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Cheating or NOT Cheating?

Coming from altcoinstalk forum I've experience few projects going against their own rules like saying on promotion page that no KYC will be required and after promotion ends they tell promoters to go and open account on an exchange and pass KYC, what can this be called? Cheating? Any consequences for such projects on this forum? Thank you.

It depends on the rules that were made from the beginning. Usually projects write "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything"
So we cannot blame them if they change the rules in the middle or the end.

We have experienced a dozen and one of such altitude here too. Sadly, there aren't any repercussions or punishment for such an act yet here. I guess it's because promoters (like you called them) are always left to themselves without any control from admins here to escrow tokens from the start of any bounty. It is most rampant with bounties managed by newbie accounts and untrusted managers.

Its not talking about cheating but you should always remember they can change rules anytime (this also written in almost all bounty). This one sometimes make us desperate but we cant do anything,just follow them if the reward is worth it enough

This not new in campaigns and sometimes it is stipulated on the rules that "rules are subject to changes." There is nothing people can do, but believe me, this will reflect on the project itself just in case they cheat on the bounty payments

You right. But sometimes some bounty hunter dont even care about this rules. If we join campaign we should all the rules so we can anticipate for bad possibility.

He's right. If the thread indicates that they all have the right to replace any of the rules, they can do it freely. And upon joining, you have agreed to that term and aware that anytime they can replace that rule. So, if the bounty says that they don't have KYC then think that anytime they will implement it because of the one rule that they have said. They didn't guarantee about the no kyc and it's also part of the stunt so that many will be attracted to help them advertise their project.

Do you have check bounty rules before joining any bounty? Actually if team do it mention before'' we can change bounty rules'' then they can do at anytime. So we can't do anything right now, even when you want participate a bounty then try to read bounty rules. (It's better)
Therefore, some unless project have games rules :-\ because after long time later they making announcement'' Every bounty Hunter need pass kyc''
Actually they do not paid bounty amount then their published announcement about kyc after many days later.

That's not a cheat from the bounty campaign manager neither from the project team. Issue of such can be avoided by the bounty hunters when they enforce their bounty right on this forum by compelling their bounty campaign manager either escrow their tokens or sign undertaken to pay when rules of the Bounty change. Its time to take the bull by it horn this time because we have experienced this several times on the forum.

Though, for those who can't do KYC when require by the project should quit doing bounties to save their time and resources.

You should read the rules that already made by team carefully and when it was saying when the team can perform a change to the rules based on their situation and that will not be considered as a cheat caused by they have made it based on their situation. I think that you must try to read the rules again.

It's probably not cheating if the kyc was impose on them unexpectedly. But they shouldn't have gone to exchange that requires kyc for the sake of hunters who expect "no kyc" they were promised.
By the way, did you fully understand what the project owners said concerning kyc before you started working for them? If they said with certainty that kyc will not be allowed and later required it then you know they are wrong. There probably should be some consequences.

in essence all of that has become a decision of the project itself. I mean the team or manager of gifts has the right to change project rules at any time.
and this is the reason why you should always monitor the project that you are taking part in, both in the forum and the telegram channel so that you do not miss the latest information from the project.

I think the team is their fault and not the particioants because first of all you said that they join because they did not required KYC in the first place but after that they need to pass KYC a particpants need to ask them why they now requiring it is totally unfair.

Maybe the participants are scared to pass the identity they have because there is a lot of people who use the information of others to do a scamming.

Well, I understand your point, but what can one do than to comply; this is now a trending event and when you ask to know why there is a change in rules you will be remained that "the bounty manager and team can change the rules". So I think, one should be prepared for anything both from the bounty manager and the team in order not to be at the receiving end or miss out after a long period of time.

While yes, I agree, some projects have used KYC as a means to cheat participants, you have to look at the other side as well.
Around 30% of bounty participants are fake/alt accounts, and by using KYC, the projects hope to filter them out.

Also, in some campaigns, alot of bots join some easy campaigns like telegram or twitter, so kyc is the only way to remove them

It is not cheating. They are making adjustments more likely for the betterment of the project and for the bounty participants themselves. I think, adjustments of as such is to avoid multiple accounts. KYC requires information that would more likely assure that a single account is just linked to an invidual . Those who would be complaining with the rules are more likely the ones who are not following the rules, as simple as that. Sending of KYC won't cost you much of your time so things should be fine. I did find it hard before but when I realized that some participants are abusing signature campaigns or bounty projects , I do now agree to such adjustments.


Also, bounty managers are capable of making adjustments and changes in which for them would make the projects their handle, better, which makes this valid.

Can you provide the project link,
What project is that...!
Are you talking about the main rules not KYC, after the project is completed plus KYC is applied...! That means...instead they send tokens with the Kyc process.

If so what is the name of the project,,,and who manages the project, can you give ANN here.
I often see projects like that, at the end of the scam.

If, proven they are cheating or cheating, the place deserves reputation.

Hunters are not insured. So they are liable to face any changes in rules in any campaign. Every campaign do have a special note on their thread that they have the right to change terms anytime they like. Although such things are not good, but there is nothing hunters can do.

Thanks, I believe changing NO to YES is cheating, once a bounty campaign said there is no need for KYC they shouldn't try changing that again, many bounty hunters promote projects because they have no KYC requirements, ultimately you waste their time for nothing

You have to familiarize yourself with that friend. a few years after ICO, quite a lot of devs really liked to change the rules they made, and I felt that it was a bad decision, because it was not professional. but, you must still follow their conditions. cheating or not, only you can decide.

Well it all depends on what the terms and conditions of the campaign is. If it's clearly stated that the terms and conditions or any adjustments could be made to the rules of the campaign at any time for a better operation then you can't blame the manager for inputting such requirements as that's been done most times to combat scammers and cheaters wanting to profit from other genuine hunters.

On a general note, I won't call it cheating considering it won't after genuine hunters but since the cheaters must have used multiple account to abuse the campaign they're usually those who get angered more about such development with few users that area security conscious.

According to the rules, they can change it whenever they want. So it's not fraud, they can do everything to ensure transparency and safety for everyone participating in their bounty. I used to join a lot of bounty that didn't require KYC, but until the end of the campaign they changed KYC rules and requirements. But that is not so important, just overcome it and get the token

If their rules state that they have the right to change the rules in their own accord then it is not cheating since they have announced it before they even start the campaign. However, as I understand, this KYC is only applicable to receiving or transferring of your reward, if they require you to undergo KYC in an exchange, then this is a different matter.

There is nothing right in this. The rules should not apply to KYC. This is a very sensitive part of the bounty campaign and should not be altered once stated.
A lot of bounty hunters that have come across this in the past try to avoid such odd situation by asking the bounty manager or ask the project team directly on if there will later be KYC for bounty hunters

Well, sometimes it is inevitable, but I always like it when it is clearly stated that KYC will not be required. With that, I think the participant will be cleared.

I don't see anything too special. If they require us to KYC in exchange to receive tokens, it is also a normal request. I also saw TEM bounty before, they asked KYC participants at coinall and then sent a screenshot to be verified. Everything happened quickly and smoothly

It's true and it was the new norm in the most bounty campaigns today they can easily change the rules that favor's to them without the consideration of its participants for me that was cheating since they don't include it to the written rules, such as the "KYC" requirements because not all participants can provide KYC requirements, like Passport, Drivers license National ID, etc. in that case all of those sweat and effort will be wasted. the consequences are low but, if all the participants were united to a common goal it will surely affect and felt by the team who runs the project. but I believe some bounty campaigns are still honest and committed to their bounty participants.

You can avoid this easily, all you need to do is find reputable bounty managers on this forum to start following, this doesn't mean you should join all bounties from the bounty managers, you still need to do better research on the projects first, few bounty hunters never like changing rules after bounty starts, most especially KYC

Maybe it is normal for you but for some, it is not normal. Most users here do not want to have kyc because we don't have even the slightest idea where they will take the confidentiality of our identity. There are cases that identities were being sold in the black market and that is one of the reasons why some users do not want to have kyc.

The rules have become common where a manager wants to change the rules at any time to maintain security in the campaign, therefore if we do not violate it is no problem doing what the manager wants then you will receive the token.

This is normally happening in most of the campaigns today just for additional security measures. We should understand the bounty manager because he has all the right to change the rules either in the middle or at the end of the campaign specially if its included in the rules upon joining it. Cheating only happens if we will not received the said rewards we supposed to have.

Well, it can not be seen as cheating because they exchange is not owned by the project. Also, if they list on the exchange and send your tokens to your private wallet, you will still need to pass kyc before you can withdraw if you decide to sell your tokens on the same exchange they listed on. So no cheating here. Its just a process that you need to follow.

For the most part most bounties that I have seen have included a rule for a long time that allows them to change any rule whenever they want and that includes KYC policies and even the size of the bounty itself, since that rule is there from the beginning technically you cannot accuse them of cheating at all since you accepted those conditions, however it is an extremely dishonest thing to do as we know that the majority of the members of the forum are against KYC policies and that kind of behaviour is a huge red flag for anyone thinking on investing their time or their money in such project.

Well, it's cheating in some way, but like others have pointed out here - they usually make it clear that they are likely to change the rules at anytime. In a situation where it wasn't mentioned, then I would say that it's a pure cheating., But there is still nothing they you can do about it, you just have to still cooperate with them as long as you're sure that you're going to be getting paid and the amount you're being paid is worth it.

You can't abandon money that you have worked for a long time, because of KYC and then lose all that money, though in some cases where everything is starting to seem suspicious, you still have to do just that.

Well, in an honest opinion you have not been cheated. But we can say that it is unfair on bounty hunters.
On Most bounty thread, there is a disclaimer that says that bounty terms or rules, are liable to change any time during or after the bounty

Secondly, while you were filling the registration form, theres a quote that asks you to accept terms / condition before enrolling. Once you do that as well, you have accepted any change as regards the bounty.

Hence, do your own research, and find quality projects to promote.

I am neutral about this, bounty hunters have a point and also the manager or the team. Some bounty hunters do not want KYC because they are afraid their data will be stolen and being used for illegal purposes. As an individual, I am not comfortable with KYC too. For bounty managers, they implement KYC to eliminate cheaters and bot accounts. If the project is legit and GPDR compliance I guess both sides benefit in doing KYC.

Most of the time we see in the general rules section that it's written in the end, " Team has rights to change the rules at any point in time". I think it covers everything. However, we can get it confirmed in main official telegram group about it. Having said so, this is really not good to change the rules once funds are raised or bounty is finished. I think such amendments should be announced earlier and not in the end.

The OP mentioned about KYC in exchange. So if the exchange that will list the token really requires KYC, then the bounty participant can't do anything about it but comply. But if it will be listed in other exchanges without going through KYC, then maybe just wait, but have no assurance about the price. Because usually they fall hard after few weeks in trading before listing to another exchange. So if the hunter doesn't want to be surprised in the middle of the campaign, just avoid those projects that says they have the right to change the rules anytime. If you do participate, then it is all on you.

in my opinion it's not a cheat because as far as I know the rules about kyc are very random for now because since 2017/2018 period is over, always kyc is prioritized even if it's a project that is sorry rubbish, I once followed a signature campaign and only got $ 20 from one month working on some bounty and because the requirement to claim reward is kyc I ignored it and now the token is worth nothing.

I believe this is not new and a lot have been discuss here on the forum. Now in as much as the manager have stated at the end of the campaign that the term and condition of the campaign can be changed, I don't see it as scam because sometime dev team might decide to change what have said earlier to suit the project and sometime this is used to reduce the number of token to be allocated to hunters

I'm thinking that the KYC issue that comes up after the bounty is finished can be intentional from the project team either to trap bounty cheaters out but I think KYC should be announced earlier at the beginning of bounty so that it will be a thing of choice.

If there is no such requirement on predetermined rules, adding this rule is clearly cheating. Sometimes, the bounty managers can insure themselves with writing the guaranteed lines(like the decision of the manager is final) on the first lines of bounty thread.

If they are talking about another exchange then that is not cheating but if they are talking on their own exchange I think something wrong with that project. If they are planning on Exchange that is asking for a KYC, it can still be a legal project because they are not connected to that exchange and that is the rules of the exchange.

You should check all their rules whether they also include that they can change the rules anytime or something like that but if there is no rule that are stating something like that then it is very obvious that they are mocking the bounty hunters. It will be good if they will be reported, the same with the bounty manager or you create a thread with regards to their behavior so everyone will be aware and avoid them.

I am not really familiar with the rules of altcointalk but if they can somehow banned the project owner account and red tag the bounty manager then it can really help. KYC is an obvious violation of rules if it was not stated in their bounty campaign rules and I really hate KYC as anyone can easily use your credentials without your permission so make sure that you will use wisely your KYC credentials.

i think they have the right to change the rules if they think some people are cheating, you see there are some people who uses multiple account for a bounty just to have more than what is really assign for a person, you can't blame them, because they are the one who makes the rules and if they think there are some people who took advantage of something they have the power to change the rules, on the other hand if its not a legit projects they are just harvesting information, my suggestion is to check the project properly and if you think its not doing well, just step back.

Yes, that would be valid if the coin will be listed in an exchange that requires KYC.
It is not on their hands about this requirement, because it is already outside their project.
But if it is their own exchange, then, they should have informed their participants about such requirement.
Really hard to trust bounty projects nowadays.

I heard there are certain rules over there at altcoinstalk forum guiding the processes of running bounty campaigns, unfortunately there aren't such of things here in bitcointalk. This community have experience thousands of project developers turning tail when it's time to make payment or when campaign is ended just to refuse hunters payment, i can't help but wonder when the bitcointalk forum management will introduce some laid rules guiding the running  of bounty campaigns here because projects are really cheating hunters with the desclaimer of "the team and the manager reserve the right to make any rules during or after the end of the campaign". It is common here for devolopers and managers to extend payment schedule, introduce kyc, as well as organise a split payments structure that will last for months just till the token get dump on the exchanges. The activities of running bounty campaign here need regulations.

true sometimes there are also managers who provide additional rules that say the rules can change at any time, but if there are no rules like that should be asked because from the beginning there was no mention of the rules for KYC, I have participated in several bounties like that so I was forced to send my document to take my payment

When getting project need your KYC document for bounty campaign or exchange website, check reputation first and looking how trusted their site before you give your document, I don't care without get payment with some bounty campaign project need our ID but little reward giving and I miss it.

If it was stated in the beginning about that no KYC and then suddenly changed, you can make it appeal to the team. Which i think is useless, I mean. Their project means they can change the rules.
 May I know what's the name of that project you are referring to? Therr are a lot of projects like that, changing rules. It's either two way: for the betterment of the project or to scam their participants or members.

Sometimes the company or the team are the one responsible the bounty managers doesn't really have a thing to do to what the team wanted. At most cases they could easily change the rules since their own the platform. Base on your situation you said that they are promoters so for sure they are just bounty hunters, for sure exchanges have different rules and today I know a lot of exchange in the past that doesn't required KYC but today they required it already. If the team are the one who own the exchange for sure it was cheating at me since I already joined rules should be followed but if you look it on the other way you can really complained about it.

Thats the bad part there. We do KYC for the sake of small reward but in return we can suffer from a very bad situation that our info could leak and be used to illegal activity. Yes bounty campaign without kyc is good and should only be implemented by investors as KYC describe its purpose clearly. I assume the only thing we should do is the KYC on the exchange it is listed and that one fact cannot be denied that we must do unless there is a way for us to exchange those rewards without KYC on that exchanges requiring it.

This is one of the usual sentiments of hunters. In the end of the campaign they will suddenly requiring hunters to pass a kyc, need to abide or else you wont get the rewards. Just like what others said its on the rule, they can change it anytime. If you still join despite that then it means you understand everything even they happen to replace some of the set rules from the beginning.

It looks like 99% of bounties will write rules like that, I think the writing "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything" only changes the rules of each campaign not a KYC problem, I also feel upset and worried if a project asks KYC at the end campaign

Such occasions are really bad for the project reputation, but actually they are not breaking any rules as it usually stated in Bounty threads that the rules might be changed at any time.

Sometimes bounties have rules that can be adjusted by the BM or team, if you come across such rules I suggest you part away quickly, some willingly use this to cheat bounty hunters

This is not a new scenario in bounties. I had been into a lot of bounties which had a lot of surprise changes by the end of the campaign for you to get paid. However, if it is written in the rule that adjustments can be made within or after the bounty, this is not considered cheating.

 they should not tolerate behavior like this because it was like simillar to scam . it other words they dont like to pay thier workers because if they are honest they should put a clear rules and they should add a note if the rules can change in the future or not  .   never experienced to join a campaign like this but i the ones that i came across already have a staple rules on the first day that they started the only problem is that most of them are being cancelled or worst dont pay at all   . this is the only thing that i dont want to happen but i dont really care about those kyc's

in fact the intention is made in such a way that it does not appear to violate the rules, as you say "the rules can be adjusted after the prize". or any form of word that implies that if there are changes they cannot be blamed. Such incidents indeed often occur when it is in the middle of a project or after completion. because they have the right to change the rules and have been made so that they cannot be blamed. there are many ways to get them to benefit and participants cannot do anything.

I personally dislike project team or bounty managers that change bounty rules after bounty ends, there have been few cases about project team trying to cheat bounty hunters, they introduced and force participants to go through KYC process if they need their reward, this is so wrong and im 100% against it

For sure they can.
Since we have no official regulation from govs - their actions have no legal status, so they can't be "caught" for such cheating.
We have to wait and fight for legal status of crypto if we need some kind of protection

   It's happened to me few times, but they justify changing their initial rules, they wrote about reasons,
new regulations, how they need to oblige to some new rules. It's maybe wrong, but it's not cheating
I think.
   We have a last call, if we don't like changes and it looks fishy we should abandon the project and warn
others about that project. With some proves it would go easier I assume, but even logical explanation can
work here, we are not on court!

each project has different rules, but related to the KYC problem it all depends on the decision of the prize manager or their project team, because they have authority or rights in the project rules. You as the project promoter can only follow that rule, otherwise you also cannot claim the project token.

No it is not cheating and to the best of my knowledge both the team and the bounty manager have the right to add, remove or change the rules the way it pleases them, at least it is rightly stated on the bounty thread. With this change in rules happening often and on, I think it is better the person allows himself to be flexible and be open to any change in rules whenever it comes so that he won't end up working and lose all at the end because he couldn't meet up with the new rules.

Well it's kinda cheating, Changing the rules at the end of the campaign. You expect the reward that will arrive in your wallet but no, it needs KYC in order to receive it. It is up to you if you want to submit KYC to get your reward. If that happens to me, maybe I will pass the KYC if the reward is high but if low maybe not.

honestly it's cheating, because at the beginning of the project they launched it was written like a prize hunter is not needed for KYC. but the change in project rules can only be done by the project manager and the bounty hunter has no other choice but to have to do the KYC to get the token.

Unfortunately, this has always been and always will be, a lot of projects that conduct bounty companies, first the bounty companies indicate that the kyc is not needed, and after the bounty ends, they begin to change the rules and say that the kyc is needed, this is done specifically to limit the number of bounty hunters who will receive tokens.

In my opinion, generally, I consider this a violation of the agreement and can be flagged. However, usually, they stated on the OP that they could change the rule if they want. So, if you decided to participate knowing that they can change the rule, then this problem becomes debatable. Well, usually, this kind of problem in real life would be settled in court, but, for this forum, a neutral tag is justifiable.

Red tag or flag, maybe? I'm not sure. You can ask in reputation board about this issue.

It's true that rules can be changed anytime on bounties but some team and bounty managers use this at their own advantage when it's time to pay project promoters, this is why I look at bounty manager reputation before joining a bounty project

I think it is not cheating, but it is dishonorable, especially when it is informed at the end of the campaign when users obviously join for terms and conditions declared at the beginning. They do deserve to have negative trust for this as it is dishonest.

But I will defend managers in saying that most times it is the project and not them who changed their minds.

Yes, it is true. that the gift manager or project admin has the right to change the rules in the middle or at the end of the project. so as a project promoter you can not do much other than follow the project rules. but for me personally this is not a problem either, at least with the enactment of KYC for participants can reduce multi accounts at the end of the project.

Maybe, but to be honest it is not. They the rights to alter their own rules, it is not cheating but it is surely frustrating and annoying at the same time, because it's like they are telling that you're going to have a hard time claiming your bounty to them, it is up to you whether to comply on their rules or not. However, most of the time you're going to have second thoughts about it, since it is KYC which means exposing your real identity to someone you don't even know for a certain amount of money.

well if the company use's some decentralized identity verification system  (https://defiprime.com/decentralized_kyc_identity)than i think there is no harm passing KYC once but if they are asking you to upload your data to website or google form than i would avoid it. 

I have experienced that so many times from no KYC to KYC now, projects that does this are deceitful and should be reported, but since they have the option to change the rules and they state it in their bounty thread, they can be considered safe from scam accusation, and this is the risk that bounty hunters have to face.

They also always state that they can change the rules anytime. So, I think they have the right to do so. You are free to participate by acknowledging all the bounty rules posted in the thread. You should check them before joining any bounty.

Yes some projects need kyc for get double entry participate so it's doesn't matter if team announced about kyc before start of the bounty. Then everyone can passing kyc easily without tension free.

this proves that you are still newbie in this Business mate.
Scammers are misleading ,they will do anything to make people believe about how they are can be trusted but in the end the true objective will come.
just Visit the Scam accusation Section and Reputation here .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Just visit that sections and you will find many accusations like this.

It's cheating on the parts of project owners to the hunters but most times these rules are made to either reduce multiple accounts or as a measure to comply to some sort of regulations the project might be undergoing. While joining a bounty expect kyc before joining even if they say no kyc.

If they have rights to change the rules that is fair and not cheating, because they have campaign who are doing that they set a new rules but once they don't have that is not fair because not all participants wants KYC because what if they join campaign and they spend few months because they know that there is no required kyc but after the campaign they need to pass their information is unfair.

the most important thing is we must always keep abreast of the development of the bounty we are working on, if the rules change at the end of the campaign the choice is still in your hands, if you think the results are worth it, why not.

Well, this act is cheating or not is debatable but i am sure it is unethical and falls in the category of exploiting the workers so one can say it is agai st the global labor laws and it is like depriving the worker of his due reward after the work has been done.

Why do people always react when campaigns change rules. Obviously they can change the rules because they are project owners and bounty. They will change the rules based on market and project situations. If we do not agree with the new rules, we may not accept and abandon the project, very simply and easily.

if they do that without agreement, sure they cheating, but as long as i know, in every campaign, bounty manager or core team have right to change rules, and they including it at agreement section in every bounty thread they made. And thats not a new thing in bounty campaign, and its okey for me as long as the project is legit.

if from the beginning the thread is not required KYC written cheating in my opinion. but if there is information the rules can change at any time depending on the team.
this is usually to get rid of fake accounts

And if you take your time to read through the bounty page and rules, you will see where it is boldly stated the team have the right to change the rules whenever they feel like it, so when you agree with this terms and participate in the bounty anyways,  there us nothing you can do afterwards when the team decides to change one of the rules,
So in this case, it is either you go ahead and do the kyc or ready to forfeit your reward, it is that simple.

If you do not accept their requests, you can skip KYC and not receive rewards. I do not understand why you react to KYC, if you only have one account then I believe you will overcome KYC easily. Users of multiple accounts will blame the project for fraud or fraud if they implement KYC at the end of the campaign

Yes they can change the rules any times as its stated in the Original post when they participated in a campaign. If the manager agree they will not ask for a kyc in the first time you join then thats different things, however since they are able to change rules any time you still required to follow what they change.  Even yoh dont like it, the only option you can do now is whether accept and make the kyc or forget your payment and do not make any kyc.

If it wasn't mentioned at first that KYC will be done post-project period, then it would be kinda unfair for people though. Not anyone would risk their identities for a crap exchange that would surely be a wasteland in some other time.
They should be able to know if the exchange that their coins will be listed requires KYC like submitting information to Google Form.
However it is upon the people's responsibilities if they're even awaiting for an announcement or just merely waiting without checking updates, because I believe devs do an update through Telegram.

Most of the project now has a rules that the manager has the right to change the rules anytime which we cannot blame them because that is their rules,it's up to you if you join on their project and accept their rules to follow. But in exchange you need to pass their kyc in order you to trade,deposit and withdraw.

I am not surprised at all. It happened to me a few times in 2018, and that was one of the reasons why I decided to quit participating in the bounty campaigns. And sadly, there will be no consequences for doing such scams. At the most, the bounty campaign manager will get a red trust and he will just purchase another Bitcointalk account and carry on with his trade.

Exactly that clause "Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything" or change rules has been what they normally use against hunters. I will even prefer it that a project is bodily written that there will be kyc, so we know what we are entering into

We have experienced similar issues in this forum as well and it's quite heartbreaking when things get this way but you can't say it is a form of cheating because the OP statement might have made it clear that he has the right to change the rule when needed and this only comes to play when there is a sense of cheating.

Point here is simple. Any changes during the duration of campaigb until it ends is probably stated always on the thread. I know its sucks but thats how the campaign for altcoins since we cant complained about it. But if the campaign ends then upon receiving the rewards they will add suddenly kyc, then thats a foul and needed a verbal agreement. But sometime manager argue with it but most of the time they cant be approved cause mostly the manager is outsourced and cant much complained too cauae they are the one paying him. We can say its a form of cheatinf but does it matter? Its happening everytime here and not new anymore.

Yes mate, if the bounty manager changes the rules at the last minute of the bounty then I think he is suspecting fraud and he wants everything to be clearer. I have no idea with KYC, if it is a good project and a good reward then I will go through it quickly.

There were campaigns doing that also in bitcointalk, I think I was part of one campaign way back. The project didn't succeed though but the data we had have been submitted to them. Who knows what they could to do to the information they got. Its not cheating but they trick you to promote their project yet they do have a find print on their rules that they may change it whenever they like.

The thing is that, in most of the cases, it is what the developers ask the bounty manager to do that will stand.  Initially it may not be part of the rules, but probably when the team see that the project received a lot of attention from the investors, they may decide to introduce KYC, which at times is to get rid of some people who might have been in possession of their token/coin illegally or hunters that with multiple accounts.  In few occasions, the power of KYC might be delegated to the bounty manager who would have included it in the bounty rules in most of the cases.

That can be considered as an unethical act by the developers. I have seen some projects that already made a change at the end of the campaign. As far as i know, if spycee was also doing it but it doesn't put strict verification. The hunters must know about what risk they have faced it. They must deal with any risk in the campaign.

That is a different rule.
You cannot justify the rule of the ICO just because they listed on exchange which needs a KYC.

Have you already received the coin?
If you did without KYC then there is no cheating that had happened.
Selling those will be your problem if the exchange needs a KYC. You may want to talk to the customer support of whatever exchange is that.

if it's like you said, I think it does have a different and understandable case. however, there are some projects that sometimes do not mention KYC when it starts, but in the end, they require it. Well, I think that is cheating to attract bounties and investors.

This "dev can do whatever they want if stated on the OP" is not entirely correct. Changing terms and conditions even though it has been stated and agreed don't imply it will be legitimate.

In the real world:
Source: Koepke, 2015 (https://medium.com/@jlkoepke/we-can-change-these-terms-at-anytime-the-detritus-of-terms-of-service-agreements-712409e2d0f1)

It is clearly not cheating.
In your statement, you have indicated that they do not require the participants who promote the project to have KYC verification but you have also indicated that they told the participants to open an account to the exchange and pass the KYC verification. If they don't own the exchange, it is not cheating since KYC verification will always depend on the exchange if they require it or not, even if the developers said that they do not require it you still have to pass the KYC on that exchange if you want to sell your reward.

I'm not blaming anyone, but the point we can conclude is the decision of the project manager and the project team itself. as we know that every project is sometimes unexpected, I mean included in the project rules that can change at any time, and as prize hunters we can only follow the rules of the project.

This cannot be considered as cheating since most of the bounties mentioned that they can change the rules at any time but this is really shady and no legit project will do that for any reason, if they wanted they will ask them upfront before starting your promotion.

Have you forgotten that you agreed to all rules and regulations guiding the bounty once you filled the form? So since you agreed, you are subject to whatever the team and the bounty manager decides, it's funny and disheartening atimes but that's how it goes. So in essence, it is not cheating, rather it is the parties involved invoking or revoking the rules they want and believe is good, and hence it is better to be ready always for whatever (rules) that comes out from every bounty as a participant.

We can call it cheat there do it for cheating purpose. Although most of projects hasn't real excuse why have to pass KYC, what was agreed that don't need. Most of the time to follow countries rules KYC rules is mandatory only few times for scammer. Without showing the main reason, of course this is cheater steps.

Something cheating and few maintain the team rules, even if there was fixed rules team can change anything at anytime then we can't nothing to do. But some Project make kyc announced after promoting finish so my thinking this cheating rules.

There is no consequences to that because at the moment you join any bounty you have agreed to abide by their rules with any changes that comes. Although it might seems as not been honest but there is no choice.

It clearly depends on how they portray their rules. If they do mention in the beginning that their rules can be altered through out the campaign/promotion period then it cannot be called as cheating but yeah if they don't mention that the rule can be altered and then alter the rules then I think it can be called as a scam.

This is a deliberate cheating. If promoters of such projects declared the need for KYC from the very beginning, they would attract several times fewer participants to bounty. Unfortunately, the rules for bounty indicate that promoters can change the rules at their own discretion, which means that they did not formally cheat, but in fact it is a cheat and dishonest attitude to bounty participants.

Depending on the regulations that the project made in the beginning, some apply Kyc and others do not.
they also create kyc rules, although they are not mandatory.
then you must read the rules first.you can only make a complaint at the end when there are problems with the kyc later.
I don't think there is such a punishment on this forum.

It's a little unfair, but that's their rule. They can change anytime they want and if they feel not transparent about their campaign. They can ask everyone to KYC to receive bounty, you can personally accept and overcome it or abandon bounty. It all depends on your decision

The worst cheating I've ever experience in the time of my bounty participating period. The project that I promoted has become successful and I could have get a lot of money when they gave me my rewards but instead, they want to cheat to their participants and went unto the KYC method to get their reward. This results in the loss of most of the bounty participant's reward. Do you know the worst part is? the bounty manager didn't do anything about it.

Sometimes there are indeed a number of projects that announce information to do KYC at the end of the campaign, there are many actually and one of them is extending the duration of the bounty campaign. But I think if the project is legit or the results obtained are big enough, it doesn't matter. If it has become a policy to get our bounty as participants, only accept it and do it.

Problems like this we have often found in every bounty gifts and KYC problems usually that often apply, at first the team did not apply the KYC system but at the end of the project all changed we have to pass the KYC in order to get the gift of gifts, but we also can not blame them because the rules are already explained in advance and we must be ready to follow.

A good project is one that doesn't change much in promises including a bounty campaign, which proves that they are serious and the project is often quite successful. I also like things that haven't changed when people agreed to the terms at the begining,  but I think we shouldn't call them a cheating team because KYC isn't a big hassle.

Yes, if we cannot accept their requests then we can ignore it. I personally don't like the bounty that changes the rules, it makes us feel uncomfortable and feel shady.

It can be a big hassle if the project we are taking is scam and doesn't pay after we provide our data. What if they sell our data?

Bounties have rules that can be changed at any time, to avoid this you need to find trusted bounty managers that don't like changing rules after bounty ends, for this all my credits go to bubbalex, he never disappoint me for once

Can't really call that cheating since its their game, their rule. This is pretty common in the promotion campaign since they want to attract as many people as possible to spread the news. After that, they add more rules to weed out the participants whatever they want. Project do this shit is lowest and usually fail after promotion campaign anyway so no value lost.

You should check clearly about the term and rules of that project. Usually they write "manager can change the rule" so if that rules exist its your bad day. It happens a lot of time so before you start join a project make sure you agree with all rules.

the same thing is happening here. the entire bounty on the entire forum has not been faithful with their rules. they keep on making rules that they failed to keep. most bounties here announce new bounties with unimaginable rules and regulation which they change at the end of a successful program. apart from KYC, Some will reduce rewards while some will change dates of payment.

In my opinion, it is natural for managers to change project rules for campaign participants, because they have already passed the stages of project management given by the project owners. moreover, campaign rules can be changed at any time by the manager who manages them as long as the campaign is successful and participants get paid.

not because some projects apply the rule and may change it abruptly depending on the agreement from the beginning, whether the hunters are willing to follow it or not. You can see the rules proposed by each project before joining.

But a lot of people will ignore KYC and they will choose only KYC less projects. So all of the projects teams should make clear announcement about KYC, if any project say that no kyc in started and after end they will ask KYC, this what kind of changing i wouldn’t agree that. Yeah teams have right to change another thing likes rewards,listing exchange.                     

that's why sometimes some rules of bounty write "this rule can change at any time". so it's natural if that changes. besides, sometimes KYC is carried out because of regulatory interests. if not like that, then a project is very difficult to develop, especially cryptocurrency that is considered anonymous.

Since it true many bounty doing cheating almost some years explain like after 2017 year later. I see more bounty hunter do not agree submit ID document for passing kyc then team will take this opportunity after finished of their bounty. Personally we can't do anything if they're take cheating.

This is also common on bitcoin talk forum. However you must understand that most of these projects may change their decisions based on pressure from the financial bodies where they are situated. It's not solely their own decision to make. So let's try not to accuse them of cheating. Also remember you did not sign any physical agreement that limits you from undergoing kyc check

Well,personally I don't think it is right if it has been said there will be no kyc and at the end it is changed, but again, we should remember the rules that says while the bounty is on, the team or manager has the right to change rule,so we need to get use to that and then probably get ready for such occurances.

I agree. 100 percent of projects that cheat bounty hunters turned out to be a scam. therefore, the project must be honest with those people who advertise the project from the very beginning

This is not a new case and this thing happened in every crypto forum! Once I blamed them for such cheating, but right now, it’s not cheating rather a part of the bounty rules. They have rights to add or remove any rule, so, you have to go through it. I am in crypto for many years, did lots of KYC already and never faced a single problem in my identity! So, you shouldn’t be worry, just do it if you feel safe, otherwise, leave the project! We have nothing do in such case!

For me this process is cheating, this situation I faced several times in cryptocurrency. Even though some users can manage KYC process. If announcement is faded that KYC process is mandatory  after 1 year that will be totally cheating. Some projects has dead situation that have to submit KYC from exchange or others site after project successful

Its not talking about cheating , it depends on the rules that were made from the beginning.Bounty manager or admin has the right to do anything during that that period . They can change rules anytime they wanted to . Be cautious when you want participate on  a bounty then try to read bounty rules properly .

I think it is the exchanges that needs the KYC not the bounty campaign itself. Every exchanges out right now in the market need everyone to go through KYC in order to prevent fraudulent account and malicious activities with certain account. It is not that they are not complying with their rules but it is mandatory to have KYC in most of all exchanges.

Bounty rules are adjustable but not KYC, it's cheating to me, it depends on bounty managers though, most I've come across don't go back on their words, once they ask for KYC they don't go back on their words, If any bounty manager do such I won't follow such BM again

Its still an unregulated space. You have to just rely on your wits and depend on the project owner to be honourable to their words. But sometimes KYC is out of their hands and they are probably forced due to regulations which they were not really aware of initially, was required after. So maybe its not the fault of the project. They just didn't realise the number of regulations required.

That's right, every campaign has their own set of rules, it will only be cheating if it is not part of the rules but later added when everything on your end was already done. Even in exchanges, they don't require everyone to comply with the KYC, it's only depending on the amount you trade or transact and if you fall to that level, that's the time you'll comply, but if not, you can transact anonymously.

For bounty hunter, like I said, if its part of the rule then you have to comply and just don't participate if you feel you don't like to submit your KYC information, than complaining because you think bounty should not require KYC.

There's a disclaimer in almost all Bounties which states that the team are liable to edit, alter or change anh terms of the Bounty campaign.
While you were also joining and filling the Bounty forms, you also chose to agree to the afro mentioned terms and conditions.

Hence it is not cheating but can be unfair

Yes we often see in the first page of the bounties their condition to change rules anytime and you as a participant agree and understand it thats why you join their bounty. Its really unfair but thats one of the risk that we need to face when joining in bounties to be able to get a rewards. As long as the project is really legit then I will comply except for kyc.

Every project has rules that apply and must be followed by participants, related to the changes in regulations that are in progress or completion, their management team may have sat down together regarding changes and policies. All decisions in their hands.

For me it is clear cheating, because first - in such way they will cut the number of rewards, second - they will collect your data. If they are acting in such way, they easily can continue their cheating. Or for example - sell their database. Anyway i am trying to stay away from such bad players.

You just need to follow their rules because that is what their implemented if they rules they have rights to change anytime there is no cheating. There is no need to worry about KYC if the exchange site or the website that you are going to pass your details if the site is legit .

Yes, it does look like a very obvious cheating, and everyone does try to stay away from bad players, but we also often get stuck into their strategies, because basically they have a very sweet strategy so that everyone can easily be attracted to them.

How come that it becomes cheating?

As I understood, the bounty that he participated was not requiring them to undergo KYC, the one that requires them is the exchange where they will be eligible to sell their token. This KYC is not part of the scope of the project because the exchange was not developed together with the project.

It doesn't cheating! How can you say it cheating ?
As well as i know,Whenever you follow a bounty program it means you agree there will be a rule that will change sometime.
Maybe they change the rules and make decision about kyc is to avoid cheaters from bounty campaign.
I think is okay to do KYC if the exchange site or bounty program is legit

In the beginning,  we are already approve that we are going to follow all the rules.  So,  we can not deny,  sometimes they suddenly change their rules.  Maybe it happen because of unconditionally situation.  We can not predict what kind of sutuation is.  But,  the great project never take bad steps for all.

Have you ever read any bounty thread carefully??  I'm sure, you didn't. They always mention that "team reserves the right to make any changes of this content anytime" or  "No Need KYC but can be required by team if need". That means they have right if they think they want to kyc But i think they should ask kyc after confirming once "no need kyc".

Agree, All decisions depend on them. And we won't be able to change anything, if we don't accept their rules, we can leave and take part in other campaigns.

We should know that the dev team and the bounty manager have the right to change the rules. We must accept all the risks even though at the beginning they did not require KYC. If the reward is not much, it's better to ignore KYC, your personal identity is more important.

Related to KYC on the exchange, usually, if we make a deposit or withdrawal of less than 1 BTC, it is not required by KYC. Learn more about this rule.

It is an unfair situation that is done towards bounty hunters, and this is also a reason why i stayed back alittle from bounties and focused on gold project for awhile.
Let us continue to find worthy projects to promote, and hope we do not get to a cheating project that will refuse to pay bounty rewards.

Some projects abuse the process and we cant do something about it. But legit projects just making sure that the rewards will be received properly by the users. Normally KYC is not supposedly impose but some hunters are busy with cheating the campaign, team feels the needs to do the process to avoid such giving rewards to those who are not really work hard for the promotion and only just taking advantage the real hunters.

That's right, sometimes a lot of people cheat on bounties and create multiple accounts to follow bounties, maybe with the KYC they will know and reduce cheating. but if you want to keep your documents better off not taking part in projects that require KYC, there are plenty of projects out there that don't require sending personal data

bounty managers are sometimes cursed by bounty hunters because they change the original plan. but they are also required by project owners to implement KYC, which is a must. Therefore, we need to be mentally prepared to perform KYC at any time. because between the project and we have no commitments, they can change the conditions at any time. This is the risky nature of this job.

It's not cheating, but it is misleading! Adding new rules by the team often happens, sometimes not because of the team, it's because they were not ready and prepared, so they stumbled upon some new regulations in the country where they are operating, and they had to add KYC, or they would be forced to pay fines or even close the project! Changes can be regulatory, when they add new rules, but changes can also be technical, anyway the team can be forced to adopt new rules or to end the project! If you choose between these two it's better to add some new rules and continue with project than to abandon the project.

This is not new in campaigns and it depends on the rules that have been implemented from the beginning. It is neither a scam from the bonus campaign manager nor the project team. You should carefully read the rules that the team has implemented carefully, and when saying that the group can make rule changes based on their situation.

Passing KYC is not the worst thing that might happen while investing in a project. Getting useless tokens worth nothing after investing is much worse tbh.

Cheating it is in my opinion because already it was stated that there won't be any kyc but at the end of the campaign they now request kyc just to spite hunters, if you look at it, many hunters only join campaigns that don't require kyc (maybe because they don't have the required kyc document) and they can receive their reward without any problem,
But when you decide to introduce kyc after saying there is no kyc is clear cheating hunters of their reward which is bad.

I think there's alot if bounty campaigns with terms of condition that can be changed anytime, i already experienced this before, people should read the terms of condition first before joining the campaign, developers exploit this condition just to fuck with bounty hunters and bounty hunters can't even do anything about it.

Changing the rules is annoying, especially with KYC. I am reluctant to do it if the rewards are not comparable. The classic reason for the dev team and the bounty manager is to eliminate cheaters or multi-accounts, every time that reason is given, I always wonder: why haven't they implemented it since the beginning of the bounty period?

It must be admitted that some projects campaigns are cheating, which is sad at least there are about 70% based on the results of my research
do positive projects cheating. In a number of ways they are developer projects cheating on bounty hunters. And unfortunately there are no
consequences for projects that do so.

In as much as it seems like teams are going against their set out rules when they comes up with new set of rules at the end of the campaign, i think they do cover some extra rights to make rules and amendments through the discretion they do put up in the bounty rules that the teams holds the right to change or amend the rules that will protect the interest of their project. However, bounty managers and team members have come to discover that hunters do avoid bounties with kyc so they tends to apply it at the end of the rules now

It will not be considered as cheating as long as the project details posted by the campaign manager stated that "we have the rights to change the project details anytime" because sudden changes do really happen within the span of project promotion due to some reasons that is discussed between the project team and the campaign manager. You should always be aware that changes can do happen so always check up the project details every time. Reading all the project details must be done so that you are aware of whatever will happen. But it might come to think that somehow it can be considered cheating once changes happen without prior notice and at the very end of the campaign but the rules are being set by the team and the manager so they do have the rights to create sudden changes. We must just be keep in touch so that we can be updated in any unexpected changes.

I disagree with you. As I understand, the project said that they don't require KYC for bounty hunters to receive their reward. However, for some reason, their chosen exchange requires every user to undergo KYC. It is not part of their rules that they don't need to do KYC under the exchange, therefore, it is not cheating but a misunderstanding in bounty hunter's part.

Yeah and they are using this to cheat people because all bounty hunters that participated will undergo KYC even though they participated because they are not going to ask for KYC, now they are asking so they can get free service from this bounty hunters, this project should be posted in the scam section.

Rule is rule, it's a not a most you join any bounty you come across. And I think reason they always do this is because of bounty cheaters. It's almost impossible to get away with cheating if such method is used.

If they have previous rules then it's not cheating because it's there own behind happen. Since a project stuff can do anything even we can't nothing for it. Besides kyc pass many hunter doing cheating so kyc something good and something bad in my mind. Otherwise, if you didn't like kyc bounty program then avoid it because team will never consider for you because it's rules mandatory for everyone.

You are absolutely right, KYC might not be appropriate for Bounty Hunter but for KYC investors it is required, and preparing KYC if changes occur are also appropriate, I have participated in bounties and I am not KYC because I don't know, and I failed to get my reward, sadly.

yes when at the end of the campaign they asked participants to do the KYC then there was nothing we could do. We as bounty hunters can only follow the rules they make in order to get paid

so the choice is only in us
doing that means getting paid
not doing KYC means working in vain

if you read on the thread that they reserve the right to change the rules if need be.. then it's not cheating unfortunately this is what every bounty will have to experience in the crypto space.. they can choose not to pay up at all.. and theres nothing we can do about it

They can change the rules, as long as it's reasonable and nothing is excessive. But it is imperative that such projects need to be distributed, if they are delayed or not distributed, then those projects are definitely scam and we need to try to tag them.

i know and almost every business or company already posted that notice  .  it sucks because this is verry simillar to being you cheated because they can do whatever they wanted to  .   the only way to avoid this is to not join a campaign that have this rule just to be sure that your efforts will not be wasted   .  dunno what happen to op , he didnt clearly state if the campaign that he joined have this rule but i assume they have it and maybe op didnt saw it   . now he is in trouble   . his option is doing kyc or else leave

if cheating seems like it might not be if KYC is for the good of a project to avoid people or people who usually take advantage negatively or fraudulently, it can be very helpful for other participants who are genuine or not cheating

I agree this is not cheating. A team can decide to add new rules if they think that with new rules they can have a better project and more devoured followers and users. It's on them to add new regulations if they think it's good for the project, it's on us to welcome new rules or to quit because we don't like them. But anyway if project is good it will continue to exist and it will attract people who can respect new rules that can contribute to success of the project.

In this case, they're a cheating liar when adding new rules to the promotion. Consequences for them are that they lost the trust of their followers. Even if people pass the KYC and get the reward, they would dump the coin at the first chance they have since they didn't trust the projects anymore.

If its in favor of the bounty hunters, they will not complain but if it will lead to the reduction of reward, of course they will complain.
The original contract will always stand as that is the agreement from the start and bounty hunters agrees with it and its they are expecting it when the job is done.

Agree, the rules may change at any time to fit the situation. As long as those campaigns make payments, they are certainly not fraud

usually every bounty program has important rules, maybe you usually read it,
KYC is not important but if the project wants you for KYC then KYC should we do

Yes, this is one kind of cheating i think. There are many projects like this. In the beginning of projects they said one thing and end of the project they are opposite. Actually cheating is now everywhere but we have nothing to do if is say frankly. When you have invested your whole time behind the project and lastly you can not give up them. I think it should clear instructions from beginning and continue at the end.

Thanks.

If any rules are changing, then just provide information some days or time before is helpful for people also to understand and not the same rather than coming on the last hour. Generally, if any big decision are taken then they are thoughtful and pre decided also so better to let everyone know in advance and it will be fine with people.

it becomes a rule for "Bounty" project managers to make changes, and I have personally found a project like that where I have to change my wallet and KYC, so don't be discouraged by projects like that, just do it and enjoy   ;)

I think we should really read the rules of a bounty campaign before joining it. Because some bounty projects says that there is no kyc behind their project, however the manager or team stuff has the right to change the rules. So, there's a chance that the rules might change in the future. We could say it is cheating if the bounty team changes it's rules in the long run without saying they would change it, because some bounties saying that there's no kyc needed but after the project it changed to kyc rules, so it's hard to adjust on the part of bounty hunters.

In my opinion this is not cheating, because there are so many projects like that, at the beginning of the regulation they didn't have to use KYC to get it, but after that they have the right to change the rules they had before, maybe you didn't read all the rules they gave in the project thread. That's why before you join a project, you have to read all the rules they set there so as not to misunderstand the project rules.

sometimes the hunters do not read in detail the terms and conditions that apply before joining...
It's not unusual anymore when project developers change their rules, it's all back to us participants whether we want to follow the change in campaign rules or not.

Despite the terms and conditions, which might or might not have been read minutely, i dont think one can pull them or even call it cheating, because i think what you are mainly concerned with here is if something can be done about it. Right now crypto comes with such a broad spectrum of possibilities and risks, that one just needs to take a situational call, with sudden changes being a given.

KYC requirement is totally bullshit in my opinion. Crypto market is considered to be an anonymous ecosystem. Sharing personal data is ridiculous. Especially when we have to share them on internet with the crew that we do not even know.

It is not new to me specially that in our industry, cheating always occur.
Actually, it is the problem that we deal always in projects even before. They just let us to create and pass KYC so that there are delays in the distribution of tokens in our wallet. But at the end of this, we will not receive any amount to them because they deceived us. Unfortunately, there is no consequences for these projects rather than to make scam accusation to them.

I thought so too.
this can't be said to be cheating, sometimes they also write in their thread that they can change their rules.
so I thought what they did was okay.

if we follow their bounty, we only need to be actively following their progress via their telegram or thread. so, if anything like a change to the rules happens we will know.

Make sure you read all the rules of the project. Most of the time they include rules saying they can change the rules of project. Maybe they to adjust something to improve the project or there is really a need for it to be done. So you have to follow it. Besides, it is stated on the rules though it seems to be conflicting, but what important is they will compensate you after your work and compliance to them.

The thing here is that theres nothing you can do if the team decides to alter out rules in the end of the campaign.Sounds shady right? but you wont have any choice or options but to deal with it.

Basing of into the problem about having no KYC but the tokens ends up on an exchange that requires KYC? I cant say its cheating on some sort because exchange rules about KYC is different and the
team itself isnt responsible for such rule or terms on said platform this is why we cant point out fingers that theyre cheating.

As long you do get paid or do make up some search too if that platform is owned or connected to them then thats a clear sign that they are just trying to fool people and since people
do hate KYC then they would just simply ignore and dont mind about their rewards.

This isn't cheating friend, No KYC doesn't mean they can't ask bounty hunters for KYC, sometimes to avoid cheaters few bounties ask for KYC and also every bounty rules can you changed, if you read carefully you will see this rules on every bounty campaigns, rules can be changed at any time.

Every forums has is own rules and once you disobey the rules,they put on ground it seem as if they are cheating you not knowing you disobey one of the rules in the platform. In every forum in altcoinstalk there's some one who is monitoring the forum to check as a manager or adm if any one disobey the rules of the forum and to know the penalty he or she will face.
I guess is not cheating if you disobey the rules that guide the forum. Many sure before you join any bounty campaign forum ensure you follow their rules to the end of the campaign.

I think it will not be seen as cheating if the person who manages the campaign has rules that would say that they have the right to change the project details anytime, I think due to the uncertainty of the bounty and the volatility of cryptocurrencies in general. The bounty participant should be aware of the possibility of changes happening within the rules of the bounty project and is ready and should be ready to make the necessary adjustments if changes do happen. If the changes happen at the end of the campaign or during the distribution of bounties to the participants, then the odds of them making a run for it would now be obvious. But also the eventuality of a failed project is also inevitable for some and many bounty hunters would resort to selling their bounties as soon as they can for a quick buck.

Maybe a little discouragement on the part of bounty hunters but we should know that the team and staffs has the right to change their bounty rules in the end of the bounty campaign. It's not cheating i think but it is discouraging because some bounty hunters tend to join because of no kyc but in the end it requires and it can be difficult to some participants to make kyc maybe because of lack of identification and etc.

that's why we have to be more careful with personal data. because personal data is important and very dangerous if fell to the bad guy.

I have also joined bounty campaigns before with promises like that. I did a lot of effort performing tasks but eventually the manager, change the rules and KYC is required to received the stakes. For projects that I felt have great potential I was forced to submit KYC. Others I just ignored and moved on. I have accepted that joining bounty has risks involved.

Some yes actually make last minute changes to the rules and some even make worst even than that like what clipx did. After bounty ended the team asked bounty hunters to go through kyc but right after all kyc had been done, they announced that they would not list or push through project leaving a the hunters in disgust because for robbing their identity. Get used to it, you'll see more of that coming.

It's so funny, I see projects like that very often. they were really cheating at the beginning, they didn't say they had to be kyc in order to increase the community and promotion they got, after the end they changed the rules arbitrarily as required by Kyc with long-winded reasons.

Such project giving tokens after bounty ends and no passing kyc except for those projects are not willing to do kyc. But if you send it to exchanger that available that is available for kyc and not for the project.

I dont know i think it dependa on the rules project it self. If they stated from beginning that they can change rules so they do nothing wrong. It is really important to make a decision before participate on any project. Read rules carefully & if something going wrong you can quit anytime.

Maybe you didn't face a later KYC problem. OP is asking for a later KYC announcement after the successful project. Recently take as an example of "Clipx" campaign. If your country doesn't support KYC, how will you receive your rewards? Some of us don't support sending their KYC. I don't like to send my information to any kind of scam projects. Overall, I think this is cheating on bounty hunters.

sometimes some managers have clear written rules. you can read it more carefully first. because the bounty manager also has the will to reduce and add regulations to the projects they manage. the consequence is only the trust of the community in the project and the market. because indeed the ability of the bounty participants will not be too big and also have a big impact on the project because they have stronger investor and market confidence when they are already traded.

I think it is their right as the owner of the company because there might be an appearance in the project they are building, I think to avoid it all
(NOT)

There will be always a sentence after all rules mentioned. It has the power to add or remove any rule." Project/team has the right to modify these rules at any time". Logically, if any new rules imposed after the campaign ends, it is ok but ethically it is not good for the reputation of the project. It may decrease the confidence of the community in that project.

This is not cheating, if you read project rules very well, there is always a statement like team has the power to change any of the rules stated in the bounty thread during or after the bounty campaign. So, is normal if you witness this happen anyother time.

What! You don't think this is cheating :). Suppose the Youengine team decided to decrease the bounty rewards after 28 weeks complete because the team has the right to change the rules. I will suggest something to you. Don't justify anything that you didn't face before. Check the Bitwings, EZ365 exchange, PayAccept and Clipx campaign. Both campaigns change the rules. Only the EZ365 exchange is good. I face this problem and I know how it feels.

It's sad the fact is like that, a lot of project teams change their rules when the campaign ends. Therefore, usually the bounty managers
include in the general rules that the project developer has the right to change the rules at any time, depending on the situation and
conditions. Sure, it looks cheating for me, but we can't do anything about it. If you do not agree with these rules, we are given the freedom
not to participate in these campaigns. So if you want to avoid KYC procedures, look for projects that have notified you from the start without
any KYC procedures. But there aren't many bounty campaigns like that.

By the way, everyone has their own perceptions. It is true that bounty managers and project owners have the right to change the rules, it is usually written on the front page. Well, if you already know about this, as a bounty hunter we must be prepared for all of these changes. Is not it? I call it a risk.

I have also felt that, there was a change in the rules regarding KYC, it was disappointing, but what else can I do?
but that doesn't mean we can't do anything, we can raise protests and objections together, moreover, this forum also has pretty good power. Make a report thread and the like, if it is proven to be fraudulent there will be consequences for the manager's bounty. That is why I am sure that a professional bounty manager will definitely strive for consistent rules and provide benefits to all parties fairly.

This can be found on our forum. There can be two situations. If the rules contain a postscript that they can change at any time, then formally this is not a deception of the participants and the campaign owners did everything within the law. However, passing the KYC is a very fundamental question for some people and they refuse to pass it. It turns out that in this way the owners on this basis have the right not to pay some participants. I consider this a disgusting and unworthy act.

Still there are bounties like that or most of them, they have disclaimer or postcript as you said it. So it is their prerogative what changes are they going to make in the middle or after the campaign. Here in the forum, what the users can do is just give negative trust to the project if they will not give the share of their participants. And it is up to the participant if he will submit the required docs or not. Just be careful in selecting campaign.

The moment that rule about "team reserve the right to make changes anytime" is included in the bounty campaign rules already tells you as a hunter that the team will most likely change the rules somewhere during the campaign process, maybe a reason for them to make a decision and make changes, or compel to introduce kyc that was not included in the beginning of the campaign, this are definitely the unexpected scenario a hunter will encounter while during a campaign, there is nothing much we can do about it.

The exchange is not related to bounties, the reason you mentioned is illogical because participants bounty can still receive tokens using a wallet, if the exchange requires KYC for trading activities then they can do KYC or wait for trading on DEX exchange.

Such project giving tokens after bounty ends and no passing kyc except for those projects are not willing to do kyc. But if you send it to exchanger that available that is available for kyc and not for the project.

It's outright cheating there's no other word for that, yes they can change the rules but they already know that some bounty hunters do not want to undergo KYC, so the team will have a free promotion from these bounty hunters, and some projects have a hidden agenda they set up a bounty campaign just to obtain the bounty hunters credentials so they can sell it online.

WELL, either on altcoinstalk, bitcointalk, or cryptotalk; there is no consequences for such projects. At most the project gets red trusted and account deleted, and new  accounts can be created. This is why you as promoter cannot lose guard; instead you focus on promoting projects that are of utmost value, and low risk of betraying trust; you find out this by doing your research before joining bounties.