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EVERYTHING that health professionals might say about CV is hearsay.

Let's get medical people on the stand under oath, under threat of perjury if they don't tell the truth, with evidence that Coronavirus is doing any damage. And let the proof show that it wasn't something else. And let them prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place.

So far, all the threats of CORONAVIRUS pandemic are simply hearsay. Lets get some court-of-law proof before we wreck the nations of the world for nothing.

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It's not for 'no reason'.  It's the largely staged excuse to cover the implosion of the USD world reserve currency, and likely what little is left of the U.S. as a nation.  Makes room for a new order.

It's pretty much over, boys.  Better to move on if you are a former American.  America was 'the big prize' and most of the nano-thermite was used on it's core columns.  Even if 'the violent among them will stumble', the U.S. will still collapse because it was priority #1.

Some of us have a good understanding of what the United States was about, and even a little bit of a recollection of the trailing end of it's promise when some vestiges of our values could still be observed.  It might be possible to bring some of these values to a tiny part of a different country, but it's also likely that all other 'nations' will get sucked into the same black hole.

It's also possible that there will be an opportunity to rejuvenate the U.S. to a degree.  Maybe in 42 months from ?/?/? (where ?/?/? may or may not be last Friday the 13th.)

Thank you.

The point is, when we get down to the basics of Coronavirus, we see that everything we know about it is HEARSAY.

We don't know that we aren't being tricked into believing something that is entirely false.

If it went to court in the USA, you could get both kinds of adjudications. Some courts would say that there is nothing behind CV, and other courts would say the CV is real.

Ultimately way more people will die from attempts at protection from CV, than would die if there were no protection attempts at all!

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seems you have learned the word hearsay. but still dont understand it
i feel you just want to throw a buzzword around to make it sound like you have some legal knowledge

its as if you want to say the word breast to pretend you have first hand knowledge and pretend you are a woman.. your not.. no matter how much you shout a word

just going to court. standing under oath and saying something. does not make it true.
please try to learn a it more and stop throwing out random buzzwords that make it falsly appear as if you know

P.S im still waiting for the answer to the 'la la la' test i gave you. i know the answer. im waiting for you to find the answer and have the realisation that your cult following is not as it seems.
hurry up and have that epiphany
show you can do real research.. im waiting

"Thanky," franky, 1.

So, I have learned "hearsay," right? Your turn to learn. Don't be so obvious when you want to distract from the point. Be more subtle. That way people won't be able to answer you as easily.

The point was that possibly 100% of everything that we (the public) know about Coronavirus is a big HEARSAY without any legitimately proven facts behind it.

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EDIT: You have repeated about a 'la, la, la' test. And I remember you talking about it at least twice. Since there wasn't any test question involved, or enough explanation regarding what the test was about (if there really was a test), I answer it right here, in this edit.

Remember one thing. None of these papers show what would happen in a real pandemic. They are basically only ideas with a little bit of technical, virus-experimentation tests behind them.

We still don't have worldwide-situation proof for what would really happen. So far, all the CV stuff is hearsay, and most, if not all, of the SARS stuff is hearsay, as well.

Or do you have the court docs that prove it to be real?

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the test was simple. you quoted that people should follow a certain path of doing something in court because thats what karl lentz did. then you linked a video as your reference.
i pointed out the case did not go karls way because of the tactic you thought and promoted
the whole "stand aas a man and ask for the accuser to stand"
the actual thing that happened was behind the part where karl lentz 'la la la'd over.
which even month later and many prompts for you to research. you have failed to even try.

so really go try to find out what is behind the 'la la la' enlighten yourself and have a lightbulb moment

also court is not the only way to find legitimacy. proper research is.
do you know that many are falsely found guilty and those who actually do a crime get away with it in court.

if you actually learned and researched what happens in a real court room you would learn wiser methods and not just believe karl lent' 'hearsay' version

now go find that bit of information karl Lentz 'la la la's over.. it only took me 2 minutes. and its now quite weir how you have spent months trying to avoid breaking away from the cult

We have ~every government in the world saying that coronavirus is infecting and killing its people. This is including governments that are effectively enemies with each other.

I understand the argument that one government might be dishonest with the situation and that some governments might be puppets of another government, but this is not the case with every government.

Governments don't say anything. Only people say things.

Get the people on the stand in court with proof. Otherwise it is government hearsay.

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I can understand how you don't want to waste your day looking for the post(s) with the info that you are talking about, but I didn't intentionally post something like that. However, as I have said (probably in response to that post), anybody can lose now and again, even Karl Lentz.

So, if you want to make your own day, find that post and that video, and let's have at it.

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i have told you many times where it is. in your driving licence topic trying to convince people to 'go to court and stand as a man and request to face the accuser and ask them how you have harmed them personally'. nonsense
 your amnesia is not a good enough excuse to explain why after months you cant even try to do research on a topic and links which you yourself brought up

you spout out crap like its guaranteed legal advice everyone should follow. then come back and say 'not everyone wins' meaning no guarantee. and secondly you dont even want to research the ACTUAL reason for the occassional win as it would reveal it has nothing to do with the face the accuser nonsense

What?! You told me something many times?! No wonder you don't remember it. You burned yourself out talking about nothing.

Well, I was ready to look at what you spouted. But since it was nothing, sounds okay to me.  :D

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more excuses.. how lazy

I used to believe that the virus was made by scientists.
I wonder how Italy was so strongly infected by the virus and what is Italy's connection with China.
Those measures that nations take right now should be taken at least 2 months ago in order to stop the pandemic.

There's probably no need to testify because we can use that covid-19 is real as the whole world are getting infected. And those vaccinations every government has the right to chose which company they will buy immunization medicines.

Even in Japan and Korea that has most advanced health care facilities, who creates their own vaccines also got infected. So the answer is quite clear.

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i agree back in january many countries should not have let themselves bring back its people to home nations.
they would have been safe in february if they didnt let chinese visiting tourists come to the home countries of other nations

however. all it would have done was put more strain on the chineses healthcare. and then when restrictions lift months later. then it all begins again.

this is not a thing that just dies off after 3 months. hong kong right now are experiencing a re-newed outbreak by incidentally letting other countries travel into hong kong after the first round. so now they going to go through another round of transmission.
same will happen in most countries. expect a couple rounds of it
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I do expect a '2nd wave' of 'covid-19' it for one reason and one reason only:

Right now they cannot make a credible argument that they have been able to develop a vaccine for 'it'.  When the '2nd wave' hits the story will be that the vaccine has been developed and has undergone at least a little bit of testing.

As such, you can expect to gun at the back of your head as you are force-marched toward Gate's force vaccination + ID2020 tagging station.

The ugly truth about vaccines, their dangers, dismal failures, and devastation to the population is coming out.  Now even doctors are backing out (finally!) as the WHO has recently noted.  These people are desperate to get it (forced vaccination and unique ID tagging) done before the dam bursts wide open.

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I also expect continued trouble getting test kits in the U.S..  The reason why is that there is no legitimate reason to force a person to get the vaccine who has recovered from the illness unless they can make the 're-infection' story fly which is questionable.  They are going to have to say that the forced vaccination is 'harmless and necessary for the collective good.'

I do expect it to be possible to get a 'certified' test and escape the force vaccination and tagging, but quite expensive.  Rich people have no interest in getting themselves and their kids 'the mark'.  Probably they'll be strung along with the idea that they can avoid it, but the trap will snap on most of them anyway.  You know; 'rich and poor, free and bond'.

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How to neutralize ANY VACCINE to avoid damage from the toxins within! (video)

https://www.brighteon.com/2ef84daf-4eea-4e4f-9f3c-d8a726142532

https://g2churchnews.org/

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there goes the chlorine king wanting people to bleach their gut and arm.. not realising it dont do crap to bleach out a vaccine. but can ruin your body

baddecker you really are trying hard to stay in the realm of the freeman cult stuff
an avoiding the real info/education/evidence. your just afraid to admit your stuck in a cult.

no one has a gun to your head. so why are you afraid to get out?

i seriously facepalmed as soon as i seen baddecker advertising MMS bleach yet again

^^^ Why are you trying to get people and governments to stop putting bleach in water? Don't you realize that bleach kills off organisms that would harm people? And that this is the reason why they put it into many of the public water systems, both pools and drinking water, including bottled water?

The freeman cult (as you call it) is what Britain and America are! It's what people live their whole lives with. Why are you so against it? Are you a person who is so rich that you want to make as many people into slaves as you can? Look at the old Soviet Union (U.S.S.R.). It crashed because people don't like slavery.

But here you are, calling the governments of Britain and America, "freeman cult"s in a way that seems derogatory. Freedom is what it's all about.

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How in the world did you ever get so stuck in your kind of quagmire. Wouldn't it be nice to be free? Step out into freedom for a little, and see how fresh it smells.

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There are so many different diseases and strains of flu that fit the Coronavirus symptoms, that unless there is accurate testing of each and every person, nobody can tell if it is CV or not.

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the guru's and guides and scripts you follow. are not men and women that are free(freedom). they are cult that goes by the specific brand freeman

its just like the mason cult has nothing to do with bricklayers. and bricklayers are not generally considered masons
do you get it.
your cult has you brainwashed if they are now trying to convince that all of america and britain and their governments are freemen
you really have dug too deep in that hole


as for your chlorine comparison.. the amount of chlorine in water. vs the dosages of MMS the snake oil salesmen dont even compare.
by the way. i dare you to drink a glass of pool water to the same extent your MMS gurus tell you to.. enjoy the side effects
you seem to advertise and promote all this crap al the time but seem to never actually show first hand experience.
nor show an adequate ability to think critically. nor research it.
its as if you search for a certain some what known person in whatever cultish arena you are in and treat what they say as gospel. where the only proof you need is that they made a video or have a blog

really do try some critical thinking. and stop just triggering yourself to think anyone opposing you must be someone blasphemous and needs to be smitted for insulting your god.
try questioning your gods. or atleast those that write about your gods.. you might learn something

^^^ The idea of using MMS, contrasted with drinking bleach, don't even compare. In fact, if you want to call MMS chemo, standard hospital chemo chemicals are thousands of times more dangerous.

Looks like you are the one following and promoting the gurus.

However, have you noticed that you are gradually moving into standard writing form? It's difficult to hide the fact that you have been playing ignorant all along, when you come up against people who are smarter than you are, right?

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i have been using standard writing form forever. you know simple english. even years ago in this forum i pointed out that i dont buzzword crap. i learn it i understand it, i put things into scenarios and play around with it. then i simplify it for common people to understand
i do that now and i done it all along ..
its you that is suddenly trying too hard to sound like you know what your talking about (but failing)
but good luck ingesting bleach.. it might explain some brain damage many have witnessed

How can you say that medical professionals are lying about the threat of the pandemic, medical personnels have the Hippocratic oath where they are pledging to do no harm to people, and if you think that they are lying then it might not be the case, it might be their government but I think the governmentwouldn't dare put their people in peril just because they lied about the threats the pandemic impose.

Health professionals at work, contradicting their lying supervisors.


IV Vitamin C "Widely Used" to Treat COVID-19 in NY Hospitals (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/279886-2020-03-31-iv-vitamin-c-widely-used-to-treat-covid-19-in.htm)




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Except for the president of Brazil, who says that their people can go in raw sewage and be unaffected.

"The Brazilian needs to be studied. He doesn't catch anything. You see a guy jumping into sewage, diving in, right? Nothing happens to him. I think a lot of people were already infected in Brazil, weeks or months ago, and they already have the antibodies that help it not proliferate," Bolsonaro said. "I'm hopeful that's really a reality." -- https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/brazils-bolsonaro-makes-life-or-death-coronavirus-gamble/2246533/

This is bald faced lying on your part. Lying by omission. You are leaving out the next paragraph in that article, aren't you...

The vitamin C is administered in addition to such medicines as the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin, various biologics and blood thinners, Weber said.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-coronavirus-patients-with-vitamin-c/

Are you calling me a liar? LOL. All I did was report a chunk of news. However, the article is right. Medical people are disobeying their superiors to get things done, and their superiors won't fire them, because things would become very obvious about the CV lies.

Here it is again with you. You call me a liar because I am showing the truth that you don't like? You can't change the truth no matter how much you want it to be different. My hope is that the people will wake up to this big CV medical/government scam before things are destroyed beyond repair.

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I'm calling you a liar because that's what you are. You misrepresented the article's contents, didn't you?

The very next paragraph that you left out I have cited above. It is what it is, deal with it. Here it is again. YOUR ARTICLE, the part you left out.

The vitamin C is administered in addition to such medicines as the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin

I'm calling you a liar because that's what you are. You misrepresented the article's contents, didn't you?

The very next paragraph that you left out I have cited above. It is what it is, deal with it.
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You are becoming upset. You can't seem to even quote properly in your posts. What's the matter? Don't like the idea that you can't defend against something that isn't there to defend against?

The article is the article. You are welcome to post the whole thing. It isn't my article. I was simply reporting on it. I suppose you have gone to the author and badmouthed him in whatever way you can.

The point is that people are starting to act against the unreasonable Coronavirus blab. And it is happening right in the hospitals... where people are overriding their superiors, just  to save lives.

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hydrocloroquin for instance does not destroy the virus. neither does Vit C
in previous topcs of badecker and tvbcoc's advertising of vit C for instance there was a video of a australian guy who claimed vit C cured him due to his family demanding doctors give him megadose vit c

what badecker does not let absorb into his brain. is that the megadose vit C didnt remove the virus over night. all it done was help relax the bodies immuno response. (patient breathed better). the patient was taken off vit C. and because the virus was still there(again vit C didnt remove it) the patient got worse again with his breathing.
so was put back on it to surpress the immuno response


its like someone dying of agony of a gun shot.. painkillers take the pain away but the gun shot is still doing damage.. just the patient cant feel it. by just giving painkiller wont cure the gunshot. but will relax the patient enough to give the patient more time for other medical interventions to be administered

vit C and hydrochloroquin help keep the patient breathing more stable, long enough for the body itself to fight the infection via other biological functions.and other antivirals the doctors give.

badecker and tvbcof both stupidly think either Vit-c or hydrochloroquin are the only medical treatments needed. much like they are trying to say only paracetemol is needed for a gunshot.

they really have no clue about this stuff
many have reported after leaving hospital feeling better. they stop the meds and they get sick again.
this is not because the body is actually recovered and they got re-infected. but its because the meds were just hiding the illness symptoms. and the illness was still in their system waiting to show itself again

the australian guy in the video with the vitC admitted that he was given other meds, on ventilators and had to stay on the meds even for weeks after discharge.

but silly old badecker and tvbcof both want people to megadose on chemicals before even getting sick thinking they will never get sick.
not realising it will just hide symptoms but can still do harm

heres an analogy
a cocaine user may not feel it when getting shot. and may walk around with a wound.. happy as can be.. until he is dead from blood loss

do you get it yet you fools

I've never said a thing about Vitamin C for the simple reason that I've not studied it and thus know nothing about it.

you and badecker both seem to be biting from the same conspiracy blog pages.
maybe i did accidently think you were badecker under a different username by your own foolish antics of conspiracies and stuff.

you (under the name tvbcof) have been going down the path that its all a hoax and no one is sick in hospital. which is just as stupid. so yea i tarnished you both with the same stupid brush.

maybe lay off the conspiracies a bit and actually try researching and people wont confuse you with badecker

That's clearly your problem.  Not mine.  If you cannot keep things straight then maybe you shouldn't blather so much about them.  Just a suggestion.

You are becoming upset. You can't seem to even quote properly in your posts. What's the matter? Don't like the idea that you can't defend against something that isn't there to defend against?

The article is the article. You are welcome to post the whole thing. It isn't my article. I was simply reporting on it. I suppose you have gone to the author and badmouthed him in whatever way you can.

The point is that people are starting to act against the unreasonable Coronavirus blab. And it is happening right in the hospitals... where people are overriding their superiors, just  to save lives.

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[/quote]Right, the article is the article. You posted a selected part of it and made a claim, which is totally different than what the article said, and I corrected your fake news. And nothing in the articles supports the nutty assertion "people are starting to act against the unreasonable Coronovirus blab". You made that up 100%.

Right, the article is the article. You posted a selected part of it and made a claim, which is totally different than what the article said, and I corrected your fake news. And nothing in the articles supports the nutty assertion "people are starting to act against the unreasonable Coronovirus blab". You made that up 100%.
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Still don't know how to quote properly, right?

From the article: "For years regulatory agencies like the FDA have subtly targeted the use of such things as intravenous vitamins," and "Almost 10 years ago, in 2011 it was reported that the FDA sent out a warning letter to a small pharmacy, urging them not to stock intravenous vitamin C. In Australia, the mainstream media has consistently inundated the discussion surrounding health with propaganda over the last 10 years, and vitamin C has been specifically scoffed at."

But the NY hospital is using V-C in its therapy.

So what is it that I am faking regarding the news? The hospital is going against their FDA superiors. If you think that all the major people in the hospital are in favor of using V-C, even if they agree to it on the outside, you are off in left field somewhere.

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The fact that people are sick is true. the idea that Coronavirus is pandemic in its nature is false. Or do you have some real courtroom proof.

Medical people are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak, all over the world where there is freedom to speak, and showing us that the pandemic is false panic propagated by people who want us to believe a lie.

But believing and propagating lies is right up your alley. But you are failing in the propagating. The more you talk, the more people examine what is going on. And the more you are proven false.

So, I encourage you to keep on blabbing, so that people go out and look for the truth.

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pan = around the world
epidemic=wide spread of an infection at a particular time

do you think only chinese are dying. or are you atleast brace enough to admit other countries too..
EG its not just a village/country

do you truly think that while your safe in your basement that no one is actually sick and suffering apart from a small city in china.?

go on be brave admit you know its a infectious thing thats spread around the world. go on. for once man up and actually admit the truth.. just once

No they are not. I know people this pandemic has killed. I have a relative who works with the patients who are sick from it.

Statistics show that the CV thing isn't any worse that illness during the last 20 years. In fact, some of the last 20 years were worse than CV this year. But it wasn't deemed a Pandemic then. Why now?

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Pics, or it didn't happen!

The funny thing is that I would believe your story about all the dead people you used to know and all the patients your relatives have seen from exactly one person on this forum.  That would be you.

Considering the deaths are about 60k and the world population is about 7.5B, the odds of a random individual being killed are roughly 10 times higher than getting hit by lightning.  60,000/7,500,000,000 is 0.000008.  You have a very unusual set of friends and family so it would seem.  A special tribe perhaps?

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By the way, the 60k reported deaths worldwide from 'covid-19' include people who had stage 4 cancer and multiple organ failure but since they had the coronavirus in their system they were reported as 'covid-19' death.  About 82% (87%?) of the reported deaths in Italy were similar, and the U.S. reports the same way.  Small wonder that the U.S. is 'mirroring' the Italian numbers where a country like Germany which, presumably, reports things in a less politically convenient way is running something like a 0.1% mortality rate just like one would expect for any medium flu or seasonal coronavirus.

Sorry about your relative. But have you actual proof that it was CV? Or might it have been something else and only attributed to CV? Or was it only that CV was present and nobody really knows what the cause was? How do you know?

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oh tvbcof
people are self isolating.
over 99% of people have not even got it.
yes of the small amount of people that do get it ~80% of people are asymptomatic
of the remaining 20% 14% are mild and 6% are severe and of the severe amount. some are dying from it.

i know you think that 60k after weeks of isolation seems like isolation is pointless..
but imagine the extra deaths if people didnt self isolate

just imagine if everyone went into extreme herd immunity of licking making out with infected people to guarantee they will get it
the number of people needing hospitals (6%) would overwhelm hospitals. to such a point that hospitals wold not cope in february/march. and it would become near all 6% that would die

imagine it 300m where 18mill cant get access to breathing support so die.
now imagine 99% isolation.. so 3mill atrisk pop.. so the number is more of 180km at risk. if all in one week would be 90k deaths as there are only 90k ICU beds
now stagger the numbers over a few months and the deaths are less because hospitals can cope more


again.
now go back to a position if there was no self isolation and realise the difference

JUST WAKE UP and stop acting like badecker

Actually, there's an aspect of this matter that I would like to mention to you. It's the take on your various conspiratorial perspectives. (A) Oh, but they could have died of something else... (B) Oh, but the powers that be are inflaming the crisis beyond any reason (C)Oh, but the low number of people in hospitals...
(D) whatever else you've mentioned that I may have not paid attention to...

Namely, that these things for most half way intelligent people are not "False" but are "also true." None of them are contradictory to the basic reality of a major pandemic. None of them I disagree with. All of them I disagree with if alleged to be "all that there is."

At least you are not pushing quack cures.

Of course this is a complex and multi-faceted issue with a bunch of people and entities trying to do a bunch of things.  Many people probably make the mistake of assuming that everything has a central point of planning.  The mistake probably comes from fiction where in order to tell a story it needs to be simplified in order to be coherent.  In reality most things tend to be, or rapidly become, fairly chaotic.  None-the-less one can see the shadows of a finite number of major interests through the mist, and if looking for them based on past encounters they can be quite recognizable.


I don't write most of them off either.  It's just that unless I have studied something and put some thought into it, I don't have a lot to say about it.  At least that is what I try to do.

Since it is hard to find an intelligent argument against certain ideas, let me do that here.  One hypothesis which is gaining strength in my mind is that SARS-cov-2 is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill seasonal coronavirus which just happened to come along when various powers decided that the time was right pull a hoax.

The trouble with this is that there seem to be all kinds of 'old drugs' and other 'cures' which seem to be proving effective against it.  The 'common cold' has been around forever and there is much money, fame, etc from finding ways to deal with it.  Much research into it as well I'm sure.  Given that, it seems unlikely to me that SARS-cov-2 is totally 'natural'.  I don't think that the so called 'crushed glass lung' observations on CT scans would be a new thing in pulmonary science if there were not some new things going on.

and there he goes again.. admitting something is gaining strength in his mind. without oing the research upfront.
he also admits he feels if there is a entity that can gain financially out of a situation they must have created it...

well i gained alot of profit from bitcoin.. but i aint satoshi. and i hope you realise you need to retweak your mindset to realise that im not.. and not just stick with your weird way of thinking about stuff.
i hope you can see the flaw in your methodology.

and i hope real soon you realise this self isolation period does actually help reduce deaths by delaying everyone getting it at the same time. but first i think you need to truly accept that people do die from it to numbers significant enough to worry hospitals

yea its low percentages.. but in human number form 7billion people even 1% is a large amount of people to go in one period for one reason.

I read a book on the 1918 flu a couple years ago, so I know pretty much exactly what all these docs and everyone else are worried about.

In a practical sense it really doesn't matter one bit if the bug came from a lab or a market or whatever.

What did your book say about the vaccine research by the Rockefeller Foundation on military bases and re-using the same cattle and/or horses for the development of different microbes?

What did your book say about the declining number of test subjects logged while performing this aformentioned research?

What did your book say about digging up bodies out of the permafrost in the 1950's and not being able to find a virus at all, but finding one hell of a bacterial pneumonia?

My family of NPR-ish liberals 'knows' a lot about the 1918 flu, and they seem to 'know' pretty much the same things you do.  It's a resonable conjecture that you all were reading from the same stable of books.  Seems that there were more than several 'different' books on the subject and they were all marketed fairly effectively no to long ago.


It matters a lot to me because in the lab case we can expect it to happen again and again whenever it is "politically useful" (to quote the neocons from their PNAC document.)  And such things have a ton of uses politically.

It's probably reasonable to expect something this to happen every ten or twenty years. Of course, in some areas of Asia wearing face masks is not new.

Depends.  An especially nasty naturally occurring seasonal virus would just as they always have.  Of course if there are additional mutagens in the environment (GMO technology, 5G on bandwidths, etc) the rate of mutation would likely increase, but that would not necessarily imply that the most dangerous ones would be the ones which 'take' and go around the globe.

In the case of a lab created bug being released it is more likely that there would be a snowball effect.  These things have been being developed for decades so it is fair to guess that there are thousands cataloged by feature set and stored up by a bunch of different nations and NGO's.  Once one is finally used 'in anger', it seems very likely to me that there would be a conflagration.

whether nature or corporate origin..
truth is you dont know if it will happen every year or once a decade..

after all nuclear bombs are not a yearly thing.. it was done once.. and that was it.

what actually is important is finding the best way to cope with something that can put a strain on healthcare. and know how to get people immunised enough to not expect to get sick every month.. and at best not sick every year/ever again from the same thing

Anyone with half a brain knows the full range of possible sources. Of course you want to discuss the small subgroup of possibilities that is in line with your conspirators inclinations.



It's reasonable to look back, we had swine flu, bird flu. If one of those happened again, how would it be handled?

RE "every year or once a decade" I would guess that the future response would be everyone has a couple of n95 and thing go on as usual, but the future tends to hold surprises.

I see two possible sources:

 - natural

 - man-made

Got more?

'natural' is fairly well understood, excepting the corner-case environmental considerations with the 5G and what-not.

'man-made' is classified so much less is known about what might be in the various freezers scattered around the world.

Yes, but as frank1 has noted, there are simply no action items to result from any level of rooting around or guessing as to the cause of this outbreak. EG it doesn't help us cope with tomorrow or today. It does not help the hospitals.

the problem with looking back and comparing it to bird flu swine flu and sars and mers. and say well its a once every 5-10 year thing..
hospitals will then think cool. holiday next year, all fine and dandy because the past must repeat itself so we must get a break next year because history tells us so
i call that mind set not trend analysis.. but being a trend anal..

looking and studying events as they happen and really getting into it. to find out if immunity from this strain lasta a year. means if everyone got it in spring. dont expect it again in autumn but may expect it next spring
also if immunity is just for this particular strain alone. then if a new strain pops up in autumn. that would be a cycle and then in spring another cycle of the first strain.
however if its global immunity for all sars based and it lasts for 5 years. .. then be more relaxed about booking a holiday next year

the past and origins dont help much.. thats just finger pointing and finding someone bigger than a microbe to be able to punish

That's because the whole pandemic is a fake scare. Treat people like you would treat pneumonia. Get back to business like normal.

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its obvious that you are oblivious to reality. but one last time
imagine this. because your too afraid to actually realise it.. so just imagine
UK has 4000 ICU beds for people pneumonia

now imagine 65million people
now imagine 1%.... 650k
now imagine from that 650k 80% might be fine.. 14% mild and 6% severe
that 6% severe is 39k

thats 39k needing beds all in one go
thats like having 10 people turn up at hospital and saying to 9 f them to F**k off
..
again this number you might think is only 0.06%.. but thats 35000 people your telling to just get lost and die
i think if you found out a relative of yours was sick and told by a hospital to just get lost because government implemented the dipstick act of refusing to help .. you would be going mega nuts trying to find some massive conspiracy about the healthcare system

.. well welcome to the situation
have we got your attention yet

It's becoming more and more obvious that you and Spendy are trolls. But why? All you have to do is watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCnpPjUvdLM. I know it's a bit long (nearly 2 hours). But cut it into 10-minute chunks, and take notes. This way even you (maybe?) will be able to see that the pandemic panic is entirely unjustified.

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ok so just watched the first 10 minutes
lots of rants mainly about them complaining that this is an event not seen before

then saying how one guy predicted 500k UK deaths.. then reduced to 20k
due to self isolation models

again this is deaths.. meaning others with severe symptoms survive because they got hospital treatment
again corona is not fine one day dead 2 minutes later. its actually where for the severe it causes respiratory distress for days. needing hospital care for days

again even if it was like 40k severity.. under isolation models UK only has 4k ICU beds
and if all 40k got it at short time. 36k dead
but staggering it abit.. where they hop people in and out of ICU every 7 days for 2 months (8 stages)
they could possibly handle 32k patients over 2 months..
but guess what 40k severe vs 32k handle =8k not able to handle
its not been 2 months yet and numbers are climbing by ~700 a day .. because... there aint enough beds and staff and equipment

hospitals just cannot cope if everyone was freely mingling because the numbers would be much high
well over 90% have not even got it yet
do you get why the drop from 500k to 40k was done..

UK is not using stats of those asymptomatic at home. but hospital stats of people that need extra care.
do you get it yet.

if you think its bad now. wait until the other majority of the population get it
there actually is a point to self isolation

...
its really you that should watch the video in 10 minute segments. and then actually investigate and research stuff
actually understand it.. not just from the prospective of the guy on youtube. but by actually doing some math. checking some numbers. looking at source data. comparing it. and actually using some common sense

Except that most of the explanations you give are simply stories. Watch the rest of the video.

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do the research beyond the video
actually find something substantial beyond just the video


you seem too swept into just believing something that is liked on youtube that you dont even bother researching beyond
.. then like most of the time. when you do bother to realise something.. you then deny you ever referenced and believed the stuff you linked in the first place and pretend it was those opposing you that believe it
which is such childish tactics

The video is a good compilation of the proofs. Rather than simply list the proof points, and show a dozen videos that prove them, this video puts them together in one place to make it easier to follow.

Once you have the points of the video down in your mind, or on paper, you can go look for confirmation or for contradiction.

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it is not...
it grabs lots of little bits of info.. and then misrepresents it.
but because it grabbed a small piece of data here and a small piece of data there then stupid people will believe it

but if you actually listen to what they are saying about all the info. you soon realise that their getting it wrong with their conclusions

its like scammers.
a scammer can list 2 things which are general info available elsewhere. and then the thier thing is their target scammy lie they want to promote

EG
a. wash hands for 20 seconds
b. stay 2 metres apart
c. buy silver and ingest it because its the miracle cure

fools like you will think because a and b are widely found info points c must be true too
your not actually researching the proper guidance nor the science nor the technicals to realise it

so here is 2 conclusions made in just the first 10 minutes of that video where a and b are info points and c is bad/wrong conclusions because they didnt and you dont understand the info points

a. estimates for uk were 500k deaths
b. estimates for uk decreased to 20k deaths
c. they can handle it

this is where c is wrong because there are only 4k beds.

a. estimates for were 500k deaths
b. estimates for uk decreased to 20k deaths
c. isolation is not needed

this is where c is wrong because the only reason the 20k number was revised is because of isolation.. without isolation the numbers can be higher than 20k.. stopping isolation now wll ensure it becomes higher than 20k deaths.

here is just one very simple and basic question for you. just one.
do you think the UK hospitals have way more than 500k ICU beds and 500k ventilators to actually treat everyone?

if you really want to cling onto a bit of government/corporate corruption.. here is something that is actually factual for you to delve into and concentrate on

how the healthcare industry is over funded for the management/investors. but underfunded for the front line actual service that is actually suppose to be funded.

there is not enough staff, equipment and beds to actually look after enough people

.. no go research it and actually try helping yourself by following the right path.
yep it fits your mindset and your topic interest, so i see no reason for you to not want to go down that path.
plus it will teach you the reality of actual issues that are actually happening.. so a win for you and a win for everyone else to finally see you start making sense by knowing some real stuff

now go research it

Now that we see some really good contradicting CV evidence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCnpPjUvdLM - we're finding that the medical:
1. Doesn't really know what it is talking about;
2. Is scamming us all regarding Coronavirus;
3. Has always been a big lie.

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What you have found is not "proof" or "evidence" but a Youtube video.

You are talking about the idea that there is a Coronavirus pandemic, right? Do some research. Take your research to court ans see if it will stand up in a trial.

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I didn't have any estimates of death for any country. We saw the professionals estimate 500,000 for the UK. the next day they revised their estimates down to 20,000. Now those estimates are 5,700.

The either don't know what they are talking about, or they are scamming you. In your case the scam is working.

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Correct... just like all the stuff you see for the idea that Coronavirus even exists. You don't have proof. You don't even have evidence. Get it to court where it can be adjudicated regarding what is proof and what is evidence. And get it to many different courts, with many different professionals, so the it won't be easy to trick the public with only one court that is rigged.

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Electron microscope.

It should be quite easy to prove that electron microscopes exist. But we should do this before introducing electron microscope CV evidence into our trial.

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the medical industry and majority of public knew about microscopes before you were born. they also used them months before you drank your first glass of bleach hoping to immunise yourself from corona

the medical field studies corona-sars-2 (covid19) and they know whats real.. their thousands of true medical expert peers beats your common cult low IQ peers..
and even if people brought in truck loads of evidence into a court room.. you would still find some excuse to not bother learning anything.

it isnt hearsay if the doctors show actual ct scans and actual patients are saying how they got sick.(first hand accounts)

heck. if you think no one is getting sick.. then who are you going to sell your megadose supplement to
why are you drinking bleach if there is nothing to be afraid of
why are you even promoting things as a cure if you think there is nothing to cure

do you see how you flip flop and cant even keep your own story straight
funny part is all your video links are of people that obviously havnt been in an ICU ward or a viral analysis lab in the last 4 months.. yet strange how you believe them.. very strange

It's hearsay to someone who doesn't know how to read CAT scans.

The point isn't that people are or aren't getting sick. The point is what they are getting sick from. There is no proof that it is Coronavirus, to say nothing about Covid-19. It absolutely COULD be covid-19. But it could be all kinds of other things, as well.

So, show the proof that it isn't the common cold, or simple pneumonia, or SARS or something else. Get the doctors on the stand under oath, and let them show the evidence with the witnesses.

Just because a bunch of media believe a few doctors, isn't proof. Just because governments report stuff, isn't proof. If you think no doctors or politicians never lied, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

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your video is of a presenter in a faux tv studio he made to make himelf look like he a real news presenter.. but isnt

i shown links of actual doctors with actual patients and that actual doctor showing actual scans of his actual patients.
he actually went to medical school and had actual training..

can the guy you advertise say the same..
no
all you want to do is kiss his ass and hope he pasys you some money while you advertise his tour dates that come with a price

Well, get your guys to court, then, and prove it.

If nobody had shouted "Coronavirus pandemic," no proof would have been needed. But since they shouted it, let them prove they are right.

Look up the "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast October, 30, 1938. Orson Welles did that broadcast like it was really happening. People panicked around the nation. From https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/welles-scares-nation:
The difference with Coronavirus is that the lives and businesses are being destroy by the panic. But where is the proof that there is any pandemic?

Quit picking on people, and find the proof for the disease.

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the war of the worlds radio broadcast didnt have any real patients. didnt have relatives didnt have doctors who all witnessed it.
i even showed you a video of a doctor who was an ICU doctor and witnessed it.

you are the one that cant prove anything your the one with the stories.

Think about this. So far the CV testing is on fragments of RNA. These fragments could be part of any one of dozens of viruses besides Covid-19... and including the various standard forms of influenza. So, why do they say it is Covid-19, or even Coronavirus at all? After all, the tests aren't specific enough to prove that it was CV! It could be all kinds of other things.

Besides, this year isn't any worse than any other year in general deaths. 2017 was worse.

The whole CV pandemic is a bunch of BS.

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Oh, come on, franky1. WW2 sulfa drugs would probably be good enough to cure CV.

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you do realise that it takes 10 minutes of lack of oxygen to die
but medication can take longer to absorb and then have your body metabolise it and then use it as fuel for their purpose..

there is no magic pill that makes people fine in 10 minutes. so those being taken to hospital for respiratory distress will not get discharged 10minutes later due to 'badecker' branded miracle cure

no  way will that every be a thing.

actually go try learn some basics..

Maybe the reason why fuckin' near everything seems 'to work' for 'covid-19 disease' because is not a real thing and SARS-cov-2 bolognavirus is just one of thousands of coronaviruses that are pretty much always around and almost never causes any concern.

learn r0 and viral load. and realise there is a difference

realise if the planes still travelled at full capacity. realise if over 95% were not social distancing/isolating the numbers would be a magnitude higher

then realise that those self isolating are not immune/cured. they are part of the 95% YET to get it.
so run them numbers and multiply it by 20
and its only 4 months in. so add more to it. and realise the impact if things were 'normal daily activity'

then lastly direct your energy that iff hospitals were actually funded as they should be, prepared, and border controls were actually doing things for human safety and not financial profits. then things would be better
so there, i gave you your target anti-gov anger to be directed towards. lackof healthcare/border health and safety concerns.. all to save a penny and keep it in political pockets

r0 is quite high for all coronaviruses including the SARS-cov-2 bolognavirus.

Viral load is probably low in most of the 'covid-19' cases (defined by anyone who has the bolognavirus in their system in addition to whatever is actually making them sick.)  That is why you gotta do the maximum allowable cycles in a PCR run which is all the way up into area where things get very sketchy anyway.

so healthy doctors able to work 12hours a day no problem. suddenly get sick due to viral load and high r0 from the patient they are in proximity to

but wait you'll deny its an actual thing and pretend the doctor must have being a drug abuser or got stabbed..

Sickness and illness are actual, real things. So is overwork. Nobody has proof that Covid-19 is an actual, real danger, or that anybody is being made ill or sick by it.

Testing to determine this would include the testing the whole genome of all the viruses that a person has. Rather, the medical tests only a snippet of a virus. The snippet could be part of any number of viruses. But the decision is made to call it Covid-19. Why? It's an arbitrary decision.

The reason is to hid the fact that the coming economic crash has to do with the money system. Blame CV, even if it's a false blame. That way we protect our banking butts.

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Mwahahahahahaha! "Balognavirus!"  ;D ;D ;D

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scientists know enough things about real things to know what and how to test. i know you feel that if someone only tested 40% of your genome people will confuse you with a banana.. dont worry we still recognise you as an idiot by recognising multiple features and combining lots of information gathered to make a diagnoses..

if you think the only way to know the difference between a man and woman is to test their genome.. well, i guess you have not much experience of genders

The problem isn't about knowing testing and doing it properly. The problem is providing the information to the public in a way that gives truthful points regarding the testing. For example, "It isn't the same thing, to die 'with' coronavirus, as it is to die 'from' coronavirus.

And this is exactly the thing that is being done. Reports on deaths "with" are being mixed with reports "from."

The BIG additional problem is that CV testing that is being used, doesn't even show with certainty that CV is present.

This means that your whole point is useless. Until they get accurate testing into use, and then report on the differences between "with" and "from," all the pandemic talk is based on the unknown.

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i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself

what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A

the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B

what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons

if you charted it out

        _______ B
|___/
|     _________ A
|__/
|______________

this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive


again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)

you were told this days ago and had days to check it out

DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause

Thank you kindly, franky1. All you said is that doctors hype the reasons for death, and then make as sure as possible that the hype sticks.

The most important part of what you said, is that you said it days ago. This shows that you haven't come down to reality for days, at least. But it probably is more like years.

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doctors report actual symptoms and treatment and DHSC get that. which then public get

its the ONS that get data 5 days later to form the ICD-10 conspiracy you have fallen for.. not realising thats a whole separate statistical graph from an entirely different office

hint. the ICD-10 cospiracy data plots are higher with ONS..
but the public dont get this because it doesnt show data of exact cause.
the DHSC number is lower..

and its this more accurate number the public see as its actually death of symptom known to be triggered by corona.

so its you that thinks the numbers are overhyped.. but your not realising what your even talking about

And this is exactly why the various doctors report so many different conclusions. The way the medical community works to keep the conclusions organized into something that makes sense, they simply decide which material to report officially and which not to report.

Now we are finding that in these official reports, are a whole bunch of things that don't make sense, because (it seems) that the medical leaders have agendas other than simply seeing that the populace remains healthy.

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doctors have to report all symptoms on all medical records.. again your thinking of the ONS department who are not doctors and its the ONS that juggle the details..
its not the ONS that release their juggle to the public.
its your conspiracy guru that tried to finds a number juggle and pretend thats the official reporting route..
he lied to you

doctors have employment contractual obligations to report and treat patients and their data fairly. and there are punishments if hey dont.. the DHSC are the same

your finger wagging at doctors but realising the number juggling is nothing to do with doctors or the reports the public get.
i know you like a good conspiracy.. so you will find one about ONS.. but it aint the conspiracy your hoping it to be. but the one you find might keep you entertained for a while
you dont understand the reality of the ICD-10 thing your guru pokes out

Why should it matter to doctors if they report anything other than their diagnosis? If they are given freedom to report what they want, it's on the heads of their superiors. If nobody requires anything of any doctor, why should a doctor care?

It is the CDC that has told medical people to diagnose Covid-19 if there is any question at all. So, who cares? Notice that I didn't say WHO cares. But even WHO cares. They want a pandemic whether or not there is any reason for it, just like the CDC.

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^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

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wrong
ok even your latest youtube guru proves you wrong
remember that vid where he shows an example ICD-10 form

it goes

1. acute respiratory disease
2. {whatever pre existing condition)
3. covid19 positive

the person actually died due to the respiratory distress not the pre existing condition

if the ICD-10 was
1. blood loss
2.gunshot
3. covid19 positive

that would not be a covid death in the public tally of covid mortalities.
doctors always put the actual cause first

as for diagnosing if forinstance the pre existing condition was say asthma.. and the breathing difficulties were due to asthma but just happened to also be covid19 positive, it would be

1. unspecified asthma with acute exacerbation
2.covid19
again not  covid death

there are hundreds of codes
doctors dont just pick a code out of a hat
they diagnose first then treat

policy now is patients get xrayed and scanned and many other tests. they also look at the symptoms.. basically they are doctors doing doctor things

i know you want to believe that the only thing doctors do is test for covid and dont run anything else.. but your wrong

You keep on forgetting that standard CV tests show results that could be any one of possibly hundreds of diseases. And the few detailed tests that actually DO show CV, are being focused on to cover up the multitudes that don't.

The pandemic is a lie. It's being used to cover up the fact that the banking fiat system is failing, and will crash shortly. People will blame CV, because that's all they see. Bankers and government people know this. That's why they are creating the fake CV panic.

It wouldn't be so bad, but now that people are being herded into specific locations, it's easier to see that they get infected, so that the fake panic is starting to get some teeth in it a little.

You have the whole thing backwards.

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and you keep on forgetting ... well everything. no matter what topic it is. you forget even talking about things a couple posts after making them.

as for CV tests and what goes on in the ICU and what reporting happens.. you dont even know in the first place to even have a chance to forget.
meanwhile ACTUALY DOCTORS on ACTUAL ICU wards know better
but we all know that you will deny anything they say
instead you prefer to believe youtube influencers that make a faux news studio look. to pretend they are official

..
ill stick to research and learning from those that actually know. actually trained, actually experienced.
maybe you should try that oneday

you forget the topic title ... PROOF.

A bunch of blabbing media with a few lying, duplicitous doctors don't amount to proof. The strongest evidence is in the empty hospitals. Second is the people who work in big stores like Walmart or Target, and aren't getting any sicker than any other year.

Anybody can check this out, and many have.

Coronavirus is all a lie. Or prove that it isn't by courtroom adjudications from a hundred different courts in the USA.

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So the Wonder Cures you have came out with to Easy Cure people with/from Coronovirus are for a disease that's a Lie?

People will get cured from all kinds of things. If they think they have CV, they will think they have been cured from CV.

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says the only guy that has been linking such dubious material

your chiropractor doctor who talked on a freeman cult website is not proof. so why did you link it??

real ICU doctors, hospital websites,explain how they work and handling things.

the public waiting rooms of hospitals are empty for a reasl. its called self isolation and social distancing.
only those with severe/critical symptoms are being admitted, and if their symptoms are of a gun shot they go to one ward. if the symtooms are of the known corona symptoms they go to another ward.

doctors do actually run multiple tests and form a diagnoses. they dont just put a random piece of paper out of a hat

also doctors know that many maedications and treatments come with side effects.
antivirals might kill that virus OVER TIME (if the patient can breath long enough for the meds to kick in. but some antivirals kill it and not let the bodies own antibodies deal with it.
this is why most hospitals are trying a 'just keep them breathing/oxygenated' and then let the body fight the virus off itself

antivirals may not offer lasting immunity, antivirals can damage other organs
megadosing them can cause more issues
same with megadosing vitamin C ..enjoy them kidney stones
even intubating a patient and using meds to sedate them can come with long term issues..

so these things are not just handed out as easily as a supplement but used only when rtruly needed and when the benefits outweigh the risks,,

need you forget the guy that lives in your very own state that died from megadosing on the very chemicals you advertise on here.

has it hit close to home yet.

the best thing to do is self isolate. delay getting it until the hospitals can prepare, train, find better effective treatment, and stock up on staff, beds and supplies to handle it when the masses start getting it.

its like computers and any software.. avoid downloading a new operating system or patch until you have learned what it can do and what problems might come up.. then when you think your can risk it. then risk it after a few patches have been released


i fond it foolish how you pretend to be anti-big-pharma, but you are trying to push chemicals you dont understand in dosages you dont understand for things you dont understand promising things you dont understand..

i know you dont care about how many people can be harmed directly or indirectly by following your stupid stuff..
i know you will just finger point blame somewhere else
but this just shows you lack morals, lack responsibility and intelligence

but can you atleast just research and learn a little bit about how life works

So the thing that's a LIE is YOU.






It's a LOT MORE than just one death from the shit that Badecker is promoting.

Quite a few, unfortunately.

i know. but i thought if i could atleast show that its actually a real thing happening to people in his own community.. he cant exactly just brush it off as some racial excuse of whatever lame excuse he always uses to think its not a problem where he lives.

but im pretty sure he will find some excuse to dismiss it and blame something/someone else

You and Spendy get along like two peas in a pod. You both focus on points that don't really cover what is going on. The thing Speny has over you is, he knows how to use sentences properly. The thing you have over Spendy seems to be that you are able to bring a whole bunch more of off-subject, useless points to mix things all up.

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So what's the next cure that's not a cure, but which could be a death sentence for the fool that takes it?

We use 2020 hindsight... those of us who open our eyes, that is. As we have seen, it certainly isn't chemo, surgery, or radiation.

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according to badecker. a chiropractor is more of an expert witness of immuno related medications
according to badecker. a chiropractor who has his own private back massage clinic has more ICU experience

...
ill stick to actually researching what ACTUAL ICU doctors say. not retired life coaches

If honest doctors stopped dazzling themselves with the fun of research in the wrong direction, they might even see that the true doctors are the chiropractors and the nutritional therapists. All the medical is, is a big sales operation that is trying to get more people in, to make more money off them.

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someone gets shot and will bleed out in minutes
badecker tells them to go to a chiropractor and learn how to do yoga
(facepalm)

someone gets shot. will bleed out in minutes
badecker tells them to go a herbal dietician, to get a shopping list and a food prep guide. sending them home to run around a kitchen for an hour
(facepalm)

...

It's definitely an anti-scientific world view.

The chiropractor is on the scene faster than the paramedics, and saves them both with advanced paramedic-like practices that are way better than what the paramedics have..

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chiropractors dont do emergency house calls...
i think your actually remembering that one time a pizza delivery guy came to your house to give you a back rub, telling you how strong and fit you are..
thats not medical advice. thats just an odd kinky fetish
and when he asked you for a client fee.. thats not patient treatment costs. thats male prostitute cost

BIG DIFFERENCE

And you know this stuff how?     8)

you yourself said how you know that someone that rubs your back and gets paid for it comes to you very quickly.
the rest of the world knows what real chiropractors do or dont do..

however a caveat
it may not have been a pizza guy, but a male stripper you swiped right on grinder. and you requested you would pay him to dress like a doctor.

either way. while you go al silly about the not important stuff.. the reality is that real medically licenced doctors who have had years of training and lots of experience with real patients. do things differently than you fantasise

It's the years of training that blind the doctors to the simple, realistic problems. A hundred and fifty years ago, somebody would visit the doctor, and he would say, "Acid indigestion."

Now they can't even tell if there is a problem with all their training, until they do extensive tests. but if they think there is a problem, it could me anything from cancer to muscle strain to diabetes, etc., etc.

Most chiropractors know right away what is wrong.

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150 years ago. you would go to the barbers for a haircut and a shave and come out with teeth missing.
150 years ago those doctors would say its anything to get money out of you. after all how can you complain when they kill you

these days doctors have more training more safeguards and more peer reviews.. you know peer review.. that thing where you keep demanding they stand and under penalty get reviewed by their peers.. yep that happens. its called an M&M meeting
but you wont know any of this.. because you dont research

Peer reviews... the place where all the snake oil salesmen get together and tell each other that they are doing a good job, so that you and I think that they have done something good.

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Some people believe that anti-scientific world view. But I think there is probably a reason the US Military has "Medics" not "Chiropractors."

In the military, the term "medic" covers the first aid guy out in the field who often doesn't use modern hospital equipment and processes. A military medic is/can-be way different than a doctor.

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in post 1910 era. medics actually have medical training to actually do more then you think
they get trained in how to do surgeries and other things while in the midst of a warzone.

if you think that military medics only know how to tick a band-aid on a wounded soldier. then you really are lacking the basic concept of common sense, research, understanding of how things work

you do not earn the rank of medic by just holding a box of band-aids
but now your showing your 110 years out of date in regards to military history

If you think you are accurately describing "medic," you are falling way short of your own expectations.

If you are trying to describe what I think, you are simply trolling.

Here is what I mean. Anybody can take a handful of words that somebody else says, and stretch their meaning into all kinds of things that the other person didn't mean. You do this all the time.

The result is that you are wrecking your own credibility. That's okay, if it's an honest accident. But with you it happens so extremely much, that you are simply trying to cloud some important info that you don't like for one reason or another.

But, it does have one redeeming factor. It gets you higher activity in the forum.

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badecker thinks a soldier just needs to put a red cross on a shoulder sleave to earn the medic rank

no wonder he has no clue what real people with medical training do and have been trained for.. he has no experience

Well, one could have an anti-scientific world view, and still know what medics do.

I kind of do not think I'd want a chiropractor sawing my leg off or even splinting it.

But there are circumstances in which you probably would... like no doctor around, and greater disaster without the work of the chiropractor.

But, we are looking for proof of CV in all the Coronavirus blab. Got any?

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your the guy where if there was a courtroom of doctors
10 ICU doctors that have witnessed patients with covid19 symptoms
5 lab experts that have fully analysed the virus in samples from the 10 doctors patients
1 chiropractor who has been handcuffed to your bed since november

you would ignore dismiss or avoid acknowledging the 10 doctors and 5 lab experts. and instead only want to hear the chiropractors opinion. even if he has not seen any evidence or patients.
you would then claim because your preffered person has no experience, that there is no evidence and no patients because your chiropractor has never had any himself

and that how stupid i know you would treat a scenario like this

Again, none of your blabber is proof. A little of your blabber shows us what proof would have to look like, slightly. But let's get serious, and find some real proof.

Proof would include why your 5 lab experts think they have literally analyzed the virus - with the reports and witnesses to the testing - as opposed to those other lab experts who would show why that analysis wasn't proper analysis.

So far we only have lab people saying this and that, including other lab people who are too scared of the medical to really say what's on their mind.

So, since this is a forum, blab all you want. But until you show some proof, sickness isn't a hoax, but Coronavirus is a hoax.

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I have zero proof of CV in Coronovirus for a self avowed anti-scientific person who asks for proof.

By your medieval attitude you've already rejected them.

i know you seem to be jumping bath to december/january mythology but, here we go again
there is actual medical evidence of analysis of a novel(new) strain of sars which they called sars-ncov-2 in january
and later shortened the name to covid-19

they know and can recognise 7 main strains of corona from past and present that impact human health.
they can actually tell the difference between the 2002 Sars strain, the MERS strain and the covid strain

although in december january these identifications involved sending specimens to a certain lab and it taking 24hours+ to get results

now they know what methods are needed to test for this specific covid-19 strain. they have ramped up manufacturing of test machines and chemicals needed for the tests. and it has become both more common place and faster to test and get results

most hospitals for instance in the UK have their own equipment now. and there are 8 regional labs that can take the overflow.
these tests are not simple litmus test/pregnancy test things. these are proper lab tests.
the reason the UK can do 10k a day because they actually bothered to do this. they are ramping up further to get to a 100k a day testing ability by the end of april. again this is proper testing of specifically the indentifiers of only covid

if you actually bothered to do some research. and actually had the desire to find the truth and proof. there is lots to find
here is just one example that took me about 3 seconds to link
https://www.sciencenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/020720_ac-jl-ts_coronavirus_feat-1028x579.jpg

i am staring to think your style of learning is not to actually try reaching out and feeding yourelf with knowledge. but instead make silly noises and hope someone spoonfeeds you knowledge. and then out of stupidity just spit at those that feed you. and only want to get fed by certain people even if what they feed you is bad for you..
does that sound like your childhood? because it very much explains your approach to things noted on this forum

Does that require RNA sequence checking, quantitative analysis of RNA components fractions, or otherwise, how in the work would such closely things be told apart? (Yes I could look it up, just trying to raise the level of the discussion a bit here)

im just going by what i have researched in the UK(where i live) as its then more relevant to me
they do know how to do it based on the actual RNA and it is specific to covid19

just to add, hospitals also run other tests asa double check to rule out any false negatives/false positives.
seems badecker thinks its a one test one magic pill situation that hospitals do.. it aint.

...
they are trying to work on a good reliable test kit(like a pregnancy test but not).. but so far the false positive rate is 10%ish so not that good. but still maybe useful as a cheap 10minute indicator while waiting for proper lab results

I take my car in to the shop to get a part replaced that I know is bad. The shop gives me a quote. Later they call me back saying they misquoted by accident... wrong year. It's gonna cost me twice as much.

I ask them if they can't get an after market item. They tell me there aren't any, and they have found the best price.

I get online, and find the part all over the place, cheaper than they quoted me in the beginning.



You got proof?

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you? making a call to ask for something?
doesnt sound like you.
you are more of the person that looks at google images of car parts and then imagines your car is suddenly fixed.
meanwhile when you get in the car and its still bad. you have to truly have that moment of clarity that all of your imaginary thoughts are not what normal people in reality do.
you have to have that moment when you realise you have wasted your own time and not fixed your problem
you have to have that moment of clarity to then actually do something real and with purpose.

but knowing you. you will decline from doing anything as usual and say you yourself it just needs more careful thought fantasy

Wow! At first glance, that seems so remarkable. But after a little thought, it becomes apparent that it is pathetic. What do I mean?

What is the absolutely clearest proof that is shown by the Coronavirus pandemic? I mean, this thread is about proof, right? And there might be several proofs that are apparent. But what is the biggest proof?


This proof is obvious, because if they knew what they were doing, there wouldn't be a pandemic in the first place. There might be a blip of a pandemic, but there wouldn't be any serious pandemic.

Then we have a joker like franky1 (who seems to be tied to the medical in the UK) applying the incompetence of the medical to an imaginary way that he thinks I handle my car. And he does it knowing fool well how much of a failure the medical is.

This brings us to the second proof that the CV pandemic is showing us. What is this second proof?


How do we know this? Because they deride those who have success curing the CV symptoms. And mostly they do this when they themselves haven't taken part in the symptom relief.

Time to go to the third proof. The third proof has to do with all the successes that some people (including some doctors) have had with different therapies and protocols. But standard medical jokers (like the one mentioned above) want to hide the successes, because they themselves haven't had any, and they are jealous.


The medical is like the universities that train their people in all kinds of stuff that isn't associated with the object-study-directions the students want to go in.

The cures for Coronavirus are like the trade schools that get the job done rather than palying around with trying to know everything about everything.

Time to recognize and realize that it was medical research that created the Coronavirus in the first place, and now it is the medical that is playing with out lives by manipulating us around their Coronavirus. Isn't it time we get out from under the manipulating thumb of the medical, so that we can live healthy lives?

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I can think of a couple ways that could be accomplished but typically it would be a several year long project.

scanning DNA/RNA doesnt take several years per sample

they just need to look for certain indicators to narrow it down.
its like finding the difference between a orange and a human which is super easy and fast. so is finding the difference between an orange and a tangerine

Not the scanning. But the chemical differentiation would require distinguishing a specific marker somehow.

I will have to look up the details. Worked in a related area in college. But not at all up to date.

if this was the first time of ever using a tech to distinguish things then yea it would take years of research. but once you done it a few times over many decades such as the first discovery of corona family of viruses in the 1960's and identifying other strains over the decades..it becomes easier and easier

at the moment detecting which strain of corona someone has is fast.
the part about scaling up the antibody test(different test/different thing to detect) for people to see if they are immune after recovery. that takes time. and recently using UK as an example one 'super lab' has failed to meet certain quality control standards (10% false positive)

so for now they are just giving patients a few of the detect the virus tests every couple days after symptoms stop and released from hospital when they show no trace of the virus.
but as i said working out if immune after is still cagey. and unknown how long that immunity lasts. because those tests are slower to produce accurately

Well, it is the 21st century.

the nasal swap/lower tract swab to test which virus is tech thats been developed since 1960's

the blood sample antibody test is stil hit and miss because people only started getting it in december, recovering in february. so they need many blood samples of post-february to then use as comparison to identify antibodies specific to immunisation of covid19

as for the initial identify the virus test. they have years of samples of previous viruses so its easy to compare a new strain

 The PCR test developed by the University of Washington School of Medicine (UW Medicine) targets just 100 nucleotides that are specific to SARS-CoV-2, Dr. Alex Greninger, an assistant professor in the Department of Laboratory Medicine and an assistant director of the Clinical Virology Laboratory at UW Medicine, told The Seattle Times.

These 100 nucleotides include two genes in the SARS-CoV-2 genome. A sample is considered positive if the test finds both genes, inconclusive if just one gene is found, and negative if neither gene is detected.

...
PCR tests work by detecting specific genetic material within the virus. Depending on the type of PCR on hand, health care workers might swab the back of the throat; take a saliva sample; collect a liquid sample from the lower respiratory tract; or secure a stool sample.

....Once a sample arrives at the lab, researchers extract its nucleic acid, which holds the virus' genome. Then, researchers can amplify certain regions of the genome by using a technique known as reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction. This, in effect, gives researchers a large sample that they can then compare to the new coronavirus, known as SARS-CoV-2.....

Tests from UW Medicine that are either inconclusive or positive are sent to Washington's Public Health Laboratories and the CDC for further testing, The Seattle Times reported.

In contrast, serological tests look for specific antibodies that the body has produced to fight the virus. "If they detect those antibodies, [the test] gives a positive result,"

'https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-tests-work.html

Take it for what it's worth since I'm not going to bother to look up a link, but I've heard that the inventor of PCR said that it should never be used to evaluate the metrics of a communicable disease.  It's just not the right tool for the job.

Secondly, that there are a number of cycles above which the white noise simply dampens out any meaningful results.  It's not a binary thing either.  As you approach the number things get progressively valueless.  'They' need to get way up to the maximum number of cycles to get a result (and it's well know that the result is often ambiguous and/or irreproducibile.)

Thirdly, the only consistant thing about the covid-19 saga is how the 'authorities' (led by the very highly suspect WHO) fuck up the segment selection and the 'primers' needed to trigger the chain reaction.  The U.S.'s performance was even worse.

All of these things and many more are making me lean toward the hypothesis that the SARS-cov-2 is mostly just something which a lot of people have in tiny quantities so it made a good virus upon which to pull the long planned and gamed out 'balognavirus scamdemic' against.


We're sitting here well into Q2 and expecting a piss-ant antibody test 'any day now'?  And these people are going to develop and test a whole vaccine in 18 months or less?  Give me a fuckin break.  There is definitely 'something rotten in Denmark' so-to-speak.

On the brighter side, I'm sure that the 'covid-19' vaccine will 'work'.  It will 'work' in the same way Cloroquine, Licorice, bleach, vitamin-c, Schwepps tonic water, etc, etc, etc 'work'.  As they say, the easiest problem to fight and win against is one which doesn't exist.  That is pretty much the hallmark of most vaccines though.

i wonder why tvbcof is so frustrated...
he thinks there is no virus. so he should just go out and lick door handles as usual. after all to him there is no harm, no problem. so whats stopping him..
there is no marshal law. so carry on with your day

or are you frustrated that you know there is a risk, you re self isolating and you are just not liking the situation..
heck no one likes it.
im usually travelling around the world but im stuck in the UK for many months. i have planned atleast 3 months of this. we are only on WEEK 3 so more months to come before planning out what to do in the next phase..

no one likes it. but thats the real risk situation we are in

again if you feel there is no risk. then go out your door and go walk around get some fresh air and chill out.
if your trying to blame WHO. dont use youtube or blog sites as your source of conspiracy theory . actually look at the real details

china had first hospitalisation on 18december.. and informed the word by january 9th..
with all the tests needed for this new (zebra) case and spotting new patients arriving with the same things. and then getting those bodily fluid samples tested to be the first identifier that its not the normal flu. id say overall there was no keeping it a secret.
there was just standard dont raise an alarm untill they know its alarm worthy.
and they did

it was UK/US that didnt follow through after 9th of january by monitoring al flight passengers and following up who they came into contact with.
they didnt stop the repatriation flights. they didnt even start stocking up on supplies/hospital expansion..
it took until 2nd week of march to act.

the whole reason for lockdown is not government control. again this is not marshal law territory.
the lockdown will be relaxed but only when its safe to do so.
there is no point relaxing it now with 33k new cases a day. because at the r0 that will get to 4m within a month, meaning 200k severe needing beds. so releasing the lockdown now will only last 2-3 weeks before re-isolating people.. which can cause even more trouble of trying to hire staff get stock and sell stock and then close business again.
its better to wait it out until numbers get way under 100 a day new cases. that would then give a more acceptable 2 month relaxation.

so just realise that its not going to be another couple day then drama over everyone back at work.. this is going to be cycling in waves for months/year
the isolation is not immunising people. its delaying the onslaught of mass spread which hospitals cant and wont cope with .. so expect phases of this to go on multiple times
especially if they cant get the new case numbers down low enough to be able to contract trace all new cases to find everyone they touched/been near..

I wonder why how you can know what other people think? You can't even interpret what they say correctly. Who do you think you are, Sigmund Freud, or Carl Jung?

You can't even write in proper sentences with proper punctuation. Yet you try to psychoanalyze other people who have a reason, while you don't even have an excuse.

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Look at it this way. If there are some peer reviewed papers that CV is real, and that it is doing all the damage that it has been doing, it should be easy to get some of the reviewers on the stand to show these. It should be a lot easier to show the reviews with their writers long before we get to court, right?

I don't know if there are any such peer reviewed papers or not. But it should be easy for somebody in the medical - especially franky1 - to be able to post a few of them online... or at least link to them... to see if they meet standard requirements for peer reviewed papers.

You know F-1. Just a few of them, where you use your expertise to break them down and show us why and how they meet the standards of a peer reviewed paper.

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" SIMPLY HEARSAY " ----> Guess what there is inside!
https://i.ibb.co/p3hWPQd/download.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

" prove that immune systems of the sick were not compromised by vaccine immunizations in the first place."
https://i.ibb.co/8djYwb2/Schermata-2020-04-12-alle-12-45-07.png (https://imgbb.com/)
Are you kidding or what else?
People die because their immune systems has been compromised by vaccine immunization (!) and not for COVID19 infection?

Even the Excel Spreadsheet can make better graphs than that.

What's in those trucks? I know what it is. It's HEARSAY! Or do you have court proof?

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Nice argumentation, "graphs that looks ugly" :) very scientific answer.

It's hearsay even what is inside trucks?
Probably you are seriously not realizing what's is going on. And I hope for you that you'll never realize.
KR

The thing that you seem to be missing is the part about HEARSAY. We could have all kinds of people tell us, right in this thread, what they truly believe is in those trucks. Some might say:
1. Trucks are empty;
2. Guns for ISIS;
3. Helicopter parts;
4. Bathtubs;
5. (All kinds of other things).

Maybe you went to those trucks and personally examined what is in there. But I am willing to bet you don't even have affidavits of those people who went and examined. And probably you haven't even talked to somebody who went and examined. But if you did, how do you know he was telling the truth?... even if he signed an affidavit to the effect?

If he signed an affidavit, he might know that he will be out of town long before anybody will take him to court on it.

And if you were there personally, where's your signed affidavit? Don't tell me you believe the media doesn't lie and embellish. If you believe the media doesn't lie, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, cheap.

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This is only the start. Huckabee might do it right for the position that he is in regarding government. But he will do it wrong for the way that he can make it accessible to all Americans.

But it is a start. Let's hope it will show that the Constitution is stronger than arbitrary orders by a bunch of jokers who have no proof for their CV actions.

Check the article for links and emphases.


Mike Huckabee Sues Florida Sheriff For Threatening 'Social Distancing' Arrest On Private Beach (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/280760-2020-04-12-mike-huckabee-sues-florida-sheriff-for-threatening-social-distancing-arrest.htm)




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badecker showed a chart of less deaths occuring when more healthcare improved and more vaccines given
if vaccines were the cause the graph would look like
                            _       _
                       __/           \  /|
_                    /                 \||
  \  /|           _/         not        \_
   \||______/                            \_
                                                  \________

You seem to think that I am minimizing the dangers of viruses, and the benefits of vaccines. I'm not. I'm here to see the courtroom proof that viruses even exist, and that vaccines do any benefit at all.

Anybody with a good eye for statistics of a pandemic in progress, just might see that the pandemic is ending naturally, and then advertise a whole lot of hope in vaccines. The vaccinations are implemented, and the pandemic goes away.

But the pandemic was in its final stages, anyway. It's just that people didn't know it. And the timing was so good that it looked like the vaccinations were what did it. But the vaccinations really caused deaths that would have not happened had the vaccines not been used.

I want good courtroom, jury-based adjudication that Coronavirus even exists... not a handful of doctors scaring other doctors into thinking that it is real when it is not. Get the experts on the stand, under oath, with the penalty of 20 years to execution for lying. Why execution? Because this is important.

Or do you have proof?

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reverse transcription

And I used to think that this Speny-joker had something worthwhile to say. We all make our mistakes.

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Why would anybody think that China is the only liar... or the best one, for that matter? We want proof.

Shi Zhengli is allegedly the Chinese woman who developed Covid-19, at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC.


How China muzzled its Bat Woman: Beijing authorities hushed up the findings of a scientist who unlocked the genetic make-up of the coronavirus within days of the outbreak - which is vital for tests and vaccines (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/280776-2020-04-12-how-china-muzzled-its-bat-woman-beijing-authorities-hushed-up.htm)




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Let's get this over into the section where it belongs. Proof. Walmart is out of their Quinine Water. Not from the blabbing of one doctor. But if you think that it was only one doctor that caused this run on quinine, then you might as well say that it is only one doctor who caused the whole CV pandemic.

Let's get the proof to court in front of a jury.

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even better idea
badecker. take yourself to court and ask for psychological evaluation of your competence to be even able to stand in court..
i can guess the results already, so i know there is no point you even going to court because they wont let you stand

meanwhile you have said 'history, thousands of years, ancestors' .. yet life expectancy was 35yo..

so how could you, using your own chart you linked. show that people lived longer and healthier before the 1930's

Here it is... starting to come out, that many of the Covid-19 deaths were not from CV at all. He's a doctor as well as a senator.


HUGE! MN Senator and Dr. Reveals HHS Document Coached Him on How to Overcount COVID-19 Cases... (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/280585-2020-04-09-huge-mn-senator-and-dr-reveals-hhs-document-coached-him.htm)




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No

the actual document was highlighted in the interview and it said about list actual cause of death ...
what your not realising is that its not the doctors that put covid at the top of the list. its usually oxygen deprived/pneumonia caused by covid

EG someone shot and dies of bloodloss but happened to be a assymptomaic Covid positive person.. would not be claimed as died due to covid

but there is a separate government department that uses these stats for other reasons

i already explained this to you before using the UK departments as an example. but the us follow the same policy
are you really suffering from amnesia... or are you just an idiot with no braincells to learn or remember things. just to troll your cultish beliefs without remembering your getting debunked every time

The whole OUT OF SHADOWS official documentary shows how the media and Hollywood blow something all out of proportion with regard to what is real. Coronavirus is only one example. As it turns out, CV isn't much more of a problem than any flu in any year. The media is part of the reason we have this unnecessary lockdown thing.


OUT OF SHADOWS OFFICIAL (Publisher Recommended) (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/280723-2020-04-11-out-of-shadows-official-publisher-recommended.htm)




OUT OF SHADOWS OFFICIAL
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MY8Nfzcn1qQ/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCNACELwBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLBFQZc3-TILBDN-9WZVmAqqjkL-pQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8Nfzcn1qQ)


Consider Live Watching - OUT OF SHADOWS Official - "Best Documentary Of The Year - Q" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAECOfIdr1w.


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Goddamn Coronavirus, it revealed so many no-brainers but the funny part is when you see these low IQ person changing their minds when the virus screw them, their relatives or their community. I don't know why they changed their mind really, isn't it a HOAX after all? Too bad. Now it is antivax time to troll? I blame vaccine for real for letting those people pass the herd immunity "test" for so long time.

By the way It is harassing to press "Show/Hide" every time you want to laugh about trolls trolling (hopefully) in bitcointalk, because if it turns that they are meaning their bullshit then :o

I think i missed something funny here. If any member can refer me to his cult's topic(s), if it exists, it would be great, i am really pissed and bored today. I hope it isn't the topic about flat mars, moon, sun, earth, mountain or whatever things, because I don't visit it. 2 low IQ 2 read!

My ancestor's natural immune systems for the last 200,000 years or so got me here.  No vaccines necessary.

I blame the vaccines for every other kid being an some Big Pharma product, having a shorter attention span than a goldfish, and barely enough working brain cells to ties their shoes.

I also blame the failing whooping cough vaccine for filling the streets with asymptomatic carriers hacking up wild-strain infected sputum on everyone.  Thank God I, and most non-vaxxed people, still have a well functioning immune system which works in spite of you super-spreaders which the vaccine scam has put among us by fucking up natural herd immunity.

So you think that the world before many centuries is like the world today? No sorry dude it isn't.
Before few centuries the number of people living in earth isn't that much and they are separated in tribes with few hundreds, the pollution isn't the same, plastic toxic and disruptor effects didn't exists, people with type 1 diabetes died because there wasn't insulin, thousands or millions of chinese died thanks to Europeans rodents (species), same goes for native Americans when Spanish dudes embrace them with their imported diseases.
At that time you don't hear about cancer, hiv and many other diseases. The only cure of infectious disease is to get away from the infected community, and if you are trapped with non infected disease you are dead.
Now your statement could be accepted until the 19th century, 20th maybe? After that hundred of millions of people survived thanks to vaccine including you, directly when one of your grandparents received it or indirectly when many people around you received it and avoided the mass spread of it.
Wonder know if a deadly virus with 100% mortality is here and its vaccine is available, you will be the first in the line to take it or you will shoot all people in front of you to take it first since they don't deserve it?

your ancestors had multiple kids because not all of them would survive
those that survived were immune to many old bacteria's and virals but that does not mean immunity to new strains

secondly. 100% of human population came from 200,000 years of ancestors.. just like you
no human was lab born without parents. no human came from spaceships of planets that only existed for 100 years

so if you want to base your immortal powers on ancestors.. then i can see why you stupidly think everyone is immortal..
however REALITY shows people do die are dying due to symptoms known to be specific to what is triggered by the virus.

so its not an ancesteral protection because everyone has ancestors
in short. your nothing special. your just like everyone else

one last thing
there are many developing tribe/communities/countries that are not big on vaccines.. and guess what.
they are getting sick too.. even when they too can trace 200,000 years of no vaccinations within thier tribe/community

People were only made by God around 7,500 years ago.

If there was a time before God personally stepped in - a time between the beginning and the first day - whatever beings might have existed then, have nothing to do with mankind and his children.

Now, be patient with me. I probably shouldn't have even given you this hint into what happened. Because you will take it and play all kinds of games with this knowledge. But the fact that you respond to posts in this forum, shows that you deserve the respect of being a bit of a human being, yourself.

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again proving your book is fiction.
they found remains and done actual studies which were actually peer reviewed and studied by more than just a cult members youtube faux news.

many countries found remains far far older than 7000 years.. closer to 300,000 years

If you check into the methods they use for dating beyond about 5,000 years or so, the methods are interpretative. Nobody knows for sure how old anything is that can't be dated by "pottery" shard dating methods. It's al a guess beyond 5,000 years old.

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opening the debate on covid19 associated with prevotella

TY  - BOOK
AU  - Chakraborty, Sandeep
PY  - 2020/02/03
SP  -
T1  - The 2019 Wuhan outbreak is caused by the bacteria Prevotella, which is aided by the coronavirus, possibly to adhere to epithelial cells - Prevotella is present in huge amounts in patients from both China and Hong Kong
DO  - 10.31219/osf.io/usztn
ER  -

what do you think ?

^^^ Could it be the other way around?     8)

i think you are going potty (UK slang: insane) if you think aging historic discoveries is done purely by pottery
it seems your such a religious flock cultist. that you have no clue what science is.

im now surprised you even accept using a computer/bitcoin. due to the amount of science that was required to invent them

badecker task for the day: research radio carbon dating

As usual, you entirely miss the point. The point is that the only conclusive age dating falls into the pottery class. This class includes ancient buildings and other structures, including language examination.

Things like carbon dating have one major flaw that totally destroys their validity. This flaw is the fact that nobody knows that C-14 didn't only start accumulating on Earth 5,000 years ago, and we don't know that C-14 wasn't dumped here in such a way that only makes it look like a steady stream of it in the past.

The C-14 assumption is built on the idea that the earth is billions of years old, and that C-14 has been around for millions of years. Nobody knows this. It's circular logic.

When carbon dating is used to show the age of the universe, which age then makes carbon dating authentic, it's circular logic, which shows that it is really an unknown, and absolutely unreliable.

Can you even understand this?

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carbon dating is not about counting the number of dust particles and whereby you stupidly assume that at some point more was dumped to make the numbers unmeasurable accurately.

actual science knows of the half life and it is predictable. its science and math. not speculation

again you have failed the basic understanding.

as for your other things you mention in this topic.
show me proof of the californian study that shows 50x-80x exposure

not bigtree or your cult websites mis0-information.. show me the actual study results
i say this to you because i have already seen the results and its 50-3300 =1.5%
numbers far far far far lower than your influencers have brainwashed you with.

but now its your turn to actually look up the study and find the proof for yourself
and then realise how much bigtree and your other cultish fauxnews sites have mis-informed you

i truly dare you to show me THE ACTUAL REPORT why by it says 50x-80x. show me the proof

ill give you a small hint
the study suggests that for everyone that DIES 50-80 survive. (1.25%-2% death rate)
the summary is not for everyone tested there are 50-80x untested but immune

We need to be accurate on our knowledge of isotope half lives. In many cases, such knowledge has been verified reliably.

1. If you power a spacecraft with a polonium fuel energy source, when will it be too weak to power the vehicle?

2. How long will a smoke alarm which uses americium be reliable?

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph241/eason1/

3.  Are radium watch dials made before 1950 dangerous today? If some were kept in a small room, at what rate would the room become dangerously contaminated?

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/new-report-shows-radium-dials-might-pose-serious-danger

4. As a nuclear bomb ages, is there a point where it won't explode?

I could go on and on...

But arguing that radioactive decay of an isotope is not a precise and measurable process is absurd. The truth is exactly the opposite, these are the most precise and measurable processes.

The point is, if there wasn't any C-14 anywhere on Earth prior to 5,000 years ago, and then some phenomenon occurred that dumped and scattered C-14 in just the right amounts into the atmosphere and elsewhere throughout Earth, the results would produce the exact same readings that we see today in carbon dating readings.

Since we don't know that this phenomenon didn't happen, we don't know if our carbon dating is accurate.

Play the game of guessing the age of the earth through carbon dating if you want, but tell the truth... that you don't know even a guesstimation of the real age of the earth.

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Can you tell me specifically which atoms are going to undergo decay before their half-life and which ones after?  Didn't think so.  Therefor you are engaged in a conspiracy theory and as such radioactive decay is not acceptable as a phenomenon to study.  Your standards, not mine.

play all the ignorant guessing all you like.. but science and maths will win
by the way.
even drill-core samples way below the crust thus no affected by any atmospheric amounts debunk your guess

have a nice day though

It's because I don't care for guessing that I have shown that standard dating beyond about 5,000 years, is really guessing. But you haven't even gotten up to guessing.

Go out and play with the other children. You could play hide-'n-Frankenmeat.

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I'm fasting, or I would go eat some bacon. I wonder if it came from one of Smithfield Foods outlets. It didn't, and now I know why Smithfield Foods bacon isn't on the Walmart shelves any longer.


US Food Supply Controlled by Chinese Billionaire Shuts Down (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/281784-2020-04-27-us-food-supply-controlled-by-chinese-billionaire-shuts-down.htm)




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just to clarify
china did not just say shut down

like any business in america. if the amount of AMERICAN employee's become sick that it can no longer effectively operate, the AMERICAN supervisor/manager makes the tough call to close the facility.

as a side note. due to the pig feed used to 'fatten' up the pigs. after a certain age a pig cannot sustain its own weight and starts to suffer from injuries trying to hold its own weight.
usually pigs are sold to slaughter at the peak point of growth but before the negatives of that growth start occuring..
but less pigs are being slaughtered due to so many sick butchers not able to work
this means the pigs are not just set free to live out their lives in fields. they require being euthanised because they would suffer from injuries otherwise.
(analogy: tell a morbidly obese 600lb man to walk around a field all day, everyday and your guaranteed it wont be long till he gets leg/back injuries)

anyway point is some factories are shutting down due to employee sickness levels
lessons to lern from this are 'just social distancing' policies dont always work and expect many businesses to get sick people as the isolation restrictions are lifted and people get to work in other industries.

but here is the thing. if badecker and his motley crew of conspiracy guys really wanted to help the economy. they could have applied for jobs in factories to fill in gaps from employee absenses

As the reports are coming in regarding the Coronavirus scam, we start to see that the proof has been withheld all along. The more evidence we see, the more we know that the proof will come out in court... soon.


Leaked Pentagon Video Shows Vaccine Designed to ~ Modify Behavior ~ PUBLISHER RECOMMENDED (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/281829-2020-04-28-leaked-pentagon-video-shows-vaccine-designed-to-modify-behavior-publisher.htm)




Leaked Pentagon Video Shows Vaccine Designed to ~ Modify Behavior ~
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-gfTqfVeLHw/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLDfvOJolEfC3LMaWpQ4ZWzh0CwGqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfTqfVeLHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfTqfVeLHw)


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the vmat2 gene is the gene disorder that makes people stupidly believe in things to the point of wanting to do others harm to keep their beliefs

i can tell badecker suffers from this disorder

I just wanted to thank you for advertising for me.

I understand that whatever your status, be it in medicine, or even a fellow at a university, you need to vehementally oppose anti-CV stuff. But you also want to promote what you know, the fact that the pandemic is a hoax.

My hat's off to you for figuring out the way to do it. You simply badmouth all the major players in the forum who talk against the pandemic as being real. This way you draw attention to them and what they have to say, while at the same time protect yourself from your peers in whatever group you are associated with.

You know that if you advertise against us enough, some of the forum members will actually think we are important, and will start to look at our stuff in a critical way.

Now, I know that you will essentially blaspheme me and what I am saying here. After all, you need to be careful about exposure. You don't want people to find out that you are covertly one of those who recognizes that the pandemic is a hoax. So you will blaspheme loud and long.

So, thanks again. I admire the way you are hiding your true feelings, and yet doing much needed advertising that the pandemic is a hoax and fake news. Not many people have the ability to figure out how to do it this way. Nost people are way to honest to play a game like this.

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your not important badecker.
im just correcting you because your an idiot

its that simple

Well, I guess you are right, franky1. If I weren't an idiot, I could explain the CV hoax a lot better personally. But I have to get people like Del Bigtree, and James Corbett to do the explaining for me.

So, thanks again for helping me advertise. Btw, I can't tell which I like better... your big advertising posts, or your short ones. But either way, thanks again for you help. I could go it alone, of course. But having your help always makes things easier.

So, thanks again, franky1.


Does anybody have any proof, courtroom style that the pandemic really has anything to do with Coronavirus/Covid-19? Please let us know about it if you do.

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yep im advertising your an idiot and a troll..
if thats what you want to be known for. so be it.

by the way you wouldnt even know what a courtroom looked like if one was shown to you.
so even if someone found courtroom proof. youd deny it

one day you will realise that there are better judgements by peers than a courtroom
M&M inquiries, inquests and such can harm a hospitals reputation far more than a courtroom

but your the idiot that thinks M&M's are just candy
so ill happily advertise how idiotic you are

Thanks, franky1. I think that most of the forum who read your posts know that you are protecting yourself when you talk against something or someone your personal, peer team wouldn't agree with. I know that it is difficult to contradict what your personal thoughts are, just to maintain your place in your personal team. So, I admire your strength in this.

Just so that you know, there is a mail and shipping place in Phoenix called M&M Mail Services. I bet if you looked around a little, you could find all kinds of M&Ms... especially if you dropped a bag of them in the grocery store, and it broke open. :D

Anyway, thanks again for advertising me, so that people look at more and more of the things that I provide. Best wishes.

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That video has been making the rounds for nearly a decade as I remember.  I'd be careful of it, and I have.

Anyone can get some footage of a university lecture, voice-over ridiculous stuff, and claim it came out of the pentagon.  I would advise a detailed analysis to evaluate the slide content, try to look for lip sync info, try to find open-source info about related related research, etc, before using it.  Else you are getting set up to get egg on your face, and there are a lot of psychological operations designed with exactly that goal in mind.

I suspect that the idea came out of Dawkins 'forced viral' (and probably nonsensical) idea that Christians have defective brain wiring.  I'm guessing that Dawkins would not be so quick to so label Talmudics/Kabbalahists/Luciferians/Satanists as being similarly damaged since doing so would severely hamper his book sales and compromise his celebrity-scientpriest status.

Thanks, tvbcof. I wanted to use it again, but it looks a little fishy, as you suggested. However, if they were doing the stuff in the video a decade ago, I wonder if CV isn't the result of their plan being finished and set into motion.

Anyway, thanks. I'll watch it again.

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After I wake up this is what I see, BADecker really is a source of entertainment. This person has never learn a thing or two about logic, what is the connection of not getting vaccinated and contracting this virus? The answer is that people who do not get vaccinated have died when they were 3 years old and the chances of dead people contracting the virus is zero, also do you even know the reason why there are vaccines? Th reason forthat is so that we can have an immune response for certain sickness, do you want to have another polio or measles outbreak? Because those outbreak happened when the vaccine for those diseases is not yet developed.

I hope that this fool is just a troll because otherwise people surrounding him will be in danger of his conspiracy crap. We can't have these people let loose and reproduce.

Are you living with a tin foil hat?

Mostly what BADecker does is to report on what others have said.

Logic says that we should get two professional, top debaters together...
and get a bunch of expert doctor/researcher witnesses to be questioned in the debate.

Why should we do this? Because we just might find out if the differences in the various Coronaviruses are big enough that somebody can tell if some patient really has Covid-19, SARS, or MERS, or something else from the CV family... or something NOT from the CV family at all.

Why go to all that trouble? Why not simply ask a doctor? Because many doctors think they know, but when questioned by experts, we find that they don't know after all. And, some of the doctors lie. We all know this from personal or friends visits to the doctor.

If we do it in courtroom style, with the expert witnesses under oath with a penalty of 20 years to execution, maybe they will tell the truth. They will surely try, right? The truth might simply be "I guess I don't know after all, so I guess I'm not that expert of an expert witness," and we will have to find other expert witnesses.

Why do we need this court process at all? Because, unless you are one of the few people who have looked in a microscope at Covid-19, and understand what you saw, how do you know? If the debaters in the courtroom are good enough, they will make the CV expert witnesses explain the tiny differences between Covid, Sars, Mers, and others... with pictures so that anyone can understand.

If there is contradiction in what the expert witnesses say and show, then we know that something in the pandemic is wrong. Maybe it's the whole pandemic. And that is what we are trying to find out for sure... not just listening to the media, right?

And there are a whole lot of other things to get into the courtroom... like why the CDC is telling doctors to call it Covid-19 if the doctors aren't sure what it is.

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badecker has no clue what medical inquests and M&M's are

he doesnt know that tests, scans, samples are taken
he thinks that its just about 'two people making a debate'

again he has no clue how reality works

edit: and below badecker is showing a bible verse that shows he deserves a slap for being wrong
no need for him to ask why he should be slapped. he knows he is wrong
having peoples that just read his BS does not make what he says right.

Thanks, again, franky1, for helping to advertise me. If I don't know something...

That's why I bring other websites and videos into it. Do you remember what Jesus said in John 18:19-23?
So you can see that if other people agree with what I say, I have witnesses, and nobody really has any need for questioning me.

Thank you for helping this to come out into the open. I hope you are maintaining your credibility with your group of peers. Please don't advertise for me if it is straining your relationships. But if it isn't bothering your friends too much, by all means continue.

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CV Hoax is 10+ years in the making.. The actual virus, which in my mind doesn't exist is the least of it.  How do I know ?  Well I read about it years ago, it was just a matter of time until all your people are in place, the agreements with countries are made, (such as acceptance of t WHO directive instead of your real docs)  the directives are issued and you have a common goal amongst the cabal. That's pretty much now or never with the way Trump was kicking ass.

To this day, I have yet to find one piece of evidence that the CV 19 is something new and exists.  I know, you got pictures of mass graves and death certificates but I can also find the you the families of the people with the dead relatives and all who stepped up to the plate have said they're furious because loved one was hit by a car head on but died of covid19..  Sorry to make it so funny I just can't believe how dumb people are. They never admit behind every hard false flag is the military industrial complex and soft flags is the pharma industrial complex.

Can't recall the author, Larken something .. many years ago wrote how to be a tyrant, the crux of the story is how to create a pandemic amongst the sheep using the flu.. I wonder what made him write that book ?  Just luck I guess if you're a farm animal.

^^^ Well, if people don't die from Coronavirus, I guess they will die from the hoax.

The new vaccines that will come out because of the hoax virus, will have stuff in them that will make people dependent on all kinds of additional vaccines.

The medical industry will literally be able to turn society into The Matrix movie.

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Here is a good vid that says a lot about the fake testing. Its a multi faceted scam that involves death certificate fraud, liberal media lies and fraud at the testing level.  It talks about how you can pretty much pull something out of a chimps lungs and test for it and find it in humans and make a positive test.  if they're looking for something in the lung, its possible that they are testing for something we all have or will have, due to smoking, cancers, several bouts of the flu, basically lung stress. This is why its practically impossible to find it in kids. Everyone should watch the video as its very informative and the guys does appear trusting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_26ZIUlrQ

Del Bigtree of The Highwire - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos - just within the last couple of hours showed a video of the head of Youtube (I believe it was) stating that Youtube was going to take down any videos that didn't agree with the WHO.

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to correct badecker yet again about the death certificate fraud

a death certificate is not classed as a covid death if its listed as symptoms of gun shot or cancer or anything thats not known covid symptomology

badecker and bigtree are using old scripts from january when good symptomology was not really known.
(yep badecker cannot grasp the concept that its april not january)

a covid death has to have ARDS, pneumonia. and also how scans and tests that validate it. AND the patient receive treatment for it.

they cant just write covid positive on a corpses toetag
its just not how hospitals work

even if someone is covid positive but dues of non covid symptoms. its not a covid death
badecker/bigtree have no clue and obviously not dont the real research

Wrong! Check the video at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234179.msg54335047#msg54335047 to see that worse than this is happening. Or is that video why you are posting?

This is being reported to be happening all over the place. So, tell us what's to stop doctors from doing this, since even the CDC is instructing them to do this, and offering doctors immunity from prosecution if they do it?

Btw, thanks for the advertising boost. Keep up the good work.

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the CDC did not tell them to do this.
you are wrong.
you have still not even read the documents from the CDC
you have just taken bigtree's mis-informed. conspiracy bating narrative

but hey. you will for the next few months refuse to actually read the documents because you feel bigtree has a kissable ass and you prefer his taste on things

idiot

Lol, franky1.

Things are sweet; wake up and smell the roses; read the news and love it.

How in the world dense are you going to remain?

But thanks for helping me advertise. And, as I have said in the past, I'll appear to fight with you (word battles) just to help you protect what you are really doing from your peers. After all, we need as many people as we can get to let average folks know about the big CV scam government, the medical, and the media are playing on us.

So, thanks, again.

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franky you shouldn't be correcting anyone. you're a broken fact checker. all states have said they got the directive to assume and presume

look it just gets worse, mutliple funerals home admit on video no checks, no tests..

each time you put your foot in your mouth, a real piece of evidence emerges from top investigative journalists that say opposite.

I dare you to explain this.. its straight up queens NY on the record saying no checks..

BOOM! Funeral Directors EXPOSE Death Certificate Frauds Behind CV Death << -- Next News Networks reporting on a project veritas piece.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V-rlEQb2gPc/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V-rlEQb2gPc/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V-rlEQb2gPc/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V-rlEQb2gPc/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V-rlEQb2gPc/

Notice the title is plural ?  Frauds,Directors meaning this is not a one off piece and its happening everywhere.

I have zero problem with a conclusion that what you say is true in some places and times, and what franky1 is saying is true in other places and times.

and the stupidity of some people is amazing

the 'assumed/presumed' is where a covid test is not performed using the CDC own lab (code u0001) but done by the recently set up regional/local lab(u0002)


usually the CDC wants samples sent to them so that they can personally do tests on them as a double check. ('CDC CONFIRMED')
but due to the extent of the pandemic and the fact that CDC qualify the regional/local machines for meeting standards. they take it as assumed/presumed covid if the test was done by the regional/local labs

presumed/assumed. are tested just not by CDC themselves
suspected/pending is a different category

presumed/assumed/confirmed(tested) gets a u07.1
suspected/pending(not tested) gets a Z code. with the number differing depending if their is either
showing symptoms but not yet tested Z11.59
test was negative but unsure because exposure Z03.818
plus other zcodes


its kinda funny what people can actually find when they research the actual sources and not just faux news media stories

With many diseases, in the USA the CDC requires evidence to be sent to them and they make the actual diagnosis. In the field, in many cases this has been a problem because it delays the diagnosis, correct treatment, and epidemiology numbers.

Hey man, thanks for doing the research.

The CDC didn't want the actual samples because there weren't any that showed Covid-19 positive, and they knew it. The extent of this non-pandemic is doing something that they couldn't do... producing a worldwide pandemic panic. So, why try to take some samples and scheme around the data? It was already being done for them by the lying Chinese labs.

The CDC is simply a covert arm of the vaccine producing companies. They are the ones who are setting the show for the coming vaccines for a non-existent virus. Why would they want to mess with some samples and upset their own apple cart?

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oh badecker.

we know you watch superman and think its a documentary .
we know you watch many faux news and think its source info

but one day you will look back on your life and realise how much time you wasted in fantasy land

Lol Franky wins again with irrelevant distracting gibberish.. thank you franky1 for being the voice of reason in the forum. you're so deep in lies and fear I don't think anything can get past your skills and knowledge.. Franky1 = Forum God

the news shows people in a hospital suffering from CV-19 -- upon zooming in the people are manequins used for medical demonstrations

the news shows bodies piling up in mass graves -- the news forgets to tell you its a 100 year old practice because there is no space in NY, why run this non-story exactly at this time.

the news shows panic in US emergency rooms as CV19 patients pour in -- the news doesn't tell you the footage is from a small 10 person hospital in Italy.

the news shows slaughter and gunfire in Syria --  Upon zooming in , the slaughter is actually a gun show in Kentucky.

the news shows young children dying from poor gun control laws -- The news doesn't mention they died 3 times in other countries running the same gun control show.

And when a citizen records his local hospital to show its empty and employees have been sent home, its time to call security and enforce laws against citizen journalism. Can't have people telling the truth on the internet.

A lie is a lie, you can only keep it going for so long and when you to go to court to try stop a family from knowing cause of death then its fair to say the people in charge are corrupt and lying and are trying to achieve something else. In this case its panic amongst the sheep which rolls out new laws, less rights and more money for the central bank and crippling debt for you.

What we are trying to alert you to is that this may have been last years reporting rules but since then every DOC,NURSE, FUNERAL HOME is screaming out loud that there was a directive to do things different this year..

Not sure how to get through to you guys, its the source saying it not us. We are just a bit smarter then you guys and know how to tune out the fake news and go to the source. In this case, its the actual medical pro's.

Do you guys follow court dockets at all ?  Someone had to go to the supreme court to hold the scammers to account. And they won easily, the scammers tried everything to block them but the court ruled the next of kin had ultimate right over the body, not the freaky corrupt government and their arms length agencies. So the judge orders and independent outside lab to test for CV-19.. guess what no CV19 .. why is the government and CDC and WHO fighting average citizens on how and why their loves ones died ?  answer me that

When you put it all together -- you get a death cert fraud, a non existant or drastically flawed test, and the media acting extremely suspicious and one sided.

Why ? 
Why ?
Why ? 

Hi, franky1 my friend.

You absolutely know that one needs to be true to himself, if it is in lies, or if it is in the truth. Even Satan knows this, and will be destroyed because he can't be untrue to himself and turn back to God.

I saw in one of your posts somewhere, that you actually loaded an active link to something. So, we know that you can do it.

Got any proof? Why don't you link to some of your proof? All you seem to link to is non-hyperlink blab.

Keep it up. Gives us REAL people something to laugh at. :D I bet even your peers are laughing at you now. :D :D :D :D

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See? Even funeral directors are agreeing that Covid-19 exists, right?    :D


New York Funeral Directors Say COVID-19 Deaths are Greatly Exaggerated (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/282084-2020-05-01-new-york-funeral-directors-say-covid-19-deaths-are-greatly.htm)




BREAKING: Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g5f_6ltv7oI/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLAj2knfuwzGG0d07OjGIAZHzDaYBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5f_6ltv7oI)


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and should badecker actually give a crap about facts
the guy then said "can i prove that, no... its just my suspicion"

badecker does like to take things out of context

badecker pretends to show proof but is just providing speculation

but as shown by ACTUAL death certification research
doctors dont just write 'covid'
they actually list what the person came into a hospital with. loads of R nmber symptoms like cough fever
they have tests done and lots of codes added to medical record. showin if done locally or not
then if its a positive test its given a U code if its suspected/pending/negative its given a Z code
other tests are done on blood and also xrays and scans
then treatments are given
and all of this goes on a death certification


but hey.. badecker will remain ignorance and only search out stories that sound like the narrative he wants. not the facts..


and this whole moth about covid deaths started off from a stupid guy that has never been taught how to fill in a death certificate before says he received a 7 page document that shows him how to fill one out..

but when inspecting the document it clearly says list all symptoms from ones closest to death backwards, includes all scans and tests and goes into further detail of which codes to use wither its CDC confirmd/local confirmed or.. suspected/negative but symptomatic

..
well atleast we can all see that badecker doesnt use google and source material research and just uses 'youtube suggestions'

Lol. All those words, F-1, just to say that even the funeral directors can't prove Covid-19... just as the symptoms could be from any number of things besides Covid-19.

Are you really, finally getting the idea? Or are you just playing with words, as usual? :D

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Here is a good one for franky1.  A 1 min video for those who think a vaccine is for Covid. its not, its for killing you or changing your mind and again its video from the source.. Here is the presenter, clearly saying they have a shot to alter brain function, and the way they get middle eastern people to accept it is with flu like symptoms.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YtbxCUJ2qhoN/

all that ignorance. even when your shown hundreds of places around the world sending thousands of samples to show the RNA of CV
then there is the actual families of those that died which you wil probably deny exist.

But you can't even show one of those samples with the actual sequencing record.

Just curious. Do you work for the media?

Don't you remember those lists of deaths in the USA alone? Heart disease... over 600,000 deaths last year. Those poor actual families. And worse. That they are being lied to about what killed their relatives. Everybody knows that Dr. Pauling's formula of 5 or 6 grams of vitamin C per day, plus 2 or 3 grams of L-lysine per day, cures heart disease... everybody except the patients who are being lied to by the medical.

And now they are being lied to about Covid.


Say. On a more personal note, is franky1 short for Francess, or Francine, or Francesca... or is it something else?

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1. i told you before but your ignorance and pretend amnesia is your excuse.
anyway. incase you want to yet again need the info
oh and here is one from arizona
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN997409
so not far for you to find the doctors actually involved.. .. but i know you will find an excuse not to find them


2. its
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in short do your research and check your sources

Well, well, well. Did you notice in the studies that they don't show a specific virus? Rather, they show groups of viruses that are in the same family. Do you know what this means? It means that they are skipping parts of the sequencing process.

Now, it's true that there are a large number of studies in your links. The next step is to find one that goes through the whole sequencing process so that it finds which literal virus is being doing the damage.

But here is the big point. The tests provide a whole family of viruses shown by the sequencing. So, how in the world do they know which one is doing the damage?

Another point is, in order to do the testing that determines which virus is doing the damage, it would take such great detail, and such care would be needed in the testing, that it would almost take forever to find out which virus is the big bad "bug" in any particular case.

In other words, the sequencing is inconclusive for the big bad "bug." Oh, sure. Covid-19 is there. But so are all its brothers and sisters. So why does anybody think that the problem is Covid-19? The whole thing is a big scam. Pick a bug of your choice, and if it is there, tell everybody that this is the bug doing the damage. Up to you which one you pick, but get on the same page with all the other doctors and testers.

The whole thing is a lie.

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just so you know. that link was not general viruses over say the last 10 years
but just some of the sequences of just covid patients this year
yep not all samples available in the world. but that link is just ~2000 samples of just covid19

if you actually looked and had brains you would see that

you could if you were not ignorant. actually use those and then compare them to other sources.
but hey we all know your brain doesnt work like that. its stuck in ignorance

but when/if you do grow some braincells you can see that these sequences
do compare to other independant labs/countries studies of covid19

and then you can see they do differ to ones if you were to compare them to previous viruses.
meaning its a new variant and its not a few isolated cases


you will then learn that its these sequences this year are actually tied to patients who actually have medical records and actually have doctors who witness the patients symptoms and doctors that also have other info like xrays and ct scans and blood samples. heck patients even have family members that see the patient deteriorate before going to hospital.

..
but you are a fool if you think that the studies in that link are just random different viruses

your even more a fool to not realise how those studies then help recognise certain patterns of rna. how certain proteins and enzymes are involved which also allow other tests to be used.

so want to know how the real world works out 'the big bad bug'
its easy
have a patient with big bad symptoms and take a swab to see what that person has.. to know what is causing the big bad symptoms.. when they find out the cause
they call it (using your idiot words) 'big bad bug'

and when they start seeing many people with big bad symptoms having the same big bad bug rna. then they know its more then just a one off/variable. but an issue affecting many people badly.. so its a epidemic.
now that happened in december/january. in china. their initial epidemic

now lets speed you up a bit
then when other countries have patients with the same symptoms and they figure out that it is the same rna for the same big bad bug they call it a pandemic

yep .. that right. they can identify the bug. and they can also see its not the same as previous bugs

You seem to be proving quite well that you know how to badmouth people, so...

Now that you have shown a bunch of sequencing that is supposed to prove Covid, can you come up with even one of those sequencings that proves it was Covid, and not one of the family of CV, or in some cases, a family of things that go way beyond the family known as Coronavirus?

All those sequencing cases are inconclusive for Covid-19. None of them would ever stand up in a court of law as Covid conclusive. Or can you point us to one that is conclusive? And explain how it can be conclusive when it shows a whole family of viruses? Which one?

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there are many other sequences from many years that are NOT the same. but similar..
its how they can tell the difference between ebola/SARS/MERS


but all those 2050 are the same, and not seen in a human before december 2019
meaning its not ebola or mers or other.. its a new strain of corona virus and discovered in december 2019
meaning its covid19

this is common sense stuff.. stuff many people learned in january.
you always seem to be spouting outdated myths.

Do you know who cares about sequencing? Two groups:
1. Those who are curious;
2. Those who want to find a virus that is at fault in some particular circumstance.

The sequencing that you show and talk about fits #1. But none of it that you have shown fits #2... except in a way that is so general that it doesn't fit anyway.

Or can you show us a sequncing that points to Covid-19 as the absolute culprit?

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Here we have it... the "things" that have to be done to determine if a virus exists, and the fact that Covid-19 DOES exist. - Koch's postulates fulfilled for SARS virus - https://www.nature.com/articles/423240a. Note that the article says: This is important because these aren't Koch's original postulates.

The footnote link points to 4 places:
https://www.nature.com/articles/cas-redirect/1%3ASTN%3A280%3ADC%252BD283psVOlsA%253D%253D
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16559982
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545348
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?&title=&journal=J.%20Bacteriol.&volume=33&pages=1-12&publication_year=1937&author=Rivers%2CTM

The important part about these links, and the Rivers-modified Kock postulates is this. The postulate points have been applied correctly to identify that Covid-19 exists. But they haven't been applied properly for two other things:
1. To show that there is a pandemic of Covid-19;
2. To show that even those people who prove Covid-19 positive, are sick from the Covid-19 that they are positive for.

To see that there is a big difference between isolating a virus, and then showing that the virus is responsible for anything, watch: Dr Andrew Kaufman exposing the 'Covid-19' magic trick - the sleight of hand that transformed society - https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXargSbVp7E/.

We don't have proof that Covid is responsible for much of anything. Why not? Because the death statistics for Covid haven't been proven to actually be Covid deaths, and are not much worse than a standard flu season.

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1. by people IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES being sampled. proves its now international. and not just in china
meaning its pandemic(international) and not epidemic(only national)

2. medical notes of patients sample. where symptoms are specific to a viral effect and not, for instance a traffic related incident

..

but it seems that badecker now wants to believe its real.. so he is atleast at january's part of his scripts. but denying its a pandemic. means he has not yet reached february's parts of the scripts he reads

so badecker is still 3 months out of date

 

Blah, blah, blah. Anybody can talk. The info I have provide in my post 2 posts up, shows that Covid-19 diagnosis in pandemic proportions has not even come close to being proven. In fact, essentially just the opposite has been proven.

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badecker your scripts are stuck because you are now denying the existance because your scripts are saying there are no antibody samples.

sorry but back in december/january there were not. because people were sill sick and not recovered to get antibodies..

but guess what. fast forward 3 months and many have now recovered, many have antiboies. many samples have been submitted and infact many are being blood doners so that their plasma(containing antibodies) can be given to current people suffering form covid..

if you just catch up to the reality which everyone (but your cultish crew) sit in. you will see how things are different to the scripts you keep trying to get stuck with.

again
It's May 2020.. not January 2020.. catch up

F-1, nobody even cares about your scripts, or who you are, or about mine or me. What we want to know about is proof for Covid, not a bunch of media talk, or a bunch of lying statistics that take tons of death data, and try to call them Covid, when they really are all kinds of things, with a few Covid deaths included in the mix.

Fast-forward to the tests that have shown that like 50% or more of the population has Covid without the symptoms. Why no symptoms? Because Covid didn't affect them symptoms-wise. And their immune systems built up antibodies so that Covid will never affect them, and the bonus is that the antibodies show how widespread Covid really is.

Or are you going to reverse and say that Covid hasn't been proven after all, so nobody could find the antibodies to Covid.

Are they paying you enough to act and talk stupidly?

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Hey franky1 !! no comment on the video ? Are you not able refute video when its from the source and not coming from the WHO ?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YtbxCUJ2qhoN/

Actually what has killed is many things, that together have been labeled by the media as one thing, just to cause a false pandemic.

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Some details on deaths .. 2 min video for the simple people that didn't understand the pdf

Guy Destroys Covid19 Death Statistics - 2:14
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sFq3ziGmlvs/

Since a lot people missed medical treatment due to the cv19 hoax and many more just didn't go out for 2 months, we should now expect a surge in deaths. but it won't be from covid.

silly fool
firstly
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/

the left column tallies with public numbers on worldometer
the left column is per week
the left column is lab test confirmed numbers
again the left colum is the worlometer numbers of confirmed numbers


the guy takes the right column of 13k confirmed and suspected.
and takes this WEEKLY number. and says how it doesnt compare to worldometers TOTAL number for 2020

there are no tests that show 50% that have it
santa clara showed 1.5%, another california study showed 2.5%

50 out of 3300 is not 50% sorry just no
but wait. your flip flop was the virus didnt exist. now your saying it does but pretending everyone had it

you do know the purpose of the lockdown right.. to stop people getting it enmasse
yes without a lockdown 1.5% in ealy april becomes 4.5 the next week, 13.5%, ~40% by May
but the lockdown turned a r0 of 3 into an r0 of 1 or below 1
meaning 1.5%, 1.5%.1%.1% = 5%(total) by now..

hospitals were not coping and had near critical bed occupancy at 1.5% and now better coping at 1% weekly spread.
hospitals would not cope with 2%weekly nor 4%weekly nor 13% nor 40%

you do realise the purpose of the lockdown right.
to not overwhelm hospitals.. by reducing the spread and keeping it at low percentages.

here is some big revelation for you personally.
arizona only started getting impacted weeks after california.. meaning based on r0 math. and also based on numbers of actual reports. arizona's spread is way below 5% because they didnt have many weeks of r0 of 3. compared to california

so less arizonians have had it. meaning more arizonians have yet to get it. meaning arizona is at more risk of a second wave if it relaxes the lockdown too much

I agree with you but I think the death toll will increase and through this COVID-19 It is not possible to control it completely. Even if everything is relaxed from before if everything is opened people will be able to move freely again as before then the number of deaths will increase even more Now the death toll due to lockdown has come down a bit No cure for this disease has been discovered.

the death toll due to covid has raised above the normal average. so covid alone has caused more deaths than expected.
but yes those too scared to go to hospital to have dialysis or cancer tumour exams or chemo, will put lives at risk and more deaths can happen

hospitals have sectioned off covid wards away from normal wards
if you had a road accident. an ambulance will stil pick you up and take you to hospital and treat you for your road accident issues.

people can still get dialysis
its only the elective(cosmetic/not vital) stuff that has been cancelled generally. but yes some patients needing chemo have had some hospitals cancel appointments. so i can see a increase in numbers
but nothing huge.

in short. hospitals still run. babies continue to be born. just dont expect to have a cosmetic buttcheek lift anytime soon

Are you saying that when a person has the antibodies, but never had the disease, that their immune sustems simply decided to make up something new for the fun of it?... and it just happened by accident to be Covid antibodies?

It would really be nice if it worked like that. We could attribute the few Covid deaths to a handful of people whose immune systems simply weren't so inventive. Then we could get on with our lives, rather than living in fear of nothing.

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The medical isn't a complete lie... only the important parts are. Now we are finding out what has always been in the books, that we don't really have proof even for viruses.

“Science” can’t even prove that viruses, themselves, legally exist!


What do we actually know about "Viruses" like "Covid-19?" (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/283681-2020-05-28-what-do-we-actually-know-about-viruses-like-covid-19.htm)




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^^^ You see the little bit of the report in my post above. But the Bolen Report site is down. The virus crooks in the medical are proving two things:
1. They are powerful;
2. They have built the whole CV pandemic, AND modern medicine, as well, on a lie.

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EDIT: Check out the following:

Biologist Proves Measles Isn't A Virus, Wins Supreme Court Case Against Doctor - https://www.preventdisease.com/news/17/012717_Biologist-Proves-Measles-Isnt-Virus-Wins-Supreme-Court-Case.shtml

Did Germany's Supreme Court rule that the measles virus didn't exist? - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39817/did-germanys-supreme-court-rule-that-the-measles-virus-didnt-exist

German Supreme Court Rules Measles Does Not Exist - https://nworeport.me/2017/01/23/german-supreme-court-rules-measles-does-not-exist/

Germany court orders measles sceptic to pay 100,000 euros - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

gotta laugh ..
so badecker wants to prove viruses dont exist. by posting links that show they do exist

EG the guy that makes an article saying measles doesnt exist but the vaccine contains.. 'the virus' ..
so is he saying the vaccine contains nothing.. or the vaccine contains something

also looking at a cell means nothing. part of the identification is to do the KOCH test.. which you very well know

parts of the test is to see if it can replicate. meaning its a virus
next is identifying its features. and what symptoms and sickness it can cause

next is comparing the rna of the cell to other rna of other creatures/people who have been sick with the same symptoms and if the rna of the cause matches then obviously they became sick because of the same thing.

they do this test multiple times on healthy. no pre-existing sickness specimens. and see the reaction of infecting that specimen has

this has all be done and proven.
you been told this months ago.

please try to catch up a little faster. i know you finally stepped into the realm of february's history. but try to skip ahead and reach May
it will enlighten you

..
and before you say its a vaccine that caused it.. sorry.. but there isnt even a vaccine out yet.
and you also yourself provided proof from a australian guy that is an anti-vaxxer who said his family demanded doctors give him citric acid. how could he have got sick in the first place if he was living the badecker lifestyle
.. answer. because its not a vaccine that people took that made them sick. but a virus that has been spreading around the world since december. without needles needing to be used.

Of course you have a few things right. But your whole overview is wrong. Here are the basic points.

1. The tiny chunks called viruses are unproven to do anything, clearly.

2. The best guess as to what they are is, they are parts of the body that are trying to repair damage to cells.

3. Damage comes from all kinds of toxins and pollution, and from not having good nutrition or hygiene.

4. Vaccines as we know them simply add poison to the body, further damaging the body, thereby causing an increase in viruses to do the extra repair work.

5. Sometimes the viruses win, and the people live. Other times the viruses lose, and the people die from the toxic vaccines.

In the forum, here, franky1 is the toxin, and I am the virus trying to clean up the mess he makes. The medical might not like the good work I am doing, so they might add a whole bunch of other toxins in the form of suchmoon, Spenulous, TwitchySeal, and others, to help poison the truth in the forum. Then come other viruses to help fight against the toxins... viruses like Tash, TECSHARE, tvbcov, and others, to fight the toxins.

If we the repair viruses don't win by bringing the truth to the forum, it's because the corrupt medical has added way more toxins than us viruses can handle.

You have it backward, F-1.

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In case the cancer remains resistant to https://www.dcaguide.org/dca-for-cancer-treatment/
 (https://www.dcaguide.org/dca-for-cancer-treatment/) for long periods of time, it is advisable to use Diclofenac 25 or 50 mg tablets once per day during 5-7 days, then break the cycle.

agree

The vaccine program is looking more and more like a eugenics exercise.
The blissfully ignorant and docile are being weeded out in...