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I've "known" about this for pretty much as soon as mdayonliner created the S_Therapist alt account to "start" again (which he publicly announced he'd done so somewhere but he left the account unnamed for obvious reasons) but I kept it to myself and was going to let it slide and hope that he could put his mistake behind him but there's multiple levels of abuse he's now doing. Not only is he 'talking' to himself on each account (both on sig campaigns), posting back to back, but he's also now meriting his own posts:

Post he merited: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49177831#msg49177831

A thread he just created to talk to himself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096229.0

How do I know they're the same person? Well, I first suspected just by the way they type and how they conduct themselves (which you start to pick up on these things), but what really gave it away was he then referred to me as 'hilari' which I've only ever seen mdayonliner do. I wasn't the only one to notice this and several other people have PMd me to tell me about the similarities they noticed  since (they can chime in if they wish). You might not think this is enough evidence that they're one and the same but if you look at the accounts and how they type and behave it's glaringly obvious.

Three accounts where he called me hilari:




Both Bangladeshi:



Frequently uses the same red paint arrows and boxes to highlight things:










There's multiple other smaller similarities in the way they post like using tildes (~) when they snip bits out of other's quotes but the biggest ones are above and the fact that three other people that I know about had already made the same connection independently leads me to believe that it is almost certainly him. As I said before, I was happy to overlook this and leave him be to build up a screw-up free reputation and leave his past behind but I think this is just being too cocky now and he's knowingly breaking the rules by posting back to back and now the merit abuse is just stepping over the line for me.

Edit: Part Two:

S_Therapist = mdayonliner = Retina: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg50271724#msg50271724

I will seat back an relax now  ;D

Your turn S_Therapist. I will have a lot to say after the drama ends here.

I will keep an archive (https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.0) just in case  :)

Please drop this feigned naivety. Why the hell did you go and merit the account when I'd told you I knew which it was. It's like you were trying to call my bluff. Well, bluff called. All you had to do was not do anything stupid and you would have been fine and multiple people were willing to give you a second chance by not saying anything. I was even considering changing your original trust to neutral despite me not really trusting you as a person, and then this.

Can you start with a clear statement: is the topic title correct or not?

You should be. I am not what you are thinking.
By the way, I just left 4 merits for S_Therapist here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096348.msg49193764#msg49193764). The post worth merit.

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Hello LoyceV
Not yet mate... I will enjoy it first then I will definitely correct with the right one, mday gives the community his word, I may make mistake offering $100k escrow but that does not mean that I am a bed person, that does not mean that I can scam or walkaway with any money, or the rating I see in my trust page. The harsh negative trust left by hilari suffered me a lot mentally and physically. I wanted a good name but this harsh act destroyed me in this forum. The rest just followed hilari because they have this feeling that hilari is always right.

Anyway, what Do You Think?

I think you're evading the question.

All you need is to wait, I am not going anywhere. I want to have my time.

@hilari: May I know the names of your advisers please?

My last replied was on mdayonliner reputation thread; and he haven't replied anymore.


Once mdayonliner stop posting, withing few days S_Therapist start posting on meta. I noticed him on some point same as mdayonliner. But I really don't want to expose him and wonder to give another chance. I never bother to share it, that's why partially explained him by avobe quote. We are human and we can do mistake. But seems hilariousetc already open thread about it. I don't know if someone noticed or not I have never sent single merit to S_Therapist although he have made few good post. Because I was suspected that's alt of mdayonliner so I just leave him his own way. I don't know if someone will agree with me or not but the reason I will point why I was suspected.

1. Both account want to build reputation very fast.
2. He know very well from where can earn merit much. That's why most of post his on meta from beginning.
3. Others 2 point mentioned by hilariousetc I have noticed as well. But I am not agree with red point arrow marked box. May be some people's use same software.
4. No doubts both account from Bangladesh.
5. Same posting style. Read the post of both account.
6. Both sentence meanings look like same to me below;

7. Both infographics look like made by same person.
A) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096229.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096229.0)
B) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095944.msg49176783#msg49176783 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095944.msg49176783#msg49176783)
8. Look  S_Therapist  2nd post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043594.msg46494529#msg46494529) nebiwe used ^sup means S_Therapist know all the functions of forum. Wondering how it's possible. May be I learn it after 3 month.
9. Both account replied quote same style. And both cut word same way on the reply. Although it's not much evidence to prove alt. I just see the similarities.
10. Most strong point is hilari what I have noticed from beginning.

I noticed him on this thread also;

I just mentioned what I noticed and no one is my enemy here. Community could determine they are really alt or not.

Edit : Just noticed S_Therapist sent me a merit during writing this reply :o

I am expecting clear statements of mdayonliner about this thread.

That is a good idea to archive it.

S_Therapist likes archiving as well. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061192.msg47484935#msg47484935)

For a user account that was started just before when Mdayonliner announced that he will be starting an "alt" it has a remarkable resemblance in style. But also identical skills, knowledge and as a noob an immediate interest in being involved in enforcing the forum rules.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061192.msg47486649#msg47486649

I still have the PM from Hilariousandco for the 1st of November when it became apparent that they were the same person.

https://i.imgur.com/ise2zkr.png

It was so blatantly obvious that I also had several other people message me about it as early as the start of October. But it wasn't abusing any of the rules at the time so it was unimportant.

He's saying exactly what someone who's caught red-handed would say, IMO.  I'd say what hilariousandco said in the OP sounds pretty spot-on, as S-Therapist kind of appeared out of nowhere, doing what mdayonliner was doing as far as trying to bust scams and such.  I figured mdayonliner's days here weren't done and that he'd start fresh with a new account, but it's hard to disguise your writing habits, especially if English isn't your first language.

Other than that, I'll just watch and see what happens here, popcorn in hand.

Absolutely nobody else on bitcointalk has called you Hilari. (Google confirms it) Only Mdayonliner had that habit (and S_Therapist)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4424578.0

I have nothing to say here except "I am not mdayonliner or alt of mdayonliner".
Thank you everyone for your judgment.

If this is true, this is it. I doubt that you could ever salavage the reputation after contiously doing things that you know are wrong/unacceptable here.

No one is following hilarious. This is petition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGeHeIxgmOU

https://i.imgur.com/rtNhYzD.png
https://youtu.be/jGeHeIxgmOU?t=268

https://i.imgur.com/RWB7vdX.png
https://youtu.be/jGeHeIxgmOU?t=484

https://i.imgur.com/ddQgyix.png
https://youtu.be/jGeHeIxgmOU?t=781

"Please bring that MLM shit whose owner was arrested back so we can do our business and lure more people to lose money."

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You are insulting everyone's intelligence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072050.msg48050769#msg48050769

First S_Therapist posted this https://prnt.sc/lkcz3x:
https://i.imgur.com/ihEKhQI.png
(I summon LoyceV for unedited post, and also edited, if they have data)

And then I posted this:
https://i.imgur.com/m389y0z.png

And then S_Therapist edited post with this:
https://i.imgur.com/eDegiVr.png

http://archive.is/F4GHt
https://prnt.sc/lkcz3x
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4495725.0 --> which is mday's thread btw. Any special reason to update post and link exactly mday's thread while I have linked 8 threads, not linking that one?
How has he found this thread? That thread was locked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4495725.msg40496227#msg40496227) months before S_Therapist registered account and I couldn't find anything using search engines, at least not on first page. Avatar playing hide and seek? Cmon, don't tell me someone googled this. There are literally dozens similar threads.
Or maybe this is coincidence and he was already editing post while I posted my, took screenshot and later noticed they added additional information.

I have 6 theories:

1) They are alt accounts 96%
2) They are mday's fan 1%
3) Friends or family 1%
5) Someone is trying to frame mday. 1%
6) They are some random internet person which knows the same language as mday and has the same posting style since day one as mday 1%

 ::)

I guess I will speak now...

@hilari say you are wrong. If the truth is that I am not S_th... then suggest me the process of proving it. It turns out that S_th... is someone I know from the forum.

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I never thought I will say this ...
I am missing digaran LOL

I noticed digaran used to say "hilari" I guess I learnt it from him. Anyway does this make digaran my ALT? I guess it does not coz it's proven that he was not a Bangali.

=> But it's clear that saying "hilari" is not gonna make everyone my alt. (Fact proven wrong)

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Correct. I use lightshot. I am sure there are many here who do the same.

This is not lightshot by the way.

I think these are not lightshoot as well.


=> So, I hope this also resolve the same tool using confusion too. (fact proves wrong)

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=> No doubt the we both from Bangladesh. You are correct here. (it is a true)

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I use "~" to snip which is correct but I am not sure if he does the same or not.

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Was I able to prove that those two facts (not really) were wrong?

PS: I was surprise when you PMed me this morning asking about merit sending to alt, I was surprised when you said you know my alt (which I challenged of-course because I knew whatever you had in you mind was wrong). This topic now make sense.

I guess you need to come out from the surrounding (your advisers who were telling you about my alt and all those. Remember those adverser has issue with me and when someone have any issue with another one then they can give biased information. You are better than this in judging forum members) you have.

It's funny I remember reading the "hilari" instance and it did stick out for a minute. I really just chalked it up to a new nickname catching on, didn't think to much on it.

With the "if" in place. The meriting your alt seems the smart play to try and cast doubt. I dont track alts or anything like that, but maybe it's a case of "I can  do it better than Atriz".

They did try and come back under an alt, that had been found out early and allowed to attempt redemption, only to slip up in the end.

Same with that thread, my interest is peaked.

Take out family then marge these two and make it 100%

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Actually wait...
Take out number 3. Keep only number 2 and change it to 100%

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Update:

@suchmoon: I sent merit because S_th... is not my alt.

I will ask you to address this too. Since you are one of the forum member I trust. And other members who made reply here so far LoyceV and The Pharmacist.

(I am counting only the people who responded here, suchmoon tagged me so I am considering it another response)

It will still be 96%.

2% goes here then:

Oh, I get it. S_Therapist is 100% your fan. It sounds like you think he worships you. How cute.

I have a question to @mdayonliner, why you are defending instead of  @S_Therapist. I don't think you are worried about tag to mdayonliner because already tagged it. But why we can't see any defensive reply from @S_Therapist ?

That's why my question. I have seen your reply. That's why wondering why mdayonliner much encourage to defend. You have to defend yourself and prove it you are not mdayonliner.

I'm here.
If anyone still think that I'm not an alt of mdayonliner, please drop me a pm.
Thank you.

Because it turns out
- He knows me from the forum. He even came to my house when he had his other account which was hacked. I told him not to support me in anything in the forum coz there are people who likes to punish even the people who supports me. He never told me about his this S_th... account.
- He is a fan of me.
- I am super proud that he earned so many merits. I never seen any bangali to do that.
-I told him to tell only that he is not me and I am going to take care of the rest.

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Update
Thank you for adding the "If".

I will also add you. So Hilari, suchmoon, LoyceV, The Pharmacist and Lauda...

Digaran used "hilary", not "hilari".

What surprises me was the rate S_Therapist received his merits like a pro. He wrote this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5055401.msg47167082#msg47167082/) when he started like a novice even gave me credit then I was like 20merits+ above him then immediately he became a professional, knows how to construct his post and his quality improved drastically. I always believed it must be an alt account or someone bought the account but who am I to point fingers. I'm glad someelse did and maybe his is correct via the linked accounts. But no doubt   S_Therapist obviously looks like an alt account but I don't know who it belongs to.

Also I found this topic he stated "Lauda Not Anymore in DT now | How does DT work?"
 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045457.msg46607248#msg46607248/)  it was opened 3days after creating of account. What does this tell you...

That sound the same, isn't it? I did not notice that but I hope I was able to prove the point? I was inspired by D and S_th.. was inspired by me (I guess)...

So your defense is going to be to make this even weirder. S_Therapist is your neighbour? And what other account?

Look, any of these things can be a coincidence taken separately. I use red Paint arrows too. Too many coincidences is not good though.


Sadly it shows that mday is capable to contribute in a positive way without getting into shady shit but just doesn't want to.

It was/is not mday, it's me. S_Therapist.

What's your hacked account and why did you need to visit mday's house?

We had frequently exchanged btc/bdt.
account- pkmoney

Perhaps krogothmanhattan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1000199) could check (without revealing the members locations) if mdayonliner and S_Therapist have the same addresses. They both had taken part in the "Daily free raffle".

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'Inspired' does not mean the user would adopt your posting style and use of grammar.
I am not pointing hands or accusing anyone, but evidence was presented, and it has to be proven wrong in ordee for you to clear your name

If he didn't tell you about his account, did you tell him about yours?

Because shipping was not available for Bangladesh. Check OP from that raffle. I can provide PM too which I had with krogoth.

S-Th.. (now) was previous PKmoney or something. When I had my loan topic he asked for loan. I guess he PMed me or I know he lives in Bangladesh. So I asked him to give his phone number. He did. We talked. He had this member account I guess. There were no collateral but I trusted his word because we are from the same country. Trusting others is not new to me, I trusted few other members here too with even huge amount of money. You guess should know about my loan defaulters.

Anyway, after taking the loan he was one or two days late to pay me back, I was waiting and saw his account was not logged in for few days too. So I called and he said his account got hacked but he will give me the money back. Which he did by the way. He even came to my house to see me. I remember the respects he had for me. At one point I remember I said him to start from a new account. He was saying he might. I remember I advised him not to hang out with me on the forum, not to comment in any of my post or support me coz I was noticing after my reg tad my bed wishers were also attacking the people who supports me.

S_the.... is not my neighbor, a person who may be following my style, respected me a lot, had a trade with me. I did not know anything about him until he called me was saying it's him earlier.

Hilari's point is...

Calling... "Hilari" (already explained)
The red arrow (already explained)

Am I not doing my best to improve the forum?

Post it here. That's what this thread is about.

@S_Therapist which account was hacked? I can't find anything in meta.

He told you that his account was hacked, you know him from forum, he come to your house, you don't know this is his account. Ok.

He is doing pretty good in forum (Merit: 214), I think he can speak for himself.

Is this it? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156044

So you got hacked and you went to mday's house to talk about it and never posted anything about it on the forum, is that right?


Not really.

Please read my last post.

Not knowing his account was a surprise for me too. I knew it when he called me an hour ago. Notice my first response to hilary.... I was angry. I was angry coz in another topic S_th... told me ponzi promoter...

When he called me saying that's him I was like WTF...

This certainly doesn't sound like someone who "respects you a lot":



If you were trying to maintain a degree of separation from him, then why do you keep sending him merits?



Is this the other account in question? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156044

And this is the loan : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4485985.msg41280220#msg41280220

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Until today I did not know that it was him. The last 4 merit I sent to show hilari that I am showing you (him) my middle finger coz I am not what you are thinking.

Read the post I suggested for marlboroza

I wonder what happened to pkmoney between May 2014 and May 2018 (http://archive.fo/FhOTz). I think the hacking story might be true, just not in the way it's presented. Another case of someone losing English speaking abilities after an extended break. Staying off Bitcointalk seems to be dangerous.

I would like to see a message signed with this address (http://archive.fo/dzasP#selection-859.4-859.38): 191L2jowXk6YDDivu2xsdMTt5ycvjG4S7J

Yes that is.
I never posted because I didn't had a staked address which may LoyceV know because I asked him about bitcoin core. I never had used a qt wallet.
As far as I can remember, I had talked with him for exchanging something like $117/$119. Also I had lost my account. You can say both.
I'm trying to collect the tx of that transaction too.

Here it is- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/bfd316f507fca8eaa96e71d0af56d42a08d82c5c66aeb777f1d234cd70fa878c

I can give you a signed message from the privcy address adjusted in my account.

I am ready to answer anything you, hilari, lauda, loyceV, The Pharmacist ask from me.

By the way, ask krogothmanhattan if I my address is Bangladesh or not. He has my address but not have the right to disclose it. He can confirm that my address is not from Bangladesh. That does not mean that I don't stay in Bangladesh though.

Unedited post, good enough:

http://archive.fo/dzasP#selection-859.4-859.38

We have a lot of similitudes so far but not a real proof, but we have a precedent who can tell truth.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.msg31217052#msg31217052


If the boss will look at their IP history it may be confirmed or not.

I had mentioned in my previous post. I can give signed message from address which is adjusted in my profile.
Privcy

That's can work. Most of the time I log in from my pc and it's a broadband, therefore, it will be same. Although I sometime I use from my mobile which ip can be change(I have little idea about those)

Privcy and DeepOnion shilling happened later. I'm interested in the change of ownership between 2014 and 2018. Please tell us more about that.

I bought that account.

Imagine the scenario, if he would open his account in my house then theymos could see same IP.

... but luckily it did not happen (I am sure coz S_th... did not use my wifi) so I am happy. Ask theymos please to find the IP link (if any) in between mday and S_Th please.  

This is easily avoided by using different VPN servers for each account, using one account on PC with landline/fiber and the other via mobile data, using one account only via Tor, using one account over public or neighbor's wifi, etc.

If the IPs are consistently the same then it proves it, but if they are different then it doesn't disprove it.

Also consider this side too...

Exactly, this can prove if they are alts if they always have the same IP (also as you said it cannot prove if they are not alts due to VPN)
We have a chance to get the answer, but they seem overconfident about it so I think the IPs will result different between them.

Which is why I said "consistently". You said he's only been to your house once, which would explain his IP matching yours once. If his IP matches yours consistently, then we know you are lying.

But as I said, IPs not matching doesn't prove your innocence.

Wasn't he hacked at the time? Or did he visit you more than once?

@ suchmoon, Hilari, Lauda, LoyceV, The Pharmacist...

When alia had her issues I read that there were a demand for coming in live video to prove ownership. I can do that if S_th... has not issue with that. If S_th... do not know how to come live in google then I can teach him too.

is that something we can do?

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he visited once. I bought some BTC from him and he paid cash to me.

Buying hacked account and then gets hacked.

I suppose you need forum account to buy account which means that you have at least one more account somewhere.

It is not hard to tell your friend to do video call.

It's enough. I don't see any point of further discussion. Account buyer can't be trusted as well. There is lot of different between post quality of S_Therapist and pkmoney.

So when did that house visit happen? I'm thoroughly confused by your timelines.

Not that it matters much anymore. Just curious.

And I thought he came by to repay a loan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49212156#msg49212156), not to buy sell BTC.

Come on, we are talking about whether alt of mdaypnliner or not.

Yes, it's - utlptc

If you bought BTC from him, why was he also paying you in cash? Regardless, you just said earlier in this thread that he visited you to pay back the loan you had given him:



Which is it? He visited you so you could buy BTC from him or so he could pay back his loan?

Please read my last response.

Not my friend but someone I know, I trust, he respects me and I do respect him too.

The loan money was back using another payment method of the local.

He visited my house to sell his BTC for cash it was long after the loan things

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Please read the response for o_e_l_e_o

That idea came from alia, and would possibly have resulted in a video chat with an underage sex worker.
It won't disprove anything.

That depends on when it happened, there's a bought account on DT2 now.

Ok, let me ask this another way. Please post the TX ID of that BTC purchase.

I had this idea may help when you guys will see both of us live. You can ask us to do anything like any past conversation you guys had with me or with him. To verify. I m not sure but I am happy to do anything to prove that S_th.. and mday is not same owner.


I AM ME (mdayonliner), and hilari was wrong in everything about me. I admit that offering the $100K escrow was a mistake from my port but people do mistake right? That does not make people bad like the way people get idea about me from my rating.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/bfd316f507fca8eaa96e71d0af56d42a08d82c5c66aeb777f1d234cd70fa878c
I had shared it earlier.

Can I keep it private? or it's really necessary?

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update:
Ok so here you have it, above. I wanted to keep it private. Damn!

And you've been using it to cheat on forum giveaways:

Probably more then 1 bought account gonna be on DT over the next few months. With the new system in place almost everyone has a shot at being on DT that can meet the minimum requirements.

This is why I think maybe we should all think about tagging the same users as long as their offense has been proven. This was 1st mentions by EcuaMobi as you'll see in the quote posted below.




Side note for S_Therapist, I have stated in the bustadice campaign thread that with all the new changes to DT, I will give users til I grade the campaign this week to get their negative rep sorted out or they lose their spot and pay for the week. You need to work on proving your case if you can

I have been tagged for several cases. The only thing which is wrong here is- I'm alt of mdayonliner.

Lauda, Hilari, suchmoon, LoyceV, The Pharmacist (who else I missed)...

Please ask me questions (if any) about the alt issue.

WOW, that escalated quickly.  I'd tag you myself for admitting to account buying if I didn't think you'd been painted enough already.  You've done some good for the community in your short time here, but account trading is a no-no and you ought to realize that by now.

As an aside, Coolcryptovator is showing up on my "trusted feedback" list, which I find odd.  I understand how that happened--someone must've made him DT2--but seeing that was unexpected.  He hasn't been around all that long.

What else should be explained?  You either admit it's your alt or you don't, and I'm not sure there would be any way to really prove that both accounts aren't yours.  And also, it'd be better to keep all of this out in the open, IMO.

Oh, FFS.  This is why I tend to not completely trust any new member who starts out scam-busting.  I've seen this before with other members.  KeithBeeCham was one, and there's another whose name slips my mind right now.  That doesn't keep them away from the forum, though.  They just make new accounts and try again.  That's kind of what I'm expecting S-Therapist to do as well.  BOLO for similar behavior from a relatively new member in the future.

Please stop editing posts in this so fast discussion, it is hard to read and follow anything.

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This is loan spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DHCBCNeFURvow3dCRLAo3QyOAVcETUJ4wsaA7AisujI/edit#gid=0


This is repayment address, as stated in topic:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3K2EuEQGqFjtSTqvZRu77zMwgwZ4jicwKX

https://i.imgur.com/lwT9cPJ.png

There are two 0.0095BTC TX, one is https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/5bfcd743bb06ee22f580253a6d4190cf2a7f333da807930e3a258f6f0a11af26 and that is Real14hero's I guess https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4485985.msg43386062#msg43386062

And https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/430da8141795007d39f4f2f62a50f14e9cacba021b95c087767ec0b079670731 which I can't find. Whose loan repayment was this?

I've searched loan thread and couldn't find anything except real14hero and this hacked account of S_Therapist.

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2 different addresses  ???

It's not my alt.

I really have no idea which one is whos from this amount 0.0095. How it's relevant by the way? After losing all the money from my loan service I gave up from this lending shit. I don't want to remember any of this. I still regret for this lending service.

Anyway, I guess S_th... already proved with the transaction ID that the btc he sold to me for cash.

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Is there anyone who thinks that S_Therapist = mdayonliner anymore please?

@ Lauda, Hilari, suchmoon, LoyceV (I had partial answer from The Pharmacist though)

Yes, but S_Therapist admits in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49212865#msg49212865) that utlptc is his other account, and the one he initially used to buy the S_Therapist account.

Edit: *used to buy the pkmoney account. My mistake.

S_Therapist isn't a bought account and it's irrelevant here. You are discussing about mdayonliner= or ≠ me aka S_Therapist.

I wouldn't know at this time, so please do not seek an answer from me anymore. I'm not really siding in either direction; the only thing I'm certain of is S_Therapist's involvement in account trading, and I have acted accordingly.

Thank you. I don't see any tag from you on my profile. I will move to asking Hilari, suchmoon, LoyceV

Guys please...
Do you still think S_Therapist = mdayonliner?

Thanks in advance

Sorry, I missed that.

@S_Therapist can you prove this is your alt account?

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I am pretty sure you keep tracking who repaid you loan. Or, you are trying to convince us that you don't?


Whose repayment was this?

I am in agreement with this. That is how it should be.

pkmoney or utlptc?

Not sure what you asking...

https://i.imgur.com/StW3cnU.png
This is him. This raw is for the loan I gave to him. The tx was the tx I sent him the btc. I never documented the repayment addresses on the spreadsheet I guess.

I used to keep track on those when I had the business but since I left and accepted all those money gone why would I keep tracking the sheet. I in fact feel bad when I remember all those I money lost because I was too good to people. I easily trust people and the result is the lost BTC in my lending business.

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Update:
Ok wait.. let me see if I can

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Update2:

I believe it's him. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/430da8141795007d39f4f2f62a50f14e9cacba021b95c087767ec0b079670731
I sent the loan on 1/7, it was suppose to pay on 10/7 but he had to extend it to 15/7 but he was more late to pay. http://prntscr.com/m6n8ao

So I hope that was his repayment of the loan that was taken from me.

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Update: My question is how it's relevant? Does it has anything to do with proving that S_Therapist = mdayonliner?

Please read...

If at least one of you can sign a message with the sending or the receiving address I'll revise my feedback to neutral.

This is my address: 1M5XUuTj4ZusH8NuYSqXAktDypXHugzsmA and I sign the address. wait...

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Update:

Does this work?

I think mday can. Since I had used exchange for sending this, I can't.

Honestly I was inspired by you to leave feedback once I spent most of time on reputation. I really can't remember on which thread, you or some others encouraged me to leave feedback when I made lots of post about bounty abuser. I have remember one of your quote and I will never forget it;

Never mind I am on DT network or not but you will find me same like before. Obviously I will leave my feedback same like before and I will continue find scammer/abuser.  

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Although S_Therapist isn't a bought account but the person who hold that account, he is a account buyer.

I did @suchmoon please check my last post  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49214412#msg49214412)which was updated.

The signature checks out and I have revised the feedback as promised. Please don't misinterpret that as vindication. I still think you're alts but you're sufficiently good at it to leave no obvious definitive proof. I don't think you or your alt/friend/compatriot will be able to get out of the other red ratings so it's a moot point anyway, not worth my time.

I'm not trying to discourage you, and I'm not calling you any names, and I've seen how helpful you've been and how much merit you've earned--but you've been here less than a year, and I'm just hoping you're what you seem to be.  I've been fooled by folks doing exactly what you're doing early on in their bitcointalk days, i.e., busting scams and going out of their way to attract the attention of senior members.  Some of them have turned out to be dishonest, and that's why I made that comment.

Glad my post inspired you and that you didn't take offense to it.  I was unusually polite for some reason.  Must've been in a really good mood that day. 

Thanks for turning it to neutral.
Now I will try to break down the every evidence hilari has posted.

If someone asks about the same writing style-
Here in our country, English isn't used decently. I met mday and find him as a good poster in the forum. mday has spent some years outside Bangladesh and that's why his posting style is quite different from Bangladeshi people. I just started to follow him just to increase my english proficiency.

Calling hilari-
just a coincidence.

Using ~snip~
IIRC, I asked him somewhere or over phone what the fuck ~snip~ means?

Pointing out with red arrow-
It's easier to use this tool in windows. And someone mentioned somewhere here in this forum that people always use red color when they want to get attention, lol.

@coolcryptovator
I learned sup sub from emoneyspace which is also using SMF, afaik.

@marlboroza
I said I have followed mday and most of the time, I try to recall whether I have seen such posts or not. I remembered that one because I engaged in that thread by pkmoney
And yes I am a fan of him. I know him personally, like as he said, I trust him, respect him.

Thank you everyone.

Thanks to change the feedback but when you say...

Please take your time and ask me any other way to prove it that S_th... is not my alt. My suggestion is : How about I and S_Th... (if he does ofcourse) come on a google hangout, may be you guys come to any other media and ask questions from the experience. I am just not sure but I guarantee you that it's not my alt.

There should be a way mate...
Or may be some other day someone will create a topic against suchmoon and mday that they are alt (hypothetical). You and me can do nothing if anyone else leave the same feedback. I hope it make sense.

I don't have a magic 8 ball so I can't say for certain what you would have done but if I was a betting man and someone stupidly sent you a lot of money I'd say the likelihood that you would have just disappeared with it is very high. Regardless, I also don't really trust that sort of naivety that you think you are qualified to hold onto such an amount. It looked to me that there was an opportunity for you to get your hands on what is probably a life-changing amount of money and you got excited by the prospect of that. You've also tried to promote ponzis in the past and that was a big factor in my feedback because there's usually a certain type of greedy get rich quick shyster that gets involved with them and they don't care who loses out as long as it's not them and they're often the sort of people who would throw their own friend under a bus if it meant they could get a payout from it. Maybe you are the most honest person in the world and would chase someone down to give them the wallet they just dropped... or maybe you're the type that would open it up first to see what you could take. I guess we'll never know.


He was playing too naive which also made it very obvious to me. He was trying too hard to sound ignorant about certain things when it's obvious he already knew the answers and wasn't a 'new' account here.


If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, farts like a duck, then it's mdayonliner. Yes, all the 'evidence' I've presented could be coincidental, but when you add them together the odds that you're different people becomes astronomical. Within a couple of weeks I strongly suspected you were the same person just by how you typed and conducted yourself and that was before any of the 'evidence' or 'similarities' I spotted above. Three other people also made the same connection independent of me. Now, are we all mistaken or did we all just spot the same evidence/similarities? This whole, he was inspired by me shtick is ludicrous but I guess it's all you got to try explain away the similarities right now.


I think it's more weird that you didn't merit this account beforehand if it truly wasn't yours, but for whatever reason you decided to test the waters by meriting it but now you seem like you just want to go out in a blaze of glory as you have nothing to lose.


Theymos isn't going to get involved in little things like this, but using a proxy would be all you need to go undetected and I think you would have been smart enough to use one. Whether you did or not is another matter and one which we'll likely never know but you two not having same IPs is proof of nothing.


As I said back then this would prove absolutely nothing. What exactly are you going to do? Make a video with a random person going, yep, as you can see we are two different people.


I believe you are lying. It's not like you have anything to lose at this point but you know there's probably no blockchain proof so will keep the charade going as long as you can, but ironically you seem to be digging yourself deeper into a hole with all the excuses and now look where it's got you.

No, it doesn't make sense. The feedback has been revised and AFAIK no one else has neg-trusted you for that. So there's no point in pushing that.

If someone wants to accuse me of having alts I wish them good luck, and not in a sarcastic condescending way. It would be interesting to see which accounts are similar to me and it could be a good exercise in how much proof is enough.

Not sure what program they're using, but ShareX (arguably the best screenshot tool) has red colored arrows/boxes by default when drawing. I would not consider this a valid way of linking. mdayonliner seems to be using ShareX based on the arrow style, while S_Therapist seems to be using MS Paint to edit their photos.

Source: Am ShareX user (https://i.imgur.com/X094iYi.png)

Thanks for clarifying, but I still think the way they use them and boxes to highlight things are more than a coincidence, especially when you take into consideration everything else, though of course it's not unheard of and would mean little by itself. I also suspect he tried to throw in a few red herrings here and there by mixing some things up but it's hard to hide who you are fully and people can easily slip up (see hilari). The accusations in the op are probably a moot point now though seeing as he's been tagged for buying accounts.

Hilari, we are not playing win-lose game here. It's the truth which you are seeking.
What if I am 100% right? Which I AM.
Are you 100% sure about your justifications? It does not seem that you are.

Well find a way then. Why should I suffer and live with a false impression for your limitation?

Are you sure? 100%?

I have and it's S_Therapist = mdayonliner. mdayonliner is mdayonliner.

Please again we are not playing win-lose game. I have presented everything I could that was asked here so far. What else you want me to do. Just ask please?

Mate please read a bit... In my conscious mind I never disrespect any of the forum rule.

May be I should explain some old tap recording but this time a small summary:
- I made xtraelv so upset with my merit investigation that he has this mission to shut down which he did successfully.
- He manipulated information, gave bed impression to the community about me, dug my past which I left even long ago before I join the forum, manipulated those information.
- Your thought was biased (I guess) after seeing all those manipulated information presentation from xtraelv.
- You saw the escrow offer (I admit the mistake but it was not what you thought besides I really did not have the dept of what I was going to do. I thought why not just offer it) and without 2nd thought you suspected me and tagged me.
- The biggest win for xtraelv, Finally he was able to shutdown me.
- Then I guess he captured marlboroza's attention. Started to manipulate him too.
- So marlboroza heard and believed every comments xtraelv made against me. Ended up echoing you.


xtraelv was done nothing significant for the forum before I had my attention to him on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.msg36795713#msg36795713).

Here are some facts
- Check the topics he created before the event (only one) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3256150.msg33915761#msg33915761) and the topics he created after the incident(70-1 = 69 so far).
- He had 133 merit from which 100 were air dropped (meaning he was a Member ranked) and 33 merits from another of his mate and Lafu.
- His 2nd oldest topic started with me.

Suddenly what has changed that he got all the merits, started to post good topics etc etc? If I say it was planned to shut me down because I left him the red tag? Man can do anything if they want. Example: S_th... took my inspiration and resulting a great achievement before this topic.

I am sure one of your adviser is xtraelv. In that case remove the thoughts he put in your mind and investigate the facts about him. What if your thoughts were manipulated. I am sure you care about the decisions you make because it matters for the community.

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I use lightshot See: https://prnt.sc/m6ol40

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Update:
2nd topic: http://prntscr.com/m6ondq
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=897509;sa=showPosts;start=60

No, but I'm pretty sure. I can't be 100% sure that unicorns don't exist, but they almost certainly don't.


My thoughts weren't manipulated by anyone so lets not go down that avenue. I came to the conclusion independently long before anyone else said anything to me. It's not like these seeds were planted by anybody with or without a vendetta. Yes, xtraelv also made the connection and alerted me about it but he wasn't the first or last. In fact, he suggested we leave you be and give you a second chance and I agreed because that's what I was going to do anyway. That doesn't really sound like someone out to get you to me.

I thought you were seeking the truth.

If you are pretty sure that water is solid and then when someone proves you that water is liquid but you keep saying water is solid just because you know you can say it and there are no one to ask you questions. You bring some ice and tell him that see it's solid and finally deny because you realize you have the right to deny. This does not make water solid actually. Water is still liquid and that's the truth.

Notice I said xtraelv is one of your adviser which means I surely know that there are few more. Well I can give you the names (but can not be sure if they really are). I really made decent enemies in the forum from the merit investigation topic.

What if it's planned just to give you the feeling that he is very kind.
 
Have you verified my claims...

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Listen mate: I will not stop until you change the topic title. Because you are lying when you are saying S_Therapist = mdayonliner. You can mark me ponzi promoter (I can not change my past), you can humiliate me saying I offered $100K escrow (which I did and that was an noob mistake from my side) I will accept all those which I did silently by the way (yes sometimes I made voice but it did not work).

But this one is different, I am not S_Therapist and that's the fucking truth. Find a way to accept the truth. Better read the entire topics so far, my answers to the questions asked by others, S_Therapist's answer, the posting timing from him and me etc etc. There should be something for you to find the truth if you are really looking for the truth.

Stop thinking that you know everything. I am not sure about what others are thinking but I know you are 100% wrong when you are thinking I am S_Therapist . I am doing my everything just to keep my respects that I have for you. Don't lose it very easily. It took you time to earn it.

I remember getting into an argument with xtraelv about this but to suggest that he went on to conduct some elaborate revenge scheme is just ridiculous. You sound like a crazy person. There doesn't seem to be anything you can do to change anyone's mind, not with this conspiracy theory demeanor anyway.

I'm posting what I think based on observations. It is my opinion that S_Therapist = mdayonliner and I'm obviously not the only one who saw this and I'm still fairly certain that you are alts despite your protestations. The whole it's my friend excuse is the same type of nonsense plagiarists come out with and I don't buy it for a second but I doubt you'll ever drop that stance unless some other evidence appears.


Please stop with the nonsense. This is completely irrelevant. You haven't proved anything except trying to cast doubt. You are more likely just trying to spread disinformation and lies. All I have is what I've stated in the op but all you have is claiming that they're just coincidences. When there's too many coincidences things just start to add up.


This doesn't have anything to do with enemies. They can't be that great an enemy if they're willing to suggest you be left alone and given a second chance.


Come on now. What would he gain from that. If he had a burning hatred for you he would have took the first opportunity to shit on you.
 

This is irrelevant to anything here. The topic isn't xtraelv. The topic is you. Stop trying to divert. Take xtraelv out of the conversation and things are exactly the same except the number of people who made the same conclusion has gone down by one.


I'm not lying. It's what I strongly believe, and I still think you're lying out of desperation. I'm not going to change the title just because you don't like it.


Stop claiming that I think I know everything because I don't and I've never claimed such a thing. People can still debate the topic if they like but I think the majority of people here would side with me in the belief that you two are very likely one and the same but it's probably going to be impossible to convince me otherwise because I know what I see and all we have to say otherwise from you is "it's not me" (but it is a friend, one that's been to your house, and talks exactly like you).


I don't care whether you respect me or not. I'm sure I'm already on your imaginary "enemy" list anyway.

Exactly.
Actually, according to new trust ratings you are fine:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468
But I am not really sure because according to him quickseller is trying to improve forum  :-\

...other alt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47247820#msg47247820) accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47248860#msg47248860) - someone accidentally copy/pasted twitter report before  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47253440#msg47253440)it was posted on forum  ::)

I checked all 3 accounts(hacked included) and I am not convinced that they are not alt accounts, however, there is no rock solid proof that they are alt accounts ::)

Either S_Therapist may or may not be an alt of mdayonliner.  But I strongly believe that they are an alt of someone familiar here who has used the forum quite few months. I suspected in his early days of the account creation and by going through your posts it is clear that he should be a guy who has already learned how the forum works and have created another account to do something suspicious. A newbie would never come here and talk about Reporting spams, Default Trust scoes and merits in a week. I am not the guy who is really willing to get involved in forum politics like exposing alts, scams etc. But I always felt like someday someone might expose you. You cannot defend that you came straight to this forum without having knowledge about how forum works.

Mday seems to be a good guy quite a few times and those red paint would have been changed to neutral and then to green someday. But you ruined yourself by creating lots of alts and trying to gain what you lost (reputation). Trust isn't something which comes in a year or two unless you have made some real serious trades worth thousands of USD.

After similar incidences it is obviously clear that "anyone trying to become popular and gain trust within a month or two is not to be trusted, probably would be an alt account and would be painted red sooner" Some popular alts which was trying to gain trust and misfired

[1] Zapo alt of Atriz
[2] Alia alt of favors
[3] S_Therapist alt of ???

You may not be mday (while there are no concrete evidences to prove that), but you are an alt of someone familiar here. (and neither not pkmoney)

Check the quote below to see what he answered regarding his absence.

I don't poke myself into every thread but read a lot and enjoy these interesting and funfilled movies.
That adds some real spices to the popcorn to make it flavour rich. Here is a quote which will take the screenplay faster. ;D ;D

I suspect pkmoney is already an hacked account who suddenly came back after 4 years of inactivity and was trying to prove his nonsense

But this friendly relationships looks quite better than the common idiot-in-law and bullshit-in-law relationships seen commonly in this forum.  :)

Pkmoney doesn't seem to have knowledge in forum related stuffs. That confirms you might not be pkmoney. You are lying to cover your previous acts. If you are not mday, you are someone familiar in this forum. You might not be pkmoney, considering your knowledge about how forum works.
utlptc is a shitposter and bounty hunter, you don't seem so. This shows that you are neither pkmoney or utlptc

P.S this is not really great case of a scammer or someone really very popular to make theymos check your IP and prove you are innocent. You are an ordinary guy, alia was supported by theymos in early days which urged him expose the IP evidences.

@ Heisenberg_Hunter
utlptc is my first account which has been created for participating DeepOnion signature. And later I attempted to buy an account, and the result is pkmoney. I was noob back in the days. You can check I have tried to hunt merit from that account by creating thread- List of shitposters. Anyway, I lost the access of that account later.
And came up with S_Therapist.
Your accusation-
I'm not pkmoney or utlptc.

Well, in that case, if someone asks me to sign a message from the Privcy address of pkmoney, I can.
if somewhere in utlptc account, I left DeepOnion address still I can sign message, IIRC, I do have all the private keys of those addresses.

And about the forum concerning issue which make you guys thought like I am someone extremly experienced,
- I can't remember I have done something special other than writing a few Explained article which can be done by a member who spend couple of days with an intention to learn those. It's easy, everything was explained in a little complicated way, I just had made easy to understand. That's it. It doesn't require extraordinary knowledge or spent couple of month/year.

Hey mate, thanks for the kind words. Can you address the bold above especially "lots of alts"? mdayonliner, mday_alt  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2406023)(which I created to help my local community)... what else in your mind?

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Which 3 accounts? You are talking to me or to S_th...?

You are bringing up some old issues those were proven wrong. May be you missed the ending...?

- His reaction to the accusation makes me think that they are not his alts. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47537895#msg47537895)
-The Pharmacist removed the tag. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg47627988#msg47627988)
- Thanks The Pharmacist. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5048262.msg48212702#msg48212702)

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Your observation failed to see the other possibilities...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49211821#msg49211821

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I am not S_Therapist how do I prove it?
-# Gave the reference how I met S_Th..
-# Confirmed the loan repayment transaction
-# Singed the address which S_Th.. sold BTC for cash when he came to my home
-# In fact read the first reply (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49208468#msg49208468) # (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49208936#msg49208936) of me in this topic. I was making fun and actually inviting S_th.. waiting for him to come and answer, I was also seeing the responses from others and smiling to see all the connection they are making and statements they were giving about the topic .

Other day in another topic S_th... called me ponzi promoter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093681.msg49082146#msg49082146) which I took as an insult but did not really respond to that topic. S_th... was just a stranger to me and I left it thinking that another guy who feels good insulting me. I wanted him to take the heat from this topic. 

When I was dealing with the responses on this topic yesterday and some PM with some other forum members then he called me on my phone and said it's him (S_th.. is him). It was both surprising and shocking for me. See the responses (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49211371#msg49211371) after I learnt that S_th... is someone I know.

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Not irrelevant in fact very relevant since you said S_Therapist = mdayonliner is your observation. You saw ice and came to conclusion that water is sold. The truth is: water is liquid. You observation was not wrong but that does not make water solid.

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Where are the too many? I see you bought up 3. All are correct as you see but that does not make S_Therapist = mdayonliner.

S_th... said he followed my style so calling hillary, using similar pattern to point anything in an image were just came from the inspiration of following me.
Bangladesh have 164.7 million (2017) population. There is only one mdayonliner
So where are the coincidences?

As I said earlier, I was both surprised and shocked when he said it was him yesterday. I was also feeling both happy and sad. Happy to think that there are people around who admire me, likes me. Felt sad because I was seeing another account was going to ruin because there is a connection with me.

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Did not try to divert but wanted to give you some facts about him in your knowledge.

- Topic before after: Yes
- 133 merit. 33 earned, sent from Lafu and other guy:  Yes
- 2nd oldest topic: Yes
Anyone can verify those. These are not just observations but facts too. You can not change it.

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Not yet, because I still believe whatever you are saying is saying because you believe it. However I am starting to think that you had your pre-made up mind and this pre-made up mind is influencing your actions, your justifications. Believe and Truth are not the same.

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All I am requesting is: Please empty your mind. Leave the bads aside about me, I am not saying think me good too, just stand in a neutral ground about me before justifying me. Then
- 1. Study my responses in this topic, the answers I left for others.
- 2. Study the responses from S_th..., check posting times. Things were happening so fast that it is leterally impossible for anyone to response from two account at a time in this topic. Are you getting my point?

I hope you and other who are observing will find some clue from #2.
Hilari, again I am telling the truth... S_Therapist = mdayonliner is not true. mdayonliner is ME the mdayonliner. Please seek the truth you will find it.

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PS: Once I will start doubting your mind I will stop debating with you. I will seek an investigation from the community because the truth is that S_Therapist is not mdayonliner. This is how an investigation should work...

- Accuser (You are saying S_Therapist = mdayonliner)
- Defender (Me fighting to establish the truth which is S_Therapist is not my alt)

In a court the Accuser presents his evidences, the Defender presents his evidences, a jury makes the decision based on the evidence they are likely to stay neutral. If you ask an accuser to give the decision then he will always speak for him that he himself is always right and likewise the defender will do the same.

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Hilari,
I am respectfully advising you to remove any pre-made up thoughts you have for me, empty your mind and try again. You have done a lot good for the forum, for the community because you have proven you can. But that is not gonna change the truth about me. S_Therapist = mdayonliner is not the truth.

Thank you.

I'm not getting into the depths of this, but shortening his name to a birds name is pissing me off. Word of advice, don't change someones name to a nickname (that they don't use elsewhere) when you want something as there is any chance it will piss them off.

I never thought it that way. By saying hilari I never wanted to disrespect him. I was calling it as a friendly manner. May be it's the cultural difference. I have friend name shahidul I call him shaz it's like that. By the way I got your point. Thank you.

This is true.  People refer to me as 'TP', which usually makes me roll my eyes since in my country it's an abbreviation for toilet paper.  You might as well refer to me as Asswipe, and I'm sure some members have worse nicknames in mind for me.  But I get it.  Typing out long usernames is annoying sometimes, which I've pointed out in the case of o_e_l_e_o.

This has turned out to be quite a thread.  Either mdayonliner and S_Therapist are telling the truth or they're lying to the community in a very extreme fashion.  I don't know what to think--not that it would make a difference.  I had no tag on mdayonliner, so I wouldn't tag S_Therapist if that was the former's alt.  Still have the popcorn in hand, but it's less entertainment than it is a weird situation.

I did read it.  I'm not sure how you can prove a negative in this case, though, which seems to be what you're trying to do.

Please read my response for TMAN in my last post.

I will prove it that mdayonliner which is me telling the truth and S_Therapist the person is also telling the truth when he is saying S_Therapist is not mdayonliner.

TRUTH IS THAT S_Therapist is not mdayonliner and I will establish it today or tomorrow. I can not change my past (my ponzi things), I can not change the mistake I have done (offering over $100k) but I can change it because this is the truth.

I have Typed it out and laughed, knowing me I probably still posted it..

1) There are a number of investigations that I worked on in the background.  Being Dyslexic means it takes effort to type and correct mistakes. It is easier to help others and let them to the write up. I worked on some complex investigations that often took many months to research. Some published on BCT and some elsewhere.

2) The Cryptopia forum closed which is where I was very active.

3) Eddie13 mentioned the Hatfield -McCoy rivalry between Cryptopia and BCT. It made me look closer to what this forum had to offer. Before checking out the historical threads I had a low opinion of the forum.

4) The only threads I was active in were the same threads that Lafu was active in.  I have never met Lafu in person - although I have chatted with him on discord on a number of occasions.  I also have never met Cryptodevil who also gave me merit. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptodevil He also happens to be a DT.

5) Starting topics is not a measure of success. Often a topic already exists and it is better to respond in such a thread.

Make a new topic and talk about your shits. Here I am talking about S_Therapist = mdayonliner issue.

Update:

Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097177.0
Do your shit there. Not here.

I have given my statement here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49209914#msg49209914) about this accusation. But I still strongly believe they are alt each other. Although my believe doesn't mean they are alts. Nobody still not tag them for alt account. I have tag S_Therapist as a account buyer and he is the person who bought account and self admitted. I am not sure I will be on DT or not after final implementation but I am not going to change my mind right now. I don't know about other DT they will remove their feedback or not, it's depend on them. I am not sure "S_Therapist" account bought or not but the person who hold the account, he is account buyer. Since account buying allow by forum, I will keep observe S_Therapist account. If he continue his contribution on right way then I will think about feedback. May be it will neutral or remain same as negative. Since The Pharmacist did before and give them second chance on few case.
This is my final statement and I am not forcing anyone to accept that they are alt each other. I describe my opinions only.

Was just responding to your accusations in this thread.

There is no reason to make another useless thread.

Fuck off I am having conversation with hilariousetc and others here.  If you have anything to say about yourself go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097177.0

Unlike you I'm not really that interested in talking about myself.

https://i.imgur.com/JuAC7gE.png

Holy crap! Moron go to here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097177.0

And make you next comment. Just STFU from here.

There were reason coz in any topic about me you always come in the middle and bring a diversion. Start talking about your sickness and other shits. I am sorry you are sick but that does not change the truth that you wanted to destroy me. This does not change the fact that before I have my attention to you, you were nothing here. You did not even like the community.

If you make stupid accusations about me in a thread I will respond to them in that thread.  It is you that makes the diversions. What does it have to do with S_The rapist being your alt ?

I never set out to destroy you. You are doing a fine job of that all by yourself.

I was silent when you trying to escrow & begging for merit. You also had numerous issues when you joined the forum.

Liked the space  :D

Huh? What? I don't even know how to comment this.

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Huh? I am very confused at the moment.

He repaid you loan and then he again repaid you loan? Who does that  ???

Can you please specify the question please. You are making me confuse now.


When I said that I confirmed the loan repayment transaction I mean this... (Read the 2nd update of this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49214104#msg49214104))

You asked me something like that there are two payment for 0.0095BTC.

Then I said... "I really have no idea..." - I did not want to go back and check the spreadsheet that time.

Oh wait... I got it now...
The loan money was back using another payment method of the local.
- Sorry this was wrong.... He paid me the loan back in BTC.

Edited quotes a bit(whose repayment is this - asked 2 times, forget to quote second one)




^Edited with second post

marlboroza can you please be a bit more specific? I am losing you in all these quotes and board lines....


The local payment I said was wrong... he did not pay me using the local payment method.

He paid in BTC. And repayment TX is https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/430da8141795007d39f4f2f62a50f14e9cacba021b95c087767ec0b079670731

Everything is posted in correct chronological order (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49230871#msg49230871). It is not so hard to read from top to bottom.

This point was proven right not wrong. You're the only person who called me hilari. On three different accounts. Fact. It obviously became a habit for you and was a tell-tale screw up. 


Again, none of this is proof of anything at all.


So what are the odds that out of 164.7 million Bangladeshis I (and multiple others) can randomly spot two of them who know each other that just so happen to post on a bitcoin forum by mere observation. This whole he's inspired by me thing is utter bullshit. Yesterday these were two random and unconnected accounts. Now you suddenly know each other and you're his idol and inspiration and he just wants to be like you hence why he walks and talks like you.


Of course I believe it. Nothing was pre-made. I suspected you were the same from the get-go and that just became even more apparent over time. It's what I've observed for months. You're trying to tell me something that walks and quacks like a duck is a dog. A dog that is inspired by the duck and hence why it quacks and waddles, but it's definitely not a duck. The duck and dog know each other though. And are from Bangladesh. But they're not the same.


::) Study the responses of the same person desperately trying to convince everyone he's two different people here by claiming nonsense? It's not literally impossible at all. It's literally possible and you've been doing it on purpose just to try make up some nonsensical "facts" as to why you can't be the same. Type two messages out and post them at the same time or one after the other. Are you really this stupid and desperate now?

mdayonliner logic:

Look, these are clearly two different people:

https://babyccinokids.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/walkietalkies1.jpg

BTW, that's literally what you look like to me right now.

Anyway, I see no point in discussing this because you're obviously just going to stick with the same old bullshit and I'm not going to change my mind unless some new evidence comes to light (and you two posting at the same time along with all the other irrelevant nonsense isn't going to cut it).

Well ok then...

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I am seeking an investigation from the forum members who were/are watching this topic. The members who can stand in a neutral ground. I believe there are a lot of member who are able to think and act neutral. There are a lot of members who do not fear debating with a DT like hilariousetc. They are not afraid to speak the truth when they see it. I need only those members please.

You do not have to support me, sympathy me or show any favor to me. Please do the same for hilariousetc too. Do not ignore any fact or do any favor just because hilariousetc is a DT and very old member. Please be always aware that you will be talking based on the evidences. The truth is counting on you. I will accept the justice whatever it is but please again PLEASE make sure you guys are doing the right thing.

Can I see some members to step up to be the Jury? please...

There are some members who will never find themselves in the neutral ground (which I believe). With all due respect, I will request them not to be the part of the jury. So, the list of members that are not fit to be the Jury:
xtraelv
marlboroza (I am sorry but I strongly believe your opinions are biased by xtraelv)
TheUltraElite (sorry mate, in some occasions I found you feel better by insulting me. I really don't know why it happened)
AdolfinWolf (sorry mate, I think you really have issues with me. Again not sure what I did to you)
digaran (not sure he is around but no disrespect mate)
bigmelons25 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38101775#msg38101775)
DigBick <= Not sure if I spelled the user correctly

There may be few more but above are enough to avoid. I believe this people will never find in a neutral ground. I found (believe from heart) they always wanted to humiliate me.

I will welcome hilariousetc too if he has any preference, if he also wants anyone to exclude or whatever. Please feel free. Make it a fair ground for both of us.

I am going to create an investigation topic in the investigation section in one or two days.  I will bring some evidences there to support my claim on that topic.

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So, it's clear: I am convinced that hilariousetc has a very poor judgement. He has failed to see the truth, perhaps he never tried enough. I am worried how many forum members are victim of his poor judgements. Anyway that's not my concern at the moment.

With due respect hilariousetc, please from now on -  do not argue with me or ask me any question. If you have any then ask the Jury. Give the evidences or whatever you have to the Jury. Also I hope you will not make fun of me, for you it could be funny but it may offend me. I hope we both are man enough to respect each others.

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I need someone who can...
- provide me the data for post history of mdayonliner and S_Therapist please. Post history from October 04, 2018 to till now. (It's the date when S_Therapist  started)
- If it's possible to have a graphical view of the posting time for both users.

LoyceV is it possible for you mate? I know you are the data warehouse.  :)

Thanks

With all these alt accounts, bought accounts, farming accounts, ponzi promotion, brother promoting frauds in youtube channel, family supporting scammers, friends cheating bounties, exchanging merit with friends'an'family I can't tell what is true and what isn't, maybe you are not alt accounts, maybe you are building their accounts, maybe you are not, maybe they are following you, maybe you all have the same posting style, maybe you are following each other, but thing is, S_Therapist is at the moment connected with this account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2313339;sa=showPosts and just scroll down and see how thread looks like, and that makes 5 connected accounts(at the moment). 2 have been tagged for account trades, 2 have been tagged for abusing bounties and I have proof, because:

S_Therapist said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1460928 ultpc is his alt account which he used to buy account pkmoney

maybe this is name
http://archive.is/rYgvC

Maybe this is twitter and telegram and name:

http://archive.is/3dlQe

maybe this is name and twitter:

Maybe this twitter doesn't exist
http://archive.is/zsUki

Maybe this is his another alt account

Maybe he admitted:


Maybe this twitter https://twitter.com/BanglayCrypto is alive http://archive.is/r9VHA

https://i.imgur.com/YbVILuV.png

Maybe this is his youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/icobangla http://archive.is/P88Xx

Maybe if I click channels I see this

https://i.imgur.com/3T33B0G.png

Or maybe this:

https://i.imgur.com/K9uu57h.png

Crazy, you will find who this is in investigation board.

Maybe someone is here longer than we think:

https://i.imgur.com/lcPrJu9.png

Or,


http://archive.is/VYfHz

https://deeponion.org/community/threads/weekly-bounty-requests-thread-week-33.31080/
http://archive.is/Frzfl


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1460928 --->  utlptc



Maybe you are just another farming ring.

You sound like cryptohunter now and that's not a good thing. May I suggest that you take a break from the forum, 2-3 weeks, a nice road trip perhaps? Or a hike in the mountains. That's what I do when I feel that modern hyper-connectivity is getting the better of me. But at the very least stop digging the fucking hole. Funny as it is to watch - it won't give you what you want.

This is some incredible investigative work. Even if these accounts are not owned by the same person, they are owned by the same two or three people who farm accounts, abuse bounties, and promote ponzis/scams for their own benefit.

Very interested to hear the response to this.

You wouldn't believe it, but I was actually trying to find solid proof that they are not alt accounts. Problem is, I couldn't find anything in S_Therapist's posting history so I moved to account he said it is his alt account.  :-\
Or I missed something, I don't know.
Maybe S_Therapist can say a word of two.

He's hijacked thread :D :D :D

I've said this before but it bears repeating (don't ban me for plagiarism please): don't ever get on marlboroza's bad side. If this is what he does just trying to help, imagine what would happen if you really annoy him :)

I literally (https://xkcd.com/725/) cannot wait.

What the hell is this jury thing all about? You're not El Chapo and you're not on trial. Stop being melodramatic. Getting x amount of people to say I don't think they're alts (or even vice versa) isn't going to prove anything nor would you accept the verdict if it wasn't the desired outcome. Most neutral people probably don't care about this enough but I think most outsiders who look over the op will probably feel something like the following:

Yes, there's a very good chance they're alts. No, there's currently not enough evidence to tag them so so I'll stay out of it. Several outsiders have already stated something similar, but I don't care if 99% of the forum thinks I'm wrong because I know what I see and I think you're almost certainly alts even if an equal or greater amount disagrees with me. If you want to go play judge and jury go create another thread for your silly jury selection, but the outcome will be irrelevant and no jury is completely neutral (especially made up of members here) and that's the problem with juries. What happens when the jury is made up mostly idiots (or your "friends")? People will judge you off all sorts of things. Some people will find you guilty as soon as they lay eyes on you because they don't like the way you look. Well, he looks like a criminal so he probably did it. Well, she's a pretty woman I don't think she could have ever done that crime. This guy is an immigrant and I don't like immigrants. Guilty.


I'm not sure the person who offers to escrow 100k deals is a good barometer for good judgement. You mean I've failed to be blinded by your bullshit and take your nonsense into account. It's only your opinion that I haven't seen the 'truth' and all we have is your word for it. I think you're lying through your teeth and will continue to do so.

These things all look familiar:  ::)


Same line breaks as well:


Snippity snip:



I suppose this is just another protege?

I mostly don't give a hoot because they are both already red-tagged to hell regardless of this alt connection..
I don't see why they care so much either because their accounts are shot anyway. Maybe they care because they aren't really alts but I don't really because they are both already overwith..


New accounts being so ambitious to gain merits and trust, to get in with the forum police crowd, are extremely suspicious to me and I hope everyone keeps their eyes peeled..
Their are others I am suspicious of too but these ones are in the past..

Edit: Thanks for the drama thread though.. I had a good read all day after I woke up to multiple PMs from S_Therapist after my post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095944.msg49186163#msg49186163) the other day..

I wholly agree. The people who are desperate to gain 'trust' here are often going to use it for all the wrong reasons. I never came to this forum thinking I really want to be trusted and I'm sure most other very 'trusted' users here felt the same. Trust and rep is just something you build up naturally over time and should be irrelevant to most people but a lot of people seem to want it ASAP so it'll probably help them financially (whether they're just going to use it to gain an advantage in legitimate business or use the supposed 'trustworthiness' to scam at a certain point). This is partly why I really don't trust op. He seems to really just want a trusted account at whatever the cost. Would he have tried to use that trust to pull some sort of scam at some point ? Who knows, but like I said before, ponzi promoters aren't exactly the most moral of people. 


He doesn't like me for obvious reasons and I think he's just trying to prove a point or make out like I'm being ignorant and blinded to the truth. The irony is he's tried to distance himself from the allegations so much he's just brought more scrutiny onto the accounts and that they are in fact linked (even if it's just on a "friend" level).

It seems like a misguided attempt to deflect but it's backfiring bigly because marlboroza.

Make it simple:

- mdayonliner is my main account,
- mday_alt is an alt I created to do some works for my local community and finally
- mahimonliner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1167568) is my brother's account.

Haven't I accepted all above all the time? Did I ever hesitate to state mday_alt is not my alt and mahimonliner is not my brother's account. I also said, I was introduced to this forum by my younger brother and that's him mahimonliner.

About the rest of the connections: Non of them are mine mate. You can link it however you want but truth is - non of them are mine.

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Suchmoon, do you feel that I am angry?
Every word I wrote on my last message to response hilariousetc - I was calm and thinking sharp.
I would leave this if I was really S_Therapist = mdayonliner.
I would do the same like you advised if I was really S_Therapist = mdayonliner.
My response the xtraelv shows my anger because I can not stand him but this does not reflect when I communicate with others. Like to you, marlboroza others even hilariousetc.

What I want is to establish the truth which is S_Therapist not mdayonliner. Nothing else. A truth will always stand out sooner or later.

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When you say "they", I don't know which accounts you are meaning but I can assure you that this is what I want. I care because this is what I am...

mdayonliner is me
mday_alt is my alt
mahimonliner is my younger brother

Apart from all the above - everything else about alt account related to me are wrong. That's what I care about.

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I am still waiting for some data from LoyceV. I really need the data to move forward. LoyceV please mate.

Thanks

Just found this thread and I was like ???
At first I really thought that S_Therapist was an alt of somebody for he became one of the quality posters in no time, Just when I look back a newbie has being held like a pro then just a few moments he literally became one.

But still I'm not into this issue, just want to clarify if S_Therapist is the original account of whom?  This account is quite amusing, and so mdayonliner was,

When did he get those Red thing again? And when S_Therapist started to register here? Still confused but the fact that both accounts where really a quality poster I guess I can just watch over here and wait for further news :P . I envy you people for your knowledge and quality posts but not the sorry feeling of getting Red.

I admire S_Therapist for the ability he exposed to the community. Earning 200+ merits in this short time is not that easy. It does not give any less credit to him for his past. Sure he took this forum very seriously for his personal development and he proved it that anyone can digest knowledge if they want. I am proud of him and I am happy to think that I was able to inspire him at the same time I feel sorry that he had to get all these because of the connection with me.

Hack I did not even know that it was him who I knew before LOL

Same here, I did notice his rep suddenly went through a major spike. This is getting interesting!

Well we really can't help about being tagged even if you are really  stating the truth. The fact that, if you were  already accused for being an alt, DTs will be tagging you immediately, same thing happened to my Sister's account and with his colleague resulting their accounts being banned from here. They've been suspected for being alts of one another, just because my sister did a copy of a message of vinz back then for yahoo.  Well, its true that she did a mistake but I dont get this why they've been banned. Oh well, past is past, I just hope the negs on S_Therapist can be removed.

copy/pasting is an offence here which results a ban. If your sister would have copy the same guy and if the guy was not someone know to her then also she would get banned. Because the point is she copy/pasted someone else. I hope it make sense.

If something is not true then you should always stand for it. I am standing here because telling S_Therapist = mdayonliner is a not true it's a blatant lie.

Just popping up to say that if you do a general research on the forum with "hilari" as key word, it's very strange but the ONLY posts showing up are indeed from S_Therapist  mdayonliner.

Note that contrary to most of you guys I'm not code-fluent. You maybe have done already far better research.

But it's strange how only those two show up with such simple research.

Try with "hilary"

digaran: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4542394.msg41052406#msg41052406

Seems like I also used "hilary" too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4626881.msg41802984#msg41802984

Now please read this... Thank you.
D is digaran by the way

You know we're on a forum right?

Everything we communicate is written... Orthograph and grammar are important and show a good part of one's personnality and background.

Yeah but, the point is that hilari is only used by you two.

I have seen people call hilariousandco and hilariousetc as hilarious and thats including me, but I only S_Therapist and mdayonliner are the ones using "hilari" to call out hilariousandco which is kinda odd as I don't think the same two people will have the same unique nickname to a person. Hilarious is for me pretty standard as it is the first thing that will pop out when you want to shorten a name of a member here like when I mention the name Yahoo everyone knows I am referring to yahoo62278 in the forum.

I don't know if you're angry but you're posting crazy things, demanding investigations, etc. You certainly know enough about this forum to understand that there is no way to prove that two accounts are not alts of the same person.

On the other hand, marlboroza did an investigation and you haven't addressed the findings, other than a crude denial.

All you're gonna achieve by bumping this thread is making sure that more people know about your shenanigans. No one in their right mind would come out of this thread thinking having a better opinion of you than before. Which is fine by me but probably not the result that you want.

With the investigations made by marlboroza, you seem to be a account farmer, with S_Therapist account being the famous one among the others (there might be another account hiding among us). While other accounts seems to be shitposting and abusing bounties, S_Therapist and the possible main account may be trying to gain reputation. Your shady behavior and the owning of alts doesn't seem to be trustworthy. Jrashid account has participated in the second week of ICOForums Eth based campaign, and the S_Therapist account came from nowhere to bump a 2 month old thread to confirm the status of payments.

phantiennghia, nguyenthanhhieu, quangtrung1991
Well there are no evidences to prove that you own those accounts or they may have used your info to frame you! But on the whole, you could have just been aside with these huge escrow deals for another year or so, until you have gained reputation for yourselves. Even experienced escrows like OG and MJ might think a little before escrowing such huge amounts. Though your intentions could have been true to offer a safe one, $100k is literally huge and may change you to run away with that. During the start of accusations, you argued that S_Therapist was a random guy from the forum. But later on, you said he worshiped you and he is your fan, and now its your brother 'mahim' seems to be associated with S_Therapist youtube channel based on marlboroza investigations. This newer case of S_Therapist connection will just put you into another hectic trouble I believe.  :(

Interesting topic, finally something not about new DT system :D.
Proofs tell that S_Therapist is an alt of of mdayonliner. Is it not strange that from over 2 millions forum users only you two are calling hilariousandco as hilari? And as @Heisenberg_Hunter said, in this thread you had mixed answers who is S-Th is for you. First you said that he is random unknown guy and later that he even been to your home. But after all I'm still not sure that both accounts are owned by the same person. I think only KYC verification can clear doubts in this investigation. Just kidding lol.
What is more than clear - S_Therapist is an alt account of someone. I can't imagine legitimate newbie instantly coming to Meta to make his first posts. For example thread about that Lauda are no longer DT member just after few days of registration. It's obvious that guy under this account aren't new here. Maybe it's mdayonliner, but I don't see strong enough proofs which would prove it without any doubts.

Hello mate here are the the statistics as you requested (I hope this what you are looking for, please let me know if more details needed)

Postings stats for mdayonliner and S_Therapist from October 04, 2018 until today January 16, 2019:

User	Total Posts
mdayonliner	280
S_Therapist	582

Well I'm not sure which time zone you guys are in but I will post the posting pattern as GMT/UTC

mdayonliner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468;sa=showPosts):
https://i.imgur.com/rgeQp8R.jpg
https://imgur.com/rgeQp8R

S_Therapist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2423416;sa=showPosts;)
https://i.imgur.com/FmvzTQW.jpg
https://imgur.com/FmvzTQW

Thanks man.

From that we can conclude that the two of them are different because S_Therapist is clearly a never sleeping vampire.

More seriously I doubt we can do anything to prove anything and that's not the goal of the topic.

The trust system isn't about proving anything in front of a judge. The trust system is about are the member of the community thinking you're honest and decent enough to deal with.

As Suchmoon said, I don't think your answers on this thread are helping you with this.

hell of a thread! but nothing new... have seen worst accusations and defending wars here...

I was sleeping (for months) and woke up by PM from mdayonliner asking for stats similar to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3902045.msg37608491#msg37608491

Anyway I spent 1+ hour reading and going through all the posts in this thread

Here is my question to mdayonliner are you sure you making it simple by admitting below?


Well you have been asking people what they think about if S_Therapist = mdayonliner? I hope you won't mind my judgment too

Facts:
1. You both are friends and know each other
2. You both have alts and you have admitted this
3. You have same style of writing e.g. shortening the usernames

Assumptions:
1. You been teaching S_Therapist how to earn mertis
2. You have been helping him in writing his posts
3. You have his password to help him grow (logging with his account on and off)


I believe you! you are not an alt of S_Therapist, but its clear you both are working together very closely (towards the same goal ______________) and you might be helping him by writing also.

Mate, I owe you the kindness big time. When I left you the PM i never thought that I will get a response coz the last time I saw you were active around the last September. I only left the message out of hope. Thank god that it reached you and thank you for the data. Again, I own you the kindness million times.

Note: The data is from October 04, 2018 until today January 16, 2019. I guess it serve the purpose without timezone.

Looking at this data, we can not spot anything significant but I one thing should be clear that S_Therapist was not sleeping very well. He was devoting his time only for the forum? His going to offline habit is only one or two hours? WOW! I understand this is the sum of number of posts of the specific times of the date range but still... He was spending almost 23 hours in the forum.

Anyway... I need one more help from you since you are here.

This is the data of last 104 days http://prntscr.com/m7uxe9
Can you help me providing the another graph from 4th March 2018 to October 04, 2018 for mdayonliner please. It's more 104 days back from when the S_th... started

I wanted to see posting habits of mdayonliner before and after S_th... registered.

Thank you.

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I have PMed 4 members so far who showed good work with scrapping data in the forum. I heard back from three including shahzadafzal. Thank you all.
I want to keep privacy since their response was in my PM. shahzadafzal is already here anyway.

One of them did not have the data I was looking for but he went extra mile and scrapped the data (The criteria I was asking - he usually don't scrap this data) I was looking for. He provided me the row data of posting dates of mdayonliner and S_th... Thank you very much mate. I appreciate your time. You saved me big time. After reading your first reply I lost hope. Then I gave a try to use some online tools to scrape data. I even scrapped S_th.. posting history but after downloading the files I did not understand what I will do with that file. Totally newbie in this scrapping business. It took my whole day yesterday. I only gave up once I received the row data from you. Thank you again.

I used to be a programmer back in the days. The last time I practiced programming professionally was in 2008. It's been 9 years around. After receiving the row data I am working on processing them.  My goal is counting the number of posts of every single day from Oct 04, 2018 to Jan 14 2019 for both mdayonliner and S_th... Zero post of a day will also be included.

So far I have done this....
- Converted the spreadsheet file to txt file
- Wrote few simple scripts
- Kept only the dates I do not need everything else
- Wrote few more scripts to read the files and added them to a mySQL database
- Some simple query gave me these data
mdayonliner: http://masudulkabir.com/MDAYnotS_TH/mdaywtzero.txt
S_th: http://masudulkabir.com/MDAYnotS_TH/S_thwtzero.txt
- Then I dumped the data to a google Spreadsheet and drew this two graph. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x6ysRhmNlwJDRFNrZfzq6AwpVsBd7eZPrsQjz2IveMk/edit?usp=sharing
Please see the mday_count and S_the_count tabs

But still it's not the output I am looking for. I need the days with no posts too.

So, I am still working on writing another script which will create rows with 0 posts where there are no post for a day or a rang of days.

For a pro these are not some heavy task but for someone who are not in touch with programming for long years - it's a hell lot of tasks. I will take more few days from the community before I am satisfied with the data I am playing with and some other evidence I wanted to present in the investigation board.

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I am seeing a lot of posts since my last response to this topic. I am sorry I am just reading them here and there but not following them because my brain is occupied with the job I am doing to present the data. I will answer everyone I will finish this sorting job. I hope you guys understand.

Thanks

PS: @shahzadafzal Just saw your last post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49258314#msg49258314). I will answer the points later.

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update:
I have nothing to do with trust system or the red trusts I have or anything else. All my focus is on that S_Therapist is not me and this is the truth. I will give my last to prove the truth.

See this isn't really trustworthy behavior in my eyes, but I could be wrong so ill ask.

WHY?

and if you say "its because he is a friend" well that's a shit answer. tell me the full truth here and I may have a little more respect for you again mayday

That's a very dumb quest.

You can't prove anything. Don't try you're just making a fool of yourself.

Brother... everything I said here is all truth.

I already said before somewhere in this topic...
I did not know S_th.. is the person I knew before until he called me other day after hilariousetc created this topic. I even wanted S_th.. to take the heat because other day in another topic he called me Ponzi Promoter which I took offence. read my first response of the topic just under OP. You will feel the anger.

S_th.. (before user pkmoney or something ) first came to me asking for loan in my lending topic. He said he is Bangaldeshi. I said him to PM me and give me his number. I called and I found him someone really in need of money. I had hesitation but I gave him the loan. I took this kind of risks several times. When people shows their needs for something and request me several times I gave them loan which is why I lost some of my hard earning BTC in the lending business here. I in fact closed the business.

Anyway... His pkmoney account got hacked (he said to me later when I called him for the repayment) but he did repaid me. You will find the reference in this topic somewhere. This is how I know him. But it was pkmoney for me before not S_th...

He later came to my house once (still pkmoney to me). He sold BTC to me several times but the first time when he sold it was in my house. May be he wanted to be sure that if he can trust me. That's the only time he came to my house. We talked about the forum, bitcoin, my redTurst etc etc. I can not remember but I guess I advised him to request to lock the pkmoney account, I also said him (I am trying to remember the pieces) to create a new account and engage with the community this and that. After that we talked over phone only when he needed to sell any btc (still pkmoney to me). I always pay him with local payment method. We never met each other after the first meet up. I never asked him about forum and he never did the same. All the time the conversations were related to him selling x amount of BTC, if I want to buy then I said ok. That's all.

don't go all cryptocunt on me. I was referencing the above assumptions by sha - are they true or not? if they are - why

Here is what you are requesting, your stat for your posts from March 2018 to October 2018.

mdayonliner - postings from March 2018 to October 2018
https://i.imgur.com/TBbq4Ax.jpg
https://imgur.com/TBbq4Ax

Sorry I thought explaining a scenario will clear it.

Anyway,

Not true

Thank you brother. Thanks again for the kindness.

Fuck knows then! you know I haven't got any malice against you, pretty sure you just made some errors that weren't intended to have a malicious end - but all that is in the past.

GL here man

I am still working on the data processing. I am really not sure how many hours or days I will need but as soon as I am done with the data processing then I will post them here. And some other evidences which needs to be in the investigation section.

But just now have a thought to share the call log in between him and me. I already said that I did not have any idea about S_th... is someone I knew until he called me after hilariousetc created this topic. My first response to the topic was from my anger to him so that he can take the heat of insulting me on the other day etc etc. This is when I learnt that he is someone known to me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49211371#msg49211371 <=== read this post and also some post before this post which will show my mental state before and after learning that he is known to me.  

Anyway here are the call logs... please remember it's GMT +6. To protect his privacy I removed a part of his name and the number. Sure you can see the name I (basically my wife wrote) is : BTC seller..... coz whenever he has btc he sell me. I buy when I have extra money.

https://i.imgur.com/M79XpUT.png
Call summary. Notice the time and date.

https://i.imgur.com/iFmjP3x.png Call details screenshot 1

https://i.imgur.com/wXdPr1N.png Call details screenshot 2

https://i.imgur.com/cyRAjVt.png Call details screenshot 3

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Update:

Not sure why after posting the first image is losing the width. Anyway here it is  when I preview it...

https://i.imgur.com/BvEpvwt.png

Is this what are you looking for? Since I already have data for both of you I can easily make a comparison graph.

It looks like you were not at all active from 13-10-2018 to 06-12-2018? but S_Therapist was quite active during the same period... (Is it true or do I need to revisit my data?)


mdayonliner vs S_Therapist post counts from 04-10-2018 to 15-01-2019
https://i.imgur.com/KzaqOEm.png
https://imgur.com/KzaqOEm

I've read whole thread again.

I don't see S_Therapist disagreed with this statement.

It was pointed(with bold letters) several times:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49213483#msg49213483
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49213988#msg49213988
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49229490#msg49229490

And then you said:


Why S_Therapist didn't say this statement is wrong and that he repaid loan using bitcoin and not "another payment method of the local"?

Why is he not responding here? He doesn't know how to write anymore or something?

You're wasting your time.


Why? There is no value in this whatsoever. Are you just trying to bury this thread in garbage?

Fella you are fighting a losing battle here, what exactly are you trying to achieve - think about it and then think if it is actually possible to achieve. IE, everyone believes that you two aren't alts.. that ain't gonna happen, its impossible right now - better off smoking a joint, having a wank and moving on.

I hope this gives you the answer.

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All I am trying is the expose the truth and I can try to prove the truth.

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Thanks man

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You should be asking him mate not me.

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You should be reading the responses all the way from top to before you made the response mate.
Anyway... here I have summary https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098276.0  <== the investigation topic.

I read all replies in this topic before replying, but for me it wasn't enough to be sure who is right here - hilariousandco or you. Things like screenshot of phone call history doesn't prove anything.
First I want to say I'm so sorry for a loss of your father - let him rest in peace. And congratulations for a birth of your children!
After shahzadafzal posted stats about your and S_Therapist activity I would say that you're not alts. But it's just my opinion, I may be not right.
But one thing looks quite strange in this story - why S_Therapist stopped to defend himself. Maybe he just give up on this account. Proving that he isn't alt of you will not fix his reputation because he is already tagged for other shady things. Wouldn't be surprised if he will start with new account soon.
And maybe it's stupid prediction, but I think it's possible that his account is controlled by more than one person. I just don't believe that normal people can live almost without sleep.

If you look at the posting time by dividing in two range, you will get different scenerio.
4th October to 27th November and 28th November to the rest.
The data provided by shah(can't remember the whole) shows the average posting time of my account. Before 27th November, I used to sleep late at night, sometimes even in 3,4,5 am while later 27th November, I started to live an usual life because I had joined in a job and that's why I had to sleep early like 11/11.30pm at maximum.
Anyway, this will not bring any benefit to this case, IMO.

Thanks at least you are rethinking.


It's hard to believe the amount of time S_Therapist spent here. I feel bad for him. Things could be different if he would not follow me.

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Congrats brother. I wish things were different. I am sorry.

Can you do this for:

S_Therapist https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2423416
utlptc https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1460928
Jrashid  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2313339
pkmoney https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=156044

And this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096681.msg49261455#msg49261455 ?

I have to revisit thread to see how things are going because I do actually miss S_Therapist write ups. He isn't that active any more and the worst part is even though the Alt account red tags get removed (that's if he's found not guilty) he already has other tags that can't be removed like account farming
This was one of those accounts that inspired me.

Have any final conclusion been gaven or this is still an accusation?.

Edit:
Thanks for the clarification. I'm kinda new to all these trust feedback of a thing and just trying to understand them better. I thought the DT1/2 members or so have a final say but now I understand everyone can use feedback as a point of reference and give their judgement

By whom?  All the evidence has been presented and feedback has been given, so it's up to everyone to read it and make up their own minds about it.  It looks like the consensus among the members who've posted here is that they are alts, and I suspect that's the case.  Do I know that for a fact?  Not really.  Everything mdayonliner presented as far as phone screenshots and the like could be doctored--or they could be genuine.

I've seen enough shenanigans and lying on this forum to be jaded enough to disbelieve anyone on a matter like this, even if they're trusted.  And when you factor in the fact that S_Therapist is a documented account buyer with other alt accounts, it would not surprise me in the least if mdayonliner was an alt.  I don't like the fact that mdayonliner's stated relationship with S_Therapist changed as time went along.  Seems like he was trying to hide something there. 

In any case, I'm pretty sure the reputations of both accounts are irreparably shot and I agree with others who've said that presenting all of this evidence is pointless.  None of it proves beyond a doubt that the two accounts represent two separate individual human beings.

Sure thing :)

Here are the graphs for each of them

S_Therapist
https://i.imgur.com/UELBUZb.png

utlptc
https://i.imgur.com/62T7Sw5.png

Jrashid  
https://i.imgur.com/jjnFu7J.png

pkmoney

pkmoney is very odd itself it was dormant since its registration in Jan-13. Then it was active from Nov-13 to May-14 but slept again until May-18 (I guess that's when it was hacked and purchased). Then it remain active for three months only from May-18 to Jul-18 and it is silent since then.

Since we assume it was controlled by different people, so here are the two graphs for it's active periods of Nov-13 to May-14 and May-18 to Jul-18.

pkmoney -May-18 to Jul-18
https://i.imgur.com/bY7me7J.png

pkmoney -Nov-13 to May-14
https://i.imgur.com/b1IzOt6.png


For the comparison graph i tried but it was really odd since all these accounts were active in different dates. See below number posts per month from Dec-2017 to Jan 2019

_Date_		S_Therapist	utlptc	Jrashid	pkmoney
Jan-19		145	3	0	0
Dec-18		34	2	0	0
Nov-18		211	1	10	0
Oct-18		191	39	45	0
Sep-18		0	59	79	0
Aug-18		0	1	57	0
Jul-18		0	37	6	16
Jun-18		0	49	0	49
May-18		0	78	0	63
Apr-18		0	73	0	0
Mar-18		0	99	0	0
Feb-18		0	72	0	0
Jan-18		0	23	0	0
Dec-17		0	9	0	0

You can see it was only month of Oct-18 when they all posted together except for pkmoney.

So I did compare the month of Oct-18, and here is the result. (Graph was very wide so I had to split it)

https://i.imgur.com/bzROXmHh.png
https://imgur.com/bzROXmH

https://i.imgur.com/TF0wmSUh.png
https://imgur.com/TF0wmSU

Well I'm not sure if you can make something out of it :p

Since we already know utlptc is the puppetmaster, it's quite clear that the other three accounts were active sequentially one after another. One of them coincidences again LOL

In fact the graph proves exactly the opposite. Situations where a user posts only once per month with his alt while being active with the other account are very common, especially if one account is employed by a signature campaign while the other isn't. Usually alt owners like to use their alts from time to time to make it look like the accounts aren't abandoned and/or bump some threads, or back up their own posts. So, that flat blue line with small spikes on it couldn't be more normal for an alt account, it doesn't disprove the claim at all.

Where one person sees something random, another will see a pattern. There are days where both of the accounts are very active, and there are days where only one of them is active, while other is taking a break. It doesn't prove anything. For example, you can posts with both accounts one day, then on the next day see that you got some replies in the thread where you've posted with one of the accounts, log in with that one and continue the discussion, hence on the graph one account gets a spike while the other doesn't.

As for the hours when they were active, it's also hard to read anything as s_therapist is active in both day and night (which to me is crazy, does he ever sleep? Ok, he does, at 10-11 am :D).

mdayonliner, I'm sorry for whatever personal issues you were going through but as others have said posting screenshots (and everything else) of two random people making calls doesn't prove anything and is even more circumstantial than my 'evidence' or claims. In fact, it's less than that because it only holds any weight if we believe your narrative in the first place.


There probably won't ever be one unless some damning evidence comes to light such as linked wallet transactions or some other info so at the moment it's just he said she said and likely will be until the end of time. I'll leave my final 'conclusion' here: I think that regardless of whether these accounts are 'true' alts or not (which we probably won't know unless he admits it) mday has personally made posts for the account in some capacity whether he was/is in control of it or someone else. I really don't buy that he didn't know who the account was until this accusation. It doesn't even make sense and I think he just came out with this to try distance himself from the merit abuse which he obviously would have been found guilty of if he admitted he knew the account. Let's assume the account technically isn't 'his' alt i.e someone else created and controls it, then he probably sent them posts he'd wrote up in an attempt for them to get merit. Before I even knew they were Bangladeshi or had spotted any other similarities I suspected they might be the same just from their posts alone. For that to happen you have to be pretty much trying to purposely emulate someone or it be a massive coincidence. If the account technically isn't his then it's probably his buddies or maybe brothers (and he was well aware of that), but I'm pretty sure some of the content has come from him at some point whether he posted it personally or not. Of course, this is still all speculation and opinion but we're never really going to know one way or another and I suspect mday will stick to his narrative whether it be true or not.

Two more new evidences (better say angles) to observe the case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098276.msg49369506#msg49369506






But the title is: S_Therapist = mdayonliner LOL

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Thank you but you don't have to be, it's ok.

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And how about if you create a new guy saying S_Therapist = mdayonliner? You have seen the DC character superman in movies but we have a bitcoinTalk superman here  :P

Ok, I have to ask this in 2 threads.
Is S_Therapist your brother's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1167568) new account? That would actually explain everything.

https://i.imgur.com/csGIBw8.png

https://i.imgur.com/1LWXv0r.png

This was his last post(September 19.):

https://i.imgur.com/bmBLcN0.png

Also, for the record, account kawser05 is connected IIRC in another investigation thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.msg44258425#msg44258425).

This still isn't proof of anything and you're attacking a connection someone else made to tie other accounts together. You're complaining at me for not having concrete proof but are just making even lesser claims about other things.


Because that's what I still believe is likely the case. Would you like me to change it to "[I believe] S_Therapist = mdayonliner"? The only thing that is laugh out loud about this is you trying to convince everyone you had absolutely no idea who the S_Therapist account was which is utter bullshit.

You're still forgetting the fact that 4 different people independently had a very good suspicion that you two might be the same just going by the way you type and act. What are the chances of that. Out of the thousands of users here we make the connection and then it actually turns out you know each other in real life. Out of the 7.5 billion people on earth we spotted two on a forum that know each other in real life but only that comes to light when they're accused of being the same. What are the odds!? Astronomical. You're either very likely the same person or you've written posts for or under that account, but this is obviously something you'll never admit to so you'll cling to that uncertainty for dear life. The whole I didn't know who the account was is preposterous. You have a friend here and he knows your account but for some reason you don't know his and never thought to ask. Come the fuck on. Stop taking people for idiots. We can spot your "friend" but you can't? You lied so much to try get away from the merit abuse that it just took you down a a huge hole of desperation you had to try claw your way back out from but that's all you've got to run with now.


I think this is plausible (and that they've likely shared accounts or mday made content for him to post (and merit), but they're never going to admit to this now as they've come out with their story and are going to have to stick to it. One of them even referred to the other account as 'brother' recently but I can't find it now. Was something along the lines of "thank you, brother", but of course it could have been used in a friendly way and not literally.

Whatever evidence presented here, I am still believe that both account holder is same person or post's made by same person.
For example: If I got tag or ban for any reason and I create a new account then how will determine that new account holder is me? Because I know almost forum rules and behaviours, I can easily skip all the things. But really can I change my posting behaviour since my native language isn't English? Everyone can easily trace me that who am I. So many coincidences can't happen with 2 account. That's the reason I can't skip easily if I create new account.

But still we don't tag for alt account. S_Therapist self admitted regarding his previous account and he got tag as well.

Let's say mdayonliner did not know S_Therapist then he must have known utlptc or pkmoney or Jrashid!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098276.msg49443299#msg49443299 <------------

What does anyone think about these new revelations:

As with the op, I suspected these two were one and the same for a couple of weeks now but sat on the info, but as you can see it's identical behaviour to the evidence presented in the op.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2508950  Retina

All the hallmarks of an alt here at least. New account, straight into Meta fishing for merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096181.msg49204705#msg49204705

Second post on the forum and already getting involved with a knowledge of Lauda and the drama surrounding her him? Woo-woo, call the alt police.

Snippy tilde snips:


Bengali:


Red arrows and boxes again:



mdayonliner talking to the user here:


Is this really another innocent case of someone trying to "imitate" the highly influential mdayonliner? Even though this is all exactly the same "evidence"/behaviour which brought them them to my attention before this is obviously almost certainly probably not an alt, but perhaps a "friend" of mdayonliner that he doesn't yet know about his account here because it's top secret, but he has probably met in real life and just doesn't know it yet  ;D.

Also as was the case before, mdayonliner has now chosen to merit the account which just seems like guilty behaviour to me and if true is yet another case of merit abuse from him.

Good to see the bump. And the answer for this moron is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121590.msg50271809#msg50271809

Good luck.

I'll respond to mdayonliner's completely off topic post in this thread here because I think what he said is relevant:

Deleted post:

https://i.imgur.com/iJkWIpU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WSfBsyD.jpg


I'll keep an eye out for it.


Well at least you can see that this is an alt with a clear agenda, so I'll give you that. Whoever it is is another debate but I wouldn't at all  be surprised if this account is just you being an idiot with some sort of preemptive defence by outing it so you can further whine like a baby about the situation and get some more drama out of it.

Just for the record, I'm not at all saying Mulann2 is his account and wouldn't have even thought so but mday's behaviour here in publicly drawing comparisons between the two is a little suspect and seems a bit too desperate to be noticed in my opinion.

With mdayonliner  getting banned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134929.0), it will be interesting to see if the other two people continue posting and if so if they end up banned with a ban evasion ban.

If they stop posting, it is fairly strong evidence they are the same. If they continue posting but don’t get banned, then there might be an argument they are different people. If they continue posting and get a ban evasion ban, it will be almost certain they are the same.

Retina posted 12/17 posts in WO thread today, looks like merit hunting. Many posts are really short one liners, seems like to welcome people lately. Speaking off...

Is always morning in Bangladesh?






Sounds like double edged sword.

I have no doubt that he'll be posting with one or more alts during his ban. Keep in mind that he's smarter than everyone else and has us totally fooled with his "friends and family" act. We might even see a new one pop up because he's got more free time now.

Retina is  definitely fishing for merit in the W/O thread.

It is unclear if they are the same person. There seems to be some circumstantial evidence to suggest they are, but this has been denied by both of them. The ban of mdayonliner should give additional insight if this is true.

Retina is posting now, so perhaps we will find out if a ban evasion ban is going to be handed out.

Well he's adamant that they're not ALTs so much so that he's seemingly been pestering theymos to check their IPs and to publicly post whether they're same or not as if that is concrete proof once and for all that they're not the same so he'll probably use an alt as normal regardless of any bans. I doubt mday is stupid enough to not use a proxy or different connection to each account either especially since he's so adamant IP evidence will vindicate him (it wont) but it doesn't explain why they behave exactly like each other in numerous other instances which are more than just a coincidence, but of course that's not concrete proof even though most can see that it's pretty damning evidence.


He's definitely going to run with the retina account now especially as it's clean (no negative) and he's been meriting it himself (which he likes to public boast about when he does). I'm sure retina will be much more active during the ban if it stays. He's trying to get it appealed in Meta (and I do think it was kinda harsh especially given many far worse youbit spammers escaped unharmed).


Ban evasion isn't really looked into by the admins at all sadly so he'd be free to post on that account even if he was using the same IP (which I doubt he is). The only time people get banned for ban evading is usually by globals if there's enough public proof that they're same (shared wallet addresses etc).


But don't forget that mday is a very influential person in Bangladesh hence why people purposely try to imitate him.

Edit: theymos removed the ban on mdayonliner which was probably the right decision.

After mdayonliner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468) dramatically locked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135318.0) his account, S_Therapist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2423416) hasn't been online anymore.
It doesn't prove a thing, so I'm just adding it to the pile of circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, Mdayonliner seems a nerd like us so probably he is still on the forum with another account.

Is strange for a person to change his habit from one day to another, is more probable for a person to do the same thing in a different way.

Wow missed that, seems like someone needs a cuddle if you ask me. Some members take this place far too seriously really, I would prescribe wanking more as a solution to everyone other than CH and Thule, those two have plenty of wankerness already

S_Therapist is largely useless to him really with the amount of negative feedback it has. Interestingly Mday only lost the plot with me after I brought up the coincidences between that account and his probably because I'd essentially ruined the account he was working hard on building up to use. The Retina account is probably the one he'll use now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2508950

Mulann2 is also another account to keep an eye on: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2546342

Look at the last sent merit of mday:

Sent in the last 120 days

    April 21, 2019, 10:19:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 21, 2019, 10:17:45 PM: 1 to S_Therapist for [Explained] How Trust Score is calculated
    April 20, 2019, 08:06:07 PM: 1 to Mulann2 for Re: YoBit Signature Campaign (Bitcointalk)
    April 18, 2019, 05:42:00 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
    April 07, 2019, 12:13:31 PM: 1 to Retina for Re: Merit for Crypto (and other) Knowledge
    March 22, 2019, 04:43:56 PM: 6 to Retina for Another helpful Software (Advanced SystemCare) Speed-up your Windows PC/Laptop

All of them accounts are connected to him somehow and I think he gave the game away too early with the Mulann2 account when he tried some reverse psychology that backfired so he abandoned it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133670.msg50693924#msg50693924

Yep, just look for another newb that starts posting on Meta right out of the gate, just like S_Therapist did... Of course there's a good chance he's still reading this thread and may now resort to spreading his posts around different sections, but I'm always wary of new or newish accounts that have such a keen interest in Meta.

I have noticed too but forgot the username right now. Somehow mdy will brought up due to his behavior. I will be very difficult for him to change posting style and behavior.

Its from beginning both account almost gone offline same time. Both account stop activity after get tag. 

Not really, I believe he will be able to do it, it does not take much to change writing style with hiring a good person to do so in fiverr for cheap.

What else more do you need to prove mday= s_therapist
I'm here to prove mday=s_therapist

Welcome to AMA session.
Ask me anything, I will answer my best to prove that I am mdayonliner

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Fed up with it. I have no way but to believe that I am mdayonliner.

Really? Does someone hire?
mday should offer the service here since he helped to write this stuff, I mean my posts and seems like for some others too. Wait, I have forgotten that I am mday  ;D

Yes I have seen people in fiverr offering all kind of shady services for bitcointalk from merit giving, post writing, improving your writing style and a lot of this shit for a really low amount of money.

The worst thing is they are medium-low energy shitposters at best and they charge a decent sum of money. The clients are people who can't write or formulate an original thought to save their lives who pay other people with 8th grade level English to talk to themselves.

I don't know as I have never hired anyone because I know English well enough but it is a shocking fact what people will do for money nowadays.That was my concept to show that there are a lot of shitposters in place you can't even imagine like fiverr.

Just... Wow.

I actually thought this was just hyperbole... and that you guys were joking. Then I typed "bitcointalk" into fiverr search... :o :o :o

ICO thread bumping, accounts for sale, merits for sale etc :-\

I'm guessing one of the best decisions I ever made was to just "hide" the entire "Altcoins" subboard :P

And now imagine that they are selling their shitposts more than once to different users. No surprise that the number of banned plagiarizers is increasing all the time.  :D

Last year, I noticed someone who copied my question / advice from a Telegram shitcoin ICO group to the ANN of the project on Bitcointalk.  ::) ::)
Unfortunately, I told him on Telegram to stop such plagiarizing before I had the possibility to archive his plagiarized copy-paste and he deleted it just a few secons before I could archive it...
But the account is banned now, I expect he did that quite more than one time.  :D :D

It's just amazing, how lazy they are. The account was Hero Member btw.  

Its not a new thing and its simple that those guys are using his kind of marketplace for selling account, merit or maybe positive trust too. Its a sign that they are unable to commit their cheap activities on our forum because of existing strict rules. I have seen so many seller on fiverr marketplace like this who are offering these kinda services and good news is that very limited number of people are interested on their Gig.

He didn't bother about his own account and also didn't  give you the chance for archive. :D. Finally he got what he deserve and its because fraudulent activators can't put them far from habitual works.