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What do you guys think about China urges to ban all online gambling in Philippines?. One of their reason is that "The embassy said many of the Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippine casinos or POGOs and other forms of gambling entities are subjected to what media described as modern slavery due to severe limitation of their personal freedom and also Beijing welcomed the suspension of the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

I know what is POGO's and yes many chinese works there and as of now there still contructing the area and still unfinished and they planned to build a casino . That pogos name is Island Cove and the governor who own that island sold to the chinese and allow to build casino and many Filipino complain about that. But I hope it will not affect the online gambling because of the Pogos.

I don't think that the Philippines will heed to China's call to ban all online gambling because one of the main source of income came from the casinos may it be online or offline and it's very critical to have that income as the Duterte administration needed that badly to fund the build build build program.

For now, maybe they can ban all Chinese from gambling on the Philippine soil, they can come here only as tourist.

I think the Philippines government will not take a hard action to ban all online gambling because they believe that is not all Chinese citizens who were playing gambling but every people who visited the gambling places. So it does not make sense if the Philippines government ban all online gambling because if they do that, they can lose the income from online gambling unless the online gambling is not paying the royalty or revenue to the government. But as long as online gambling still give a royalty to the government, I think the Philippines government will protect them and will provide an explanation for China government.

China has put the care of the Philippines about the gambling life of its people. They don't want that the worst thing happen in China will not be a curse to the citizen in the Philippines being in huge debt because of gambling https://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/238562-analysis-duterte-pogo-dilemma.

With all that matters, President Duterte will take action which is favorable to the community and not for the sake of money to be collected from the said POGO's start-up. If they agreed with the rules and policies imposed, probably they will continue to run this gambling institution.

Sounds like more of a issue with embezzled funds and illegally recruited workers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-china-gambling/china-urges-philippines-to-ban-online-gambling-idUSKCN1VB16P
Tough to get a online gambling license if you live in this part of the world

Oh well, many Filipinos are complaining about the influx of Chinese workers here so this call should be supported by them.

I don't think the Philippine government will take heed to the call of the Chinese government because, at this point, it's one of the country's major source of income and it needs all the funds it can get to accomplish many of its huge plans.

Aside from illegal workers,  the Chinese government probably found it disturbing also that they are missing out on the incomes generated from online casinos.

Earlier this year, I opened up this thread: Philippines' PH Resorts Group gets regulatory nod for $350 million share offerin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102350.0)

So it looks like Philippines is somewhat leaning on online and offline casino to bring revenues in the country. So I doubt that the government will listen to China, if Philippines wanted to stop it then they shouldn't offer gambling licenses and stop the influx of Chinese coming to the Philippines. But it's too late already, in my opinion. There is big money involved here, and I think that Duterte won't heed their call.

I read this news when you opened this thread some time ago and I was wondering why should China give that type of other to Philippines! It will be unfair if Philippine decide to ban casino and both offshore and online gambling. This is one of the biggest revenue source for Philippine and it just like asking China to stop manufacturing phones and other forms of technology because it is destroying African economies.

I don't think that this is fair for Philippines.
Philippines is a free country with its own rules and regulations. And I think that the gambling industry is one of the most profitable in the country. If they ban online gambling then this will be a strong hit for their economy.

If Philippines need China's help for their development of their country then they might accept their call but this reason is enough to ban all the gambling activities on other country where millions of natives having that habit? I don't think so,they might implement a law like Chinese don't have to run or work in a casino and if they found their Visa or any kind of legal actions will be taken against them.

That’s the most stupid advice China made so far.knowing that Chinese is the biggest Gambling operator in the Philippines?and the most illegal workers so far is  Chinese in casinos they’ve run?this only proves how sh*t their government towards Philippines
And also the “Philippine Embassy “as well is part of this as they are not strict in implementing the law about alien workers and besides they issued a special working permit so the so called “professional Chinese”can work when the truth is laborer is what abusing the permits
Duterte must be strict about these abusive Chinese that commanding the country while the truth are being abused

If the Philippines agree to that, will they stop bullying the country?

I don't think so. They roam the seas that they do not own, and now they want us to ban online gambling for them? If I will be the one deciding to this I will say no. Filipinos are not fund of online gambling so I don't think this is a problem in our country. That is their problem, not ours.

as long as the gambling is not illegal and have a proper certificate i dont see any reasons to ban it but let say its the opposite or if gambling dont have any certificates and other legal documents to show , the ph country should have banned them instantly without any signal for china  .  when it comes to bullying  , that is already a different story  .   china might insist to continue doing it   .  we know china is also ambitious and wants more power

I think it's the obligation of the Chinese government, to restrict their own people from going to the Philippines and working illegally, in the Philippines, there are huge migration of Chinese, in fact, there are areas in the capital of the Philippines that are full of Chinese workers, there are even restaurants and establishment dedicated to Chinese.

They cannot catch and do surveillance to all these Chinese immigrants there are too many of them against only few immigrants agents.

It's good news that the Philippines suspense the issuance of new licenses for Philippine offshore gaming operations (POGO).

It's Ironic that they ask to ban all online gambling site in the Philippines because Chinese citizen are working illegally and are
subjected to "modern slavery" due to severe limitation of personal freedom while they themselves are doing the same
to their citizen and their citizen doing the same to other foreign workers. if you ask me, I think they have other motives why they
are asking for this.

How come China is meddling on Philippine affair now?  They have been so close and even the President of the Philippines allows the influx of Chinese and I'm sure they've given the blessing to Duterte to open its flood gate to gambling business in the Philippines. So it's kinda ironic that now they are advising them to shut down forms of gambling? I'm sure there are some political motivations behind this and it seems that the relationship are going sour now, specially after their meeting recently.

Any further explanation about this news? Why are they talking about "modern slavery" is they are bullying a country and I think it is like the Philippines are their slaves telling us what to do or what to think of. It is all in the hands of our President, Rodrigo Duterte to ban or not to ban online gambling.

Hell no. This issue is nothing to do about harassment of China in the Philippines especially on the islands which have more controversy.

Online Gambling is different with that, for what I heard, lot of Chinese people that are from China who is just landed in the Philippines just to operate gambling because, in their country, the gambling is illegal.
And those Chinese operators told that they have a lot of customers in different countries, not just on the Philippines, and I also heard that most of their customers are Chinese that didn't from China which is really unbelievable, I really can't trust those interviews and news about current issue about gambling in the Philippines now.

China want's to microhandle its citizens while gambling is deep rooted in Chinese society. There are many Chinese going to bordering town to gamble and many to launder their money. Macau and Hong Kong has been more restrictive that's why they are moving further. Chinese are familiar to online crypto gambling and a large amount of gambler comes from China.

For PH government they shouldnt really grant such request they dont just like for Chinese money to go out on their vicinity.China been restricting gambling and its citizens do love to play by means on online gambling and those who operate on PH does give the gateway.The only mistake i do see on this is that they should be at least having the license or authorization and ph gov can utilize these POGOs to get up some tax implementation for some additional.

Well, I don't know if the President of the Philippines will follow the demand of China because this is not their territory anymore. Yes, maybe there are dozen of Chinese people who live in the Philippines but banning gambling just because of them perhaps, hell NO.
Indeed, the Philippines has a good tax on the gambling industry and it also helps to grow the economy. I think that will never happen, they will never dictate the press. Duterte. Well, OP, good to see if you have a [link] for reference. https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/30/1947660/china-cant-dictate-online-gambling-ban-philippines

Duterte has nothing to do with it, its the opposition in the government that tries to bann Chinese gambling operation and since they are picking just few of these established ones, the Chinese instead urges to bann all. This is politics in the Philippines, those who doesn't like Duterte wants to break the current relationship of Philippines and China. They all put in the mind of the Filipinos that Chinese are not good and tries to colonize us which of course isn't true.

I don't know how much influency China have on Philippines and it's difficult to trust in China government
Why don't give better jobs for people instead of try do obligate another country to do something?

This is the simple solution, if these people have good jobs, they won't seek in another places

The government of the Philippines should decide whether they have to accept the wish of the Chinese government to ban all of the gambling online. I just don't know yet if it is better to ban gambling online in the Philippines if it is giving a good trade in the economy they shouldn't risk of removing it unless there's a lot of Filipino people involve in the said complaints.

Does China really urge PH to ban online gambling? In what jurisdiction China has to urge PH to do such action? Maybe the best thing they should do is to urge their citizens to stop doing online gambling on foreign lands. I don't think China has the rights and jurisdiction to interfere on Philippine businesses (be it online or traditional).

They go to the Philippines just because they think that their President won't have any control in there and they can continue their illegalities. However, they forgot and even mistakenly know about the Philippines President. The friendly approach of Pres. Duterte towards China gives him a chance to have awareness regarding these gambling activities which is run by Chinese people. If China's President would suggest declining their application, it sounds like Pres. Duterte will follow(IMO).

I think giving licenses for online gambling in the Philippines, should be stopped, there are so many chinese immigrants now in the Philippines, it's like a mass exodus, in the old times we only have chinatown in one place, now they are everywhere.

What I don't like about this chinese is they act like a bully, they think they are more deserving than the people in their area where they live, in fact, some of them do not have a license to work in the Philippines.

Why would they urge Philippines to ban online gambling?? It's not Philippines' fault if Chinese citizens would work illegally in the Philippines, as if they're forcing them to do so. I know Philippines especially Duterte are being kind to China but that doesn't give rights to China to interfere about Philippine government and their action towards an issue and the country.

Philippines is a small economy and it depends on more neighboring countries for the development. This can be of infrastructure, and various other forms of development. China will not force without any perfect plan, and this time of Philippines didn't take necessary precautions China will surely make some strategies to eliminate.

From a common man's view Philippines won't consider this a big issue, because even if Philippines ban all form of gambling activities still there'll be gambling through bookies and other sources.

There's separate laws between this countries and yes I agree that they can't interfere whatever decisions PH will decide to this matter, they should be strict sending their people here and work with illegal gambling activities, though since this  two leaders have good bond there's also chances that it will be grant by the president if this issue  also will affect the nation.

Here's an actual news article on the subject for those interested in learning more:

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/22/1945493/china-urges-philippines-ban-all-online-gambling


It doesn't have anything to do with Chinese harassment directly but it would be a bitch move if Philippines decided to ban all online gambling because the Chinese told them to. Obviously China has its own problems -- they should stop restricting the freedoms of their own people instead of asking other countries to restrict theirs.

And I don't think the Chinese government have the right to order or direct another sovereign country on what to do about its policies whatsoever. If the Chinese are to stop gambling in Philippine, then the embassy should be closed from absenting people from Philippine.

If someone violating the rules of their country then they will face legal actions so most of the activities will be stopped from gamblers side but like you said it will encourage more illegal form of gambling which can be never restricted by the government and also they will lose taxes by banning the gambling activities in their country.

Well, their sovereignty is different, even though  two leaders are very close, but if Philippine leader take  action requested by China, there will certainly be many protests from  people. Each country is free to regulate its own country without governing or governed by other countries, I think Philippines must remember that.

I think  two countries are better off making agreements that are specific to Chinese citizens who are in Philippines alone, if they violate, extradition legal policies of  two countries will apply and these offenders must be prepared to be deported to China. It is unfortunate indeed if  Philippine government also prohibits all forms of gambling only because of Chinese citizens while  population of gamblers in their country is very high.

I don't think that the Chinese government is ordering the Philippines to stop gambling, that's just a friendly request/statement to stop crimes committed by Chinese in the Philippines because of gambling. I don't think someone could dictate the President of the Philippines on what to do here but for sure he will consult his advisers on this matter and he will decide whatever is good for the Filipino people and not for the welfare of the foreigners in the country. 

Why would you ban the gambling in Philippines ?  If Chinese citizens working illegally in Philippines with their own will, china should make rules for their own country to discourage such activities. You cannot ask another country to ban something, only because of your own citizens.
POGO offer online gambling services not only to china but worldwide. The Filipinos have small percentage of them working there and mostly are the other countries nationals including china.

Gambling is already ban in china. But around 250,000 Plus (Rough Estimate)  chinese nationals are doing gambling Jobs through this Pogo services. If they only ban the Chinese nationals, this problem can be solved. But I doubt Philippines have any intentions of doing this.

It is a wrong move in the Philippines president if they follow the dictation on the Chinese government to ban all form of gambling in the Philippines. If there are Chinese people who involved in that online business gambling industry they must restrict by their own people, not by the country of the Philippines. Nevertheless, I have doubt that this is not urging force but instead a piece of friendly advice. The country of the Philippines was friendly of their neighbor country but when it comes dictating I dunno if they will follow, sounds like slavery if they do.

If they follow what china is dictating them, then for sure it will come under slavery. No independent county can follow other countries directions and rules. However Philippines government can see how it can mutually benefit both the countries. Also there are many POGO licensed being issued already, so if this ban is implemented  how will it impact the current market.

Philippines, obviously, will not ban all online gambling casinos but might impose tighter regulations to prevent illegal Chinese workers.

While it sounded inappropriate, this "urging" is still good for me. It shows that the Chinese government is also serious and I won't be surprised if a cooperation between the two countries will be formed to combat illegal workers.

The government's leader of the Philippines as of now is a smart and down to earth man, he would definitely stop illegal activities including gambling or not, online or not if it is against the laws. As far as the Chinese folks abide the laws of the country, they won't have any problems with the kind of business they will establish. As of now, I only heard one local gambling called the lottery, because it's corrupted and are somewhat against the laws, even if it a big company he doesn't care, any nationals can have their way of building casinos as long as it follows the rules, with or without China's heed.

Those illegal workers should be send home and not to allow to do their stuff inside Philippine land, but it will still be depending from how the government will take this call and how they will favor the urgency of this issue, in terms of online gambling the government have it's own sets of rules there's good chances that it will keep that and it won't affect other online gambling institutions especially those who are covered and following the rules of govern institutions.

It is indeed true that it's not the Philippines fault that chinese citizens are gambling or work illegally in the Philippines. What I think is that they should just set a rule that of they found out a chinese work illegally then they must be brought to prison because of it and leave Philippine Government out of it.

I agree with you that they should be send home and my opinion is that it is the best solution. Chinese won't work illegally or become a modern slave that they don't have freedom and no gambling companies or institutions will be affected or the same as you mentioned.

I don’t know what’s the real motive of China about this another controversy but what I think is the issue of illegal gambling in the Philippines and also the illegal workers that involving all Chinese people.but whatever’s their position in this matter they should have asked the president politely not like slaves that whenever they declaring something Filipino has no option but to follow them.l
But you are right that President Duterte is still the last words for this and I trust him to give good verdict in everything special involving our sovereignty and freedom

The Philippines should ban Chinese using their facility to work as online operators, and the Philippines should just let their locals handle everything about online gambling, these Chinese are competing locals for work, they should just limit Chinese from entering the Philippines.

It's because Chinese people are trying to go here just to do gambling. China has already banned gambling in their country so some Chinese businessman are trying to make money here in the Philippines through Gambling.


Well, it's for our own security and hopes that China doesn't have any plan to destroy our economic stability.

To read more: https://www.rappler.com/nation/238192-china-wants-philippines-ban-online-gambling

If you compare both china and Philippines , china is a much more economically stable country and they do not need to destroy the Philippines economy which is already under pressure. 
If china insist on this and there is no action from Philippines , they can ban their citizens on traveling to Philippines.

I think the Chinese government just want to address their problem with their fellow countrymen who are illegally working on the PH. I think it's more like they don't want to make too much stain of their country for those Chinese people who work illegally in the PH casino. This i think is just an address to the situation and the Chinese government is not forcing the PH president to do it if it complicates something IMO.

If there is any country that would even want to put a stop to gambling, then it should definitely not be China because this people are born with gambling, gambling is inbuilt in them. I can boastfully say that the increased number of online gamblers is mostly from Asian and china to be specific.

I doubt it if Philippine government would comply with this because they also have a right to their decision making and moreover, they are not really in the same territory. I will have to get full information before I will understand better where this is coming from because the post is really not very explanatory enough for me to comprehend.

Is Philippines part of Chinese territory? I had always thought Philippines is a country, or no? Or maybe Chinese government was just trying to get Philippines ban online gambling because it thinks alots of Chinese are moving to Philippines to gamble illegally and in poor condition. Well, I hope it is the latter.

Well, that is a big NO. Nothing to worry because country of the Philippines was not under the territory of the Chinese government. If a lot of their citizen visits the Philippines and gamble how about the country of Macau there are also a lot of Chinese gamblers there. Who are they to dictate and demand the Filipino government just for their own sake? Philippines government and Chinese government has recently had controversy regarding West Philippine Sea territory. So, what now and what the reason for following their demand.

this is the sentence that makes me uncomfortable

https://i.imgur.com/zoJPLWt.png
source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-china-gambling/china-urges-philippines-to-ban-online-gambling-idUSKCN1VB16P

Online gambling is just innovation from traditional gambling, and we all know that MACAU (one of the cities in China) is one of the largest CASINO cities in the world, so their reasons aren't quite right.

Online gambling is not dangerous, but fraudsters under the guise of online gambling which is dangerous, they should know that online gambling cannot be stopped, but they can regulate their existence under the laws of their respective countries.

I don't think China was serious about this. They were just suggesting what could have been done since the government is banning POGO.

The Chinese are like:  If you are baning POGO, you might as well bann all kinds of online gambling.

If an ambassador has to read between the lines, its like Try baning all the online gambling in the Philippines and see what it can do to Philippine economy.

Its not really that hard to make up some google searches;

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-china-gambling/china-urges-philippines-to-ban-online-gambling-idUSKCN1VB16P
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/22/1945493/china-urges-philippines-ban-all-online-gambling
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/08/21/19/ban-all-online-gambling-china-urges-philippines

Decision will depend if PH will comply on this one.

LOL why get rid of an income stream just coz Chinese are running these illegal operations for their gambling thirsty brothers in the mainland? Just tighten immigration controls and monitor those coming in to make sure they are actually doing "proper" work.

The unemployment rate in the Philippines is high even for people with degrees so when you see immigrants from say China or Nigeria coming in and saying they're migrating for work, shouldn't you be suspicious?


It's gone quite downhill that we now see Chinese nationals kidnapping Chinese tourist gamblers in the Philippines. It's often in the news. I would say go through the list of Chinese operated POGOs a shut down those that with violations. I think the Chinese should still be allowed in as tourists but not as workers in these obviously exploitative businesses.

Chinese were not gambling illegally, they were working illegally in those casinos in the Philippines. I think the Chinese government want was to get rid of these Chinese workers in the casino but i don't think it would be that easy to just ban gambling in the Philippines. The Philippines government should decide the decision because i know it would alter another problem if they did that automatically.

They tend to oppose then it will surely alter some problems yet they have currently have issue with that South china sea dispute problem but there are already some nations
whom do react on such issue https://www.rappler.com/world/global-affairs/239022-united-kingdom-france-germany-concerned-south-china-sea-tensions
Its actually a hard thing for PH to make such opposition and i believe they will deal on this one.

If some of the factors you mentioned are true then I will support that the Filipin Government should not take the advice by the Chinese Government serious since they ( Filipino) are benefiting from casino business. I believe in the theory that someone must be worse off for another to be better off.

Is that not fault pf the Philippines government, china people has no discipline because they all greedy, we know a lot of online gambling operate herein the Philippines is legit but some china citizen, stay herein in the phillipines to operate illegal gambling.
I think not a solution suspension, the solution is banned the Chinese people to enter in the Philippines due to bad reputation of their people.

I don't know what will chinese people think about banning them in philiplines. I'm sure you know what chinese people did to spratley island. Even their warship is in Philippine Area of Responsibility. Duterten said that it's okay that they can come in philippines just don't bring drugs or duterte will kill the chinese drug pusher.

exactly! am not being a racist here but common, i have had encountered chinese in my lifetime in so many ways, so i fully understand what youre saying here. they should not dictate the philippines on what to do but tell it to their people. tbh, they are out of the line here.

The thing about online gambling is that there are literally hundreds of online gambling sites located throughout the world, so banning online gambling in one country is not going to make a significant difference especially when one can use a VPN to access any online casino, poker room, sportsbook or bingo hall from anywhere in the world.

I agree with you I think they are even encouraging their people to immigrate to China because they know they can act a superior here, Philippines immigration should limit the number of Chinese coming in, some of their businessman here are just exploiting local people by not giving the right wages.

Not all Chinese people don't have discipline in the gambling game. I am sure they have those discipline, not just in gambling but also in the other field. But I think that what your saying is right that some Chinese people run the gambling business in the Philippines. Perhaps, the Philippines government doesn't need to ban online gambling because that will be too difficult to do, except they block the internet access which contains the word "gambling" so all people in the Philippines cannot access online gambling websites. But that will not stop people from playing gambling as now, and they have another option to visit the gambling websites.

If even 90% that does online gambling here in the Philippines are only Chinese I guess that's more reasonable for China to ask but if not then I don't think it needs some attention by the Philippine government. Not all that do online gambling in the Philippines are Chinese and if that's the only reason they can think of then they should issue visas for their citizens that ban operating gambling or even gamble on offline/online casinos in the Philippines.

I think China has no care what’s the economy of every countries they are abusing because what’s important to them is to gain and to benefits from the gambler in each country

And I believe that this is not about the Chinese creating gambling business here but it’s about the Philippine government and the law must be implemented ,because admit it or not there are still people in government that letting this  abuses happen just for good amount to go under their tables,things that the people of the Philippines are suffering.
Yeah President Duterte want everything to be under the law but he cannot do it herself and he needs us

It's still dependable from how the Pres will see this concern. And since he's the leader of this country, then he's the one who's responsible whatever he wanted to treat this case. China can speak according to how they are seeing the problem. But since their jurisdiction is limited, they will need to wait from what the Philippine president's final statement, either it will be in their favor or if there's other way to treat this matter.

I am not sure what the "modern slavery" is all about if we are talking about the working conditions here in the Philippines for this Chinese workers. I see them walk around freely in Ortigas Center Pasig and live among the locals and they can easily blend with the crowd. If its the salary that they are talking about, that is subjective because the worker agreed to be paid in that amount. 

I don’t need to extend another sympathy on this issue as it was already mentioned everything above ,but what I want to share is my Respect to the Philippine President Rodrigo Roa Duterte as a man of power and dedication.

He will never let any country to dictate over him just like what he does in his past decision regarding EU and US,for sure he is will not doing any action if not for the country

On the other side the China’s word is an advice to stop the issue about the growing Illegal gambling and also illegal migrant in the Philippines.many are just over exaggerating the issue but it’s for the benefits of both countries I believe

Well in China, the things is very different if you compare it with the US. It is all banned in China. You are penalized if you are spotted gambling or providing gambling facilities. I think same is the case in Philippines where gambling is illegal. But there are no laws about the online gambling so majority of people are very involved in the online gambling.

Whatever reasons the Chinese government have, I feel it's still not their call to make. An outside government has no business with how the other government runs his country.
What the Chinese government has to do is to caution his own citizens.
And I feel the Chinese government is being too rigid to their citizens especially on the issue of gambling. This is why most of them migrate to other countries where there will be lesser power control.

They have influence on Philippine to a good extent but this is still not enough to enforce a decision that’s against their will on them. I am waiting to read the response of the Philippines government.
I want to correct the impression that China did not provide job for the citizens, this is absolutely not true. I believe you understand their population, and their economy is also good. Maybe you should visit my country and know the definition of unemployment.

I just want to read the reaction of the government if they would really stoop low to implement the ban because I don’t understand the essence of that ban at all. Philippines are very good with gambling and china is also into gambling, so many of their citizen’s gamble and most of them are into online betting.

The irony here is it's not even the only employed job for Chinese citizens here in the Philippines, aside from gambling they are also being employed to a lot of blue collard jobs from construction to manufacturing. If they are really aware of the situation they would stop all of these Chinese "tourist" to be working illegally here in the Philippines. Like I said the illegal Chinese workers here as tourist and there only reason on visiting the Philippines is not to tour the country but to find work illegally. The Chinese government is spreading their own story and is making it look like the Philippines is the ones at fault here when they can't even control their own citizens on finding ways to work illegally in the Philippines. A much more stricter travel regulation for their citizens and certain sanctions could help them stop it but they would rather want to stop a certain business sector of the Philippines so that it would go away which is really a dumb idea tbh.

Its completely illegal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_China
Havent you consider why these Chinese nationals tend out to fly to Philippines? because its completely prohibited on there.
They do make operations online in PH and their main customer are China citizens itself.

Gambling in China is allowed in Macau or Macao as its a partially self autonomous territory, they have a setup where gambling is controlled and Chinese citizens can visit and gamble, a bit like Vegas perhaps.  Similar to Hong Kong this is a former colonial area transferred over to Chinese control in 1999 and in some way separate to the rest of China and its laws, its economy is mostly driven by gambling as far as I know.    

Of course every government wants people to serve only their purposes when a population will always go its own way and be most productive and active when allowed to innovate inside a free economy.  China has a command economy and expects to command everything and everyone, this is not the most productive economy imo.
    China actually has a falling working population, its a giant of a country and in some ways communism allows it to appear very focused but they have weaknesses developing for sure.   I worry about China believing they can pressure and control other countries like they control their own people, it may cause conflict in the region.

Then it doesn't make sense if the Chinese government want to ask the Philippines to ban all online gambling website in the Philippines because they allow gambling in Macau. But if the reason is that the Chinese government doesn't want their citizen who lived in the Philippines become poor when they involve in gambling, then it makes sense. The Chinese government doesn't want their people will get poverty in the other country because they are work in the Philippines to get money, so they need to save that money than to use for playing gambling.

There are a lot of reasons that China wants to ban online gambling. What I could think of right now are the taxes to be paid to the government. Like now, the gambling industry residing in the Philippines are spending a lot of money with regards to taxes, Php 579 Million in 2018 was reported in this article [1] (https://www.rappler.com/nation/238192-china-wants-philippines-ban-online-gambling). They are significant revenue for the Philippines, and the Chinese government might want that, but the reason that they have is that it is for money laundering, which can be real and it houses on what they call "modern-day slavery." [2] (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/30/1947660/china-cant-dictate-online-gambling-ban-philippines)

In my view, they are just looking out for their people. Let's see how it would turn out soon — hopefully more updates to come.

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References

[1] - China wants Philippines to ban online gambling by Sofia Tomacruz (Rappler) (https://www.rappler.com/nation/238192-china-wants-philippines-ban-online-gambling)
[2] - China can’t dictate online gambling ban on the Philippines by Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) (https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/08/30/1947660/china-cant-dictate-online-gambling-ban-philippines)

This is a very huge number when the fact is they are only giving half of this number working visas, some of them are illegally working in the Philippines, we do get taxes on this online gambling, but we so many Chinese coming in the country and working illegally, we will have a hard time tracking who are working legal and illegal, in fact, some of them are working as construction workers here.

I smell of being greed on this, they want to stop and ban online gambling in the Philippines because they realize that the revenue generated incomes on their under controlled gambling business in Macau was lessen or missing out on the incomes. That's real, this is all about business and I know what is the attitude of Chinese people when it comes business.

Anyway, China has no authority to ban online gambling in the Philippines, they cant dictate the President because that is a sovereign decision.

 

How do so many Chinese nationals arrive illegally and work in the casinos? Are these places not regulated and quite heavily so? I think I would easily and straightaway spot Chinese in Philippines especially if they are all uniform staff in casinos. Why do these places not hire local people? Seems very strange to me if this is the case. Half of 130k is 65,000!

Yes, Chinese people are much disciplined gamblers and I believe that is the reason they keep on thriving in all their business endeavors. I don’t think I have ever heard of any Chinese gambler that lost do much huge money like I hear of gamblers from other countries around the world.

Banning internet access  is also something that will be difficult for them in short that’s an impossible mission because the network providers will also not give their approval to this, again I feel china government are over intruding into the affairs of the Philippines. President Rodrigo Roa is a strict man, as much as he has respect for the Chinese government; I believe he wouldn’t do everything that is demanded of him.

Well this is totally the choice of the country no other country could tell the other one to make something and break some rules. If Philippines is accepting gambling and people are using then no one can stop them from accepting but I thinks giving wrong suggestions is surely not acceptable. China should also promote online gambling.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. I'm from the Philippines, frequented local casinos and I will tell you a lot of Chinese are losing big money here. I will give you a link and decide for yourself:

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/society/article/3023624/philippine-police-rescue-man-loan-shark-amid-spike-chinese

So many Chinese borrowed money from their fellow Chinese and if they can't pay they kidnapped them and force their family to pay for the ransom money.

So I don't see discipline here, just saying, just the usual gambler's mindset, addicted, greedy and will find ways and try to recoup their lost money.

It should be China's call on this, the embassy should monitor their people's intention in going on another country, some of them are caught operating these illegal gambling working without working visa and some of them are involved in criminal activities, we have seen some of them doing extortion to their fellow Chinese in the Philippines.

China also once banned the existence of bitcoin in the country, and now bans its citizens from gambling online. maybe this is done for the good of the Chinese state. I think what the Chinese government is doing is very good, the government wants its citizens not to depend on gambling, but with hard work.

Let’s not generalize mate because indeed that most of Chinese are abusive and greed but let’s give respect to other Chinese that living in peace in Philippines because there are still good person in their blood lines

And regarding to spratley island issue,(though our topic )this is their governments stand and not by individuals,they are there because their government allows them too.

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But in the end of the day the loser is people and not the government so whatever the outcome of this all I wish is for the betterment of everyone

When they have the data that approx. 130,000 Chinese workers working in Philippines, it should not be difficult to track them. It's just a matter of Philippines government to be serious on it. As of now, it seems that's it is only the Chinese government who is worried about it and Philippines is happy to get cheap chinese workers.

The scope of sovereignty of China cannot be imposed to countries who have their respective sovereignty, government, and laws. Even if China has a significant impact towards its relationship with the Philippines, I doubt that our government would succumb to their desires JUST BECAUSE the outcome is prejudicial to them. They are already too controlling and making our officials their puppet.

I hope one day that people realize the extent on how China has been manipulating most of the countries. Unfortunately, due to their economic power and influence over the market, they feel as if they are the superior country among other countries.

The issue of banning online gambling rests on our laws if our government finds probable cause to do so. This would require hefty amounts of data, statistics, and actual injury caused by online gambling, notwithstanding its economic advantage as well.

Even if the Chinese government is able to have their way by ensuring the Philippines government ban gambling, it does not mean the people will stop carrying out their gambling actions. What they would successfully do would be to create room for it to be done under the radar and from the preying eyes of government and its agencies. It then also means loss of revenue to the government of Philippines that would have been generated from the issue of licenses and other fees they would be obliged to pay because you cannot ban and still expect revenue from that same source.

This definitely wont work and to me it totally a waste of time for the Chinese to urge the Philippines government to ban all the online gambling site cause the last time I checked Philippine was among the nation that loves casino game, dice gambling and sport betting either which is the reason why they also have spider, chicken betting game there.

Is this really the words that China says?or it was exaggerated by the media?i don’t think Chinese President will deliver this kind of command towards other country like Philippines.
Or maybe what China wants is to ban all the Chinese that starting gambling in Philippines so the issue of their people being illegally having a business here will stopped
And also China banned already gambling things that they wanna looks by other countries as example of good governance .(but of course I might be wrong)so please correct me if I am wrong

Would you mind sharing where you check that statistics bro which shows Philippines was among the nation that loves casino. If you based your opinion on the members of this forum then i think it is not conclusive as members of this forum does not represent the entire population of the Philippines IMO.

Heard the news just yesterday where the president has already said that he could not ban POGO as it will affect the Philippine economy and the government has collected substantial amount of taxes from gambling.

Can online gambling be effectively banned as long as there are VPNs and crypto casinos?

Online gambling sites are the most effectively governments happily to ban the fact that the online gambling sites consider as illegal, but to be honest it’s not effective though when there’s still VPN to gamble in crypto casino’s that is capable to use and the servers in locations where betting is legal that VPN can provide.

The Philippines is becoming stricter on online gambling anyway so I don't know what's new about this one. They would go great lengths to promote on-site gambling in casinos and whatnot but would harshly prosecute those online gambling operators and players. Just goes to show how crooked the law is in the Philippines and yes, some casino workers are Chinese which are employed by these big casinos.

The user who has a skill about internet connection and also playing gambling will not find any trouble to access the gambling site because they know they can visit the gambling website by using VPN. The best is they can use the free VPN access and don't have to pay a subscription fee in monthly so they can play gambling with easy. Yeah, maybe the banning will be on local gambling places because it's too difficult to ban the gambling site as the website itself don't use the hosting from the Philippines.

This will not be ban, we have a fresh news today.

https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs (http://Duterte won’t ban Pogos: Many will lose their jobs)
It's coming from the President, so though the Philippines and the China has a good relation, this operation helps to improve the economy of the Philippines as they are collecting big taxes on this, and also it was mentioned, maybe will loss their jobs.

This is the reason why there is an increase number of Chinese people in the Philippines.
Duterte with its project build build build, he really needs a source of funds and casino is just a good source of funds IMO.

On the taxation side, we ca see in this news,
https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/06/17/1927013/special-report-inside-philippine-offshore-gaming-company


Did you see the figure, that's 138,000 foreign workers at an average salary of $1500 per employee, so that would total to $207,000,000 salary per month, which means this business is earning at least a billion dollar in a monthly basis (correct my computation if its wrong), and that's a huge amount of money that the Philippines does not want to loss.

By the way, income tax of 25% from $207,000,000 is 51,750,000‬ usd, I just don't know if it's monthly or yearly.

Besides the money, Duterte has to keep both US and China at bay. He wants both to provide assistance to the country, making friends to both will keep both compete in providing advantagous offer. Even the Japanese are offering assistance to Philippines swaying Duterte. All these are political moves, a strategy that has to be maintained like "friends to all".

China has been providing great offers to philippines and I think this is a good path because China is a super power ally.

As a small country like Philippines its much wiser for  them not to oppose on what these super nations would request as long it doesnt completely  degrade up your countries laws and rules since there would be reconsiderationss and these decisions will depend on its president itself. Maintaining good ties with other countries is a good decision and i agree to that friend to all word.

China really provide good offers to the Philippines. But it does not mean they will interfere in the country's business especially on online gambling. Yes China is powerful yet they should restrict their power to their own and not on how a country run online business.

Exactly, some of the Filipinos are complaining the increasing number of Chinese in the country, but they forget that it's the Chinese people who are already dominating the business industry in the Philippines, most of the big companies are own and manage by Filipino Chinese people but they are pure Chinese in blood. For me, gambling is a good business and a good way for the Philippines to increase their tax collection to finance the projects they are planning.

You're right about the government unable to ban users which used VPN app to surf online gambling site but there also huge chance that such user may loose his account or fund if the gambling site actually don't allow twice registration from a single IP address. But, I don't know why the Chinese government are s hard on their people instead of allowing them to do what pleases them since it donest involve stealing, robbery etc.

It's a good thing to be compensated with something that being held inside the country, if the government is not seeing any problem instead getting a good benefits our from collected taxes why bothered being controlled by another government if we can implement our own rules inside our own jurisdictions, there's always other side of things to consider and PH government consider the benefits.

The Philippine government is not complaining, it's China who are complaining, why would the President of the Philippines serve the benefits of other country although they are our allies when the Philippines are making a lot of money in this industry. Let China solve their problems, Philippines are always here to cater this kind of opportunity that is a billion dollar business.

I feel it depends on the relationship with two countries but at the same time, it’s difficult to make a decision for a country and I personally think chine should come down a bit with their strict gambling policy.

Their citizens love and enjoy gambling and most of them just do it to get themselves entertained. The government’s rigidity towards gambling gas not changed the citizens in any way because aside relocating to other countries; a lot of them still find other alternative means to gamble. In my opinion, It will be better the Philippines ignores their threat and so whatever they feel suitable and also I wish the Chinese would someday come to realize that forcing people against their decision isn’t a perfect way to correct a wrong doing.

I think they should ban it, so these Chinese will not come to the Philippines and work as online gambling operators, there are so many of them now in the Philippines and some of them are working illegally, the immigrations cannot cope with the numbers they just keep coming and worse of all they are bribing authorities, they even bully the local people here.

Well, I say not all chinese people are like that there are some that are nice and would surely make friends with you just like other Filipino citizens, but apparantly the number of chinese people here in the Philippines are in worst numbers now there are establishments and fastfood that the owners are chinese, and sad to say that in our building here in makati there are illegal gambling that had recently raided by the authorities, So apparantly that is why the government of China are banning illegal gambling here in the Philipines as well just what they did in their country, Because this country is pretty open with that stuff.

Most of the property here at Philippines is owned by the chinese and I do not know the reason why government still allow that even the only rights to the property if the Filipino citizens I hope soon that POGO will be ban and the Chinese workers will be terminate to their country again and banning a chinese citizens to buy a any property so they will not operate a gambling.

And what business does China have to start controlling the Philippines on how the run their affairs?
 Honestly these are the kind of things that get people fired up to fight for their rights when things get out of control with all these immigrants changing people's lifestyles!

If the Chinese are the problem then immigration requirements to that country should be stiffened to discourage this form of gambling!

And changing the economy of each country as well,because they are running the said country by their illegal works
That’s also the problem the immigration seems to be Blinded by money  ,how this kind of illegal workers can enter the country without their knowledge?or may I say “They don’t really look at “ 😂

In the 21st century, any restrictions should be perceived negatively. This also applies to gambling. Another way will surely be found to circumvent such limitations.

I think they are unhealthy measures, because both Chinese citizens and any citizen of any country should have the right to do whatever they want with their money, and games are always an option, where each person has their own criteria to manage their money, and like any consequence, the more they prohibit the more they will be prompted to do so, they will look for all the ways to play so prohibit it.

They can take away the games, not give the licenses, but the gaming industry is very large worldwide, a lot of money always moves there, some big gamblers who don't have casinos in their countries take as initiatives to follow through the platforms of Online games through cryptocurrencies taking advantage of Blockchain technology.

I don't make the above statement base on the Philippine which are a member of this forum but I made the statement base on the economic situation and the current job level in the Phillippine cause there will be more job availability if the online gambling site are not ban. As you said, their President is not interested in ban gambling site due to the amount of taxes fund the nation earn through gambling site.

Even if China urges Philippines to ban all online gaming if the Philippine Government supports it, the Philippine Government will not impose a ban. More likely it will be regulated than ban. I see there's a sudden increase of Chinese workers here in the Philippines for POGO and I heard operators of POGO are even planning to turn an island just for POGO.

Business opportunity, this is what have seen in some Chinese people that come in the Philippines and start business regarding any form of gambling. Then now, the Chinese government wants to ban and dictate the Philippines because of their business was affected and the good taxes are starting missing on their place. A good thing to know now that the president of the Philippines did now follow the decision of the Chinese government.

That's good, the bigger it will become the bigger the taxes collected by the government.
Maybe this is the reason why Duterte suddenly stop the operation of Lottery one time because he knows even if Lottery will be gone, the government can still make a lot of money from POGO. I believe, the taxes the Philippines earn from POGO is bigger than the income they are getting from Lottery, anyone agrees?

If there is no question for its legality, will it have to think that the Philippine President will spare these gambling owners to promote it in there? Not only China and the Philippines have a mutual understanding, but it is also to consider what could be good in our own territory. We never put some ends with this gambling institution, unless they scam people before in China and they would like to bring it in the Philippines. 

It is a good point and this is the perception I also looked at from. There is a saying that a horse can be forced to the rivers but difficult to force to drink water. You can force them to ban it but what makes you think they will not find alternative means to play?

I think that the Chinese went to the extreme and I am very disappointed in such action but I only hope Philippines will not be under pressure to actually ban gambling in their country. I doubt if gambling was generating revenue for Philippines, if it is, then definitely, they will not even pay attention to Chinese government, they both have their territory.

I'm damn sure you just get the wrong information here. Of all countries in the world China has not interfere any country at all even the Hongkong which were somehow part of them. They still respect the independence of Hongkong due to agreements between them and Britain. If they are going to interfere to any country they would have to start with US to which they know they have dominate in terms of finance.

I don't think they (POGO operators) are paying bigger taxes or the government is earning more from POGO operations than Lotteries. Philippine Lottery was stopped for a few days because of corruption within their ranks so they have to clean up the officers then resume operations. The problem with the sudden rise of POGO in the Philippines is the employees which are Chinese nationals, I don't know if they are paying their taxes right and sorry to say this and I am not generalizing this one, they don't follow building regulations like smoking areas, where to throw away their trash and I heard they are not paid properly by their employers, not sure if its true. Some of them are even brought here in the Philippines not knowing they will work in POGO industry.

They cannot do that to the US in fact they've gave warning to China about interference
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/06/01/19/us-warns-china-on-behavior-towards-its-asian-neighbors

They may have advanced in finance but it's impossible to for China to interfere with US affairs, in fact, they do the opposite they are the one who can interfere to any region's affair and history can prove that

They warn China? Lol and then US has the right to interfere Philippines?

Like US, China is also protecting their trade routes. US has nothing to do with Philippines but they keep circulating the law even the Iceland are interfering philippines but the news doesnt say they are interfering the terms used by the media was the Iceland is concern.

US maintains its threat in our region with the militarized GUAM which is few miles away from Phils. China claims their own on the otherside of Philippines. If philippines take sides on any of the two and follow which country says, we Filipinos are doomed. Our country will be the battle field.

Its best if the POGO continues and the Koreans who populates the basketball courts in quezoncity keeps playing the casinosa too. Qs long as they pay taxes ita good. All are going to be happy

Because of the changes, the Philippines has also become a great tourist destination, not just to those who want to enjoy beaches and the nature in the Philippines, they can also now enjoy gambling in the Philippines.

The increase of tourist and foreign workers in the Philippines is a sign of development, this only means that the government now are allowing opportunity to come in the Philippines and does not allow monopoly from corrupt big businessman in the Philippines. More competition would result to better service, and next thing will happen is more foreign investors will also find Philippines a good country to operate their business.

The President of the Philippines Mr Rodrigo Duterte already made an announcement that he will listen to Chinas request but he will not implement such ban as Philippines needs money coming from tax. Mr Rodrigo Duterte thinks that by following the order of China, that have an impact in the unemployment rate here in the Philippines.

Source: https://business.inquirer.net/278242/duterte-wont-ban-pogos-many-will-lose-their-jobs

I think that was a good decision from the president although I do not agree, seeing how he manage the coffer I am ok with taxing these Chinese and the online gambling operation, the Philippines should have their own network of online gaming so they can also employ Filipinos, and not these Chinese coming here, some of them are bullying local people and not following ordinances from the local municipality.

I don't think the President will see it as a good idea, he even complain that there's a lot of corruption in the government own lottery, how much more if they will add another gambling business own by the government. Also, I think this POGO does not cater the Filipino people, they cater foreigner as gambling is illegal in the Philippines, just correct me if I'm wrong.

Indeed. Since POGO is still legal in Philppines, labor code under the constitution of the Philippines should be implemented there. Hence, there should be a given order that limits Chinese employees there. Otherwise, chinese workers could be inferior in Filipino's own land causing more population of unemployed Filipino workers.

Cheap labor is not a cause of problems in a country. Thats a common fallacy but the availability of cheap goods overall isn't really a negative to an economy that is open and productive to use them.
   The viewpoint of workers often is less supply of plain labour means they will have to pay us more but a company only has so much money to distribute in its costs vs revenue and profits.   Restricting companies generally will yield a weak economy incapable of surviving changes in global demand, its a hard point to stress as many people have a bias towards immigration controls but its fairly certain tax paying workers is not a negative that some think and is not a cause of lack of work or unemployment.    
  There is global GDP growth which means any country operating correctly, efficiently and dynamic enough to adapt should be able to gain some of this business growth available.   We really have to look towards the negatives more then labeling people as they are not this.   We have a similar argument in Europe even in united countries that should be more open to cross border trade.

I guess this is yet another tactic deployed by China since it might be worried that POGO's in the Philippines would have a detrimental

effect on Macau's gaming and tourism industry which I think would be possible once these offshore operations became widespread. Imho.

The online gambling site didnt scam people but it the Chinese government that are not in support of online gambling cause it was consider illegal under the China laws. I believe the gambling situation which happened in China during last World cup was the reason why POGO choose Philippines but participation of china citizen in gambling either in China or overseas  is still consider illegal by the Chinese government.

I don't think so, for simple reason, the gambling sites are operating in the Philippines, therefore they are under the laws and regulation of the government.
True, they are chinese citizen but they can always have their business outside china and those business are subject to the laws of regulation in a certain country where they are operating, in this case, the Philippines.

Chinese citizen had been gambling any where in the world, if it doesn't happen in China where the law is amended its not illegal. Many Chinese goes to Macau to play in Casino and they also do that here in the Philippines where most of them are rich businessmen in our country. They are even partly owner of these POGO. If there is an extradition agreement between Philippines and China, a lot of these Chinese gamblers would have been executed already.

Exactly, the rules that this Chinese citizens who's doing their business is inside the Philippine jurisdictions, meaning to say that they only need to answer and follow those laws accordingly, and with that, those Chinese operators are not being urge to be ban and stop their operations as they still following the guidelines under the umbrella of Philippine constitutions regarding to the ruling of online gambling.

I don't disagree with you about the gambling company been submitted to the rules and regulations of the certain country where their company is established/licensed but the Chinese rules were to restricted their citizen from gambling in or outside China.
Do a free google search and I will confirm my saying.


We both know that they can gamble within China which is what happens during last World cup tournament but the Chinese government don't joke with their rules and regulation which was the reason why they urge the Philippines to ban POGO.

These Chinese have no problem operating in the Philippines if only they follow the laws/regulations on online gambling but some of them are just so hard-headed. Don't know why violate the law or they are in for some illegal businesses and online gambling is just a front.

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1822131/Cebu/Local-News/200-foreigners-taken-into-custody-for-illegal-online-gaming

It's true that some chinese citizens don't follow the rules and regulations of the Philippine Country and in result the government of china will think that they are considered as slave or getting hurt in working or doing business in Philippines. I think the reason they violate the rule is because some are lazy enough to get the papers needed to have business in Philippine country.

How come Chinese do not follow the rule of Philippines or any other country ? They are going to Philippines on their own will and Chinese government do not want this to happen. If they are so concerned about it, why not Chinese government offer better employment opportunity in their own country.

I believe that it was not only some of them instead the majority of Chinese Gamblers,operators and employees are abusive and taking advantage the weaknesses of PHILIPPINE government

If whatever tactics Chinese may have here the most affected party is the Philippines,they have been abusing this country for many occasions and this must be stopped

Well in Manila alone they do not respect the mayor there, I'm glad the mayor arrested some of them for littering and disobeying traffic rules and no smoking area, they thought they can treat the city as their own and bully everyone here, immigrations should act and give them a warning or deport these violators.

China is already over populated and the people who can find other places to work will be entertained right away, in this case it's the gambling activities where the Chinese government is urging to be banned those Chinese operators who managed to get approvals from Philippines government are the one they are referring, since it's online and it's overseas they can't handle the situation making it more easier from the business owners and to those who are patronizing this activities.

I am sure china has met their match because from my point of view, Philippines will not give in to this threat at all. I don’t even see the necessity of asking another country to make a ban, there would have been other approaches.

I am sure there’s a very close relationship between them but I hope this case will not abuse that because definitely at the end of the day one party will be hurt. Or if I am to suggest, maybe they should have an agreement or proper understand on this . I don’t know the reason Chinese is so much against online gambling site and this sites do not scam people. Even though they do, communication with the right bodies will get this eradicated with complicating issues.

Why is China trying to control the Philippines in general? Not to mention, the lands that they have taken so far in the Philippines lol. Now this online gambling thing. But you can't erase the mentality of Filipinos to be fond in gambling. And, Chinese? Some of these sites were owned by them? Is there president ready to dump them?

Checked this issue again. So far the Philippine government haven't caved in, which is surprising considering how its president kisses Xi's ass all the time. Time will tell if they can keep it up. The Philippines was already humiliated with how the S China Sea issue is turning out, getting rid of an entire income stream just to appease the Chinese government would make it a laughing stock.


I remember one Chinese woman hurling her drink at a train station security when she was told she can't bring it inside. They really are rude af.

I believe their government are too strict and forget the laws that applied to their country and citizens concern gambling was not valid to the Philippines.
Some of the site will definitely be owned by some China citizen since some of them moved to Philippine to play or work for the POGO company.

They thought they have the power to dictate the decisions of the government. They are testing if the Phl govt will be persuaded by their call. But unfortunately, the Phl Pres said not at this time. I hope the Phil has the balls to throw these Chinese from the islands that are clearly not part of their country. If you will check the map that they want to fully control, it is out of their jurisdiction. Why in the world that they think it is owned by their forefathers, the reason why they insist to construct infrastructures on those islands?
I believe the Chinese govt thought that the Phl govt will always follow their whims.

If you're thinking about the China's side of this action, it's because of illegal gambling. Chinese are here in the Philippines because they're doing illegal gambling, in China, gambling is banned so they're going on different countries to make a gambling business.


I also hate China for dictating what to do but I think this is for the better. If you go to the south part of Luzon, like in Cavite, Las Pinas, Paranaque and others, you can see a lot of chinese business there and that's gambling. Those people are retarded and disrespecting the law of China so they went to Philippines, that's why they're disrespecting the filipinos too.

The President as i heard on his statement about the issue is against gambling but the government need the money for it's project and besides it's not the president alone who will decide on this, this will pass on the congress if there are amendments on the gambling laws of the Philippines.


The West Philippine Sea issue is different and nothing to do with this one. How did you know that the Philippines is "getting rid of an entire income" on the West Philippine sea? Do you have insider that tells you what is happening?

I don't know about Philippines, but China is becoming (if it not already is) the country of censorship and bans.
This is usually bad for the consumers since they are left with fewer choices.

Now... there could really be some danger and the banning is planning to protect the consumers, but China doesn't have the brightest past.

There are so many illegal gambling in the Philippines and China might just want to help Philippines to prevent that kind of game. We know the number of Chinese workers in the Philippines has increases a lot and yeah, a big regulation should be implemented so we can assure that the Chinese people in the Philippines are working legally. We don't want to control by China but the government of the Philippines are not doing anything to prevent that, well let's see in the coming years what will happen to the Philippines.

China is not controlling Philippines. We are just so controlled by the media that all the news we hear are somewhat the truth. The President because he isn't from any dynasty of the northern part of Philippines, he is surrounded by critics including those in the government, senators and congress and the cabinet members.  

The Chinese demanded sorry from Ninoy Aquino during the time of hostage taking but the news in media doesn't even say the Chinese wants to control Philippines.  The issue is just the POGO and its all settled POGO stays just as always during the previous admins.

I don't understand why this news has created buzz when it's obvious that the government will never stop regulating this operation and the China has no control on the Philippines to stop this.

Philippines needs to improve their economy and they can only do that with the increase of tax collection, and this one is an opportunity so there's no sense they will let this stop just to facilitate the request of China. Philippines to be the gambling capital of the world seems to be possible in in the future because the government is very supportive and this is what gambling operators are looking for.

As I have said previously, there could be some political motivation behind China urging the Philippines to ban online gambling.  But I do believed that Philippines has its government body to oversee those online gambling and I don't think that China has control over it. Maybe China is just testing the Philippines here as they have already built a solid relationship but it sounded that its over specially with the West Philippine sea issue.

Yes, and that agency is the PAGCOR and they are also in charge in issuing license to those who applied and qualified to operate.
Full source : https://kmcmaggroup.com/research-insights/2019/doing-business-in-the-philippines-pogo-regulations-every-business-should-know/

Its not a test to the relationship of China and the Philippines. It simply is illegal for a Chinese citizen to gamble or even set up a gambling business overseas, same with setting up a business to attract Chinese citizens as their main clients to play or gamble. Sad part is that workers of POGO are claiming that they we're forced to go to Philippines to work on in POGO and pay rate is very small.

I don't think the Philippines has violated any law of China, this local news would not lie for sure.

No Pogo company in PH are operated by Chinese — Pagcor exec (https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1156819/no-pogo-company-in-ph-are-operated-by-chinese-pagcor-exec)

Maybe Chinese gambling operators are using people to handle their business that's why the business is full of chinese employees, but technically, I never see any violation here.

I don't know why this suddenly became a big issue as chinese casinos and gambling houses have been operating not only in the philippines but in other southeast asian countries as well. The chinese are probably one of the top providers when it comes to gambling. It's just because of the ph president's attitude towards china that this always becomes a big deal.

I think this so called POGO is being exploited by Chinese:

https://www.rappler.com/nation/239828-police-file-charges-illegal-chinese-pogo-workers-cebu


I'm thinking that Chinese criminals are using POGO as front, then sending Chinese here to work illegally.

It is creating so much argument because of the way media has presented it. They make it look like the Chinese governments are bullying Philippines not minding or putting their existing relationship into consideration.

It is important for Philippine government to also try to grow their economy, legalizing gambling to avoid too many illegal gambling activities hereby collecting taxes from the gambling operators will not also be  a bad idea. I believe if this was done, china wouldn’t intrude into their activities to ban gambling because they would see that gambling  as a source of blessing rather than how it is being seen now.

That's how corrupt the politician in the Philippines, they have their own group of media who always go against the current administration, therefore people should be aware of this bad publicity because they if they will look deeper, they won't have to complain since this business is bring a lot of money to the Philippines through tax, and that's necessary to improve the economy of the Philippines.

Read my sentence again. I said the Philippines has already humiliated itself over the S China and getting rid of another income stream (aka online gambling) simply coz China asked it is further humiliation.

I do not understand what you mean by china not having a bright past but they at least their economy is growing and favorable to their residents and  they are about to make warnings and decisions because of the standard they have built. This is what I expect Philippines to also think of doing.

In my opinion, I don’t see anything wrong with the decision of china, if the Philippines find it offensive, then they should work on their economy also but as long as they are still below china, they should find a way to make their system better and also dependable rather than corrupting what has been built by another, I am in support of china in this case

You cannot expect something different from a Communist Country’s mate

People are deprived by many things and only governments and those closest to them are having a good return

This same reason why Chinese chooses to live in another countries than on their own homeland,look how Chinese people scattered the world with dominance,and a trivia that only Chinese people is can be seen living in almost every part of each countries,just like in my mother land that I have been seeing Chinese even in those places that considered as provinces lol

How can that happen when the officials that give permits are all corrupted? Those bastards will definitely defend it that it helps contribute to the country by paying taxes. And if online gambling will be banned then the casinos will be petitioned to be ban as well which is never going to happen. I even saw in the local news that investment scams apply for a gambling permit and those Chinese can get it easily.

Maybe the Government is not looking at the Ban in China but looking at the opportunities that this could bring to the Philippines. According to a news report by CNN, the salaries paid to POGO employees are now higher than those who are in BPO's other wise known as call center agents. Also demand for office space also increased specially in Metro Manila area and Metro Cebu.

A ban is unlikely and if ever there is an effort for a ban it will pass through congress and it will take some time to amend the gambling laws and besides the government have received billions of pesos from online gambling which is a very huge help with the current administration ambitious build, build, build program.

Exactly, they are benefiting from POGO, so it's unlikely for the government to ban it.
Billions of money collected from POGO will help a lot for a developing nation like the Philippines and I'm pretty sure Philippines is aware of the gambling ban in China but the law that govern the Philippines is different from China, so Philippines enjoyed the benefit of the gambling ban from China.

Also, I think it will not help only foreign workers as they could also hire filipinos in their business, which means it opens an opportunity to increase employment opportunity and I think the salary is also attractive.

POGO operators plan to hire more Filipinos (http://manilastandard.net/mobile/article/299783) (old news though).

The Philippines needs the money and the influx of these Chinese operating online gaming and not to mention the yen that they are pouring in the economy is good for the country, the only bad side is, these Chinese don't have respect to local ordinances, these Chinese should be given a lesson not to mess with local authorities or they will face deportation.
I think there should be a department set up for this by the regulators to make sure that they are going to respect local ordinances and abide in the laws here. We will see more Chinese coming in now because they find doing business here is great.

I read that it contributed to the local economy of the region where they operate, so I doubt if the Philippine government will comply, the Philippines has become the biggest destination of these Chinese imagine they also take up jobs as construction workers, soon we will see more Chinatowns in the Philippines.

The Philippines President has already provided the Chinese government his response to the calm that their country rules and regulations about gambling are not accept in the Philippines. Mind you, their government are getting enough fund from the tax paid by the gambling company and I don't know why the Chinese government cant accepts gambling which was one of the best passive income for a country like Curacao.

Correct, Online gambling contributes P551 billion to Philippine economy yearly (https://www.rappler.com/business/240305-online-gambling-contribution-philippine-economy-yearly).

So it does make sense that the Philippine government will continue to operate gambling as part of a revenue generated program for them.

They could cooperate hunting down illegal online casino's though operated by the Chinese in the Philippines, like this one, Bitcoin Pishing Scam Goes Wrong (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185671.0).

If they have to stop gambling, they should stop the local lottery as this affects the life of the Filipino, especially the poor ones.
With POGO, Philippines just become a gambling hub as Filipinos are not allowed to gamble, so it's a great source of income without destroying the life of the poor gamblers.

Philippine Lottery has been here fore decades of more, the governments needs to study the effect of that lottery to the majority of the bettors, if it has a bad effect, they ban it and focus on growing the POGO as it brings more money to the government.

Just seen this news, never thought that I've been on a vacation for too long and missed out this kind of news. Why does it seems like China is ordering the Philippine Government? This is absurd if you'll ask me, beside after that Island issue here on the Phillipines now they're urging us to get rid of those Casinos?

Fuck those Chinese.

We've been on that kind of nature for a long time so quitting would be not an option. Not only the government does getting the benefits from it many citizens are also making a living with these casinos.


That was a pretty shitty move for them to slowly conquer us again. If that happens, our countrymen will not accept that having so many places for the chinese shits.

That's what I really don't like about them ordering Philippines to do what they want. They should be more responsible with their fellow citizens if they don't want any chinese people that will be involve in illegal business and doings. If they really want to do it then it's better that they'll do it in their country and leave Philippines out of it.

^ Nah, they won't. Country of the Philippines can stand by their own feet and no one dictates by them. After having trouble on Island that the Chinese ship vessel sinks the Philippines vessel I don't know if they will agree regarding on closing online casino just for their own sake. Online gambling casino gives a good revenue in the country of the Philippines and I think this could help the economic growth.

Indeed, and besides this is our nation they don't have any rights to say what we must do here. Its our own issue so they'd better stay out of it even if they say that it is their own fellow chinese, the fact that their butts are here in the Philippines they can't possibly do anything about it.

I really do hate countries like that, do they really think they're superior? If it is then these Chinese are good as shits.

If the Chinese are so much against gambling, then they should first ban the casinos in Macau (which is officially a part of China). They can't become hypocrites by allowing gambling in some of the regions under their control and then asking for a ban on the practice in foreign nations. And it is not just Macau. Many of the countries in South-east Asia have become hotspots for Chinese gamblers.

The gambling industry is a humongous industry and the best these guys can do is bring this under some control in their justificationto avoid gambling addiction and not going all out to ban this all together out of their control.

Besides Chinese casinos are now finding themselves all around the world which says something about the industry and how the are benefiting from it.

Nah! Get used to it and you should expect it from super nations to behave like this one excluding on others but China been known to be like that
where they do abuse up their power to puny down those small nations in the globe yet they do know on whats their capability but
i agree on the point you had said that each country do have its own laws and jurisdiction on their own and it isnt right to get mandated according to their likes.

Well, I believe China should tighten their security regarding their citizen leaving their country.  As far as I know these online gambling are owned by Chinese nationals, It wasn't the government that inspire this kind of so called slavery, though I have to agree that the Philippines should shutdown any illegal gambling operations and also, should tighten the security on those chinese nationals that are entering the country. 



They can suggest cooperation, I believe this is what China is asking the Philippines, its just these news writer are exaggerating facts and using more stimulating words for their readers to react.

Even so, they should know what will be the effects of it to the Philippine Government, the fact that these Casinos are one of the big payers of taxes, we already have a good reason why it shouldn't be accepted...

Moreover the Chinese Government should eradicate their issues by stopping their own men to live outside their country, but I doubt it will happen. Philippines is already an open country so the foreign countries will be the one who should first make a move regarding to their own people.

Of course, China has hidden agenda behind this statement. I guess Philippines government will not agree and will not accept the intervention of China with regards to handling business like online casinos in their own country.

It has to think also that the Philippines government will listen to China's words towards their fellow citizens but not in a way that they could take control over their guys in the Philippines. It is the government call and to evaluate how these gambling operations run legally or illegally. I know and I believe that President Duterte doesn't tolerate any illegal actions that the people within his jurisdiction will do, either it will be a Filipino citizen or coming from the foreign country.

I don't think K that Philippines will banned all online gambling since these casinos help a lot of people especially in infrastracture. They built school building. So I hope that Philippines will not close all those casinos but they should try limit things just like what you said about modern slavery.

If it's illegal the government will make an action to that, but if not, it will continue to operate and even increase the number of gambling operators in the Philippines. Though gambling is viewed as a bad source of income from some people but we have to admit that we cannot deny this big income the POGO has bring to the Philippine government, we need to take this as an opportunity.

China and Philippines has a good relationship now, but to take away a big income which is billions of pesos, I think the Philippines would not listen to them.
The relationship does not mean that the philippines will always follow, they need to listen to each other and understands the each country's needs and wants.

I don't think this was a good idea from chinese government. In fact they've been doing a long time business operations here in the Philippines, so it's not a fair thing to see if they're forcing us to ban all those online gambling. There's a lot of establishment in ph whose following proper regulations imposed by current administration, and if there's a possible banning it shouldn't be a general order but it should be reviewed if all of those operations we're legally operating or not.

If you think that banning an online gambling operation was not a good idea, just think the future of those people who've been addicted by gambling. Once gambling operation will end, there's a positive impact to the society and financial troubles will be suppressed.
Most gambling operation here in ph wasn't legally operating, they're not paying taxes to the government. China's urge to ph made me think that they had serious involvement of those illegal gambling activities in Ph.

Its nonsense to ban gambling in any case, the whole world doesnt want to be communist like they are.   The reason they have a varied policy is they collect taxes from Macau and it benefits them, the bottom line for any of their logic is will it benefit the party.    They heavily control the capital flow through Macau to try and prevent any exit from the mainland and dollars are not freely accessible.