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The first of our payment changes is now live. More announcements coming soon.

TradeHill now supports deposits and withdrawals of funds via Paxum. To learn more about Paxum and setup an account go to www.Paxum.com (http://www.Paxum.com).

Currencies Supported Include:
- US Dollar
- Canadian Dollar
- Euro

Depositing funds to TradeHill is as simple as initiating an internal funds transfer on Paxum’s website. Fees are extremely low: : 25 cents on a deposit to TradeHill and $1.00 upon a withdrawal from TradeHIll. The $1.00 fee will be waived for the first month.

You may fund your Paxum account using:
- Internal Transfer from another Paxum Account Holder
- ACH Transfer from your bank account
- Wire transfer from your bank account
- Physically mailed money order
- Physically mailed check

Paxum also allows for some interesting ways to spend your TradeHill funds including ATM and debit cards.

We’re happy to be working closely with Paxum and look forward to continuing to provide our customers with reliable, trustworthy methods to deposit and withdrawal funds with TradeHill.

What's the average time it takes for a deposit to clear?  I would gladly switch if they could beat the 3 business days it takes dwolla.  Heck, I might switch anyway since dwolla seems to be playing fast and loose.

As quick as an ACH can get in. They seem to be faster processing it on their end than Dwolla from what I've heard but will always be limited by the banks. If you're sending a large amount then you can justify the $50 wire fee and get your funds in the same day most likely.

They also except checks / money orders and provide you with a debit card you can use at an ATM etc.
At the moment it's being manually approved but we will tie in to the API soon which will allow you to put a withdraw in on TradeHill and then walk to a nearby ATM and withdraw cash. Or pay using your debit card.

Jered

How are Paxum different to Dwolla?

Paxum is a great service, I use them for about 9 month on some occasions (when it's easier for a client to pay through them for example)
They are very responsive and have representatives on other boards, so if it gets traction here i'm sure they will be happy to handle questions on this board as well.

Only downside for me personally, is that they are based in Canada and EFTs/ACHs travel realistically speaking 5-7 business days from US, wires a bit less.  Loading and unloading funds have their own fees depending on a method used.

Payments inside the system are instant and relatively cheap. Different withdraw methods and they have their own debit atm card for those wanting it, merchant API available.

Thumbs up TH!

Awesome I have been waiting for this.

What will Paxum do when criminals start using phished bank accounts to ACH funds to Paxum and then onto TradeHill to buy Bitcoin with stolen money? Will Paxum eat the loss or will they start pulling funds out of TradeHill's account as Dwolla did?

Yeah, so is Dwolla.

Am I reading this right? It costs $50 to transfer funds to/from my bank to Paxum?  That's a deal killer.

Good news for Canadians! I look forward to using Tradehill as an alternative to Cavirtex! :)

They've confirmed with us that they have better fraud protection methods in place and this won't be a problem. If they are defrauded they won't pass it on to TradeHill.

Of course Dwolla told us this as well but Paxum has been in business a lot longer, done a lot more volume and faced a lot more fraud in the past and remained strong.


That's for a wire. ACH is $5

Jered

It looks like verified accounts require you to send them a scanned photo ID


https://www.paxum.com/payment/faq.php?view=views/faq.xsl

Ok, so it looks like you can get money in for $5.00 by sending them a check.

You get money out for $5.00 by ACH.

Do you need the prepaid Mastercard ($45 a year) to use the ATM?  I assume so.  Then you can get money out via ATM for $2.00

Some one from Admins please whitelist user PaxumChris  - I can confirm its Paxum's rep, ready to address questions that community may have.

What happened to SEPA?  :'(

Hello Everyone ,

I thought i'd register here to address some of the concerns that some of you may have.


I am not too familiar with Dwolla and how they worked so I will not try to attempt to explain how we differ from them. I will tell you why people have decided to use our service.
We provide you INSTANT access to your money with some of the lowest fee's within our industry. You are able to withdraw your money instantly using our mastercard that we send you any ATM's world wide. You are also able to use the card any point of sale locations aswell. Other withdraw methods include EFT(ACH) Wire & Check but most of our clients really enjoy having INSTANT access to their funds via atm without having to wait.



Yes to withdraw from the ATM machine you would need the mastercard and that does indeed have a $45.00 yearly fee. You are able to request the mastercard once you verify your account with us. You do not need to have any money in your account to request the card. Your account will just show a negative balance and will adjust once you start receiving funds into your account.


You will find that fee to be pretty average with setups like ours. An alternative to Wiring in money would be ACH or check and those are cheaper alternatives.
Good question. We take fraud VERY serious. No one will be able to wire or ach us ANY money until we are 100% positive of their identity. Due to the high amount of fraud that is involved with ACH reversals any users who want to go this route for funding or withdrawing funds is expected to take further verification process steps that our verification team. We take fraud and account verification VERY serious. We play by all the rules that have been set by mastercard and even some of our rules to insure account safety and low fraud rates.

Regarding reversals - here is the exert from our terms of service regarding this.

(e) User acknowledges and accepts that in case of any Transaction disputes, Paxum presumes that all Transactions by User are authorized by and are the liability of the User;
(g) User agrees that all Transactions initiated are final and not reversible;
(i) User agrees that any disputes that arise between Users are not the responsibility of Paxum;


If anyone has any more questions regarding our service take a look at www.paxum.com - we outline everything pretty clearly regarding fee's and account limits. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up at chris@paxum.com and I'll get back to you.

I'll try to keep an eye on this thread aswell :)

Regards
Chris

I second that! :'(

+1

Hey PaxumChris,
   If I deposit today in my account, in the US, how long should I expect to wait before it's credited in my Paxum account?

Forget Paxum!  When will you accept Epassport? :P

roughly 7 business day +/- a day

Oh Lordy - i cant escape that here either  8)

That doesn't answer the biggest question (and your full terms don't seem to either): If I receive a payment through Paxum, under what circumstances, if any, will Paxum want me to give them back the money? In other words, what happens to the recipient(s) if the transaction into Paxum is reversed?

If Joe puts $1,500 into Paxum and then sends $1,500 to Jeff, and then Joe reverses the $1,500 payment to Paxum (claiming fraud or whatever), is that considered one of the "disputes that arise between Users" that Paxum takes no responsibility for? Or does Jeff keep the money and the dispute is between Joe and Paxum (since Joe breached rule 'e' above)?

I get that you take greater authentication steps than Dwolla does and that there should therefore be less fraud. But the big question is still -- ultimately, if there is fraud or alleged fraud (and no wrongdoing on the part of the recipient), who eats the cost?

The ONLY time we will take funds from your account that you received from someone is if it is flat our blatant fraud on your end. If the user who sent you money is able to do an chargeback on the ACH they sent us that is on us.

The steps to get approved for ACH and then to request and ACH provides enough paper trail/proof that the account owner authorized the ACH so a charge back is VERY unlikely to take place and if it does it will more than likely get denied.

When we first had ACH we felt the same fraud that most do with ACH but we quickly worked to put steps in place to limit fraud attempts :)


Joe Blow will not be able to sign up for an account photoshop an ID and request and ACH. It just wont happen :-) If we feel their is ANYTHING fishy going on I'll request you take a picture holding your ID smiling pretty for me :) We are that serious about fraud protection.


Hope that clears it up sum :)

Awesome. So it sounds like TradeHill has nothing to worry about. But if anyone else is thinking "cool, a system where I can get payments with no chargebacks so my scam is good to go", they're going to get an unpleasant surprise.

Scammers tend to target systems that have weak verification systems. We offer a prepaid mastercard to our account holders therefore we have pretty strict policy we have to follow :)

Hi Chris,

I don't find anything on your site about Canadian deposits.  Can you accept any type of fund transfer from Canadian banks other than a bank wire (which might as well go directly to the exchange)?

Just to clarify with the spelling corrected, is your statement:


And does this actually mean that once funds are sent to Jack there is no way possible that those funds will be taken back from Jack ever, period, end of story, regardless of fraud on the sender side? With the exception of course if Jack was part of a/the fraud.

I just want to be clear on this because I sense many folks believed this to be the case with Dwolla and obviously were quite surprised when it was not.

It does make sense to me that this is indeed possible to guarantee with additional tx charges and extreme verification methods.

+1 to Paxum if this is their position.

The loading types we offer are ACH , Wire , Check & Money Order currently. By default all ACH and Wire funds are sent to our Belize bank so you do not send to a canadian bank.

Also you can NOT wire/ach money directly to another account holder. The money must be sent to your verified account from the banking information matching your account

Chris

Yes that is our stance. If we are screwed over by someone we do not go after an innocent party.

Sounds like you guys have the ACH thing (which I heard of for the first time several days ago) figured out somehow.   But also that you know something about the business.  So, a quick question:

Could one:

 1) limit ACH transfers in to, say, $1000

 2) specify a charge for an ACH reversal fee of $1000 or less at your digression?

That seems like it would be a pretty bullet-proof way to avoid this type of fraud and also allow legitimate reversals if there are not pesky banking regulations which would interfere with the strategy (and I suspect that there are.)

The cool thing would of course be that people who were not doing reversals would be un-impacted and not (necessarily) forced cover the risk as there should be none.

I'm sure we could do something like that on our end but currently we do not see the need as to our current steps have pretty much stopped alot of the fraud

Chris

From what I can tell they've been in business about 3 months longer than Dwolla - Dwolla launched December 1st 2010 and I can't find any reference to Paxum older than September 2010 (their Alexa stats (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/paxum.com) seem to pretty much confirm this). The company registration and website registration date to 2007 but they haven't been doing anything during that time that I can spot.

Paxum Inc was formed in 2007. We became active in 2010. You can not start a company like this over night - within a few weeks - or even months. Paxum was worked on for years going back and forth with banks and mastercard and getting everything correct.

I'm going to give Paxum and Tradehill a shot, even if the transfer time to get money to them is a bit long for a U.S. resident.  Let's see how they do this stuff. :-)

Wrd, everybody on GFY is all up ons Paxums nuts, so I might as well give them a try.

+1

so, for euro countries the only deposit option is wire transfer to paxum for 50$?
yay, tradehill!

Hi,

I would also like to highlight that even though we believe Paxum to be a good payment option, we will definitely continue auditing and investigating any anomolies we find. We uncovered the Dwolla fraud and will continue with such diligence.

Thanks,
Adam

Hi Sukrim and Nmat,

We sent an email to our Euro clients outlining the issues encountered with the account we were using.

Sit tight, we have another account locked and loaded and just about ready to go.

Excuse the delay - let us make it up to you with 0.3% trading for a month!

Thanks,
Adam

I didn't get the email yet, but thanks a lot! That's really generous :) Will everyone get this discount, or just the two of us?  ;D

Were are offering it to all the Euro folks who got delayed on transfers. PM me your TH account info and I will make the changes.

Thanks!
Adam

Epassporte ??? Are you serious or joking around last I checked epassporte was out of business ?

I am impressed. You can expect to see me sign up very soon. I pray you keep your word.

Pretty sure Mousepotato was joking. Epass is long gone

Could you tell us a little bit more about your company? Who are the owners/shareholders? How many people of staff do you have? Volume of business? Main banks you're working with? Main customers?

+1

Note to self: avoid possible dwolla/mtgox musical chairs bank run by moving to Paxum/Tradehill ASAP.

Jered, I would be VERY CAREFUL with Paxum, and their claims that will not charge back. People that have been in the e-currency industry might remember the epassporte scam. Paxum is ran by Christopher Mallick. Run a search on google to learn more about Paxum / Mallick.

Here is something to get you started. Every serious e-currency exchanger I know run away from Paxum because of chargebacks and reverts.

http://christophermallickscam.com/

And the reason he made that joke is that Paxum is ran by the same scammer than epassporte.

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Jered, I would be VERY CAREFUL with Paxum, and their claims that will not charge back. People that have been in the e-currency industry might remember the epassporte scam. Paxum is ran by Christopher Mallick. Run a search on google and run more about Paxum / Mallick.

Here is something to get you started. Every serious e-currency exchanger I know run away from Paxum because of chargebacks and reverts.

http://christophermallickscam.com/

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I'm not going to lie, I am a little hesitant scanning my ID and sending all this information to Paxum. I understand its for security, but I don't like what I'm hearing.  Please advise Jered/ Adam.  I love TradeHill and support you guys 100% which is why Dwolla has disappeared in my book!

I think it's time for me to just sit and watch for a while.

Here is a VERY insightful post about Paxum by Shane (nanaimogold) a true veteran in the industry. It is interesting to note what he has to say regarding PAXUM choice of their call center location:

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322516

Here are a collection of the sheer number of pages about started by epassporte customers that lost their money:

http://chris-mallick.org/
http://christophermallick.blogspot.com/
http://christophermallickscam.com/
http://www.chrismallickscam.net/
http://www.whoscammedyou.com/scams/1909/profile.public.cfm?userID=1695
http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=2165
http://www.epassporte.info/2010/10/on-swindler-christopher-mallick.html
http://epassportescam.com/category/employees-associates/christopher-mallick-chris-mallick/

What's the connection between Mallick and Paxum?

Ok. So here is what I have gather from reading that link:

Malick is a known scammer (epassport fiasco).

Now, you claim that Paxum is run by the same Malick. I have read 10 out of the 15 pages of the thread, please point me to a link if there is anything interesting after that because all Ive seen is speculation. What I have gather from the thread:

User nanaimogold says that he expects it to be owned by Malick, the scammer (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4235816&postcount=2):


Nanaimogold also says (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4235966&postcount=4):


But then he backs down (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4237089&postcount=15):


Now a Paxum rep appears and denies any relation with Malick: (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4241663&postcount=16)


It seems confirmed that Paxum has nothing to do with Malick, the scammer, (nanaigold stops the accusation), but the Paxum rep admits that a guy employed previously in epassaporte worked with them for two weeks only (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4247053&postcount=33):


This is all that is relevant on the first 10 pages. Nanaimogold does not provide any more prove and in fact does not acuse Paxum of bein owned by the scammer any more.


I have no relation with any of the companies involved here. That said, its a bit random that just after the MtGox/AurumXchange deal (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30982.0), AurumXchange comes here to bad mouth the new Trade Hill partner. Hopefully you are doing with the best of intentions.

All I want to say is that if you are doing this to help the Bitcoin economy avoid another fiasco, thank you. But if this turns out to be one or various companies using bad tactics and spreading FUD and FEAR to damage competitors at the expense of the reputation of the Bitcoin economy, I promise you that I will use the little reputation I might have gather in this forums to spread the word so people dont use your services.

EDIT: There has been some serious "pr work" in the forums lately by interested parties, trying to appear as normal users. All this has to stop.

Wasn't Octav Moise the guy behind the 'Vimax' (penis enlargement patch) affiliate program that littered the Internet with web pages using the words "Vimax" and "scam" prominently so that people searching for "is vimax a scam" would find hundreds of pages that said it wasn't?

This keeps getting better and better...

Hey Jered, I have a suggestion. Work it out with Dwolla. Settle with them and get them to work with you.
If I cannot deposit and get my funds in sooner than 3 business days I will go to Mt Gox or elsewhere. I will not pay $5000 to do a wire transfer or deal with a 7 day wait period to work with you, even though I prefer to. If I were you, I would accept deposits from trusted traders and issue some sort of trusted trader policy or something. I had funds in dwolla that just went through, and instead of transferring them back to my account and then to Paxum, I just went to Mt Gox because less wait time. I want my bitcoins and I want them now!

Just sayin'

I wish you could do this.

Lulz...  citizen investigation at best!

Jered my friend. Forget Paxum, they will throw you under the bus as soon as the USA Government puts any type of pressure plus I doubt the heaviness of their wallet.

Please, I know you already deal with liberty reserve but you need to accept Deposits and Withdrawals ONLY via Liberty Reserve. Not treat it as a separate currency as you do right now.

In short, if you only accept Liberty Reserve, you will never suffer from these pains you are suffering now. I offered in the past my help and the offer stays in place...let me know.

Maria.

How can you expect them to "work it out" with someone who pretends to be out of the office when TH calls? It sounds like they did their best to work it out for several weeks. They were given the run around after discovering their account statements had been fraudulently altered. "Working it out" doesn't seem like much of an option.

What a bag of sh*t is this guy...

Dwolla can simply wait only one thing - the lawsuit - and this will be the end for Dwolla. The 'no alternative' is simply amusingly ridiculous. There are 100s of dwollas out there waiting to feasibly steal their customers money by transferring all their business risk onto their customers. The lifespan of such companies is 3-4 years on average.

Can you please bring prove that Paxum is Mallick, because until now you have not prove anything. Pleople here will thank you the information.

PaxumCHRIS sure got quiet...

I also tend to be quiet while I sleep.

Check aswell. Paxum is very aggressive with adding new features and funding options.

We encourage everyone to do the same aswell. Sorry after staying up until 1am helping some new bitcoin clients I went to sleep. Woke up at 8am and got my kid some breakfast and its 9am and i'm here now ;)

Let me address a few things right now :

Paxum is in NO WAY affiliates with Child Mallick. The only thing similar to us is that my name happens to be chris - but not chris mallick and we are in the same industry.

Now to address who owns Paxum : Yes Octav Moise does own paxum.

Our connection with Vimax: Yes it is owned by Octav. Years ago some idiot joined our affiliate program and put our ad in his spyware program that dns hijacked people. Anyone who click on that ad never got redirected to our site. I spent countless hours on the phone with people and posting on message boards helping people remove that spyware.

We are not hiding anything. Our roots are in adult - and we have ran a very successful adult affiliate program that has 10 years of ontime payouts without ever ripping anyone off who we owed money to.

If anyone has any questions regarding our past i'm more than happy to answer them :)

Sure

The majority owner is Octav Moise - with private investors that have no connection to the business or involved in any of the day to day operation. Paxum currently employ's 35 people through out many countries.

Paxums roots are in the adult industry. We are the preferred payment method within the adult industry when it comes to affiliate payouts. We have 300+ adult programs who use our service to pay their affiliates aswell as 1000's of personal accounts holders that use our service to pay designers programmers and other webmaster type of things :)

Our two main banks are Choice Bank out of belize. You will find that is the standard bank used for anyone who uses an international debit card like we do. Another bank we use is CIBC in montreal. That is the bank where we keep 110% of All funds within the paxum system at any given time.

Main customers - that is addressed in the second answer.

Regards
Chris

You are 100% wrong about this. Chris Mallick is in no way involved with paxum or any company. We have never even spoken to the guy.

If paxum was ran by chris mallick in any way - would the industry that he hurt the most use another company ran by him? Please do some look into some of our clients and you will see that we are in no way related to mallick.

Only connections : We hired an ex employee of his. He stayed with us for two weeks and took another job. We hired him due to his knowledge in the business. He had no connection with the fall out of epassporte.

Our names : We both are named Chris


Industry: We both have adult industry connections.


I'd either like you to retract what you said about our company and the accusation you made or for a moderator to remove these flat out lies.

Adult industry, after been screwed by epassporte (chris mallick), would not go with paxum if there would be even slightest connection between the two.

You are way off base.Michael Olsen was a support rep for epassporte. He lost his job. We hired him for his knowledge. He quite. Shaliza Somani, Billy Sorrentino and Leslie Kamarad No clue who they are.

OxyMoronEnt.com has no connection to paxum again - that is CHRIS MALLICK. How did they adopt us? Please google you will find nothing connecting us other than the same industry.

Publish it or STFU.  If what you are saying is true, do everyone a great favor and expose it with solid facts. I for one and anyone in adult would prefer not to have another epass situation and certainly would not want to put this community at risk.  

Yes - if you have proof that paxum is the same company as epassporte please post it. I've worked for the owners of paxum in our other biz for 9 years. I would think I know who they are.

Do you have proof of that? I would like to see that. if that's true P is a goner.  Please back it up with proof!

You are one confussed person it seems. I'll deny it right now.


PAXUM HAS NO EPASSPORTE EMPLOEYES WORKING FOR THE COMPANY. NO RELATIVES OF EPASSPORTE EMPLOYEES. NOTHING.

The only epassporte employee that EVER worked for paxum was Michael Olsen. He was a board support rep for epassporte. He was not even in the same country as the epassporte offices. He worked for us for two weeks. He decided to go work for a competitor of ours. That is the ONLY connection with people to epassporte.

We are both heavy in the adult industry. That is true. So are a handful of other payment providers. Are they owned by epassporte?

What other connection are you finding paxum to epassporte?

Just for a visual difference


ME : I'm in the black shirt. A rather unflattering picture of me speaking on a panel a few months ago regarding payment processors in the adult industry. I dont think Chris Mallick would be invited to this or anyone from his companies

http://fubarwebmasters.com/galleries/pf11/1562/z02201.jpg


Chris Mallick:

http://christophermallickscam.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/chris-mallick-is-a-scammer.jpg

What in the world are you talking about? I've never denied that? If you look before you post im pretty sure i posted that he worked for us. He was a rep at that company and it was natural for us to hire an employee that had a ton of knowledge.  We publicly hired Michael Olsen. A person who had no day-to-day dealings with the innner workings of epassporte. He was a person who monitored adult messages boards and helped people with questions. He was out of a job - we hired him. That simple. Use your detective work. Find the competitor he works for now - and ask him your self. Or go to gfy.com and do more research and you will see we have no connection at all.

You are way off base and have no clue what you are talking about. You have yet to post anything.

I will be afk for about an hour - please find all your proof and post it.


PAXUM DOES NOT EMPLOYEE ANY EPASSPORTE RELATIVES OR PAST EMPLOYEE'S

BitcoinEXpress, this is what makes forums so bad.  We have legitimate questions for Paxum, and may even have some real concerns and doubts.  But this makes it impossible to even explore that.  Ironically, you are making us more likely to trust them.

Everything you have said on every post on this forum has been poorly thought out, and poorly worded nonsense.  You need to post proof or shut up.  You are making up things about VC's, Dwolla, Paxum, etc.  Just stop.

Ever since Dwolla incident broke out, BitcoinEXpress did the following:

- tried to make it sound like it was "Bitcoin scandal" hoping for media to pick it up instead of focusing on Dwolla issue
- tried to silence TradeHill with scare tactics so everyone else in community would stay in unknown
- and now attacking new TradeHills processing solution, Paxum with blatant accusations without proof

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.



PS  Michael Olsen bit was never hidden from anyone. The guy was customer support rep on boards, not an executive.

BitcoinXPress is playing a really weird game here since the beginning. It all started with copying my avatar. Very likely some kind of sockpuppet account in an attempt to discredit people.

BitcoinEXpress, you are way off your base.

Micheal Olson - mastermind behind Epass??   lol how much more junk can you fed off of google?

Just stop, you're making the whole community look like a bunch of hillbilly inbreeds.

Post some proof or seriously, just STFU.

there is no proof otherwise it would be long exposed in adult industry or even posted already here in this thread.
unfortunately he won't stop spewing BS as it looks like it's his job.

We could go back and forth all day long like this, but the fact of the matter is that you are wrong, plain and simple.  This is ALSO why you have NOT been able to provide any proof/evidence of your erroneous accusations.

Paxum is in NO WAY related to Epassporte. Our thousands of customers are more than happy with our service, we are the dominant alternative payment method for the adult industry, which is an industry that was SERIOUSLY AFFECTED by the downfall of Epassporte.

Common sense will hopefully prevail among prospective clients of Paxum, particularly in light of our continued growth and success. We are Canadian incorporated, registered as a money services business, and customer feedback illustrates we are providing a great service.

If anyone has any questions that are DIFFERENT from those above, and have relevance, then please feel free to post them. :)

Hi Ruth and Chris:

Please pay no attention to the troll... he has his own agenda, and you have been nothing but gracious and patient with your explanations. I considered Paxum as a method for funding my exchange accounts, but decided to get my BTC elsewhere instead. However, if I were in the States or Europe right now, I would probably switch to Paxum right away.

I for one am very happy you guys are on board, and as long as you stick to the statements you've made to us regarding chargebacks, it should be a very good match with you and Tradehill.

Cheers,

I'm postIng this from my Phone so please excuse any typos.

I see your game and I won't play it.
 You are flat out wrong. Michael Olsen an epass
Mastermind? Just shows how clue less you are.

Yes I'm saying paxum has no connection
Employee partner board member wise. The only
Person to ever have s connection was Michael for two weeks.

Paxum is set up in Belize. How is that a connection to
Epass?


To the community : I do not look at this guy
As a reflection of the community as a whole.
People should be on their guard when it comes to
Money but for someone just to repeat lies
And never accept the answer given is just absurd.

My final words to him unless he has a valid question
Is that paxum is not epass and we have no epass employees
Or board members or whatever name you want
To give them. The only true thing posted was
Michael was employed for two weeks. Half of he was sick and
Could not work. He was a support person on
Messages boards. Same job he had with epass.


Regards
Chris

Thanks Piper! We're happy to be here :D

Don't take BitcoinEXpress too serious, he works for Dwolla.

Yes, but if I was going to wire to Paxum, then use Paxum to fund Tradehill... why wouldn't I just wire the money directly to Tradehill?

For that matter, is there any reason Tradehill's US account can't accept ACH directly?

And they reply in iambic pentameter... now that's class!!!  :D

1. If you read my previous post where Jered posted the issue with Dwolla, I gave Jered my full support, and I said that I wish the best to Tradehill (as well as camp BX, etc) because competition is good and necessary.
2. I am doing this STRICTLY to protect Tradehill and its users. While it is true that MtGox / Aurumxchange has a long standing working relationship (we were working with them since Jed owned it), we are an independent exchanger, and will provide the SAME services and partner in the SAME way with Tradehill, or any other bitcoin exchanger that wants to do so. The more "ecurrencies" (or in this case shall we call them instruments) we exchange, the better and the bigger the revenue.
3. Like I said in a previous post, I have worked with e-currencies for a long time, been scammed a lot of times, I have learned a lot from the business, and I think there is something of value we e-currency people can bring to the table when it comes to exchanging money. For example, anecdotally, on my previous thread where somebody mentioned Tradehill had FREE sepa transfers I commented how banks in the SEPA zone, as soon as they learn your are in the "e-currency" business, and you start moving a decent amount of money they drop you like flies. This has happened to MtGox, and now as I understand it, Tradehill is having problems with their SEPA account. I didn't "make this happen" or said this with an agenda against Tradehill. I am simply trying to help and bring my experience on things that happened to us before bitcoin even existed
4. I am 100% CONVINCED that Mallick is behind Paxum. I do not have any facts to back this up of course because he is not going to put his name nowhere near Paxum. I know a lot of people in the industry to know I am right. I do not have any factual information to support my claims. I would advice people to proceed with caution, but more than anything, I would advice Jered to proceed with caution because I know he is a decent guy and he will never pass these losses to his customers so he is the one at risk of getting hurt the most.

Time will tell how this goes I guess

Roberto

Wasn't Octav Moise the guy behind the 'Vimax' (penis enlargement patch) affiliate program that littered the Internet with web pages using the words "Vimax" and "scam" prominently so that people searching for "is vimax a scam" would find hundreds of pages that said it wasn't?

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Joel,

You are correct about Octav. Furthermore, Octav is the testaferro (http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/testaferro) of Chris.

I'm not sure if you are asking why can't you wire directly to tradehill's paxum account from your bank. We do not allow third party wires to our user accounts. Only wires or ach allowed to be sent to your paxum account is from your bank account.

Joel,

You are correct about Octav. Furthermore, Octav is the testaferro (http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/testaferro) of Chris.
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I know what testaferro is... what I don't know is what kind of proof you have... how about you offer that instead?

No the question is why wouldn't we wire Tradehill's bank account directly (I believe both they and mtgox can accept this)?

I just don't see the value of using Paxum in the middle here?

Coincidentally, both named Chris. Coincidentally epassporte AND Paxum have roots in the adult industry. Coincidentally, I have a brain, so do most users in this forum.

People, MAKE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. I will not post regarding this issue anymore. All you need to make your own judgement as a user is out there.

There are 1000's of adult companies with 100's of people named chris in our industry. That really does not mean anything. i was around in the adult industry before epassporte was even around.

But you are allowed to draw your own conclusion but the industry that was hurt the most by mallick has embraced us. We've done nothing but positive business and you would be hard pressed to find anything negative about us :)

These are the kind of opinions you keep to yourself.

If you mean you don't have concrete facts, but a set of circumstances which logically suggest this, then you should share your thought process.  Otherwise this is no better than me saying I had a dream last night that aurumxchange rapes goats.

CHRIS MALLICK... PAXUMCHRIS




MUST BE THE SAME PERSON!


Right, the logic is infallible.

I will not retract ANYTHING. The moderators on this forum is welcome to ban me if they want to. I AM DOING THIS TO PROTECT THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM, and to protect Jered.

Thank you for your promise to cease further discussion on this topic. I'm sure nobody wants to spend the day going around in circles. :)

Amen to all that. Again, if you want to see it, you will. I will rest my case now.

There's entire sites dedicated to Chris Mallick and all the pies he has fingers in.  Trust me, ePassport and Paxum are like oil and water.  Come out to the Phoenix Forum or Internext and if you know anybody who knows anybody, you'll find there's absatively no relationship between Paxum and ePass.

Is there any relation between Paxum and Ruxum?

RonC and Chris Mallick are buds.  Does this mean we should stay away from CCBill then?

[Mod:] Ok, aurumxchange and BitcoinExpress have stated their opinions without prove. Their post wont be deleted neither them banned. But please, dont post anymore without prove. You have already said what you think and it will remain in the post for anyone to see. Now its time to show prove or just stop.

Also, if the Praxum reps want to open a new thread only dedicated to answer doubts about how your business work you should do so.

And i'd be happy to meet with anyone at any of those :) No - not at all. but soon enough BitcoinExpress and aurumexchange will find super secret connections between us im sure  ::)

we both end us XUM so we must be related  ::) ::)

aurumxchange,  this is pretty amateur for competitor to produce some words without backing them up. poor game you are playing. definitely -1 rep in my book to you for taking this road (i explain it if you didn't get it: producing some accusations without proof). very childish behavior. unless you can back up your claims you are now have no credibility and everyone doing business with you should be very concerned.

Name one relative that the owners of paxum or any paxum employee share with epassporte - or say you are wrong

Name one company that is the same as paxum or any paxum employee share with epassporte - or say you are wrong

Name one process server paxum or paxum employees share with epassporte - or say you are wrong

Only relationships we share is most of the people that used mallicks service - now use us. I'm not aware of ANY companies mallick owns or has any invovlment in uses paxum at all. Post one or say you are wrong

You are 100% wrong about everything you are saying.

What I found amazing and refreshing in this thread is the open, honest and approachable conduct by the Paxum reps.

Dwollla was never this approachable and with the recent chargebacks they are ALOT less approachable however it seems that some people in this thread still treat dwolla, even after the fact, with much more respect and courtesy than the Paxum reps.

I would suggest to Paxum to open a new thread dedicated to their company and bitcoin related questions/issues.

Again with the proof ... if you understand testaferro, ownership by proxy, nominee directors and shareholders you know these things are structured in a way to obscure real ownership.

Of course there is no hard proof!! Let's put it this way: It is my opinion that Paxum is owned by Mallick. I don't know who bitcoinxpress is or what his agenda is, but what the connections are all there. There is overwhelming evidence all over the internet pointing to what my conclusion came to be. It is QUITE different to say "I had a dream that AurumXchange rape goats".

Is there HARD PROOF that Iraq was invaded on "weapons of mass destruction" lie in order to secure oil? NO, but if you doubt it at this point, you are just plain fool.

hear hear... let this thread sink into the darkness (though I suspect there will be at least two people here trying to bring it back to life from time to time)

Freakin conspiracy theorist loons.  *sigh*

And i'd be happy to meet with anyone at any of those :) No - not at all. but soon enough BitcoinExpress and aurumexchange will find super secret connections between us im sure  ::)

we both end us XUM so we must be related  ::) ::)
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Who is Penn Olson?

Who is Penn Olson?
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No clue.....

I have seen overwhelming evidence all over the internet pointing to aurumxchange rapes goats.  Do a google search people!



I think you chose a poor example.  You have it backwards.  A few clowns insisted that they had hard proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but they just couldn't show it.  Aren't you the clown in this example?

OK, giving you the benefit of the doubt, here's where you're wrong. You are making an assertion and requiring me to prove the negative... and proving a negative being impossible, you claim victory because I cannot dis-prove your assertion.

The way the adult brain works, on the other hand, is that if you make a claim (Chris Mallick is behind Paxum... Iraq has WMD... there is a god... the moon landings were a hoax), the onus is then on you to submit proof that will support that assertion. Get it now?

You cannot disprove that I'm your father... or your gay lover... or that you are trying to generate fear and confusion for your own interests. But you don't need to disprove that until such time as I can offer proof that those things are so.

Now, either you're 13 and never came across the concept of onus of proof, or you do have an agenda and are pushing it in a pretty underhanded way. In either case, you really have no place in a serious forum about a serious issue.

Yet, people have been doing business with us since 2007 without any problems. Last time I check, people were allowed to express their thoughts on this forum.

No clue.....
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But you know who is Michael Olson, right?

I know for a fact that aurumxchange is run by epassporte owners, there is evidence everywhere but i can't show you proof

Again with the proof ... if you understand testaferro, ownership by proxy, nominee directors and shareholders you know these things are structured in a way to obscure real ownership.

You be warned!





disclaimer: this post is all BS to display that without proof it's a lame attack on a competitor.  make your own conclusions if you want to trust people making such attacks without backing up anything.

But you know who is Michael Olson, right?

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Yes he worked for us for two weeks. One week he was sick and was not around. The next week he informed us he was not going to be with us anymore.

If that is a relative of his - no I do not know his family. He lives in Asia - I don't.

Oh no, that's a different "Ruth", like the different "Chris" BitcoinExpress. We are conspiracy loonies, or desperate people attacking competitors (by the way Paxum is not my competitor, and Bitcoin represents about 3% of my  revenue). I will invite ANYBODY to find ANY thread on the internet with AurumXchange attacking a competitor. We better shut up and let nature run its course. I tried to do a nice thing to the users of this forum and warned them and all I got is getting attacked for it. Let's nature run its course. I have been in this business before Paxum, and I will be after they are gone.

But you know who is Michael Olson, right?

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http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/07/27/ruxum-bitcoin-asia/

Penn Olson

1 haig road #12-565
singapore, singapore 330046
Singapore

Just where Ruxum bitcoin exchange was registered before they hide under private registration!

I guess when they come out of beta they will have their accounts with Paxum?!

http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/07/27/ruxum-bitcoin-asia/

Penn Olson

1 haig road #12-565
singapore, singapore 330046
Singapore

Just where Ruxum bitcoin exchange was registered before they hide under private registration!

I guess when they come out of beta they will have their accounts with Paxum?!
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I will confirm that Ruxum did email me last night in regards to setting up with us. No clue who they are tho

That didnt take long, I found where you are attacking a competitor right here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32604.0

Bad mouthing without providing all the easily obtained evidence you so speak of and then you want us to feel sorry for lashing back at your ill conceived comments?

Wow.  Low.

The thread is from here: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-985938.html

And the comment from RuthB is a QUOTE of RxNetwork:



aurumxchange why do you continue to deny that you rape goats?  I have not seen one single contradiction to my claim!  Not one single shred of evidence that you do not rape goats!!

You have successfully discredited your business name in this thread by producing false accusations against your competitor. Good luck picking up more business after this thread.

I seriously doubt that, but ok. Like I said on my previous thread, let's nature run its course. Time will prove me wrong or right. Off this thread now! I have a bunch of exchanges pending.

This logic is similar to that of the bible predictions and the nostrodamus followers. It is flawed beyond any reasonable sanity.

For those of you claiming I was trying to discredit TradeHill because of our partnership with MtGox, please note that MtGox accepts Paxum as well. My impressions and believes regarding Paxum still stand.

Thanks
Roberto

Uhhhh what? How is saying "time will prove me wrong or right" flawed beyond any reasonable sanity? Please do elaborate?

I had credible source aurumnxchange indeed rapes goats!  I found a picture of it on Google but that incompetent windows 7 gave me the blue screen of death and now I have lost the proof guys!>:(   Come on aurumn get ur act together buddy! way to fail!

Damn I really hoped you were more intellectually inclined to understand this statement.

I will babystep it for you.

Making a call on someones credibility and then backing yourself with "time will prove me wrong or right" is a pure cherry picking tactic.

You are right now making the statement that you are right(afterall you kept hammering on about having facts) however you then also claim that in time you may be wrong. This alone shows just how much you believe in your own judgement of evidence, since you cant 100% stand behind your own research but gracefully proclaim over and over how sure you are about Paxum and their so-called eventual wrong-doing.

To give you an example:

2012 bible researchers are 100% sure now that they have all the evidence that 2012 will be the end of the world. Come 2012 and the world doesnt end, they will simply get something new to back up the fact that they were wrong and had no evidence to begin with. This same logic was followed by the recent doomsday prediction Harold Camping and when it didnt happen he simply backtracked onto a new date.

Effectively you assume that you are right and you would be right indefinitely if nothing goes wrong with Paxum(since there is still tomorrow and another tomorrow for something to go wrong) and you would be right if(eventually) something goes wrong with Paxum. You dont apply a date as to when in the future the cutoff would be for Paxum to fail, so you are free roaming any possible eventuality that may occur.

This is a long explaination but in short it comes down to: You sir, are a crazy person.

I really don't understand why the name calling and personal attacks when I have never attacked you or anybody on this forum. Like somebody said on this thread, I am putting my business name out there to do a service to bitcoin users from my believe that Paxum is a questionable company at best, however, I get viscously attacked and I still fail to grasp why.

The fact remains that, at the very least, Paxum employed one person that was involved with epassporte. Paxum claims they hired this person for their experience, however, if you are in the payment processing industry, you would have to know better than hiring this person no matter how much "experience" they have. Thus, there is some factual information to be at the very least, somewhat weary of this company.

In addition, there is a whole slew of "anecdotical" information (if you want to call it that) that makes me very weary of this company.

I was faced with the argument that my opinion is akin to saying that if somebody dreamed I rape goats, it must be true. I also still fail to see how this compare to "world end" predictions.

I was also accused of having an agenda against TradeHill because of my partnership with MtGox. MtGox now accepts Paxum, so that should clear that up.

I was also accused of lying to discredit competition. By their own post on this thread, Paxum stated that they are an EWALLET PAYMENT SERVICE. We are an electronic currency exchange service, so I fail to see that as well. That would be akin to saying that Liberty Reserve is our competition. If anything, we welcome honest e-currency providers and payment processors since they are our bread and butter.

It seems that when all logic and reason fail, some people must immediately resort to personal attacks, questioning intellectual abilities, calling names, and making childish jokes about goat raping.

On this post here:

Re: Mt.Gox/AurumXchange Partnership - European Transfers Now Available

Dated July 22nd, I said "It is really fortunate that Tradehill can offer free SEPA, but if they reach a volume of a few million € a week, they will quickly learn what we did before bitcoin was even a thought ."

Today I learned that TradeHill cannot execute SEPA transfers anymore. See, my comments and predictions related to this industry stem from experience, and are design to try to help and educate the people in the bitcoin industry with my past experiences, and are not based on some religious superstition. There is nothing wrong with saying "time will tell". There is, however, something wrong with certain members of a community that cannot discuss a topic without personal attacks and unwarranted condescension.

Roberto

You probably meant vicious and wary, not viscous and weary... and yes, you did attack, pretty head on and with a definite air of superiority. Only after it became clear that you lacked the most basic proof for your assertions did you back down into a "time will tell" position.

Viscous indeed :-)

Go lick your wounds somewhere else.

You attacked and attacked and attacked, then observers pushed back(like me) and now you are acting like a child.

If you didnt want to get slapped back, you should not have started throwing punches blindly.

Stop the damage control, its pathetic.

I apologize for the errors in spelling. English is my second language. Apparently it is also an amusing trait to make fun of ESL people in this forum. I never attacked Clipse. To my understanding, he is not related to Paxum. I questioned Paxum as a company and still question them. If anybody was attacked in my posts was Chris Mallick who is a known scammer. I did not personally attack anybody involved in the discussion.

Si quieres podemos continuar esta conversacion en español... English is also MY second language! And it isn't a trait at all to attack ESL people in this forum. But you will find, when dealing with a group of independent-minded people like the Bitcoin community, that your allegations better have a solid enough base. You went on the attack here, you got pushed back and lost... give it up.

Next time you decide it's a good idea to go on the attack, better have your ducks in a row.

I actually saw the pic before it was removed, it proved no such thing. It only showed someone called Ruth saying it was possible to retrieve funds from epassporte for a fee. It was isolated, out of context, and there are at least three or four ways in which the statements made by that Ruth (which might or might not be the same Ruth) could be interpreted without in any way implying that she is an "ePassporte person".

Not the kind of proof that would fly with anyone, in my opinion.

It may well be that Paxum and ePassporte are one and the same, but so far I have not seen anything to indicate it. And the nature of the attacks has been underhanded to say the least, reflecting much more poorly on you and Aurum than on the Paxum reps.

So if you are right and there is something about them that isn't kosher, you have done us all a disservice by going about it in such a sly, underhanded and unintelligent way. It would have been much more helpful for you to present your evidence earlier, in full and without the stupid intrigue.

Actually ruth never said it either - she quoted the person two post above her. In the ARCHIVED version of that site ( the one he decided to screen shot ) does not show the QUOTE BOX but if a person looks up TWO post you will see where another user said it and she quoted his post asking to get in touch with her regarding something totally unrelated to epassporte :)

PLEASE SEE THE POST BELOW WHICH FULLY EXPLAINS THE SITUATION YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

FYI, since I indicated up-thread that I was planning to try out Paxum with Tradehill, I wanted to tell people that I tried signing onto Paxum, had a negative experience, and as a result decided not to use them.  I posted about it at length in a separate thread.  Please take a look: you might want to think twice about using this company til they fix their web site and processes.

Only thing you proved is that you have no insider knowledge of any of your claims. You used google, and found some questions that were brought up almost a year ago. The screenshot you posted of some service doing people a favor trying to pull out money of epass before it completely went belly up. You displayed incompetence of knowing 'facts' , not an inside VC/Big financial institutions knowledge. What happened with epass at that time, if my memory serves me right, international withdraw methods were cut off, people in US still were able to pull out funds and helped others in other countries to pull out their funds as well. then there were people going through legal routes to help acquire funds back for others. (funds were btw in two different accounts one being completely locked up on epass side)   You are a troll who knows how to search google, but quick 10min research shows that you know nothing on the subject. If you had proof of epass - paxum connection you would have already provided here. so just STFU before you make more fool of yourself.

I did not went "on the attack". I presented some factual information and some anecdotical information about a company that it is at the very least questionable. I did not do it to "attack a competitor" or with any kind of agenda. That is not an attack.

Kindly point me to a single thread where I attacked ANY individual on this forum? How is cautioning people about a company comparable to calling a person stupid and crazy, or making fun of their english abilities is beyond my comprehension.

How is somebody that orders somebody else on a forum to go "lick their wounds" somewhere else an independent-minded person? Frankly, I would have never expected the reaction I got from my trying to help the community like I did.

You want to talk about going "on the attck"? How about this post made on my thread:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=30982.msg410520#msg410520

Recommending people not to use our services because of my personal opinion regarding a company that is clearly NOT my competitor?

Don't play innocent victim here. You viciously attacked PAXUM with your unproovable  facts, the post you are referring in your thread is a direct response to you attacking Paxum without submitting any proof whatsoever. You screwed yourself over on this one. I'm just providing my opinion based on what I sow you did here in this thread.

EDIT: even if Paxum isn't your direct competitor doesn't make a difference that you attacked them without any evidence to your claims. Very unethical.

Are you a member of the Paxum team? How did my warnings regarding a third company affected you personally to the point you had the need to attack our company on our thread? If you see my post a few above this one, you will notice I have posted FACTUAL information on why PAXUM is at the very least suspicious, employing the same people than Epassporte.

To say that two companies that employed the same high-rank questionable employee (FACT), that are in the exact same niche (Adult business - FACT) and that they have a very similar payment processing business model (FACT) is far from viscously attacking a company with unprovable facts.

I was asked to provide proof that Chris Mallick owns Paxum, however, do you believe that if Chris Mallick were to start a new business in the exact same niche, with the exact same business model, and with the same employees (at least one verifiable) after the epassporte fiasco he wouldn't use a proxy, or testaferro? Do you still believe that what I am saying is completely baseless? Because there is a very vast grey area between completely baseless and completely factual.

If you read my original thread, I told Jered to be careful with this company. That's it. That is not an attack. They are not my competitors. I am trying to help companies and members.

What I did is not unethical. Furthermore, it is the only ethical thing to do, for me to come in here, and warn people so they don't loose their hard earned money to people I honestly believe are questionable, and I did it under my username by the way, under my business name at the risk of having my business dragged all over the floor.

You are of course entitled to your own opinions and ideas. I will not call you an idiot, or a crazy person. I don't know you at all, I would never do that. I will never make fun of you either for a few misspellings you have in your post. I am just curious as to why some members deemed it appropriate to attack me in such a vicious when I have NEVER attacked them. If Chris Mallick would come to this forum (he never would though) and attack me, I would understand it, but why this?

I will read your post but here is my own experience so far with paxum.

1.) Signed up, provided documents that were scanned shitty and overlapped corners. These documents passport and bankstatement(for address verification) where rejected.
2.) I got response to my submitted docs within 2hrs, I was told to submit new scans that wasnt cropped/edited and centered without corners cutoff.
3.) I rescanned the proper way as suggested, resubmitted documents.
4.) Within 2hrs again I got accepted for verification and verified and I requested my mastercard prepaid card.
5.) 1 day later the card went into "printing mode" which I assume is about to be send out to me.
6.) will have to update once I receive it, international packages to my country usually take 2-3weeks.


This is my full process, no hassles at all.




This is an easy question, most people on this forum are looking for solutions and you provided none with your backboneless proof(which we yet have to see) and fear mongering tactics that doesnt provide anyone here with any help other than more confusion and panic.

None of your posts have been constructive, except the last few where you jump back into your own shell that just proves yet again that bullies like you cant handle it when treated with the same respect that they give to others.

Hi Clipse, if I understand correctly, you are saying that you did not receive your card yet right? As I understand it, you say that you are going to update when you receive your card.

Then, I came across this interesting IRC chat transcript, WHERE YOU CLAIM YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CARD:

Would you care to explain everybody in here why are you lying? Because you either lied in here, or on that IRC chat I just posted. Or is it this another case of a "different Clipse"? THAT WOULD BE AN AWFULLY WEIRD COINCIDENCE since you both seem to be located, or claim to be located in South Africa mate? Where are you going to go lick your shilling wounds now? Please explain your lying and shilling.

Eremes   :   (17:55)      but they charge a bit high
Eremes   :   (17:55)      2%
Eremes   :   (17:55)      mtgox to LR is 1%
Eremes   :   (17:55)      via aurum is 2%
Eremes   :   (17:55)      not a big deal if u are in hurry rite ?
Clipse   :   (17:55)      or if ur working wiht small amounts i guess
Clipse   :   (17:56)      ;P
Eremes   :   (17:56)      lol
Clipse   :   (17:56)      $2 on $100 isnt much to worry about when you get to convert >$1000 it starts to suck
Eremes   :   (17:56)      true
Clipse   :   (17:57)      gox gonna have paxum support enabled soon allready retested it
Clipse   :   (17:57)      thats the cheapest alternative for anyone i rate
Clipse   :   (17:57)      $1 fixed withdrawal fee
Eremes   :   (17:57)      but its only available to USA
Eremes   :   (17:57)      paxum
Clipse   :   (17:57)      no its worldwide
Clipse   :   (17:58)      im in SA got my card today
Clipse   :   (17:58)      now just waiting for gox to enable



YOU WANTED FACTS, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN THIS ONE? HOW MUCH IS CHRIS MALLICK PAYING YOU TO LIE AND SHILL FOR THEM????

Roberto

Here is the link to the IRC CHAT TRANSCRIPT JUST FROM YESTERDAY:

http://btcguild.searchonirc.com/?d=2011-07-27-17

NOW ALL THE PERSONAL ATTACKS MAKE SENSE!!! Well, my friend, el pez por la boca muere.

Once your card goes into printing - it takes about a week for us to get it. Once we get it we ship it generally that same day to you and that takes about 2-3 weeks to arrive depending on your postal service.

Chris

I think you had been told to stop with the false accusations unless you are going to post proof. Chris mallick has NOTHING to do with paxum. No relation at all. No family members. No third cousins. No next door neighbors best friends cousins uncles. NOTHING. Now I'll ask AGAIN STOP Putting paxum in the same boat as chris mallick and epassporte.

I'm pretty sure what he meant that he got his card today is that he ordered his card today. Dont be a dork.

Oh now you want to have fun.

No where did I state that I have used paxum on my own account, I was explaining the use of paxum card since my friend introduced it to me and I got first hand knowledge from his use of it.

I mentioned that I didnt receive my own card yet cause that is the case with my own account. Next time I will for people like you make it more clear when discussing something I have knowledge in the follow way, "Oh the card works but I dont personally have one however a friend of mine have one and his nickname is bla bla bla" it was alot easier to explain the practical use refering to myself.

Not happy with what I posted in irc ? Guess what it doesnt matter, I am not here offering a service however you are and you need to look presentable unlike the dodgy shitstorm you keep spewing.

Do you want to search for more irc logs? Please do, you will find a crapload of logs that will fit your own personal issues.

LOL THIS GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!! Thank you "Chris NOT Mallick". I just posted IRREFUTABLE proof that Clipse is lying and shilling for your company. If you actually took the time to read the IRC chat (before frantically trying to do "damage control" as Clipse mentioned). You would have noticed that the IRC chat is from July 27, TODAY IS THE 29th, so how come on the 27 he said he already got his card, but now he claims he is waiting for it?

FACTS FACTS FACTS dear Chris :D. The Cobwebs Have Cleared. See??? You should be really careful before releasing your shills to attack me, because I have been in this business for too long, and I am no fool.

Roberto

You are an idiot. I'm done with you. Should of listened to all the people from here who told me just to ignore you. You are clueless.

Sure, I am an idiot :) I will let people read this thread and make their own conclusions. :).

We did. You really are an idiot. And your actions in this thread have discredited you and your company.

This thread having been thoroughly hijacked and driven into the ground, I'm closing it. Sorry to those of you who were attempting to have constructive discussion.