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We probably have multiple alts that one could consider as better version of bitcoin but as you're noticing, bitcoin is gaining more popularity and a fast growth. The price is not a measure of a coin success so what I'm referring to here is the the number of ATMs, exchanges, stores, services, and people accepting it.

So even If we have some people using alts currently because they believe they are better then bitcoin (which may be true), bitcoin is evolving and the development is super active and exciting times are coming. I honestly believe that this make alts useless (say, by the end of the year), your thoughts?

I feel the same because I have recently looked into the upgrades incoming for Bitcoin and they will resolve most of the problems it has, which is what alts try to solve. Now there may be some use case for a handful of alts but I think 95%+ will be useless after 2018 perhaps 2019. Not gonna hodl many alts after this run, if I do they will have a use case that Bitcoin 100% can't.

don't know if BTC is making alts useless, some coins have actual real life application and are mode especially for one reason.

ok you can say that that is not a good thing. but the blockchain of btc can't be used for everything. i like the fact some development is made for real life problems. btc does not solve any real life problem except the banks

Is bitcoin going to be instant and free like XRB? No.

Is bitcoin going to support smart contracts like ETH and NEO? No.

Is bitcoin going to pay you for holding it like NEO, VEN, XLM? No.

Is bitcoin going to pay you exchange dividends like KCS and COSS? No.

Is bitcoin going to be completely anonymous like XMR? No.

Is bitcoin going to have the business partnerships of VEN, ICX, WTC, REG, OMG?

Lightning network will it make it a bit faster and a bit cheaper. There's a hell of a lot more to blockchain technology than being a bit faster and a bit cheaper.

Even if we don't put Bitcoin into the arguement most of these so called ALtcoins are useless and I pity some people because they will wake up one day and see that they Altcoin stash worth close to Zero. The level of investment in Bitcoin is so big and this can't be rival by any ALtcoin projects so far

You are actually wrong. Bitcoin has its uses, and many altcoins have a very different use case, tackling a very different real world problems. It is like comparing smartphones with beans, you cannot say one is better than the other. They just have different purposes.

Yeah, BTC has the most adaptation between the whole market, but... How long ago did you make a transaction with BTC and with ETH? If we compare fees there will be an obvious fact that BTC is far behind ETH in the matter of a payments cost.

Bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency now, he is the progenitor of cryptocurrency. But bitcoin technology is obsolete. There are many promising altcoins with fast and inexpensive transactions now. Not all altcoins are useless ;)

"So far". Bitcoin market dominance is at a historic low of 34%, while ethereum continues to climb upwards. With Ethereum being faster, cheaper, better tech, smart contracts, etc, it is only a matter of time before Bitcoin loses the top spot.

This is the present. But in future...
The crypto-currency world is going so rapidly that bitcoin suddenly can surrender. After this, the race of leading coins will starts. Then it will become even more interesting)

i donr see BTC used in day to day life it will be more or less digital gold, asset holding value where as some other alts with less fee and quicker transation time will have more daily use

There is room for more than one crytocurrency.
Especially, a crypto will fit to one specific need.
Seeing the world ruled by only one crypto is IMO not going to happen.

I completely agree with you. A lot of coins will be made completely useless with time, because they will eventually lose the edge they have over bitcoin. The coin that will lose more will probably be bcash. Although they still have better fees right now, that is not doing them any good, since I don't see any major adoption of bcash as a payment method. People are buying crypto to trade, or to save as a store of value, so the fees and transaction speed act more as a small annoyance, rather that the real tie breaker feature.

Also, as soon as bitcoin get the lightning network, it will completely outperform bcash, and the majority of other coins that want to play a role as a payment method.

I think that the only coins that will survive, are the ones that are no directly competing with bitcoin (like ethereum for example).

I think Bitcoin reach this price because it's accepted and used in many places like you mentioned. All alts are related to Bitcoin because it's the final way to cash out your funds in any other cryptocurrencies.

You are right in a way. I am into alts much more than into bitcoin, but I do make a difference between coins, utility tokens and dividend tokens. Of these, only coins and utility really need adoption, and some of the utility tokens don´t need a lot, as their value is backed by services.

 Regarding Bitcoin in the incoming year, while I really hope the best for bitcoin, as hodl some, for the moment it has shown a less than ideal ability to deal with the disagreement in its own community and a very slow implementation of the latest developments along with a centralised (large mine) governing group and lack of consideration for the everyday user.

To sum up, either Bitcoin moves quickly or Alts will make it irrelevant. As I am writing this, bitcoin is only 35% of the market cap.

https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/ (https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/)

I do agree with you on this one,people seems to forget that bitcoin isnt done with improvement and when they are implemented it will make 99% of alts useles.For example lighting network is working on testnet for more then a month without problems and afaik there is even talking about implementing smart contracts on it,also atomic swap will happen soon2.When this changes hit mainet i wouldnt be supprised that we see btc going to 100k$

my opinion because bitcoin is the king of all coins, and people people know it is bitcoin. but do not rule out altc will compete depending on what is on offer altc like ATM in certain country. like bitcoins that already have ATMs in russia. and altc is traded on many exchanges like bitcoin. and one more total supply of people thinking more and more total supply the cheaper the price of the coin. so depends on the excess altc itself.

1. The lightning network is going to process millions/billions of transactions per second and It's going to be instant and the fees will be so insignificant so yes. (and no, It won't make it "a bit" cheaper and faster)
2. Yes it will. RSK is under development and read this too: https://www.coindesk.com/greg-maxwell-taproot-bitcoin-contracts-life-after-blockstream/
5. I can't tell for sure as I'm not a cryptographer but there are definitely proposals (Confidential transactions, TumbleBit etc.) that are being worked on to make bitcoin more anonymous.
6. It's a decentralized network so what is a definition of "business partnership" and with whom? I'm not sure that's an advantage.

As for holding and dividends then the bitcoin whitepaper clearly says "P2P Electronic cash system". It was never meant to give you dividends. My point is, a lot of things are coming to bitcoin which will make most of the alts useless, not all of them but definitely most of them because after all we have 1500+ crypto while most of them are never heard of by most of people.

The only positive thing that came with BTC in last time is lower transaction fees. BTC is still slow and I avoid it. Have most of my portfolio in alternative cryptocurrencies. ⭐️

Not totally useless. There's time that altcoins going up while bitcoin down or vice versa. For now all are going down because of bad news and we all know it's the norm. It will take some time to recover :)

I don't think btc is making alts useless.

If anything, as btc grows, more people seek to invest in smaller more volatile coins that can 10x. Hence, making them more useful if anything.

i think thats not true, bitcoin is most popular and king of cryptocurrency but isnt making alts useless
alts like ETH, NEO is really good, faster and cheap fee, just matter of time till other alts beat BTC

I think it is necessary to distinguish a token as a share of the company, and a coin means of payment, so altcoins of the best projects will always be in demand.

Bitcoin offers only to be an actual payment. But all of the things is very true. Bitcoin looks become useless compared with those coins which have better scalability than it. Lightning network didn't give a lot of impact to the bitcoin. Look at segwit and does it solve the problem of bitcoin? I remember blockstream believe about segwit will become the best way to fix it.

Bitcoin will always be the king of the crypto currency world. This will continue for a long time. Altcoins aren't as strong as Bitcoin.

Everybody is predicting something will happen to BTC. The flippening, or major loss of dominance and so on.
But as long you'll have to say the word "similar to bitcoin" after "cryptocurrency" to explain to outsiders what the hell you are talking about BTC is king

Yes it is. But you can always exchange your favorite altcoin for bitcoin and after that you can spend your money. And besides, in many places that accept crypto currency, you can use ethereum to pay off.

That is true. But Bitcoin is not making altcoins useless, because we still need altcoins. They solve different problems and have different use.

For me altcoins are just temporary investments,these alts can be worthless anytime soon when bitcoin's lightning network is fully implemented,most of these shitcoins that doesnt have any good working product/services wouldnt survive if bitcoin's price surge up to $50k or more because they are measured by satoshi,if bitcoin's price would increase exponentially surely these alts would be worth less than one satoshi.

i think the same too. here in my country only bitcoin can be exchange in fiat in our local exchange and no other altcoins despite of their popularity. this just means bitcoin have gain momentum and starting to get more popular. even though altcoins have their own uses they can't outclass bitcoin.

I think that you can buy any altcoins because if the market still decides to go up, then each coin will have to add 10%, which in the end will affect the overall market capitalization, which should be about a trillion dollars

Bitcoin's dominance is why these altcoins wont grow like bitcoin,because these big players are holding most of the bitcoins in the market.Surely they wont allow any coin to replace their billion dollar investments easily.If there will be some switch or flippening to happen it will ethereum i bet,but the switching would be not easy because invetor's feelings would be scrumbled that they wont overcome the switch if there will be any.

i don't think any of bitcoin's advances are going to make altcoins useless.
well the way i see it is that altcoins have 2 usages:
1. to be pumped and dumped. which will never die no matter what bitcoin does!
2. to explore this technology in new ways. and this will not die either. there are a lot of innovations in this market among different altcoins. granted they usually turn to shit but we can not deny the interesting innovations. they can be small things like what LTC did with changing mining,... or bigger things like changing the PoW to PoS and now these new ones taking advantage of DAG technologies.

that is why i have a love-hate relationship with altcoins


the only thing that your comment shows is that you do not know anything about anything. i suggest educating yourself a bit more ;)
OmegaStarScream already covered them in details so i won't repeat it.

Bitcoin for a long time will remain the most expensive coin. I'm sure and its value directly affects the altcoins. It is obvious. Altcoins need a hype. Ripple almost shifted the Ether the same way.

I would not say ALTs are getting useless by the end of the year, that sounds too much to me.
But Bitcoin dev team is huge and an all star team for sure, so I would expect not many ALTs will
have an important role in 5 years from now (probably not more than 10-15)...and of course, BTC will
be in a pretty dominant position by then

I do not think Bitcoin is making Altcoin useless on the contrary Bitcoin is serving  as springboard for quality Altcoin.  The popularity and the premium pricing of bitcoin is making people all over the world and corporate entity to look for Altcoin like Ethereum etc.

There are too many coins now. Imho most of them will disappear in the nearest future. Only strongest will survive. We will see lots of delisted coins and tokens in the nearest future.

There would be always advantage among those altcoins over bitcoin when it comes to feature and its capabilities but we cant really deny that bitcoin would really still remain on the top and a big community do still believe on it.People might engage into those altcoins you do mention but yet I'm sure they are still storing up or using bitcoin. We do know its flaws but same as OP said we do further even see its adoption rate and usage.

I think you're not exactly right. Many altcoins are unique, and have the functionality that bitcoin does not have. For example-Ethereum, it has smart contracts that are not yet provided for in bitcoin. Monero - it gives you the anonymity that can give bitcoin etc.

i think yes , because the famous  name "Bitcoin " then if bitcoin fall or rise rapidly another alt coin 90% will drop and like lost their  foundation to keep the price up

how. Bitcoin can not have other features of altcoin. Because bitcoin has been used for a long time. when new cryptop forms. So pricing is dependent on bitcoin. I believe in the future. Some altcoins will develop over bitcoin. wait for it

Very strong arguments! In comparison with those "alts" bitcoin is most "useless" ;D

There could be a high tech coin that is much stronger than Bitcoin though Bitcoin has the age.

Saying "Strong" - you mean expensive? He fall from $20K, where is "strength"?
I guess he can be called "King" because he is founder of cryptos and he's respected. But as many kings, in practical life he can be most useless.

There's nothing to change that though. In the first place, bitcoin is what make people know about crypto currency.
Without that, those altcoins may not have any chance at all. Good thing that bitcoin is popular, so people know about others altcoins as well.
And no, altcoins are not useless. There are good altcoins as investment as well. And many people invest in ICO with altcoin, not bitcoin. Actually, altcoins also help to grow crypto currency market. Although not as much as bitcoin, but they support each other.

What if we put the question versus that altcoins are making bitcoin useless? We defenitely have a borough of altcoins at the present time that one can consider an avant-garde for the conventional bitcoin, but only a handful of them are logically being accepted in the economy, is it that the remaining altcoins should be considered dangerous for bitcoin?

Alts are for the most part speculative vehicles, there are only a few which have anything going on for them, so not much is going to change the alts which have some utility and niche will be used and the rest will be traded by speculators in a game of who can outsmart the other and leave them holding a bag of useless coins, so at the end things will remain mostly the same except I think bitcoin will regain part of its dominance once the lighting network comes into play.

There are altcoins which are faster and cost less to send transaction.
Price is one of the main reasons why bitcoin is so popular.
Would you buy 1 kilo of gold for 35000$ or 140000 kg of iron for 35000$?
I am sure you will make better use for 140 tons of iron than 1 kg of gold but gold is gold and iron is iron.
Please don't get me wrong, I prefer gold over iron  :D

Bitcoin is indeed making these alts worthless when it moves regardless if it is going up or down,most of the altcoins reacts to what bitcoin's movements which means people are getting out from the altcoins if bitcoin's started to move,that is the mindset of most of the people in the market and it is because altcoins are being calculate using satoshis,if bitcoin's price surged up to $50k or more im sure most of the altcoins in the market will die because i single satoshi would be like $5 each.

Actually, a lot of people already trusted bitcoin because of it's profitability and it's potential to change how the way people do their transactions in the future. However, you are right, there are altcoins that are entirely has a different function compared to bitcoin. Bitcoin also drives altcoin prices in some way, and bitcoin price also drives altcoin prices. However, I doubt if bitcoin will make other altcoins useless, because some altcoins are also growing together with the growth of bitcoin.

I think not because all coins have their own advantages and disadvantages.
so I think bitcoin helps altcoin to further develop in the future. because in the presence of bitcoin then all altcoin will race to be equal even exceed altcoin.

You will wait forever and you will never see that happen. Anything that makes bitcoin out of the system, obviously will affect all other altcoins too anyway. This is what you are forgetting, what does those altcoins have that bitcoin cannot end up having or does not have already? Now, what does bitcoin have that those altcoins can never have? I will leave you to answer those questions and know the reason why no altcoin will end up as useful as bitcoin.

I would say most of them, still some solid coins (tokens) doing something original but most will not be needed at all (I think).

You are underestimating the amount of people who want to buy "The next bitcoin below 1$" and become rich.

To be fair, if you choose a currency in the cryptocurrencies market for global trading, I prefer altcoins rather than Bitcoin, because altcoins themselves have a lot of cryptos in them, people can easily afford to exchange and trade different types of cryptos, not just Bitcoins. So for the next 15 years, Bitcoins will be replaced by altcoins to become global currencies, and people will trade altcoins instead of Bitcoins.

This is not possinle because every altcoin has its own value which is independent. This value sometimes gets effected by bitcoins market. There are many altcoins which are of good value and has good image in the market. Just dont be scared and enjoy the crypto trading.

in past, there were lots of automotive companies. (maybe thousands)
now? 20 maybe.

same evolution will be happened to these thousands alts.
only the most effective ones will live. other will be trash/useless.

Bitcoin will live forever. because this ecosystem's name is known as Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will always have the first movers advantage. Also with time bitcoin will improve. There are few other good projects out there which I hold in addition to bitcoin, but most people trade only to gain more bitcoins.

Given the ability of bitcoin to evolve and absorb the best qualities of other projects, I agree. Maybe just not so fast

I believe that bitcoin has a strong position in the market, and that it will continue to thrive in price, technology and many other fields, but to make any other crypto useless? I think not.

There are other use cases that bitcoin can not (or does not want to) support, and then there are new ideas. Very simply people will not stop innovating because we have a strong crypto in the market.

Somehow those alts that claim are better than btc are just selling an alternative of a technology to us by fixing let`s say the transaction speed of btc, but btc has been the one who have introduced this technology to us so even if some are better btc can copy their strenght and implement it by cuting off their strenghts.

With each passing year new technologies are being developed and the time will come and bitcoin will be removed. Already this year the market share for bitcoin is 35-40%. Yes, bitcoin is the first coin, he is heard by people, and that is why so far everything is built through bitcoin. But it's not forever

Not all but we are going there that we might seen a bigger progress and development with bitcoin as it's getting all the attention from the stage. I'm thinking about that before as I'm a bitcoin only investors way back then but when I'm started to and recognize that there's also a good flow of money in the circulation of altcoins, they are no longer ignored. But we are talking about the future here and you might be right and I may be wrong. Bitcoin will remain even without those alts but those alts won't if there's no btc.

Bitcoin actually is more popular compare to all most all the altcoin but the likes of Ethereum, Litecoin, Ripple are also trying to hold their own. I agree that over time most of the altcoin will be diminished and lost as most of them are not worth investing on right now.

Most of altcoins don't really provide users any new features, so they can  attributed to the scam. Fortunately, among the altcoins there are still interesting projects that deserve attention. BTC community is expanding every day, the load on the network is growing, the developers are trying to offer some solutions, but their implementation also takes time. altcoins are serving as meant of payment in some cases  helping to take the load off BTC network.

It is not the fault of bitcoin and it is not making the altcoins useless. Those altcoins that have got a solid project they will survive and others wouldn't.

btc dominance on in total marketcap was near 70% in october 2017 and now it is less than 40% .

so it shows alts are growing and people now buying alts too .

however btc is still holding a major portion of marketcap .

In my opinion bitcoin can not replace all altcoins. Maybe some will be useless to end 2018 but it still is being created altcoins what can survive longer

Of all the features of a cryptocurrency that is capable to be adapted by the majority of crypto enthusiasts is speed and scalability. Bitcoin has the least in terms of speed so  Bitcoin could be never accepted as to be the payment for fastfood and other quick trade services because Bitcoin's network cannot handle congestion loads therefore Altcoins are taking over.
You can't say that Bitcoin would be the main star of this Crypto Market because without Altcoins Bitcoin isn't that much appreciated and adaptable.
What I'm going to say is, people put trust on Bitcoin because it is complete decentralized and the code is completely transparent but if only Bitcoin is the only Cryptocurrency is circulating today there would be less people who are using it because of the effectiveness like transaction speed couldn't accommodate massive transactions.
Altcoins are still better than Bitcoin just except whales will turn their back on Bitcoin then Bitcoin will be just the part of history.

For me, if only all Crypto Exchange wouldn't pair Altcoin:BTC but instead Altcoin:USD or Altcoin:Euro then Bitcoin would be just the part of history.
Trading pairs in every Crypto Exchange should be transformed into pairing of USD or Euro then Altcoins would be note affected by Bitcoin value anymore.
If that will happen sooner or later then Bitcoin would be  put behind and whales will turn their back away from Bitcoin.
Goodbye Bitcoin... Good bye

I don't think you can make a case for bitcoin destroying altcoins when a lot of them occupy completely different niche markets than BTC. BTC is only a currency coin, many altcoins aren't even competing against it, so how could they be destroyed/made irrelevant by it. Doesn't make any sense.

Surely most of the altcoins today wont have any value in the future because when bitcoin's price surged up and reaches a $50k market msot of the altcoins will be valued less than a dolar because these altcoins are being cauculated in satoshi,if the $50k happened im sure one single satoshi would be expensive and these altcoins wont have any value in the future.

if you take into account Bitcoin or Bitcoin cash And also such as Bitcoin Gold, then any of these coins or similar other counterparts do not make sense at all. I think that it is much more complicated and more important in the world of crypto-currencies are those coins that provide real projects.

Well, he never mentioned that some of them are not unique, but if we face it, just very few of them are. Most of the alts are there are just merely some cheap scams which some devs just dropped on shit exchanges to adulterate the market as they have no working product. Those with a working product should still be useful and will do well in their category, but looking at the larger scale here, they cannot definitely get to where bitcoin is or ever smell it.

My thought is that virtually huge percentage of alts has always been useless. Most of them have no product, no essence why they exist and it sucks to see them pollute the atmosphere, so as far as I am concerned they have always been useless.

The level of adoption bitcoin has gotten to, no alt have even managed to get to a low percentage of it, and bitcoin will always keep having protocol development with that first advantage, so at the end, that makes most of them useless.

There is one thing with the first mover and that is what bitcoin will always have. Firstly, there are so many alts in the market that it would take most of them a lot to be able to get out there to perform, and there is nothing that makes them different that cannot be implemented on bitcoin.

The fact that bitcoin is still safer, it is the legacy coin and is in the eye of every investor, that would always make bitcoin stand out.

Well, do not assume that bitcoin directly makes alternative coins useless. Bitcoin actually started before they were even created. Devs should have thought about it before.
There will always be an imbalance between Bitcoin and altcoins eventhough they have nearly same media exchanges. As bitcoin started earlier, it is used as the medium of exchange which will likely to have more benefits than alts. It will be more useful because it is more widely accepted and it will not end as it has a network effect.
It can grow and attract users more  because it has larger market by a huge margin that makes it more effective to act as a currency.

That's why escalating and scanning is properly do by the people who wish to invest on the alts since by looking on trend coins is not really good since anytime they might gonna dump badly enough and that could hurt us. And selecting good coins is really must for us since if we choose those coins who have existing project then we can have a little relief since they will not surely run off since they are earning success on this alt business.

In my opinion Well, he never mentioned that some of them are not unique, but if we face it, just very few of them are. Most of the alts are there are just merely some cheap scams which some devs just dropped on shit exchanges to adulterate the market as they have no working product. Those with a working product should still be useful and will do well in their category, but looking at the larger scale here, they cannot definitely get to where bitcoin is or ever smell it.
The fact that bitcoin is still safer, it is the legacy coin and is in the eye of every investor, that would always make bitcoin stand out

Basically yes? Cause altcoins is depending on bitcoin, they depend on what state the bitcoin is, so thats why :) but i dont think that bitcoin really making altcoins useless, i mean why? Its not bitcoin fault. Bitcoin came here first. they are just basing on what bitcoin is. So definitely not bitcoins fault if altcoins are becoming useless.

I don't think so. BTC was intended to be p2p electronic money and slowly failing on it. Many altcoins already outperformed BTC. Many altcoins have special use cases in many different markets. For example ETH purpose to be world computer/platform for dApps etc.

Oh please, That is a stale story. Which of the coins in the market was not affected except for some bullshit coin that was just pumped ? Let it get to $0, and then we can say there is no more strength for bitcoin. Bitcoin started an uptrend from less than $1000 last year and got to over $19000 and now testing bottom at $6000.

Maybe you need to go to the books and get some history lesson on bitcoin. Because there is a downtrend now, that makes bitcoin weak right ? If it is by that, and the altcoin market decided to follow the trend as well, then that really makes them weaker and even more useless. Save me the strength story please.

But those are some of the best alts out there, there are many alts that are not special at all and are only there to make money, they may try to fake it and say they have better technology than an established coin but most of the time that is not true, so while some alts are making great advances in their vision and technology most alts are not like that and the only thing you can do with them is to speculate with their prices, this is why you see many coins pumping once and then never recovering its previous glory.

I'm personally not in alts for "Bitcoin replacements", but from a perspective of a equity. With LN and Rootstock there will be little reason to use random platforms over Bitcoin itself. So if equity type coins end up on the Bitcoin blockchain I'll just shift my altcoin portfolio over. I just hope that we won't get to a point where KYC will be built-in. I don't want my finances to be out in public.

Today this is exactly what happens, because bitcoin takes a dominant position in the crypto currency, if it loses its positions, then the altcoins will be free, but I still hope that this will not happen soon.

If you had read the OP you would've known by now that the price is not a measure of success. Prices going down doesn't mean that altcoins are useless. We're just seeing natural market movements right now.

No way, just because bitcoin is making upgrades doesn't mean alts will go anywhere. Granted, a lot will probably die off, but there are still better options than btc.

Yes, for now, and only for niche settings. And this is bound to rapidly change with LN, RS, and other implementations. That's what this thread is about.

Ethereum also announced many changes that will raise its value in the near future. There are other altcoins that will definitely live in the coming years.

I absolutely disagree with the statement that if there is bitcoin, then altcoyins are useless. Such a statement is unambiguously incorrect. Bitcoin is a universal coin that can not perform a variety of functions in different areas of our lives and perform the work that various altcoys are doing. Bitcoin now can not even cope fully with its small and few functions. The main role for man even now is not done by bitcoin, but altcoyins. Therefore, their diversity needs to be increased in the future, and the ICO should be supported unequivocally despite some shortcomings and risks for investors.

Pretty much everyone agrees that bitcoin is making other coins useless. Bitcoin is the poster child of cryptocurrencies, which allows other coins to thrive as well. Altcoins' success may be tied to bitcoin's performance, but that doesn't make altcoins useless at all.

I don't think Bitcoin is making alts useless, but it definitely impacts the success. Overall, if many people adopt certain alt coins then they aren't going to want to switch back when BTC gets it's stuff together. They will already be invested in the alts that they have become familiar with.

Bitcoin cannot make alts useles in my opinion, there are some alts that will die completely or become useless, yes, but there are some good alts with very good use cases which can do very well without Bitcoin.
2018 for me will be about delivery on use cases and providing real life solutions

What is Ethereum supposed to get other than faster transactions and POS?

I think 2018-2019 will die out about 90% of the coins from the market forever, and it will start this summer, perhaps in the fall, I believe in bitcoin as the most reliable asset let everyone say it's old, like a dinosaur slow and everything else, but it still remains the most popular!

I would not say that bitcoin is developing now and it is developing super actively. While everything is happening on the contrary, bitcoin has accumulated a lot of shortcomings, has become slow in the conduct of transactions, they in many cases hang, and commission fees have long been too high.

As for the altcoins, they are generally much more useful than our esteemed bitcoin. Bitcoin does not have those specific functions that the altcoyins can perform and perform.

My opinion is each and every alts has its unique features so no one can judge crypto currencies it is the plus and also minus point of it but bitcoin cannot stops the development of alts so investing is depends on each and every investors .

Bitcoin popularity is the best this coin have now, the demand continue to blow but the supply is really low that is why people loving to hold this more and longer.
Altcoins are depending o bitcoin in terms of price, even they have dollar value, still it depends on how many satoshi it cost.
Maybe there are alot of alts that is better than bitcoin but the popularity will remain on this BTC.
Hope to see some alts to overcome bitcoin popularity sooner.

Bitcoin had a big retracement not that long ago, when we saw whole market cap drop. And since it is still Bitcoin that we are talking about, he will definetly make his way up first, but don't worry shortly all alts will start to raise. Before that dip, we had a great price raise in altcoins, while even Bitcoin wasn't doing that great, so now it is time for opposite. But just be patient, altcoins will raise shortly.

Note, that not every alts are useless. Some of them are using inside platform for services payouts. But alts which want to kill bitcoin and become the star of cryptoworld, they will die or drop to zero value.
The strongest will survive, but another will die. Market can't have a lot of leaders.

Currently Bitcoin is destroying the most coins because the price is going up. Maybe they will drop some more in the next time but it is a good chance to buy some coins at low levels.

I think that crypto community will never ever let die anything people can speculate with- altcoins. This is the first thought which had occurred me as soon as l read the topic 's name.  Then logics switched on and I realized that btc doesn't have many of the features other coins do have. So no, alts won't become useless in the nearest future  if ever.

I am also making same shit mistakes always holding so much altcoins and can not sell whenever i have to sell. the purpose of altcoin trading must be always and only increase bitcoin quantity. whenever it is achieved exchanging back to bitcoin is the best thing we have to do.

why makes useless? because it appeared one of the first? even despite this altkoins overtake him and judging by the dynamics will soon be overtaken. and bitcoin stands still.

We defenitely have a borough of altcoins at the present time that one can consider an avant-garde for the conventional bitcoin, but only a handful of them are logically being accepted in the economy, is it that the remaining altcoins should be considered dangerous for bitcoin, Alts are for the most part speculative vehicles, there are only a few which have anything going on for them

These topics come up every few days. A new one every week. Madness.

Bitcoin is higher in value in price considerably yet the Altcoins are still here making money.

Let's not forget BTC dominance was over 63% around October/November time and now its only 38% of the market.


Facts.

I am not sure if useless is the right word but we should discuss the conflict of interest between bitcoin and alt coins. Lately bitcoin is not helping alt coin investors. People are afraid to switch alt coins because they are not guaranteed to increase yet. We need bitcoin to settle before we see alt coins on the rise again.

I think it's not right to say alt-coin is useless because bitcoin because it's alt-coin is giving people who want to have a coin with not so great money and sometimes get it for free

Funny statement. :) It is opinion of skeptics and not professionals. All experts talk about the good and bright future of coins. The future will come, the question is only when.

I wouldn't say anything is better than bitcoin because most have utilities. IoT Chain (ITC) is known as the IOTA of china. great coin to get into and hold. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/iot-chain/

As a currency bitcoin is unsurpassed and we should not expect that to change at all, there are only some coins that do something better but there are not many coins like that,  After all how many versions of Ethereum or monero do we need? We do not need hundreds of versions of the same coins this is why despite the huge number of coins I will say there are only a few dozen projects that are worth our investment and that can survive for the long term.

Why are Bitcoin and alts constantly compared or put into an either/or scenario. Any or all advances made by bitcoin, whatever improvements only enhance and fix the qualities of bitcoin. Most of the various upcoming altcoins are innovating myriad visions simplifying life, giving useful solutions, even working towards the greater good.

The situation is decided by itself. Worry should those who do not know about the crypto currency and did not invest money in it. After all, every day everything develops at a frantic pace! ;)

Bitcoin is the first crypto ever created and this is the reason that makes it popular. It is the first thing people think when they hear about digital currency.
When I found out this forum, I didn't know there were other digital coins too. It was also the first coin I have ever bought.
I believe more or less this pattern of behaviour, like mine, is the most common among people.
I don't believe there are useless alts unless those created for profit. or the decentralized ones that we all know (more or less) who they are.

No, altcoins still have some uses but the point of the OP is that the new developments of bitcoin will give it even more characteristics and use cases that will allow bitcoin to perform even more functions, think for example of atomic swaps, this will allow us to exchange our coins without the need for an exchange, this will not completely replace exchanges or decentralized exchanges but it will be a major blow to them, as you can see the developers are working hard to expand the functions of bitcoin and this can only spell doom for altcoins.

The requirement/dependency on mining will meant that Bitcoin will never be technologically sustainable (both scalabity and environmentally) into the long-term as its user-base grows; and acquiring consensus for BTC to move to non-mining or lesser-dependency on mining into the future will be difficult. This is perhaps the reason as to why people are hyping on infinitely scalable and zero transaction fee coins such as NANO.

Furthermore, selected altcoins (save for its own forks) will be here to stay, since Bitcoin is a technologically simple and basic coin that do not have the features that the second-generation and the coming third-generation coins has (including smart contracts, and so on).

I believe altcoin is very useful, because altcoin is a source of revenues for crypto industry movement and will affect the price of bitcoin itself. So with altcoin it can make bitcoin prices change rapidly.

bitcoin wont make alt coins useless. there are so many other applications that alt coins can be used for. DGPT is one of them. it will solve the problem of inheritance of crypto assets if someone dies.

As long as the alts are tied with the price of Bitcoin they are going to get man handled by Bitcoin. There needs for the flippening to happen and it needs to happen fast.

It can not be said that altcoins are useless. They strongly depend on bitcoin, but each altcoin has its own specific development, unlike bitcoin))

I'm sure that altcoins are very useful. They give us an excellent opportunity to earn. Some alto coins are much better than bitcoin technologically.

I agree with bitcoin's improvement for the past months it is really active, but we cant say that bitcoin makes alts useless, because there are some alts that has a perks if you're holding their token, plus we can't just hold a single type of crypto because there will be always misshape that may happen what if eventually bitcoin dies? You dont have extra assets in your wallet since you go all-in in a single coin, that's why investing into many kinds of coins/token is not a bad thing too.

I think some altcoins can be similar or like btc but they are different in popularity and i'm sure that btc is more popular because it's already better in many ways like mode of payments and a bank with own private keys.

This seems very extreme to me.  I mean if Bitcoin can keep the Transaction fees down and keep up super high TPS that are on par with newer coins that are directly trying to replace it sure those coins would become worthless imo.  So many other alts that are doing something different like setting up platforms for countless ideas many many many have very real world applications and will have a huge impact.

I completely agree with you. A lot of coins will be made completely useless with time, because they will eventually lose the edge they have over bitcoin.

BTC is not evolving. It becomes more expensive due to the fact that it's getting smaller and more difficult to mine. There are some alts that have financial meaning - ETH, LTC, DASH. Especially ETH although in itself it does not refer to digital money like LTC. If we are talking about evolution alts are constantly evolving. As money and as part of technology.

I disagree with that Bitcoin is not making Altcoins uses. All coins has their usefulness same as that bitcoin. To me the difference between Bitcoin coin and every other coin is the popularity and the achievement they have made before the arrivals of those other coin and I believe with time there will be competition Ethereum is already on the way.

There are a lot of helpful and meaningful altcoins so your Thread-Title is not that right. The diversity of the altcoins is extremly high.

Actually I begin to see it this way especially in recent weeks, Bitcoin price seems to be surging, I think still maintaining some equilibrium, while so many alt coins with ETH inclusive not getting anywhere near. I do believe, that Btc price should be a steeping stone for them all, but I have come to  realise that despite it seeming like that, every of these coins is the architect of either their misfortunes or fortunes

I think it depends on an Altcoin project because there are some altcoins that is not related with Bitcoin and the market will decide what would be the price value of that coins.
There are more altcoins that is focusing on environment like WePower and Envion that would likely bring the best project in the future.
Soon and very soon Bitcoin will no longer paired into altcoins but also dollar or euro as well.

not at all. Not all altcoins are competitors to bitcoin, majority of them are just trying to be helpful somewhere else, mainly for ICO money raising purposes these days.

Indeed, even with the altcoins today, they are valued without Bitcoin's pairing. Like Ripple, NEO and LiteCoin and other top altcoins.
Soon, there would be less market droppings because when Bitcoin dropped it will no longer drag down altcoins to it's price adjustments.

Bitcoin can not do all the altcoins useless, too many new and useful bring many altkoins, the market of altcoyins is very young and is actively developing, you are burying it early.

What about the other way around? Won't new altcoins which are faster and perhaps an overall better coin (in tech, etc.) make bitcoin less important? One of the bigger things bitcoin has running for it is its hype and popularity. The altcoins are just smaller and less popular.

In my opinion, both bitcoin and altcoins have their own market and there is no way that bitcoin is making altcoins useless or vice versa. Both are being used for entirely different purpose and the ones who are investing in bitcoin have their own reasons to invest which are far different from the ones who have invested their money into altcoin. Bitcoin has nothing to do with the market of altcoin in any way.

If we have some people who use alts today because they believe that they’re better than bitcoin
I think some altcoins can be the same or like btc but they are different in popularity and when seen the price is not the size of the coin successful

This story is far from new, in fact the market believes that Bitcoin should cost more and buy it in the hope of stable growth in x2 or x3. In the case of other coins, the risks are higher, and people are not willing to enter into them.  8)

Yes. Bitcoin is really taking the cake when it comes to attention. But there are so much good projects together with altcoins out there. Unlike bitcoin, altcoin comes with diversity. This what makes alt so good for us. There's a bunch of investors and a bunch of new fresh developments are coming through. It's just that most of them are getting dragged down by bitcoin during price dips but I don't think it will last because some alts are becoming better and better with their platform, system and other developments that are being done.

I agree that bitcoin is doing well, and when LN arrives properly it will solve a lot of existing problems. Certainly many alts will become irrevelant, and many are irrelevant already.
However I don't think bitcoin makes all alts useless. Many of them have specific uses that are separate from the coin/token itself. For example even if bitcoin is lightning quick with low transaction fees, it doesn't offer smart contracts, and it doesn't offer complete anonymity, it won't be the best option for integration with IoT, etc.

I think you have a point in this but we can't really blame BTC as it has been the first to be in crypto currency. Having alts on the contrary will make BTC have a little competition in the market so that it can improve its services. I think in the future there will be alts versus alts which is also happening nowadays.

Like they always say, when you are in Roman, you behave like a roman and as long as people are still seeing altcoins as a quick way to just make bucks, it would keep ending up that way. Not like some of them are not doing well, and some have grown over the years, so it is all about having patience on your holding, but no one can expect a coin to pump overnight and expect to see it keep growing. If the growth is not organic, then do not expect much. Moreover, bitcoin too had its own share, but that notwithstanding, it is obvious they are just in the shadow of bitcoin.

True, although the alts are helping bitcoins growth. And I agree with what the OP is saying, while bitcoin is evolving every year some altcoins are not that progressive as bitcoin but still use these alts the same way we use bitcoin. It is just that because of bitcoins popularity, altcoins tend to be treated as useless because people will most likely sell their altcoins to bitcoin.

If we put it that way, then alts are becoming not applicable in the exchanges or stores and people that accept it as payment.
But I believe businesses and other exchange centers may come to realize that bitcoin is not the only crypto that exist, that there are other succesful cryptos out there. What I'm saying is promotion is the best key or remedy for this for them to recognize the worth of alts.

Yes I agree, totally. Eth representing alts based on the argument of OP, is giving us an opportunity to understand that alts, especially Eth, is slowly gaining its footing against bitcoin. This is a testament of the potential of alts despite wide adoption of bicoin.

I agree. Even if their is seemingly a lot of coins in the market, and it reached a point that it has become confusing now on where to invest. I think that each of them supports a different technology and is used for their own specific purposes apart from their similarities. I think many view altcoins that way because, compared to Bitcoin, its values remain low and some of them are not even rising significantly. However, it's just how the market works, not every asset will see the sun, and so, some of them would just keep its value at bay, while some of them, like Ethereum, would rise up. It gives Bitcoin competition, and during the times when the it is going down, these altcoins would be the key to holding and keeping the market moving forward.

Bitcoin can not have other features of altcoin. Because bitcoin has been used for a long time. when new cryptop forms. So pricing is dependent on bitcoin. I believe in the future. Some altcoins will develop over bitcoin. wait for it

Nope, Bitcoin always drive the Alta when it goes up and reach to the moon, it never lets the Alta to be in same place or make it useless. Alta depends on their own potential and growth as well and it needs to show its full potential when bitcoin rises up and up. Alta are always the babies of bitcoin.

Is that not what then makes them useless. It simply means you cannot even rely on the sustainability of any alt without considering the movement of bitcoin in every way. It seems the market is generally centered on bitcoin and the altcoins are just more like distractions to make more money.

Check to see alts increase hugely now, and then you will see the rate they get dumped if there is a bear market or a huge bull market. However, it seems that is the trend, so one way or the other, I hope those with products may be able to do well on their own in the long run.

maybe it can vice versa, altcoins making bitcoin useless.
alts have more features

How would you increase your BTC size if you will not trade it with altcoins? The purpose ofcourse is to increase your Bitcoin size unless you are holding 1000 pcs of Bitcoin in your whatever wallet you are using. Bitcoin is gaining because there are new people incomng and they only know Bitcoin just like your before do you know altcoins when you started crypto?

what do you mean that "bitcoin does not solve any real life problems but only bankings"?dont you know how many lives has been helped out by bitcoin?and dont you think it wasnt a real life problemif your talking about the service offered or the product by other coin,well they are offering now because of the presence of bitcoin

I think what you say is wrong,
  because of the bitcoin that we can see some altcoin and this happens memnag because of the declining bitcoin so all altcoin also decreases beside that bitcoin has high potential so one day i sure will return as before.

I do not think so . Do you think how many people have the money to invest in bitcoin? alts is a good choice for beginners, and basically it promotes new ICO projects so why call it useless?

Are you sure Bitcoin making alts useless and bitcoin has a development? Didn't you notice that fundamentally speaking ETH and NEO was really good than Bitcoin that's why there are a lots of ICOs out there are partnering with both of them because their technology are really good and their smart contracts. Well all of us have a different way of thinking.

Bitcoin and any other altcoins are really different, it's no point in comparing them. Bitcoin suits for long-term investments only when the altcoins are suitable for daily trades and paying for something.

Well, when it comes to earning, we would not say they have not been very useful, but I would also say they have really been too reliant on bitcoin and with the fact that they respond to every movement of bitcoin and that makes it crazy, with the fact that they cannot stand on their own against fiat or otherwise makes holding them sometime useless and which is why the trend of them being pumped and dumped has become so rampant.

Yes, it is the way things are, so we have to live with it, understand it and use it to our advantage. Because the biggest concern is that bitcoin is highly established and most investors would rather prefer holding an established coin than a coin that obviously is just good enough for now for the profit. I really do not know why the market is like this for now, as every movement of alts are centered on bitcoin, but the thing is that as far as they make some of the long term holders some extra cash, no shit.

Over time, I believe those with products will stay relevant and we will be able to see some sustenance in their value while those who are basically useless will end up dead.

The presence of bitcoin does not render useless altoquin. Bitcoin and the main mass of altcoyins have completely different tasks. Bitcoin is a universal coin and is not able to perform those specific tasks that the tokens created during ICO perform.

Short term, Bitcoin will remain the most poplular Crypto, but over the course of the next 5-10 years, I see the market becoming very fragmented for the most part. THere will be many micro-marktets with their own currencies and any coin that can serve as a bridege between currencies should explode as the "Toll-Collector" currency

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Will bitcoin die is a different question than will bitcoin stay on top. Certainly, it has the strongest current community and the "its theirs to lose" ground in the market. But, it needs to keep up with innovation and demands. Being lazy, or too rigid in their design to innovate is the biggest danger. Just think about these few examples for precedence:

• Myspace had the same ground before Facebook stole it.
• Blockbuster video had the same spot before Netflix innovated themselves ahead of them.
• Barnes & Noble sat on top before Amazon blew past them.

BTC needs to continue to innovate and show trusted leader advantage. Otherwise there is plenty of room for something like Cardano or Litecoin (and many others) to come in and show their on top. Also, if a big country like China comes out with a currency that is backed by banks and fiat, its game over for any of these options as the free flow for money and spending will trump technological advantages.

Even bitcoin makes the alts useless, still bitcoin needs the alts. Bitcoin is not alone in the battle. There are alts that support the strength and domain of bitcointo altcoins. I do believe that alts will help bitcoin more popularity in everyday.

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It's true that Bitcoin is considered a mother of cryptos but it won't be a reason for alts being useless. In fact, altcoins are even better in term of technologies.
As an example, there is an Airdrop I'm taking part in for "DeepOnion coins", will soon get the mobile wallet and stealth address released soon.
Does Bitcoin offer one of them? I guess no ...

For no bitcoin never making altcoin useless because frankly bitcoin gives more opportunities to all altcoin like in there differences in value and price, since there's a lot of user of crypto are cannot afford to buy bitcoin, altcoin are develop but in a cheaper in price. Also many people are choose altcoin because even its cheaper but it is profitable, besides altcoin right now are become popular because of the other one that rises so high its value, so because of that it affect the to altcoin to become in demand.

Nothing needs to happen, things will happen because that is what the market decides to do, most altcoins are dependent on bitcoin because they are nothing without bitcoin, altcoins that have a strong team of developers and a good community move independently from bitcoin, they still follow it somewhat sometimes but that is because bitcoin is still by far the most used crypto so if they want to change that they need to get a bigger user base besides this will change in the future when more people begin to use other cryptocurrencies for their needs.

Bitcoin is not making the alts useless.. It is just hard for the altcoins to grab more attention than Bitcoin.. The most guys are selling their coins at bitcoin dips because they are scared of loosing all their money.

I think differently, I think altcoin will make Bitcoin useless in the future. Today, a number of altcoin was born, gaining a large market share in the digital currency market. The investors they are gradually turning over to holding other altcoins are not Bitcoin. I think future BTC prices will continue to fall. Because BTC is very competitive compared to other altcoin.

We all know this thing that both bitcoin and altcoins have got some very good feature and that it is useless to make a comparison in between either of them as they are entirely different form one another and none of them has anything to do with other coin. Altcoins are far better than that of bitcoin when you talk about day trading and bitcoins are the best at time you talk about long term investment of money.

I think it all the way around altcoin making btc useless.

If we compare the indicator of market capitalization, the ethereum capitalization is only half that of bitcoin. I think this is a good indicator. I think in the future altcoins will gradually catch up bitcoin in terms of market capitalization because ethereum and other coins offer more advanced technologies than bitcoin.

Altcoins is very important,in the world of cryptocurrency,and because of so many alternative coins,we become profitable in every campaign that  we joined,because there is a competition in the exchange market when the alternative coins is coming as a part in the digital currency system. Actually altcoins is the big competitor of bitcoin in the market thats why mostly investor want to gain more alternative coins rather than in bitcoin,because its less to buy,and sell it high.

Altcoins already make a worthy competition bitcoin, in the future it will be even better. Yes, now among the altcoins there is a real natural selection, many projects will disappear and open the way to more promising projects. This will make the industry healthier.

I think atls making bitcoin useless. Not today, because there are some big holders of bitcoins and they intresting for high price of bitcoin while they have it. when they will convert most of own btc to fiat bitcoin will die i guess.

And who is going to do that? Most long term holders of bitcoin do no have plans to cash out all their bitcoins they may cash out some to enjoy the benefits of being a whale but most people what they want is to wait for the day they can use their bitcoin directly without having to sell their bitcoin and if that happens the price of bitcoin will go up that will give the persons an incentive to use their coins directly, one of the reasons alts are so successful is because there is not much to do with your bitcoin and many decide to try their chances with alts once that no longer is the case the alt market could go down.

Altcoins will always be important and definitely will have a place in the cryptocurrency ecosystem as they serve their own functions in their separate ways and based on the project of each alt and the solution they provide, that is what would make them stay relevant even in the long run.

For now, it is going to be hard to even get to surface into limelight considering the dominance of the boss itself, but things will change. However, this is not a competition, and in the long run, either alts or the legacy coin; they will all be doing fine as long as they keep serving a purpose and solving problems which render shitcoins useless at the end.

No, Every alt has a market they are targeting and Bitcoin isn't big or good enough that it can handle all the markets by itself. Just cause theres Windows doesn't means that Linux shouldn't exist. They both serve their respective markets.

And that still makes them useless all the same. ;D The thing is that it will always be hard and it is not like they are not gaining any attention, but we all already know how the market has always been like considering that bitcoin have a huge effect generally on the market. Anyone selling coins now at dips are really not helping their own situations because they will end up losing badly anyway.

well, anyhow anyone wants to see it, the thing is that we cannot change one fact and that is one thing that no altcoin has been used in a large scale as much as bitcoin, so in one word, the devil you know is far better than the angel you do not know.

We may think some alts are fast, but how many transactions go through them in a day, also, we have to remember that in terms of trust in investment, bitcoin will still always gain ground which is why it is so easy for bitcoin to pull down the whole market with it.

I normally call this stories that touch the heart. It is impossible and it would take a whole lot for any altcoin to be able to beat that.

Altcoins, at least some will always have their place but bitcoin is already so established to the point that an altcoin will really just displace it easily without coming up with something that bitcoin cannot easily come up with and integrate into its own protocol.

Yes sure, people buying alts mainly just speculating to get more btc obviously. But i think there's still a room for alts to growing, like any cool system that's bitcoin not had like decred, dash etc.

Ha ha, bitcoin is not a great technology, it is symply the first cryptocurrency. There are a lot of much more advanced crypto like Ether, Waves and so on.

I thought differently, because the altcoin was born so much, they made Bitcoin useless. In the future, altcoin will grow stronger than Bitcoin, ETH, DASH, RIPPLE, LITECOIN ... etc. These potential coins will overtake BTC in the next few years, they will make the BTC become invalid on the market.

Maybe but for me altcoin are more important in promoting bitcoin. Thus, are the uses of altcoin. It will promote bitcoin indirectly. This will help bitcoin price movement since buying altcoins are sometimes also getting a way to buying bitcoin and trade with altcoin. And also most of the ICO are successful. They are already in the market and ready to be purchased. And those ICO also are having some good time wherein investors used to invest small amount and in return they make a lot profit in the near future. And those altcoins also came to a good project that are implemented and being realized. That is why if you wish tonm invest in an ICO make sure that its concept is good and formidable. Check also if the community has supported it. Just like YAYPROTO ICO project which promote decentralized money transfer. If you are an business doing business transactions online then you can have this project to be partnof your business in transactions. Since it is decentralized so i guess there would be low transaction fee. Indeed a good project. If you wish to learn more about the project visit the websitr with the link provided:

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I don't believe the statement because altcoins have their own market strategy on their marketing.
When Bitcoin drops, almost every altcoins are dropping as well but that doesn't mean that altcoins will become useless, it is just altcoins price value are being paired with Bitcoin, Ethereum or NEO but time will come that it will soon paired with other top altcoins so when that time comes, Bitcoin will no longer affect Altcoin price values to drop when Bitcoin drops.

Well, I think alts are filling gaps now and that BTC is going to be like the crypto-gold, so no, it's not making alts useless.

Bitcoin isn't the most important and the strongest Crypto in the market today.
Instead Ethereum, NEO, LiteCoin and other top altcoins are far way better than Bitcoin especially in terms of transaction speed.
Bitcoin is just the first of its kind but it does not mean it would always be the only Crypto that could lead the crypto market.

Altcoins aren't that useless because most of them have respective projects like the best Altcoin that I am holding right now.
Oyster Pearl PRL is the payment for anonymous storage in the tangle that users could upload and keep their files in the tangle safe and secure and no one could read their files except the owner because files are being chunked before they are being distributed in the multiple parts of the tangle.

You have a good thoughts about what you say but every coin have their uses not by their value but for what their purposes. Alts become useless because only bitcoin is the one coin that become popular but without altcoins there is no trading and without trading we have no other ways to earn bitcoin only by mining and investing by the used of real money.

Yes bitcoin has gained a lot of popularity over time because it has long been in existence as compare to other altcoin but that does  not mean it has made alt useless. The existence of alt made bitcoin face competition and bitcoin will try by all means to remain relevant than other. Alt made bitcoin better.

That's not true. Each coin contained a different function. Same as Iphone vs Samsung. Bitcoin better for you but for others the coins is more convenient.

really?bitcoin is not a great technology?if i know,when youre new here in crypto,you use to crave to have bitcoin lol,and now that you grownup here,ethereum and waves makes you flattering?what an attitude,,bitcoin will be on top for long and will kill many altcoins soon

Very true, lets accept the fact that even how many or how much altcoins that we keep but in the end it will be traded to Bitcoin to earn more fiat and that making Bitcoin price to become more strong in which in opposite altcoins will become useless after all. If the exchanges will accept altcoins to fiat directly then that will be the time that Bitcoin will slowly will top by the Altcoins.

I think this is true but it probably will not last long as this will add value to all altcoin.

But btc and alts have two drastically different purposes. With btc being way more expensive for one, so I wouldn't say that btc makes alts useless. It all depends on your requirements and what you're looking for.

I do not doubt that Bitcoin is making a big impact on the market. This can only happen in a moment when the bitcoin moves downward.
In my opinion, bitcoin is at the heart of the world community but it does indeed have some changes in the usability of altcoin.
Fairly speaking, some altcoin are making valuable changes when converting transaction volume / s faster and more efficiently than bitcoin.

Why even bring up a comparison when bitcoin stands alone and complete. The very reason for alts is that they implement varying alternatives and projects that are unique, experimentive and exploratory,  still seeking identity and existence.

I agree that Bitcoin makes altcoins useless, but in different kinda way. The majority of altcoins or even all of them are not independent. And not because of their nature or real dependence on Bitcoin, but because we make them dependent. That is the only reason why all the alts following Bitcoin when it downfalls. If everybody had understood that the majority of the altcoins are independent and self-efficient, these mass speculations concerning the future of Bitcoin wouldn't have affected other coins. And the market would have developed more stable and logically.

yeah whenever bitcoin is on the rise alts surfers, when bitcoin is going down alts surfers too, but when it is stable alts moons. that's shows the power of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is supporting alt coins,BTC will be fast in future but for small investmnet alt coin is best and in alt coins many feature is added which is not possible in bitcoin

Like master node, privacy feature and many other feature.

Bitcoin is helping alt coins grow

Yep, that’s right, it depends much  on the thought or demand of everyone. We all know that bitcoin is the prelude of cryptocurrency ,and actually it’s the foundation for the appearance of all the coin in crypto market. Moreover, it’s the oldest coin and it still keeps on developing, maybe it’s the most demand of people now but in the future, you know that we can’t say for sure anything previously. Maybe in the next some years, the number of people who uses bitcoin is not more than altcoin, definitely most people have a different defination in this market.

Altcoin is not useless perhaps their are altcoins that is very useful just like the bitcoin. People are very mindful and underestimate altcoins just because of the rankings and the value. But i assure to all of those who are using crypto, use the alt or other altcoins and you will know the real use of it.

I know that many altcoins that existed was aiming to be the next bitcoin and they claimed they are better one and that's are the real useless alts while those that don't compete with btc and focus on a specific category then they have worth in this market.

There are hundreds of altcoins out there, with more appearing out of nowhere every day. Now that even die-hard Bitcoin aficionados are realizing that Bitcoin itself has a number of technical issues, they are rapidly jumping ship to various altcoins that purport to solve the problems with Bitcoin.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I would think that most people who are invested in alts, especially alts outside the top 10, would be educated about cryptocurrency and realize that Bitcoin is an inferior product for almost all uses. Why would Bitcoin declining make its competitors less valuable? If anything, it should make them more valuable since Bitcoin is getting out of the way.

Alt prices are tied into Bitcoin via trading pairs.
Hence, when Bitcoin drops, so do all alts.
People don't just decide to sell all their alts at once when Bitcoin drops, but when Bitcoin drops (or bitcoin rises drastically), alt prices will always be red as a result.

Alts ARE going down, though. Bitcoin against USD down; altcoins against USD down.
If only Bitcoin was going down against USD, and altcoins were staying the same against USD, they'd be going up against BTC. That's not happening. They're staying the same against BTC.
As a matter of fact, most altcoins MIRROR EXACTLY the percentage gain and loss as Bitcoin. It's as if a bunch of bots are buying/selling from an index fund. Here are some charts that I put Bitcoin superimposed over the chart of ETH and NEO, respectively. Bitcoin in USD (Coinbase) is the gold line. The alts in USD (Bittrex) are the colored candles. The chart is in % mode, so it doesn't go by dollar values, just % gain/loss since the left side of the chart.

Altcoins now have a whole raft of uses, many are actually being used to back the financial or operational side of rising companies. The price of Bitcoin is certainly restricting the rise of most of the altcoins although when the decline stops this alts should also climb along with BTC.

   That's what I think. The value of bitcoin is that he the first, there is no economy in the bitcoin.
Alts typically represent a demanded project, which will be of interest to a large number of people and will solve certain tasks.
Therefore I think that violas have their value, bitcoin its own.
Their dependence will only appear on the exchange.

The cryptomarket is still young and the majority of coins has no real application. And those coins which are already applied still are widely not introduced in real economy. Therefore liquidity and capitalization - the most important indicators of stability and resistance to shocks in the cryptomarket. On these indicators only bitcoin always on the first place.

Bitcoin is currently have really big impact on situation of worth all the coins, so when he is going down - altcoins goes to, and altcoins have some impact on bitcoin, like if Ethereum goes up, as example, Bitcoin does some too.                     

we can not compare between btc & alts as they move in different flatforms, if they compare the bitcoin price that makes alt useless it is not entirely true because alts only need time to succeed. if btc is currently ruled because btc already has a market and has started well before alts. someday alts can definitely be useful and can be compare with btc.

yes you are right if the bitcoin price condition goes down it is certain altcoin prices will also drop so should not let bitcoin price down, but when the price goes down we can have the chance to buy as much bitcoin as we can. so take advantage of the opportunity.

Bitcoin is now highly manipulated by biggies. I do not know what it stands for now.

Thats completly not truth, bitcoin makes altcoins stronger cause it is the reason why so many people even come in cryptoworld, all knows bitcoin as main of that all            

Yes, altcoins follow bitcoin, but is this bad? When bitcoin grows, then almost all the altcoins grow. I think that in the future some altcoins can make a worthy competition to bitcoin, especially the high hopes I get from ethereum. 

Too many altcoins can not get the same capitalization as bitcoin, because they will always be dependent on the overall dynamics of the market.

It is necessary to understand that while the market is too young, and BTC in it is a peculiar model of behavior, which all imitate. It may change soon, but it is so.

It is necessary to understand that while the market is too young, and BTC in it is a peculiar model of behavior, which all imitate. It may change soon, but it is so.

Yes, so far, but bitcoin will not always be the main coin in the market. It will give way to another coin someday, but of course it will not happen in the next couple of years. At the moment we see how the parameter BTC Dominance gradually grows, it means that the funds from the altcoins flow into bitcoin.

In fact, there's nothing wrong with that. Who will be able to become an independent project and an alternative to BTC will become. Others will fall off. Natural selection...            

Perhaps, someone is meddling with the markets (for example by spoofing all major coins on major exchanges). This might possibly cause all the coins to fall in line and would explain why they are often in-line, but not always.

Of course not. At least you have options aside from doing bitcoin. Altcoin is good just like bitcoin. So there is nothing weong if you both of these two cryptocurrency.

As for me, you are very mistaken in this, the number of good Altcoins is increasing and soon they will become much more valuable than bitcoin, which just keeps on popularity. But the fact that the crypto currency needs to be developed further is a fact.

Bitcoin can continue to increase in price for a long time, however, in one day it can also fall to the level of depreciation. The more its cost, the more likely will be the development of such events. At the same time, altcoins, if viewed in general, so far only develop and gain strength and value. Altcoins, if not to consider some of them that will constantly leave the market, can no longer depreciate as bitcoin. They enter our life slowly and firmly. In general, altkoins are much more useful than bitcoin. Therefore, the altcoyins will develop and the future will follow.

Altcoin is more valuable in its application, and BTC's current field is not available in many places, but altcoin lacks many important functions.

At the moment I see that BTC Dominance is growing, this indicates an increase in the bitcoin value. Yes, altcoins carry in themselves new technologies that are necessary for the modern world of crypto currencies, therefore these new coins will win their place in the future world. If the coin does not develop, then this coin will disappear, this even applies to bitcoin.

Why ???
Im not sure about that.

Altcoin is alternatife coin, because BTC is to hard now to earn it.
And alternatife is Altcoin can something.
I has many profit with altcoin and trade to BTC or ETH.
So why Altcoin is useless ???

Bitcoin will be replaced by another currency in the future tho. As Bitcoin becomes more and more popular we will need more scalable coin to replace it.

I don't think it's making other alts useless. You can easliy see that many altcoins have diffrent properties and might be used in some ways BTC couldn't.

I understand the fact that bitcoin is indeed one of the most well-anticipated cryptocurrencies up to date, and sometimes sadly, it outshines some altcoins that prpposes amaxing projects and/ir good raises because bitcoin is crowdfundes and some of these altcoins aren't. Altcoins are necessary and beneficial to cryptocurrency's growth abd development since it allows investors and people alike to have variations.

I think that bitcoin will not do anything bad, of course many projects that are focused on the fact that they perform a similar function with bitcoin, then of course in this case they will definitely not be needed.

I don't believe the statement because altcoins have their own market strategy on their marketing.
When Bitcoin drops, almost every altcoins are dropping as well but that doesn't mean that altcoins will become useless, it is just altcoins price value are being paired with Bitcoin, Ethereum or NEO but time will come that it will soon paired with other top altcoins so when that time comes, Bitcoin will no longer affect Altcoin price values.

Most people buy alts only in order to speculate with them. The main purpose of these speculations is to increase the amount of bitcoins or dollars. Only few people believe in altcoin projects. It's a sad but real truth.

Bitcoins is still in its experimental and it will keep improving and have more room to change all of the bad features that it have now. I dont think Bitcoin is making alts useless because altcoins has different functions and it differs in how it works even if it is based on the blockchain.

Bitcoin is popular, so people know about altcoin others as well. And there is good altcoin as an investment too. And many people invest in ICO with altcoin, not bitcoin. In fact, altcoin also helps grow the crypto currency market. Although not as much bitcoin, but they support each other

Bitcoin was the first and continues to be the only coin with a characteristic of decentralization. All other so-called innovations, such as a shorter waiting time for transaction confirmation, protocols with proof of anything, Turing completeness, various signature generation algorithms, transaction request methods and even confidentiality are minor variants of the giant innovation that bitcoin represents.

The value of altcoin depends on bitcoin pretty much. I think we should wait for bitcoin and altcoin will be back, June is the time of bitcoin and altcoin back.

The majority of altcoins just tweak some unimportant parameters, or offer something that might be useful but not. If, for example, altcoin has the total amount of coins, that means each individual coin is worth less. If altcoin finds the block faster, it just means that the transaction requires confirmation for a similar level of security.

I don't know why more people don't think about altcois for storage of value as well. There is Ethereum for example. The technology is superior to Bitcoin. It's like highspeed internet vs. dial-up.

Altcoin isn't useless, possibly, their altcoins which are very useful, as well as bitcoin. People are very attentive and underestimate altcoins only because of rating and cost. But I assure all those who use cryptography, use alt or other altcoins, and you will know his real use.

Bitcoin just got the most fame because he was the first, he has no more advantages. Altcoins excel bitcoin in terms of technology and continue to evolve continuously. In addition, altcoins are more accessible, which makes them very attractive for investment.

Do you mean bitcoin has more disadvantages over advantages? Could you back read then. Anyway, making useless alts is somehow only a prediction. Isn't it? If bitcoin makes alts useless then probably altcoins didn't exist eversince during the first place it functions in crypto. I guess bitcoin won't do that because part of bitcoin are altcoins in crypto without this,it won't work as team in cryptocurrency so altcoins are not useless for bitcoin and it won't be making it useless.

In my opinion too early to conclude so. If bitcoin ATMs exist in many places it is a normal thing because bitcoin is a precursor. I feel lately that people's interest in bitcoin is reduced. There are some altcoins that provide unexpected profits. Looks like today, the profit is sought by most people.

I think that is not enough reason to make alts useless. As you see, not all alts only aims for a price of pump or dump but altcoins have some unique function that can barely replace bitcoin. And especially for me I would still prefer making trades or transactions of altcoins rather than bitcoin due first to its transaction charge and next altcoin has a good speed in sending and receiving functions compared to bitcoin.

Bitcoin is the first one to get the fame since it's the first cryptocurrency. But many investors are preferring to choose altcoins than the father of the crypto since they have more benefits and advantages from holding it than long term holds in Bitcoin.

For me in my very own opinion, I think that bitcoin is developing right now, since bitcoin is the oldest in the cryptocurrency there'll be no doubts that it will be the popular amongst alts, It is also a good thing that the devs are making changes as this will be a big help in maintaining that top spot bitcoin has, and lastly I think that if this continues alts won't completely be useless since competition is a must here, it's business and therefore business means competition, and I think that alts won't back down to bitcoin.

That is true

It's so easy to think that way because the relationship of Bitcoin with altcoins are usually inversely proportional. I say that because it's always so difficult to see that there is a chance for altcoins to do good in the market, especially if many of them are falling down to the point of no return. Even if that is true, we cannot group all the altcoins into one department that are destined to fall off the cliff. I say that because there are still some coins that are priced enough and can hold their ground in terms even in the face of a market that is falling apart. Having said, altcoins are what gives Bitcoin competition that, in turn, helps the market stay afloat.

Bitcoin it for long-term investment and altcoins are more for short-term trading, in that they can show both huge growth and a huge drop in a very short time !

the development of bitcoin is very fast and altcoin can not follow it but behind the development and popularity of bitcoin which continues to increase altcoin also continue to develop although lagging but the important thing is still growing and it proves that altcoin still useful and popular

All altcoins in 90% die after the end of ico so it is better to keep savings in tested coins

It's too early to talk about the popularity of bitcoin. More and more analysts say that promising and technological alts will replace bitcoin in the near future.

Bitcoin will never make alts useless because there will always be a way for alts to adopt those same platforms and services. Altcoins are forever vying for #1 and lets not forget the number of blockchain services that appear as tokens, yet compliment BTC by increasing utility.

Well, I think alts are filling gaps now and that BTC is going to be like the crypto-gold, so no, it's not making alts useless.

I don't think bitcoin is a proxy for the world, but I don't agree that it makes Altcoins useless. Most Altcoins can solve many problems. But bitcoin can't be solved. We cannot see who is useful or useless just from the change in price.

While it is true that a very high percentage of the alt coins are the same thing with just a few tweaks it is not true of all coins. There are several coins out there that have real solid use cases, for instance Phore. Not only does it make use of zero protocol, but it has a smart contract platform that allows decentralized applications to be created and ran on the Phore blockchain. Alt coins like these have real value and will not be rendered useless by bitcoin. Additionally, a lot of the alt coins that are pretty much just clones with a few minor tweaks are often used as hedges which is all thats needed to keep some of this crap alive lol.

Bitcoin is not making alts useless. There are already a lot of useless altcoins out there and they do not need the help of bitcoin to make them look useless. The prices are tied to bitcoin because trading pairs are made with bitcoin so if the amount of people buying bitcoin reduces then the amount of people buying other coins reduce too. Bitcoin is still better than all the altcoins out there.

If the BTC will evolve and the problems will be resolved, your statement could be very well true.
But in the same time there also is tokens which does not represent payment method but specific projects and this means that BTC cant get 100% of market and lets not forget the ETH and eth liked cryptos.

Yes bitcoin has gained a lot of popularity over time because it has long been in existence as compare to other altcoin but that does  not mean it has made alt useless. The existence of alt made bitcoin face competition and bitcoin will try by all means to remain relevant than other. Alt made bitcoin better.

Stop saying and comparing Bitcoin to Altcoin. We all know that Bitcoin was the first became popular to the crowd. But how can you sure that Altcoin is useless? It still has it uniqueness, in short it has different use compare to Bitcoin. Soon you will found out it's uniqueness.

Whatever bitcoin is or will become, it will not make alts useless because they have still their function for certain areas. While I agree that many alts if not most are simply useless for the majority of the people. However, everyone has the right to try his luck with his coin. Do you think bitcoin ATMs are an argument for bitcoin? In my opinion not, because we should try to get away from the fiat system and ATMs converting crypto coins to fiat will not assist it.

i see NO! ALT are independent from BTC it has its own value and purpose... some altcoin are now slowly climbing up to the ladder of success and use as payment method..

Yes you are right in your idea not all altcoin are independent to bitcoin there still a project that have its own purpose that why its created and introduced to the market but because of btc pair most altcoin are falling down after what happen to bitcoin.

If we talk about usability, maybe everyone agrees that bitcoin gets the biggest daily transaction. But a platform is built to fine-tune the issue of bitcoin, and the most obvious problem is time and cost. Maybe the time buck is not for a moment, but in the future bitcoin will just be a symbol instead, the coin chosen for the means of payment.

I think people accept bitcoin not because of its function, but because of its strong brand. Maybe this time it happens but if a transaction becomes a common thing, then the cheaper with the same function or even better, would be more widely used.

It is not useless nor no function because each altcoin has its own function amd usage. People wants to make everything easy they don't look after for the result. Bitcoin is different from altcoin they really differ from each other. Bitcoin has the higher value and bitcoin is known all over the world. It is difficult to have a competition in different areas.

I think you right, but there is some Alt function
- Make crypto world more known by world wide
- Make Bitcoin gain his popularity
- To shown that crypto not just bitcoin
- As a place to get job for some people
- As place to make money from investments.

But btc and alts have two drastically different purposes. With btc being way more expensive for one, so I wouldn't say that btc makes alts useless. It all depends on your requirements and what you're looking for.

I think bitcoin and altcoin have a good relationship so both will need each other and can not stand alone so if bitcoin grow then altcoin will also grow

I agree with what you say. If we see the development of Bitcoin so quickly, it seems as if making Alt coins is useless. But, Alt coin can affect the selling value of Bitcoin which is more expensive. The more Alt appears the more it takes bitcoin, because alt's exchange with BTC. Complete each other.

Instead Ethereum, NEO, LiteCoin and other top altcoins are far way better than Bitcoin especially in terms of transaction speed.
Bitcoin is just the first of its kind but it does not mean it would always be the only Crypto that could lead the crypto market.

I'm getting very bullish about decred.

I think this coin is an *actual* BTC competitor. Love to governance aspect to it and you have to love the dev team.

I'd be surprised if it didn't get close to $1,000 in the next few years.

Cool comment. Proxy of the world... Yes, I agree with you - Bitcoin is certainly great but the altcoins are also needed. Trading alts, you can make the better profit than trading BTC. Additionally, these coins are faster.

Thats completly not truth, bitcoin makes altcoins stronger cause it is the reason why so many people even come in cryptoworld, all knows bitcoin as main of that all   

I think it's not because bitcoin also requires altcoin and what would happen if altcoin without bitcoin because I know these two coins need each other because now that I know bitcoin is decreasing and altcoin is recovering and with recovery, I currently expect bitcoin also to rise like altcoin

It's not that much of a bad thing in that point of view. Bitcoin was designed and published before all the other coins were built so if they have a high price then the price of Bitcoin will increase.

Bitcoin was dessigned and published before all the other coins were built so if the have a high price then the price of Bitcoin will increass Bitcoin is gaining more popularity and a fast growth. The price is not a measure of a coin suecess so what I m referring to here is the number of ATMs, stores exenanges services and people acepting it. The enistence of all made bitcoin face competition.

Well everyone started to accept bitcoin as payment solution long ago but businesses only now see that its possibility to receive more if market goes up. I hold sibcoin and community already are working to popularize so some of the stores start using it as payment. But there isn't any stable coin so i think this idea could die out.

I'm sure it will change eventually if Bitcoin doesn't sort itself out.

I think you are actually wrong. Bitcoin has its uses, and many altcoins have very different use cases, tackling very different real-world problems. Maybe you can not say one better than others. But the level of investment in Bitcoin is huge and this cannot be matched by the ALtcoin project so far this

Bitcoin is the crypto currency and it is not an obstacle in the altcoins the use of altcoins are more than bitcoin now a days many new companies have used alts for their advertisement on social media and for investment as well.

But btc and alts have two drastically different purposes. With btc being way more expensive for one, so I wouldn't say that btc makes alts useless. It all depends on your requirements and what you're looking for.

Yes bitcoin has gained a lot of popularity over time because it has long been in existence as compare to other altcoin but that does  not mean it has made alt useless. The existence of alt made bitcoin face competition and bitcoin will try by all means to remain relevant than other. Alt made bitcoin better. :) :)

I feel the same because I have recently looked into the upgrades incoming for Bitcoin and they will resolve most of the problems it has, which is what alts try to solve. Now there may be some use case for a handful of alts but I think 95%+ will be useless after 2018 perhaps 2019. Not gonna hodl many alts after this run, if I do they will have a use case that Bitcoin 100% can't. :)

Market is still very immature. Give it a few years when the money flows from bitcoin to the altcoins. By that time there shouldn't much of correlation between BTC and altcoins. Think of Apple stocks affecting Geico or any other listed company.

Wow, recently heard that Facebook, Google, and Microsoft will all begin to completely ban ads and messages on cryptocurrencies. But one thing I don't quite understand is that the first company that proposed to ban these ads should be Twitter, but so far the ads on cryptocurrencies are still everywhere on Twitter. Therefore, I think these companies have only to issue such announcements because of some policy reasons. What do you think?

I do not see how bitcoin makes ALTs useless. They complement each other. It might be interesting to see how BTC will do in the future if more trading pairs getting added and BTC less necessary to buy ALTS.

Yes it is true that bitcoin is the most popular cryptocurrency, we cant help that since bitcoin is the first cryptocurrency ever. Some refers cryptocurrency as "bitcoin", even though bitcoin is that popular it didn't make alts useless but the complete opposite with bitcoin, cryptocurrency gets more popular and it helps alts to be known too.

All altcoins takes its reference from either bitcoin or ethereum and ethereum itself has its reference to bitcoin so the rise and fall of bitcoin always affects the prices of every altcoin in the blockchain technology.

Bitcoin just got the most fame because he was the first, he has no more advantages. Altcoins excel bitcoin in terms of technology and continue to evolve continuously. In addition, altcoins are more accessible, which makes them very attractive for investment.

I feel the same because I have recently looked into the upgrades incoming for Bitcoin and they will resolve most of the problems it has, which is what alts try to solve. Now there may be some use case for a handful of alts but I think 95%+ will be useless after 2018 perhaps 2019. Not gonna hodl many alts after this run, if I do they will have a use case that Bitcoin 100% can't. ;D

Yes bitcoin has gained a lot of popularity over time because it has long been in existence as compare to other altcoin but that does  not mean it has made alt useless. The existence of alt made bitcoin face competition and bitcoin will try by all means to remain relevant than other. Alt made bitcoin better.

The market for tokens is now driven by the existence of the ico project. As long as people can continue to invest in it. It will not disappear.

There is no doubt that bitcoin rightfully takes the leading position in the market, it is very popular, etc. , but I do not think that he makes useless all the altkoins, because among them there are very promising and useful projects.

I know that Bitcoin is still s really strong coin that the others cannot catch up with. The upgrades incoming for Bitcoin is actually good and they will resolve most of the problems it has, which is what altcoins try to solve. Lightning network will it make it a bit faster and a bit cheaper. There's a tackle of a lot more to blockchain technology than being a bit faster and a bit cheaper. However, the demand of diversify portfolio is still larger because risk could not be predicted, Hence, I think altcoins still have chance to develop. Investors just need to make sure the coin has a good development team and the more active, the better.

I think that they all related and support each others and this help to grow the crypto currency. They all are growing and developing, alts bring the new kind of investment and crowd funding so all is good I believe.

I think you are actually wrong. Bitcoin has its uses, and many altcoins have very different use cases, tackling very different real-world problems. Maybe you can not say one better than others. But the level of investment in Bitcoin is huge and this cannot be matched by the ALtcoin project so far this
 :) :) :)

I don't know why more people don't think about altcois for storage of value as well. There is Ethereum for example. The technology is superior to Bitcoin. It's like highspeed internet vs. dial-up.

Alts are making alts useless because there are so many of them in the market, bitcoin is not negatively affecting any of the alts. They do their own part and are used for whatever you want. Bitcoin was the first which is why it is growing so much, what do you expect it to do? stop growing and wait for the alts to catch up  ;D ;D An alt that will do well will do well, with or without bitcoin

Bitcoin was the first, he is the flagship of the market. But at the same time, many altcoins are better than him in terms of speed of transactions. Many of the altcoins are really more useful than bitcoin. This can affect the future of coins, and the BTC will no longer be the first

Bitcoin doesn't make altcoins useless because some altcoins are very useful and helpful especially to those people who didn't do investment. We knows that bitcoins is the first who've listed in the market but doesn't really means that altcoins will no longer to used it because many people used it to earn money even though some of these are scam but some of these are legit too depends on how you choose a good altcoins and ofcourse by participating in bounty program.

No..because bitcoin and altcoin is usefull in defferent ways..you can not say one better than others..
altcoin is usefull and helpfull in investment..Altcoins can solve also many problems..we all know that bitcoins is the first listed in the market but it doesn't means that altcoins will no longer..the Bitcoin community is expanding every day, And the altcoin is adopt to those same platforms and services..And the Bitcoin for a long time will remain the most expensive coin...There for Bitcoin not making a useless in altcoin..

sounds like you are always make comparison of Altcoins to Bitcoin, Bitcoin only affect the price of them but not the growth, imagine how ETH grow it is an example that any coin can just grow if the project team will push and push their limit or limitation in achieving growth, don't focus too much on how to make the altcoin increase its price but also increase its function.

Even in this way we did not put the Bitcoin into an argrement usually of these that are called ALtcoins are not used at all and for me it is sad to imagine that little people. because they are awake when it comes to the day and they see a Altcoin hidden and worth close to Zero. The level of investment in Bitcoin is huge and can not be a rival any of ALtcoin projects today.

It isn't making any altcoins useless. Altcoins are valuable by their own right and they have proved that they are just as valuable as bitcoin and they are here to stay so we should all stop worrying about them. Be patient and you will see the good things that will happen to the altcoins in the coming years, they will do very well

Yes, it is always possible. Problems can consist of competitors who also want to make their crypto currency into circulation, so it is difficult.

The situation is solved by itself. Let those are worried, who don't know about the cryptocurrency and don't invest their money in it. In the end, every day everything develops at an insane pace and can't be left behind.

I agree with you, currently Bitcoin and altcoin are growing independently and do not affect too much. The cryptocurrency market is relatively small, so it is susceptible to being manipulated by the investor's price action, so the coin will be prone to manipulation. Each coin has its own development in the direction of the DEV team and the community investment.

I agree a lot with this.. but not because of bitcoin on it's self, alts are becoming useless because of bitcoin ups and downs, that is the most important reason of why almost all the altcoins are going down at the moment

My thought are following: bitcoin got were he is only because of his popularity. Remember the hype of 2017 year.
TV was talking only about bitcoin, and nobody ever told about any other growth recordsmans that made 10 x`s. Bitcoin was first but it doesn't mean it will last first forever. There can be other strong players as well.

No, I dont believe bitcoin will make alts useless. Maybe you are actually referring to it impeding the price invrease in alts? That would be different than making them useless. As ive seen mentioned already, there are soooo many alts with real USEFUL application, not just a money alternative or substitute like bitcoin. If price depends on demand then the team behind the project just needs to follow through with the initial idea and for it to work and again, be useful so that people will want/demand it. Dont see why alts couldnt grow like bitcoin given time for people to learn about them first and find out they want to use it.

There are many altcoins out there that are offering a unique use case, technology or raison d'etre that's decidedly different from Bitcoin's.

Not only that but the core developers of bitcoin made some strategic mistakes, perhaps under pressure by the banking industry and government, and now even for the original purposes of Bitcoin, some contenders are doing better like BCH outperforming as a Medium of Exchange, etc...

That's not true. Each coin contained a different function. Same as Iphone vs Samsung. Bitcoin better for you but for others the coins is more convenient.

I think that for the time being the market is developing, and the BTC in it is the flagship. But this may change in the future, as many altcoins are very popular and in demand in different areas. Also, the speed of transactions of some altcoins is much faster

I wouldn't say that is 100% accurate, Bitcoin does dominate the market and as such has an effect on all of the alts as well. However individual coins can still preform independently and react to a big exchange listing or a project milestone. Patience is ket at the moment.

Because theres a lot of people also that they know only is bitcoin. In other words for people become aware on cryptocurrency many merchants uses bitcoin as front of cryptocurrency but they will realized if they study cryptocurrency that there is better than bitcoin when it comes in fast transaction, minimal fees and etc and this can bring them to know other coin or altcoins.

bitcoin has very small possibilities like many alto's so that he never makes them useless, useless, they can only do themselves

I believe that every altcoin has different ways to help people and I am sure that the altcoin will make people life easy and simple. altcoin and bitcoin are helping each other and will help people also although altcoin depends on bitcoin price movements. people still attract to bitcoin because of the price is expensive and with bitcoin, people believe that they can make a lot of money. and the present of altcoin will help people to gain more bitcoin if they can do many ways to earn more bitcoin. and until now, bitcoin still popular than altcoin because altcoin itself still undervalued and cannot reach the highest price and if we compare with bitcoin, the altcoin is still behind the bitcoin.

Theoretically, such an option was possible. But at the moment I see that everything is going the other way around. Now bitcoin is being forced out from all fields of application, it seems to me that bitcoin has become an ordinary coin, there is nothing special about it.

BTC is an intermediate of altcoin, so it can not make altcoin useless

I can agree on this in terms of the price. When BTC drops, altcoin follows. But if the coin is being used and has a wide adoption, I think it will survive. But it should be paired to fiat so its value will not be affected by btc

I do not think that. Bitcoin has its own specialties and altcoin has its own unique utility. That makes the crypto market richer and more diverse. Of course, a product wants to achieve value, it must create value to use and meet the needs of users in practice. And I think altcoin is doing well. Statistics on cmc always show the most concrete evidence.

Why bitcoin makes altcoin useless because now the bitcoin is decreasing and altcoin decreases, and what I know is that altcoin always follows the movement of bitcoin, and for bitcoin makes altcoin useless it is not possible because bitcoin also requires altcoin

Yes, Bitcoin will make Altcoins useless as currency for spending but in talking of investment i say no. This is because Bitcoin was not usually use for spending due to not all establishments will accept Bitcoin but in talking of investments, Altcoins have already gained reputation and lot of ICO are become successful because their investment gained so much earnings and that is why many new ICO are keep coming in the market to follow the path of these successful Altcoins.

I thus think that by having a altcoin then it can supplement the deficiency of the bitcoin. Particularly in terms of the market. Altcoin is an alternative for those of us who want to invest in crypto, if it hasn't been able to invest in bitcoin, then can investments in altcoin first. Because the number of bitcoin is also very limited. So, crypto provides an opportunity for us to remain able to invest through altcoin. So according to my altcoin and that bitcoin complement each other.

I seem to have different opinions. with the existence of the bitcoin makes growing altcoin this is because it can be used as motivation to achieve the equality of prices. and at this moment the bitcoin still gives its effects on the altcoin included in the price. When the price goes up then altcoin follow and vice versa. I agree if this all makes diversity in cryptocurrency. Let them evolve by itself and reaches its peak. This seems better.

That is not true. Bitcoin and altcoins have their own functions and advantages. Bitcoin is indeed the first coin to appear in crypto, but crypto does not just provide bitcoin for its communities to invest. Crypto provides facilities in the form of many coins in altcoins that can be an alternative to make an investment. Altcoins has a great use for its community, altcoins lighten the burden of the community to be able to invest in coins that are cheap but also with a qualified specification.

This statement may be true. I really think that Bitcoin really influences the altcoin presence, existence, and also price or value. We know that the price of the altcoin really depends on the bitcoin. we can see from the progress o the market. Here, however, actually, BTC and altcoins can support each other because their value is influencing base don the society and community utility.

Yes that's true. Major broadcast media and webs are presenting crypto related news on Bitcoin only as it's the main coin, but in fact there some altcoins which are affects the crypto market and has gain co-operates with several popular companies. But these altcoins fame seems to be just the follower Bitcoin only, so it all becomes less meaningful.

Your reasoning is wrong. Bitcoin and even a few altcoyins can not render useless all the altkoins. Bitcoin in general is just a coin for performing the function of money. At the same time, tokens are created to perform specific functions, which bitcoin is simply not able to perform. Therefore every coin and token finds its niche in our life. To worry about the uselessness of such coins and tokens is not worth it: if they turn out to be useless, then the crypto-currency market will simply throw them away and they will depreciate.
In addition, it can not be said that bitcoin is constantly gaining popularity. For the last six months, he just lost her decently. It is no accident that in China, ranked bitcoin took only thirteenth place.

Yes, I agree with your point. The numbers always prove the value of altcoin is needed and is supported and trusted by users and investors. The market capitalization of alcoin is diversified and flexible. In addition, it is gradually bringing balance from the user base. This shows that the role of altcoin is very positive and plays a huge role in the success of the blockchain industry.

On some level, you're right. Bitcoin will continue to gain popularity. Bitcoin rather refers to the cryptocurrency, which can survive for a very long time, but if there are altcoins that are better in terms of reliability, speed and cost of transactions, then Bitcoin will move away.

It is just that because of bitcoins popularity, altcoins tend to be treated as useless because people will most likely sell their altcoins to bitcoin :)

I belive and dream some day Bitcoin make 90% alts useless and take their volume but it’s still too difficult to make any protocol changes in btc.

I think that most of the altcoins only really have a practical purpose: to generate a lot of money for their developers, because the current boom in the market of cryptos is only a reflection of the avidity of many people to get on the train that promises to take them to the promised land of El Dorado. But I am convinced that as soon as this frenzy passes, very few coins will survive as the great champions of the market, and among them will always be the bitcoin.

ETH is more useful than BTC

Bitcoin is never going to kill altcoins.
In fact, altcoins are never going to disappear because they are like the bitcoin 2.0, they are much more improved.

Bitcoin maybe popular but i think altcoins are more useful because alts have a different usage while bitcoins main purpose is only for a currency usage .

all kinds of alts have a different service that can be able to serve every human kind with the aid of blockchain technology. Alts are also verry suitable for trading or investing purposes because they are a hell more cheaper than bitcoins.

that is only a few reasons why i can say that alts are far more better than a bitcoin.

not all tokens or coins like that, many coin that have platfrom and good development until now. altcoin that will survive and good for holding in future is  altcoin that be able to continue to innovate and develop and has a great purpose.

Why do you want to volumize bitcoin with altcoin to be useless? I think altcoin also helps the cryptocurrency worthy and besides new investors can have an option to buy cheaper one. If ever the investor wants to invest in crypto they won't get too stressed because of the volatility of bitcoin. We know the fact that it has random cases why bitcoins falls and with so much unpredictable matters. So hoping that bitcoin won't make altcoins useless.

This simply means that bitcoin is still king. Im not saying that other alts are of no use or less useful than bitcoin. It is still and always the first crypto, so as to say, the alts that can last long are those that have proven itself useful, have real use case and active development team and strong community backing it up.

Bitcoin can not have other features of altcoin. Because bitcoin has been used for a long time. when new cryptop forms. So pricing is dependent on bitcoin. I believe in the future. Some altcoins will develop over bitcoin. wait for it

But btc and alts have two drastically different purposes. With btc being way more expensive for one, so I wouldn't say that btc makes alts useless. It all depends on your requirements and what you're looking for.

Bitcoin is the leading and pioneer cryptocurrency so people trust in it more than any altcoin. But I think some altcoins will still be here and surviving in some years time.

Of course other altcoins will have a good future. Bitcoin is just the first crypto currency, but altcoins have much more advanced technology and this will make a difference in the future. Someday bitcoin will lose first place.

Altcoins are still having a good time, making users happy with their uses. Personally I prefer to transact via Litecoin, Dashcoin. Very recently, I transacted via Digibyte, and believe me, it was super fast and cheap if compared to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is the first currency and the primary one, people easily get Bitcoin, which is then converted to altcoins or investment or transacting purpose. I don't think Bitcoin could ever make altcoins useless, not taking the various ICOs into account though. ICOs nowadays are completely different with various motives, so comparing new altcoins, I don't have any answer or feelings right now, that's speculative.

Most ICOs are useless and people will forget about these projects in the future, but I believe that in the future there will be a project that will give a powerful impetus to the development of the entire crypto currency industry.

when bitcoin grows and reaches 20,000 dollars - altcoins will cost several times more than now!

Even if we don't put Bitcoin into the arguement most of these so called ALtcoins are useless and I pity some people because they will wake up one day and see that they Altcoin stash worth close to Zero. The level of investment in Bitcoin is so big and this can't be rival by any ALtcoin projects so far

But btc and alts have two drastically different purposes. With btc being way more expensive for one, so I wouldn't say that btc makes alts useless. It all depends on your requirements and what you're looking for.

In fact, some altcoins can be very useful but not when they do not become in the level of grandfather bitkin.It's like equating for example pineapple with an airplane or chicken with a tank.Yet every coin and token is yours for our earnings!

not useful if Altcoins is not open for Bitcoin. because Bitcoin itself is the parent of all Altcoins, they (Altcoins) learn all of its networks from Bitcoin.

just look now, where Bitcoin go up then Altcoins go up and Bitcoin then Altcoins down. it's a sign of his Bitcoin mains of all Altcoins.

I disagree with you on this point. It is not that Bitcoin makes other tokens worthless, but that merchants that produce these tokens do not make their tokens valuable, because these merchants have not paid any price for the tokens. For example, let it be applied in life, even if you can only buy a chewing gum! I think this is the fundamental reason!

I thought differently, because the altcoin was born so much, they made Bitcoin useless. In the future, altcoin will grow stronger than Bitcoin, ETH, DASH, RIPPLE, LITECOIN ... etc. These potential coins will overtake BTC in the next few years, they will make the BTC become invalid on the market.