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Iowa is feeling the Bern, New Hampshire Berning all over... Can you feel the Bern from your town?

Bernie Sanders wants to save you money by getting rid of greedy health insurance companies... saving you $thousands every year... can you feel the Bern?

Bernie Sanders wants to shut down corporate greed, money in politics, and tax loopholes for billionaires... do ya dig?

Bernie Sanders does not accept campaign contributions from corporations, banks, wall-street, etc.  His average donation is less than $30... that's you and me bro...

Martin Shkreli (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-U1MMa0SHw) donated $2,700 to Bernie's Campaign in an attempt to get an interview (the maximum individual donation)... Bernie rejected the interview, and donated the $2700 to the Whitman-Walker health clinic (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-rejects-ceo-martin-shkreli-campaign-donation/FcSKxu1VIr7pubg9cI3CQN/story.html)

Are you starting to feel the Bern?

No, I have no idea what you are talking about.  You are trying to propagage a meme about a political candidate using classical Communist and Socialist buzz words and slang.   I can summarize whatever the fuck you think the bern is, though.

"Free stuff!  I'll get you free stuff!"

But, the bern is an old, washed out, stooped over old white guy.  There's nothing there to feel about.

Why not feel about something real?

Pretty sure Bernie doesn't want anything to do with a future convict.  Skreli however might be feeling the Bern up his ass in a federal prison.

Bernie is the real deal... he has a 40 year track record in congress of being ahead of the curve, not behind it...

Bernie Sanders has been fighting for your rights since before you were born!
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s)

Bernie has been pro-gay right for decades, Hillary only jumped on the bandwagon last year when it became the trend...

https://img1.etsystatic.com/063/0/6694806/il_570xN.789119077_6cxl.jpg

Hell yeah. Lets do this. Bern the madafaka down.

Who is the one trying to propagate lies?

Bernie is neither a Communist nor a Socialist... he's a "Democratic Socialist", which really means nothing... try looking into his policies before you label him an evil communist nazi...  Do a little bit of research and you may find you actually like the guy, and what he stands for...

The closest comparison would be FDR, who some call "our last great president"...

ROFL...

What kind of glue have you been sniffing?

It's a politician, you know...

It's....

"Free stuff!  I'll get you free stuff!"

...coming from an old, washed out, stooped over old white guy...

You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

Maybe some day you will join us, and the world will live as one

I'm going to enjoy seeing if Bernie Sanders gets elected if only to see just how fucked up the whole country will get and how fast the dollar will crash.

The latest poll from UMass Lowell shows Bernie Sanders up by 33 points in New Hampshire!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html)

Then again, maybe some day you will join clear thinking realists, and the world will live as one.

Please explain something.  What is this Bern you feel?  Obviously it is not the flabby stooped old man.  Obviously it is not sparkling intellectuality, as that he does not have.

I conclude that as with many good politicians, this guy has the ability to cause you and others to objectify your own internal concept of utopia and project it onto him.  Such that when you feel the Bern, you are feeling your own visions and utopias and happy happy happy.

What is that, then?

SPENDY THIS IS FOR YOU MY FRIEND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYYvJ0cRvc

That's good.

Saddam you are the most crazy racist I have ran across and have this bizarre way of getting it right often enough to earn respect.  That's great. 

I still am curious about WTF is FEEL THE BERN?

Would we have said "Feel the Nixon?"
How about "Feel the Palin?"
For our friends in South Africa, "Feel the Shaka Zulu?"
How about our Palestine friends (and enemies) "Feel the Arafat?"
Feel the Sadam Hussain?
Feel the Ayatolah?
Feel the Bush?

Well, you get it....  That I'm really just not "Getting it."  So will someone explain to me?

If the Bern gets elected it will be a testament to how thoroughly brainwashed the american people are by the liberal controlled media.

Less government is the answer, not free stuff.

Right.   They get what they want - eight years of Obama socialism, and it doesn't work too well.

SO, WE NEED MORE INTENSE SOCIALISM!  YEAH BUDDY!  THAT'S THE SOLUTION!

Or we need LESS.

But, hey I really can sympathize with hard core libbies that think of themselves as DEMIOs...

And they look at that lying Hillary bitch, and they say..."Got to be something better...somewhere...please help me...I'm drowning..."

Okay, so be practical (inside the warped circus world) and go for the stooped over, washed up old white geezer.

But who said you got to run around dazzle eyed like a backstage groupie with Jimi Hendrix?

MoveOn.org is hosting Bernie Sanders rallies, and MoveOn.org is funded by billionaires with 10 times more money than Trump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77s1YAg1QsU

http://images.dailykos.com/images/158003/story_image/HILLY-V-BERNIE-DONORS.png

Private companies are free to spend their money however they see fit... hence, superpac...  significantly different than a campaign contribution...

Is there a better candidate?  What are the alternatives?  Hillary?  Trump?  Ben Carson?!?

FREE STUFF YES YES YES FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ;D

Free stuff you yanks have no clue :D its not free stuff

all humans have a right to a free education from start to finish
all humans have a right to free medical care
all humans have a right to a roof over your head
all humans have a right to free food
all humans have a right to walk down the street and have free protection I.E police
all humans have a right to the streets being clean and tidy and no pot holes in roads
all humans have right to free law I.E needing a lawyer..
THIS IS WHAT WILL BE FREE NOTHING MORE FROM BERNIE..To me this is a human right in the 21st century western world

MY IDEA OF A NICE WORLD IS WE PRESS A BUTTON AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE

you have no right to a free tv.. phone..internet..computer..games.going on days out I.E pictures and so on
and all this is the tax payer who pays for this..
the people who have good jobs and the super rich paying there fair share and companies paying the proper tax..

This is all Bernie Sanders wants to do for you american people so you don't worry
its as simple as this listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dhSdnDb3tk

https://i.imgur.com/Zv2EBUs.jpghttps://still4hill.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/10-18-11-431.jpg

Snakes On a Plane- Samuel L. Jackson (NSFW) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLaX8UvVUQw)

Hey, make them all into beggers.  The whole bunch of citizen subjects, yeah.

Beggers are easier to please.

And let's have some of that money for nothin, heh?  Yeah.  Fee stuff.  Gimme mah fair share, hey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag

Oh yeah, feeling the Bern, man.  Wow...

Feeling the Bern.  He's Simply Irresistible. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGw_cOgwa8

(NOT.  Lol, lol...)

if we can get it for free then why not listen spendy listen to it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzaVsPKGdiU

Also as Hilary hired this guy 6 times she won ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZc3VD214OU

Okay, but I am goona prove why you don't want socialism/communism crap.

Here's the Russian anthem - AFTER they threw off the worst of the wrong thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul_qm3Ym8-k

Here's what you get with the pure unadulterated idiotology.  Feel the Bern, man!  Do you feel the Bern?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH_064Sqjh0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH_064Sqjh0   THANKS THAT ROCKS ;D
WOW WHAT A RUSH ;D I ENJOYED THAT..

 its not like what you think its just some socialism some capitalism..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH-bRIJWYmI

What will happen spendy when robots do most of the human work?..
what will we do then so the 1% will own 90% of all wealth because they wont be paying a human they will be buying a robot and pay that robot nothing
Plus 3d printers will do out loads of jobs.

So you better get used to someone like bernie sanders because your going to need someone like him very very soon because many many jobs will be at stake all over the globe

Naw, you got the wrong attitude, dude.

Feel the hap.  Can you feel the hap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Just don't feel the Bern, man.  Cuz that con man gonna burn you, see.  Oh yeah, you'll feel that burn....

i am a dreamer too cause i totally agree with you..

Yeah but if you thing about this: At the very end the wallstreet will get the candidate they want. And this is Clinton II not Bernie.
I'm a libertarian and not a socialist, but Bernie seems to be a wise and honest man. I don't see any changes for him to replace Hillary.
It's a shame that money makes presidents in the US.

Only to the extent that the vote is close.  In such cases the Democrats use fraud to edge the count over in their direction. 

As have just happened in Iowa.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/coin-toss-decides-clinton-sanders-tie-iowa-precinct-article-1.2517022

No, not at all :)
In fact I don't trust him.
He pretend to be different from other politicians and that he really cares for average people but look his life.
How long he is professional politician, and member of US congress.
Very long, almost all his professional life.
What he did for average people all this time?
Nothing.
Why he decided to join democratic party just recently?
Because he is greedy for position in the White house and understand that alone he don't have any chance?
He is definitely not my choice for the US President.

yes , i feel bern inside of my veins.. i wish he would make his promises real..

I don't see how that matters...

Bernie is the good guy... He does not take bribes from banks, pharmacies, billionaires, etc

He has been in politics for 40 years fighting for your civil rights! Don't judge the man if you don't know a fucking thing about him (you call Bernie greedy? LoL)

The only reason Bernie is a politician is to fix the system... You cannot fix it from the outside, it is not possible

Look at the image I posted a few posts ago with Bernie in the middle seat of a plane flying coach, while Hillary Clinton is flying in a private jet with 5000 ft of leg room...

Hillary is corrupt, Bernie is not... This is really the only fact you need, but please do your own research

bern is the best.. i love him but i am sure he wont be elected even if he is the best of all...

New poll shows Bernie beating the wicked witch of the mid-west by 6 points!

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-leading-by-six-in-reuters-national-poll/ (http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-leading-by-six-in-reuters-national-poll/)

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12556138_698019170326967_1414940817_n.jpg

You people who want Bernie Sanders to be president either don't understand economics at all or just in it for the "free" stuff.  Nothing is ever free and anyone with half a brain knows that.  If you pay taxes, then you would be in for a huge tax increase.  Bernie would eliminate the rich and middle class to create a lower class for everyone.  I currently pay 33% tax, under Bernie's plan that moves to 60%.  Now lets put that into perspective and you (especially Moloch) tell me it would be good with you if it were your money.  You make $350,000 this year, fantastic right?!?! Well, under our current tax plan you would owe $115,000 in taxes, and under Bernie that would be $210,000.  Sounds fair, right!!!!

Not in my book.  If i want to give my money to the poor, that should be my choice, it shouldn't be ripped out of my hands and handed to someone else.

You people who claim that Bernie Sanders has anything to do with "free stuff" have not done any research

Bernie's healthcare plan will save the average American $5000 every year... look it up

What "free stuff" is Bernie giving out? (other than saving you money?)

Who is the "average american".  What that means is that if you pay taxes, you have to pay more taxes so that you can pay for someone else's healthcare.  Bernie Sanders wants to tax the upper class 75%, look it up.

You misunderstand both of those things...

Bernie wants to cut out the middle-man from the insurance racket... republicans report that he will raise taxes, but they don't mention that you won't pay healthcare premiums anymore...  it just cuts out the middle-man (for-profit insurance companies), which saves a ton of money for everyone (people and businesses)

The 75% tax thing is a complete lie... Bernie never said that and you will never find a legit article claiming that he did

It comes from a reference he made to FDR, when the top marginal tax rate was much higher...

Also, MARGINAL tax rate... meaning only taxed at a high rate on income OVER $5,000,000... the first 5 million dollars will obviously get taxed at a lower rate, so don't worry

Another fine point is that whatever the rate, we can use your 75% number if you like, is before deductions... the actual rate anyone pays would be closer to half of that after deductions


It's all a bunch of scare tactics for people incapable of doing their own research... similar to the socialist label... people label him an evil commie bastard without a second thought

Have not followed him as much as I should but notice he always looks like he is about to go full rant mode when they show clips of him.
Keep in mind I am not following as closely because I am not American but have liked some aspects of his campaign. The problem is he may be doing just what Trump is doing and giving lip service. Mind you thats what they all do in the end.

Will have to catch up on him and his ideas to get a full grasp of what he is up to.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Trump vs. Sanders election.  Both are not your typical politicians.  Both are considered to be more extreme in their parties and shaking things up.

Nope.

I don't know whether Bernie actually said that he will tax the super-rich at the rate of 75%. But if he wins the elections and something similar is imposed on the tax payers, then it will be a disaster for the Americans. François Hollande did something similar, after winning the elections in France. The results are there for everyone to see.

Socialism. On paper it seems to work every time. Then people want to leave. Then they build walls to keep them inside. Then they create quotas in skills of people needed in society inside the walls. Then the numbers of people not needed anymore in society has to be managed. Then they realize there are too many people still not convinced with the wisdom of their dear leader. Then the concentration re-education camps are built. Then there not enough people left to re educate. Then they ran out of money. Then the people start recycling the walls as furniture, fuel and slums as homes. Then the people realized their dear leader left a long time ago with whatever money was left.

Barnie is sweet. On paper. But it is only recycling history.


This thread is pretty cool. It needs more visibility. I'll try to help out.

 :)

I see you learned all about socialism from elementary school indoctrination.

Congratulations on failing to do your own research

You are right.
On the paper socialist theories looks great and people like it :)
They also like people which talks about it.
It's very easy to talk and promise everything to the voters like better salaries, more freedom, better public services etc.
After election is always waking up time :)
Who will pay for it?
Where to find money?
On the end everybody understand that socialism can't generate profit, only debt and when all money is spend, everything collapse.

Clearly Hillary Clinton is bought by big corporations just like everyone else (except Sanders and possibly Trump).  I can't quite get a handle on Trump.  I heard that he isn't taking big donations, but he is closely tied to big business.

Have you seen the movie "Wall-E"? All of what was left of mankind on a space ship, is a kind of socialism that could work, on paper. You just need a few thousand of humans, not billions. You need them to be and act like children, and not think too much, not even on the color of their clothing. They need to be on facebook all the time. You need a centralized computer system that will do the thinking for them.

Alas, even with a computer system on a socialistic space ship, the Digital Nomenklatura turned against its own people... and Wall-E, the independent thinking machine, saved the day.

 ;D

This thread is fun! Very inspiring.

 

Trump claims to be campaigning using his own money, which I suppose isn't a lie... but, he implies that he does not take donations, which would be a lie...

Trump takes donations, they are just much smaller because nobody actually wants to give Trump money
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00023864&cycle=2016&type=f&src=b (https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00023864&cycle=2016&type=f&src=b)

Why so many Socialists are suddenly going mainstream in the Western countries? Jeremy Corbyn was recently elected as the leader of the Labour Party in the United Kingdom. He is also widely regarded as a socialist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3233067/Bernie-Sanders-celebrates-victory-UK-s-new-socialist-Labour-Party-leader-saying-leadership-lets-billionaire-class-know-important.html

Three decades ago, if any American politician had the courage to openly admit that he is a socialist, then his political career would have ended right there. However, a large part of the population supports the Socialist candidate now, especially the youth. This means that the capitalist system has failed in the United States.

For those too lazy to use google search image... Here it is, in full, without any deceptive editing"








 :D

It's called indoctrination...

Did you grow up in America?  When I went to school... every single history/social studies class promoted the idea that socialism/communism was evil... they did not give specifics as to why, it was simply slandered to death... Socialism was made to be such an evil word, that nobody wanted to go near it...

This was not for any logical reason, besides America being in a cold war with socialist countries... Gotta hate the enemy or you can't get troops to shoot them with their guns...

Socialism was demonized in America for 30+ years... and again, for no reason really... no specifics were ever given besides, "it's evil, like those commies in Russia and China"


Now that America is starting to wake up, and people can do their own research on the internet... they can see socialism is not such a bad thing, and has some really decent ideas... a mix of socialism and capitalism would be beneficial for everyone

 ;D

Name me your favorite socialist country in the world. You can use google and wiki if you can't..

Off the top of my head, I'd go with Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Switzerland

Basically social democracies... much like the USA

The USA is a A Constitutional Republic, not a social democracy, whatever that means to you...
http://madisonproject.com/2013/09/we-the-people-a-constitutional-republic-not-a-democracy/


What about venezuela? too socialist for you? Not enough freedom of speech?

It is funny you said Norway. It is a very small country with lots of oil. They are very rich.


I should have come to this thread more often. I like to educate people.

 :)

Bernie claimed that Denmark was a socialist country in one of his interviews, and the Danes were so furious after hearing about it. The Danish Prime Minister (Lars Løkke Rasmussen) rubbished Bernie:

http://qz.com/538499/denmark-says-it-isnt-the-socialist-utopia-bernie-sanders-thinks-it-is/

Then I googled about the political parties in Denmark. The most popular party is - Social Democratic Party, which is a part of the Party of European Socialists.

America is an oligarchy... corporations and billionaires hire lobbyist, who are the ones that actually write most of the laws (and buy the votes for them)... I hope you don't think Obama wrote that 20,000 page "Obama care" bill while he was president...

Did you know that not a single congressman read the 20,000 page bill before voting on it? (IIRC, they were only given the document, less than 24 hours before the vote)

Last year, the Koch brothers spent $900,000,000 buying new laws

Anyone who has not traveled cannot answer this question.  However, I can answer it easily.

My "favorite socialist country" is Australia.  They have a 60% tax rate for many people, but it takes 5 minutes to fill out their tax reporting form each year.  Lots of negatives to the country, sure.  Lots of negatives to the socialist side of things.

I truly dislike the mindless blather by people sprouting the Scandinavian countries as an answer to this question - basically they are repeating what someone wanted them to repeat.  The exception would be anyone who has lived there and can explain the "why."

"Basically social democracies... much like the USA" But then... "America is an oligarchy..."

America is a... social democratic oligarchy then? What?

That is why barnie purple has so many friends on reddit. They always forgot the oligarchy on their side, with Sith Lord Soros, his fortune made by almost bankrupting England.
http://priceonomics.com/the-trade-of-the-century-when-george-soros-broke/

Lots of people lost everything. Yet you would still support someone like him because he is financing your cause?

I agree with you special interests are killing this wonderful experiment called the USA. That's human nature, and Nature loves to turn everything into rust. That is why, people like you see this as a problem and want to do something about it. I love your enthusiasm, that is why you will love supporting TRUMP soon...

 :)

Why can't it be both a social democracy and an oligarchy?  Are the terms mutually exclusive?

Really, it's hardly a democracy... more like a social republic, with laws written by the oligarchy

If Trump actually understood politics I wouldn't have a problem voting for him, but time after time, he proves he doesn't get it

Bernie has several policies I agree with... and Trump... doesn't have policies... other than building a wall and killing Muslims with bullets dipped in pig's blood...

Sounds more like a phantasm than what TRUMP ever said... I have to say, you have a very vivid imagination, and brave enough to share it with us all. Every single muslim on bitcointalk knows TRUMP never said that. Muslims (not all) can hate TRUMP but they surely can see right through your deep desire...


Love. Not hate.

 :)

Trump didn't say what?  Did you miss the video?

Trump wants to kill Muslims with pig blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPQvVE1gmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPQvVE1gmM)

If the "Young Turks" say it, it's nothing but propaganda.

Try for some better sources please.

The OP does not see all the effort we make to help his little thread keep up with the rest, but we can do so much... The rest is up to the OP, if he/she/it/ understands the concept.

 :)

Feds Flag Bernie Sanders For Illegal Political Contributions







Thousands of contributions to Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders’ campaign in January violated federal campaign finance laws, election regulators said on Thursday.

The Federal Election Commission sent a letter to the Democratic presidential candidate’s campaign committee on Thursday with a 90-page spreadsheet listing 3,457 “excessive, prohibited, and impermissible contributions.”

The campaign’s January financial disclosure filing listed contributions from foreign nationals and unregistered political committees, the FEC said. Other contributions came from donors who exceeded the $2,700 per-election limit.

“Although the Commission may take further legal action concerning the acceptance of [excessive or prohibited] contributions, your prompt action to refund the prohibited amount will be taken into consideration,” the FEC told the campaign.


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Let us pray for barnie purple, all his supporters and their illegal contributions... But this is what you get when the harpy clinton machine starts its killing process.

 :)

It's a shame you are incapable of watching a video... Trump says it in the video... with his own mouth even... watch the fucking video you twat

 ;D

I watched the video. And Spendulus is 100% right and you are wrong.

This is what Trump said: General Pershing killed 49 terrorists with bullets dipped in pig's blood. He asked the 50th terrorist to go back to his people, and tell what happened to the rest of them.

Nowhere in that video he says that he want to kill Muslims with pig blood. And he never refers to "Muslims". I didn't heard him saying the word "Muslim" a single time in that video.

I know that you'll contradict me. That is why I am posing the entire conversation below:

This bernie sanders supporter, the OP, must be new to the game. But we are here to help him/her/it.

 :)

Smart bunch.

Wilikon, their kind of logic is exactly why I wouldn't mind seeing Bernie get elected, think of how fast the economy would crash and cause Bitcoin to rise :P

Yes. That is logical. Also TRUMP may not be pro-bitcoin, so it would make a lot of sense to have sanders as president instead.

The thing is, you still need enough people working real jobs, but not working for wall street, not working for the government, to pay their electric bill to keep enough bitcoin nodes alive for the network to be strong. Unless president sanders would pass a law letting people pay with their EBT card?

Amazon, google, microsoft could take care of the network for us instead, with exclusive sanders government contracts?

It is time for me to unlearn everything, stop reading books and other useless stuff, activate my facebook, reddit, instagram accounts and vote for bernie. I can feel the bern now... I do feel it. Time for Preparation H

 8)

Don't be in the self-destructive mode. An economic meltdown will not do any good for bitcoin. If that happens, then people will convert their assets to risk-free forms of wealth such as bullion and diamonds. High-risk investments such as Bitcoin will find few takers. This is exactly what happened in countries such as Greece and Cyprus.

Well, I did - in a way - but the predictions markets certainly aren't.


I guess the locked-up superdelegates and other locky-thingies will win in the end.

The bernie supporters, the children they are, were not told how the game is played. They were (and still are) wasting their energy and $$ attacking TRUMP now, instead of attacking clinton now.

From what I've seen while lurking at Democratic Underground (http://www.democraticunderground.com/), a lot of Progressives are really afraid - yes, afraid - that Donald Trump will win the Presidency. I haven't seen one post therein which optimistically compares Mr. Trump to Barry Goldwater (1964).

Presumably, they figure that Mr. Trump will blast away his unfavourables like he blasted through his Republican-only unfavourables over the past eight or so months. Really odd! As of now, Mr. Trump's general unfavourables are higher than Sarah Palin's were ~4 years ago. At that time, there was one DUer who posted on the Sarah-Palin-as-nom subject: "I smell...1964" (if she had won the Pubbie nom for '12)

Go figure! Mr. Trump has got them scared deep...

...and he just might swing his unfavourables around if he gets the nom...

The GOPe will try hard to help harpy clinton win, instead of TRUMP. D.U. can count on them...

Feel the Bern, you get Berned. :-\

They can't say it was false advertising. Just wait until next week for the real berning... Things will turn from sad to tragic...

Young and not so young people, brainwashed by SJW, telling them for years and months they were worthless, that their only hope in life was to help push for president sanders... When this goal is gone, how empty those people will feel? Dangerously suicidal. SJW will move on to the next fragile victims and do this all over again.

They need not to be left alone next week, and have all the psychological support in the world.

Wow... The way you put it, the SJWers sound like the Protestants' stereotype of the Vatican. "Your original sin is that you were born white. But you can expiate your original sin by..."

Hitlery swept the floor with Bernie in South Carolina. The results:

Hitlery - 73.5% of the vote, and 39 delegates.
Bernie - 26.0% of the vote, and 14 delegates.

Bernie performed even worse than expected. The African Americans preferred Hitlery by a huge margin.  

62% of the primary voters were black:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/SCDemPrimaryPolls_RaceCompareV2.png

And 16% of them felt the Bern:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/SCDemPrimaryPolls_BlackVote.png

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/SCDemPrimaryPolls_RaceRelationsV2.png

so logical .. i completely agree with you.. feeling bern makes you berned :)

Much like here, some folks have to learn the hard way.

Some folks needed good teachers first, to learn anything.

Just imagine if castro, stalin, mao, pol pot, etc, were all as brain dead zombies as today's berniebots.... Their names, forgotten forever, no bolshevik revolution, no little red books.

One Reddit r/politics commenter I just read opined that Bernie's campaign is sinking because socialists prefer to pass the buck. In Canader, this phenomenon is labeled "Too many chiefs, too few Indians."

[I have been wondering why "chiefs" hasn't been changed to "back-seat drivers" or "loudmouths"...]

because: diversity. Indian Chiefs are proud and would never be caught dead in the back of evil white man horseless machines

 ;)

Under bernie sanders how much will be taken in tax ..
any figures on how much you earn before you pay tax and how high is tax on how much you earn
I.E if i earn 20k a year how much tax 10% 5% what are these figures ?
He said 90% :o  50% does he even know what figures to put these taxes on..

I LIKE ANYTHING FREE ITS FREEEEEEEE  NICE ;D
But how will he do this.I could say i will give everyone 50k a year for free if you vote for me..then when i win say arrr i was only joking..Because this is what politicians do all the time say we promise you this and when they get in power they do none of the promises ..

SO ITS TIME TO GIVE TRUMP A SHOT ..POLITICIANS HAVE PISSED THE PEOPLE OFF
NOW ITS TIME TO PISS THE POLITICIANS OFF

Are those people for real?

OMG! Berniebots!

 ;D :D ;D

Wow. Just wow. These people are deluded. The fool in Nebraska freezing his family-out so he can contribute to Bernie's campaign is definitely feeling the bern...



"Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
 Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
 Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
 We have assumed control
 We have assumed control
 We have assumed control "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUzAWw4qsmA

Free stuff, free stuff
Can't have enough.
now Feel, now Feel
Bernie steal, steal

It's a shame people believe lies without bothering to check the facts

What free stuff has Bernie promised?

What has he stolen? (besides your heart, obviously)

All the haters are nothing but slander... I have not heard a single coherent argument against any of Bernie's policies... it's just a bunch of idiots who are scared of the word socialist

You need better training, dear berniebot San...

 ;D

Sorry, that is not anything Bernie ever said or supported... nice try troll

You'd be silly to think Trump supporters aren't calling people on the phone telling bullshit lies...

Your silly post is almost certainly fictional lander FROM a Trump supporter (like always)

Good news... the results are in...

Hillary took the ice-bucket challenge

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Nancy-Pelosi-Takes-The-ALS-Ice-Bucket-Challenge.jpg

Since Hillary melted, Bernie is now uncontested for the democratic nomination!

Kübler-Ross model


The Kübler-Ross model postulates a series of emotional stages experienced by survivors of an intimate's death, wherein the five stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

The model was first introduced by Swiss psychiatrist Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book, On Death and Dying, and was inspired by her work with terminally ill patients.[1] Motivated by the lack of curriculum in medical schools on the subject of death and dying, Kübler-Ross examined death and those faced with it at the University of Chicago medical school. Kübler-Ross' project evolved into a series of seminars which, along with patient interviews and previous research, became the foundation for her book. Since the publication of "On Death and Dying", the Kübler-Ross model has become accepted by the general public; however, its validity is not consistently supported by the majority of research.[citation needed]

Kübler-Ross noted later in life that the stages are not a linear and predictable progression and that she regretted writing them in a way that was misunderstood. Rather, these are a collation of five common experiences for the bereaved that can occur in any order, if at all.

Troll harder!

You are not trying hard enough... that can't be your best effort... come on man... gimme something worth trolling you back... you are pathetic

Name anything you don't like about Bernie or his policies... try it... don't be a pussy... U scared bro?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
 
Here's your free stuff.  When will you wackos figure out that nothing is free.  Free tuition!!! Yay, right?!?!?!  More social security, yay, right?!?!?!?  Extended healthcare coverage, yay, right?!?!?!
Anyway, you get the point.  Bernie will tax the crap out of everyone, and in so doing will kill job after job after job.  Here is what happens:

Economic Impact
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, Senator Bernie Sanders’s tax plan would reduce the economy’s size by 9.5 percent in the long run. The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs. The smaller economy results from higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income.
Table 2.
Economic Impact of Senator Sanders’s Tax Reform Proposals
GDP  -9.5%
Capital Investment  -18.6%
Wage Rate  -4.3%
Full-time Equivalent Jobs (in thousands)  -5,973

Stop saying he hasn't offered anything for free.  He wants to extend the welfare state, thats "free food, utilities, etc."  Moloch have you ever lived in a socialist country??

You realize trolling harder on bitcointalk.org is not going to help bernie this week, yes? You wish clinton away. But sending her in the cornfield, like that famous Twilight zone episode, is not reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jocI_R8lMpM

 :)

So, you admit that you know nothing about Bernie Sanders, or his policies?

You are simply here to troll a good man that you have not researched?

I am here because I was invited by you. Your thread was pushing 700, 800 views. I came to help you have more visibility. Now look at those beautiful numbers. More than double!

Too late for bernie though...

 :)

It's a shame all you can think about is trolling... Nobody but you gives a shit about how many views a thread has

I would much prefer this thread to be filled with content, policies, education, etc...

If you are only here to post off-topic bullshit... DON'T!


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who cares about non-billionaires...

Bernie has a 50 year track record of standing up for the middle-class, African-american rights, gay rights, etc

Hillary has a track record of standing up for corporations, banks, and billionaires who give her money...

Trump has a track record of being a greedy, hateful bigot, who only cares about himself

Who???

lol...

Typical American. This is why your country is nothing but the true illustration of Idiocracy.

You'd rather laugh at an intelligent man, wise and willing to fight for his country and go vote for a freak that makes you laugh while he's mocking disabled persons.

Exactly... Americans are too stupid these days... they would rather hate that which they don't understand than spend an hour getting to know the man and his policies...

America is all about choosing your team (rep/dem), then being a cheerleader by making false claims against a candidate of whom they are completely ignorant


The only reason Trump stands a chance is, because Americans are so full of hatred, they buy into all his hateful rhetoric

For anyone who has bothered to learn about all the candidates before making a decision, Bernie is the only reasonable choice (of the remaining candidates)

Of course but Trump makes them laugh.
Trump is just like them. He's greedy as fuck and blames the migrants.

Why would they think 2 mins about the fact that it's simply WRONG that one's got to take a 200k$ loan to go through his studies. That it's simply WRONG to have your retirement assets played by private companies on stock options. That it's simply WRONG to have a totally free market allowing companies to make higher profits every year while tightening the wages.

This thread should be kept open way after bernie sanders WILL quit.

 :D

Exactly!

People who want to blame outsiders for their problems... vote Trump!

Blame the Mexicans, blame the Muslims, blame the gays... Sounds just like Christianity to me, no surprise he's winning the republican hate-vote


Bernie has pointed out the people who are really to blame, and its the insiders... the establishment... don't let Trump misguide you

But it doesn't do any good to push the Bern.  Listen, I FEEL FOR the Bern, because of the way he's getting kicked on and laughed at by Super Delegates and coin tosses going to Hillary.   The corruption of the Democratic party is right out in the open here. 

Also, the corruption of the Repub party is right out in the open.

Don't worry.  After the last gasp of the Bern, you will still be welcome in the Trump tent.

I keep telling him/her/it the same thing, the focus should be against harpy clinton now, TRUMP later. I have said the beautiful 24k Gold TRUMP doors will always be open to them, after...

The anti TRUMP / anti harpy rhetoric ratio from the OP is telling. That is why they are losers: they could not see who their real enemy was.

... Because the free bernie college does not provide Sun Tzu studies...

 8)

What you don't understand is that Trump represents everything we hate.

He's a selfish greedy freak.

Give me one thing he ever done that is good for the people, for America.

Please quit trolling here... you make yourself and Trump look bad when you lie

No worries about Sun Tzu, I have read his book twice... It's a good one... I particularly like the opening scene, how about you?

FYI: the prediction markets for 2016 President (http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner) give very slight, super-longshot odds on Elizabeth Warren winning the Presidency. See the entry for her in "2016 Presidential Election – Winner (Individual)" in the middle of the above-linked page.

According to a report I just read, Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce he's jumping in (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1381596.0) as an independent candidate. Any chance of Sen. Warren doing the same?

I am certainly open minded about potential 3rd party candidates as well, but I don't think anyone has officially announced yet

I think the green party will run Jill Stein again... She got around 500,000 votes in the 2012 election... Currently the record for a female presidential candidate

If 2+ females run as independents, they could steal a lot of Hillary's votes... I hear her votes are 80% women

Is the green party supporting bernie?

Umm, no? Are you retarded?

Green parties all over europe always support socialist candidates. Since a lot of europeans already contributed to bernie's American campaign, and are planning to vote for bernie illegally, why not? He cares for global warming.

Maybe - but it won't take away her black support. You do have to admit, she running as the standard-bearer of "Obama's Third Term" did help her.

The weird thing is, PredictWise's implied percentage for the Democratic candidate to win the Presidency (http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner) is 64%. It's weird for two reasons:

• It bucks the prior odds: the only "Incumbent's Third Term" candidate out of the last six to win was George H.W. Bush in 1988;
• The handicappers in that particular market have roundly ignored Donald Trump's dominance and Hillary Clinton's "superdominance." They seem to care nothing about his popularity or her past.

In the abstract, the markets are favouring a long-shot result that the raw "prior probabilitiy" places at 5-to-1 against.

Wrong. They support him in the last part only not on the beginning of the race.

I do not think you have that right.  If you believe in politicians and not businessmen, that is a problem in and of itself.  There would be virtually nothing in America if not for businessmen.  You'd be looking at herds of buffalo and a population of a few million, at the most.

Post #56 is a masterpiece of ignorance, a chocolate fountain of liquid brain cells, kept gently at room temperature by a hot plate of bad historical revisionism... no wonder bernie has so many supporter like him/her/it.





 :D

I don't know if this was discussed, but if Bernie Sanders doesn't win the nomination, do you think he will run as an independent?  I think there is a good chance that Trump would do so if he doesn't win the republican nomination.

I am rooting for sanders to do just that. Neither GOPetablishment nor the DNC will let outsiders take over what took them years of corruptions to build...

Yes the establishment in both parties is corrupt.  They are all bought by the corporations and the wealthy.  This year, there may be a slim chance that a third party candidate could win.  Still unlikely.

After you morons vote for The Bern and wake up to a bad hangover of BernOut, I'll explain to you how babies are made.

No, he won't. Everyone knows that Ralph Nader's Green party candidacy in 2000 all-but put George W. Bush in the White House. Had Mr. Nader not run, the 9/11 President would have been Al Gore.

Already, the handicappers & political junkies have said that Michael Bloomberg getting into the race (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1381596.0) will help Trump and hurt Hillary. Sen. Sanders running as an independent will only make things harder for Hillary - and easier for The Donald.

I'm sure Sen, Sanders knows this, and has already decided not to run as an independent on those grounds. Re-igniting The Bern would prolong the fun, sure as shootin', but it would only be a campaign of & for "beautiful losers." That's what the "Cold Equations" imply.

Even though Trump is bullying his way to the republican nomination, I'm not sure that independents will vote for him in the general election.  He has said many extreme things in this campaign.  There could be room for a third party candidate to get some republican votes, some democratic votes and most of the independents.

According to the various opinion polls and sample surveys, Trump's support level is higher among the independent voters, than it is among the GOP rank and file. His huge margin of victory in Nevada was mostly attributed to independents enrolling in the Republican caucus, and then voting for him. The same happened in New Hampshire as well.

All a 3rd does is give the election to #1 or #2.

So go ahead Bern.  Be #3 and help out Trump.

Here's a keep-the-faith link for ya:


http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/no_bernie_sanders_moment_isnt_over_why_his_gargantuan_impact_cant_be_erased_by_a_super_tuesday_drubbing/

Yep, it's up on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/48fsdv/no_bernie_sanders_moment_isnt_over_why_his/

He has made it very clear that if he loses the Democrat primary, then he is going to support Hitlery. Remember the argument: "both of us are much better than any of them (republicans)"?

And talking about #3, it is most likely to be Marco Rubio, or Mitt Romney. How that is going to help Trump?

The only Rubio 3rd which could happen is one funded by the Saudis backing Hillary, in order to effect a Hillary win.  But that boy does not have the staying power for such a thing.  Neither Rubio or Romney would ever go outside the Republican party to get elected.

Trump would because he knows what a farce they are.  But he's promised not to, IIRC.

That's why I hate America and its corruption. Americans seriously believe that businessmen have built a better world. They seem to forgot that they didn't, workers built a better world. Businessmen just happenned to manage it and keep 90% of the profit that's all.

Not saying they're bad. Just that they're not the most important!

The world could go on without businessmen. But wouldn't go far without workers.

Seems like America forgot where it came from.

This is seriously incredible.

Why are the Americans agreeing with a system in which nobody can be a candidate except those who have the financial support of the establishment?

I think there is still a chance the Bernie get the democratic nomination with all of the states that are remaining.  He did ok on Tuesday.  He lost the southern states that a democrat is not going to get in a general election anyway.  He also get almost half of the delegates from Mass. even though he technically lost the state.

Well it would be a first in History no?

As far as I know, nobody lost the super Tuesday and then won the election.

They are not.  This is a peculiar Democrat type of corruption.

I was more talking about the fact that nobody can run for a campaign without having a financial backup of numerous companies or private donors. Obviously they'll expect in return.

That doesn't allow the common citizen to run for president. Which is a shame cause what most countries need right now, is just a common citizen.

What I don't like about this thread is that obviously only the author supports bernie sanders.
Lots of posts are just a disgrace to read, pointing out this guy would only be a old, sabbling crook.
And that is exactly the point were this starts to hurt.

Pls give this guy the dignity and respect he has earned, and deserves.
There are soo much and plenty of videos on Youtube showing the poverty in this rich country.
by all means, this are not just black or colored people, or old people, or handicaped,
but also such who spoke out against social injustice. They lost their job because of that.
Though the states have constitutional rights, there is a lot of mobbing, for all those "dreamers".
All of them who want to make their country better, maybe not with a good speech and professional manners like obama,  
but honest in their intention.
And what do we do?
We start laughing at them, waiting for them to stumble and fall due their own greed, prejudice and racism.
We know this can happen to all of us. But some of us find more joy in being stupid.
Sitting in the gallery like Statler and Waldorf, making jokes, and beginning to enjoy our own growing decadency.
Cheers!

Okay, that's certainly true.  At least in practice, let me explain.  A candidate can run with IIRC $92M in public provided funding.

But Obama's illegal contributions from overseas alone were about $90M.

And that's only after winning the primary.  So yes, there need to be heavy pockets behind candidates.  Which means company or industrial money for the most part.

America definitely needs to get money out of politics.  All of the establishment candidates are working for the same people and its not the average voter.

Sure, okay.  Then let's give Trump the dignity and respect he has earned and deserved.

Works both ways, right?

Then what do we do with Hillary and her disgraceful lying about Bengazi?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Which is what I'm denouncing.

The only correct way to get elections is to limit the amount of public exposure of candidates in order to make them equal, and to put a limit to the budget of the campaign, limit by the law and repaid by the states in order for everyone to be able to run.

Bill Clinton was illegally campaigning for Hillary in Mass on election day!

You are not allowed to campaign within like 500 feet of a voting booth, and he was inside the building, making an appearance in support for Hillary... that's 100% illegal, and I've even seen a petition to arrest the former president for the violation

If not for Bill Clinton's illegal campaigning, Mass almost certainly would have gone to Bernie, making it a 6 to 5 state win... cant get any closer

   The powers that be are not going to let go of the power they be.

Bill Clinton's security was also apparently blocking access to the polling place so voters couldn't get in.  That's also illegal and maybe worse than campaigning illegally.  But you know they won't get in trouble for it.  It was barely even reported.

I can feel the bern lol but its not gonna happen, i dont want trump to win but i think thats gonna happen.

It doesn't matter whether he was there illegally or not. The thing is that the Democrat establishment will not nominate anyone other than Hitlery for the POTUS elections of 2016. So in the end Sanders is going to lose, no matter what happens during the primaries. Even if Sanders is able to secure a greater number of delegates when compared to Hitlery, the latter would still be the Democrat nominee.

The establishment for both parties is going to fight against the non-establishment (Trump and Sanders).  Unfortunately Sanders doesn't have a very good chance of getting past Hillery but I think it's possible.

Although I am pro Trump, this is disgraceful and blatantly corrupt.

This wasn't a fluke. It was by design from the get-go. All the democrats are sharing the blame. They never protested. They loved it. Can't turn the clinton machine off and cry to mummy now, unless it is mummy clinton... Yes, this is corruption, but the dnc was better prepared to create a firewall in case of a berning. People in the conservative side knew something was up years ago and lots and lots of people were very open and critical about it. Not the case with leftists, until bernie came and some saw an opportunity. Bernie had multiple occasions attacking the clinton machine, live on television. Instead he defended her:

"We're tired of hearing about Hillary's emails"
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/bernie-sanders-were-tired-of-hearing-about-hillarys-emails/"...

Listen to her laughing at his face. What's going on here?

Do not feel sorry for them. They paid for it, knowing very well the crap sandwich they were buying. When I saw that video I knew bernie was nothing he claimed to be.

Well, you got it.  That cackling greedy laugh. 

Wow...

I think the reason why Bernie Sanders doesn't want to hear about the emails is that he wants to talk about his campaign issues.  Most all candidates are making personal attacks.  I think Bernie is different and prefers to talk about what make him different from her in terms of policy.

Does not matter what you think.  He should have attacked the bald faced liar, Hillary, on the subject of the email server.  The reason is that's not even an "attack."  It's what's simply right to do.

What he did is condone it.  What you are doing is trying to justify his condoning it.

It's not looking good for mr. sanders. although I think he's a good candidate I just don't see him winning with all the pressure that bills putting on him.

He is too old and just don't look as good as trump on tv. My coins on Trump this year.

That would be my second choice.

Big setback for Hillary. Sanders won Kansas by a 35 plus point margin!

Sanders also won Nebraska (by more than 10 points), while Hitlery won Louisiana as expected with 70% of the vote. Hitlery is still in the race just because of the blind African American support. But the Southern state primaries are mostly over, and as the race moves to states dominated by liberal and young voters such as California, Washington, and Oregon, she is going to struggle.

And the Sanders-will-win-the-Dem-nom contracts have perked up (http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination). But not by much: his implied odds have gone up from 4% to 7%.

Interesting results :)
I feel that this year we have a lot ''protest'' votes in this elections.
Many people giving protest votes because they are not content with official politicians, Congress, politics, government etc.
Trump and Sanders are perfect example.
It's clear that they are not part of establishment in Washington and their statements are often out of control.
But, doesn't matter really what they say, even some stupid or funny things, people will vote for them because they hate official politic candidates or politic parties.
It seems America changed a lot in last decade.

Movie: you have been accused of a heinous crime. You are in a court room. The prosecutor is pleading for lethal injection. Things are not looking good for you, but you have hope. Bernie is your lawyer, the prosecutor is clinton...

Do you believe, based on that exchange in the video, you would have a chance in hell escaping the needle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn200lvmTZc&list=RDkn200lvmTZc#t=9

But see...I know things bad.  But I got a solutions.  See...that Hitlery can't do this job.  This is Trump here.  He be delegatifiching, and git things done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA&index=3&list=RDkn200lvmTZc

Maine felt the Bern!

Maine caucus election results:

Bernie Sanders: 64.2%
Hitlery Clinton: 35.6%

Things are not all that rosy for Hitlery. If she loses Michigan tomorrow, then she will be in big trouble.

Michigan is my island!

New Democratic debate today, I'm watching it right now, new day same old bull.

What has he ever done for anyone in the country?

To answer this question can we ignore the likes of personal charity (I hear he's donated some 100M)?

I would like the answer to be something like "He created 10,000 jobs."

This has to be the biggest political self detonation gaffe ever: telling the truth about how you really feel about white people.


 ;D :D ;D

The Pointless Questions About God at the Democratic Debate Were Handled Well by Both Candidates
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/03/07/the-pointless-questions-about-god-at-the-democratic-debate-were-handled-well-by-both-candidates/ (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/03/07/the-pointless-questions-about-god-at-the-democratic-debate-were-handled-well-by-both-candidates/)

Bernie Sanders says God is relevant at CNN Democratic Debate 3/6/2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu0wKLO2z_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu0wKLO2z_I)

Seems like Bernie is going to win Michigan as well!

This was a real upset. All the opinion polls had him trailing Hitlery by at least 10 points (some of them had him down by as much as 30 points), and yet he is leading by 5% with more than two-fifth of the votes counted.

Is Bernie going to win Michigan?  They are saying he has a slight lead but no announcement yet.  I think this would be a big surprise since Clinton was leading in the poles.

Michigan is my island

Bernie won like I said he would... I'm probably the only person who called Michigan for Bernie

Good call Moloch!  The poles had it all wrong there.  I heard they had Clinton by 10 point and earlier had her by 30 points.  Sometimes the poling is not accurate or the questions are framed incorrectly.  Also, Bernie could have changed some people's minds in the last few days or weeks.

Well, Bern is actually keeping up the pace. Maybe he could come back?

Cause no doubt the gap is closing :P

And sometimes the polls are based on "registered voters" (democrats only), when Michigan is an open-primary (allows independents to vote) and should have been polled based on "likely voters" (registered democrats + independents)


Similarly, national polls which use "registered voters" show Bernie and Hillary tied... but "likely voter" polls show Bernie up by 6%+ nationwide (a week ago, prolly higher now)

Bernie beat the polling average in Michigan by 22.9%!  If all the polls favor Hillary by 20%+ higher than voters actually vote for her... Bernie might win by a landslide...

"What went wrong for Hillary Clinton in Michigan? (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/09/politics/hillary-clinton-michigan-loss/index.html)"

I thought you'd enjoy seeing this. It's from CNN.

So I guess Michigan was not a winner take all state.  Bernie Sanders only got a few more delegates than Hillary Clinton for his win in Michigan.

Bernie Sanders: I Smoked Marijuana Twice, And I Coughed... a Lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FkhSWCQ5kQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FkhSWCQ5kQ)

I don't think I could trust anyone who had only smoked it twice.

:)

Yeah? Cause marijuana is like an horrible drug? Much better to try cocaine or alcohol!

I'm hearing that Bernie won the debate last night pretty strongly.  That could give him some more momentum in the upcoming primaries.

It was a massacre...

If the debate were a boxing match, Bernie had the TKO by round 3

Bernie threw some serious punches, and Hillary had no defense... Bernie rope-a-doped Hillary all over the debate

So it looks like the tide could be turning, but he has a long way to go.  Can he win enough deligates to overcome Clinton's lead?

Clinton is leading by less than 200 delegates (superdelegates don't count)

The southern states hold primaries first, so it was an obvious early lead for Hillary...

After the 15th, which may be another split, it's all Bernie with the northern states

Well...Bernie's still a longshot according to the prediction markets. But his odds are definitely sneaking up: PredictWise's implied percentage (http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination) is now 9%. I remember it sinking to 4%.

Still a longshot, but with double the percentage of a week ago.

It's certainly an interesting race to watch. Essentially, Bernie's hope is to come on strong enough to sway the superdelegates over to his side like President Obama in '08.

How do the super delegates play into this?  Can they swing the election to Clinton even if Bernie wins the nomination?

Yes they can, because they're not bound by caucus or primary results.

It's never been done before, and would certainly destroy the party if they did such

Would he (Bernie) run as an independent if that happened?  The strange thing is that the same could happen in the republican party from what I hear except it's not super delegates but a brokered convention I think. That is if Trump has the most delegates but not 50%.

They don't care, and they don't care. 

That's what you are dealing with.

The answer is very simple.

Stop believing in and dealing with those types of people.

Superdelegates most of the time follow the majority vote then?

What are they used for then?

History lesson?

Before 1968, there was no primary vote... party leaders on both sides selected their candidate...

In 1982, democratic party leaders decided they wanted to pick the nominee again, so they invented superdelegates to override the popular vote

In 2008, most of the superdelegates pledged for Hillary Clinton early in the primary process (like they did this year)... after Barrack Obama gained a majority of the popular vote, the superdelegates changed their votes to support Obama instead of Hillary

Red Hot Chili Peppers "Feel The Bern"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykRjIdV_2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykRjIdV_2Y)

Art Garfunkel can #feelTheBern

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/266801-art-garfunkel-feels-the-bern (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/266801-art-garfunkel-feels-the-bern)

Thanks for the info.  I was not aware of the history of the superdelegates.  It sounds like they have all the power if they choose to use it.

Sarah Silverman can feel the bern!

Real Time with Bill Maher: Sarah Silverman Feels the Bern (HBO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SUQvEyobck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SUQvEyobck)

If she can pull some of the female vote away from Hillary, Bernie will win in a landslide (80% of Hillary voters are female)

Well sorry but I never studied the history of foreign primaries Oo

Anyway. Thanks for the info.

Sanders neck and neck with Hitlery in the states of Missouri, Ohio, and Illinois according to the latest opinion polls.

Missouri: Sanders - 47% vs Hitlery - 46% (PPP)
Illinois: Sanders - 48% vs Hitlery - 46% (CBS News/YouGov) and Hitlery - 48% vs Sanders - 45% (PPP)
Ohio: Hitlery - 51% vs Sanders - 46% (Quinnipiac)

Unpredictable!!!!

Yeah but we saw the efficiency of opinion polls...

It's hard to tell with the polls, but Sanders has shown growing momentum in supporters.  I think the polls tend to underestimate Sander's support for some reason.

Bernie Sanders Roasted at 1991 "Salute to Congress" Dinner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWq8uTO1hJ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWq8uTO1hJ0)

Moloch,

You did such a good job predicting Michigan, what are your predictions for tonight's voting?

Huge setback for Bernie. He is losing Ohio very badly. According to early results, Hitlery is leading by around 38 points. Exit polls suggest that he might narrowly win both Illinois and Missouri, but that is not enough. As expected, Hitlery is winning Florida and North Carolina.

The Republican race is even murkier. Trump lost Ohio, and he might lose Missouri as well. This can lead to a complete stalemate.

A broken clock is right, dice they say.

I just got approached today about who im voting for..

And honestly when these people were telling me how great it is, I`m just thinking of obama back then.

Seriously though, every time we get this whole grounded politician and then gets voted in office, he screws up playing as a lobbyist.

Nice lmao

Michigan was easy because they have an open-primary (and I lived there for 15 years)... since 80% of independents favor Bernie over Hillary, that will swing the vote ~20% towards Bernie

I figure as usual, Bernie wins the northern/democratic states, and Hillary wins the southern/republican states (though I consider Missouri northern and Ohio southern)

Not sure which is the best strategy... I suppose you need to win a few southern swing states like Florida to win a general election... But, what good is it to campaign in republican states like Texas? Hillary would never win Texas in a general election

Higher IQ = Bernie supporter

http://media2.abc15.com/photo/2015/11/22/KNXV%20Arizona%20intelligence%20graphic%20_1448201583413_27264549_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

Lol,

Not exactly Moloch. You're talking about IQ but the map is talking about education. Not the same thing you know? ;)

That map is quite interesting.

I would sum up Bernie with this pic.
http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/imageedit_2054_8668384447.jpg

Unfortunatelly politicians are like this, they say what people want to hear.

Well, socialists ideas are quite new in the USA.

And all candidates are fucking old. Don't know why people don't have the balls to vote for a 25/30 years old. He would be much better with lots of new ideas to deal with things.

If I recall correctly, Senators are required to be at least 30, and president/vp is required to be 35

If you read the text on the map you will see it combines 4 statistics

I suppose you could argue against including college graduation percentages, but IQ, SAT & ACT scores measure similar mental faculties

Same in France, there is a minimum age...

Which I don't understand. Why? I bet I'd do a much better job than all those old stupid corrupted old faggs...

But doesn't really matter. People wouldn't vote for a young, it would seem too dangerous for them. much better to give power to the same old white rich man...

Why? Because nobody wants a child-like emporess... 12 year olds don't know how to run a country... We leave that to North Korea

Don't freak out, Bernie will overtake Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJiHlYFstc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJiHlYFstc)

Yeah, much better to give power to an old politician who works in politics since he's 20. He'll be much less likely to use the opportunity he has to use the power for his own profits. Makes sense.

Whereas a clean young person with new ideas, an actual ideal and most of everything who hadn't the time to become a politician ready to use the power he got for himself, it seems like the worst idea ever for sure! Not like if presidents were surrounded by old experienced men already, and not like if presidents didn't have as much power as a dictator.

Well, no. I can't feel the been and never will. I consider myself to be fairly anti-communist, something Bernie is not.

He is offering everyone free stuff. Whether it's free university, free healthcare or something else, he wants to shred our country apart, destroy competition and give us MORE debt. He's a tax and spend kind of guy which never works in the end.

Also, about these "companies" who are stealing too much -- they aren't. It's called competition. If a company makes 100% of something it is in control of the price. If you want to change that, find a different company or start up your own. You don't need government to help you.

Finally, Wall Street is not as evil as you may say, and a tax will literally kill the economy. We'll lose so many investors just because a few people want to stop working and get FREE everything!

Sorry bud, Bernie got destroyed last night in ALL 5 states and will continue down that path.

Me, I'm not feeling the Bern, I want to Make America Great Again.

Actually (bolded above) socialists promote krony kapitalism, at which point they actually can whip up a fury about the "companies who are stealing too much..."

Yep. And the President has to be a "natural-born citizen" too.

But that's it. Hypothetically, Charlie Manson could run for President and not be disqualified by the Constitution.

Okay: the above example is silly. But if Hillary! is indicted before November, the underlying point will not be silly. If he or she gets enough electoral votes, an indicted person - or even a convicted felon - wins the Presidency. 

It is a shame you can't spell Bern, or understand that socialism is drastically different from communism, or that Bernie is not pro-communism

I can't read the rest of your propaganda after 3 blunders in your first sentence

Sorry, no... Fuck off loser... You are wrong on everything... Simply uninformed propaganda... Not even worth my time to read/debate such nonsense

No Moloch!  Don't do it!

  https://youtu.be/I0eU3Fr0nsY?t=1m6s (https://youtu.be/I0eU3Fr0nsY?t=1m6s)

...we might need you over here on the US side in the coming  months.  I would not rule out a Trump/Sanders ticket (but I would not give it high odds either.)

Funny... I mentioned a Sanders/Trump ticket to someone just yesterday...

But, it would never happen... I don't think Trump would take the VP position, and Sanders definitely would never let Trump be president on the Sanders/Trump ticket...


I'm not worried about Hillary... she's done... the southern states have voted... The rest of the states are all Bernie... Bernie will take the delegate lead by June

It just depends on how much he cares about the American people.  I would not know because I've not studied him.  As I said (correctly) it would be a waste of energy because he was obviously going to be crushed by the Democrat machine.  Or torched I should say.  #FeelTheBurn yet?

Says who?  Hillary? LOL
#feelTheFern

Did you not read the next sentence from my post?


It's literally the luck of the draw that Hillary-supporting states vote first in primaries... Hillary took the early lead, but Bernie states will vote soon enough... be patient...

Pffft.  Who cares?  It will only make you #FeelTheBurn that much more when they put in Hillary anyway.  Or more likely Joe Biden.

Sure, just understand that people like you are the reason the country is going to hell. You perfectly emphasize the point of why we need Trump.

Seriously, I can't feel the Bern but I also cannot feel the Been either. Come on it was typo. I've noticed that when people like you, lefties, notice typos that's the only thing you can use as an argument when you have no other way of responding. Sad, that's no argument.

If you want to talk, let's be serious. Bernie has countless times supported the Cuban communist regime and it undoubtedly going to continue the love fest with them if elected. He'll probably try making babies with the communism in North Korea since he loves it so much.

I want to hear what you have to say. You sound like a person who must have SO many people who loves them - I am so interested in hearing your badshit crazy reasoning for why Bernie should be elected -- and why he isn't radical. Go on.

Finally, let me emphasize your main argument: "Fuck off loser... You are wrong on everything..."

Oh wait, I thought the democrats (lefties) were supposed to be nice. I thought you were the party of acceptance that's sure what Bernie and Hillary bitch about all day. This is what you social justice retards do when you have no argument which is always.

Whatever, you'll learn. You're probably just some kid stuck with student loans and have read memes on Tumblr that make you feel like you actually understand politics. Otherwise you'd remember Reagan and be on the Trump Train as soon as possible.

Don't get so butthurt...

I mention the typo because it's a sign of low intelligence... people with an IQ of 80 misspell an average of one word per sentence... and are completely uninformed on everything... I don't waste my time reading ignorant propagandic rubbish

Granted, you only misspelled 1 word in your first sentence, but I didn't read the rest since it was obvious propaganda... you don't even understand the difference(s) between communism and socialism!

You are completely ignorant of Bernie Sanders and his policies... don't pretend you know what you are talking about because you do not

In Britain the minimum age is 18 to get into Parliament. The youngest ever Prime Minister was William Pitt the Younger who became PM when he was just 24 in the late 17th century.  See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pitt_the_Younger

He was a very good Prime Minister too.

Again this proves you don't have a clue. If the IQ point is your main support argument think again. Someone could've misspelt because : English isn't their first language, their keyboard is wacked or they don't give a flying fuck. I'm more of the third.

By the way, you really aren't proving anything if you're saying that someone is promoting propaganda if you haven't even read what they have to say. It's usually people like you who are promoting propaganda. Ps it makes you look like an idiot.

Finally, please. I've watched almost every single Bernie Sanders speech/video and read everything on his site. Not only that, I've done the same for Hillary, Trump, Cruz and Rubio. The others I couldn't care less about. Don't come to me telling me I am ignorant (if you didn't know, that means uninformed). I am presenting a logical argument.

Bernie Sanders has a radical position of which you don't understand. He doesn't want to defeat radical Islam nor does he want to defend YOUR freedoms. He's running off of a platform that will supposedly give you everything you've ever wanted for free. Guess what? He's going to get into the White House and do absolute jack shit!

Please. Do us all a favour and READ before responding. Otherwise leave bitcointalk and head on back to tumblr.

Fine stupid fucker, I'll refute your earlier post where you are wrong on everything... will that shut you up?



Wrong * 13... not very lucky for you... and not worth my time debating with someone who is literally wrong on every statement they make

Your entire post is ignorant speculation. You did not post a single fact, or back up a single claim with any supporting evidence

Do some research and get back to me


PS. Misspelt is a misconjugation... the word you are looking for is, misspelled

I'll respond in a logical fashion to each of your wrongs. By the way, I won't respond with a one word answer, to quote you "stupid fuck".

Wrong 1: Bernie has continually praised the government of Cuba. One that is known for being VERY pro-communist and that has destroyed private business. Everyone works for the government and it is in control. The poverty rate is very high and unemployment has sky rocketed. When I call Bernie a communist, it's obviously an exaggeration but he has so many policies that resemble such that we have seen in many communist regimes.

Wrong 2: yes he is. Free college (mainly for blacks, he doesn't usually talk about whites), free healthcare. A lot of free stuff -- but a lot of expensive stuff too. The government cannot afford his plans UNLESS they increase taxes. Do you really want that? More taxes ONTOP of Obamas?

Wrong 3: Well it was an exaggeration. Our country will be destroyed if a democrat is elected, they'll let sharia law take over.

Wrong 4: socialism or communism BOTH destroy competition. And, unless he taxes us like crazy, the national debt will rise.

Wrong 5: How else will be pay? Other than taxes?

Wrong 6: Ok, thanks for giving me a synonym. Not sure how this is actual a wrong because we both agree but sure go ahead!

Wrong 7: No, not necessarily. If a company is very successful It is was it is. Why the hell do you need some corrupt idiot in the White House to break it up for you?

Wrong 8: Not sure how to respond because you didn't give many words. Wall Street isn't bad. I'll leave it up to you.

Wrong 9: Yes taxes kill the economy. All economic systems that have low taxes have always prospered.

Wrong 10: It's called a turn off. Most people experience it when they are no longer sexually aroused due to some unexpected circumstances. Same idea here.

Wrong 11: In most states last night Hillary got more than Bernie. She also has all the super delegates. Face it she's already the winner. Bernie's just in it to make a point.

Wrong 12: He can go all to the convention. It won't change anything.

Wrong 13: Um, not sure how this is a wrong either! I DO want to Make America Great Again. How is my belief in an opinion wrong again?

Wow 13 "wrongs" made right! Were those all the best arguments you've got? Seriously. Some "wrongs" don't even make sense! Please, if anyone is ignorant it's you. I will happily await your response. Otherwise, I'm ready for President Trump.

PS No, look it up! Misspelt is the BRITISH way of spelling and misspelled is the AMERICAN adaptation. Kind of like FAVOURITE and FAVORITE.

I'm done with you

You do not know what you are talking about at all...

I will not waste all day with your shotgun propaganda... I will not debate 13 different ignorant statements at once

You are clearly a Bernie hater, for whatever reason, and are blind to reality... It would be like trying to convince a Christian that God isn't real... Waste of time...

OK.

Hopefully some other Bernie bots will come across this and see how completely STUPID their fellow bots are. I mean come on. You can't even engage in a discussion! You just call it "trolling"!

And then when you do engage in a discussion, you present the most idiotic points. Whatever, it's a shame that people like you don't even know how to defend what you want. That's why Hillary will win the nomination and then Trump will beat her.

I'm happy though - Hillary is too unstable to be president. Because of that, Trump will beat her EASILY. So please, continue your ignorance. And yes, you're the most ignorant uninformed person I've ever found.

You're going to help Make America Great Again. Thank you and have a great day. (See we Trump supporters are HUMANE, we don't go KILLING people like you guys do when you disagree with someone which is, by the way, bigotry)

I feel it is unproductive to engage with trolls... You have no interest in debate or reality, you simply want to troll me and Bernie Sanders

Anyone who thinks socialism is evil, and corporations & wall-street are not... Doesn't understand the reality of the situation

If anything, socialism could be compared to Robin Hood... Isn't he considered the good guy?

Why do you support the sherrif of Nottingham (Trump) over Robin Hood (Bernie Sanders)?

Oh so you want to talk again? Sure, I'm all for it.

You literally just said that anyone who does not support the same ideology as you (that is socialism) doesn't understand reality. Dude, that's called bigotry. You can't stand another opinion. Do I think liberals are fucked up? Sure, but I accept that some of them are very smart and know what they're doing, just have bad approach.

And your analogy makes no sense. Socialism is about creating one BIG corporation and that's the government. You'll get the exact same thing that you're getting now but from the government. I don't care who runs it, it never works. Didn't work with Stalin, didn't work with Castro.

I understand the reality of the situation very well. You already have socialism in America. We don't need a bigger government that can spy on us and control our every move! We need a small government.

And it's not that I just support Trump, I support many republicans. But Trump is the only conservative who I see winning the White House (well they all win but he'll win easily).

That's why I support him. Smaller government, lower taxes.

I am assuming you'll tell me once again I am trolling, am ignorant and you have no time yet you'll still want to talk. No worries I am always open to it - I like seeing all opinions not just my own!

Have a great day!

It would be polite of you to not put words in my mouth... I did not say what you claim I said...

Would you like to debate Bernie's policies?  I'm all for that...


What do you think about Trump's healthcare plan vs Bernie's healthcare plan?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/Trumps Health Care Reform Plan Falls Far Short (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-health-care-reform-plan-falls-far-short)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/Clinton And Sanders Are Both Right About The History Of Health Reform (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-health-reform_us_56e715c9e4b065e2e3d6e14f)



How do you feel about Bernie Sanders winning the poll for, "The most trustworthy person to lead the nation’s military"?
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2016/03/15/poll-who-voters-want-for-the-next-commander-in-chief/ (http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2016/03/15/poll-who-voters-want-for-the-next-commander-in-chief/)

No it's just that I have a life and actually do have other things to do than replying to people like you on bitcointalk.

I'd be more than willing to debate anything and I think I've proven that if you look at previous posts of mine.

Right off the bat, I must criticize your sources. You used MSNBC (hates Trump) and huffington post (hates Trump) as sources and thus they do not really prove much. Anyway, I won't call you ignorant or any other name, I'll just continue.

Let's start off with the very liberal MSNBC. By the way, they literally cheer lead for Obamacare but I digress. All it says in that article is the truth: Trump is going to scrap Obamacare (as he SHOULD, any conservative SHOULD) and replace it with something better. That obviously means privatizing it and letting the companies deal with it. It's noteworthy that he'd never let anyone die on the street. Of course, there may be costs, but our healthcare system would work so much better and people would be a lot better off.

The affordable care act was really created by Hillary. I am sure that if she gets into office she'll change its title to "Hillary care" because those are her priorities. However, the plan has made costs, including premiums, go through the roof and, on top of all the expenses we must pay, it doesn't even cover everyone.

Now take a look at Bernie, he wants to introduce universal healthcare. This is something that interests me a little, because it's worked in many places (supposedly). In Canada, there is universal healthcare and they're not spiraling into debt. Of course, they deal with about 1/10 of the population of the US and that would mean the US has to shove more cash into the healthcare throat. Regardless of population size, wherever universal healthcare may be found, there is always a long, long wait time for the person. While it can be beneficial to them if they need expensive surgery a lot of the time it's simple checkups or minor issues.

For the government to have to pay a lot of money for 300 or so million people is already ridiculous but on top of that there will be increasing wait times.

To me, that's ridiculous. You live in the United States (and this applies to Canada, too). You have an equal chance at earning a lot of money as the next person, you CAN earn enough to pay for medical insurance. We'll have more money for investments, more JOBS, and a better experience overall. I see no problem whatsoever with a conservative approach. (It doesn't even have to be Trump, although I like his plan, it could be any republican)

tl;dr

You assume way too much, I used Google and handed you the most recent article for each search...

I searched for "Donald Trump health care policy", etc... Completely unbiased (other than I am quite familiar with both so I knew the types of articles which would appear)


You came in here talking shit about Bernie... 13+ incorrect statements in your first post without a single shred of evidence to back up any of your claims... go troll somewhere else

That wasn't long. Unless you're like 12 and don't want to read long texts.

If you want, we could stop using facts and just throw words like "ignorant" out at eachother! Well, you already started the train. Why don't I continue? You're ignorant! Stop with the ignorant bullshit! Stop! Stop!

So you handed any article without doing any prior research? You realize that, when doing that, you're most likely not going to come across any credible source right? In fact you didn't. You gave me MSNBC and the Huffington Post, both extremely biased towards the left. You could've even handed me something from Fox, sort of biased towards the right, although not always, and I still would've told you to get better sources.

I have a fair amount to do tonight and am busy so are you going to add anything else or should I just conclude that Donald Trump is the best? Well, I think I know what I will do anyway however, got any other buzz words to throw at me?

Kid, quit talking shit every post and just get to the subject, or I wont even read it... get a fucking clue

I don't mind talking about policies, but I refuse to play who has the bigger trollpenis

Ok well this is dumb. This conversation is reminding me too much of when I would argue with my siblings as a kid. Although even THAT had some intelligence to it. No facts, just loving Bernie and his communist-mobile.

Anyway, thanks for debate. I have too much to do now to respond to this argument and quite frankly I don't believe I will want to respond later.

Enjoy your day!

Edit: your posts are reloading with more text. I don't think it's my internet but maybe. Still I don't really care who has the bigger troll penis, but, let's be honest, it's probably Trump. (Now THAT'S trolling) Have a great day!

Oh god.  All politicians are bad in my opinion.  It's gotten this bad for me:  As long as Donald Trump does not get elected, I'll be happy with the result.  And in this case I am not sticking with the traditional definition of happy.

I almost hope the Don does get elected so America learns it's lesson... the hard way...

When people don't learn their lesson, they keep trying stupid shit

Please don't respond with more trolling!

Also do more research... the affordable care act was not created by Hillary, it's a well-known fact that it began as a republican bill

Feel free to talk about the various policies or statements of each man... please keep the conversation about the candidates, not you and I... thanks

It's a sad day for all of us. The prospects don't look good!
I cant imagine Hillary, Bernie or Trump as president. Can you?
Hillary will just be another puppet just like Obama is, Bernie will charge us taxes till our eyes bleed and Trump... What can I say, he's a racist, sexist, dummy. He would be the worst.
Depending on how this general election goes I may need to consider moving north.

I can certainly see Trump being president but then again I am very biased.

You're right Hillary is a puppet.
You're right Bernie will tax us.
You're not right on Trump. Again I am biased but seriously. No he's not racist. No he's not sexist. And he built one of the best companies in the world, on top of that turned $1 million into over $4 billion. He's no dummy. Not the worst but I am assuming you're getting that "idea" from watching CNN, MSNBC or The Young Turks, right?

Anyway, I highly recommend you stay in the US, even if Trump wins. Up in Canada, it's Prime Minister Selfie-- sorry Trudeau. Only cares about himself and no one else. But hey, you'll get a great selfie, eh?

So Bernie Sanders is still in the race and we know that mathematically he could still pull it out.  However, what states does he need to win and how big in order to make a come back?

Really, not a raciest? He eluded to a possibility of having Muslims wear arm bands, sounds a bit naziish to me.

It may sound a bit like nazi - although I totally disagree - however that seems like an acceptable point.

Understand that being muslim is not a race, it's a religion. Therefore meaning, even if he said that he hated all muslims (which he hasn't) he still wouldn't be racist.

To the original point, if he eluded to something that does not mean he actually believes it. I've watched many of his speeches and he has never said such a thing. The only thing he's said about muslims was to ban their entry in the US. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone since we've seen muslims killing people in countries like Syria and Iraq and, on  top of that, countries like Germany that have allowed these "refugees" entrance have seen increased amounts of rape and assault. We need to figure out what's going on. A temporary ban on muslims entering the US seems perfectly acceptable to me. The only tracking of muslims we should do is convicted criminals who have been muslim - otherwise we just need to figure out what's going on.

Regardless of what he does, let's get the facts straight, being anti-muslim (of which both Trump and I are NOT) is not being racist.

I think the basic idea of what Trump floated is wrong and I would hope that he would change his mind somewhat even if it did add slightly to certain kinds of risks.

That said, consider that the same guy who funded the recent mob break-up of a Trump rally in Chicago also funded efforts to produce how-to guides to show people from all over North Africa and the Middle East how to get into Europe and stay.  Other kinds of support to no doubt.  The guy has made his billions by breaking countries economically, and for some potential future targets it's probably easier to do when they've been softened up socially by overwhelming pressure from 'immigrants'.  Especially when said immigrants impose a strain on the welfare system.

It is fairly well known that ISIS is at it's core a bunch of mercenaries pulled from various places and funded by the U.S., Gulf monarchies, and Israel.  Probably others as well.  The goal is to litterally shatter countries for stratigic reasons.  When Libya was done they moved to Syria.  When Putin put the pressure on in Syria, the wave of 'immigrants' channeled North by Soros seemed to become a tsunami.  If that dynamic is even suspected to have resulted in some souls landed on our shores, it makes a certain amount of sense to pay some attention and mitigate the threats that could be posed for a certain amount of time.

How do people defend bigotry with semantics?

Racism by another name is still ignorant bigotry...

As always, it's the thought that counts...

Problem being they won't learn their lessons.

They get dozens of mass shooting every year and the highest murder rate of Western world but still want to keep their guns. They saw a president assassinated but they're ok with the magic bullet explanation. They were send to war in a totally irrelevant country for totally BS reasons but they went nevertheless, and with a smile.

They're dumb. Nothing to save here. Just kill them all.

If you can't beat him, join him?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/12/watch-saturday-night-lives-hillary-clinton-morphs-into-bernie-sanders/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/12/watch-saturday-night-lives-hillary-clinton-morphs-into-bernie-sanders/)

I'm glad your real self is emerging.

Bernie Sanders' Wife, Jane, Tours Tent City, Challenges Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Racial Profiling
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bernie-sanders-wife-jane-tours-tent-city-challenges-sheriff-joe-arpaio-on-racial-profiling-8138487 (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bernie-sanders-wife-jane-tours-tent-city-challenges-sheriff-joe-arpaio-on-racial-profiling-8138487)

Already acting like the first-lady

When I was a young boy, my father took me into the city to see a marching band.

He said, "Son when you grow up, would you be the savior of the broken, the beaten and the damned?"
He said, "Will you defeat them, your demons, and all the non-believers, the plans that they have made?"

And I told him.

"Dad."

"First I'm getting some beers.  Then I'm going to work and get a car.  Then I'm going to take girls out in that car and have fun.  Might have to work hard, yeah."

"And then, you know what?  Those broken, beaten, damned, defeated, demons, and non-believers?"

"Those are your demons, Dad.  Stop trying to push them off on me.  Stop trying to convince me of that Bernie-brain-mush.  And while we're having this little talk, Dad—'

"Let's move on from this apeshit fucking dull marching band and hit a bar or two.  See the dancing girls show.  Watch the poker game.  Because we both know you were going to dump me in a motel, and then after I went to sleep, that's where you were headed."

This is new...

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/712043724830842883 (https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/712043724830842883)

www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-bernie-sanders-100000-donation-charity (http://www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-bernie-sanders-100000-donation-charity)

#FeelTheBermaid

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/12321360_10156728813380078_4656454977609791767_n.png?oh=67488af3847f28eba0b9a3cc90a6b560&oe=574C1F22

I was watching TYT and they said that Bernie has turned down multiple invitation to be interviewed by them.  It seems like he would jump at the chance to go on a friendly online news program that has lots of viewers.  Why won't he do it?  He could spread his message to the younger folks.

Not really sure, but it might be because TYT viewers are already voting for Bernie... it's like preaching to the choir... he'd rather convert the unbelievers

Looks like TYT just got their interview with Bernie...

I see a few small clips being uploaded... Waiting for the full interview myself

Yeah I just heard that he finally agreed to an interview.  I will try to watch some clips of it tomorrow when I get a chance.

They had to wait until it was a certainty that he would play his choke artist roll and not fuck up and actually win over Hillary.  Now it's safe.  Maybe.  There is some danger that TYT could suck his dick so hard that it could actually detach from the rest of his body.

OTOH, it is possible that TYT could be resigned to Hillary and turn from being at least thoughtfully critical on real problems to being full on cheerleaders.  Just like that did with Obamacare.  These people are as phony as they come.  And I used to pay some attention to them a number of years ago.  Silly me.

I am going to guess here that TYT translates to "the young turks," paid propaganda operatives.

Anything else to be said?

Do you really think independent media pushes more "paid propaganda" than establishment media?

Not sure about TYT.  It is possible to be a lap-dog for the establishment just because one is brainwashed.  Probably some combination of this applies here.

You think TYT is pro-establishment?  Have you seen TYT?!?  Are you mentally handicapped?

I used to watch them fairly regularly.  Their shtick is to play anti-establishment to pick up uninformed mouth-breathers who are incapable of independent critical analysis, but when the chips are down they are pro-establishment.  100%

Who do you mean by "they"?

You certainly couldn't say that about Jimmy... (or most/all of them)

Yes that is accurate.  100%.  I don't really see how anyone would think otherwise.  Maybe if say Republicans were in power then this sleezeballs could claim they were "anti-establishment."

They certainly do not have any libertarian bent, nothing but straightline progressive crap.

I liked their interview of Bernie Sanders.  They are the only ones that take him seriously.  Although Bernie is not a perfect candidate, he is the only candidate that is trying to get money out of politics and I agree with him on that.

It's true that Dore seems to hold on to principle a little longer than the rest.  He also does not seem quite as petrified about holding non-consensus opinion as most of the others.

I have to say that Dore gives that right-winger dude a run for his money at being the most un-funny comedian ever.  Um...Dennis Miller.

Fairly sure Moses received a similar sign from God... just saying...


Crowd goes wild after small bird lands on Bernie Sanders' podium
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/26/watch-small-bird-lands-bernie-sanders-podium/82289730/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/26/watch-small-bird-lands-bernie-sanders-podium/82289730/)

Bernie: This little bird doesn't know it...
(bird flies onto Bernie's Podium sign, "A future to believe in", and looks Bernie right in the eyes)
Bernie: I think there may be some symbolism here
Bernie: I know it may not look like it, but that bird is really a dove asking us for world peace. No more wars

They are the only ones who take him seriously, and that makes them insane!

First off, they're blind to the fact that Hillary was already chosen as the Democratic nominee like years ago.

Secondly, they're totally blind to the fact that Trump has a 97 - 99% at winning the election (look it up).

Thirdly, why take someone like Bernie seriously?!? You can't! He wants to offer free tuition to "minorities" (in other words, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, which doesn't work!), he wants to stop business competition and socialize everything, including health care.

And let's not forget about this DISGRACE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnbwUT7lBg

He's not fit to be president. And he has about a 0% chance at winning, anyways.

What did you want him to do to the protestors?  Have cops slam them to the ground and arrest everyone like Trump does?

You can tell a lot about a man by the way he treats protestors while he's giving a speech...

Bernie is the most qualified to be president... no contest there




I'd say Bernie has a good 40% chance to win the democratic nomination, and 90% chance to beat Trump if the election is Bernie vs Trump



Both parties face similar issues of what will happen if they throw the nomination to their personal choice...

The superdelegates could hand the nomination to Hillary (overruling the popular vote)

It's also looking like Trump isn't going to get the required 1237 delegates, so the republican party will go to "brokered convention", where it's a brand-new ballgame

Anything could happen... stay tuned!

Washington, Hawaii & Alaska definitively felt the burn yesterday!

But I think its the establishment that feels it the hardest ;)

That in its self is a game changer,to bad this man is not going to be President.
The fact the prison monoply continues is disgusting and another blemish on democracy.

Free Dope would pick up some votes.

Contrary to establishment propaganda, Bernie isn't giving out anything for free... Although, he will likely legalize weed

He's only ~200 delegates behind Hillary... California alone is worth 475... say hello to President Bernie!

He wants state supported colleges free for anyone that gets accepted to college.  That's people of all races and he isn't choosing who gets accepted to college.  He wants to pay for it with taxes on the wealthy.  Mitt Romney is wealthy and pays less than 15% in taxes.  Someone needs to make people like him pay their fair share like the middle class already does.

Ah, the bird trick.

You've been conned there, buddy.

stop saying he hasn't offered anything for free.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Here's your free stuff.  When will you wackos figure out that nothing is free.  Free tuition!!! Yay, right?!?!?!  More social security, yay, right?!?!?!?  Extended healthcare coverage, yay, right?!?!?!
Anyway, you get the point.  Bernie will tax the crap out of everyone, and in so doing will kill job after job after job.  Here is what happens:

Economic Impact
According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, Senator Bernie Sanders’s tax plan would reduce the economy’s size by 9.5 percent in the long run. The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs. The smaller economy results from higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income.
Table 2.
Economic Impact of Senator Sanders’s Tax Reform Proposals
GDP  -9.5%
Capital Investment  -18.6%
Wage Rate  -4.3%
Full-time Equivalent Jobs (in thousands)  -5,973

Stop saying he hasn't offered anything for free.  He wants to extend the welfare state, thats "free food, utilities, etc."  Moloch have you ever lived in a socialist country??  Socialism will destroy all innovation in the United States.  It will destroy the US.

Actually it's much worse than that, because the entire economy is in limp along zombie mode.  The FED has cut the interest rates down to near zero to enable (1) massive federal spending, as then the governmnet pays very little on debt (2) companies to have incentives to spend

Knock the GDP by -9.5% and everything would collapse, quite likely the US would experienace a hyperinflation.

Then these morons could find out what they could get for free with their worthless dollars.

Whose ass did you pull those numbers out of?  How could you possibly know how taxes affect GDP, investment rate, etc?  6 million fewer jobs?!? How could you know any of that?

What "tax plan" are you even talking about?  Bernie has not released any "tax plan"... are you talking about his single-payer insurance plan that he released 2 months ago?  Do you even know what you are talking about?



No, I have never lived in a socialist country, but I have visited a few of them... I have also done a fair bit of research on socialism...

Have you visited a socialist country, or done even the slightest bit of research into socialist policies?
Or, are you just saying it's evil because that's what you were told in elementary school?

Bernie does nothing but fight for the underdog... the middle-class and poverty stricken...

He is basically Jesus, and you fools treat him exactly like the Jews treated Jesus...  When is the crucifixion?

Not evil of course. It's just not working. As I've (partly) grown up in a socialist country I can assure you that was an economic crash course from the beginning, and not because of the bad implementation but because of the faulty principles.

No, Bernie is not Jesus.

He's just a politician, playing the tired old game of pushing socialism.

Which, for your information, always does the same thing - it takes money AWAY from the middle class.  Always.  It will shelter the rich and super rich, because they work with the socialist leaders and are in on the con games.

Why must you compare Bernie to... Who are you even comparing him to? Some fears inside your head? Which country or leader are you talking about?

You can't seriously throw out some generality like, "all socialist countries ever, were evil", and not back it up

Bernie is a social-democrat / democratic-socialist... Which is not socialist, which is not communist...

The problem is, people like you tend to make it easy and call everything evil... Because you are ignorant of "the other", and it is easier to hate that which you do not understand, than it is to do some fucking research

Actually he wants to overturn Citizens United so that corporations can't buy our politicians.  So I think he is the only candidate that is trying to give a voice back to the people rather than the big corporations.  This is something all people should want regardless of political affiliation.

Actually it is you that are throwing all the labels around.

And thank you very much, but I've traveled extensively in socialist and communist countries, so fuck off with your poor understanding of these concepts.  It's laughable, trying to argue "social democrat" and what that is. 

Here's the key point.  I'm going to repeat it for you.

Which, for your information, always does the same thing - it takes money AWAY from the middle class.  Always.  It will shelter the rich and super rich, because they work with the socialist leaders and are in on the con games.

Oh, also.  Why should I care about some prez not liking "Citizens United?"  That's a Supreme Court thing.  Duh...

Just goes to show how little you actually know about bernie's proposals, he has released a tax plan (you can find details http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan).  You love the utopian idea, but it isn't even a remote possibility.  I have lived in Spain and Mexico, both are a travesty not some utopian awesomeness.  I run my own business and have several friends that left socialist countries because of their pressure on small businesses.  If we go down the road of socialism, our country will die a terrible, agonizing death.

With all that huff and puff trolling, you didn't even answer my question... all you did was try to make yourself sound superior by claiming to have "traveled extensively in socialist and communist countries, so fuck off with your poor understanding of these concepts"... quit your bullshit

You also know nothing about Bernie's platform... let me help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXxdhlamg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXxdhlamg8)

When told he was a single-issue candidate by Hillary, his response was "I am a single-issue candidate, and that issue is the disappearing middle class"

That's literally all Bernie fights for is the middle class...

My sense is that lots of people who basically see this have a some nebulous hope/expectation that once 'we' get Socialism in place then we will be able to turn on the rich/super-rich, dis-empower then and shake them down for the good of the collective.  The trouble from a realist's point of view is that this basically never happens in any sustaining way.  Ultimately, even little temporary 'wins' become more rare as the totalitarian nature of a necessarily tightly controlled and bureaucratically bloated socialist government becomes more entrenched.

Just goes to show how little you actually know...

I looked at your link and the numbers they use come solely from Bernie's single-payer insurance plan... in fact, everything does... look at the sources they list for references... there is no "tax plan" listed... it's all stuff in his single-payer insurance plan + random quotes they found on the internet

It is also completely inaccurate, let me elaborate:

This part is actually true... his insurance plan will tax the rich more than the poor

This point is half-true...

His single-payer insurance plan has been estimated to cost anywhere between $9 and $13.6 trillion, depending on the source... (obviously they chose the most extreme end)

What they neglect to mention is that the current cost of healthcare is $20 trillion during the same decade (if we don't change anything)... so even if Bernie's cost $13.6 trillion, you save $20 trillion, making a net savings of $6.4 trillion over a decade... that is how Bernie saves Americans $5,000 per household per year... yet this article makes it sound like a bad thing

The "decreased economic output" is just bullshit nonsense speculation, nothing more... pay no attention to that, it's pulled out of someones ass

Also half-true...

For the same reason... yes, taxes go up, but you and your employer no longer pay $400-1200+ per month in healthcare premiums... this is a replacement, not an extra fee...

It's complete slander to say Bernie will raise your taxes without mentioning how much he will save you...


Once again, Bernie will save $6.4 trillion according to your source (though they neglect to even mention that once)... if you go with the extreme example on the other side (his plan costing $9 trillion over 10-years)... he will save $11 trillion instead of only saving $6.4 trillion...

How is that a bad thing?!?


All of his tax changes involve lowering taxes on people making less than $250,000 per year, and raising them on people making more than $3,000,000 per year... how is that bad?!?