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I’m sure by now all must have heard that Germany and France have imposed second lockdown, and this news shall crush small business owners morale, and even effect those people who rely on jobs cause it’s quiet possible that they may never be employed again.

Furthermore it’s pertinent to note that this lockdown has come during the holiday season, and if it continues to stay in place then Europe’s economy could be severely impacted, and therefore in my personal opinion it could take year’s before European economy completely recovers.

What is the worst case scenarios that come in your mind when you read this news?.

Source:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/covid-lockdowns-in-france-and-germany-will-hit-europes-economy-again.html

Everything always looks darkest when you are in the middle of a crisis, but humanity has shown time and again that it can persevere. People will find new and creative ways of living with the virus. Vaccines will eventually be found and in the meantime some sort of rapid testing system could help alleviate many of the problems the world is currently facing. This might eventually speed up ideas like "universal basic income" and hopefully all these billionaires sitting on piles of money will be forced to put it back into the societies that they have drained it from. Europe will survive and grow stronger, they have arguably (even though they are much more fragmented) handled it much more sensibly than many other countries around the world. Open societies based on freedom will always prosper more than closed and secretive countries - of which there are many. When the virus is defeated, life could go back to something similar that we had before and lots of jobs - like the travel industry - will rapidly appear again.

Well for sure it will have a negative impact again to the their economy and who knows, there could be another set of stimulus package to help their people to cope with this second lockdown. OF course, it will be another black eye for the economy as they might have started to bounce back, unfortunately they have to close again. I. guess governments will have to learn their lessons from the first lockdown and implement more drastic actions to at least contained the spread again.

The only hope we got right now is that we will some some semblance of development regarding a cure or at least a vaccine to help control everything and be back to normal to help people and the economy recovered in the next 2-3 years.

Even if Europe stopped being as industrial, I think we're still within out means agriculture wise...

But I think it's the third lockdown now too? Germany has 4 weeks, o think England will be getting the same and Wales went into lockdown 2 weeks ago (our cases aren't as bad as the rest I think we're trying to irradiation if we can or a very low number of cases).

Here is the difference between Europe and the United States. In the US, president Trump re-opened the economy. He is getting bashed by the mainstream media, claiming that the decision to open the economy was the reason for the big spike in cases there. These same media outlets were praising the European approach earlier. But the cases seems to be raising there as well. But the obviously, media is after Trump and they are silent about the European leaders.

The first phases of the lockdown was very bad for the economy, and after it was eased, many countries around Europe and the world were on a recovery mission, this second lockdown no doubt will take that recovery process some steps back, but I can imagine it's very necessary looking at how the virus seems to be spreading yet again.

But imo the economy may not plunge like it did many months ago when the virus was new and lockdowns were imposed for the first time, countries should have learned a thing or two from the first wave and I'm sure there are quite a lot of measures put in place to keep a stable hold of the economy as they see out this second lockdown, in some countries it's not even a total lockdown, just specific regions and some specific institutions will remain open. Covid-19 vaccine is also a forthcoming possibility in not too long, so the economy will surely plunge, but will survive all this for sure.

Winter is coming and then there will be another lockdown and then a shortage of food. The worse is coming.  The first lockdown had already crippled the businesses everywhere. The ones that are opening  while there's still pandemic are just trying to live only so they can pay the bills, this is going to kill people in starvation.


We just can't trust the media today.

It is known that pandemics strike in waves and in many cases the second wave is way worse than the first so some governments are electing to place another lockdown on their citizens but how long can this last? I mean people need to work, if the economy was based on having responsible people with lots of savings then the lockdown could have worked and it would have curbed the disease significantly, but in an economy based on debt and credit then people have no money to stay in their homes and many will have to either starve or go against the law and face jail time if caught.

Bigger question is will they survive the 3rd wave.

There are much more infected as they were in first wave but at least economically lockdowns are not as strict as they were in the first wave. In September economy managed to get back to last years values, now in October will drop again, but for sure not as much as it did in March and April.  

Currently worst situation is in Belgium, Czech, Slovenia, Switzerland and Netherlands. I think Netherlands situation s already getting better. Hopefully other countries will follow.

This is not even the worst condition in the whole world. Trust me when I say this :
Humans are very intelligent creatures but the fact that they are able to withstand the situations and at the same time change accordingly is astounding. We have adapted ourselves according to the pandemic and now people have actually started to open up their shops , businesses according to the situation and Excel in it.
- I don't think the economy will go much down
- we have better and faster tests and many countries are using the vaccines , skipping the trial 3 , just giving it to teachers and doctors so we have yet to get its results.
- everything is already online and people have seen this situation, so it would be easy to just implement those practices without much thought
- the ridiculous prices of masks and sanitizers are now down and the shortage of medical equipments are being taken care of.

The world is much more efficient and much more equipped to handle such waves now.

Honestly I didn't expect a second lock down to happen, I thought the government's would try to. Hold off until next year to not further damage the economies. In Europe the corona relief find us still not ratified by the national parliaments. So there is a lot of money already missing where people are counting on it. The second lock down is going to make things worse, probably many of the small countries are not going to survive that.

The government might already plans it and set budget to do the second lockdown now they are able to think and really budget the need supplies that might be needed during these lockdown. The economy will still sure to survive no matter what as there are still businesses that can do online transactions and investors that are taking this advantage in some sectors need during this time. The Earlier they can eliminate the spread and able to lower the risk of many more loses. What is really needed now is people's cooperation.

If there is a sign of second wave then it is nit going to be restricted into a border, the whole world might face the second wave of corona and for sure it is going to affect the economy once it hit the range which forces the government to lockdown the country with no choice.Especially the festive season is coming in a month which is going to trigger the second wave sooner.

Did you see this:
"More than 700 km of traffic in Paris as second French lockdown begins" - source: https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/30/more-than-700-km-of-traffic-in-paris-as-second-french-lockdown-begins (https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/30/more-than-700-km-of-traffic-in-paris-as-second-french-lockdown-begins)
As I see it's happening in some other big cities in Europe! People are running away from cities, lockdown in the apartment, without yard,  can really be crazy! Economy is on the break, after the first lock down and printing money like crazy I wonder what governments plan to do next!? To print more money maybe?! We all know how will that end, so people it's the time to getting into crypto more than ever before!
Well as I said before, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, like always!

France is a worse situation when compared to other European countries due to the terrorist attacks recently and the religion issues. However, they will overcome this pandemic and religion issues just like the rest of the world.

It's basic human nature. We overcame so many problems no matter how dire the situation was through out our history and it will most likely stay this way in the future.

I agree with you, currently France is a country with a very bad situation, even Islamic countries in the world such as Arabia, Turkey, and even some Indonesian countries are boycotting French trade in their countries, I believe it will take a long time to normalize this and make stocks France is back as before

Lockdown isn't a problem for small business if their government has this plan beforehand for small business to contain such thing. If they will still be able to operate amidst the pandemic and lockdown then they will survive, but I doubt they will only let this happen to businesses that is necessary for people like food restaurants and any providing needs related. The answer is that, until when? if it's only a week or a month they might be unaffected at all.

Gotta love this oh-so-optimistic quote:


And no, OP, I hadn't heard anything about this.  I live in the US and don't follow world news much, so I thank you for linking to the article and starting this thread.

I'm not sure when, but eventually governments are going to realize that they can't keep shutting down the economy to fight off the spread of a virus that is nowhere as lethal as it's being made out to be.  I think Germany and France are shooting themselves in the foot by doing this, and who knows when this is going to end?  So to everyone living in those two countries, I wish you guys the best.  And maybe you ought to follow the Americans and take to the streets in protest.

There are lots of factors needs to be considered here about the future of economy of European countries still I am sure that they must have prepared for this unlike how drastically they have face the pandemic and lockdown things by last March/April times. I mean that there were continuous warning about the possibilities of second wave of covid19 and if their governments listened and have reacted in terms of planning on how saving their economy in all possible means then definitely they will come back once again stronger like how they did against the first wave.

One of the prime factor must be arrival of vaccine for covid19. If that will be available for human use at any time soon, I guess their economy will not get worsen any more as people will be confident about quick recovery regardless of how worse days they are facing right now.

Although I think that most of the economies in the world are very fragile nowadays, I don't think they can't sustain a year or two of emergency state. As I understand from WHO declarations the vaccine is coming in the spring of 2021. That's a few months away - not a huge amount of time if you ask me. I'm mostly concerned about the medical systems in emergent european economies. I'm in doubt that they are going to successfully pass this winter season. Probably EU will have to step in and provide additional aid for those countries.

I've only heard of it when you posted it in here. I'm not updated to European news and that's why I thank you for posting it here. Didn't know that they just went through a second lockdown. The first lockdown showed how it affected the entire economy of a country and the rest of the world took the same step a and see how it affected everyone's lives. But if it is necessary to do it, for sure there were aid from the government for temporary survival until they open their economy again. The worst isn't just all about recovery but the mental stress that citizens will have while being in the 2nd lockdown.

If it is needed to safe more people's lives, then it is good to lockdown again. The economy recovery shouldn't be too much concern where health and life is important. So I follow the reasoning of  shutting down for a second time if covid-19 has broke out again but the government should support the people rapidly to grow the economy when the lockdown is over.

Worse case scenario has already been stated in the article. What else a country with almost 50,000 tallied cases every single day could do to stop the spread?
Let's just accept the fact that it would really kill hundreds if not thousands of businesses specifically in the entertainment and events industry. That's one major way to mitigate the spread. Health is wealth.

Now, my verdict about covid as an attack to the economy has now become even stronger. I don't know about this conspiracy theory, but If this is true, then I can say this is an intelligent idea not spending a single bullet to kill citizens and the economy at the same time.

The economy will survive anyway. The losses will be huge, but governments believe it is better to have economic losses than loss of human lives. Also, do not forget that in addition to direct deaths from the epidemic, there may be health consequences that will remain for a lifetime. It is insanely pity for the failing enterprises, but after overcoming the consequences of the pandemics, one should expect the return of such enterprises, but with new owners. There is such an expression - a holy place is never empty and here it fits very precisely.

the move is to contain the continuous spread of the virus. yes, a lot of businesses will be affected but it is all the same around the world. they are not the only country suffering right now. i guess they still have better living than those in the 3rd world countries. they may have this lockdown again, but the govt is just thinking the impact of covid to its citizens. they dont want more people to die. so are you going to exchange the business with your life? i dont think so. we have only 1 life and that business, they can always get back on their feet but with life, if youre dead you have nothing to do anymore.
people can always recover no matter what crisis they will encounter, pandemic, intense tropical cyclones, bushfires crisis ect.

Upon reading the article, the lockdown seems to be taking months before being lifted. Probably, things got off from governmen's plan of being prepared for this. They might not saw it coming. Small businesses will be having a hard time to protect its existence in the market if lockdown will not be finished as soon as possible. But let us hope things will not be worsen. People for sure have already learned from the previous lockdown which could help to lessen its period and for the economy to be able to recover immediately. It is us who will help each other in the first place.

I believe France and Germany are developed countries that have good economic advisors. So the second lockdown will not destroy
the economy. I am sure these two countries have learned a lot from the first lockdown, so that the second lockdown can be more
controllable. And I'm sure not all sectors will be closed, so the economy can still run in a second lockdown. Humans have very good
adaptability, compared to other living things. Therefore I am sure that the European economy will not fall, and can recover again.

In Austria they're introducing curfew. You won't be able to leave the house at night, which is pretty much what they did in Italy in Spring where people had to party on their balconies because they were not allowed to go out. At least I'll have some free time to do work around the house and tidy up a bit. Just for the record, none of my friends and family are sick. They are reporting thousands of cases every day and I'm yet to see someone get sick for real.

If the people are very cooperative then they can survive this one but if not, expect their government to struggle more especially on controlling the virus. Asian countries successfully fight this pandemic because of the lockdown, and their people are cooperative and I do hope that everyone will follow the government, this is just a small sacrifices for us to survive, let’s take this seriously.

A much worst case scenario if the virus continues to spread all over the country so this is a great move by Germany and France. They are a developed country but their people needs to help their government as well and fight this virus as one. They succeeded on first lockdown and I’m sure they can stand still this time around and finally control the virus. Germany is doing their best to find the vaccine, I do support this one and I know they all have the resources to fight the virus.

This is a big challenge to them and yes small businesses are indeed affected on this another lockdown but hopefully they don’t give up easily and continue to fight until they have the chance to go up again. The health is what more important right now, you might lose your job but at least you’re still healthy and kicking, this second lockdown is a biggest challenge to Germany and France, maybe they have a concrete plan regarding this one and with France, I hope that they can also control the terrorism while fighting the virus.

It was really sad for them for they have again setting their countries into lockdown and that is already for the second time around. Those European countries are one of the earliest countries to remove their lockdown and have opened up their economies for they have manage to control the number of cases on their countries. It was just so bad that they once again needed to impose another lockdown. Yes, it can totally affect their economy but health must be the priority for we may expect the worst things to come if they won't do the lockdown because the cases might severely get into an inflation which will get things worst to handle. Let us just all hope that this would be the last time they will be into a lockdown and may they handle this issue to recover fast just like what they have done before.

The lockdown is really sucks but it should be done by their government in order for them to stop the virus to spread in  countries in Europe, most of the active cases nowadays are in Europe and I think it is the reason why they have now strict health protocols. There will be a huge impact to their economy again because of the another lockdown that the government implemented, I am sure that there is a study behind that and they know that there will be impact in their GDP as they close their economy once again.

But what they did is good for me because the virus will keep spreading if they will not make any move. The health facilities in Europe are also the best unlike here in my country it is really sucks because of poor health protocls and also poor health facility. The economy of Europe can surely survive it but for me there will be a huge impact and it will take a long time to recover what they lose.

Europe's second lockdown will never sustain their economy the second lockdown will bring the economy down further the economy will be hit hard by a series of drastic measures including a second lockdown to deal with the crisis. There will be tension in the livelihood of innumerable people Productivity has also fallen on deaf ears although many countries have tried to deal with the situation through emergency subsidies and various financial assistance there are fears that the government's coffers could run into a long-term crisis if they exceed their capacity..

I don't know why they are destroying their economies with these stupid lockdowns. Now it is up to the people to take the necessary precautions, such as wearing masks and maintaining social distancing. Strict measures from the government, such as new lockdowns will not reduce the number of new cases, and at the same time it will cripple the already damaged economy.

Right now people are prepared to face the crisis. When it is new, there is more fear and the impact was very severe. By that time governments were also unable to tackle the situation as the spreading is quite fast compared to the present days. Now people have made precautions and majority of the people have started to wear mask and avoid touch. The second lockdown is imposed out of second wave of virus spreading.

Germany being highly technology dependent and manufacturing focused it will be a blow to the economy when there lacks production. France is combined of the fashion industry which also contributes to a massive amount to the economy. The country operates with better precaution, this lockdown will not have a big blow over the economy as the past.

actually enforcing "LOCKDOWN" will only make citizens (workers and small entrepreneurs) suffer even more.  Just imagine for 14 days they can't work and do free activities, if they have enough savings then it doesn't matter but what about those who don't have savings? So sure they will go into debt and even sell their valuables things.  for me "LOCKDOWN" is no longer effective, better monitor the residents and enforce health protocols (wear a mask and bring a hand sanitizer) strictly..

The countries in Europe will still survive in the second lockdown, no matter if that is hard because they don't want to see another big wave of Covid. We can't blame their decision to lockdown their countries because I am sure they will have their reason, and perhaps, the only way to reduce the big number of the infection is by the second lockdown.

We know that the lockdown affects their citizen, the business owner, whether it's a big or small business owner, but they will search the other way to survive.

The worst scenario that can happen is that people in that country will not survive and are suffering because of this second lockdown. But we will see what the government will do to minimize infection risk and still trying to survive.

Economy can survive anything, people are reacting like economy is not something we didn't made up, it is a paper money that we give value towards and if we want to we can always give the same value to it anytime we want as well. Just to give an example, there are tons of companies and there are tons of people in any nation right?

Well, the money is still the same money, the amount doesn't get lower, nobody is out there burning out cash, there is no bank deleting all the digital traces, so the same exact money in the world is still exists, why would anyone get affected?

Let me tell you why, because companies will want more and more of it while people will not have more of it, and if that stops due to pandemic companies and CEO's will do anything to make people starve in order to keep profiting a dollar more.

I was looking at some of the stats. And I wonder what they have achieved till now. Just checked the stats from Belgium, where they now have more than 1,000 deaths per million from  COVID 19. That is, losing 0.1% of the population to the virus in 6 months. Compare this to the United States. There is no lockdown there, and the deaths per million seems to be lower than some of the European nations.

Lock downs has really affect the economy, now they are doing a 2nd lock down and this should make their economy fall, no doubt about that.
I just hope that their government has enough funds to support the people who are affected with the lock down. IMO, lockdown is necessary but not in long term, they just have to ensure that protocol are strictly implement to prevent people from scattering this deadly virus.

As they say, safety matters, but how about people dying because they can't feed their family due to being jobless, that's another thing to solve and worst nightmare than covid-19.

In this case they might gonna go on that scenario if the citizen didn't have any money left due to series of lockdown happen but this is done for betterment of all so best to follow since if everything will be in good shape after the 14 day lockdown for sure they can go back on streets and work or do their business. Life is so hard this year since we don't know on what future brings and hopefully the vaccine will came out as this year or maybe in first quarter next year.

I think countries in Europe can definitely survive from the economic downfall; even they have declared a second lockdown because they might already plan on how will save their economy from the further collapse and how they will help their citizen with their daily needs preventing the virus from spreading.

Well I'm pretty sure they have good reason for the second lockdown however their economy might also suffer hard but its Europe I believe their government has good plans to recover their economic loss in short term. Lockdowns could really economically but some governments don't have any option, its just a matter of priority.

The second lockdown policy may be expected to reduce Covid-19 infected cases but this will exacerbate the country's economic burden.  The country that announced the second lockdown must have prepared enormous foreign reserves to bear the impact of fulfill the needs of all societies.  On the society side, this will cause general anxiety for those of productive age.  Those who were supposed to work were forced to take time off and the businesses they worked for were forced to close.  How can the business survive?  and this will increase the number of unemployed if it continues for a long time.  I think this policy is less effective in handling Covid because the negative impacts are greater than the benefits.

Yes, it can.

I don't agree with lockdowns but the world has survived many epidemics. There weren't lockdowns back then but in many cases the economy practically came to a standstill.

The black death killed around 50% of the population of Europe (it is considered 30/60% depending on the author). It was devastating for the economy but the world didn't end. The same as for the Spanish flu. It killed about 10% of world population and that was on top of WWI. Do you know what happened afterwards? The roaring twenties.

The lower the low the higher the high. The problem is, during the lows many people suffer.

I think we should accept and know how to live with COVID-19, and without these lockdowns, I mean the fatality rate of this new virus are very low compared to those virus that humans encountered based on history. The virus has been in existing for about a year now, I think we can conclude that the fatality is very low, and we move forward by reopening the global economy with strict health protocols of course. And we as people should respect each other by wearing face mask/shield. I think the major concern
if countries won't be imposing lockdowns is that the current healthcare systems will get overwhelm if there would be a spike in new positive cases. Then I think there should be another solutions to this like asymptomatic person shall only be isolated from his home if live alone, or including those with mild symptons.

It is said in the article that schools are open, does it mean they are open for a physical class or just online classes? Is not risky for the students to go outside? Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's indeed hard to cope up with this since it's almost a year since this virus started to spread and they are still implementing another round of lockdown. I think most countries are now starting to recover even with the pandemic because they are now reopening businesses but with France and Germany's case, it' might be hard for them to recover. But I hope that during this another lockdown, they can stabilize the cases so there won't be another lockdown.

We have schools open for 1-4 year classes. All other older school kids and those who study in university, study online. Kinder gardens are open for kids all the time (both private and city). Same rules were during first lockdown.

Dont know what is worse, having 25-30 kids in one room with less than 2m distance, or set online classes and let these kids gather outside schools in groups or public places.

I don't think this second round will be like the first, because people now have the knowledge of preventing themselves from the virus also with the development of a possible vaccine. This will just be for a small time not too long.

First, this is not the holiday season, the holiday season in Europe from the point of view of tourism income is the summer period, this has ended and even in normal times, we wouldn't see anything close to that till Christmas. Here in Europe, we don't give much x about Halowwn or Thanks Giving like the US.

Second, there is significative difference between the previous lockdowns, they are first not as severe as the first ones, as expecting restaurants and pubs most of the things are still opened, factories are having right now methods to keep them running with enough healthcare measures which were lacking totally before and more important than this the deaths are not that serious compared to the number of infections. Europe was caught totally unprepared by the first wave, everyone was like a headless chicken running around, at this point, there is no more panic like it was. Have you seen again battles for toilet papers in chain stores? Nope.

The tragic part is that yes, there will be deaths, there will be again an economic slowdown but people knew it, unless a vaccine was found and produced in months we all knew this could happen again, but it will not be as devastating as the first wave.


The worst-case scenario for me at this point is not about lockdowns or business, the worst-case scenario is a mutation of the virus that would make it impossible for a complete vaccine and we're going to have to gamble as we do with the Influenza Vaccine (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/quadrivalent.htm) every year.

You know it'll gonna be hard if a 2nd lockdown happened. All of them will start from the bottom again and many businesses will close.

Even if they already knew the protocols, there are still many affected during lockdowns. Number one affected during lockdowns are businesses, you will not die in COVID-19 but in hunger.

It's just a matter of being immune in the virus, that's why we need to be healthier than ever so the virus will not easily spread. We need to be responsible enough in maintaining our hygiene so if we're asymptomatic there is no chance that we will spread the virus. Europe 2nd lockdown is planned and was study, but the real solution will only peoplel staying at home or being too responsible not just for ourselves but also for others.

Dying of hunger during the second lockdown is quite far-fetched for the very reason of, the second lockdown will not have the same surprise factor as the first one. Meaning, they already have the knowledge and time to have the necessary actions and preparedness for the actions they would take.


The very principle behind the lockdown is to implement strict protocols and guidelines within the affected the area. By doing so, they can monitor and control the cases in that specific area within the period of time. Ergo, your statement "new lockdowns will not reduce the number of new cases", is false and will unlike not to be the scenario in Europe. In addition, Unlike the first lockdown, I think, they already calculated the downfall in their economy, and have sufficient plan to raise it back to normal.

Lockdown will never be good from an economic point of view in my opinion. There are a lot of people who have lost their income during the lockdown and that will be a problem especially for those in the lower economy class.
A lot of businesses will be stalled because of the lockdown and I think this will have quite a big impact on the economy as it did during the first lockdown. But I hope the government can do what's best for everyone and they have to think about how the economy will live if the lockdown is put in place while continuing to reduce the incidence of infection. This is a tough task in my opinion.

Seeing that Europe's economy is still much better than Southeast Asia and Africa, of course I am optimistic that their economy
will survive in the second lockdown. Moreover, the second lockdown is not as heavy as when facing the first lockdown, because
it has begun to adapt to the effects of the corona virus. And also the planning to face the second lockdown by European countries is
definitely more mature. I believe Europe is better prepared to face a second lockdown, which is certain that any lockdown will have
a negative impact on the economy. But if done in the right way and with good preparation it will accelerate economic recovery.

The relatively low fatality rate of this virus is offset by a higher infection rate, and then the law of large numbers comes into force. But I hope no one will deny that the fatality rate of this new coronavirus is higher than that of ordinary flu. Let's hope that the new coronavirus will pose a much less danger in a few years, but for now we all need to come to terms with the unpopular decisions of the governments of the states to combat the epidemic.

Before imposing any lockdown decision then its surely that they had already think up on what are the probabilities or chances of things that might happen ahead.
They cant just make out decisions directly without minding on what would be the impact.

Lockdown can definitely affect the economy and this had been the second time around in Europe.I can say that they can somehow withstand it knowing that this isn't a
poor country when it comes to living standards.They can still able to sustain for some lockdown unlike on people living on developing or 3rd world countries
which its just really as hard if they wont have jobs to rely on.

"I’m sure by now all must have heard that Germany and France have imposed second lockdown, and this news shall crush small business owners morale, and even effect those people who rely on jobs cause it’s quiet possible that they may never be employed again.---"

Perserve my ASS just like one member had suggested.

This is just the begining of pain in the ass. i taught most media & blinded folks criticized TRUMP for not taking immediate action (which includes the association of national lock-down agreement)

As a walk through the street of rome (roma termini,vatican wall,pzza venezia.. ) i see nothing but the following symbols

( AFFITARSI o VENDERSI) meaning stores for sale or rent. These are previous store owners who are force to quit their biz

Keep believing the lock-down Perservering principles; while some folks play with your emotion & life in the name pandemic.

Is clear to us now that starvation kills faster than political virus!

Lets keep defending the lies! 


Note : Expect major lock-down to february/march 2021 if, they succeed in kickingTRUMP out from the whitehouse. Obama is one of the cheapest liar and BIDEN is the sleeping Uncle who wants to lead AMERICA into the promise land in a crucial time like this. Unfortunately, we can't see any promise on his face.

*It seems that the IMMUNE tracking app - created by Google in conjunction with Apple is completely useless!

Thanks
Soldierwitlittlefaith

Can't disagree, it will take several years for european countries to get rid of lockdown's aftermath, but thats their choice.
Look at USA, they've proceeded to open everything when it clearly was not completely safe to do so - and they did it to boost economy, because they thought or maybe still think its worth it.
European countries, on the other hand, still value people's lives over economy.

A second wave of Covid19 infections is tragic for Europe. Undoubtedly, it is sad that this is happening now in this important quarter of the year as businesses begin to accumulate their profits. The most affected will be small and medium businesses and those that need the public to generate income such as Restaurants, Cinemas, Gymnasiums among others. Businesses will have to reinvent online commerce and home delivery. This is a very difficult time for the economy in Europe that will affect everyone.

Well, the world is not ready for this pandemic in the first place let alone a second one. This will definitely hurt them but if they had formulated an economic strategy to combat the impacts of pandemic then they will be good for awhile. It will be most impactful on small businesses definitely as most of them during the first wave was not prioritized during the relief operations which is for the good because there are more working class than business class.

Unfortunately, due to today's pandemic conditions, many countries are obliged to make such decisions without thinking about such problems and preventing economic problems. My personal opinion is that even though this lockdown process will seriously damage the economy, European countries will overcome this problem, but I think that no European country's economy can handle more than this. On the other hand, I think that the side effects of these shutdowns will continue for much longer and the possible consequences will cause more damage than the pandemic process. It is unquestionably clear that we are in the period of the most serious economic crisis in the last 20 years, let alone the pandemic process.

It has been almost 8 months since the pandemic spread outside China. The governments are doing their best, but the lack of knowledge about the virus is playing a negative role here. But I would put the blame on WHO. They behaved in a very uncompetitive manner in the beginning. The director general (Tedros) was changing his stance every now and then. I am quite surprised that this guy is not fired from his position yet.

As Second wave of COVID19 spread rapidly in Europe, Govt has imposed this very strict lockdown once again. Still we're far from getting the vaccine so that would reflect on our business. Millions of stores will be shut down, the middle class and below have been left nothing for themselves but only left economical crisis around the globe.

The situation is really critical in almost all EU member states, and this is just the beginning of the second wave. What is trying to be saved with lockdowns is the health care system, which in almost all countries is falling apart and bursting in all directions, leaving even the most difficult patients without adequate help. No one would knowingly shoot themselves in the leg if there is other choice, and if you have to choose between head and foot, most will still choose the latter, no matter how painful it is.

I understand from what perspective you speak when you look at the situation in your own way, but Europeans are (in most cases) much more susceptible to deaths than Americans - although some protest in the streets and come to hospitals a few days later infected, which is a really amazing display of human stupidity.

I understand that all the actions of governments, which include strict quarantine measures, make it very difficult for doing business and for personal life, but nevertheless, no one has come up with other real and effective methods of combating coronavirus. According to the results of research by American scientists, Even those patients who acquired antibodies and recovered after a while from the disease, these antibodies have their own duration and disappear after a certain time. One way or another, the disease returns again to those who have already been ill.

This will surely Hurt their economy mate because imagine that the first lockdown that happen in each country brings disaster in their everyday living.
government are borrowing Money from other countries just to support their falling economy and their Hungry people,now there are second wave?
this only means one thing that Their fight against Virus are failure and their People are the one to blame here,not going along the rules.

They went for the first lockdown, so I believe they already knows the kind of impacts a lockdown can make. Maybe for them to go for another lockdown they might have put everything place and have better plans this time as to how to handle things. I just don’t know for them, if not that, then they are going suffer for it.

Just like my country, everybody is against a second lockdown. During the first lockdown people nearly died of hunger, especially those that are poor and doesn’t have any savings, which means they had to go out everyday to work and get money for feeding. And after the lockdown, the situation in the country is very bad now, plus people are doing protest, the cost for food and everything has increased heavily, but people’s salaries are not increasing, so how will you get through this if not by God’s grace?

Take to the streets in protest is not a wise move at this time. Even if you strongly disagree with government policy, going down the road to protest is the worst option. In the midst of a pandemic that is getting crazy, you only worsen the condition of the country. Not getting a solution to the problem that happened, it made it worse.

However, I am very confused by the conditions in Europe, why the virus spreads so fast considering the conditions in Europe are far above the average for developing countries, it is not that the people should have a higher awareness of health and the government is better prepared to handle a pandemic like this. But in fact, the spread of the virus in Europe is higher than in my developing country.

I have recently seen a pretty good graphic somewhere which actually touched upon this issue pretty nicely. This actually is like a double edged sword. There are two options that governments have:
Option 1: To let things the way they are let people suffer and maybe let 2-5% of them die and therefore safeguard the economy for once but after a year or so you would ponder upon the amount of population you have lost as it would easily be around 5% and the economy therefore would take a steep fall with such news.

Option 2: To impose lockdown and safeguard the people but hamper the economy badly as the whole circle of life stops. But this too would have larger repercussions as even if people remain inside once the economy has shattered many people with lose jobs and would then die due to stress/hunger/poverty etc.

So in both the cases, both people and economy are going to badly suffer so I think this is a matter which would have been deliberated upon by the governments before coming up with this course of action again.

We all know the negative impact of lockdowns because most people and huge companies wouldn't be able to move because of lots of restrictions. There will be a problem with supply and demand. However, since we have experienced it before, I'm sure that those countries will be able to handle the situation better than the first lockdown for they already know a few strategies to help their economy survive.

The big question is whether the lockdowns are having a great deal of impact or not on the spread of the pandemic. These lockdowns are very damaging for the economy. That's why the GDP went down by as much as 10-12% when they were in place. So if the governments are planning to re-impose the lockdowns, then they need to make sure that the damage caused to the economy remains minimal.

Ill think this will be affected the economy but there will be not to long and we hope so some businesses are still in going but this will be restricted. And yes more on that country be being employed again but Im sure they are ready for that coming. And in my opinion this will be a the best way for that country to doing second lockdown to be sure the people that would not be affected on what happens now.

It is not all European countries that have economy that can renounce easily after the covid-19. The countries that are being affected by the second wave will be economically badly hit because while other countries are rebuilding their economy, the affected countries are still shut down,  so it is going to affect Europe more.

Yes it can survive even the third world countries did after having lockdowns too. We know that most country in the europe are rich so there is no problem with that if we will be talking about their economy. However, the goverment ca actually lift it if they wanted their economy to grow. Here in our place the government decide to open almost all of the business sectors except for education because we cannot survive if lockdown keep us not getting to get opportunity to earn and survive.

because of many consequences, it is probably not only in their place that it will happen if its trunk is not cut off, I mean, if we thinking about the root of this scenario it is historically proven that poverty seems to be like more severe today. Which is compared then to the previous event that has already taken place in the world. The second lockdown will be even more difficult once the government budget for people affected is constantly decreased rapidly, and mainly the closure of companies. Through the impact of hard-headed people who do not comply with protocols, basically, not only in Europe, I think it will take a long time to heal but I believe that we are all surviving with these tests.

The second lockdown will worsen the pace of the micro-economy, this action have been carefully considered by the government to reduce the health impact even death. In general, in some countries the lockdown is applied for two weeks or even more for countries that are badly affected by this pandemic With the arrangement and preparation for the lockdown, economic will be able to survive that long.. I think people health is more important than thinking about the economic impact and even the forecast of recovery.

considering what i experienced in the first lockdown?damn this will be so much harder for the country to have second because for sure there are many people that will not do it again and this will cause radical actions.

Its really insane being inside the house for week or more,doing nothing and having nothing because of no work no pay.

France's second lockdown will restrict people to their homes until at least December 1.
 No wonder why people flee the city and for them who don't have any other choice but to stay are not in doom, they still can go to work, school, and shopping for essential things. Well, the government and citizens have learned from the first lockdown what they have to do and don't. So, as long as they can reduce the number of people infected with the corona, it will be better for future economic growth rather than having to deal with many deaths due to this pandemic.

Worse? Oh boy! There are so many ideas of how our beloved Earth will be broken down into pieces right now. However, despite of all the misfortunes happening not only happening in Europe but for the rest of the world, I choose to stay positive live the day like these things are not existing. Mind over matter indeed :D, just be optimistic and you will attract good vibes eventually.

Anyway, gong back to the topic, I don't feel that Europe will suffer very hard as their second lockdown approaching. Germany and France are developed countries already. We can expect that they can sustain longer times of quarantine with a minimal change in the quality of life. Don't get me wrong guys, I am not discounting what they are going through right now. But try to compare their situation to the situation of people in some portion of Asia where pandemic and disastrous calamities are currently occuring.

I'm sure they must have thought well about it before it was declared, europe is an advanced country. There are just certain things that needs to be done by priority. Why did they declare the lockdown? When they discovered that the rate of death by COVID-19 has skyrocketed again, they cannot leave people to be dying and be considering the economy alone, who are the economy meant for?I support they save the life of citizens first and the economy will sort itself later.

the countries that are on the topic are well developed countries and its only on thier second lockdown . thats not too much compare to other countries that are already imposed a third and more lockdowns and take note that these countries are more poorer or underdeveloped and the best part is that they dont worry , you can rarely hear thier voice doing complaints  .

what can they do with that if thats the order of the higher court ? lockdowns are not bad but its also thier consequence for not following protocols  .

So sad to hear this news. I'm sure this will affect more in their economy which is slowly getting back into place when the first lockdown was implemented.  However, I believe that the economy will survive and probably they already learned a lot from the first wave of covid -19 and I hope that they are more smarter now in dealing with economic crisis as well as containing the virus from rapid spreading. This might be hard for the Government of these countries but I strongly believe that they will make it through by using their past experiences, to do their best this time.
After all, its the lives of the people that matters over the economy. Besides, European Countries have unlimited resources, they can give assistance and help their countrymen in any ways possible.

Chaos will ensue, not only those who lose their jobs because at least with the demonstrations and the looting of the shop, it certainly makes the situation more chaotic. Instead of stopping the spread of the virus, it will only make the spread of the virus faster but strangely enough, so far I don't know whether the demonstrators have had complaints of being exposed to Covid-19 or not.

This is really a catastrophic that happens in the world. The first world countries in Europe will gradually turn down because of lockdown. Many people will lose some of their jobs and poverty may arise. I hope that this pandemic will end already because every lives have been affected by Covid-19. This will kill millions of people because of hunger. The 2020 is almost to end but there is still no chance for this pandemic to end up. It is really sad and chaotic.

I have friends there in United Kingdom and I hope they are okay despite the month-long lockdown. What I am not impressed about their lockdown measures is that when restaurants are forced to be closed, schools, universities and parks remain open.

I just don’t understand why they keep opening schools, universities and parks during the lockdown where it’s not suppose to be. It would contribute even more to the sharp increase of COVID-19 cases there.

Why don’t they just switch to online or modular learning? I’m sure it will help lessen the cases.

This is what the Philippines is doing now. Despite that tourist activities are slowly resuming, the country is more prepared than in the past few months. During the early times of COVID-19 here in the country, I was locked down for 2 months and not being able to go out of my house since only my dad has a quarantine pass to go out and buy essential goods as he’s the head of the family.

After that, we are allowed to go out like we used to, but not for leisure purposes (with the exception of coffee shops like Starbucks and Coffee Bean lol) but may need to wear masks, face shield, maintain physical distancing and proper hygiene.

I think UK and the rest of the European countries should start swallow their pride and learn from those countries like Taiwan who successfully contained COVID and not having a local transmission for like 2 months already. 

They might have learnt some lessons and gained experience from the way the first wave of the pandemic and how it was curtailed, and they knew the consequences of embarking on total lockdown to their economies for example football leagues was allowed to go on in empty stadia in this period unlike during the first wave when all sporting activities was put on hold, also partial or tiers of lockdown was imposed in some of the European countries, I believed this present lockdown will be well managed to forestall it devastating impact on the economy.
The lasting solution to this  problem is vaccine, once it is produced things will go back to normal economy will improve,  job lost will be reclaimed.

I saw the article few weeks ago that make me feel for the citizens of Germany for the second lockdown their government are about to announce. With what the pandemic has caused to their economy negatively during the first lockdown. I don't think the government of France and Germany will do their possible best to make sure there is solution.
Many investors loss so much profit From their investment due to the lockdown that was on ground over 7 months, which many of them are finding it difficult to do well in their businesse. Some just coming up base on what the first lockdown has caused to their investment that is making the citizens pray to God not to allow second lockdown happen. If the government announce second lockdown,it will totally collapse the economy of the country which they are just recovering from the first lockdown that happened to their economy

I don't mind people protesting, anytime and anywhere - but then these same people shouldn't seek medical help when they get infected - let them stay home and cure themselves of a virus they consider harmless. These are people who have 0% empathy for others, who want to live as before and don't care if 100 or 10 000 people die tomorrow.


The virus has mutated and is now xx times more contagious than in the first wave, and considering that it is autumn and that people are staying more and more indoors we have a real explosion of infection. There is no difference between developed and underdeveloped countries when it comes to spreading the disease, it's just about how responsible people are, and a good part of the EU population behaves very irresponsibly - they don't wear masks, they don't disinfect their hands, they don't keep social distance - and in addition, they tell others that the virus is just a fabrication.

With all this, the EU is completely divided on how to curb the virus, there are no common measures and the whole thing is completely out of control - if there is no effective vaccine soon, what happened in Italy last winter will happen in most EU countries.

There is no other way to lock down because in fact that way can break the chain of spreading the covid virus, but it is very unfortunate that many people ignore it by not implementing health protocols, even though there are many people who are willing to lose their jobs because of the impact of the spread of the virus that is not has not subsided, many countries are still affected by this spread and hopefully this disaster will be quickly over so we can breathe fresh air again.

I believe of both countries can handle that crisis and they are equipped to overcome those obstacles. Having second lockdown of such countries it only shows we are still not winning of this pandemic because strict protocol countries like France and Germany are still vulnerable of virus. That's why we must not be complacent at all times and stay vigilant all the times, we may flattening the curve but it doesn't mean corona virus is gone. Until we don't have the vaccine  we are still vulnerable.

All are vulnerable to this viruses it is up for us whether we can stand against the virus or not. Means that it is our immune system that can get us to win against the virus. The records that has been showing by the WHO are just only part of the whole population that has been affected by the virus but few of them are really getting sick after affected by the virus. So, in order to combat the virus we have to strengthen out immune sytem. The transmision of the saif virus is difficult to stop because it is highly contageous.

Europe's second lockdown will hurt the economy even more. Before the second wave of the Corona arrives there is a hint of a recession in the economy across Europe meanwhile the pace of GDP growth has accelerated to a negative trend. Economists have warned that a lot of wood will have to be burned to turn around this fragile situation. But Europe's central bank says it is ready to deal with the recession with all kinds of defenses. Europe's economic recovery is declining faster than expected the next wave will be worse.

I believe their economy will be able to survive...
Europe has a society that has a forward mindset, unlike developing countries which have a stubborn society. and also the political situation in European countries is very good so that the second lockdown will definitely not have a bad effect on their economies.

I couldn't agree more, they deserve it. However, I believe it will not happen if they remain to take to the street in protest and they infected, they aren't worth getting medical help. They are not even worthy of being considered social beings, staying away from them is the right step to distance themselves from the spread of the pandemic which is getting crazy. But, we are just talking about the possibility.


Hopefully, this lockdown policy can run effectively so that the worst possibility like Italy will not happen, and the most important thing in handling this problem is a cooperation between the community and the government. The success of this policy is very unlikely without public awareness. Because the real proof of this success is the New Zealand country, the government continues to make a heart-to-heart communication approach to its society so that it complies with the policies that have been made, and societies also stand together to fight the pandemic by obeying all the policies that have been implemented.

Probably they can survive that, if they survived the first, they can still overcome it. We all know most of the countries in Europe do have a good state of economy compared to those countries which are under developed.

I think they will experience struggle but they will overcome it easily.

Covid-19 is getting weaker nowadays, I don't know how and I don't know why, I just feel it.

Here in our country, although our economy is not that good and the governments are irresponsible to take some actions regarding this pandemic. They have a confident mindset that Covid-19 is really weak, that's why most of the businesses here are operating slowly, day by day, so that we can somehow control the economic crisis.

The biggest thing that strikes me about the general lockdown situation is it must restrict and effect the service sector worst of all.   Its a problem as many western countries have developed past basic industries to rely on too much of a service, entertainment and other non essential business.   Of course we cant have people dying for the sake of unneeded parties and similar, its not an option to ignore possible deaths from staying open and to do so would cause deaths in other required industries that cannot be halted.
    The simple conclusion is light weight business will suffer far more then large operations that can be automated and maintain a distance while producing efficiency, on top of that small business seems likely to struggle.

But the history says, when we are hit by the pandemic a century earlier people survived in the first but second wave costs huge amount of lives and did damage a lot than the first one.Yes humanity will survive for sure but how much people are going to lose their life if there is another wave? Still vaccines are not created for the world population and it may take at least one more year from now.

The first lockdown has already killed many small business and many shut their business and now if they lock everything once again it will cause irreparable damage as many will be left jobless including small business owners and what the government could do to help them is still not known and i do not think the government will do anything to help these small businesses.

The possibility that the government will do to overcome this is by using a social safety net, this is a policy that the government can do by providing loan relief, and providing cash assistance to societies and businesses to stay afloat, and accelerating government projects to open employment and employment opportunities. can absorb unemployment immediately. Funds for this can all be taken from the state budget or with additional state debt. This is why governments in European countries have predicted that sovereign debt will increase.

Still not solution with how to stop pandemic although keep lock down for one months and after opening lock down will get the same condition, repeat the same cases and happen for one year later if not find vaccine for this virus. More than ten months after pandemic first time found in Wuhan China still not get medicine how to stop this virus and back new normal era without stay at home always. My country cases every day the victims are always increasing more than 600 people too 1000 people without have solution to stop this virus, just discussing only with government to stay at home and keep away from the crowd.

Economy is not really what we should be caring about, it should be health and surviving the lockdown without dying, but for some reason people care about their money more than they care about their life.

The only reason why there could be a second lockdown in Europe is the fact that there are more people getting sick and there are more people who are dying and we are here talking about how economy could survive this, I do not care about economy or how horrible life gets as long as we can save human lives, that is what the priority should always be. What is the other option? Just keep everywhere open so that economy could be booming and recovering like crazy while also letting people die? That is not an option that is a massacare and I would rather not have that option.

The shock value of the pandemic is reduced now, many industries have adjusted, an economic collapse similar to March 2020 is unlikely at this point, things might change if infection rates worsen...

Meanwhile, most businesses are making permanent adjustments to enable remote work, which is a good thing for both workers and employers independent of how the situation evolves...

It's really bad for Europe currently. I can't believe that the second wave has hit them. The only thing they have right now is the previous experience. But most of all, people have to raise their understanding before this pandemic. As far as I know, Western people do not like to be imposed with new laws and regulations. They act arbitrarily without noticing that they might be infected with the virus. I guess the government needs to be more strict so as to force people to obey new rules. Only that way may stop the virus once and for all

Vaccines are coming to our town. Scientists and doctors from all over the world are trying their best to create a cure for this pandemic. Work from home is the best option right now. Stay home with your kids. Don't go around. Don't make crowd with other people

This spring, there was still a faint hope that the virus would end its rampant activity by summer and disappear like a terrible nightmare in the Sands of time by summer. But autumn came and the second wave of the epidemic came, which clearly indicates to us that a new soldier has appeared in the regiment of annual acute viral infections and flu strains, which will now come like the flu every year and can only be relatively neutralized by mass vaccination or a large number of people who have been ill in the population and have developed immunity. I'm afraid to make a mistake, but everything is coming to the fact that this is the scenario of our life for the next few years.

It seems to me that if everything goes further and the EU States can not cope with the second wave normally, then Brexit, which was a precident of the global scale, will become commonplace.
And as a result, the EU will remain a handful of poor countries like Greece and one and a half leading countries that will continue to try to keep it all in some order.
The EU has outlived itself as a political model precisely because every year this organizational structure took on more and more rights and powers than it once turned the economic Union into a kind of prototype of a super-state (or a quasi-Communist USSR 2.0, as you like).

Shall what ever that have advantage also has disadvantage, but from the looks of things that brings economy down is war and inability of management, emphasising or pointing at lockdown via minor problems can't over regulate economy of a country to the extend bringing it down, the only thing i note, is that lockdown can only make less privileges suffer, because of lacks of eatable item's, but the processe of eliminating economy due to lockdown is not really ideal from my views and it's impossible.

The government look to be unserious about the solution or permanent cure to this killing people in different country. So many news about cure in the vaccine production but yet not released for people to get freedom from the virus. Many blame games are going on instead of focus in finding cure. Lockdown is just not working because no cure to administer to people that are affected, it will still spread if economy open.

This time the second lockdown is actually unexpected for us. The lockdown has caused a lot of damage to our economy. Europe is currently one of the most developed countries. They may be able to recover from the lockdown but their economy will suffer a lot. Many sectors of the economy will collapse. But the situation of underdeveloped countries will get worse. Their economy will almost be destroyed. even if Europe can survive the lockdown, Underdeveloped countries will not be able to survive

I feel like holiday season is the best season to have a pandemic isn't it? We had one during summer and we barely survived that, there were over a million dead so I don't know if we could count that as survive but at least it happened and now we moved over. During holidays you sure do get some gifts from some shops and you need to buy some food to cook etc etc so there is some shopping outside included but isn't all of these things happen at home?

Thanksgiving is usually at home, Christmas is at home, even new years could be at home, and that is what we need right now to get better right? Staying at home? Sure maybe business' could get affected if they are mom and pop brick and mortar but in general scheme of things people will still buy the turkey and the gift and so forth, not like we are giving up on the holidays.

2020 is really a very tough year, even this is a year that teaches us to live accustomed to a pandemic.  We have to prepare for the worst conditions who knows how long it will end.  Not only Europe, almost all countries are severely affected by this pandemic.

Not only Europe experiencing economic difficulties because of covid 19 pandemic. But people are brave and wise, they can find other way to survive despite of this difficulties. I believe everything well be fine and every country well recover no matter how long this pandemic will end. Because as long as people live, everyone will find ways to survive together with the economy.

The greatest issue with lockdowns is how they reduce economic activity, this should not be that big of an issue if countries had a very low debt to GDP ratio but many countries are in a very bad shape, they are getting less taxes and printing more money than ever in a time when people are losing their jobs and a great deal of those jobs is never coming back, if this continues the economic crisis that is brewing is going to be many times worse than the pandemic and I do not know how long can people endure another lockdown when their finances have been now strained for months.

When we say the economy cannot survive what does it mean? What's the worst that can happen to a locked country? Some businesses will be close to bankruptcy and demand support from the government. Some will go bankrupt and be bought out by the competition. There's a lot of people who have the money to invest. Maybe some of them will be the new class of Bitcoin billionaires?


What? Not survived meaning what? They went bankrupt? Which countries? ;D Are you on something?

Maybe countries like France and Germany can survive the second lockdown, although not without consequences, but many other European countries that wouldn't be possible, their economies just wouldn't survive. Even from the help from European recovery and resilience funds that wouldn't be feasible anymore. That is why they are trying to balance between pandemic and keeping business and everyday running. We'll see for how long they will manage to do that.

Exactly, recession is at hand for some of the European countries in the list, it would be great if other countries can help them but with the current state of the whole world, this will very be unlikely. Worst case scenario will be their succumbing to either the dollar or the Chinese Yuan, as their currency will slowly depreciate in value, this along with the increased volume of immigrants will be the downfall of many countries, not just strictly inclusive to European ones.

Yes year of 2020 has started some troubles in our world and now worst case scenario is this pandemic happen many business affected and not only businesses many of us in here are losing a job. And now we heard again that would make a second lockdown in europe and Ill think that was a good Idea for me to prevent the virus spread all over. And the economy will down for now but if the lockdown will end I think it gonna back again to normal.

They will probably survive,

Since this is their second lockdown, they know at least what they need to do. Unlike in the first lockdown where everyone is really waiting for advise from the government on what everyone should do in times like this.

For sure, they will. Don't think that lockdown will be forever and will not make their own ways to survive. We are not in the age where resources are not available to humanity. Many people around the world have bigger problems than them, so I'm not really worried about their situation.

The second lockdown will be the last one for sure even there's another wave. They should take the first lockdown as a lesson. It's no secret that when the number of confirmed cases in the region slows down, lots of people become comfortable and relax. There are strict health protocols but at some point, it hasn't followed in some cases due to the thinking that virus spread is now being slow down.

The last lockdown - the success of it will depend on their new adjustments.

@chaser15 now Greece too has announced a second lockdown, and I personally feel that they only have themselves to blame for this lockdown, because in their bid to earn money from tourists, they ended up getting more covid cases. Furthermore analysts also believe that Greece’s economy will tank for now, but if everything remains open next year then it’s quiet possible that their economy might rebound to a certain extent.

Sources:

https://apnews.com/article/greece-imposes-virus-lockdown-14c94c700513fc16dfdb26137542e6df

https://www.thenationalherald.com/greece_economy/arthro/report_greek_economy_to_contract_by_9_0_this_year_grow_by_5_0_in_2021-1147750/

https://www.thenationalherald.com/greece_economy/arthro/tourists_to_greece_brought_covid_19_but_not_revenues-615661/

We humans have this ability to easily adapt to changes including difficulties that comes with it. The last time we had the first experience, it was unforseen situations that led everyone panic. Just like saying there is man made virus without cure that's capable of ending the world, it was that fear of contacting the virus made every country to locked down their state and borders to avoid outsiders and immigrants from bringing in the virus ( epidemic virus).
It's no longer new to us, with proper prevention and early cure, it can be cub from ones system and I believe from this  experience, government of countries will have budget for this kind of future problems.

Ps: There will be a limit to lab works especially when they comtain virus and harmful chemicals. Lebanon explosion came to my mind.

The European economy after the lockdown will not be as normal as before, because this second lockdown has an increasingly severe economic impact.  Unemployment will be higher, but the productive age will continue to increase.  When companies reduce their workforce, at the same time the number of fresh graduates increases, adding to the existing unemployment list.  European economy will not be as good as before, even now all countries across Europe have prepared the worst scenario in their economy.  They have predicted that this will increase the country's debt.  This is a signal that their economy is not doing well.

@dady12,

"......European countries, on the other hand, still value people's lives over economy...."

Honestly i get piss-off whenever i come across this kind of comment
well, it seems good & appealing to our hearing but, its not because this is what they want us to believe.

I also believe that you can  see the number of businesses that are closing-up in your location? this is financial/economic-virus in action
If they actually value your live, 365 days is sufficient for all the doctors around the globe to come-up with something while awaiting the vaccine bomb!

well,26 years plus i never had any serious health problem i don't know what is takes to spend a night or more at the sick bed except for some working medical test.

My mother said breast-feeded me uptil the age of 3 maybe this could be the reason why my blood is immune to most of these diseases.howver, i think this a good news to nursing mother instead of preserving their breast in order to look very SEXY.

Pls, apply the natural God-given vaccine to your baby at the early stage because it will save you thousand if, not millions on medications.

I'm not really happy with what is happening in our society today also, i think  there are lot of political interest. Just like they've always hide behind any problem that needs urgent intervention.

I'm sorry if, anybody gets offended by comment. Years back i lost my only sister due to illness. i think she & my mother have same blood group. so, i also know what it means  to lost a beloved one. we should not take advantage of the current situation to create & spread fear in the heart of people.


Note : i have litrary reach out one-one to help both elderly & young people in midst of some nasty situation. some just see this as an opportunity to abandone or keep a distance from elderly people

Regards
Soldierwitlittlefaith

The plan for raising the economy there didn't go as a plan or maybe a lack of preparations. They think it's enough to follow health protocols but without strict implementation, it will be useless. Not to blame only the government but their people itself.

During the lockdown, tourists are not permitted, right? I don't know about Greece but they still allow tourist visits during the lockdown? Or when they lifted it, they just decide to promote tourism right away because they think it's now safe.

Not only your news, the bad news that I've gotten recently is the involvement of Grayscale, MicroStrategy, Square, ... investing in bitcoin to HOLD!
this shows that they indirectly commented on the general economy that is cracking every day. According to some reputable newspapers, the reason is that they fear the Dollar and many other currencies will suffer heavy inflation in the following years.
therefore we should also be careful when investing in stocks or gold, we don't know in advance what will happen. I really have a very bad feeling about the financial markets as well as the general economy of the world.

yeah right, we can't just blame the government.  Cooperation between government and society is needed.  When the lockdown policy is enforced, we should comply with the policy, not only comply with health protocols, we can also remind our families and people around us to comply with applicable regulations.  The government also has to make very strict and well-planned regulations, not decisions that are rash, or decisions that are not well prepared.  Because 1 wrong decision in this pandemic could make the country continue to fall into the future.

If the lockdown continue for long time then large number of people will face economical crisis badly. During first lockdown period most of the top richest people have done well with their net worth. I have read this at many news paper and article. You can check this article (https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-net-worth-increases-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7) about it. In my opinion only middle and lower class people will suffer much for the lockdown. But it may not affect like previous lockdown. Employer will loss their job and they will face big economical problem, businessman may survive nicely as they have gained good experience from first lockdown.

Nothing is permanent in this world. We must endure whatever the pandemic brings us. I believe this will end soon and all will be fine and things will be back to normal and for better we have learned our lessons. These lockdowns are needed for the majority. I know how it is hard to survive especially for those small business owners . Me myself have encountered those and thankfully i have overcome this with my family. So we don't need to give up. Fight until we see the good end.

^ hold on, this is all we need to do. This second lockdown will not starve those in Europe. In the first lockdown, it seems that European countries are not ready, but in the second lockdown, I believe they are more prepared.

This second lockdown seems not to be discussed too much because several countries have considered Covid 19 to be a common disease. Just see, currently, Saudi Arabia has opened their country to Muslims who will carry out the pilgrimage there.

I think results of European lock downs are already showing. Covid-19 is not spreading as fast as did only a week ago. Big question is if countries will be able to tackle covid-19 as they did in the first wave. Or all they will be able to achieve will be just to prevent catastrophe.

It depends on what is considered a long time. There are serious concerns that the second lockdown with different variations may last the entire current winter season, when constant partial easing of restrictions will alternate with subsequent tightening of restrictions, unless there is something breakthrough in the production of the vaccine and rapid total vaccination of the population.And some experience from the first wave may not always be a good helper, because now the time of the second wave will be longer.

I have the opinion that a second lockdown in Europe will not destroy the economy, The government in Europe should be better prepared
to face a second lockdown. There must be several steps taken so that the second lockdown will not have a bad impact on the economy.
Then Germany and France which have imposed a second lockdown, including countries with a fairly good economy, so I believe that once
the lockdown ends the economic recovery will be rapid. So don't worry too much about this second lockdown, I am optimistic that the economy
in Europe will survive.

By the first wave of spreading people have got affected, and they're ready to accept and move forward. In terms of finance and health people have been highly affected, but the survival gives them more strength to go further. Even now the worst part, at certain locations people aren't ready to wear mask and follow safety measures. Second wave won't have big impact as the first one in terms of lives and economic crash.

Everyone can always get back to their feet. This pandemic is not forever. People will always find their ways to survive and recover from any crisis. Another test in humanity, where people learn a lot of lessons in life during this lockdown, whether financial or survival strategies. Now, we can appreciate those preppers and how they are fully prepared on this type of crisis.

They got used to it after the first one and they now know what to do. We were all scared like it's the start of the end of the world where we all are going to kill each other to survive. When I first heard people are looting stores, I bought some barbwires but then I realized overreacting is more dangerous. I'm sure they all have learned their lesson since the first lockdown.  

Europe will survive. They are not going to entirely lockdown anyway, probably just streets or villages where there are infected people. If I was from there, I'd probably prepare dried fish, bread flour, and rice.

That is not true, look at the previous world power nations; they are in the above of the ladder or the socioeconomic status in terms of countries but they failed to sustain their economy and it is the reason why they been demoted and been replace by other countries. Economy can collapse through war, terrorist attack, rioting and also in pandemic, Europe is one of the richest continent and most of the countries there have good governance so there is high possibility that they can so a second lockdown in order to reverse the epidemic growth. I'm sure that every country in Europe have a task force wherein they are focusing to suppress the cities by doing lockdown in order to prevent the growth of the person who are infected with the virus. The good thing is the virus will stop growing during lockdown but the bad thing is many businesses will be force to close down.

Obviously the pandemic is not going to last forever. But we need to understand that a lot of people are facing joblessness and poverty as a result of this pandemic. The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 lasted for more than two years. If COVID 19 turns out similar to that one, then we will be in a lot of trouble. The economy can't handle another year of downturn. Even the richest countries will face financial issues.

The lockdown or not has also made the people's economy difficult,
because businesses cannot develop, and only home businesses are now survive,
if you talk about survival, for people to survive in this pandemic, they certainly have to fight hard, and for the country too,
because of imports and export is now difficult to do.

The whole world is shaking by this pandemic. To avoid any worst situation there should be a long-term plan. But I am not seeing any of these from any country. We are already facing a side effect of the situation. So govt should take a long-term plans ahead to fill the loss that has been taken due to COVID-19 or our economy will face a much worst situation even Covid-19 gone.

The first lockdown which many countries of the world really experienced hell over 8 month. Many investors loss their profit during the period that also shak the economy of some countries that is making the government to do everything possible to fix it back to make them start working as usual.
Since Bitcoin is legalized in this two countries France and Germanyand most of their youths are into bitcoin investment which they are about to enter second lockdown because of the killing of the corona virus, which is making the business men and women not to trade in the country. 

I think that in this situation it is necessary to make a choice, or save people, or save the economy. But if the government of the country is worried only about the economy, then they will lose a significant part of their people. In order to work to save the economy, there must be strict control over the current restrictions, since people do not always adhere to the rules of personal protection and the restrictions imposed, because this is what is causing the second wave of the pandemic.

It is probably just a figure of speech as it is obvious no country will fall to ruin completely because of a lockdown, however it is also true that new lockdowns will put a great strain on the finances of everyone including governments, businesses and people in general, at some point governments will have to take a very difficult decision, do they keep encouraging people to lockdown on their homes or they allow them to go out and work knowing the virus is still there despite any precautions they may take?

Well i think lockdown is not good for ecoonmy of any country. If i talk about Asian countries there are several peoples who are not living with the good manner, they dont have proper job, food, houses and other utilities and their government is also not much supporting them like European countries. Developing countries some how manage it but under development countries cannot bear the full lockdown. I just heard that covid medicine launched by a reputed medical firm, i hope we can finght with covid in near future.

Lockdown can be a cause to a death of certain economy because the foreign investors will withdraw their investments and they will re-invest it in countries that have now lockdown. I thought that Europe have a good way handling the pandemic because there are certain countries who did not impose travel ban but I found out that I'm wrong because they are also having hard situation in order to control and prevent the virus spreading in different communities and right now they are in lockdown again. For sure many people lose their job again but it will bring positive in a way where the infection rate will decrease and their lives will comeback like before. 

really in my mind I only think about the most negative things about their future economy. Lockdowns are actually a very wrong way to tackle this pandemic.
Why don't we live with viruses and continue to work to make money? we should become more conscious of working with common communities, so that diseases will spread less, and especially our economies as normal.
This time lockdown may cause the economies of Germany and France to collapse soon and surely people must live in a period of poverty!

People will really worry regarding this kinds of news since its not only small businesses that is being affected and being directly affected by the lock down is really worrying. Work during Lock down is sometimes idle since there would only be a few people working however if the government would implement necessary steps to mitigate the effects of the virus. It would also be beneficial to some companies to create an environment in which their employees would have a safe environment like a bubble.

Lockdowns is very difficult to everyone and everything is being affected not only everyones needs but also the economy. Europe is one of a developing country and I believe that this country will survive economic problem even they have lockdowns again for s second time caused by covid pandemic. If other small country survived, Europe will survived too.

I do not understand why they cannot come up with a solution because now it is a long time since the virus is there and there should be better policies like enforcing masks and sanitizers as not recommended but compulsory and if proper distance and hygiene is maintained there is no way the virus can affect anyone and if even slight numbers increase it can be managed and it would be way better than locking people down and kill them by starvation.

There needs to be better and smarter decisions taken if they want to actually fight the virus because hiding is not the solution instead protect yourself and work might be the way to go in coming time. Just locking down people is like hiding from the virus.

There is no long-term solution frankly speaking and the government are just tackling the situation as it comes to them because no one can predict when the pandemic will slow down or end. The only long term and firm solution is a working vaccine which is as rare as the chances of Trump winning the elections after losing on votes count.

I don't think anyone can afford lockdowns and shutdowns but the situation demands it and we cannot deny the fact that without lockdowns the death/spread rate for this virus goes absurd numbers.

There are countries who succeed with the lock down process. A lock down is tolerable but a second one could be something more devastating to the economy. It is indeed needed because governments were left no other choice but to do so  the consequences will be suffered by the economy. Some people will say people are already aware of the do's and dont's so the second wave will not be that much, but the reality is that it could still be because there will be quite of a "restart" especially with businesses and economies just starting to recover from the previous "stop".

There is absolutely no other way to handle the problem and we might criticize the local government for their lock-downs but the reality we must familiarize with is that there is no other way to stop the virus from spreading.

Because not everyone follows the guidelines and a small breach can lead to abysmal number of cases within a short period of time. If somehow there is a public gathering and singe guy was infected now chances are everyone involved will now be infected.

The best way to overcome the problem was self control and self discipline but that can't be expected from the whole country.

The first wave of the pandemic began at the end of the cold season and safely declined with the onset of summer and rising temperatures. The second wave began when a new cold season started again and now there is no hope for a quick start of a hot summer and the incidence will continue to grow for some time and only then we will reach a plateau where the growth of the number of cases will be stabilized. Let's hope that this will happen soon, because the real results of vaccination in the best case will be only by the end of the calendar winter. And the stabilization of the increase in the incidence of diseases will allow the authorities of countries not to tighten the quarantine conditions, but even to soften them.

I think that what we are seeing right now is that many investors are preferring to stay on the sidelines and prefer not to commit, politicians all over the world do not really know what they are doing, one day they do one thing and then the next day they do the opposite, not only this confuses people this confuses the markets as well, and while the markets have recovered since the pandemic began that does not mean the economy in itself has done so, so those that invest and create jobs prefer to not do anything at the moment until things get clearer which is I think the best option they have at the moment.

Yes of course, Europe is first world country they can provide everything in their whole country there's not  doubt that they can actually surpass this pandemic y, yes it will affect their economy but unlike the 3rd world country they can make it back to normal in about a year or half of it.

We already have an effective vaccine for this virus and what we need to do now is wait for the mass production of this. I don't know how long will we wait but Pfizer is a great and big company and I think 2021 would be the end of this suffering. The bad thing about our country though is that our economy is getting worse as we are bombarded by storms in these past weeks. This is turning to be bad, there are still a lot of places covered in mud and flood, what year.

They will surely survive with the second lockdown the government has impose to them,to tackle the spreading of the virus in the country.many countries think they cannot survive
 just because what the country experience during the first lockdown which caused so many countries of the world experience failure in their economy.  With the strategies the government of Germany and France has put in place show that they will not experience hardship with this second lockdown which has been announced by the government.
I think Europe will survive, this second lockdown since the government has demand for more money to be print to make sure every citizens live well in this second lockdown in the country.

Earlier, humanity experienced and much more terrible epidemic.  The coronavirus, compared to the plague epidemic in Europe in the Middle Ages, is just a mild cold.  The coronavirus pandemic not so scary.  Relatively few people die from it.  More often they actually die from other diseases that have been complicated by the coronavirus.  Much more damage is caused by the unprecedented quarantine measures to combat the coronavirus.  Therefore, the people are increasingly responding with massive protests to tough quarantine measures.

In Europe, they imposed second phase of lockdown so that it can't spread a lot. In compared to US, government is trying to reopen the economy slowly. That is the difference between Europe and America. In Europe, they would like to consider themselves as European which can't established by any other regional organization in the past. So they care for themselves. I believe that after getting vaccine for coronavirus, they will continue their economy and obviously it is a tough time for all, so do them.

While it is true that this pandemic is not as bad as the black plague at the same time the world is not as it was back then, the world in which we live now is interconnected and a pandemic in these days can move from one side of the world to the other in a matter of months and this also means that what happens in one side of the world affects the other and when you take into account that the economy is not as strong as governments want us to believe this explains why even if the pandemic is not as bad as we believed it could be it is still affecting the world in a profound way.

It's sad to hear that kind of a news, but i'm sure Europe and France can still cope with this.They imposed second lockdown to prevent the spread of the virus, to control the problem before everything turns into another tragic that many people might possible die. Of course it may surely affect their economy and the businesses but i think their government seen that this is the best thing to do for them. It's just sad to think that holiday season is coming and yet we are still battling in this intense opponent, silent killer that we can never been seen.

The introduction of new restrictions related to Covid-19 in France and Germany is a very unpleasant event.

In March 2020, I considered several scenarios for the development of events.  The most optimistic scenario is the complete end of the pandemic in three months.

However, this did not happen.  For small businesses, this situation is fatal.  People seem to be taught to think that their real incomes have decreased forever.  After a pandemic, we will no longer be able to return to our previous way of life. 

At the same time, remote work, digitalization, and restrictions on human rights have come to our world.

The economic downturn in Europe began during the Corona period. No more wasting time with that in mind efforts are being made to increase tourism by opening the border. So that the economy can turn around quickly. Various tourist centers have also been opened everyone has been asked to keep an eye on him so that he maintains social distance. not careful the second wave of corona virus may come to the country. Then everything has to stop again everything goes off for the second time will be difficult for Europe to deal economically.

I think the second lockdown will be strong, but not the same as the first one, since the economy has not yet warmed up properly.
In any case, Europe and the whole world had a summer, during which it was necessary to improve health systems based on the mistakes of the first wave. Whether it worked or not, we will soon find out.

Nonetheless not answer with learn how to cease pandemic though maintain lock down for one months and after opening lock down will get the identical situation, repeat the identical instances and occur for one 12 months later if not discover vaccine for this virus. Greater than ten months after pandemic first time present in Wuhan China nonetheless not get medication learn how to cease this virus and again new regular period with out keep at residence all the time. My nation instances day-after-day the victims are all the time rising greater than 600 individuals too 1000 individuals with out have answer to cease this virus, simply discussing solely with authorities to remain at residence and steer clear of the gang.

It is obvious that after such a large event like a pandemic the world has changed but unfortunately it is not for the better, especially when it comes to our human rights, governments are taking advantage of the situation created by the pandemic and criminalizing their citizens for minor misbehaviours and that is simply not right, but people are so paranoid right now about the pandemic that they are willing to accept anything as long as it means that the pandemic does not spread as fast as before.

    In the midst of the crisis everything is dark. But humanity has repeatedly shown that it can be maintained citizens will find new and creative ways of living with the virus. In the long run the strategy and the preservation a kind of fast test system. There are many problems facing the world nowadays. The government is planning a second lockdown and setting a budget for the people who will be affected by the second lockdown.Even if lockdown there are businesses that can make online transactions and investors.What we really need now during the pandemic is collaboration of people.

Yes I think the government has failed in the fight to protect the people and provide adequate vaccine and health care against this covid-19. The virus keep increasing because people get infected. People should learn to help themselves, in food and shelter and not to associate physical with people for now, keeping to the covid-19 avoidance protocol will help stay out of covid-19.

Second lockdown over Germany and France would surely have a negative impact to both countries economy. As we all know, the two countries aforementioned rely mostly on the tourism industry. During the first lockdown, European countries suffered so much due to travel restrictions because of limited number of tourists going in and out of their countries. Now that the new covid strain is spreading around the globe like the earlier strains, second lockdown is implemented as a precautionary measure to contain the virus.

It will really be a hard time all over again for Germany and France altogether with neighboring countries. There would be lesser demand for employment since most businesses would certainly be on the edge again once transmission isn't contained. Higher unemployment rate could also possibly happen. Major losses among the small and big enterprises is also expected.

Despite the on going vaccinations, the certainty about being immune on the infectious new strain of the virus is not assured yet. Intense contact tracing is a must. A good governance and leadership is very much needed especially in this time of crisis. Economy would bounce back if the leader is strategic and good in handling calamities. If not, the citizens must brace themselves for horrible days ahead. Lockdowns would be nonsense if there would be no proper actions made on its duration by the government.

Yes, they will definitely survive from the second lockdown because their government has really put all the necessary things down during the first lockdown, that will make the economy not to collapse like other countries economy. Many industry in the country will really feel the negative impact of the second lockdown because there will be no supply of goods and services, until the government find the solution to end the virus that is tormenting the citizens of the country.
I believe the Europe government will definitely do something possible to save the lives of the citizens by demanding for more money to be supply in different communities to sustain the citizens during the period of pandemic.

The primary stages of the lockdown was exceptionally awful for the economy, and after it was facilitated, numerous nations around Europe and the world were on a recuperation mission, this moment lockdown no question will take that recuperation handle a few steps back, but I can envision it's exceptionally essential looking at how the infection appears to be spreading however again. I think economy may not dive like it did numerous months back when the infection was unused and lockdowns were forced for the primary time, nations should have learned a thing or two from the primary wave and beyond any doubt there are very a part of measures put in put to keep a steady hold of the economy as they see out this moment lockdown.