears to be beneath the sea (because of the curvature of the Earth). I've witnessed it myself and so can you.

No you won't. People travel to Antarctica all the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica

Don't make me laugh, you can see the curvature from the wide angle lens when the balloon is 20' off the ground.  :D

Ships going over the horizon as proof of a globe ROFL. I'm sorry but you've gone full retard, go learn about how perspective works.

The more logical a religion is, the less it is of a religion, and the more it is of a science - real science, not what passes for science via popular opinion of what science is.

You have a great religion. You have strong faith. Now if you could only change the direction of your faith towards something that was logical. That would be of great benefit for you.

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"Tourism companies are required by the Antarctic Treaty to have a permit to visit Antarctica." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica

Individuals are not required if they own their own boat. They can sail all the way around Antarctica unhampered in any way, as long as they maintain distance and don't land.

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ISS is a hoax too? Is this live feed a hoax? Answer me since you seem to know so much  :)

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream)

Can you guess what my answer to this question is?

I'll give you a hint: psychopaths lie about everything.

The space launchings can be compared to the weapons race back in the 70's and 80's - the US wants to be the first, bu the Russians, Chinese and Indians wants to.

While it is true that the major definition of "lie" includes the intent to express falsehood, the definitions also include expressing falsehood without intent. Many religions lie. How do you know that your flat-earth religion isn't the lie, since you do not have nearly the complete science for it as round-earth people have for theirs?

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"Space Stupidity: Chris Actfields Fake Life"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItsuIdUqxq8

Well, if you did want to send people to Mars, it might just be useful to have an experience base with men and women living in space for six month periods.  Like in the ISS....

There are no men living in space.

#ISSHOAX

Got it.  Nothing up there but goats.

Nope, now countries have realized that quite a bit of money is being spent on these programs with no tangible benefits.
In the past, there was pride attached to space programs. Now countries have realized that it doesn't matter.

The Troll is strong with this one... You can see ISS with a strong pair of binoculars.

You honestly think a 350' object is visible at a distance of 250 miles with a pair of binoculars?

We need to conquer another moon. That is definitely why.

I hope NASA will be shut down so that Chinese and Russians can put all kinds of weaponry orbiting above the US  :)
Then US can't no longer do what ever it wants.

What, would you like someone to explain to how the total lumen count of said object, and its apparent brightness at various distances?

Wait, there's an easier way.  ISS is pretty darn bright.

By the way, do you .... "honestly think?"

I'm not seeing any evidence...

Here you can see how bright the ISS is:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7468/15925167820_9cd0ca4fcd_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qgfDyY)
ISS transit and moon (https://flic.kr/p/qgfDyY) by ☰☵ Michele  M.  F. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/e-coli/), (Flickr)

It's easier to watch it here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream)

So tell me, every time I destroy your globe earth arguments and make a mockery of your retarded lie do they demote you a level? If I crush enough arguments can I create a level -1 mason?

Crush one and we'll find out.

Its so the rich people can go off and live in space when they've messed up our planet most likely, mean time they make us pay for it.  I'd like to see humanity just pause for a second and sort out the problems on our own planet then worry about space travel.

NASA has discovered some clusters at the edge of the galaxy which may have alien life. I guess it´s dozens of thousands of light years away making it pretty useless knowledge.

The problem with that is that it don't work. If we look at history, we find that humanity solves the most problems when there is a frontier. In our modern world, there are really only two, with nearly equal challenges at the beginning. The first is the oceans. We can expand into the oceans, and like space, it's an alien environment in which we will have to develop new technologies and new refinements to existing technologies.

So how does that improve the situation for the rest of humanity, in either case?

Those refinements and technological improvements get adapted. For instance, for seasteads you pretty much have to develop multiple ways to produce fresh water and electric power in a small and self contained area. I don't think it will stretch anyone's imagination too much to see how this would benefit humanity in general.

The flip side of this, historically, has been that the frontier was inhabited by other humans, deemed "undesirable" by conquerors and pilgrims. Near space eliminates THAT problem as it's unihabited, and the technological challenges are far greater, so likely the advances that come home will be too.

Or we can turn our backs on these challenges, stagnate and die out.

After you decode the messages let us know if it is useless.

Don´t miss it

Moonwalkers (2015)

Directed by Antoine Bardou-Jacquet. With Rupert Grint, Ron Perlman, Robert Sheehan, Stephen Campbell

https://www.solarmovie.ph/watch-moonwalkers-2015.html

Not now, but in the future we might be putting our food on the table on some other planet. Who knows, we are merely scratching the surface of this world and space we live in.

Ships go to space. Mine asteroid rock. Then $$$

There have beet a lot of technological advancements from getting into space. Space is full of resources. Other planets as well. Mars. Even the Moon. In our lifetime I think we'll be able to see Mars colonized. Earth won't remain habitable for ever. It's important to start dislodging our roots while things are still calm.

Would be American loonar landings were mentioned in this thread. Well...

Chinese Lunar Rover Finds No Evidence of American Moon Landings
http://tapnewswire.com/2015/12/chinese-lunar-rover-finds-no-evidence-of-american-moon-landings/

...From the "article"...

The findings were even more disappointing for the scientists who created the probe. They had equipped Jade Rabbit with special cutting tools for shredding any American flags it found and replacing them with China’s own. Special legs were also fitted so that the rover could sidle up to remnants of any American spacecraft and kick it and kick it and kick it in the most contemptuous manner possible.

So there is the once in the life opportunity for soviet russia to shit directly on the face of their archenemy USA and they do.... nothing for the next 45 years?  :o

yeah, they aren't putting food on the table, but Mankind need to develop these technologies since the survival of the human kind lies beyond the earth!

No! Space tech development must be stopped so that the next giant asteroid destroys humanity because we deserve it  :)

Only luddites and conservatives and liberals. Humans are ok :D

I suppose this has some benefits, but yeah i agree. Missions have answer some scientific questions and brings more questions. But governments are forgetting something.

Many people are still in poverty or in hunger why not at prioritize us people first.

People are in poverty and hunger because the government has learned how to "legally" steal their wealth from them, and turn it over to the "spacemongers," who don't feel bad about it at all, because they don't realize how they are using government to steal from the poor people.

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Well, I'll be damned. There's something we agree on :D

I think space exploration is vitally necessary to humans going forward. Which is all the more reason to get governments out of it as much as possible.

That being said, I'd rather they spend the money on space exploration than starting and maintaining wars. Cuz let's face the truth, the only time governments ever give a damn about the plight of their subjects is when it gets them votes.

Government should give everyone a free Lamborghini. Making of Lamborghinis benefit mankind more than space exploration. That's how resources should be spent.

If you elect Vermin Supreme you'll get a free pony!

Vermin’s been talking about killing baby Hitler for years, and now it’s a question that the actual candidates have actually been seriously discussing. Weird world.

I agree. Get government out of it. In fact, totally get rid of income taxation. Let Federal Gov tax only the States on interstate commerce, tax federally created corporations (like the Federal Reserve Bank), and tax export/import in and out of the country. If this happened - that these were the ONLY places Fed Gov could get money (except for entirely voluntary donations) - government would shrink, taxes would shrink, the American people would become prosperous, private space programs would make NASA look like a little mud puddle, and the world would flourish because of Americans.

Taxation, government size, criminality in America, and all the bad things would balance themselves out. We would have wonderful peace. The rest of the world would take from our example far more than they are doing today. Islam would go away because Muslims would see the lack of freedom in it. Big dictator-type countries of SE Asia would move towards freedom, etc., etc. - all because of the type of taxation that we have.

Of greater importance, we would conquer both, world poverty, and space, through voluntary, willing work. Think about it. It is people who make things happen, not Fed or State Gov. Think about it. Don't we really want a healthy world so that all those other people can donate their brains and efforts to space exploration, and anything else we/they want to do?

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You want to know what is the benefit of space exploration?
Knowledge for this generation and those who will follow. Space research is very critical to human advancement and also the threat that is always there waiting to be discovered.

You guys are so sure space is real but the only information you have is the word of proven hoaxers, liars and fakers at at NASA. Stop and consider that you might have been tricked by these nazi occultists and greedy goldbrickers and question your unwavering faith and belief in the word of these psychopaths.

Space is a lie and you've been scammed, look into it! Go watch a magician perform live, see how he's able to trick a whole mass of people into believing anything he wants.

uhhm im not sure i understand what you said? are you saying that everything we know about space information is a
lie or are you saying that to one specific matter about space?

I'm glad you said this. To be a flat earther, you have to BELIEVE in flat earth before the science will make any sense to you.

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Government handouts alone can't alleviate poverty. There are many reasons for people remaining poor. Some of them are:

1. Adherence to certain religions and sects, which discourage education and rational thinking.
2. Uncontrolled population explosion.
3. Addiction to alcohol and drugs.
4. Lack of employment opportunities.
5. Corruption.

The government can take care of points #4 and #5. But the remaining are the responsibility of that particular individual.

Which categories do flat earthers fit under?   :)

i think we are searching for other planet for pissing on it too

Actually, no, he does not "need to know" what the point of spending.... on space is meant for.

And he doesn't need to be told how the moon launching weren't fake.

We need to be how how he isn't fake.  And what the point of us reading his postings is meant for.  I don't know what we've accomplished and found beneficial to society, reading his crap.  And listening to his complaining.

Particularly since he's fake.

Lol oh wow. If you have a problem with sonebody, it doesnt make sense to click on their threads trying to start issues. What kind of idealistic nonsense. Please go twirl your hair and flirt with a thirteen year old girl, per usual.

Back on topic though, I still deserve to know if they were real or not because they're using my money to fund that unneeded bullshit.

I think TheGr33k food would be a lot better if it were prepared on Mars.    ;D

Deserve to know?

According to you, either they were fake or useless.  You just "deserve" help to figure out which.

Here's an idea why moon launching isn't fake, why spend millions of dollars making a rocket space shuttle and space suit and fund needed for the training of the astronaut that are
Qualified for the mission. I can't explain it all because it will take very long so I'll cut it here, I just gave the General idea.

It's just an idea.t

It may be of some interest, that the Apollo program is the most thoroughly documented project in modern history.

http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/index.htm

An interesting question is whether someone who would just like free beer, who is unable to understand the scientific merit of something like, say this....

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/leaping-lunar-dust.html

...should be listened to when they argue that the work is fake or of no value.

They could just as well argue that we don't need to know the number pi.  It doesn't do anything for them, and doesn't put food on his table.  My dog feels this way.  He doesn't care about space programs, just food.

The answer is MONEY. And it isn't just the money that NASA directors and higher-ups get to keep. It is much bigger than that. It involves the whole debt-money system. It works something like this.

All new money on the books comes from borrowing money. Bank loans are not loans. They are creations of new money, which, btw, rip the borrowers off and enrich the bankers.

Since all new money is made by somebody borrowing, where does the money come from to pay back the interest? I mean, if the loan is completely repaid, where does one get money to pay the interest, since all the money was borrowed? If it is all paid back, there isn't any money any more, to pay the interest or anything else.

The only way to pay the interest is to borrow more money through a second loan to pay the interest on the first loan.

The money system is way beyond this. In fact, the money system needs people to borrow for whatever reason, just so that more money can be created to pay off the gigantic amount of interest that is being made all the time... made because new loans are being created all the time. Viscous cycle.

There are rules set in place for who can borrow/create how much new money. Your credit report is a little part of the rules. The rules are designed to keep the borrowing from going beyond what appears to be the ability to repay... repay by borrowing/creating enough more money for repayment purposes (of course, after it has done the job for which it was created/loaned in the first place). If there weren't any rules, the system would balloon and implode, or people would realize what was happening and how they were being ripped off by the bankers, and there would be mass banker necktie parties.

NASA and their hoax was something that looked viable to the banks credit-wise, so NASA got its money... via the government, of course. NASA is one of many. Movie-making is another, and is similar to what NASA did (does?) from a different direction.

These days, the debt-money system has ballooned to such a size that it has to encompass the whole world to keep its Ponzi going. It will crash, sometime, of course. But the bankers are working overtime to find something to take its place before it crashes... so they can keep on ruling the world. NASA was just a small part of their scheme.

Possibly, the bankers might find a way to take over Bitcoin so they can use Bitcoin as the new system. But they haven't figured out completely how, yet. They need more time. One of the ways for them to get more time is to create a cashless society, run completely on debit and credit (cards). This way they have more control of the money, more ability to screw the people, so that they have more time to figure out something like ways to use Bitcoin to take over the world money system, so they don't lose it all.

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Please speak for yourself. I care about a lot of things, but you're taking one line I said and running with that. Please go jerk it to all that nasty porn you watch on the regular and leave me alone already. Thank you kindly.

Sorry.  But I meant what I said.  Science is often split into "basic" and "applied" research.  "Basic" may not show any direct benefit, while "applied" is specifically targeted toward a benefit.

All you are doing is (a) arguing that some unspecified group of space efforts didn't happen (b) arguing that they don't help you.  Anyway why should something put food on your table?  Is that the obligation of governments, such as those that fund space programs?

The space launchings have made a lot important discoveries, that impact the now and the future. A simple google search will confirm this.

Including which the weather satellites, launched by space launchings, in conjunction with supercomputers, a product of space research CERTAINLY HAVE PUT FOOD ON THE TABLES.

That's by enabling weather forecasts with high accuracy up to 10-14 days. 

Duh...

In some places around the country, the 10-day forecast changes more than 6 times a day. Then the jets spew chemtrails on a moment's notice, and completely reek havoc with all the forecasting.

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Oh Christ is Greek still trolling?  I thought he got a permaban or something, as I haven't seen any of his threads or posts around lately.  And I agree with Splendulus:  NASA does not have an obligation to put food on your table.  That's part of YOUR food budget, not our taxes.  I don't mind the space programs at all. 

Greek, you almost sound like a conspiracy theorist.  Almost.  And you sound like you're an only child, too.

1. You haven't seen me around because I've been working full-time on two part time jobs whilst working on my engagement proposal for my girlfriend, and also getting my own personal businesses finally off the ground. I cannot log in every single day like a loser. You see, when you have a life outside your computer, that sometimes happens.

2. I'm not trolling. Reality is that I don't want my money being taken away from me to fund people floating in space. Why not prioritize humans and worldy issues first like famine, war, death, recession, and so on before funding all that bullshit we don't need?

3. I'll take it that you're just pissed that you have yet to come up with an argument against that "fifteen year old girl stripping for bitcoins" situation. It's good to know you encourage little girls getting naked for money anonymously! You keep up the good work!

NASA is to thank for all of that but I'm asking what we got out of SPACE TRAVEL ITSELF.


In those links, nobody said "we found cameras on the moon".

NASA is to thank for all of that but I'm asking what we got out of SPACE TRAVEL ITSELF.

In those links, nobody said "we found cameras on the moon".
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There isn't any real proof that anybody went to the moon. So we can expect that there aren't any cameras on the moon.

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There isn't any real proof that anybody went to the moon. So we can expect that there aren't any cameras on the moon.

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In your own mind only.

It's easy to bounce laser beams off a reflector left on the Moon by Apollo.

How did that get there?

I suppose you went up there and checked out that those were earth reflectors that reflected laser light?

In all likelihood, NASA found 3 spots where laser light could be reflected off the moon's natural surface. Then they built their whole moon landing scam around those 3 spots, just so that they could offer proof later.

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How about the moon rocks, which any first semester geology student can identify as not having came from Earth?

More interestingly though, what did the Saturn rockets actually DO?  They were tracked by radar by  various countries around the world.

So you think all of the possible geology on earth has been discovered examined already, right?

So you are ready to get on the stand and swear that you know first-hand that radar rocket tracking wasn't an elaborate hoax set up by covert, joint sciences from nations that had (or suggested that they had) technology to use radar this way?

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Oh how short our memory is, you seem to forget a previous discussion we've had on this very subject. Let me jog your memory:

https://i.imgur.com/vbpsUGV.jpg

"... The Dutch national museum said Thursday that one of its prized possessions, a rock supposedly brought back from the moon by U.S. astronauts, is just a piece of petrified wood. Rijksmuseum spokeswoman Xandra van Gelder, who oversaw the investigation that proved the piece was a fake, said the museum will keep it anyway as a curiosity. ..."

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/moon-rock-museum-just-petrified-wood/

Not everything necessarily has to add to our daily supper. We pay our taxes and most of them are evenly distributed for the countries development in various facets and industries. In terms of space travel, it's more of a long term discovery plan and to learn about the elements in space. It does help explore and identify similar Earth like planets and other habitable places (which of course is a humans dream).

When you go to the grocery store, and you get a gallon of milk, you get a receipt. On the receipt there is information that shows that you paid for a gallon of milk, the particular brand of milk, itemization of any other products you purchased, sales tax (if any), sub-totals and the final "grand" total.

Do you ever get any of that for the taxes you pay? Taxes for space development is simply unknown. In addition, you don't know that YOUR taxes helped with any of it... for a fact.

Get NASA and everything else out of the taxes. Donate to them directly if you want to.

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No, I did not forget it.  There are no similar characteristics between petrified wood and lunar rocks, and this is evident either looking at them with eyeballs or microscopes.  So chalk this one up to total stupidity.

And that leaves what I have noted as true.  It may not have occurred to you, but the fact that someone finally looked at that rock, and said, "No, this is not a moon rock," confirms what I said, instead of in any way disproving it.

Sure, Russia and the US in the middle of the Cold War were going to do that.

Come on, let's hear it.  What did the Apollo 8 mission actually DO?  I'm picking just this one as an example.  Everyone knows the Saturn booster flew off the launch pad at the Cape, now you tell us.  Where did it GO?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzCsDVfPQqk

I mean, you gotta understand, everyone would really like to know.

Let's go back a year or two.  Here's Apollo 4, which was unmanned, and flew in 1967.

Where did this one go?  What did it really do?

Working full-time on two part time jobs - that's funny. Sorry but it is.
And also - agreed - there should be some taxes that should be optional.
But in the end you guys have to agree that NASA really made some important and useful discoveries. At least the ones that were made public.

From my "I'm a Rocket Scientist" thread:

Just because I don't chase rockets around to see where they go, doesn't mean that anyone else is telling the truth about where they went.

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You mean you don't have any idea what Apollo 4 actually did, or Apollo 8, but you're certain they did not go or do what the US government said?

You just hate the US government, right?  This is just something else you can claim they lie about.

That's all that's really going on with you.

1)  Excellent!  I hope life gets even busier for you.

2)  That is a naive view of economics in my opinion.  Stuff is prioritized; you just don't want space exploration to happen at all because you think it personally affects how much food you can put on your table--that's waaaay more a function of how much you can earn than the little you, personally, contribute to NASA's budget.

3)  Have you stopped beating your fiancee yet?

Just to feed the troll I will post a picture here:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7051/6816337786_2725e5f355.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bokvKh)
Apollo 15: Follow the Tracks (https://flic.kr/p/bokvKh) by NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/) @Flickr

So you followed the Apollos up in another rocket to see exactly where they went, right?

The government is nothing but paperwork. It doesn't lie or tell the truth all by itself. It is the people of government who tell the truth or lie, sometimes using the paperwork. You seem to love sensationalism rather than the truth.

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Wow! You have actually found a real, live, honest and true NASA picture that shows the arrows and words that are engraved into the actual surface of the moon? Wild! And here I thought that we needed proof that people went to the moon.

 ;D

I know exactly where some of them went, yes.  But how about you tell me where a couple of them went other than NOT WHERE THEY SAID THEY WENT?

Your stand on this is ridiculous.  Either put up or shut up.

Fact is, if the moon landings were faked, then that means that the whole Space Race and the Cold War were both elaborate hoaxes. And that means in turn, that every aggressive action by both the USA and Russia against each other was also a hoax. The shit just gets exponentially more unlikely with every logical step, to the point that it becomes utterly ridiculous.

My my. How temperamental.

How do I know where those rockets went? Perhaps you really do know. But maybe you only think you know. Relax. Try to not go off in a tizzy. We need you in the Islam threads.

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The more complicated things get, the more difficult it is to maintain them. For example, a bicycle is quite simple when compared with a car. Bicycle upkeep is a lot cheaper than a car, even if you can do a lot of things with a car that you can't with a bicycle.

The point? It is the same with math. One + 1 = 2... or does it? In real life it never does. Why not? Because there are no two things that are exactly the same. So, 1 + 1 is always 1 + 1. Now 1 + 1 = 2 flawed math works very well in simple things. But the more complex that things get, the harder it is to make the flawed math work in real life. The hoaxes get greater and greater, just like the complex machinery gets more difficult to maintain. But both of them break down.

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Now 1 + 1 is not 2. 

So far you have brought up a number of assertions regarding the Moon Landings being fake.  I shredded every one of them.

You still really don't see to get it - or you are a pathological liar.

I think the former. 

Here is a bit of education on rocks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrometeoroid

Micrometeoroids are very small pieces of rock or metal broken off from larger chunks of rock and debris often dating back to the birth of the Solar System. Micrometeoroids are extremely common in space. Tiny particles are a major contributor to space weathering processes. When they hit the surface of the Moon, or any airless body (Mercury, the asteroids, etc.), the resulting melting and vaporization causes darkening and other optical changes in the regolith. In order to understand the micrometeoroid population better, a number of spacecraft (including Lunar Orbiter 1, Luna 3, Mars 1 and Pioneer 5) have carried micrometeoroid detectors.

Rocks brought back by Apollo show at 100x - 1000x magnification, bunches of small craters.  These can only have been made by direct impact of micrometeoroids at 50-100,000 foot per second velocities.  They also show multiple layering of metal from metal vapor, such as would result from nearby hits. 

Therefore, those rocks came from the Moon (and for other reasons, I'll exclude for brevity, they could not have came from anywhere else). 

How did we get them?  History and the records indicate that men landed on the Moon, picked them out, and brought them back.

If that is not so, then you tell us how we got them.

Yeah - it's all a big conspiracy. No one went to the moon, in space, on the ISS.
It's all Photoshop. Those guys make a lot of money, that's for sure.

Thanks for agreeing with me.   :)

Suuuurrrreeee.  It was all Photoshop.  In 1968...

LOL....

Of course. It's common knowledge. Everybody knows Photoshop was invented in 1967. :P Jeez. Do I have to explain everything to you guys? :D

Everyone knows that Photoshop was invented sometime in the 1990s. NASA took Photoshop and re-did their space and moon photos with Photoshop so that everyone would think that the shots were fake. Why did they do this? 'Cause they figured that all the new generation kids would feel a lot more excited about the new moon-shot project if they thought it had never been done before.

 :D

Even for you that's a new low.

Well, you didn't laugh. Do you think, then, that this is plausible?

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I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go fly in space. That's all I'm saying. If you wanna fund that nonsense, go right ahead. Just don't involve me. Is that too much to ask, or...

Let me vary your comment a bit.

I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go do medical research.
I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go do laser research.
I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go do semiconductor research.
I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go improve automobile safety.
I just don't feel like funding random people I don't know or care about to go improve crop yields.

Please explain WHY you should get to choose which of these your tax money is spent on - Please assume, for purposes of this discussion, that each of these options is impossible for you (or me) to understand without several years of training in the field.

Please explain why there should be tax money for anything.

When the country was a fledgling country back in the late 1700s or early 1800s, something like taxes might have been necessary. The only thing taxes do now is to let government people squander our labor.

Make all that stuff to be donations so that government learns to work within some kind of constraints - like a budget - like any other business has to.

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Are you this egotistical and self-centered with this girlfriend that you're proposing to? 

To the person who said we don't need taxes anymore:  Do you pay for your own road repair?  Do you fund your own police force?  Your own fire department?  No, I didn't think so.  Your taxes pay for all of that and your view is very childish and naive.

If you work for NASA, any of its contractors, or just make a living reporting on space/science stuff or running a space themed blog, guess what. It is putting food on the table. Which is why I don't buy that we should gut NASA or science programs when the U.S. military gets a vastly larger budget and their business lately is basically to kill the people that our politicians have decided are our enemy. For the price of ten F-35 planes, we could probably feed and house every homeless American for a year and we wouldn't really miss those 10 F-35s even when you argue that we need a decent military to defend ourselves against genuine foreign enemies (and yes, they do exist).

One thing I equally gripe about is the advertising industry. Some corporations have a $1 billion-plus marketing budget to tell you that you aren't pretty enough, that you don't have enough stuff, that you can look sexy while eating this sandwich. When it gets down to it, I started this Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/MarsInterviews) almost strictly for the purpose of sucking some of that money away from those marketing causes and steering it into causes I support.

Yap it leads to more questions and more expeditions.

Aren't you into Bitcoin because you don't want people taxing you? I don't mind my money being used to fund schools, help model citizens and so on but taking from me to fund nonsense is ridiculous to me.

As if getting into the last legal form of slavery would make any man egotistical. The morning hassles, the midday arguments, the occasional digs, the cooking lessons I'm forced to take with her, the salon treatments I'm coaxed into paying for, and the thirsty annoying friends I'm suppose to "like and respect". Yes, it's definitely something to brag about. How cute of you to think this.


You're into Bitcoin because you don't want the government involved in your money. You implied it yourself in my last thread. Oh, and if it's so childish and naive, why don't you just ignore me? Mature people don't pay alleged immaturity this much attention, as they have more important tasks to attend to. You're sitting behind your PC judging random people when you could just erase them from your thoughts and just focus on something more important like paying your rent or turning your lights on. No matter what you say, people are going to be who they are. Get it together. Do something productive with your life.

Now that I've said that, I could care less if you respond as your response would be a waste of your time and mine so I'm not going to read it. I have a shit ton of paperwork I have to do so you have a great day.

Yeah. Some taxes are good, but not ridiculous taxes for breathing air or electrical pole space rent tax.

LOL! I almost spilled my food reading this!  Dude! If we'll ever meet you have a beer from me!

This. Thank you. Why should we kneel down to these people? They're like any other business. Surely we're not advanced like them but that doesn't mean our money should be taken away from us. We have businesses too which happen to be more practical and useful than random people shooting into space to go find "rocks", but we're not begging or stealing for our money. We're working for it. I support the wonderful things NASA has done, but this space nonsense has got to stop. Prioritize earthly issues first, and then when there's nothing left to advance or assist, you can try finding a way to live in space.

World's largest employers (workforce #)

• Dept of Defense: 3.2m
• People’s Liberation Army: 2.3m
• Walmart: 2.1m
• McDonald’s: 1.9m
• UK NHS: 1.7m

You're not involved in it. Taxation is not voluntary. It is armed robbery, period. You've no more moral responsibility for what those assholes do with it than if some crackhead jacked your car and ran somebody down. Democracy is a sick joke.

Me, I'd rather they spend it on space exploration and other sciences than on blowing up brown people who didn't care about us before the US decided it was a good idea to blow them up. There's at least a potential benefit to me from them using the loot in the sciences. In the particular instance that you're railing against, the gains are actual, real, and you're reading this on one of them.

Most of what they spend "my" taxes on is egregious, and even when it's not, it's of little or no benefit to me, nor will they consult me in how they ought to run their Empire. You are in exactly the same position, unless you're one of the less than ten thousand people who actually have a say in it.

Never heard of toll roads? Usually they are maintained far better than government tax roads.

If we want government, let's pay for government in the same way we do for everything else. And let us get a receipt for that which we paid for, so we can see what it is that we are paying for.

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Taxation = fraud against us. Rather, let us buy what we need from government, all of it, with receipts to show what we paid for and got, so that we can go elsewhere for our purchases if government doesn't provide quality. Let's make government efficient through competition, while cutting out the unnecessary things.

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To be honest, I am fine with the government taxing my earnings to take care of wordly issues like famine, war, illness, etc. It's specific things they fund with our money is what I can't stand. For example, I give $20-$100 monthly to the American Red Cross, and that was completely voluntary. The money I give depends on how well I'm doing in my work but I still give money monthly. I also volunteer weekly at a soup kitchen. Some weeks I don't. Depends on if I have other plans but I still do what I can. I feel as though I and many others should be exempt from taxation if we have proven to actually support noble social causes. They claim that's why they tax people, but I'm sure it's just so they can fund their fabulous care-free lifestyles. Just like how they claim prostitution and selling marijuana is illegal because they don't want people getting STD's or getting addicted to pot. No. It's really illegal because they can't tax those practices.

Well, here´s a very useful idea for NASA to work on. This could change the world forever and nothing would be the same again

https://brobible.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/must-see-imagery-smoke-detector.jpg?w=650&h=432

What can your computer do? Almost nothing.

Back in '99 or 2000, there was a company in Scottsdale that had add-ons for your computer that could take care of your whole house. I'm sure these add-ons are still around. But I have never heard of anybody having or using them.

Just think. The computer controls your coffee machine, your alarm clock, when your drapes open and close, the room temp for every room of your house... yes, and the smoke alarm... and anything else electrical.

Back then it operated through the electrical wiring in your house. Now it could all be radio controlled if you didn't like using the wiring.

Anybody know where to look for the equipment?

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To the bolded part above:  not really.  Cold hard cash is even more anonymous than bitcoin.  I like bitcoin for other reasons, one of them being that it's a store of value.  I also like the roller coaster ride.
To the italicized part:  Oh, I just like fucking with you.

Really?lol

But yeah it would just lead to more explorations when our oceans are not yet fully discovered.

DO IT!!!!

You'd be a rich man the day they hit the shelves.

let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=smart+house)

[on Dave's return to the ship, after HAL has killed the rest of the crew]
HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

HAL: I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.

It's home automation, not home AI, and yes, there are such systems on the market still. Really not dangerous.

I don't do that. I just rip the alarm out of the ceiling.


Its cheaper.