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The thread "Kill Muslims" was started by a Muslim with a provocative title. 

The thread "Hate Muslims" was started by a Muslim with a provocative title.

Then people can reply "Oh my gosh NO!" to these straw man arguments.

I am tired of the manipulation and lying.

Islam owns the entire concept and practice of suicide bombing.

Islam owns over 95% of the terrorist activities.

Discuss.

It sure seems like it doesn't it? If these people are really peace loving then why don't they stop terrorism? It seems like they are all supporting it by doing nothing and letting it happen.

How do you hear about these terrible things done in the name of Islam? The news media.

Does the news media report a story about "group of Muslims peacefully attended mosque today!"? No.

The reason you believe Islam is a hate-filled religion is because you're only exposure to the religion is what you hear and see on the news. And the priority of the news is to (mostly) report the tragedies of the world. Ever heard of the news industry phrase "if it bleeds, it leads"?

You say 95% of terrorism is conducted in the name of Islam. This may be true, but I'd love to read the article you're using as a source for that fact.

A more meaningful fact is what percentage of Muslims conduct terrorism? If it was less than 1% would you still think it's a hate-filled religion? Less than 2%? 5%? What threshold is appropriate for the religion to receive that assessment?

I've never read the Koran, but the Islam holy book is THE ONLY true source to answer your question - it will either state tenants that request or suggest hate and violence or it won't, and those are the rules that the religion is lived by.

Very good comments, but at this moment I will only comment on the bolded.  Completely, totally reject this assertion.

We are more observers of the behavior of Islamics than anything else.  We don't need to read their old books to study their behavior in the world.

And for starters as to "sources," how about we try Wikipedia?

Wikipedia shouldn't be considered as something reliable clearly , Unlike Bible and the other books , the quran have only one version and didn't change since 1400 years so this is a reliable source instead of reading articles by people who probably don't know anything about the subject.

If we also think logically , saying that Islam is a religion of hate and there are more then 1.7 billion muslim out there , shouldn't you and me (and everyone else) be dead by now ?

A good public debate here and worth a watch :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghr-JMq1VT0

I wont spoil the final vote outcome.

I think we can do better than this example of "also thinking logically."

But since you bring the matter up, most Muslims who have ever been alive are dead now.  Same with others, for that matter.

:)

Are you saying that a ideology created before cars, trucks, firearms, and gunpowder might possibly have problems once there were car bombs and machine guns?

A big big no! You were fooled by news and all media reports out there. But I beleive that muslims are good friends but worst enemies. Some terrorist bombing done by muslims is because of their leaders will and self interests. Some leaders use its power to urge a person from doing it because they told them that they will be with allah after doing it.

So no more fairly stories = a big reduction in suicide bombers + murderers.

All religion needs erasing from this planet.

Fooled? Are you suggesting all these bombings, shootings and lorry rampages have been fabricated by the media?

Oh you're the one always talking about logical fallacies no?
Ok let's go.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Clearly he says that if you question the Islam religion you should begin by studying the Islam holy book. You're misleading everyone by answering about studying Islamic people behaviour while it was neither your question nor his arguments. You're basically answering another question than the thread you started is about while considering another answer than the one he stated, congrats that's a combo strawman.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Congrats another combo.
You're both trying to answer while making an monstrous generalization saying that you observe the behavior of Islamics which is false, you observe the anecdotic events given out by the media. Not like you took into account the behaviour of all Islamics did you?

Oh and I won't even talk about you chose to ignore 80% of his post of course xD

Christians NO LONGER burn people alive?
Christians did much worse than what some Muslims are doing currently. But Islam is a religion 600 years younger than Catholicism.
Wanna know what we were doing 600 years ago?
That's right. Spanish inquisition.
So don't act like they're more barbaric than we have ever been k?

You talking about how we are currently and for the last 20 years if not more, bombing shooting and destroying entire Muslim nations around the world but the media don't say a word about it?

And you wonder why they're coming to kill some of us?

Are you even aware that we killed more Muslims in just the last month of Syrian war than they did with all terrorist attacks on Western World in the last 5 years?

The bulk of the human race has kind of moved on and advanced over the last 600 years,  just waiting on one religous group to catch up to the rest of us.

Seems like you are justiftying current attrocities by pointing out events from hundreds of years ago.

Or maybe I'm the only one trying to answer the thread question?

The question is about Islam RELIGION being a religion of hate and violence. All I'm saying is that Islam isn't mature enough compared to a religion which is 600 years older! If you want to talk about Muslims then that's a DIFFERENT subject! Islam and Muslims are not the same thing, so don't try to make me say what I didn't say.

And I would add that human race evolved yeah, but some parts of the world were a bit too busy with our armies bombing the shit out of them last decades, so they no longer have any kind of education because they no longer have the buildings to teach anything... And humans without education are not far from the middle age people.

The news only reports news that is newsworthy. One set of rare events gets more coverage than another that is more common.
For example, bad weather, which happens relatively rarely, always gets disproportionate coverage compared with good weather coverage.

I'm not saying it right, I'm just saying that's the way it works.

Of course. But that means you should keep in mind when talking about how "they make bombings and shootings" and else, that we're doing far worse to them and we've been doing this for freaking decades.
So let's not all start acting like little virgins who get unfairly attacked while they were completely innocent.
We attacked first. We destroyed entire nations without reason. We killed dozens of thousands of civilians.
How do you want them to deal with us in any way but with hate, violence and revenge of desire?

In 2016 there were 2475 Islamic attacks in 61 countries, in which 21238 people were killed and 26677 injured.

So its not just the nasty US or EU the muslims arent happy in, its a Global problem.


If this is the case then we need to finish the job once and for all, them or us right?

His post is not ignored.  I had limited time at that moment.  But you misunderstood what I was calling a strawman argument.

It is the titles of the 2 prior threads with titles "Kill Muslims" and "Do you hate muslims."

These titles are strawman arguments. 

Plus they are disgusting titles.   Honestly I don't even want to discuss anything in a thread entitled "Kill Muslims."

   There isnt much to discuss here, all religions are the same! People do bad things in the name of religion, not just now, its like that since the beginning of the world. In most cases people intentionally "misinterpret"* religion in order to use it as a justification for the bad things they do.
   I think muslims are just more extremist in that, their laws about girls, about alcohol and drugs, they are like from medieval century. I dont know how they live under such laws, personally I could never become one of them and live in that kind of communities. Freedom for all!

well atleast we can be happy that it is just some terrorist per year wearing a bomb suit or kidnapping a truck.

imagine the mudslimes would have a real army with stealthbombers, tanks, rocketships, ballistic missiles etc. pp. and would atleast go to war once every decade to not have their economy collapse  :o


Dont throw with rocks if you are sitting in a glasshouse.


PS: Russia doesnt have to hide in the shadow either.

Good post, yes at the moment it seems to be mostly muslims who are performing despicable acts such as suicide bombing and terrorism. But you rightly say that the West have been doing similar "terrorism" for years, and not only against Middle Eastern countries (anyone remember the IRA bombings?)

And many hundreds of years ago, it was the Christians who were indiscriminately killing during the Crusades.

An important point to make is that this concept of "martyrism" and suicide bombing is an extremely new phenomenon - it only started in the second half of the 20th century, in part due to Western influences on Middle Eastern government. One example would be the Islamic Revolution in Iran, where the USA overthrew the Shah and allowed a government run by the Shia muslim Ayatollah Khomeini to gain power. This leader held far more strict rules on social discipline, and turned Iran into a far more authoritarian country than it was before the revolution.

The Civil War in Syria was also responsible, and certain countries supporting Al-Assad (the current Al-Assad's father), for geopolitical gain.

Not to mention that earlier, in the aftermath of WW1, many western politicians decided to draw arbitrary borders on a map to separate certain Middle Eastern cultures/countries, and ended up putting people that didn't get on in the same country all of a sudden, causing civil wars.

The Western support of Saddam Hussein (and the sale of arms to him to win his civil war), and then later his demise when he became useless to the USA and Britain. The list goes on.

And it's worth mentioning that a few hundred years ago, the Islamic world were actually at the forefront of science and medicine, while the rest of the world were throwing "witches" in lakes and seeing whether they floated or not.

There has always been individuals ready to battle for their religion, question is are they actually doing it for their religion or just using religion as an excuse for barbaric behaviour?

It's a very complicated situation.

Muslims are people. People naturally understand that peace is what makes things work. This is why most of them are weak Muslims. The Koran says that Muslims should convert others to Islam, and after a time of attempted conversion, if they won't convert, to kill them. Most Muslims won't do this. They are weak Muslims.

ISIS is following the Koran - perhaps a little too zealously. But they are following it way more than your average Muslim.

The masses of Muslims in the world are generally Muslim in name, only. And, one has to be pretty dumb to become a simple Muslim.

These are parts of the reason that Islam, with well over a billion people who supposedly are Muslim, can't get together to conquer the world. They aren't even intelligent enough to see that they are not following their religion according to their holy book. But they are naturally intelligent enough to see that peace is the only answer to life.

Koran violence - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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Almost none of what you wrote is relevant to the situation today.  Islam owns suicide bomber whackjobs, period.  There's no rationalizing about how somehow that's the fault of "the west."  It's not.  It's what they do.  They blow themselves up, often with NO clear purpose or goal. 

It's really quite laughable that you'd try to shrug it off.  Or blame it on things that have zero relation to it.

bolded above, right.  The EVIDENCE does not show that Islamic violence is a focused punch back on "the West."  It is tactics used whenever, whereever, for whatever, often without a reason even well stated.

Sure seems like Islam is full of a lot of hate, doesn't it?

Wikipedia get's its insight on the Islam religion from the Koran...the single book that outlines the tenants of the religion. I agree with you that actions speak more loudly than words on a page...so terrorist act after terrorist act shifts our perception of how people live out the religion.

One thing that has constantly annoyed and concerned me - why hasn't a high ranking member of the Islam religion (an Imam from Saudi Arabia or another devout Islam country) spoken out against terrorist acts...immediately after they happen? When there is a terrorist act the first thing we hear from a Muslim person is credit (from ISIS/Daesh, etc.)

We NEVER hear an Imam denouncing the acts and reaffirming to the world that the religion is one of peace. That fact is one to be explored and discussed further.

Yeah that's because immams/muslims denouncing acts of terrorism don't make a good news story.

There has been many protests by muslims agianst the despicable terrorism that ISIS and other inflict on the world, but it doesn't get reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of most mainstream news outlets. Do little digging and you'll find that it does happen, and quite regularly.

I've personally seen a group of well over a thousand muslims protesting in the street against this sort of hatred, and I don't even live in a very big city.

Whenever they take out such rallies and marches, they get very good media support. But the truth is that such incidents are very rare. They are more bothered about the implementation of the Shariah law in western nations.

Sure.
Let's ignore the part where West detroyed entire developed civilizations. Not like it is linked in any way woth Islam extremism.
Ever heard of Iran? 40 years ago they were educated and developped in depth, they had no or nearly no extremism.
Then West decided to take control of this zone and use the country for their own interest. Now it's the the center of one of the major centre of terrorism.

But of course, it's just a coincidence. There is NO WAY that destruction of schools and institutions is linked whatsoever with rise of extremism.

Of course not.
You think that the bible you can read today is the same as 600 years ago? And you think christians interpreat it the same way?
Do you realize that the Bible also states how you should kill a woman who cheated on her husband? It's juste that after 2000 years they stopped doing it. But even 100 years ago, thanks to christians, post european countries were treating homosexuality like a disease that must be erased. So don't start stating that Christianity is peaceful but Islam is violent. They're both violent as fuck, but Christianity has the luck to developp itself for 600 more years.

Yeah, you seem to just be making things up.  Secular dictatorship under the Shah, or Theocratic Mullahs running Iran, so what?  My guess would be the mullahs were and are anti-scientific.  Center of terrorism due to them.  They hated the west before they took over, they believe they will own the world and be it's caliphate. 

Basically primitive 6th century medieval warlords with a cleric's robe.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure!
Not like the USA had ANYTHING to do with that!
What? USA providing weapons to Irak and Sadam hussen (officialy, I'm not talking about conspiracy theories here) in order to destabilize and isolate Iran. Not like they actively took part in the destruction of Iran. Nor like their implication led to the destruction of peace, institutions and diplomacy.
Iran was in a complicated situation with a popular revolution. And just when they were starting to get their shit together, USA gave weapon, training and money to Alquaida to attack them. Leading to the only possible answer from them: getting nationalist as fuck .

But no, USA DID THAT FOR FREEDOM OF.COURSE! NOT FOR OIL

And of course USA patronage of Alquaida is in no way linked to the destabilisation of the whole Middle East or the rise of Islamic extremism! Must be because they're just barbarians! XD

I just love how you chose to forget major facts.
Terrorism is the results of our agressions.
It doesn't mean we can't continue attacking them and invading them of course. War is.part of human history. If you want to make it fair enough. But don't act like you didn't attack first.

US marines are terrorists. Don't forget that. But don't worry, so are French pilots ;)

There are muslim that don't have belief on other people they had own business where they want is war because there are getting paid too to create war to make money muslim are the number enemy of all countries where they want to kill people who don't believe in what they figting for.

Very normal when a lot of people think so. BECAUSE in an age now, the media generally only preach ABOUT violence, bombings, massacres committed by people in the name of Islam. As terror in paris, Belgium etc. But where the media when Muslim countries are slaughtered, destroyed, massacres of civilians everywhere? They seem to close their eyes and ears. Now Syria is in a state that was devastated, but the world seemed not to care.

No, Islam terrorism was around before.  How about the 400+ terrorist bombings that Yassir Arafat was involved in?

My opinion is that Islam terror acts are explicitly intended to attract media attention.  So they are USING THE MEDIA, therefore don't "blame it on the media" that these get reported.

You confuse cause and effect, don't you?

arafat was trying to reclaim a bit of land that had been taken from his people unjustly. he had have more in common with eta/ira than the current crop of muslim terrorists who kill indiscriminately. give the palestinians their land and they'll go away.

Don't you love it how Spendulus talks and talks and talks until he gets cornered by facts, dates and history?
And then suddenly he stops talking and answer only to other people and question xD

I tried to discuss with him loooooong time ago.
Then I understood it's completely useless. You can't discuss with a fanatic and that's exactly what Spendulus is, a fanatic who will never change any of his opinions even when confronted to reality and facts  ;D

When India and Pakistan where partition it was the muslims that caused all the trouble. Gangs would attack hindu villages with swords and axes killing everyone. These people have been a problem for a very long time. I think its time to get rid of this threat once and for all.

There are 3 Islams:
1. The one the Muslim people live in their everyday lives;
2. The one the Muslim clerics try to explain to the Muslim people (but they can't, because it is too convoluted);
3. The real one, the one that ISIS practices.

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Really?

Over a dozen times people tried to negotiate a settlement, every time he backed out.  He was responsible for over 400 terrorist acts.

Who says this is true?  "give the xyz their land and they'll go away."

Maybe it is, maybe it is not.

You misunderstand, I'm not shrugging it off by any means. I think it's a despicable and cowardly ideology, and I'm not trying to put the blame on anyone. I'm merely stating that certain actions by the west (specifically the USA) may well have contributed to the radical Islamic uprising that we see today.

My point was also that it is a common misconception that radical islamic attacks, especially suicide bombings are some sort of medieval ideology.

Suicide bombings are a very new phenomenon, I think the first instance where we see these types of attacks en masse, are in the 1980s during the alliance of Hafez al-Assad and Ruhollah Khomeini (who was the leader of Iran after the Shah was overthrown in the revolution). They used this new form of suicide attacks to force American troops from Lebanon.

And it is important to note how advanced the Islamic world was in the "Golden Age" (between the 8th and 13th centuries), because it shows that it isn't necessarily the muslim religion or the teachings of the Quran that are the driving force behind the radicalism we see today. At this period in history the Islamic world was seeking knowledge, and developing and translating mathematics, philosophy and science in general. This is in stark contrast to the attitudes we see today from the radical islamists.

It's no-ones fault (apart from the actual terrorists) that this is happening, per se, I just think it's short sighted to put it all down to "the Quran is bad and teaches muslims to kill infidels" (which is what many people believe).

Again, I'm not blaming anyone or shrugging anything off - I'm just commenting that it is an extremely complicated situation that has many factors which may or may not have caused it, and to just blame "Islam" seems naive. I think all religion is bullshit, for the record.

#1 is complex. Because the daily life of a Muslim differs from country to country. The daily life of a Muslim in Sudan is different from that in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. But there are certain forces which unify them, such as hatred for the infidels, fear of females.etc.

That's interesting. Yeah, perhaps you're right. It's happening but not on CNN. If true, that would be so unfortunate. I think it would be a HUGE story. It would be such a benefit to the world, uniting the world against these people who pervert this religion.

I haven't seen any outcry from the religion...if you have, share it with me.

Wow! that percentage of terrorist is very high >.< now i believe in you dude.. I don't have an idea that they practice suicide bombing damn.. that's very savage then that terrorist activity why are they doing that? recently people are living peacefully more than they do then they want to start war from other countries how stupid they are to be a terrorist they don't even have the technologies to fight with the highly equip countries and for the record Islam is just a weak they really know how to trigger a country if they want war they will go and make war not terrorist one's country that just weak and stupid they think they are strong but i know they will be consume by some country that had enough of the terrorism i wish to end them all with one strike! sorry for the bad english and manners have a good day to you :)

This is just one story from a week ago: https://www.rt.com/news/372610-afghanistan-thousands-protest-isis/ (https://www.rt.com/news/372610-afghanistan-thousands-protest-isis/)

10 minutes of googling will find many more sources of similar protests. Again, fuck the terrorists for their cowardly acts, but don't think that all muslims are bad people that agree with the killing of innocent people.

How many are the muslim population in the world. There are millions of them and not even 50% are bad people. Its the same with americans how many are the population but you cannot tell that that all Americans are murderers just because thousands of them massacred the American Indians. My point is do not generalize everything. The truth remains the same, we are all humans, and as humans there are good and bad people and that applies to all.

Yes I agree with this. But I guess it really just so happens that those who are being organized into a Terrorist community really just comes from Muslim countries. And we can't really take this against them. It really not as if it's their fault.

Interesting.  We share many views, although they diverse from similar premises.

For example, I agree either to just blame (or not blame) Islam is naive.   But similarly one cannot just throw some historical events up in the air (Golden Age, Crusades, whatever) and shout "See!  what about THAT?  That proves that..."

No, that does not prove anything.  To actually draw cause and effect even in part takes some historical analysis and is not an easy job.  Hence in many cases old historical events may simply be left out as not relevant to current.

For example, we can simply not that guys saying they are Islamic, then shouting "Allah Akbar" as they explode themselves and everyone around them, are Islamic terrorists and in the absence of any note or definitive message as to the specific reasons for their actions, we can state they are doing it as an act of Islamic Jihad related to the stated intentions of Islam to take over the world.

Pretty simple.  I think it's fair what I said.  If they left a note as to some political or war issue or retaliation for xyz, then that's what we accept as cause.  If not, it is as I said.

Spenduluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus?

Funny how you continue being active on the thread but stopped answering my argument?

What does it mean?
That maybe I was not so wrong talking about THE MASSIVE RESPONSIBILITY of Western countries?

oooooooooh no. That can't be it. Must be Islam only.

Yeah! Let's all burn and kill all Muslims! Islam is responsible for everything definitely!!!  ;D

Lol.

No-ones fault.

Not like the terrorists are mainly all from poor and enslaved countries, without any education because all the institution were destroyed by war.

So you're telling me that if country A destabilizes country B, kills dozens of thousands of civilians of country B, destroy entire cities of country B, and then a bunch of terrorists emerge from country B to attack country A. If all that happens country A is not responsible?

Well great to know!

Thats around 750 years ago.

The problem is muslims are acting like its the dark ages in today.

Religion of what?

Religion of terrorists.

Maybe because its the dark ages for them --'
What makes the dark ages:
poverty? Check
political instability? Check
no separation of powers? Check
importance of religion? Check
No education? Check

And could you please check Sheikh Mohammed and sheikh i own a billion bucks ;D..

I believe there are fairly decent arguments that these factors that "make the dark ages" are the result of Islam, rather than factors outside the religion.

As for the "Crusades and Christianity," the Crusades were largely attempts to get back lands that Muslims had conquered by force.

Ah, I believe many of Arafat's bombings were indiscriminate.  But yes, he focused on a single enemy as best as I recall.  Israel.

The idea of violence against the amorphous vague concept of "The West" he probably would have thought of as sheer lunacy.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. 

Yeah, so decent arguments that you stopped answering me when I proved you wrong  ::)

I just love how all those people have "arguments" based on "facts and actual data" contrary to "leftists".
But when you actually corner them to their shitty ideas with History, seems like they just disappear.

I thinks you need to do some HISTORY ;)..A little lesson below ;D..

The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc.

638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. 638—650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran,
 The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions.

465 years later the Christians crusades started..And only to fight ISLAM ;)..

RELIGION OF PEACE  :D :D..

Frankly I did not think the attitude that seemed to be displayed by your comments was worth responding to.  You don't get anywhere by pronouncing yourself having proved someone wrong.  That's in your own head.  The things you said were rather superficial. 

Thanks for the considerate reply, yeah I think our views are on the same sides of the coin, so to speak, but we may have differing opinions on the likelihood of what is fueling this islamic terrorism. And I am not categorically stating that the West is to blame, or anyone for that matter - I am simply trying to piece together bits of evidence that might give some insight into why Islamic terrorism is so prevalent in these modern times.

I am certainly not stating that the historical events such as the Islamic Golden Age is "proof" of anything, simply that it it was a time when muslims weren't attacking infidels as relentlessly and indiscriminately as they are now, and were looking outwards to the world around them to gain knowledge. Rather than what the extremists do now, which is look inwards and deny any facts that aren't written in the Quran.

This is just some circumstancial evidence that perhaps the actual religion/teachings are not fully to blame for some muslims' modern interpretation of it. I agree that trying to prove cause and effect in regards to historical events is a ridiculously tricky task, but certain events can be used as evidence for a more complex hypothesis.

And I fully agree that the argument of "Well, Christians killed in the Crusades, so how is that different to Muslims killing in the modern world" is a terrible argument - It's like saying "well Ted Bundy killed over 30 people, so why does it matter if I kill 1 person?". Stupid logic, just because someone did something worse in the past, doesn't mean that doing something sightly less worse is acceptable in the future.

I don't think anyone could say with certainty what the actual motivation of these Islamic terrorists is... for some it could be from interpretating the Quran as sacred law (even though I think the Quran does condemn suicide).

For others it could be indoctrination at a young age by elders/parents who were bombed/attacked during the first Iraq war (or other wars involving Britain/USA/other Western countries), and as a result indiscriminately hate the West. For others still, it could be a sense of not belonging or being accepted in their home country (for example British muslims travelling to fight for ISIS because they feel their homeland rejects their customs). My personal opinion is that these last two factors are a significant influence in the current reason for people to join ISIS and other radical groups.

As for you last point about suicide bombers shouting "Allahu Akbar" and then blowing themselves up, well yes, it's pretty obvious that they believe they are doing an act to please their god and gain benefits in the afterlife, while killing innocent civilians. Fucking hell, it sounds so horrific and retarded doesn't it...? And it is.

But I have a (slightly morbid) fascination as to what would actually persuade these people to commit these horrific acts. I touched on some of them above, but I'm sure there are more reasons - propaganda in the Middle East has become incredibly powerful in the last 5 years, with the advent of social media, cheap cameras and high quality editing software, producing propaganda films with high productions values. Scary stuff, just adding to the indoctrination of people who might otherwise be inclined to look up facts for themselves.

Again, my posts aren't claiming "I know the truth" like many others on this corner of the internet do, I just like to look at all the evidence and try and understand why people act the way they do. I quite often don't "believe" anything, because believing things means you are automatically shielding yourself from opposing opinions or evidence. Instead I look at things in terms of probability, and the underlying reasons that so many people act so irrationally.

Peace dude, Allahu Akbar  ;D :D

Well I think no, because I have muslims friends and they're all nice and care for other also. Maybe when you talk about hate and violence you did wrong to them, maybe you say something bad about their religion or culture. Like us we don't want our culture to have a bad impression to others. Its just that if you want to respect by others you should respect them as well.

wut?
Please give me an explanation of how Islam leads to poverty, political instability, no separation of powers, and no education? Because as far as I know it doesn't, or at least not more than any other religion...
BUT if you put the religion in the context of an attacked country, attacked by other superpowers... Then it all makes sense...

2 facts:
1/It was not my argument so I don't know why you answer to me like that.
2/If you want to go this way let's go. Why did the Muslim Crusaders conquered and annex Jerusalem? That's right, because the Christians (aka Roman empire) conquered the whole part first.

Religion of peace :D :D

Damn, Iraq war and USA support to the most important terrorist group of the last decades was "rather superficial"  :(

If only I had known.
I guess that talking about how uncivilized current Islam is if much more important indeed!

For heaven's sake, the last crusade occurred more than 700 years ago. It can't be compared to the religious wars which are being forced on the non-Muslims by the Islamists now. Back then, the people were not much aware about human rights. 

In 100 years there will be no religions!  ;)
Maybe just a few, insane people with low intellectual capacity in rural areas will believe in some sort imaginary religion related tales.

With highly increasing worldwide technological innovation in education we will see the disappearance of religion practices.

Bye, bye religion tales.

Democracy was created over 2000 years ago.
We had two world wars and the cold war in the last 100 years.

Stop bullshitting.

Low iq people procreate much more then high iq people.

Well, if you created a religion that had rules that stated that religious leaders would rule society (Sharia law, etc) you'd be pretty much creating what Islam is.  Then you'd have places like what's in the Middle East. 

Modern style radical Islam began with the writings of Sayyd Qutb.  He was executed for treason under the reign of Nassar in Egypt.  He started what is known as the Muslim Brotherhood.  That's pretty much Islam against Islam.

Look at the countries and the factions engaged in terror.

Largely it's muslim against muslim.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

I agree with you. But a lot of those who ordered the attacks. They usually stand on the sidelines, but the most important enemies of them. And it's not always Muslims. Russia is not a Muslim country, and it provokes violence in the world.

But... What?
Do you even know that Christianity is the oldest law system in the world?
Christians had the exact same thing as Sharia law... They had bishops united in local and Ecuminical counsels. They made laws, decretes and everything related... They made trials and judgement... They had all the powers. So how is it different from Sharia law and the fact that the religion wants to rule society?

Islamic terror is more prevalent in regions where the Islamic population is greater. But that doesn't mean that the Muslims make up most of the victims. For example, in Iraq and Syria, a very large part of the victims were either Yazidi or Christian. This is despite the fact that they make up less than 10% of the population there.


Why don't you Ukrainian trolls start your own thread rather than spamming each and every topic here?

Your quote below?..
I just love how all those people have "arguments" based on "facts and actual data" contrary to "leftists".
But when you actually corner them to their shitty ideas with History, seems like they just disappear.

                                                            all those people
                                                             MEANING ME ;D
You made out that Christianity started the crusades..NO it was Islam first to go around the world and make people believe in that religion or die ;)..

But who ever started the CRUSADES those religions never started in the UK so would you please take them back to where they came from ;D..

But you did make out the crusades started first by the Christians?..YES YOU DID..

The great series of western holy wars were the Crusades, which lasted from 1095 until 1291 CE. The aim was to capture the sacred places in the Holy Land from the Muslims who lived there, so it was intended as a war to right wrongs done against Christianity. The first Crusade was started by Pope Urban II in 1095.

The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc. The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions..

But you would agree that fighting over something that's not there I.E fairy tales is STUPID ;D..
Well i hope you do?..

Or is this your logic?..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

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Sure but they run out of Christian and Yazidi victims pretty quick, then start in on their fellow Muslims.  There's always something wrong with those "other" muslims worth fighting about, right?

I would say that religion itself can't be good or evil.
Only people can have such characteristics.
Terrorist claims that they represent Islam but they are not Muslims at all, in my opinion.
Terrorists have no religion.
So, yes, Islam represent love and peace, but terrorists represent evil.

So you put your own opinion as more important than their own opinion?

That's the problem, not the solution.

Because they put their own opinion as more important than our opinion.

That's why religion isn't good or evil. Religion is based on the way people think. Sometimes well meaning people do evil. Other times people who intend something for evil wind up doing good by accident. Religion is not only filled with these, but religion has good and evil that work as they were intended.

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Hello,

Vaccine for religion is education.

Also, I think blockchain society is one of the most advanced in civilization.

It is very funny to see these topics about religions here.

Only technological innovation and science development can bring us peace.

Kind Regards,

By giving us the advanced weapons to destroy the enemy  ;)

But the religious topics are here, because few people look into the complete definition of the word "religion." Essentially what religion can be is anything that somebody feels rather strongly about.

The very funny part is that some people who think that they are not religious, are very religious. You can see it in the fact that they loudly proclaim that they are not religious, which is exactly the thing a religious person does... proclaim his religion.

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No, no! Give them to Muslims!     ;D

Hmm...
No.
I can't say much more... I mean, learn to read man. It was not my argument. It was the one of  kryptqnick. I really can't argument more than that as you're not making a point against me...

All I did was to correct your "history" to say that the first "crusades" were the conquest of the Holy Roman Empire. The Holy CHRISTIAN Roman Empire.

Is this your quote?..I just love how all those people have "arguments" based on "facts and actual data" contrary to "leftists".
But when you actually corner them to their shitty ideas with History, seems like they just disappear.

 they just disappear..I never disappeared

shitty ideas with History..No you said crusades and i pointed out Muslims started the crusades first  ;)..

Just a correction to your HISTORY so lets still be friends  :D :D..

The guy didn't said that he believe or not in a religion.  The real very funny part is that religion is based on the power of imagination.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand."― Albert Einstein

IF a man loudly present an invention or real innovation or what ever. It is funny to think that he proclaim his religion.

To call Statement - that religion can be over come by education of society - as proclaim of ones religion is just altitude of child.

My point is that all people live their religion, no matter what their religion is. Religion is in the life of every person, because people are religious beings.

A person who says that he has no religion, has a religion of non-religion.

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Oh ok I understand.

So again Muslim didn't started the crusades, Catholic Roman Empire started them.

And for your quote, I wasn't talking about the crusade here but answering to Spendulus and how he just avoided to answer my posts as soon as they have facts and data in them.

Historians disagree about what to include as 'the Crusades', but a sensible list would include:

1096‒1099 First Crusade..
First an army of peasants led by Peter the Hermit set off for the Holy Land. They were massacred by the Turks..
An army of knights followed, led by Godfrey of Bouillon, which captured Jerusalem in 1099. The Crusaders massacred the Muslims until, it was said, the streets ran with blood.

1145‒1149 Second Crusade..
King Louis VII of France invaded the Holy Land, but was defeated at Damascus.

1189‒1192 Third Crusade..
In 1187, the Muslim ruler Saladin had recaptured Jerusalem.
The Crusaders (who included King Richard I of England) captured the port of Acre. But they quarrelled, and failed to capture Jerusalem.
On the way home, Richard was kidnapped.

1202-1204 Fourth Crusade..
The Pope wanted to unite western and eastern Christians under his authority. He diverted this Crusade, with the help of Venice, and captured Constantinople in 1204. Christians fought Christians.

1212 Children's Crusade..
An army of young people set off on Crusade.
They were kidnapped and sold as slaves.

1217‒1250 Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Crusades..
All failed.

1396
Battle of Nicopolis sometimes called the 'last' Crusade
An army of French and Hungarian knights was massacred. Some historians refer to it as the 'last' Crusade..

Catholic Roman Empire started them :D..
No they never they went to help the Christians that were already there to stop the muslims from killing them all ;)..

In the Middle Ages, the Muslim world stretched from India to Spain, including Jerusalem and the Holy Land. It was scientifically and culturally ahead of the Christian countries of western Europe.
By 1070, more and more Turkish nomads were settling in the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Byzantines felt threatened by this. Then, from 1087 onwards, Turks stopped Christian pilgrims from entering Jerusalem.

The Muslim religion was founded by the Prophet Muhammad in Arabia in the 600s. Its followers believed in the new religion, Islam, and the Muslim empire grew rapidly. By 732 Muslims had conquered most of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain.

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

In 1071, Muslim Turks defeated the army of the Byzantine Empire at the Battle of Manzikert and Turkish nomads settled in the Christian Byzantine Empire. In 1095, the Emperor of Byzantium appealed to Pope Urban II for help. Pope Urban II asked the knights of Europe to go on a pilgrimage which later became regarded as the first Crusade to win back Jerusalem for Christianity.

An army of knights and nobles captured Jerusalem in 1099. It was claimed that the Crusaders killed the Muslims until the streets ran with blood. The loss of Jerusalem was a terrible blow to the Muslims. For them, Jerusalem was, and still is, the third holy city of Islam.
The Crusaders took over the two Muslim sacred buildings, the Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. They deeply offended the Muslims by the way they behaved in them.
Christians in Spain began to move southwards and recapture lands that had once been Christian from the Muslims.

From the beginning Roman religion was polytheistic. From an initial array of gods and spirits, Rome added to this collection to include both Greek gods as well as a number of foreign cults...

It's like me in my country starting a new religion I.E Christianity then someone from another country invades my land which was the Muslims who invaded the Christian Byzantine..
So who is in the right the Christians or the muslims ?..
REMEMBER it's my land i started the religion in my own land..

Now when you talk about the Romans that's another history lesson..
BUT YOU SAID THE CRUSADES ;)..And the muslims started it first ;)..
                  ^
OK YOU NEVER SAID CRUSADES :D..Sorry ;D..

But just a history lesson for you ;D..

Always fascinating when the Muslim tries to play the "I'm a VICTIM" card.

The crusades were a response by the Catholics in Europe (and not just those in the Roman Empire) to take back the lands which were recently conquered by the Muslims. A part of the Christian military force was drawn from the regions which recently went under Muslim rule.

A little history lesson:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

We are not perfect but have a very weak characters, original sin as explained in the holy books.
So, each person can go good or bad, based on his own character, or external influence in society etc.
We can't say that someone is good person because he is christian and other is bad person,m because he is Muslim.
We have good or bad Christians and good or bad Muslims based on their character only, not their religion, nationality, race etc.
It's important to follow our original mind, given by God, and respect other people around us.

Your point is pure religious heresy. To put All eggs in one basket do not work here. A mans believe preached as real technological innovation is not a religious heresy. A mans believe preached based on power of religious tales of manipulation is a religious heresy.

If you did not comprehend these simple sentences. I can break them like that:
If you preach to use bitcoin it is not a religious heresy but a statement to believe in reality.
If you preach to come to church or what ever to listen tales and do what ever priest tells you to do is just a believe based on religious heresy.

It is not about the religion, it is all about what we are going to believe in. It is about what we going to think, what is bad and good. It is about your own thinking, it is not about the religion. Religion is only what we are going to believe, what we are to going to be in our eternal life.

Whatever a person believes and lives is his/her religion. Check out a comprehensive definition of the word "religion."

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OK.. name a single Muslim majority nation, which allows non-Muslims to live like humans. Even the so called "developed" Muslim nations such as Turkey and Malaysia also discriminates heavily against non-Muslims. But Muslim minorities living in Christian nations are very quick to play the victim card.

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

True Muslims can't have a peaceful world to live in. The Koran won't let them. Why not, especially when the Koran talks peace among the Muslim brotherhood? Because of this.

The Koran tells Muslims to kill any Muslim who changes his religion. This means that a Muslim can never make a mistake in his religion. If he does, he must fear that his Muslim brothers will think that he is changing religions, and that they should kill him. Not much peace there. But it gets worse.

What if a Muslim doesn't KNOW that he is doing something wrong against his religion. Or what if somebody mistakenly tells him he is doing wrong when he really isn't. In either case, the accuser gets a bunch of other Muslims together, and if they agree with the accuser, they execute their brother Muslim.

The point? There is fear in Islam. On the outside it looks peaceful. But the appearance of peace is only Stockholm Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) peace. Down underneath there is fear. No peace in fear.

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At times I contemplate on the old days where belief systems and religion are really much more simple. Given what you just said, can we say that those people did not at all experience this chance to have peace.

Seems so, at least Popcorn1 is putting on an equal feet the kingdoms of West world and the kingdoms of the Middle East.
Would you say that today it's not the contrary? Huge and powerful kingdoms of the West and little Middle Eastern kingdoms attacking the West as "barely a pinprick on the Muslim Capitalistic world".

If you don't think that the West has created its own kingdom you're even more stupid as you seem ;D

Some predominantly Muslim countries allow the practice of all religions. Of these, some limit this freedom with bans on proselytizing or conversion, or restrictions on the building of places of worship; others (such as Mali) have no such restrictions. In practice, the situation of non-Muslim minorities depends not only on the law, but on local practices, which may vary.[citation needed]

Some countries are predominantly Muslim and allow freedom of religion adhering to democratic principles. Of particular note are the following countries:[17]

Indonesia and Malaysia have a significant population from the Hindu, Christian and Buddhist religions. They are allowed to practice their religions[citation needed], build places of worship and even have missionary schools and organizations but with limitation of such practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

So... We should be violent idiotic criminals because they do the same?
Much logic, Wow, Very human

Oh and I could give you a bunch of majority Muslim and oficialy Muslim countries where non-Muslims are treated very well:
-Mayotte: 97% Muslim but you can go wearing Western style clothes without problem at all
-Morocco: 99% Muslims, no real discrimination or violence (at least not more as in our developed countries)
-Indonesia: 90% Muslims, one of the most peaceful countries in the world
-Kuwait: 96% Muslims, even separated in 2 Muslims groups but never had violence linked to religion.

But I guess it's easier to focus on Syria while forgetting that our interventions might not help them become "peaceful".

I don't think anything like that is true.  But I recognize that in the foggy, indoctrinated brain of some Muslims they may have conceptualized of "The West" as an entity and actively fight it.  I believe this is objectively false, though, and the result of misconceptions.

Still, if in your indoctrinated mind you see "The Caliphate" and "The OTHER" then you fight or bomb "The OTHER" and arguably it makes sense to the indoctrinated mind.

In that case just don't complain or play victim when "The OTHER" comes done on you like a hammer on a nail.

That was hundreds of years ago ::)..

Well not as stupid as your argument though ???..

My argument is that all the crusades were stupid ;)..Especially over something that's not there?..
And i asked you would you not agree?..Now lets see who the stupid person is ;D..

TO FIGHT OVER RELIGION..Is it not stupid?..Now ask yourself WHY..
BECAUSE NOTHING THERE IT'S ALL IN YOUR MINDS ;) ;)..

So if my argument is stupid then so be it..But i will understand why we don't get on ;D..
You believe in fairy tales i don't put the 2 together WAR :D :D..

The Koran specified a Crusade.  The takeover of the world.

Could we just put things in the right order?

It's "THE OTHER" that attacked "The Caliphate" first to take your terms.

Not only USA though, if they're probably the most to be blamed they're certainly not the only one.

So don't play the card of the victim attacked by some terrorists.

In fact, the most funny thing is that as an American you both financed those terrorists AND created the weapons they're using. Not you personally of course (statistically at least).

I'm sorry I can't discuss with you :/

It's not that I don't want but I actually don't understand what you write.
Please if you want to discuss seriously use less smiley and take care of your structure and grammar.
It's really hard to follow, especially when English is not the native language of who you're talking with. I understand proper academic English, not the one you talk in the street :/

They wont take over shit ;D..Not in the 21st century..1000 years ago maybe but never now ;)..

They can try ;D..IRAQ 6 WEEKS TO WIPE IT OUT ;)..
Also they don't remember when all the japs got rounded up do they..
Just might end up doing the same again if they carry on ;)..

We could put them in camps and make them peddle on a big bike to generate our electricity
1000s of muslims peddling like fuck to make electricity  ;D..

Ok proper English..

Do you not think it's stupid to fight over something that's not there?..

Any way i think you work for ISIS :D :D :D..

not the one you talk in the street  ;)..Yes i am..So i don't go back in my home and change my voice ;)..

very funny on how people debate about this islam. And how rude they are promoting their religion with guns.
Yeah that's peace and love.

I had not thought of that.  You're correct.

We could put them in camps and make them peddle on a big bike to generate our electricity
1000s of muslims peddling like fuck to make electricity..

Anybody want to invest?..It's a good idea ;)..
Arr elon musk will..
Just think of all the electric cars that could run of muslims peddling like fuck :D..
We wont kill them ;)..Just sweat the islam out of the muslims till it's gone..

The more they believe the more they peddle ;)..WIN WIN situation  ;D.

Hmm BADECKER do you want to test it out first ;D..
If it wont go from Badecker it wont go from a muslim  :D..

But on a serious note..
The more they do stupid acts of terror the more people hate religion ;)..
So if you religious folks have an agenda? it's not working it's making people turn away from religion..
Unless you got a gun pointed at your head we in the west have a choice ;D..

The muslims don't and are jealous of our way of life?.Yes you are because from birth your made to believe in ISLAM ;).

And in most Islamic countries it could get you killed for not believing in ISLAM.
I.E for not doing what the koran tells you to do can get you killed?.

Now i hope ISLAM is banned in the west Yes it's simple no mosques allowed .
If you don't like it go to a country that will let you go to a mosque.

BAN Churches you hear from muslims?..OK If mosques can go i am willing to ban churches too.

How does that sound. BUT you also ban mosques in every country because we in the west have everyone from every where ;)..

Now see how fair i am ;)..

Would you all agree that religion for many a year as caused so much trouble?.
WELL LETS STOP IT..HOW?..FUCK RELIGION OFF  ;)..

I mean we all need money to survive?..
So if god is not going to come down and give us all free money then what's the point in believing in something so powerful he cannot do a simple thing as that..

Years ago i never needed money i just went out and built a home and hunted for food.
It was 200 BC but it was a lot easier then loads of buffalo were i lived..
Now in the year 2017 AD kids want all these gadgets mortgage car petrol university very stressful.

But can you imagine the children of tomorrow they are already in debt and they are not even born YET :o

Hmm so the super rich thought lets turn them into MUSLIMS and they wont need nothing?..
They will work for peanuts and we can tax them..
Then go home and pray..You pray to wish to die to live in the next life?..For virgins ::)
That's how shit this life is too them.
I am not surprised you work for fuck all :D ..

So maybe that's why these fucking horrible politicians flooded our lands with MUSLIMS..
Just a thought but a good one that could be true. ;)

That was Clintons plan to control us all like the saudi kings do ;)..
Turn the west into muslims and make us slaves to a book ..
But really slaves to them ;)..

Now i am going to sleep  :-*off with my tinfoil till next time..

Lets get one thing straight the muslims I.E ISLAM is trying to take over the world..
And saudi money is used to buy our politicians  ;)..THAT'S THE TRUTH ;D..

Free energy will make it go away..Free money will calm everyone down  ;D..
Only solution no other ;)..

So that's all folks

Be nice.

my opinon, dont talk islam if you not learn islam, when you study Islam, you will know what Islam is like  :)

Just a thought, do muslims still continue to help convert people to Islam?

After seeing wat hppen in europe with the moslems why did hillary and obama want to let so meny in the country?  Are they crazy?

Of course like for every religion.
As far as I know only judaism isn't really helping to convert. Because jews are a people before being a religion.
But for all other religions, if you want to convert the actual believers will help you to discover their religion.

True.

But for Islam you don't really discover the religion until you try to leave it.

I believe that it wasn't because of Islam religion  why some people do hate and violence It is because they choose to commit hate and violence to others , It's their free will we must not judge someone because of their religion but based on their personality and I think that whats matter the most I have a friend who was a Christian that works in a Muslim community well obviously their is a big differences when it comes to their faith but still they managed to work  as a family not as a sect  or dominion.

Islam is not a religion of hate,the problems most Muslim scholar are having is that they miss interpret the quoran,majority of them are the main cause because they twist and miss interpret the sermon by instigating violence as you can see there many Islamic sect with different doctrines and believe,countries like Saudi Arabia ,Kuwait, Tunisia are liberal Muslim while some countries in the middle east I insight violence in their countries, Islam is a peaceful religion it is just that some scholars miss interpret it

Radical islam is basically like the separatist movement in the star wars movies.

 :)

How do we know you're not twisting and misinterpreting the Quran?

I don't care who and how interpretiruya the Koran. For me it is important that all terrorists are Muslims. Moreover I do not see the attempts of the Muslims to fight terrorism. It seems to me that even if they are not involved in the attacks, secretly support them.

Well, suppose you took the Koran and put it in the hands of 100 juries.  You ask them to interpret it and apply their conclusions to specific situations. 

After they deliberate the results will not all be the same.  Some of the juries will support terrorism.  Some will support killing those who try to leave Islam, those who are gays.  Some will support stoning women and cutting hands and feet off.

That's reality.   Deal with it.  Islam owns terrorism.

Muslims are attacking the entire civilized world. In the world of arguing with them to communicate cultural. Nonsense! It's impossible to communicate at all. We need to ban all Muslims entry to the culture of the country.

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Oooooooooook so I guess we don't care about the whole Leviticus part of the Bible then?
Or could it be that all religions have barbaric rules in themselves and the level of education of a country allows it to go further than those rules?
Cause stoning women is just for Islam yes. But burning people alive is a Christian specificity.

No. People are defending themselves from our multiple invasions, our political, physical and economical attacks.
And they do that through "terrorism".
But what YOU call terrorism I call it just war.
We got bombers, destroyers, tanks. They got suicide bombers.
Wanna guess who is killing the most people?

Respectfully, I don't think you are correct.  Please look at these lists of jihad activities.  They are not "defending themselves."  The activities are worldwide.  You may be correct regarding cause for a few or some, but not all and not in general.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

Once the Muslims are admitted, then there is no going back. There is not a single country, among the 200+ UN members, where the Muslim population is decreasing. Once they are admitted, then that is it. The country is never going to be the same.

All countries where the population is more stupid than the donkeys increase their population. They breed warriors to conquer new territory because they are already ruined. The conditions of life and health of children does not interest them.

THIS IS SO DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMB IT BURNS MY EYES

Did you ever hear of the words "demographic transition"??
This is a perfectly known and logical period of times where your conditions of life upgrades, reducing death rate, while your birthrate hasn't adapted yet.
It happens to ALL nations when they reach a certain technical level, and "Muslim countries" are no exceptions! We did that, USA did that, whole Asia did that and Africa is doing that currently. Muslim countries are somehow between Asia and Africa in term of demographic transition.

"They breed warriors to conquer new territory because they are already ruined" you mean like what USA has always done?  ;D

And what you have to say about the people from countries such as Germany, who invite these people to replace the natives? What about their intelligence level? The Muslims may be more stupid than the donkeys. But the Germans are even more stupid.

The Germans are of course also idiots. They're so used to living by certain rules that were not ready for such a number of stupid, lazy and arrogant people. Now I'm sure that they will be expelled from Germany. It just takes time.

Politically, this is false.  Merkel was bribed or blackmailed, and she alone is responsible for the onslaught of primitive uncivilized Muslims into their land.

I doubt that is true. This whole migrant crisis provoked Putin. Given the attitude of Merkel to Putin that we are seeing I doubt that you are right. Most likely this is the answer of Russia that it is not sold. This is the only Chancellor who is not for sale.

I wish that I could agree with your post. But not. Merkel is still enjoying close to 50% approval rating in Germany. So the German people must be blamed for supporting a criminal like Merkel.


Blablablablabla... Don't you ever get tired of copy-pasting this BS? Next you are going to claim that Putin is the father of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi.

Awesome circle jerking but to bad that reality looks like this:

Germany is nr 1 economy in the west.
Germany got 1% more population through refugees since 2014.
Germany is one of the handful nations that has a fiscal surplus of nearly 20 billion € even though merkel invited over 1 million refugees.
Outlook for 2017-2020 is similar to 2016

 ;D

Meanwhile we see russians that accepted 0 refugees crying about their shitty economy and why that is the fault of muslim refugees LOL

Btw. Americans have problemos with mexicanos not with mudslimes even though both words starts with a "m". (Trumps big wall and stuff, remember?)

Putin is a sponsor of terrorism. Moreover, in Russia he is trying to build a fascist state. Putin's propaganda with 100% accuracy copies the propaganda of Goebbels. How would you not defend Putin, nobody in the world believes.

I wonder how the German finances will hold up after the UK and France have left the EU an they are left to pick up the tab.

How do you know Islam? Do you get information about islam from media? If yes, all your life will judge that is islam is cruel not tolerant and others. If you want to know about Islam you should go to Islamic Ulema ( Cleric). In the qur'an Said. " If you don't know about something ask the expert". If you want to know about Islam ask Ulema.

Ever hear the saying

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."

I dont need to study Islam to observe and understand what it is.

bitcoinvestor to test the religion of peace tell all your friends, family and neighbors you are converting to Christianity for a week then come back and tell me how tolerant and loving they all are.

+1

That would be a valid test of tolerance and love, whether it actually exists or not. 

To make it fair do the same in Texas, take an old Christian family and takes one member.
Do the same. Says that you're converted to Islam.
See their "Christian love and tolerance"  ::)

Cant say I have heard of many honor killings carried out by Christians lately, same cant be said for some other religions.

I say this as an athiest.

because the deals always involved israel keeping hold of part of the palestinians' land

because when you give someone what they want they have no reason to keep bothering you. it is possible to deal with terrorists who want land, it is not possible to deal with terrorists who want to take over the world or destroy it, you're unfairly putting arafat into the second category because he happened to be born a muslim.

I am also an atheist. I'm not interested in religion. I can only say that the Islamists do not make me trust. The fact that terrorists are Muslims suggests that this religion is the most aggressive and should be banned.

Yes we must first know who it is?, and what they are going to do? We must know what is his religious group?, we cannot say all islam is a bad people, but worse comes to worse, all they say is islam is a terrorists religious group

Radical islamists don't represent all of islam.

Radicals are usually funded to carry out attacks, beheadings or bombings.

They're paid to be violent.

It doesn't represent religion or islam as a whole.

In whose mind? Yours?  Theirs?

Funded by who?

If you know Islam started from the first Human "Adam"

ROFL. So the first human being was a Muslim? Show some evidence to prove your claim. Was he circumcised? Did he prayed five times a day? I would believe you if you could show me the remains of the mosque, where he offered prayers.

The same or even better. :D

But how about the UK? I see lots of stuff and numbers going down the toilet lol

That's because no one cares about Christianity atrocities ;D
Check a bit what's happening in Soudan.
Islam and Christianity are doing the same: killing thousands of people in the name of religion.

Bah.  Dream on.  Muslim atrocities last week, 27 countries.  3000 dead a month.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Islam owns terrorist activities.

I found that women are oppressed in some Muslim states. I would say brainwashed even, to think that they have no rights.
It is far worse than situation of women during Middle Ages in Europe was. Officially "Islam wants men and women to develop".
But in case of women Islam wants to turn them into slaves, a nice development indeed.


See this news. It is a story of two women volleyball players fight for their right to compete outside Iran:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-bulgaria-volleyball-idUSKBN1521PG (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-bulgaria-volleyball-idUSKBN1521PG)

Not what was asked.
Please refer to previous post before posting something unrelated.

I did.  Nothing "was asked." 

You made an assertion, religion X and religion Y as being the same. 

I countered your argument rather easily.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1753129.msg17534862#msg17534862

We cannot over generalize a certain race. All people are born with feelings and emotions some just tend to have problems in controlling theirs. We may not know that the true terrorists attacks are really from them, we may not know that it was just an order by a person that was superior to them. The Islam race may be different from you but that doesn't mean that they are bad or evil. We still have to respect them for we are all equally made in this world.

Islam is not a race, period. Generally, it's just a mental illness.

Oh it's not just different. It's really bad and evil, hostile to any modern society.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNjG-N1XtY

 Just open your eyes and set yourself free from liberastic propaganda, and you will see that. For example, some thoughts about urine, prostitution and slavery:

https://youtu.be/X1EnQHmvkaU

It's based on force and lies. Spread by the violence, deceiving and threats. For any reasonable person it's not ok to respect someone who considers him an idiot.

There are some progressive teachings in Islam, such as Sufism. But most of muslims have stuck in the Middle Ages.

The point of this thread is not to have you assert things such as "We still have to respect them" but to have you substantiate an argument such as that.

The only person who repeatedly calls Islam a Religion of Peace is Obama, I haven't heard any islamic cleric or high ranking islamic person defend the religion. Islam is a devilish religion. full of hatred and violence first against Jews and anyone who supports them.Now they are waging way against Europe.

Sufism evolved out of Islamic interactions with the oriental religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism.etc). Some people regard Sufism as a mixture of Islam and Pre-Islamic religion. Perhaps that is the reason why it is progressive.

He is a progressive because he has not received such mass character of Any religion requires a lot of believers. Religion lives at the expense of sponsors and appreciate the parishioners. The Islamists have spared neither his people nor the others.

The character of A muslim is praying for only One God. Adam Prays for Allah, Noah prays for Allah, Abraham prays for Allah, Moses prays for Allah, Jakub prays for Allah, Jesus prays for Allah, and Muhammad prays for Allah. Now, All people who prays for Allah only are muslims.

That's it for this approach and no one likes Muslims. Islam does not accept any other religion and atheists. This is the most aggressive religion in the world. I believe that it is necessary to ban this religion not all countries where the attacks occur.

Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance).  However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion.  The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.

When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked.  This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.

Islam is no more about hate and death then the bible, but people tend to see what they want to see.

the koran or Qu'ran is the holy book of Islam, however if you study religion you will know that every monotheistic religion has the exact same events, the exact same teachings, and in many cases believed to be the exact same god, just perceived by different cultures. in other words Alah is God, the hat shown by some radical Islamic terrorists is the same as the hate shown by those who are christian. even their convert or die scheme, it is very reminiscent of the Spanish crusades.
therefore their radicalism is like the westboro baptist church, drastically misinterpreting the holy book to support their agenda.

the koran states Chapter 3, verse 172, of the Koran: "Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."

in Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." which states never attack, but defend with your lives. only fight those who come to you with war.

in Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." which states that if you kill someone who has not killed, you have killed the sanctity of humanity.

in chapter 8, Verse 61: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace."

the Quran finds all life sacred, and teachers the people who believe in other religions are also worthy of alah, but will go to hell unless they believe before they die.
sounds an awful lot like the bible.

so is Islam about peace and love? or hate and fear? you can ask the same question of Christians. but just because some are hateful doesn't mean all are. because some kill in the name of their god doesn't mean all do.

The purpose of religion is so people can feel that their life has meaning, because without religion we feel empty, if there is no god then there is no reason to life. and that scares us. so because people put their faith in religion as a meaning for their actions does not mean that they are not still filled with hate and fear. and we all know that causes violence and death. if someone wants to kill they will find a reason to do so. whether it be through "self defense" or "religion" or "military action" they will find a reason to kill.

Easy to talk about liberal topics when it does not concern you. Do you tell Christians who live in Syria or tell those Europeans whose relatives died in the terrorist attacks, and unable to tell the victims of the September 11 attacks!

I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.

Once the Christians had misinterpreted the Bible, and this ended the Crusades, and now Muslims misinterpret the Qur'an and make Jihad. It seems to me that any religion manipulates people and sowing enmity and death when it is profitable. Can ban them all?

Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back. 

And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?

I don't know very well the history, but it seems to me that the Muslims captured the Western area. It seems to me that using the Crusades to impose Christianity on the surrounding areas. Isn't that right?

I feel Islam as a whole is a religion of peace, but a large number of terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims in places where Muslims are the minority anyway like the United States. People will always default to saying "No, Muslims didn't even commit as many attacks as Caucasians in the US" well yes they didn't but they committed a good amount of attacks based on the percentage of population they hold in the United States.

It's something that Islam has to look at and see what is causing this, because most Muslims I know are nice people but they get a bad reputation because of all this.

Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).

This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.

Lol
Sure! Muslims started all this!
Clearly they were the first invaders.
What? The Christian Roman Empire? What is that?  :D

Get back to History classes man. Muslims took the opportunity of the fall of the CHRISTIAN roman empire to take back the lands that romans conquered.

Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.

If this was happening in the 1930s or the 1940s, then I could have agreed with you. But the younger generation of the Europeans have been completely brainwashed by the leftist-liberal propaganda. Those who resist this brainwashing is branded as extremists and harassed by the left-wing nuts. There will be not much of a reaction, even if the Muslims behead natives in the open.

It only seems that way at first glance. Actually in Europe now a lot of supporters of extreme right-wing movements. The Europeans are beginning to resist the resettlement of migrants and very soon it will end.

OK, I respect this view, but I would argue that the Bible and Qur'an both have mixed messages.  For example, in Revelations of the New Testament it says that non-believers will perish in the "lake of burning sulphur [hell]".  I believe that this shows intolerance and I find that many Christians decide to ignore swathes of the Bible, even the entire Old Testament, to match their beliefs.  I would rather that these Christians just identified as monotheists, because they do not follow the precise views expressed in the Bible but rather their own view of the world.

Most victims of jihadist terrorist attacks are on Muslims, from one small group of Muslims to other, larger groups of Muslims.  Daesh/ISIS's goal is to unite Muslims in a battle against Christianity therefore one of their major goals is to attack Muslims who do not share their beliefs.

My argument here is that fighting a war against Muslims is a poor idea because Muslims are victims themselves.  If they feel victimised by Christians they may turn to extremism themselves, just as Christians feeling victimised has lead to neo-Nazis and the "alt right" which usually wage war on Muslims.

I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.

Interesting idea, to listen to the junk on audio book rather than try reading it.

I don't believe in any God, but it seems to me that Islam is the most aggressive religion in the world at the moment. I am sure that this could not be left unpunished. It is better to ban Islam in the countries that suffer the most from Muslim terrorists.

The support levels usually stagnate at 10% to 15% (Germany, Netherlands.etc), or at 25% to 30% (France, Austria.etc). The far-right is unable to cross that threshold. That means that they will never come to power.

Oh Spendulus, you're still here?
One could wonder why you haven't reacted to the fact that, again, one of your "affirmation" has been debunked as being another nonsense.
But I guess that's just because you didn't see the answer.

You couldn't be wrong on something could you? xD

Dude wtf?
It's like you're saying they're actually invading us in an organized way xD
Maybe the explanation is elsewhere no?
Maybe the explanation COULD be that they're leaving poor invaded countries (invaded by who? That's an interesting question) to get to rich peaceful ones.
What's so incredible about that? Wouldn't you do the same?

Who and that I wasn't told but I have my eyes there. Most terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims. In addition, the laws that exist in Muslim countries have nothing to do with the rules accepted in the civilized world.

I think it is not the misinterpretation of the book that had lead to crusades and jihad. Those things in history has different situation with us today and so we cannot use history as our reference to the conflict that is happening today. The conflicts today are cause by half asses Christians and Muslims, by this it means that they are baptized muslim and christian but are not religious followers of the doctrines and the book. If they are religious people then they will know that Islam and Christianity is a religion of peace and love and not of terrorism and hate.

It seems to me that since religion was involved in politics of the world have fallen to terror. Religion makes people fanatics, and fanatics are easy to control. Muslims now went on the attack and why such a large number of Muslims terrorists.

Female headteacher is forced to work from home following death threats from Muslim parents over her 'offensive clothes' amid fears there is a 'Trojan Horse' plot to 'Islamicise' the school

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4239352/Muslim-parents-sent-school-headteacher-death-threats.html

According to an Oldham council report, seen by The Sunday Times, she wrote that she had a 'very strong reasons to believe that . . . a "Trojan Horse" agenda [is] being played out'. 

And the head teachers' union, the NAHT, said it was 'supporting a number of members in the Oldham area with a variety of apparent Trojan Horse issues'.

The council report says the school's 2013 parent-governor Nasim Ashraf hosted 'Islamic teaching sessions' at the school while his wife, Hafizan Zaman, 'made remarks to Asian staff members that they should be wearing a veil and covering their heads'.

They took exception to Hindi music being played in class, were angered by sex education and were accused of intimidating staff and undermining the headteacher.

The report said they tried to mobilise parents to 'secure changes at the school to reflect their interpretation of Islam' but did not suggest they were involved in the violent threats.

Ashraf's sister Shasta Khan is serving eight years in jail for plotting to attack Jews in Manchester.
A section of Clarksfield school's website titled British values only reads: 'coming soon'

A section of Clarksfield school's website titled British values only reads: 'coming soon'

She's friends on Facebook with Tahir Alam, the architect of a similar 'Trojan Horse' plot on several schools in Birmingham in 2014.

In the plot activists launched a campaign to oust headteachers using dirty tricks such as spreading false allegations and packing governing bodies with their supporters. 

Tahir Alam and Razwan Faraz were part of the 'Park View Brotherhood' of teachers, which exchanged some 3,000 messages in a WhatsApp group, including offensive comments about British soldiers, the Boston Marathon bombings and the murder of soldier Lee Rigby.

Mr Faraz, a former deputy headteacher of the Trojan-Horse linked Nansen Primary School, is under an interim teaching ban, while Mr Alam was banned from any involvement with schools by the Department for Education (DfE).

Clarksfield Primary's Chairman of Governors Saima Kausar and Mrs O'Donnell declined to comment.

Ashraf denied any Trojan Horse plot but said he wanted to remove Mrs O'Donnell because the school was failing.

A spokesman for Oldham council, cabinet member for education Amanda Chadderton, said: 'We take any allegations about our schools very seriously. The report into an Oldham primary school found no basis to the "Trojan Horse" allegations.'

Hard to believe that this is happening in the United Kingdom. Now I am assured that the Western Europe is lost without any chance of a redemption. It is only a matter of time before the Eurabian Caliphate is established.

Funny how you're revolted by Muslims trying to change the society to adapt it to their moral values...

That's the duty of a citizen...
It's not because you're lazy fucks taking the society you live in for granted that everyone is the same :/

You disagree? Then fight that. Muslims are about 5% of UK population and you're not even able to protect your vision of society?

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/15093631.Father_forced_to_move_after_renouncing_Islam_calls_for_more_action_on_hate_crime/

 A MAN who claims he was forced to move house after renouncing his faith wants authorities to crack down on hate crime

Fasial Bashir, decided to stop practicing Islam in the summer of 2014 over claims the religion was too “hateful” and “sending out the wrong message”.

But when the 43-year-old stopped going to mosques in Ilford he claims he started getting harassment on a weekly basis.

The father-of-two said: “I heard religious people say things I couldn’t put up with any longer – it was all too hateful.

“These people knew I had become an atheist and soon enough my whole family was being harassed.

“At least once a week they would hang around near my house, shouting and swearing at me.

“I was called an apostate, a non-believer, I was told I had betrayed my God and my faith.”

“Sometimes they would even say things to my children – they are far too little to know what was happening, they were very frightened.”

Mr Bashir claims he would often call the police, but was told it was “just a nuisance” and was not a police matter until it was reported at least twice a month.

He said: “They always said they couldn’t really do anything because no physical altercation ever took place.

“But I’m not the kind of person to get violent with anybody.

“Also, it was always different people so they claimed they couldn’t log it as similar complaint.

“Eventually a police officer told me I should just move house to get away from it all.”

The mobile mechanic moved from Connaught Mews to Mayville Road with his wife, 11-year-old daughter, and eight-year-old son in June 2015.

He said: “We weren’t left with any other choice......

Well you see, for something like that I wouldn't see any problem with a violent reaction from authorities.

Here there is clearly an innocent victim and hateful aggressors. People should push to adapt legislation in order to make punishment on harassment concerning race and religion more easily condemnable. Put a dozen of his harassers in prison for 3 months and he won't have any problem any more.

Though moving out was probably the best choice because no law can make people actually like you, but at least he shouldn't be harassed.

I hope that Europe still come to its senses and cease to provide its territory for the Muslims. This will happen in any case. Only if now they have a chance to solve the issue peacefully but not quite democratic, then it could lead to the revival of Nazism. We are already seeing growing protest mood of the Europeans.

As usual, just refer to actual studies and look how the evolution of Muslim population is not significant...
And also try to think about how education gets rid of religion. Best way to fight immigration is to give them and education...

I've said it a few times and I'll say it again. It's not islam in itself that violent, it's more of a geography thing. Serbia has muslim ethnicity too, quite a number, and there's a whole town where the majority of citizens are muslim and, believe it or not, there are absolutely no problems. It's not Islam you should be afraid by itself, but the middle eastern, mostly, and other theocracies that start extremism and islam is just a catalyst.

Nazism is an obsolete ideology. It is not going to get revived. Look at the neo-Nazi parties (NPD in Germany, NF in the UK.etc) across the Europe. They enjoy less than 1% support in all of the European nations.

I was wrong about Islam i said if islamic people had money they would never do terror..
Unless there family got bombed..

The ISIS suicide bomber who was paid $1.25MILLION in compensation by the British government because he was locked up in Guantanamo
The suicide car bomber was named as British fanatic Jamal Udeen al-Harith, 50
Born Ronald Fiddler, the Muslim convert was detained at Guantanamo in 2002
He was freed after two years following lobbying from Tony Blair's Government
Al-Harith was later handed $1.25million of taxpayers' money in compensation
But within a decade of leaving jail he would flee to Syria to fight alongside ISIS
Did you know Ronald Fiddler? Email alexander.robertson@mailonline.co.uk


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4247694/ISIS-suicide-bomber-paid-1-25MILLION-UK-g.


Now a Muslim gets 1.25 million and still he goes on to do terror ..I KID YOU NOT I AM SHOCKED..

Man i be living the life..He must of thought the next life was worth more than 1.25 million :D :D..

I am shocked would you kill yourself with that much money :D.

See how dangerous ISLAM is Not even 1.25 million can stop them from killing..

Bad religion ..He was already an islamic nutter before he got locked up..

It's fact that nothing will stop them not even money..
They want SHARIA LAW..

Tony blair needs a kick in the bollocks COUGH strung up on a lamp post ..
With quasimodo gordon brown ..He sold our gold at cheap prices to his friends..CUNT..
And royal mail and his friends could buy 500k worth the public 2 or 3 grands worth..

SCUM BAGS..LABOUR TONY BLAIR ..Not enough swear words to describe that man..

That shit turned us into an Islamic country..
It proves he flooded us with poor islam crazies because the poor voted for labour ..

So he invited poor crazies to add to our poor crazies.
Now the poor crazies go even crazier than before..

Now all the poor crazies are competing for the NHS SCHOOLS DOCTORS HOMES JOBS..

Now instead of competing with mary down the road i am competing with mostafa from umbongo land
Now if mary gets a job and i am hard up she might give me a help in hand..

But mostafa from umbongo land he sending his money back home and wont even talk to us because he got a different belief a way of life ..

SO THANKS TONY BLAIR..SHIT HEAD..

Now remember America you got vast amounts of land for your muslims to hide Like 50 states..

We have ENGLAND  big as 1 state TEXAS   55 million people in england with every country on this planet in it..
Now if a war broke out how many immigrants would flee?..Not our war  BUT YOU TOOK OUR FUCKING LIVES
Schools hospitals homes..

And this is why you see our army going down and down and down..

Why should we die for our country when you FUCK US OVER..Lining your own pockets or immigrants pockets

Now don't get me wrong plenty of immigrant who would die for this country
BUT you and i know most are only here for money and send most of that money back home so that money is lost to our people..It's getting spent in another country..

I AM BRITISH NOT EUROPEAN OR PAKISTAN ..Be fucking Islam Europe soon..

I think MAMA MERKEL DONE THIS THINKING WE ALL TURN TO CHRISTIANITY ..AN AGENDA..

Well you made everyone HATE RELIGION EVEN MORE..DAFT RELIGIOUS FUCKERS..

Christianity is DEAD  :D ..You killed it even more by inviting ISLAM to wipe CHRISTIANITY OUT   :D :D :D.

DUMB FUCKS..You know a country would never just say come on everyone can come without an agenda..

The Christian Democratic Union of Germany..MAMA MERKEL party..
Now why does a christian invite bad MUSLIMS to your land..She knew it would cause trouble..

Now was people starting to forget about religion..
So this stupid BITCH decided with the PEDO CHURCH that if we flood our lands with mad muslims it will get people back into religion and become jesus freaks again..

Now watch what she is asking the GERMANS TO DO..

Merkel suggests Christmas carols, flute-playing in face of 'Islam ...
Video for merkel ask the germans to play the flute▶ 3:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XANwvR7w5co..

Greece has loads of unemployed and part of the EU..
So why invite ISLAMIC CRAZIES rather than saying to greece we have loads of work come to our land until
you get back on your feet..Because you are part of the EU.

 Germany..  
Why ask Islamic countries to work in your country when you had many EUROPEAN countries who needed work?..
So much for the EUROPEAN UNION ..

Because you had an agenda ..and who gives a fuck about your CHRISTIAN BOLLOCKS ..
And your ISLAMIC CRAZY MONKEYS ;D..

To AMERICA DON'T BE FOOLED BY THE ISLAMIC BULLSHIT..

Your politicians watch them they would sell to Islam for a price..

Build a mosque..
Pay a politician     you can build one in Kentucky USA ..
Next thing you know the whole of Kentucky is ISLAM..

Like Kentucky we have little towns Like LEEDS OLDHAM and many other towns OVER RUN BY ISLAM,,

FUCK YOU TONY BLAIR CUNT ..GO AND DIE TWAT..

I hope your plane CRASHES      I WILL DO A JIG..
He as caused million of deaths and it's still going on because of him ..

WE HATE HIM IN THE UK..Yes he has the right to speak BUT no one cares..We hope he drops dead..

I was labour die hard.Never again not ever..ISLAMIC PARTY ..INVITE ANYONE IN FOR A VOTE..


 

You must be referring to the Muslims of Novi Pazar. I wouldn't say that they are entirely harmless. If you look at the demographics, then the proportion of the Serbs there has come down from 20% a few decades back to around 5%.

How can you say like that? Where is it written that Muslim people are terrorist? It is not like that only they are doing terrorism. Terrorism can be occurred also by others. And only they don't have the responsibilities to stop terrorism or hate or violence. We all should take measures to stop it. So i strongly disagree that Islam is a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love.

Islam is not a violence and hate,its all about peace and love. You should read the Holy Quran, its all about peace no violence. Some people take this wrong way and think wrong.And everyone fooled by the media's news. They don't think or research by own.
So firstly you should know then criticize and talk about this topic and don't believe the all media's false news.Some bad people do all this things and they give the name of Islam.so think and research and know about islam. This will be more better and right.

You should read the Holy Quran,..

Yes like my earth sister she read it all.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edVQETclhps

And me other earth sister thinks this.      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58w884vRrl0

And me last earth sister thinks this        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

I forgot to tell you my second earth sister smokes CRACK :D  ^     jesus crack

It's an attitude of violence that' seems quite pervasive among Muslims.

http://www.thelocal.at/20170216/teen-troublemakers-sentenced-for-violent-assault

 Five young people who beat up a 15-year-old girl last November in Vienna and broke her jaw have received prison sentences.

They filmed the assault and shared the video on Facebook, where it went viral before being removed by the social media network.

A 16-year-old Austrian girl, identified as the leader of the gang and the victim’s former best friend, was sentenced to 18 months, six months of which must be served in prison. A 16-year-old Chechen boy received the same sentence.
 The 16-year-old gang leader, named as Leonie, told the judge that she had wanted to teach Patricia “a lesson”, after she pulled a Muslim woman’s headscarf off in the street.

The beating took place near the Kagran U-Bahn station

The adolescent Muslims are very violent, at least when compared to the other children of their age group. The problem is that their parents teach them that attacking infidels is justified as per the Shakira law. Also, they tell them that since they are under the age of 18, they will get very light sentences, even if they rape of murder someone.

did you just call it "SHAKIRA" Law? its sharia law (translated to Law Law)

but anyway. what makes you think that muslim adolescents are "VERY" violent? you have no proof to back this up. in fact far more have did to white kids in school shootings then in terrorist attacks in america. if we are talking out side of america, then white school shootings are likely to still take the cake of most kills compared to terrorism.

    
http://heatst.com/life/teacher-28-gang-raped-by-9-iraqi-immigrants-in-vienna-attack/

A court in Austria has heard that nine Iraqi immigrants gang raped a teacher during New Year’s Eve celebrations in Vienna.

The woman, 28, said she was drinking in a bar with a female friend but was apparently “taken away” by four men and led to an apartment where five more men were waiting to begin the “humiliating and agonizing” attack, which lasted for two hours.

The defendants in the case are aged 22 to 45 and are all related to each other. At the time of the alleged attack, which is said to have taken place on January 1, 2016, five of the men had refugee status while the asylum applications of the other four were pending.

^^^^ Just imagine what will happen to these European nations, once the Muslims become a majority there. What happened to the Yazidi women in Iraq and Syria will repeat in Germany and Austria. For Muslim men, non-Muslim women have no use other than sex-slaves.

Well, that's a possibility.  In the USA that outcome is impossible because of the prevelence of firearms.

slam, they surely are great people, by the way I'm Filipino and here in Philippines there's a lot of Islam, they were good at communicating to people around them, loves helping a lot and they're God fearing, but when you go to a Mindanao (A place in Philippines) there is a lot of Islam terrorist that even our president can't handle. They keep killing soldiers even our president have an agreement of ceasefire.

That's the one thing that's holding back countries in EU, the hold of firearms and it will get ugly if the situation gets more out of control when people start getting illegal firearms... as it's that hard.

Unlike the popular perception, there are plenty of legal (and illegal) firearms in the European Union. Check this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XGu4mk61WQc/Ti4WmGRYemI/AAAAAAAABwI/zrpWnK8eyn8/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2011-07-25%2Bat%2B%2BMonday%252C%2BJuly%2B25%252C%2B9.20%2BPM.png

Gun ownership rates in countries such as Norway, Finland, Serbia, and Switzerland are among the highest in the world (although still lower than the rates in the United States).

Well i think its the same with christians and other religions also. There are a lot christians even before, that made atrocious acts throughout history. I think every religion has their own bad sides with people doing evil acts. Yes there are muslims who are currently sprrading terror but i think it's wrong to take this out on the whole muslim people as it would be very unfair to those muslim brothers and sisters who arenactually living a life of love and respect. And i don't believe if someone tells me here that islam teaches them to be aggressive towards non-believers. I think these people are in the same thinking as those islam extremists. Every religion for base its core on respecting others

Of course we can own weapons!

Difference is that we have to buy them in special places and provide numerous evidences of our identity.
You can't buy ammos at supermarket, that MIGHT be a reason for the low criminal rate with guns ^^

What makes a dent in gang activity and things like organized Muslim atrocities is concealed carry.

Then the bad guy looks at a crowd, and he knows there are likely some people in that crowd who will shoot back.

Ammo is totally not relevant.  99% of all ammo is bought for training and practice.  That needed for defense is a minimal amount, and is often a special type.

The only people who say Islam is a religion of Peace are non moslems, Even though they are lots of moslems who eschew violence there are some bad nuts who welcome them. I think leaders of the religion should come out and condemn acts of violence.

This is not true.  Not precisely.

The terrorist mentor of Osama bin Laden, Sayyad Qutb, founder of the Muslem Brotherhood, said...

"Islam is the religion of peace"

 (in the sense of submitting all of mankind to Allah.)

Here is an example of the way these asshats think.

If Islam was only spread by peaceful means, what would the kuffaar have to be afraid of? Of mere words spoken on the tongue? In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been supported with fear as far as a month’s journey.” Would the kuffaar be afraid of being told, “become Muslim, but if you do not then you are free to believe and do whatever you want”? or were they afraid of jihad and the imposition of the jizyah and being humiliated? That may make them enter Islam so that they may be spared this humiliation.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061017053855/http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=43087&ln=eng

Not impossible to happen in the USA ..
They will have babies like rabbits then in 20 years they will outnumber you all..
BUT they can own guns just like you can but in many more numbers..

Now just remember they will blow them selves up for burning there book :D..

So basically you be outnumbered by MUSLIM CRAZIES WITH GUNS    :D..

Now something for governments to think about in the west..

Political correctness ?..

If so many countries are in one country   you will have many different cultures ..
NOW some culture might think something is funny but another culture might think it's not..

I.E  the USA like MUM jokes ..Calls someones mum in another culture they kill you..

Now because so many different cultures in one nation what can we say or joke about that doesn't offend
someone..

Then you got women rights what can you say to a women without offending her ?..
Like if you say to a women Oh you look lovely ..Then she gets a huff on .

Imagine a women saying to a man oh you look lovely we be made up..

I mean a women does her best to look good puts short skirts on then get a huff on if you say oh you look nice..         Then you get some women who love the attention..

SO WHAT CAN WE SAY ANYMORE WITHOUT UPSETTING SOMEONE ..

See to many cultures clashing in one nation..
Like 30 different countries in 1 country all with there own cultures  . Going to be clashes about politics..
I.E   THE WAY WE LIVE..        No my culture is the best       no my culture is the best ::)..

WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY ..IT'S MY COUNTRY GREAT BRITAIN ..

BOWLER HAT or TRACKSUIT or FUCK OFF..In other words our laws ;)..

FREEDOM OF SPEECH ;D.. I WILL SAY WHAT I WANT ABOUT RELIGION..IT'S NOT REAL.. ;)

That's why you cannot do jack shit about what i say about ISLAM..I don't just call your religion ;D..

Do i have the right to say what i like about HARRY POTTER?..

Same with religion It's no different Both fairy tales..
Unless you got proof of unicorns   Or a women made from a mans rib..Prove it then you got a case..

I am going to make religion look so stupid no one will want to believe in religion as fact.. :D :D..

OUR FUTURE CHILDREN WILL NOT BE STUPID NO MORE..

No more of this..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk

So many cultures under one roof going to be people offended and clashes ..

So when different areas come to vote they vote for there culture and then they raise the awareness about what offends them..
Then we wont be able to say a word to nobody in case we offend..

That's another reason i want ISLAM OUT MY COUNTRY..
Culture clash and they are getting away with MURDER and RAPE >:(..

The Islam culture thinks it's OK to murder and rape ..My culture thinks it's wrong..

Now if Islam spreads like it is doing more women will be abused more murders more rapes..

They rape infidels and kill them..White women who show legs are fair game ..

So enjoy the ISLAMIC CULTURE it's a bad one..

Also no dogs will be left ISLAM will kill them all..
I rather have a dog in my country than a MUSLIM ;)..Much nicer  ;D

No music, no dogs, no alcohol...

Pigs and Dogs are considered "unclean" in Islam (perhaps in Judaism as well) and therefore radical Islamists kill these animals whenever they see them. Bacon is a prohibited food item in most of the Islamic nations, and this in turn leads to incidents such as this one:

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/qatar-man-arrested-for-smuggling-bacon-in-his-anal-cavity/

No i don't think that Islam is a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love. It is a religion of peace and love obviously. There can be no religion of hate and violence. So thus Islam.

I have never met a Jew that didn't love dogs.

In that case I was wrong. But there are strong similarities between certain Jewish and Islamic customs (such as the use of halal/kosher meat, and circumcision). But then the Jews are now some of the most progressive people on the earth, while the Muslims are just the opposite of that.

Of course, that I have never met one, does not mean they don't exist.   But generally, Jews seem very relaxed and rational about their religion.  Sort of like they don't pay much attention to it except when there's a need for a birth, death or marriage ceremony.  Some eat bacon some don't.

It's certainly possible there are a lot of half westernized Muslims one might say similar things about.

So you people all believe that Muslims are going to invade Europe and...
And what?
Like it's going to be a peaceful invasion and we're all going to turn Muslim?

DO YOU KNOW BRUCE LEE?..

Well stop starring at the finger ;)..Or you will get a slap on the head..

Learn something by watching this video ..IT WILL HELP YOUR LIFE ;)..

Finger Pointing to the Moon - Bruce Lee - YouTube
Video for bruce lee staring at the finger▶ 1:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg

25 years ago not many muslims in luton..

Non muslims destined to go to hell, British Police Go To Hell Muslim ...
Video for stacey dooley leeds muslims▶ 4:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNA

Here is whole documentary ..You will see how shocked STACEY is she only went away to work for a bit..
 Proof how easy they can take over.. SO FUCKING EASY..

My Hometown Fanatics: Stacey Dooley Investigates (Muslim ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps


SOON ISLAM WILL OVER RUN EUROPE ;)..Christianity is DEAD.. FACT..

OMG you're just a bunch of terrified dudes believing that Muslims are taking over your world xD

Well maybe that if you stopped bombing their home you wouldn't have so much Muslims in yours? xD

I don't bomb the homes..  Blame the ELITE. I.E SAUDI and greedy politicians ;)..
I don't make 1 penny off a weapon the weapon makers do ;)..

How dare you blame poor Mary down the street.
She is having a baby and needs a council home   But some immigrant took it..

The government has cut funds to hospitals schools  council homes    austerity..
 
Low pay wages from immigrants does not help our nation..
By the time the low pay use the hospitals schools tax credits for a home   the tax they pay doesn't cover the school bills  never mind the hospitals the tax credits and what not..

An immigrant should get NO BENEFITS WHAT SO EVER..
Oh you think it's unfair?..

Well i lived in jersey for 3 years and i worked knowing i got no benefits what so ever..
I knew if i never worked i got no money..

I even lived in a tent for the summer because no rooms ;)..
Worked till the winter then got a place to stay and stayed 3 years..

If your an immigrant it should be like this ..
You must have worked in the uk for 25 years and paying tax before you can buy a home or get any benefits..

Yes you can buy a home straight away as long as that home is worth more than 2 million ..
Why i say 2 million because most poor wont be able to buy a home for 2 million so no effect to the poor
because someone paying 2 million as no fight for a home with a poor person..

religion in general is shit

I agree. But Semitic religions (especially Islam and Evangelical Christianity) are more so. On the other hand, the oriental religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism.etc) are by and large very peaceful.

If you don't understand you're responsible for the actions of your government I have nothing to say to you.
Go back to your "I'm not responsible" bullshit.

In fact, all religions are dangerous. Just in every religion there are fanatics. They are a danger and this applies to fanatics of all religions.

Well mainly because they're not religions.

I don't know for Hinduism, but Buddhism and especially  Taoism and Shintoism are not religions.
They're... Mystical philosophies at best ^^

We got rid of tony blair ..Now we could of been irresponsible and left TONY BLAIR in power.. ;)

Also we chose not to go to war with SYRIA ..The vote was to bomb the shit out of Syria and we voted against
it..

We can only do something every 4 or 5 years it's called democracy ..Like get rid of who is in power..

If they decided after 4 or 5 years not to leave power we would attack and string them up on a lamp post..

But it's up to the police to arrest any politician leader if they broke the LAW ..
So maybe the police could arrest a few politician once and a while..

For me, no religion is the best or the most peaceful or what else.
Decisive are the followers
But I respect everyone and if I had to choose, then I would vote for the relegion that is not missioned.
No missions = no violence = no victims

What you morons failed to see is that having power and wealth in this world requires painting religions like Islam a bad thing.
One of the first teachings of Islam is "do no harm unless they try to harm you first".

If i leave ISLAM am doing harm to ISLAM  ? so that gives ISLAM the right to kill me..
Yes but that's what ISLAM believes  ;).

Upset Islam and you have?                     unless they try to harm you first..

I don't believe in your bullshit ISLAM   so i have struck first .. so now should i die?.

Well according to 700 million Muslims i should :D..

I thinks it's you who is the Moron.

That's where you're wrong kiddo.
You're all talking about your rights and shits, but you forget your duty.
As a citizen, it's your duty to revolt against your own government if you actually believe they're threatening the future of your country and that the system is rigged in general.

Really?

Who, exactly do you think is going to believe that?

No we vote ..When we vote who ever wins that's what we must follow. If they don't follow what we voted for THEN YES IT IS MY DUTY TO REVOLT  ;)..

Like take Brexit if we don't pull out you will see the shit hit the fan..We voted OUT.

NO DEALS BUT OUT..Get a deal but if one is not reached by the dead line we pull out with no deals..
JUST WALK..

The politicians were all saying once we leave we leave no going back..OH and the sky would fall in :D
So we asked to leave and WE WILL LEAVE ..

To all you EU politicians i smell your money interest in the EU EVAPORATING 

You do know that it's the ISLAM WE HATE and we hate you for making us live with it..
SO FUCK OFF.. EU DUMB ASSES

A politician cannot say WE HATE ISLAM but we know most do :D     get called racist

Every country in EUROPE will turn on ISLAM and POLITICIANS OF OLD .
And if you think CHRISTIANITY will be back again YOU KILLED IT ..

See stupid religious thinkers with their stupid ideas .

I would disagree. I would rather call Hinduism, Shintoism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and Yazidism as real religions. For me, Christianity and Islam are more like business minded philosophies.

OH COME ON THEY ALL WANT MONEY..

You don't think they get dressed up for nothing ::)..HINDU you pay RINS

Buddhism the monk does a couple of chants and you pay the monk..

Witch doctor rattles his bones to make you get better or puts a curse on someone for you   BUT they always want paying  Always.

And your a Hindu you of all should know someone always wants something..
GODS LOVE PROFITS..   RINS

I am not an anti muslim but we all know that this is right in most cases they are responsible for terrorism. I think it is because they want to fight for their liberty. Although i have seen a journalist before who went into iraq and interviewed a terrorist group. Children there were thought that suicide bombing is also dying for Allah which also means that if you die for allah you can go with him/her

I would argue that the media pushes the opinion that Muslims are responsible for most of the terrorism... but, the media pushes a lot of opinions which are not concordant with reality

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005 (https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005)

Ok, well that is just America... but Europe... that is where all the terrorist attacks are, right?... wrong!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html)

They need to be responsible for all kinds of terrorism. Why? Because if they aren't, they are not really Muslims. Their Koran book says that they have to be violent to be Muslim - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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Non- muslims? Can you name some terrorist groups that are non muslims? Even if the media is doig it wrong or right. Still it would be very easy for us whether the terrorist is a muslim ones or not. For example the ISIS. Most of the muslims are saying that they are actually part of the muslim community. However it is pretty obvious that they are muslims. Again i am not against muslims

With the repeated claims thats Islam is a religion o peace, Their actions says otherwise. Most but not all of them are ready to kill "infidels" so that they can go to heaven and have their 72 virgins thats been promised. according to my research, if they commit this heinous deed, their family members also get the chance to go heaven. Whiles Jesus laid down his own life for people to go to heaven, Islam tell others to kill to be able to gain access to heaven.

It's not a religion, it's an ideology. A way of life that grants peace and love among muslim MEN. The rest can pretty much get rekt.

So it's fascism, really.

Oh come on seriously dude? Most of them? I've known a lot of muslims here who follow islam by heart and not once did any of these violent things you're stating ever brought up. I don't think we have any right to judge all muslim by what their bad tomatoes are doing because there's as much bad tomatoes in any other religion as well. I think its unfair to the majority of kind respectful muslims around the world.

We certainly do have the right, when those "bad tomatoes" claim they are virtuous, good muslims, and cite from old holy books in support of their position.

And that's exactly what they do.  Anyway, many Muslims consider the likes of the founder of Hamas, or Bin Laden, or Yassir Arafat to be heroes and role models. 

They were terrorists, pure and simple.

And all those good tomatoes are afraid of being ruled an infidel by those bad tomatoes which is about the biggest shame one an bring upon a good muslim. A threat too since being judged an infidel means you're free game.

The media cover up more than they are telling if the truth be known..
A lot doesn't even make the news..

Rotherham council ignored child abuse by Asian gangs because of ...
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4 Feb 2015 - Damning report into the Rotherham child sex exploitation scandal ... A new report released today claims that the Rotherham Council is 'not fit for purpose' and maintains a covering-up culture

Facts about migration and crime in Sweden - Government.se
www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
5 days ago - Claim: "Sweden had its first islamic terrorist attack not so long ago" ... are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up."

Second Swedish police officer blows whistle on migrant crime cover-up
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9 Feb 2017 - A Facebook page set up in support of Springare currently has over 130 ... Meanwhile a Swedish court sentenced a Muslim migrant to only two ..


Muslim rape culture | The Counter Jihad Report
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4 Jan 2017 - Posts about Muslim rape culture written by Admin. ... Britain's Muslim Rape Gang Cover-Up ..... how fractious life can feel in modern-day Europe, then take a look at the furious row in France over the writings of Kamel Daoud.


France: Muslim migrants gang-rape woman near Eiffel Tower
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17 Sep 2016 - France: Muslim migrants gang-rape woman near Eiffel Tower. September 17 ... The free woman must be completely covered except for her face and hands. But the sex slave can be naked from the waist up. She differs a lot

Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis Spirals out of Control
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9 Aug 2016 - Germany's migrant rape crisis has now spread to cities and towns in all 16 of ... Up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany in 2014 do not appear in ... Rapes are sometimes treated as local interest stories and covered by local or ... were German nationals, when in fact they were Muslim migrants.


Group-rape of girl cover up in Holland - an update - Free Republic
www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3c0bd2e75544.htm
3 Dec 2001 - Skip to comments. Group-rape of girl cover up in Holland - an update .... To: knighthawk. What is the punishment for rape under Islamic law?


The New Terror Threat: Organized Rape :: The Investigative Project on ...
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15 Jan 2016 - In 2003, for instance, 15 Moroccan-Dutch youth raped a 22-year-old Dutch ... The men would tie her up and gag her mouth with a ball to stop her cries from ... Muslim girls are expected to remain "pure" until marriage, to cover ..

Canadian Media Cover Up Syrian Refugee Sex Assault on 6 Young ...
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/02/10/canada-syrian-refugee-sex-assault/
10 Feb 2017 - Canadian Media Cover Up Syrian Refugee Sex Assault on 6 Young Girls .... MEDIA BLACKOUT After Muslim Migrants GANG RAPE Teenage ..

Islamic Terrorist Attack Cover Up in Melbourne, Australia - Live ...
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21 Jan 2017 - Islamic Terrorist Attack Cover Up in Melbourne, Australia ... If you can kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and .


Terror attacks in Australia: the near-misses you haven't heard about
www.news.com.au/national/...terror...australia.../86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80
23 Dec 2016 - AUSTRALIA would have experienced 15 terror attacks including public ... The suspects, believed to have been inspired by Islamic State, are expected to .... spree to load up on weapons, before he was arrested, police alleged.


Australia: Police told to cover up Muslim identity behind 14 x brutal ...
https://cairnsnews.org/.../australia-police-told-to-cover-up-muslim-identity-behind-14-...
16 Oct 2015 - https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/15/australia-police-told-to-cover-up-muslim-identity-behind-14-time-brutal-gang-rape-of-young-


THE MEDIA ARE NOT EVEN PAINTING ISLAM IN A BAD WAY..

The media don't report what's really going on with these backward ISLAMIC NUTTERS ..

BUT you do know that we are at war with islam and the media cover that up..

So when islam comes to our lands what do you think they want to do to us..

I mean IMAGINE in the world wars letting Germans walk around great Britain ???..

OUR GOVERNMENT BOMB ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ..THEN LETS THEM WALK AROUND IN OURS ??? ???..

FUCKING CRAZY SHIT >:( >:(..

Who ever is in POWER IS A THICK FUCKING DICK BRAIN .

And you wonder why trump is fuming what he got left with..A HEAP OF SHIT..

TO ALL THE LEADERS OF THE WESTERN WORLD..

GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SUCK THE SHIT OUT OF THE SAUDI ARABIAN BUM HOLES..

YOU DIRTY MONEY GRABBING SHIT LICKERS

SELL YOUR GRAN MOTHERS FOR A PENNY.

You have tuned the UK into a MUSLIM NATION..TONY BLAIR DIE YOU SCUM BAG..

It will be extremely hard to find a single Muslim, who is opposed to the Hamas and Yasser Arafat (although I am not very sure about Al Qaeda and Bin Laden). It is always a matter of Muslims vs non-Muslims.

Right.  And we can show quotes from Hamas and Arafat which show they were terrorists, pure and simple.

It's all right out there in the open.  If you look for it.

"She [Hamas suicide bomber Re'em Al-Riyashi] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004

Arafat.  "Peace for us means Israel’s destruction and nothing else."

If a Muslim says "Islam is Peace," maybe you need to question him about what he defines peace as. 

Please look that the views of Islamic nations on Israel. A large number of Muslim nations does not recognize the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign nation. That tells a lot about the tolerance of these people.

There's a lot of pent up hate in Muslims.

Yeah those intolerant little bitches!
How can they not agree on Israel?
I mean, sure we never asked them their opinion about having such peaceful neighboors
Sure we decided to create a new country here without really thinking about future consequences

But they should accept that!
They should accept OUR decision! As WE know and they don't.
Intolerant freaks  :P

Indeed, it would seem that "Islam" is the "religion of peace," except for of course Israel, and it's consort American (The Great Satan), and the other Western nations who support Israel, and well, just "the West."

Yeah, good Muslims will all just "Jihad the West."

And also Jihad all the other Muslim sects that vary in minute details from theirs.  Can't have that can we?

Islam itself isn't the problem. Christianity or Judaism ain't the most sensible religions on earth neither. All three of those religions are written by a lunatic.

People are the problem.

If you are stupid, it doesn't matter whether you are christian or muslim.

I don't have evidences but this type of stupidity is forced by USA and their allies in the Middle East. So they can sell their weapons easier to those stupid shit. That's not an excuse of being stupid but that's how it is sadly. Smart people already left those shit holes anyways...

SINCE the religions were all written down by men, isn't your assertion tautological?

It seems to me that it is not a religion. It's the lack of punishment for actions. There are UN troops, NATO. Other countries can join. Each case of terrorist attack or promote hateful ideas must result in a military invasion of the country and cleansing the area from the radicals.

Yes yess! In the end, all people are stupid and should be eradicated from earth. A wise man once said;

"Brothers, oh brothers, my days here are done,
the Dornishman's taken my life,
But what does it matter, for all men must die,
and I've tasted the Dornishman's wife!"

Any religion teach people to do good things not bad.. is human being only not the religion

How did you feel about the fact that in Muslim countries women are stoned to death or thieves cut off their hands or are forced to walk in a burqa? And there are many such examples.

Well as the West attacked first... Yeah seems logical to me.

As far as I know, being peaceful doesn't mean accepting to get bombed daily and smiling for it.
It just means to not attack first.
Which they didn't.

Got it!

Just as long as we're clear that you are redefining "peace" to be Peace excepting in the direction of

Israel
THE US
Western nations
The entire West
Gays
Thieves
Women
....

You missed one out  ;D..

Acts of faith: Why people get killed over blasphemy in Pakistan - In ...
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9 Jan 2017 - Acts of faith: Why people get killed over blasphemy in Pakistan ... An angry mob sets Christian homes on fire in Joseph Colony, Lahore, in 2013 .

Blasphemy Laws | PAKISTAN BLASPHEMY LAWS
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The Blasphemy law is a part of the Pakistan Penal Code, which was ... The law stipulated death penalty or life imprisonment for defiling the name of the prophet .

Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan's blasphemy law ...
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Why i mention this is because it just come on the news about 1 hour ago on the BBC 1 news About the
PAKISTAN BLASPHEMY LAWS..

Pakistan: 25,000 supporters of blasphemy law clash with police, set ...
https://www.jihadwatch.org/.../pakistan-25000-supporters-of-blasphemy-law-clash-wit...
29 Mar 2016 - Qadri told police he had killed the governor because he had spoken out against the blasphemy laws – at the time of the murder, thousands took .



WE ARE DEALING WITH BACKWARD CAVEMEN  ;).And this is what our governments want us to live with :D

 >:( >:(..

No one created a new country all of a sudden. Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews, and therefore after the WW2 it was decided to resettle the surviving Jews there. To accommodate the Arabs, Israel was partitioned in to two, with more than 80% of the area being allotted to the Muslim state (Jordan).

I disagree. See here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

From what I understand, while Israel was established, the unprovoked land grab that was the 6 day war is the reason for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. And subsequent settlement of internationally disputed territory. Not saying they didn't have the right to feel threatened. But they threw the first stone, this is historical fact.

I don't understand. Israel was established in 1948. The six day war happened in 1967. There is hardly any connection between the two events. Jordan was not happy with their share of Palestine (85% of all land), which they got during the 1948 partition. They wanted 100%, and decided to attack Israel.

FYI, "unprovoked land grab" does not correctly describe the events.  When a nation mobilizes for war, the evidence of it is obvious.  That's what Egypt was doing.

After the war, Israel was willing to cede almost all of the newly acquired land in a peace agreement.

But  these  hopes  were  dashed  in  August  1967  when  Arab  leaders  meeting in Khartoum  adopted a formula of three noes: “no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=68

I apologize. I will admit that landgrab was a strong an incorrect term. I reviewed your document (about 40 of the 400 pages). I will start off by saying the text is a bit biased towards Israel. Now, I differ with the description of the escalations leading up to the war. War was not inevitable at that point. I will admit that Arab forces did mobilize troops in advance of Israeli response. But was that response valid? We stood off with a nuclear super power (Russia) during the Cold War without a single shot fired. We came very close to war. and honestly, some of the covert shit that transpired is patently an act of war. But no one struck. Despite the posturing, despite the threats, we persisted without conflict.

So, I'm not mad at any country acting out in its self defense. You don't have to explain to me why a religious minority might feel threatened surrounded by hostile neighbors. But they cast the first stone. and despite how we may disagree about the origins of the conflict, can we not agree that the illegal settlement by Israel is a slap in the face of good faith peace efforts by both parties? How would you feel if an international court said you get to keep your land, but a foreign, invading government insisted on building permanent structures in said land, and housing its citizens there?

And let's talk about the escalation of force. Every time a rocket is fired at Israel, despite it's overwhelming military superiority, the response is highly escalated. rocket at Israel = throwing a rock at a behemoth. No casualties when the rock hits its mark, but the mortar that comes back is certain to take a life. Same with Palestinian extremist. They don't tend to get arrested, they tend to get killed. You live by the sword, you may die by the sword. I have no problem with that, I am a student of the Sword myself. The far right leaning Congress represented in Israel ATM is entirely too nationalistic. Given that the 6 day war happened and is not going to change, what is Israel going to do about its settlement issue? Clearly develop said properties in defiance of international opinion? Establish an apartheid? Because if the settlements do not stop, this conflict cannot be resolved.

And let me be.clear. this is not one sided. Israel has suffered many abuses at the hands of its neighbors. Many abuses that should not have been tolerated. But now that they have gained the upper hand (we cannot argue this), will they be the bigger man, as all our shared faiths dictate, or will they stew in spite and nationalistic pride?

While the faults of the situation may well indeed be Arab aggression, will Israel ever be the bigger man? Is that not what our common father (Abraham) has taught us? We have forgotten our fathers face. And that's all of us, Jews, Muslims, and Christians. That Israel has won , essentially, will they act like a leader instead of an enemy? We will never spread the Lord's message divided like this. Do you think the current state of affairs in Israel, is a godly course of a godly people? Because I see an extreme government/ideology that is hindering the path to peace.

Your thoughts?

You may feel some kind of way about an Arab. I don't. When I meet my maker in Heaven, I will have to answer for my deeds and words. I'll be damed if I am denied the Kingdom because I had hate in my heart for someone that  Ivdon't even fuck with on a daily basis. What I'm trying to say is, Israel's reaction to Arab aggression in the region has been over the top. We understand you don't like your neighbors. That's cool. But be civil about the shit. You don't get to subjugate someone just because you are are occupying them

So if all Amerindians and their heirs decided to take 20% of USA and the whole world said "yeah USA do that" you would be ok with it?

"illegal settlement?"

You realize what you are talking about is just regular commercial housing developments, right? 

Why don't your beloved Palestinians do some of their own regular commercial housing developments?

Two wrongs don't make a right. What happened to the native Americans (not just in the US, but also to those in Mexico and the other Latin American nations) was genocide. I support the establishment of Oklahoma as an Amerindian sovereign territory. It is their land.

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Okay, maybe 49% are violent.

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OK... Just 49% are violent. But the remaining 51% supports this violence, and offers them all the necessary help. But even if not all of them are violent, how can you make sure that only the non-violent ones are immigrating to the western nations?

Do you think this is enough? Millions of them! If 500,000 of them will commit acts of terrorism then imagine what it would cause chaos! Do you think that they deserve loyalty? I think not. For me they are not worth even one life of innocent victims of terrorist attacks.

Yep! We don't want to nuke them. The fallout would devastate all Europe, even if we nuked only the formal ME Islamic lands.

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They should make a genetically modified virus that targets radical Islamists ;D
Maybe one day their attacks will become so common that it will create an incentive among the scientists to create some sort of a weapon to dispose of this vermin.

The only love they have is to violence and dead man's switches.

Bad things to wish for.

How about talking them out of their psychotic beliefs?

Extremely risky, and not worth the time and effort. The last time when someone did that in Russia, he got killed. Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev

If things like this can happen in a 85% Christian nation such as Russia, imagine what will happen if you do the same in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Violence breeds violence. To fix the situation, we need to look for other ways to solve the problem. If we destroy those who we do not like, it will only set each other against each other.

Buddy, while you are talking that way, there are guys out there fighting ISIS.

And they doing it with violent means, because that is what is required.

American way of thinking:
"If your bombs haven't solved your problems kid, it's that you haven't used enough bombs yet"

It sure has proven efficient in your history ;D

By closing borders you can be sure that ONLY the violent ones cross your borders.
Because peaceful ones will be less likely to risk their lifes than the crazy terrorist ones :/

And you think you can close your borders efficiently... Then think again xD

Yes. The borders can be closed effectively. Look at Israel, which is neighboring Syria. Why hasn't any of the immigrants from Syria gone to Israel? Israel has shown to the world how to defend itself against the immigrant invasion.

Right.  Of course borders can be closed.  Just try to sneak into Saudi Arabia.

We need to stop Islam from spreading  even the ants have converted ..

Video for Ants convert to islam▶ 2:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=askPkbm6Z-k

Saudi Arabia is the most shameless and hypocritical country in the whole world. First they triggered a civil war in Syria, by arming the Al Nusra Front and the ISIS. And when people started fleeing from Syria, they refused to let anyone inside their country.

Do you really think that it is Saudi Arabia that defends its interests in Syria? Why then is the Russian troops? And who benefits from the fact that the refugees are massively beginning to fill Europe? In connection with the general world discontent there are others who are interested in such processes.

AH OK
Yes indeed if you want borders where soldiers shoot at sight at anything moving YES it can be close.

Of course you need a lot of money to support the cost and you need to teach your soldiers to shoot on innocents, but then yes it can be closed.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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You're saying that countries that are responsible for current situation should welcome refugees?
Then why shouldn't Europe welcome them? You believe they had no role in the destabilisation of this part of the world? xD

The Syrian civil war started in 2011, after Qatar and Saudi Arabia started providing weapons for the Islamic terrorists there. The NATO (including some of the European Union nations) started their involvement in 2014, and it was mostly restricted to aerial strikes.

EU contribution to destabilization of the Middle East was minimal. They send some troops because USA demanded their "help".
European countries didn't plan this intervention and their soldier were pawns and cannon fodder used to minimize US loses.

Amount of refugees escaping to Europe is disproportionate to amount of influence EU had when it comes to destabilization of Arab countries.

The issues are: Deception, greed and indoctrination. Muslim started the first hate messages when they were told by their prophet that killing of a nor Muslims attract divine blessing and paradise. The same prophet said life is divine and his followers will pick those points and began to kill people thinking they doing God works.

I don't think this is correct. It is people who misinterpret the divine message from the Prophet. I am not a Muslim but I am a Christian who have read their book and in there it says who ever kills a person unjustly is the same as he would have killed all the world population. Let's love each other and not spread hate propaganda.

To love each other only to the point until the first blood was shed. The Muslims have a practice of blood revenge. I think that hatred of Muslims is the same. They were the first to shed blood and must now be responsible for it.

Its nice to actually read something like this that doesn't focus on hate. Yeah, i think the common mistake is that we misinterpret things we don't fully understand and we only highlight things that are a bit radical comoared to our beliefs. I too am a christian but i think islam is a beautiful religion. I said it not because of what i hear people say about it, but with how muslims that i know that cleanly practices islam, treat other people with respect.

Where do you see respect? Muslims do not respect infidels. You are probably a Muslim and therefore trying to justify their religion. View here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1815893.0

How can that be?

If they practice Takiyya - lying, as told to in the Koran - they are not respecting the person they are deceiving.

If they try to kill or harm someone who wishes to leave Islam - as told to in the Koran - they are not treating that person with respect.

There are countless such examples are there not?

There is no good or bad religion, every religion has something bad and good. In my opinion, religion was created to manage people and create enmity between different nations.

No religion was created to control people. Enmity between Nations is normal for humans. And when the war is between the religions, it's just they are fighting for the number of slaves.