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:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

In my opinion terrorism have no religion.
Terrorists can say that they act in the name of some religion but it's not right.
They just abuse religious teaching for their own sake.
World religions promote peace and love in general, not war or hate.
People misuse religions. 

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It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

....Sure, its wrong to say that all muslims are terrorists.... but i've never heard that anybody said that all muslims are terrorists....

In my opinion terrorism have no religion.
Terrorists can say that they act in the name of some religion but it's not right.
They just abuse religious teaching for their own sake.
World religions promote peace and love in general, not war or hate.
People misuse religions. 

Muslims have been responsible for some 31,500 terror attacks since 9/11.

www.thereligionofpeace.com


Right, the OP thought he'd be clever and made up what is called the "straw man" logical fallacy.

Are you sure they are Really Muslims? what if it's just a big slander designed by a secret community that wants the world to be chaotic ?

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

Every religion teaches goodness, believe me !!
If someone makes a mistake don't judge his religion, but that is his/her fault.

I'm more of an individualist myself. I don't like to smear people based on their belief systems / race / gender.

A typical example would be when I was younger our local shop was run by a family of Pakistani's. They didn't like to touch us when putting money in our hands and every time we walked into their shop they started talking in their native tongue. A few years later another Pakistani family bought the shop from the owners and their family were completely different. The owners shared beers with the locals in the local bar, their daughters were allowed to date whoever they wanted, and whenever we walked into their shop they swapped from their native tongue to English. Both families were Muslim. They may have both subscribed to the same belief sets but both families were guided by their own sense of morality and took a different aspect away from their belief.

Yes, there are bad Muslims. Yes, there are bad Christians. Yes, there are bad Atheists. Same with Liberals and Conservatives, they both have good and bad people in them - but to tar them all over the actions of other people is silly.

People are people. And span widely in beliefs, culture, even realities.

Stop blaming people.

You need to focus on ideology.

Islam is a very bad idea.  Quran is a vile, supremacist book that leads otherwise good people to do some horrible things.

Oh I absolutely agree with that,

But it's the same with Christianity. If you read the Bible it's a vile supremacist book that leads otherwise good people to do horrible things. Doesn't mean everyone is running around stoning folks for working on Sunday.

Are you sure they are Really Muslims? what if it's just a big slander designed by a secret community that wants the world to be chaotic ?

All religions are fairy tales.  Just because in one, a blind man flies to outer space on a winged horse does not justify another story where an old bearded guy created the universe in 6 days, 6000 years ago.  They are all utterly ridiculous.

What we are talking about is Islamists.  Why do they exist and what drives them to become Jihadists and eventually terrorists?

To me, it is clear that the Quran drives them to radicalize themselves.

Stay on the OP topic.
 

I am on the OP topic my friend.

There are radicals in every crazy ideology. This is what I was trying to put forth. Perhaps I can't profess to know every worldly event under the name of some crazy religious zealot because I only know those in my circle and that which the news reports to me.

But you can't just go around saying that All Muslims are terrorists because then you'd need to know EVERY Muslim and be inside each and every one of their heads. Otherwise then you would be ASSUMING all Muslims are terrorists.

I don't like to make assumptions because I'd have to know everything about everything. That would be a hard feat!

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But you can't just go around saying that All Muslims are terrorists because then you'd need to know EVERY Muslim and be inside each and every one of their heads. Otherwise then you would be ASSUMING all Muslims are terrorists.....

Like any other supremacist doctrine,every believer is a possible project to be a terrorist.
To make things more clear, terrorist is not just the one explosing himself in in a crowded street. Some others use the Islamic ideology to marry four women or marry children.
Because Islam is more than a simple religion for Muslims, considered as their life guide, they are terrorist.
By the way, am from an Arabic country, I experienced Islam for my whole life.

Exactly Islam is not only a religion but a political system. Christianity had a reformation process and separated the state from religion to a large degree. Islam has not gone thru this process. Until Muslims are willing to abandon the political system aspect of Islam, at least in foreign nations not already under Sharia, then there will continue to be conflict, war, and yes more attacks on Muslims.

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More like a mafia or a criminal gang.  You cannot leave it without some dire consequences.

This may indeed be so, but now we have a drift of this thread in a direction of agreeing with the straw man argument initially proposed by the OP.

I cannot agree with that, because I know that were I to be boots-on-the-ground fighting Islamic terror, to my right and left would be Muslims, and they would be good. I see your point of view, just can't group them all together in such a fashion.

Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.

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You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.

How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law?  If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.

This ideology cannot be reformed.  No word in the Quran can be changed.  Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.

They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it.  ....

You cannot destroy Sharia Law without destroying the Quran and the Hadiths.

How can you welcome Muslims and destroy Sharia Law?  If you start banning parts of the Quran or Hadiths, you will turn all non-Islamists Muslims into Jihadists and Terrorists.

This ideology cannot be reformed.  No word in the Quran can be changed.  Just talk to any Muslim if you don't believe me.

They think that the Quran is the word of God and humans have no right to change it.  

The only long-term solution is a physical separation of Muslims and non-Muslims.  
Muslims should not be allowed to reside in non-Muslim or secular countries.

Anything else is just kicking the can down the road.

Western countries made a grave mistake by allowing Muslims to legally immigrate to non-Muslim countries.

Islam is the sickest product of the human mind.

 

Quite frankly no one would love to live by the rules and laws of an old religion whose laws were derived from the culture of ancient times. The solution isn't to exclude people but to educate them. They think their books are words of God which can't be questioned. This makes their mind vulnerable to radical ideologies where they love their afterlife more than real life.

They need to be educated that we all got only one life and there's no afterlife as such. To succeed, one must do hard work in this world itself through education and using brain and not by blind beliefs. Youths of poor countries should be given jobs and a scientific attitude should be instilled.

Sad that politics won't let that happen as they need votes and vote banks.

P.s : I'm an agnostic and a globalist.

I agree, there should be a clear separation of state and church and anyone who believes a religious law should prioritize over the country's constitution should be made to take mandatory counselling and sessions

I don't think that is a solution. I think the law of the land simply needs to be enforced, even when loud retards scream racism (even though Islam is a religion not a race).

Me either. Muslims and Christians are on the same page in Manila. There's a peace in my country at that part only. They are living peacefully. But in the later part of Mindanao, there could be some chaos sometimes. But, we suppose to live harmoniously.

So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.

A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.

These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.

The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.

so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.

look at bitcoin (https://www.xch4nge.com) how controversial it is.

Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.

So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.

I do think it is possible, but unless Muslims are willing to abandon Sharia law they should not immigrate to any Western nations.

I don't know that they have a rule just like that. I searched about Sharia law and it not cleared to me. So you're saying that Muslims are forbid to live in west? Oh, FYI Manila, Philippines is at the East.

Actually we haven't, at all. Islam does not require participation in a political system. Muslims can honor their religion in their own lives, but they have no right to come to a Western nation and then impose Sharia law, even upon other Muslims within the Western nation. This is why Sharia is incompatible with Western nations. Muslims should be welcomed, Sharia law should be destroyed.

So disagree with the fact that all are terrorist or even 5% or any percentage.
Any terrorist that carries out an attack is not an muslim as its a religion of peace, not killing.
Killing a human is frowned upon.
However a few pointers.

A lot of religions have books, such as Bibles, and Quran.

These books were written a very long time ago, bible 2000 years plus, Quran 1400 years plus.

The literature although applicable today is open to interpretation and just like anything can be interpreted in many ways.

so some choose to interpret in way that suits them and use a the religion as an excuse.

look at bitcoin (https://www.xch4nge.com) how controversial it is.

Its simple and annoying that anything that is associated with money laundering is always blamed on bitcoin, for smaller things like someone scammed out of $100 savings, however the banks launder billions and nothing is said.

So lets not label everyone, there are a few rogue one which cause mayhem.

You deny them the Muslim label. Yet they selfidentify as Muslims. Can you take that right away from them?

As far as Muslim immigration goes, there are two problems. The hate towards non-Muslims and very backwards treatment of women (way behind western culture). Without these, I have no problem with any Muslim immigrant.

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You do not understand the ultimate goal of all true Muslims: peace (under a global Caliphate).

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(
I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.
Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?
I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.
Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.
what do you think?

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No its stupid and ignorant to say that. ....

Don't forget taqiya... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya#Contemporary_debate

Taqiya is far more prevalent than might be imagined, and anyone dealing with Muslims must understand it, or he really can't deal with them.

Muslims have different standards of right and wrong when dealing with those in their own faith vs those who are not. This goes across the board, including business, outright lying such as taqiya, also sexual and romantic behavior.

IMHO it's more important and useful to raise awareness of these things than focus on the straw man argument posed here of "All / Some Muslims are Terrorsts."

I have no idea about this practice and I am surprised that there notion of right and wrong depend upon the faith of the other.
But , not all religion forgive lies if it is to save one's life?

Read between the lines and or find other sources. I used Wikipedia because it would be the most conservative description of taqiya, but the down side of that is there are plenty of extremist apologists on Wikipedia willing to make excuses for things like this. Historically it may have began as a life preserving measure, but it has morphed into much more. Many Muslims see it as their right/duty to deceive and dominate non-Muslims, which is why I mentioned the concept so people could do their own research, because undoubtedly if I posted a more realistic description accusations of racism would start flying (even though Muslim is not a race).

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

"Western Sharia Police" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLT9JOE64WQ

Everything is in video 100% true. its very new for western society and almost every westerner scratch their heads that if they should raise their voice against Islamists or not. because if they do then everyone will call them islamophobic.

1. Honey trap on the White girl and Sikh-Hindu girl is a very old and serious issue and everyone keep their eyes shuts on this, not even in the Western country even in my home country India.

2. Praying on public area starts with a low number than number increases to hundred-thousands offering namaz in parks, roads, etc. if not dealt in initial phase then that land belongs to them and if by any chance someone puts the brick there and says " its holy place now and it should be mosque" then it's all over. Political parties will not interfere because they want minority votes.

3. Ironically that writer Salman Rushdie is born in India and still very respected here but after publishing " The Satanic Verses " he received many death threats from all over the world from Muslim country and sadly in India too. All Islamists went gaga over this issue and so-called good Muslims too rallied behind Islamist. Result Book banned by the Indian Government due to pressure and minority appeasement then he left India for good. even to this day, he gets many death threats whenever he visits India.

They banned the wrong book.

They banned the " The Satanic Verses" all outrage was against this book publication and followed by fatwa for the very same book.

What book are you talking about and which book was supposed to ban? might be new news for me ^-^

Quran.

That 6 million number is wrong, Jewish media uses that to gain sympathy and let them do whatever the hell they want.  For all we know, Hitler could of been battling the bankers but ended up failing.  Not saying for certain but history is full of lies.

Yeah history is more lies than truth because that has been proven long time ago,even in local history there are lots of leaks about what had happen in the past that has not been written rightfully

Just like other religions,no one is perfect and i know many muslim and theyre great in friendship,so I believe we must be treat as equal and will be depending on our attitudes and characteristics

To generalize a whole race based on their religion is as ignorant as one can get. Terrorists don't belong to a specific religion. They're here simply to put terror and suffering in people regardless of what religion they're in. And there are as much barbaric stories and verses in the bible as there are in thr quran if you'd care to read it.

Media calling them as terrorist so people are calling them too,terrorists might be from any religion and they aredoing crimes for their own benefits not for others so calling their whole religion as bad is not a right thing.

Sorry but Islam needs to start taking responsibility for its own house instead of just trying to take the house of others. Islam doesn't care about prejudice as long as they are the ones delivering it and the tolerant attitudes of the Western world are being exploited. This is the cost of not keeping your own house in order, eventually you pay a collective cost, right or wrong. Western society is very tolerant, until it is not, then Allah help you because no one else will.

I just spoke from my own experience,I too have lot of islamic friends all around the world and the people's nature may varies from where they are living so it is completely irrelevant to the religion.There are some islamic countries forces people to accept it as their religion but many islamic countries accept other religion people also into their country and gave freedom to live as their wish.

The applications of this ideology do not change the fact that this is the most misogynistic, supremacist ideology ever invented by humans.

I do not care how Muslims interpret or ignore the rules set out in this political ideology, I care about the ideology itself.

Islam as a political ideology should be banned in all non-Muslim countries.  Period.  It is not compatible with modern societal structures.

^^^ I like what you say, especially the "fellow human being" part. Islam teaches that people who are not Muslims are not the fellow human beings of Muslims. Rather, they can be lied to and tricked and eventually executed if they won't convert.

Thank you for your wonderful insight into this.

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Is it any statement on the Quaran states that,if someone won't agree to convert into Islams they have to excecute them?
Then why all those arabic countries have non muslim citizens.

Is it any statement on the Quaran states that,if someone won't agree to convert into Islams they have to excecute them?
Then why all those arabic countries have non muslim citizens.

https://quran.com/9/5
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

Some Muslims are good DESPITE their religion and will not kill another human being regardless of what ALLAH (or any other imaginary God) 'said' in the HOLY book.

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

I didn't know what Quran says,all I know is how the modern days muslims from my neighborhood reacts and they are good in my knowledge so don't call all Muslims as terrorist is my arguement.

If you fail to see a link between Jihadist and his religion, I cannot help you.

If a Jihadist 'makes a mistake' as you put it by killing innocent people, and you fail to see why Quran verses are the root cause, I cannot help you.

Some Muslims are Jihadists.
Some Jihadists are terrorists.

All Jihadists are Muslims.

i.e. Some Muslims are terrorists.

How do you know those people are Muslims? Maybe they are only saying that they are Muslims, but really are not.

Why would they say that they are Muslims when they aren't? Because like you, they haven't read all of the Koran and Hadiths. Like you they don't realize that they aren't Muslims but are being deceived into thinkiong that they are Muslims.

True Muslims are people who follow Islam. And Islam says that Muslims have to be blatantly and dynamically violent at times. Islam says that when Muslims are not violent, it is for converting non-Muslims to Islam, or it is to deceive non-Muslims.

Further, What is a peaceful Muslim going to do when his clerics tell him that now is the time that he has to act violently and kill the infidels? Is he going to disobey thereby endangering himself and his whole family from the punishment that comes to backsliding Muslims? Probably not! More than likely he will suddenly learn how to become violent.

So, stop saying that Muslims aren't violent. If they aren't, they aren't Muslims.

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If someone consdered to be an complete muslim they have five duty to complete which are kalima,five times prayer,pasting in Ramadhan,help the people in need and finally Hajj so they are following it so I call them as muslims.
Even I asked about the statment you guys mentioned with some of my muslim friends why they need to be violent if they have to be muslim but they said that some parts of Quran were replaced by wrong sentences intentionally and show to others as they were bad guys.

If you think that some parts of the Koran and Hadiths were "replaced by wrong sentences intentionally," how do you know which ones? Maybe the ones you/they say are the "wrong" ones, are really the only right ones, and all the "good" ones are the wrong ones.

If you have to judge which parts of Islam are right and which ones are wrong, maybe there are as many different versions of Islam as there are Muslims.

This is chaos. You are talking about a religion of chaos. If Muslims are violent at times, because they accept the violent parts of the Koran as the true parts, Islam really means to think and do whatever you like.

This makes Islam way worse of a religion than has been described in this thread so far. And you are the one who is showing it to be this way.

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The bible has it's own fair share of violence, genocide, immorality etc. As the quran if you'd dig deep into it. I think the difference is that there are a lot of apologists and leaders who interpret the bible differently scrubbing out all the bad things there while muslim leaders are somewhat purists, sticking exactly to their holybook quite literally.

.... As the quran if you'd dig deep into it. I think the difference is that there are a lot of apologists and leaders who interpret the bible differently scrubbing out all the bad things there while muslim leaders are somewhat purists, sticking exactly to their holybook quite literally.

Muslims have been responsible for some 31,500 terror attacks since 9/11.

www.thereligionofpeace.com


Right, the OP thought he'd be clever and made up what is called the "straw man" logical fallacy.

The bible has it's own fair share of violence, genocide, immorality etc. As the quran if you'd dig deep into it. I think the difference is that there are a lot of apologists and leaders who interpret the bible differently scrubbing out all the bad things there while muslim leaders are somewhat purists, sticking exactly to their holybook quite literally.

your brain already washed by media sir. all i know about truly muslim is they teaching love to people who ever they are, whatever they are like christian

But the Bible isn't what is being talked about in this thread. Since you don't answer the question about Islam, my info, above, stands.

The New Testament of the Bible is the Bible writing that all people should be following today. It has no violence ordered for any Bible people to do from its writing to the present. The only NT violence to be done will be done by Jesus God, Himself, at the end, at the time of the judgment.

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The bible has it's own fair share of violence, genocide, immorality etc. As the quran if you'd dig deep into it. I think the difference is that there are a lot of apologists and leaders who interpret the bible differently scrubbing out all the bad things there while muslim leaders are somewhat purists, sticking exactly to their holybook quite literally.

The muslims who advocate killing and violence are like christians who take the old testament texts heavier than the new testament.

Theres just bad people that interpret in a bad way.

Compare to BTC for example. BTC (https://www.xch4nge.com) isn't responsible for Money Laundering the person that uses it is. But anytime someone is convicted of a crime and BTC is involved whats the first thing said BTC is use for MONEY Laundering.

In the case of Islam as a religion any bad that occurs is used to justify the adversity interpreted in the Quran as bad. What my point is in anything you can make a statement sound good or bad. so my suggestion there are over 1.5 billion worldwide and a small minority of these do absolutely stupid things that even there religion does not permit so lets tarnish the whole 1.5 BILIION.

Theres just bad people that interpret in a bad way.

Compare to BTC for example. BTC (https://www.xch4nge.com) isn't responsible for Money Laundering the person that uses it is. But anytime someone is convicted of a crime and BTC is involved whats the first thing said BTC is use for MONEY Laundering.

In the case of Islam as a religion any bad that occurs is used to justify the adversity interpreted in the Quran as bad. What my point is in anything you can make a statement sound good or bad. so my suggestion there are over 1.5 billion worldwide and a small minority of these do absolutely stupid things that even there religion does not permit so lets tarnish the whole 1.5 BILIION.

Well i'm just saying that singling out islam as a religion of violence isn't quite fair since other religions have their own contributions on violence. The muslims who advocate killing and violence are like christians who take the old testament texts heavier than the new testament. There are muslims who condone such radical actions and they're probably the ones who prefer to view the more moral aspects of the quran. Same as you prefering to view the new testament as the part of the bible we should live by.

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Why don't you first start by admitting that Islam is a supremacist ideology?  And stop playing this "we are the victim" game.

Is it wrong to own slaves?  Is it wrong to stone adulterers?  Is it wrong to kill homosexuals, Jews, atheists?
Was Allah wrong when he recommended these punishments?

I think you have quite a bit of work to do BEFORE you start looking OUTSIDE of your own political system aka Islam.

Hint:  You can start by saying that Allah did not really mean it, and gave those laws only to people in the 6th century.

There have been numerous Muslim apologists do this, by noting such things as "such and such an order in the Quran to kill infidels" applied only to a particular issue or battle during the life of their Prophet.

Regardless, I do prefer the Christian montage, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

It would be easier to reform this system in the age of ignorance.  You would just say that the angels came to the Caliph and told him to amend the Quran and everyone would accept it.

Today, we have cameras, audio, and infrared recording equipment so no one would believe such claims.  So moderate Muslims are in a bit of pickle.  On one hand, they cannot undermine the authority of Allah and risk of being killed and on the other, they do not want to look like the ignorant, sadistic idiots of the 6th century who assembled this book (20-30 years after Muhammad died).

It may come as a shock to you, in this age of cameras, audio and infrared, but this is as much an age of ignorance as any other age might have been.

This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

This is where I have to push back. This is not a solution, and attempting to do so will create significantly more bloodshed and pain on all sides from all religious backgrounds as well as the secular world. Banning any religion is never going to be a solution, as history shows. Furthermore atheism itself is just another system of belief based upon just as much evidence, none.

Religion serves many constructive purposes, also many destructive purposes. As any organization, it is vulnerable to infiltration and subversion for destructive purposes, it doesn't have to even be a religion. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be restrained and checked, but I find it quite simplistic, childish, and counterproductive to attempt to just blanket ban religion as a whole.

However this is getting quite far off topic and belongs more in the atheism thread you are quite fond of, which I specifically avoid because as I stated atheism is just another form of religion, and you can't reason with religious zealots convinced of their correctitude, be they theist or atheist.

So do Nazism and Fascism.  Or the use of cocaine (it was used to treat a common cold in the past).

If you have any logical arguments for theism, let's hear it.  I would be glad to rip your arguments to pieces

Well i'm just saying that singling out islam as a religion of violence isn't quite fair since other religions have their own contributions on violence. The muslims who advocate killing and violence are like christians who take the old testament texts heavier than the new testament. There are muslims who condone such radical actions and they're probably the ones who prefer to view the more moral aspects of the quran. Same as you prefering to view the new testament as the part of the bible we should live by.

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This brain disease (aka religion) affects us all, poor, rich, smart or dumb.  The only solution is a complete eradication, to the last scripture and last preacher.  Each affected person is a victim in a way.

The only difference between now and back then is that back then, 100% believed in this shit/superstition/witchcraft, etc, today about 80-85% of people still cling on to such irrational beliefs.  

Obviously, we have a long way to go to eradicate this plague.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

I don't agree with this but am very familiar with the arguments, being pretty much an atheist. The details don't fit in this thread.

But let me just say that if you did "eradicate this plague," then you have to face what comes next. And as that is the uncontrollable product of a type of revolution, it's likely it would be worse. There are many historical examples of this.

Exactly, that is my number #1 criticism of atheism. Without the concept of God, however you perceive it, the state becomes the defacto God as the highest authority on Earth, accountable to no one. This is why in the USA all of our constitutional rights are "God given" rights, or inalienable if you prefer, as the state can neither grant them nor take them away. Coincidentally this is one reason why I find Communism so abhorrent because its goal is to become the secular God, and as you said history shows how that turns out...

Governments in most western countries already have authority over "God's laws".  Nobody in the US is killing gays for being gay or children who disobey their parents as your Christian God commanded.

What are you suggesting?  Sharia Law?  Make up your mind.

You can have secular laws (you know the ones that we developed despite the objections from the religious freaks) and no God in public or private life.

You Christians somehow connect atheism with communism.  I don't get it.  Apples and oranges.

Sorry but you don't have any fucking idea what you are talking about in the slightest. Again, as I said before, you are simply another form of religious zealot completely convinced of the correctitude of your belief system, and I find debating the validity of peoples beliefs to be an asinine task even if you were capable of an intellectually honest debate on this topic. Take it to the atheism thread, no one is interested in watching you jerk yourself off here and it is off topic.

Looks like you have no idea how to respond.  Take your Christian, Bronze Age values to a Christian thread.

You are the one who is mentally masturbating with your Bronze Age moral code vs Sharia Law.
"Ban or reform the Sharia Law, no wait, follow the Bible moral code, no wait, I don't know what I am saying"  that is the thought train wreck that is running through your head.

They are both the same.  Sharia Law was based on the fucking Bible.  Get it?  Buy a clue.

We are done here.

Why anything has to come next?  What are you talking about?  Why does it have to be a "revolution"?

Keep the social structures, economic systems intact.  Science and technology is the only way forward.

Religions will not help us land on Mars, develop new cures or ways to survive on this increasingly polluted rock.

When we cured polio, there was no revolution required.  Same thing here.  You help people who need help with this mental disorder.

In my country (New Zealand), the only terrorist attack we ever had was perpetrated by a white christian against the Muslim population.
This is the only terrorist act ever recorded  in NZ.
The terrorist killed 50 people this represent 0.1% of the whole Muslim population of the country.  Or 0.001% of the country's population.
It is estimated that 600 personnes have been affected by this attack (50 dead - 50 wounded and 500 family members of those 100 persons)

So if you like stats :
In New Zealand, 100% of the terrorists attacks have been committed by Christians
That Christian terrorist killed 50/ 5 000 000 of the country population = 0.001%


If you scale it to the USA :
It is the same as a potential attack against Christians killing 240 000 Christians (0.1% of the 240 million Christians in US)
Or a terrorist attack killing 3270 Americans (regardless of the religion), wounding the same amount   and affecting 39 000 persons (family members)


Oh by the way, the terrorist was greeted by his first victim with "Peace upon you brother" just seconds before being killed.

So who do you call terrorist ?

He was not a Christian, that is absolute horse shit. He didn't even identify as one. He didn't identify as being on the right either. Too bad you live in a totalitarian nation which prevents you from looking for yourself, and instead you are forced to swallow whatever turds they choose to force feed you. Also your little scaling game is beyond retarded, by that same logic we could declare Muslims responsible for BILLIONS of deaths. Your shitty movie script version where the victim said "peace be upon you brother" never fucking happened. You know how I know this? I don't live in a totalitarian nation, and we have freedom of speech, which means I am free to actually see what happened unedited with my own eyes.

Hey Mister "I know everything",
Did you see the video ? (I did, not even 2h after the incident and before all editing).
Haven't you heard the Salam greeting the doorman said the the attacker ?

Not on the right ?
Have you not looked on the internet ?
This week it was proven that the attacker sent money to "generation identité" not once but twice, this is a neo-nazy Austrian association. He sent money to the French  and Austrian counterpart.
And not small amounts. Everything is in the media (all kind of media). Strange no for someone not on the far right ?

I concede that the scaling is not the best to compare Muslim and Christians.
Anyway a terrorist attack killing 50 in a country with 5 millions people is far more a tragedy than in a larger country (for this specific country).
Human life have the same value everywhere in the world, but country population isn't the same.
If you want to compare apple with apple, a scaling has to be made.

If you scale with  car accidents.
NZ : 377 road death in 2018 -> terrorist attack (50 killed) represent 13% of road deaths.
USA : 37 000 deaths in 2016 -> scaling would mean 4800 terrorist casualties

I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

...
I read his manifesto within hours of the attack (before any editing), he is a white supremacist and even though he doesn't identify himself as a christian, he is one. Period.

Are you butt-hurt because you are white and for once the terrorist is white ?
Then, take a breath, do some yoga and stop calling everyone of color a terrorist

...
It was all about race, not religion.

He might have been Christian.

Islam is a supremacist ideology.

Some Muslims read too much into it and do hate non-Muslims.  Others are good people who do not hate anyone DESPITE their religion.

Some Muslims become Islamists, then Jihadists, and eventually terrorists.

There is a wide spectrum of wackos in Islam, just like in any other supremacist ideology.

While your opinion is true that just because other Muslims are terrorists doesn't make all Muslims to be terrorists but we can't blame people from the trauma they're experiencing because of what other Muslims are doing. It is like putting one spoiled tomato in a a basket full of good tomatoes spoil them all. It is their Muslim brothers that are destroying the reputations of Muslims in general and causing hatred to the people.

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

FYI tecshare calls anything he thinks is bad "communism" and you should read his posts with his definition in mind. genocide=communism transgender=communism climate change=communism atheism=communism etc etc

This is absolutely a bigoted double standard.  You are allowing a few muslims to destroy the reputation of islam but have not let the christian terrorists destroy the reputation of christianity.  

In my country, the USA, most terrorists are Christian yet people fear muslims because they are "foreign" and they don't get fair representation in the media.  Our media only shows news stories from muslim countries when they are related to war or terror.   Our TV shows and movies mostly cast muslims into terror-related roles.  This has had a dehumanizing affect on muslims. TV will never tell the truth.

I recommend you travel to some muslim countries and you will actually find them to be much more friendly and hospitable than western countries.  Travel to Iran, Pakistan, and Indonesia.  These are among the largest muslim countries in the world and the friendliest, most hospitable counties I have ever been but mentioning them strikes fear into the heart of most Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeWxl7ruGE

Yet, he fails to see socialist and communist ideas in Christianity.  The way I see it, Jesus character was the first socialist.

It is funny to see him draw is half-ass conclusions. He thinks disbelief in the supernatural is somehow related to the economic system,
and if you are on the left of the political spectrum, you are mentally ill.

The guy is a twit.  Don't take him too seriously.

That's because the Hegelian dialectic, which Communism is based upon, can be applied to literally anything to subvert any goal, group, or cause using overt goals to serve ulterior motives. I know to simple people like you it sounds like I am just saying everything is Communism, but that is because you don't want to critically examine anything I present, so your brain finds easy ways to dismiss any information I put in front of you that challenges your belief system.

Regarding the rest of your horse shit, you don't have any evidence to support your assertion that "most terrorists are Christian", this is just some shit simple minded trendy lefties like you like to run around telling each other to justify your own bigotry while you defend an ACTUAL supremacist political ideology in the name of fighting racism. Your lies literally cost people their lives. Nothing to worry though, it was just "neck wounds" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8py3ahaFK2w).



Sorry, but Christianity is not based on Socialism or Communism regardless of your mental gymnastics to try to shoehorn that one in there. Communism is not only an economic system, but a political ideology as well. Communism seeks to crush all religion because it is antithetical to its goals, this doesn't mean if you are atheist you some how automatically support Communism. Of course you know this, but you desperately need to find a way to take pot shots at anyone who dares question your religion of atheism. Your behavior is indistinguishable from any other form of religious supremacy, but you are far too convinced of your own superiority to notice this.

https://quran.com/9/5
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

Some Muslims are good DESPITE their religion and will not kill another human being regardless of what ALLAH (or any other imaginary God) 'said' in the HOLY book.

Those who act kindly in this world will have kindness.
1.Islam. Qur'an 39.10

God enjoins justice, kindness, and charity to one's kindred, and forbids indecency, abomination, and oppression. He admonishes you so that you may take heed.
6.Islam. Qur'an 16.90

Treat people in such a way and live amongst them in such a manner that if you die they will weep over you; alive they crave for your company.
10.Islam (Shiite). Nahjul Balagha, Saying 9

Anas and 'Abdullah reported God's Messenger as saying, "All [human] creatures are God's children, and those dearest to God are those who treat His children kindly."
19.Islam. Hadith of Baihaqi

A man once asked the Prophet what was the best thing in Islam, and the latter replied, "It is to feed the hungry and to give the greeting of peace both to those one knows and to those one does not know."
21.Islam. Hadith of Bukhari

The best deed of a great man is to forgive and forget.
2.Islam (Shiite). Nahjul Balagha, Saying 201

If you efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! God is forgiving, merciful.
4.Islam. Qur'an 64.14

Moses son of Imran said, "My Lord, who is the greatest of Thy servants in Thy estimation?" and received the reply, "The one who forgives when he is in a position of power."
11.Islam. Hadith of Baihaqi

Better and more rewarding is God's reward to those who believe and put their trust in Him: who avoid gross sins and indecencies and, when angered, are willing to forgive... Let evil be rewarded by like evil, but he who forgives and seeks reconciliation shall be rewarded by God. He does not love the wrongdoers.... True constancy lies in forgiveness and patient forbearance.
12.Islam. Qur'an 42.36-43

It may be that God will ordain love between you and those whom you hold as enemies. For God has power over all things; and God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
8.Islam. Qur'an 60.7

The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo!, he between whom and you there was enmity shall become as though he were a bosom friend.
But none is granted it save those who are steadfast, and none is granted it save a person of great good fortune.
16.Islam. Qur'an 41.34-35

According to Anas, after the Messenger of God said, "Help your brother whether he is oppressor or oppressed," Anas replied to him, "O Messenger of God, a man who is oppressed I am ready to help, but how does one help an oppressor?" "By hindering him doing wrong," he said.
20.Islam. Hadith of Bukhari

Hmm this reminds me of, i don't know, Moses? Then you may join Jews, Christians and Muslims together because they are all descendants from Abraham, and they all abhorred polytheism (that was the era when humanity went from poly- to mono-theism). If you read the bible you will find many passages like that... By no accident Islam pays respect to the likes of Jesus and the prophets from Judaism...

"In the name of religion" many atrocities have been committed in the past, but (genuine) religion is not about committing atrocities...

I will cite these, just for reference:


There is a lot more. Judging an entire religion from ignorance only leads to hatred. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere...
Also think from a historic viewpoint. What was around by the time the religion was founded? And what were the customs and culture it replaced?

Dalam ajaran islam tidak di ajarkan seseorang menjadi teroris, islam mengajarkan sopansantun, kasih sayang daritadinya pemukul menjadi perangkul, munkin ini adalah sebagian kelompok yg benci terhadap islam.
Says tidak setuju islam dikatakan agama teroris.

Google translated from Indonesian: "In Islamic teachings not taught by someone to be a terrorist, Islam teaches sopansantun, affection from being a hitter becomes a hijacker, but this is probably a group that hates Islam. Says do not agree that Islam is said to be a terrorist religion."

What you have shown with your last post is you do not even know your own Christian mythology.  Socialist doctrine is based on the Christian ideology.  You got this backwards.

Do you even know what my position is?

Are you sure you questioned the atheist position?  Where are your arguments to prove that the supernatural exists?  Here is your chance to win the Nobel Prize.  Let's go.

You are an opinionated, Christian Anarchist who disagrees with everything he sees or hears.  You are just an automaton with no original critical thinking skills, IMHO.

In case anyone is wondering..


No, I am pretty sure I do know quite a bit about Christian mythology, but I would love to see you source the information that you think proves Socialism/Communism was based upon it. There is actually a lot of evidence however Communism was at least partially based upon the Talmud, not just because of a lot of overlapping ideologies, but because of Karl Marx's lineage from a long line of rabbis as well as a few other things related to The Bolshevik Revolution.

You have made your position as a holier than thou edgy boi atheist pretty clear so, I don't know why I wouldn't know your position at this point. Do you even know my position? You have no problem calling me a Christian Anarchist, when I never said anything of the sort. Frankly I think Anarchists are short sighted people who are usually just Socialists and Communists anyway, but they don't know enough about either of those systems to know any better, they just think Anarchism sounds more edgy and they have a cool logo which makes a great patch to put next to their Black Flag or Misfits patches.

Again, you seem to be fixated on wanting to discuss the validity of belief, as I already stated, I consider the debate of the validity of having religious beliefs themselves one way or the other to be an asinine task, also one that is not the subject of this thread, so take it to the atheism thread edgy boi.

Now I know you did not personally read the Bible.  The source is the fucking Bible.

It is all about "we are all equal in the eyes of the Lord", "do not collect the riches", "sell all your belongings and give it to the poor", "slaves and master are all the same" etc., etc.  The idea of not wanting to become rich on Earth but instead distributing wealth (Matthew 19:21) to the needy is the principal mantra of communism.  John 13:16 - "Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.".  Matthew is full of socialist directives.

Guess what?  We do not have the same skills and abilities (direct contradiction with the Bible), masters are smarter than slaves; that is why they are fucking masters.  We do not desire the same things.  The idea of the distribution of wealth to the poor and needy was first introduced in the Bible.  

Matthew 6:2-4
2 Thessalonians 3:10
Acts 2:44-45
2 Corinthians 8:13-15
Galatians 6:2
Ephesians 4:28
Matthew 19:21
Luke 3:11
Acts 4:32-35
Acts 5:1-42
1 John 3:17
Deuteronomy 14:28-29
1 Corinthians 10:24
Matthew 6:24
Zechariah 11:12
Exodus 16:16-18
James 5:1-6
Leviticus 25:35-38
Matthew 20:1-34
Proverbs 28:8
Psalm 112:9
2 Corinthians 8:1-9:15
1 Corinthians 9:7
Jeremiah 29:7
Proverbs 30:8-9
Deuteronomy 15:9-11
Revelation 13:1-18
Revelation 1:1-20
2 Thessalonians 3:1-18
1 Thessalonians 4:1-18
Philippians 4:1-23
Philippians 2:1-30
Luke 12:1-59
Matthew 25:1-46
Isaiah 65:21-22
Proverbs 28:27
Proverbs 18:8-12
Psalm 118:8
Psalm 112:1-113:9
Nehemiah 1:1-11
1 Samuel 2:3-11
Deuteronomy 23:24-25
Deuteronomy 10:18
Leviticus 23:1-25:55
Exodus 23:10-11
Acts 4:1-37
Acts 2:1-47
John 12:1-50
John 10:1-42
Luke 3:1-38
Matthew 25:15
Matthew 20:15
Zechariah 14:1-21
Micah 2:1-3:12
Jeremiah 32:1-44
Jeremiah 17:1-27
Jeremiah 5:1-31
Psalm 81:1-82:8
Leviticus 23:22
1 John 3:12-23
Galatians 6:1-18
2 Corinthians 9:7
1 Corinthians 12:1-31
Luke 11:1-54
Matthew 26:1-12
Matthew 19:21-24
Isaiah 26:1-21
Isaiah 25:1-12
Proverbs 31:9
Proverbs 13:4
1 Timothy 5:8
Romans 13:1-14
Luke 14:13-14
Mark 7:24-29
Matthew 25:31-36
Matthew 13:44
Amos 8:1-14
Ezekiel 17:1-10
Isaiah 3:1-26
Proverbs 29:21
Proverbs 27:17-27
Proverbs 20:13-30
Proverbs 19:10
Proverbs 17:14-28
Proverbs 11:18-26
Proverbs 10:2-7
Psalm 109:4
Psalm 28:1-9
Nehemiah 5:1-19
Exodus 23:3
Exodus 18:18-27
Exodus 5:7
1 Corinthians 3:7-11
John 8:32
Matthew 21:1-46
Matthew 20:1-16
Matthew 7:12
Daniel 11:1-45

Problem is that most Christians do not know their own shit.  They are Christians only because they were indoctrinated by their parents and/or grandparents.  They know bits and pieces that were fed to them when they were little.   Anti-socialist or Anti-communist Christian is an oxymoron.

Jesus was the first Socialist.  

You are in denial.

Narrowly interpreted cherry picked rambling shot gunning of sources

Those who say so are mistaken. It is just a religion, very peaceful.
I have a few friends of Masulman, they are very friendly.

Jesus was the first Socialist.  

You are in denial.

Those who say so are mistaken. It is just a religion, very peaceful.
I have a few friends of Masulman, they are very friendly.

Okay.

Here's the last couple days of Muslim "peace."

2019.04.09 (Egypt)
A 6-year-old is among seven locals dispatched by a teen suicide bomber.
2019.04.09 (India)
A prominent Hindu leader and his guard are assassinated by Muslim radicals.
2019.04.08 (Pakistan)
A polio worker is gunned down by suspected fundamentalists.
2019.04.07 (Nigeria)
Two female suicide bombers take out three innocents in a crowd.
2019.04.07 (Afghanistan)
A child and two women are exterminated by radical bombers.
2019.04.05 (Philippines)
Abu Sayyaf shoots a hostage, while another drowns trying to escape.

So 6 incidents out of how many people?  Sounds like ....

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

So 6 incidents out of how many people?  Sounds like the problem is that you don't know any muslims and these storeis in the media are the only time you hear about muslims.  The problem is your lack of perspective. 

Care to source how many "Christian" terrorist attacks happened over the last few days since you think this is just a matter of selective reporting?

Yeah it turns out that all sorts of attack are always happening.  Its a big world but obviously anyone who is informed by breitbart is going to be an Islamophobe.  Its not your fault.  They are intentionally cherrypicking the information they give you.  You are their victim.  
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Yeah it turns out that all sorts of attack are always happening.  Its a big world but obviously anyone who is informed by breitbart is going to be an Islamophobe.  Its not your fault.  They are intentionally cherrypicking the information they give you.  You are their victim.  
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Those people saying that all Muslims are terrorist are mentally retarded so just ignore them! Majority of Americans has this kind of thinking, therefore United states is home of retarded people!

Yeah it turns out that all sorts of attack are always happening.  Its a big world but obviously anyone who is informed by breitbart is going to be an Islamophobe.  Its not your fault.  They are intentionally cherrypicking the information they give you.  You are their victim.  ....

Your dumb charts say nothing. I mean...

Right Wing - 120 incidents - 120,000,000 people
Left Wing - 20 incidents - 20,000,000 people
Islamist - 60 incidents - 6 ISIS members

All it means that when the other billion and a half Muslims are activated, there will be an additional 15,000,000,000 Islamist incidents. And they could be activated any time because it's in the Koran.

8)

Activated  ;D You mean like cyborgs?  :D

Saying that "Muslims are terrorists" is a very dangerous blanket statement that should be shunned for collective peace.

This is a sensitive issue, some of those thoughts usually stems from the fact that many terrorist claim such affiliations but I know of Moslems who are peace-loving, many are usually from western climes and are positively influenced by western values of tolerance, equal rights and less instances of radicalization.

A Muslim man in Arizona was arrested for four honor killings — his wife, two daughters and the man with whom he believed his wife was having an affair.

According to Phoenix Police Sergeant Tommy Thompson, "[Austin Smith] said that the reason he shot these individuals is because in God's eyes, it was all right for him to deal with someone in this manner who had been involved in adultery, extramarital affairs."

Smith also told police he killed his seven-year-old daughter because she was "weeping for the wicked."

According to court documents, he said spared his three-year old who was found hiding under a bed because she reminded him of himself.

As in many cases of honor crimes, some will protest this was merely a case of domestic violence (not withstanding the horrific nature of the crime). And in truth, what is the difference?

Quite simply, even though we don't know Smith's psychological profile, we can surmise someone capable of killing his children in cold blood – not to mention his wife and her suspected lover – has to be deranged on a certain level.

Yet, when we look at the underlying ideology that drove his behavior, we also have to conclude that believing that such actions are sanctioned by God is quite motivating. While Smith may be a convert to Islam, those steeped from birth in the honor culture indicative of many Muslim countries have taken in this ideology in a rational way – and when circumstances presented themselves, many have seen fit to act on it.

Take the case of Shafilea Ahmed, who was just 17 when her parents forced her siblings to watch as they stuffed a plastic bag into her mouth and suffocated her to death. Ahmed, whose family had moved to the UK, was horrifically abused by those same parents for years over the fact that she was too Westernized. Her murder was not a spur-of-the-moment decision – a crime of passion in a moment of anger — according to family members.

It took nine years before any family member was willing to break the silence and tell the police (who had never conclusively been able to prove the honor killing) what really happened.

"In a new documentary, 'When Missing Turns To Murder,' journalists, investigators and friends of the Ahmed family reveal the harrowing extent of Shafilea's abuse, and the wall of silence the police were met with from her family and the wider community following her death," The Sun reported the same week as the Arizona honor killings occurred.

To understand how honor killing is institutionalized in many Muslim countries, one only needs to look at their penal codes:

-In areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority, a man who kills a relative is either pardoned, given a suspended sentence or six months to three years imprisonment which is reduced further once appealed.

-In Syria, an honor killer was exempt from punishment until 2009 when the punishment for honor killing became a minimum of just two years in prison.

-Jordan, which has one of the highest rates of honor killings, and in Iraq, punishments are significantly reduced for honor crimes, as directed by the penal code.

These discussions about religion are never going to end. Christians vs muslims vs hindus vs atheists vs agnostics and so on. It's just sad to think how divided people are because of this. We brand people in general even if there are also different factions and believes within that certain religion. No compromise, no giving ground, either you're with us or against us. It's just disheartening to think there will never be real peace between humans.

Notre Dame Burns!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlaxZtwUpVc

I am sure the religion of pieces had absolutely NOTHING to do with this. This is becoming a pretty clear pattern. Europe, you are going to have to make some hard choices very soon.

Quoted to prove how islamophobic you are.
At this point the cause of the fire hasn't been determined.

Phobia is usually reserved for communicating the idea of irrational fears. There are plenty of very rational reasons to be afraid of Islam. People like you would keep pretending until all of Europe is Eurabia. Keep telling yourself I am the irrational one until you are the foreigner in your own country and your will submits to theirs.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

That'd probably be Stalin, communists don't mix with religion though.
Are you really gonna claim that people have no reason to be fearful and distrustful of muslims when you have stuff like Taqiya?
I don't want to condemn a whole people, but I will condemn their religion and behaviour, fact is that a lot of muslims are doing their best to destroy western society in the name of their god, and then a bunch of you come out and start yelling "Islamophobia" to silence people.

I'd prefer it if you'd actually show with your deeds, rather than words, that you truly have peaceful intentions and want to benefit the human race as a whole.

`snip`. your God or prophet has sex with goats.

Your god is a filthy beast in which I wouldn't waste my piss on if he were on fire.

The Abrahamic religions, also referred to collectively as Abrahamism, are a group of Semitic-originated religious communities of faith that claim descent from the Judaism of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the God of Abraham. The Abrahamic religions are monotheistic, with the term deriving from the patriarch Abraham (a major biblical figure from The Old Testament, which is recognized by Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others)

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are the Abrahamic religions with the greatest numbers of adherents. Abrahamic religions with fewer adherents include the faiths descended from Yazdânism (the Yezidi, Yarsani faiths), Samaritanism, the Druze faith, Bábism, the Bahá'í Faith, and Rastafari.

As of 2005, estimates classified 54% (3.6 billion people) of the world's population as adherents of an Abrahamic religion, about 32% as adherents of other religions, and 16% as adherents of no organized religion. Christianity claims 33% of the world's population, Islam has 21%, Judaism has 0.2% and the Bahá'í Faith represents around 0.1%.

Why is it that no one is interested in this discrimination against Muslims? I am sure my words which may hurt some feefees are far more important...

"The World's Hypocritical Silence as China Imprisons its Ethnic Muslims En Masse"
http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-worlds-hypocritical-silence-as.html

With anonymity dying, folks tend to be careful to not offend anyone so they don't become "persona non grata".
If people could separate the middle-eastern people from the muslim religion, we'd have an easier time dealing with these issues.
About your comment regarding a commie-muslim alliance, seems to only be the american commies, the chinese aren't having any of it lol
There was a "recent" incident where switzerland refused to let them in when they refused to share hands, good thinking right there, if they won't give you such basic courtesy -- you can be sure that they aren't trying to assimilate.

This mass fear is IMO the primary goal of all of this constant spying, training you all like obedient little dogs that they whip just enough that they don't dare bark unless ordered to. The people responsible for taking our rights FEAR US, the only way they can win is by convincing you that you have no power over them. Together they don't have a chance. If you run and hide we all go in the cage.

There are however a lot of compatible goals within Communism and Islam. The left and Islam have a very strange alliance. They both seek a global government and use the other group to achieve their goals, and they both expect to defeat the other once those goals are achieved and the time comes...

If people could separate the middle-eastern people from the muslim religion, we'd have an easier time dealing with these issues.

^^^ And even if it was all a set-up, just to make Middle East Islamists look bad, the dangers of Islam are really just as bad as the set-up made them to look.

8)

I would also point out that for the last couple of decades there were no non-islamic terrorists except Breivik, but he is not a relevant example.

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Current muslim stuff is an outcome of EU and US policy. In Australian mosques imams are telling people that women shouldn't wear hijab in Australia because it is not accepted by local culture. And for some reason generally, muslims are not arguing about that.....

Now I don't want to compare Hitler with Abu Bakr al Baghdadi or the NSDAP with ISIS. But just want to make one point clear. The ISIS claims that they are butchering the infidels as per the instructions given in the Islamic holy books and tenets. On the other hand, the NSDAP never claimed that they are exterminating the Slavs, Jews, Roma.etc as per the instructions given in any of the Christian holy books.

NO. We shouldn't say that to them because they are also people that need love from each other. We need to stop saying it to them and we should understand what they are experiencing right now. We are not perfect people so we should correct our wrong doings.

Learn history. .... The entire world has been permanently victimized.  People also forget the crusades.  ...

All terrorists have their reasons...I don't know where you are, but theres a good chance some other type of people once lived on your land and I doubt you would be so understanding if they came in and killed your family to take their land back. 

^^^ Then Genghis Khan came along and messed it up for both sides. He was a religiously tolerant shamanist. But he exemplified what the Islamists were really after... the stealing of the property of others.

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Learn history.  The British, Dutch, French, Spanish, Portugese, and American empires killed more people than Stalin could ever dream of and it was all through the power and will of their christian God (according to them).  The entire world has been permanently victimized.  People also forget the crusades.  The impact of Islamic terrorism is miniscule and not even on the same order of magnitude. 

Sometimes its easier to see the small, new thing than the thing that is everywhere all around you all the time. 

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How can anyone know what you really are if you say you are a peaceful Muslim? ....

Unfortunately, the radical Muslim tends to do some unnecessary doings just to promote in the Name of Allah.
But I think this happen to all religions also, there are cult which they thought that they follow the right way base on should we say bible or any scriptures. This terrorist group are the radical Muslims  in which they interpreted Quran differently. Its all about the interpretations.

I agree with you.
Holy books or religions are not good or bad by itself.
People are the ones who interpret the meaning of holy books and people influence others to do good or evil.....

Those terrorists don't even care about their religion and go about killing anyone thinking they will get God's blessings. They rape, murder, torture and trade women saying that God wants them to do so and which holy book says that? ....

Freedom of speech does not mean one can play with the sentiments of others or to pass remarks which can hurt there...

....There are around 2 billion Muslims living in this world and world is blaming 2 billion people because of few extremists and oppressors. Around 70 to 80 million people died in world war 2 just because of single person "Hitler" so should we blame Christianity or Germany for this, obviously no because you can not generalize whole population.

Freedom of speech does not mean one can play with the sentiments of others or to pass remarks which can hurt there. There are around 2 billion Muslims living in this world and world is blaming 2 billion people because of few extremists and oppressors. Around 70 to 80 million people died in world war 2 just because of single person "Hitler" so should we blame Christianity or Germany for this, obviously no because you can not generalize whole population.

Yes that is EXACTLY what freedom of speech means, and this is exactly why Islam is not compatible with Western values or freedom in general. Islam is a globalist totalitarian supremacist political system under the guise of a religion. Even if 10% of Muslims are extremists, that is still 200 million radical Islamists committing acts of terror and violence. That number is unrealistically low as evidenced by these stats (https://www.quora.com/How-many-extremist-Muslims-are-there-when-compared-with-the-wider-and-world-wide-Muslim-population?share=1) as well as many others. Shariah law is not compatible with freedom, period.

As far as WW2, last I checked this was not a religious war, and Hitler and the Nazis were not particularly fond of Christians either. He did however get along quite well with Islam (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/islamic_fascism_the_nazi_connection.html). Islam needs to clean its own house, because the West is waking up to the taqiyya and if you refuse to clean your own house we will do it for you on our terms not yours.

History shows how tolerant Christianity is, until one day they are oppressed too much, then they will spend every waking moment dedicated to obliterating their enemies. No one wants that. Stop pretending Islam does not have a problem, because the world knows it does, and either the real true Muslims can work to repair it or wait until the world starts striking back without mercy. If the only thing Islam respects is strength then their cups will overflow with it until they are washed away in a torrent of blood. The times for making excuses for Islam has passed. The time for reformation is now. I want people to have freedom of religion and to worship God how they choose, I will not however stand silent while this vile violent supremacist ideology is given the protective cloak of religion to protect it from criticism. Islam itself deserves criticism.

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

Arguably the Japanese side of WWII may be considered a religious war. This is often overlooked and the concepts are somewhat confusing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/shinto/history/emperor_1.shtml

Divinity of the Emperor

Many cultures have attributed divinity or significant spiritual gifts to their rulers. The rulers of ancient Egypt and Rome were treated as gods, and medieval kings (including England's Henry VI) were regarded as having the ability to cure diseases with the royal touch.

The Japanese concept of the divinity of the Emperor is often misunderstood by Westerners. Neither the Emperor nor most of his people ever thought that the Emperor was a God in the sense of being a supernatural supreme being.

From the 6th century onwards it was accepted that the Emperor was descended from the kami (in this context gods), was in contact with them, and often inspired by them.

This didn't make him a god himself, but rather imposed on him the obligation of carrying out certain rituals and devotions in order to ensure that the kami looked after Japan properly and ensured its prosperity.

It may not be likable, but yes, freedom of speech means exactly that...


Perhaps half of the WW2 deaths were due to Japanese aggression, which bears numerous similarities to Islamic extremism.

Certainly you can and should blame the whole population, and Germany, because it was the country as a whole that went to war.  It was Germany that we fought, not Hitler. It was Japan and it's people that fought in other lands to enslave them. Not the Emperor.

Duhh...

Now, does Islam seek to establish a world wide caliphate, or does it not?

Yes that is EXACTLY what freedom of speech means, and this is exactly why Islam is not compatible with Western values or freedom in general. Islam is a globalist totalitarian supremacist political system under the guise of a religion. Even if 10% of Muslims are extremists, that is still 200 million radical Islamists committing acts of terror and violence. That number is unrealistically low as evidenced by these stats (https://www.quora.com/How-many-extremist-Muslims-are-there-when-compared-with-the-wider-and-world-wide-Muslim-population?share=1) as well as many others. Shariah law is not compatible with freedom, period.

As far as WW2, last I checked this was not a religious war, and Hitler and the Nazis were not particularly fond of Christians either. He did however get along quite well with Islam (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/islamic_fascism_the_nazi_connection.html). Islam needs to clean its own house, because the West is waking up to the taqiyya and if you refuse to clean your own house we will do it for you on our terms not yours.

History shows how tolerant Christianity is, until one day they are oppressed too much, then they will spend every waking moment dedicated to obliterating their enemies. No one wants that. Stop pretending Islam does not have a problem, because the world knows it does, and either the real true Muslims can work to repair it or wait until the world starts striking back without mercy. If the only thing Islam respects is strength then their cups will overflow with it until they are washed away in a torrent of blood. The times for making excuses for Islam has passed. The time for reformation is now. I want people to have freedom of religion and to worship God how they choose, I will not however stand silent while this vile violent supremacist ideology is given the protective cloak of religion to protect it from criticism. Islam itself deserves criticism.

...this comment of your is showing your hate for Muslims and islam and you are talking about peace. This clearly shows your tolerance.

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how could you say that. Who invaded Afghanistan, Iraq. How can you justify barbarism in Myanmar where Muslims were killed because of their religion. Who invaded Palestine?

I'm not sure you words mean what you want (translation issue?)

Tolerance would be the opposite of hate for Muslims.


Why is it not a question to ask? For example....At one time, the Soviet Communist Party had a specific, avowed goal of taking over the world. The USA does not. Israel does not. Today, China does not. Etc. It's easy enough to figure this out.

this comment of your is showing your hate for Muslims and islam and you are talking about peace. This clearly shows your tolerance.

there are more than 50 Muslims states in the world and have enough land to live we do not want to invade any other country to caliphate. No Muslims country runs by a caliphate so how can you accuse Muslims of that

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

I don't really care what you think. I know who and what I am. Your finger wagging bullshit is meaningless. I am not some castrated European you are used to dealing with, I am an American, we don't tolerate enemies of freedom. Your condemnation means nothing to me when I see Islam murdering Christians, apostates, and homosexuals by the hundreds every month then claiming to be the religion of peace out of the other side of their mouth. I am not ashamed of what I said, you however should be ashamed of yourself before God for supporting such a violent tyrannical ideology rather than reforming it.

and that is why you Americans are killing thousands around the world on the name of freedom, putting sanctions on countries trying to show your power on weak countries. Than God save the world where you people are living to preach freedom of speech

First of all America is not a religion, it is a nation state. Like I said if Islam wants to make this a game of might makes right they will get the contest of strength they so desire. I would prefer Islam had an internal reformation process, but even the reformers within Islam fear the extremists and can make no progress. I wish Muslims could live in peace, but they do not let others live in peace while they cry oppression in the same breath. Islam exploits tolerance, therefore it will receive intolerance until this is resolved, it is like physics. It has nothing to do with judgement or hate. You can blame everyone else all you like it does not change the fact that Islam is causing many of its own problems attributed to the rest of the world. I am free to say all these things here, if I was in your nation how long do you think I would be free or alive if I said these words in public?

i admit that some Muslims are extremist and we causing many problems for Muslims as well but that’s what I am saying you can not blame whole community for this. And if you were living in my country I assure you no one will harm you for these remarks. We are also trying to eliminate this intolerance and this proves that it’s not a problem with Islam, it’s the problem with some people

I don't hate all Muslims, but I tell you what I sure as fuck don't trust them to do the right thing either. As they say here in the USA "talk is cheap". You can talk about reformation within Islam all day, but I see the results of the tumor growing within Islam every day in the form of new bodies. As I said before, it is like a law of physics. It is irrelevant how many Muslims are involved because eventually no one is going to care because the extremists are too much of a threat. The West tried tolerance, but this tolerance was only exploited. A counter reaction is inevitable because Islam refuses to control its own house. This is not a threat but an observation of bodies in motion like a boulder rolling down a mountain. Eventually it will hit the bottom, and I assure you Islam is not going to like what it finds in that valley as suddenly the entire Western world says "fuck tolerance" in unison.

the West promotes tolerance in their society only and spreading hate and war in other regions of world. You are exploiting Africans from years and using their resources and when they raise their voice against you people you call them intolerant and same is happening in different oil rich countries. What about venezuela North Korea, kim jong is extremist ?

Freedom of speech does not mean one can play with the sentiments of others or to pass remarks which can hurt there. There are around 2 billion Muslims living in this world and world is blaming 2 billion people because of few extremists and oppressors. Around 70 to 80 million people died in world war 2 just because of single person "Hitler" so should we blame Christianity or Germany for this, obviously no because you can not generalize whole population.

"The West" is not protected from criticism. "The West" does not wag their finger at you telling you that you are Westophobic when you criticize its flaws. "The West" doesn't throw people off of roof tops for being gay, or stone women for being unfaithful. "The West" does not seek to kill people who abandon its Western values. "The West" is not a religion. I assume you are Arab based on your name, excuse me if I am wrong there, but as an Arab you have some cantaloupe sized balls talking to a Westernerer about exploiting Africans. Do you have any knowledge of the ancient (and modern) slave trade run by Islam out of Africa? Every crime you point at the West for Islam has 3 more skeletons in its own closet it is trying to hide. Perhaps instead of pointing your finger out and making excuses you should start looking inward, because the excuses and "whataboutisms" aren't enough any more.

.... this comment of your is showing your hate for Muslims and islam and you are talking about peace. This clearly shows your tolerance.

Very well said. Especially the opening statement that ""The West" is not protected from criticism."

"The West" is not protected from criticism. "The West" does not wag their finger at you telling you that you are Westophobic when you criticize its flaws. "The West" doesn't throw people off of roof tops for being gay, or stone women for being unfaithful. "The West" does not seek to kill people who abandon its Western values. "The West" is not a religion. I assume you are Arab based on your name, excuse me if I am wrong there, but as an Arab you have some cantaloupe sized balls talking to a Westernerer about exploiting Africans. Do you have any knowledge of the ancient (and modern) slave trade run by Islam out of Africa? Every crime you point at the West for Islam has 3 more skeletons in its own closet it is trying to hide. Perhaps instead of pointing your finger out and making excuses you should start looking inward, because the excuses and "whataboutisms" aren't enough any more.

because the West is not a religion, or a belief have no followers. And islam is a religion with over a billion followers and you stereotype all because of few that’s why we hate this freedom of speech and stops world from criticising islam

because the West is not a religion, or a belief have no followers. And islam is a religion with over a billion followers and you stereotype all because of few that’s why we hate this freedom of speech and stops world from criticising islam

I do not hate Muslims. not every human being is bad right. even I have committed many crimes like when I was a kid maybe I also stole some candies from a shop. it's just your point of view of how you see a situation. some people will say they were bad and some will say they are not. but does it really changes something? even if they are bad are you doing anything to change them. are you there to teach them what the correct path is? no, you are just spreading some rumors which you heard from others.

I do not hate Muslims. not every human being is bad right. even I have committed many crimes like when I was a kid maybe I also stole some candies from a shop. it's just your point of view of how you see a situation. some people will say they were bad and some will say they are not. but does it really changes something? even if they are bad are you doing anything to change them. are you there to teach them what the correct path is? no, you are just spreading some rumors which you heard from others.

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(

I think there is always a scapegoat in the community.

Who is the most violent perpetrator of the massacre? Who?

I Think "" Hitler "!!! He persecuted 6 million Jews. With that we blame the Christians for that ?, Hitler, He's Christian ,so because he persecutes the Jews, it does not mean all Christians are like that.

Then , How about Muslims? are they all terrorists? Are there organizations that want to create a " Muslims Phobia" ?
It is inappropriate for us fellow humans to hate and kill each other.

what do you think?  

....suicide bombing is the signature of Muslims....

Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that?
what do you think?  

I don't think they are, except from a few radicals. I would like to point people in the direction where all this terror labeling all starts from:

• the action movies we watch today usually paint a bad image about these people
• news, media houses do more damage by acting bais on what to report...depending on who is involved
• lack of information, religious speculation...all this if not handled well leads to fingerr pointing.

because the West is not a religion, or a belief have no followers. And islam is a religion with over a billion followers and you stereotype all because of few that’s why we hate this freedom of speech and stops world from criticising islam

Islam's ideology will always be criticized because it does not belong in the 21st century.  Nevermind its supernatural claims.

The year is 2019, not 719.  Women and men regardless of their sexual preferences have equal rights.  Slavery has been abolished.
Women can vote and wear whatever they want.  Adultery is legal, so is drinking of alcohol.

Muslims have been terrorized by Islam.  You guys are afraid of your own bullshit.  You cannot criticize Islam, you cannot even draw the main characters from your 'holy' book.  You live under a religious dictatorship.  You are afraid what your family or friends will think of you if you even doubt the bullshit in the Quran.  Islam has you by your balls.  You are a prisoner of your religion.

In short, you are fucked up.  So is your religion.

I have being to Arab countries and you will be shocked that they will force everyone to follow their routines which is absurd and when they come over to western countries they want to force us to follow their stupid ideology which is crazy, if they cannot tolerate the freedom we have and wants to restrict everyone even after coming into our part of the world, they should just move out of the country and settle in Islamic countries.

:'( Why so many people say "Muslims are terrorists"  Should we say that? :'( :'(
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