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Title: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: fiulpro on July 03, 2021, 06:39:52 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: coupable on July 03, 2021, 07:56:17 PM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.

Two notes :
- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?
- Isn't better for a poor country with only 35% of the population vaccinated to buy more vaccines and enforce the vaccination (many methods to do this) instead of calling the greed ?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: DoublerHunter on July 03, 2021, 08:06:04 PM
^ We have nothing to do is to have ourselves vaccinated in order to immune our body to the virus so I think most of us need vaccines even though there are no prizes waiting ahead. People of this country are soo lucky because their government implements such prizes but I think only 1 lucky winner right?
Only Pfizer? how about the other brand? Probably they had a commission of this vaccine brand why they only selected Pfizer instead of the other brand. And that is definitely very exciting, it seems the prize is good and probably people there will hoping that they will get the prize. How I wish I have been there or our government too.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: iv4n on July 03, 2021, 08:12:46 PM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.
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No, they are not the first ones who did it!

So this is more politics than gambling... so we have so "dangerous" virus around, that we need to search for different ways how to encourage people to take the shot! What "mind washing" situation we have here?!?!
I can just say it's crazy what happened with this pandemic... it's crazy how the majority of people took it and felt it! For me, the big question is where are we going with all this?!
To encourage people to take a vaccine for some prize... like when I take my kid to the hospital I offer her candies and ballons just if she behaves nice!

Well, I didn't take the vaccine... I assume I will be forced at one moment... but still, I think this is all one big crazy nuthouse!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bL4nkcode on July 03, 2021, 08:16:10 PM
That's a good way to encourage everyone to get vaccinated, like what's wrong to get vaccinated in the first place? not unless if you're into conspiracy and vaccine antis. It's your health after all, not just you but the family where you lived in.

It's a win-win situation I guess, not just you become immune of covid but you get a chance to win for such price.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: 7788bitcoin on July 03, 2021, 08:18:41 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.  
Which literally means that people are not willing to get vaccinated and you cannot blame anyone, i am not interested to get vaccinate and that is my personal choice because i do not trust these vaccines that is created without much testing and it will take a long time to study about the side effects and hopefully the government will not force me to take them, they can provide any prize money but if people are not trusting these pharma companies i doubt these big prizes can attract them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Twinkledoe on July 03, 2021, 08:35:26 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.  
Which literally means that people are not willing to get vaccinated and you cannot blame anyone, i am not interested to get vaccinate and that is my personal choice because i do not trust these vaccines that is created without much testing and it will take a long time to study about the side effects and hopefully the government will not force me to take them, they can provide any prize money but if people are not trusting these pharma companies i doubt these big prizes can attract them.

But what will you do if you need to travel and the area/country that you need to go to require fully vaccinated people? Or you need to go to a place, and they have certain discrimination with vaccinated and unvaccinated person, like they have strict protocol if you don't have vaccine shot.

But on the note about Poland giving lottery chance only to pfizer vaccinated people, I think it is not fair for other people over there. What is the reason why only Pfizer? Is Pfizer giving them the funds for the prizes? Is the government getting some kickback from Pfizer??? Why not all vaccinated people, whether he got Pfizer or Moderna or the Chinese vaccine?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ReiMomo on July 03, 2021, 08:36:54 PM
So this is more politics than gambling... so we have so "dangerous" virus around, that we need to search for different ways how to encourage people to take the shot! What "mind washing" situation we have here?!?!
I can just say it's crazy what happened with this pandemic... it's crazy how the majority of people took it and felt it! For me, the big question is where are we going with all this?!
To encourage people to take a vaccine for some prize... like when I take my kid to the hospital I offer her candies and ballons just if she behaves nice!

Well, I didn't take the vaccine... I assume I will be forced at one moment... but still, I think this is all one big crazy nuthouse!
Sounds right, I guess another reason is until now people are still afraid to take a shot with the vaccine, there is too many rumor about the result of the vaccinated people that they will turn into a monster someday or I guess they think that they are under experimentation because nobody knows with the result yet of the virus.

However, this is a great strategy to enforce people to take a shot with a vaccine, it's really a win-win situation for most people there.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Johnyz on July 03, 2021, 08:38:13 PM
Every countries have their own ways to encourage the public to get vaccinated, here in my place House and Lot will be the reward on the lucky draw and whatever vaccine you have you are qualified to participate. That option should not only be limited to Pfizer because a lot of good brands are also out in the market, we’re doing this to achieve the herd immunity target to get things back to normal.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Ryker1 on July 03, 2021, 10:17:02 PM
Every countries have their own ways to encourage the public to get vaccinated, here in my place House and Lot will be the reward on the lucky draw and whatever vaccine you have you are qualified to participate. That option should not only be limited to Pfizer because a lot of good brands are also out in the market, we’re doing this to achieve the herd immunity target to get things back to normal.
Well really, --is this true?
May I know where is your place to join and perhaps I will win the reward.
However, this is not new at all and each government will always find ways to encourage their people to be fully vaccinated. Here is my place there is no need for a reward, people are very hurrying to be vaccinated and every day people have a full inline in the vaccination center, they are very aggressive to be able their bodies immune to the virus. Well, good luck with the big prize waiting.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Darker45 on July 04, 2021, 02:00:02 AM
Personally, I find this attractive. Others may disagree, of course, but if this is what it takes for the population to get immunized from the virus, then it is no expensive price to pay. You know, it's just one way to encourage or entice people to get the vaccine as early as possible.

However, as Poland is certainly not the only country to have thought of this, there was a study in the United States that says the $5 million Ohio vaccine lottery didn't actually help increase the vaccination rate.[1] So I guess countries should begin looking into this pattern of giving away money and some stuff just to attract people to get the vaccine. Perhaps they could put the money to better use if proven that it doesn't help at all.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/07/03/ohio-vaccine-lottery-didnt-increase-vaccination-rates-says-new-study/?sh=5ea707316bff


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: RokokGudangGaram on July 04, 2021, 04:11:33 AM
That's really a great way to encourage people to get vaccinated, we all know that some people doesn't want to have a vaccine for different opinion and perspective but in order to minimize the spread of virus the vaccine should be injected to the community in this way people will be interested on getting vaccinated since they would first have an immunity or protect from virus and the second thing is that they would be able to win the lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: peter0425 on July 04, 2021, 04:47:08 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
Quote
From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
lol this is just a copy from what other country did previously and i Believe it is in Oklahoma if i am not mistaken that offers lottery wins for those who will be participating in vaccination .

But this is a good step still for the increasing demand from the government to stop this virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: JohnBitCo on July 04, 2021, 04:52:21 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
Quote
From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
lol this is just a copy from what other country did previously and i Believe it is in Oklahoma if i am not mistaken that offers lottery wins for those who will be participating in vaccination .

But this is a good step still for the increasing demand from the government to stop this virus.

The question is will this stop on lotteries and gambling or do we anticipate that government will allow access to each and every facility only to those people who are vaccinated  ???  

I heard that in some part the government is giving tax relief to the people who got vaccinated. Soon vaccine will be made mandatory.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: rodskee on July 04, 2021, 05:13:20 AM
That's really a great way to encourage people to get vaccinated, we all know that some people doesn't want to have a vaccine for different opinion and perspective but in order to minimize the spread of virus the vaccine should be injected to the community in this way people will be interested on getting vaccinated since they would first have an immunity or protect from virus and the second thing is that they would be able to win the lottery.
They can offer everything but the main objective here is the offering of government to help killing the Virus and to make their countries back to normal .
and this act as bribe just to make the project moving and goes to success .

 
Every countries have their own ways to encourage the public to get vaccinated, here in my place House and Lot will be the reward on the lucky draw and whatever vaccine you have you are qualified to participate. That option should not only be limited to Pfizer because a lot of good brands are also out in the market, we’re doing this to achieve the herd immunity target to get things back to normal.
But only few are offering this kind of event , imagine someone will become Richer just because he wants to be vaccinated and this is for their own goodness .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Wexnident on July 04, 2021, 05:25:41 AM
It's a rather good idea imho. Granted that we all need to get vaccinated, the idea of lottery when vaccinated gives them the push to do it sooner than later. It doesn't really affect them in anyway after all, since early or late, it wouldn't really matter. It's an incentive so to speak, and a welcome one if I must say.


The question is will this stop on lotteries and gambling or do we anticipate that government will allow access to each and every facility only to those people who are vaccinated  ???  

I heard that in some part the government is giving tax relief to the people who got vaccinated. Soon vaccine will be made mandatory.
Should be. Though it's still long in the future imo, since afaik there are still variants of the virus right? Though vaccines also work to some percentage with the variants, it isn't 100% from what I know, not to mention the issue of supply of the vaccine. Though it's basically a guarantee given time.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: robelneo on July 04, 2021, 05:56:27 AM
Polish people are lucky their government is giving cash prizes for their citizens just to get the vaccine, while we here in our country people are lining up to get a vaccine because of lack and short supply, I don't think why they offer this kind of incentives at all, this is the only way to get saves from this virus, why people are still hesitant to get a vaccine when it's their only way of survival now that the virus is mutating.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: UmerIdrees on July 04, 2021, 06:16:57 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
Quote
From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
lol this is just a copy from what other country did previously and i Believe it is in Oklahoma if i am not mistaken that offers lottery wins for those who will be participating in vaccination .

But this is a good step still for the increasing demand from the government to stop this virus.

The question is will this stop on lotteries and gambling or do we anticipate that government will allow access to each and every facility only to those people who are vaccinated  ???  

I heard that in some part the government is giving tax relief to the people who got vaccinated. Soon vaccine will be made mandatory.

This is already happening in Pakistan and indirectly vaccine is mandatory if you want to buy a sim, go to wedding or cinema's.

Only vaccinated people will be allowed to enter wedding halls, cinemas: NCOC (https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/856406-only-vaccinated-people-will-be-allowed-to-enter-wedding-halls-cinemas-ncoc)

Punjab govt decides to block SIM cards of people refusing vaccines (https://www.dawn.com/news/1628625)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Karartma1 on July 04, 2021, 06:25:53 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
Quote
From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
lol this is just a copy from what other country did previously and i Believe it is in Oklahoma if i am not mistaken that offers lottery wins for those who will be participating in vaccination .

But this is a good step still for the increasing demand from the government to stop this virus.

The question is will this stop on lotteries and gambling or do we anticipate that government will allow access to each and every facility only to those people who are vaccinated  ???  

I heard that in some part the government is giving tax relief to the people who got vaccinated. Soon vaccine will be made mandatory.

This is already happening in Pakistan and indirectly vaccine is mandatory if you want to buy a sim, go to wedding or cinema's.

Only vaccinated people will be allowed to enter wedding halls, cinemas: NCOC (https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/856406-only-vaccinated-people-will-be-allowed-to-enter-wedding-halls-cinemas-ncoc)

Punjab govt decides to block SIM cards of people refusing vaccines (https://www.dawn.com/news/1628625)
I'm not against vaccines, let's specify that. They have been very important in the history of medicine to eradicate various pathogens (smallpox, polio above all). But this anti-covid19 vaccination charade where experimental drugs (not vaccines) have been licensed on an emergency basis and will end clinical trials in 2023, I don't like it at all.
Vaccine blackmail doesn't appeal to me at all, and it undercuts something intriguingly suspicious. I do not belong to risk categories, I take all the necessary precautions (mask, hand disinfection, distance from others ...) but at the moment, even in agreement with my GP, the risk-benefit ratio in my case is not in favor of vaccination. And I honestly don't know what to do with a fricking lottery ticket, a pint of beer or a joint.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: xSkylarx on July 04, 2021, 06:35:05 AM
This becomes a trend now in some countries now to attract more people to be vaccinated. It is a win-win situation, you lessen the threat of the virus to your body and have a chance to change your life if you win the lottery. It's just sad that some people are still afraid to get a vaccine because they are informed of false news, there may be some side effects that result for some people to die but these are only isolated cases. This often happen if you have other illness which often happens to older people who have a weaker immune system that can't fight the side effect. If your body is still working perfectly and not that old it is still better to get a vaccine because this will also benefit the people around us. You won't easily get the virus from someone if you are vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: janggernaut on July 04, 2021, 06:51:32 AM
Well just this i've heard a country has running a lottery which we can participated if we already got vaccinated. Most of people aren't aware about vaccine, they just scared about the side-effect after get vaccinated. 35% already got vaccine is a great news, while on my country there are only less than 20% got vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Strongkored on July 04, 2021, 07:05:26 AM
This can only be done by countries that still have sufficient budget, imagine poor countries that even to get vaccines for their citizens are unable to compete with rich countries.
However, whatever the government does should be appreciated because they are trying to get their citizens interested in getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: smyslov on July 04, 2021, 08:33:17 AM
This can only be done by countries that still have sufficient budget, imagine poor countries that even to get vaccines for their citizens are unable to compete with rich countries.
However, whatever the government does should be appreciated because they are trying to get their citizens interested in getting vaccinated.
The best thing is to educate their people how important getting a vaccine is, not pampering and bribing them to get the vaccine, anyway they have the money for the price and they are not lacking in the vaccine, even in vaccine inoculation there is a big discrepancy between the rich and the poor, the rich are being gifted while the poor are lining up. 


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on July 04, 2021, 08:43:51 AM
I will not think about the cash prize but the vaccine will be important to our body, so I will want to get the vaccine.
If I can get the cash for the prize, that will be a bonus for me and if I do not get the money, that will be okay.
Hopefully, those people should care about their health and will go to the hospital and get vaccinated.
The government needs to be concerned about the Pfizer supply and needs to order that vaccine to fill the need for people to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: coin-investor on July 04, 2021, 08:55:31 AM

- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?

I wonder why only Pfizer is this lottery being sponsored by Pfizer or the only available vaccine is the one coming from Pfizer, this is not good they should treat every vaccine equal they spend money on them and people should not choose what to inject on them all these vaccines have undergone clinical studies so they are all safe until proven not to be.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Saint-loup on July 04, 2021, 09:06:51 AM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.

Two notes :
- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?
- Isn't better for a poor country with only 35% of the population vaccinated to buy more vaccines and enforce the vaccination (many methods to do this) instead of calling the greed ?
No Poland isn't the first country to launch a lottery to encourage people to get vaccinated, we've already discussed about that here in other threads : many USA and Canada states and other countries have organized lotteries for vaccinated people with millions dollars of prizes.
Besides that I don't know where you are living but Poland is not a poor country at all, it's an european country and the twentieth richest country in the world.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Zilon on July 04, 2021, 09:37:11 AM
Wow what an enticing offer just to get vaccinated but it seems  Poland Citizens don't even seen interested. Just 35% of it's citizens have gotten the vaccine despite the attractive gambling offer given although not every one has interest in gambling but I feel this should be a mega jackpot for people in Poland to lay hold of.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Saisher on July 04, 2021, 09:43:31 AM
Wow what an enticing offer just to get vaccinated but it seems  Poland Citizens don't even seen interested. Just 35% of it's citizens have gotten the vaccine despite the attractive gambling offer given although not every one has interest in gambling but I feel this should be a mega jackpot for people in Poland to lay hold of.

Two things, they are not interested in what the government is offering or they don't want to get vaccinated at all, that's a very low turnout for a rich country that can afford to buy vaccines and even offer prizes just for its people to get vaccinated, besides giving prizes they should do awareness campaign about the virus and the vaccines to get more people interested to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fortify on July 04, 2021, 10:31:22 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
Quote
From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)

It makes much more sense to have many smaller and regular prizes that people can enjoy rather than huge prizes that very few people will enjoy - also helps prolong the offer. I especially like the PLN500 every 2,000 jabs although hopefully they have a system in place to make sure it is determined fairly, as it seems it could be vulnerable to a little bit of abuse by an insider. It's surprising to see the vaccination rate is still relatively low, but then supply has been a bit random and the EU negotiating method for vaccines was very slow, then they decided to threaten some vaccine suppliers to cover their own incompetency. The EU institutions and individual governments handled the program very poorly, especially when they caused hesitation by changing their minds multiple times against the advice of the medical regulator in order to score political points.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Tumanggor on July 04, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
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it is clear that this is one of Pfizer's marketing tricks that are working with the government to attract more citizens who need to be vaccinated

my country's government makes different rules so that its citizens are willing to be vaccinated, they limit the movement of people who have not been vaccinated, such as not being able to buy plane tickets, buses, or ships

this makes me a little annoyed because actually being vaccinated or not is a human right, every citizen has the right to choose


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Wexnident on July 04, 2021, 11:38:49 AM
it is clear that this is one of Pfizer's marketing tricks that are working with the government to attract more citizens who need to be vaccinated

my country's government makes different rules so that its citizens are willing to be vaccinated, they limit the movement of people who have not been vaccinated, such as not being able to buy plane tickets, buses, or ships

this makes me a little annoyed because actually being vaccinated or not is a human right, every citizen has the right to choose
Well if every citizen has the right to choose, then the government, as the leading organization responsible for managing the safety of public places, should also be allowed to uphold laws that limit the movement of those people who weren't vaccinated right? Idk why, it's just simple common sense tbh. It's not like the Coronavirus is a myth, being vaccinated to combat it seems like the natural course imo. Ofc, granted that supply is not really enough for the demand, there would naturally be some that wouldn't be vaccinated, but any problems that can be solved with time doesn't really seem to be a problem imo.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: mindrust on July 04, 2021, 12:12:01 PM
They are doing everything they can do to get them people vaccinated, don't they?  8)

Somebody is trying really hard to get everybody vaxxed which is pretty suspicious.

If you were going to stabbed already, sure go for it and take advantage of the lottery. If you are getting vaccinated only to participate in the lottery then you are a fool.

It is like tricking a kid with a candy. They probably know that most people are just pretending to be adults but in reality, they are just dumb kids.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 04, 2021, 12:31:23 PM
The US state of Ohio recently had such a lottery, for those underwent vaccination. And following this, many of the other states came up with their own version of the vaccination lottery. But the case with Poland is different. Not enough vaccine doses are not available in that country. So I don't really understand the point in coming up with a lottery. It may work, if enough doses are available and people are not ready to get themselves vaccinated (similar to the case in Russia). But what is the point they are trying to make, when the supplies are not available?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fundamentals Of on July 04, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
I just want to clarify something about the subject of the thread. Does it mean that the lottery will only be given to those who got themselves inoculated with the vaccine coming from Pfizer? What about those people who got inoculated with vaccines coming from other pharmaceutical companies such as AstraZeneca, Moderna, and others?

This has become a sort of a reward mechanism in many areas of the world just to make sure people would forget their fears about the vaccines.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: aysg76 on July 04, 2021, 01:53:22 PM
Many states are coming up with this sort of plans to encourage people to get vaccinated so as to boost their immunity and less cases are reported for covid in the country which is somehow positive and negative also according to me because people should take themselves take initiative to take the vaccine and other is government is giving some sort of Rewards to citizens.In many countries this is happening like offering free beer,million dollars lottery,passes and many others.Poland on the other hand have only 37 million population and birth rate is slow compared to death rate and expected population in 2050 will only be 32 million so government is also worried and want healthy residents to boost economy also.So it is sort of encouragement only and 100 out of 1 will win but 100 will be vaccinated so this is politics at big level.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: pawanjain on July 04, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
That's the second time I am hearing a country is providing something for getting vaccinated. It's a good attempt from the government to get their citizens vaccinated.
The first time I head of something like this was when US citizens were getting a free beer for getting vaccinated.
I think this is a win win strategy both for the government and the citizens.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: swogerino on July 04, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
I haven't done the vaccine only because I worked in an environment from August 2020 until December 2020 where all of my colleagues were infected with Covid 19.They stopped coming to work but they were there before they knew they were infected so I was all the time with them and I didn't get Covid at all.This boosted my thinking that I can be somewhat immune to this so until now,no vaccination whatsoever for me.I believe in Pfizer as my parents have done it,being old in age and having not problems or side effects from this vaccine.

Poland and all countries with such strategy are doing great so far.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 04, 2021, 04:07:03 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
This is without a doubt interesting, there is a group of people in every single country that is not going to want to take the vaccine and since it is their right then there is nothing to do, but there are other people that may like to get the vaccine and they do not have the necessary motivation and this could be exactly what we need, some may not like this as they may think governments are deceiving people but to me any measure that helps to increase the number of people being vaccinated is a good measure as long as we are not forcing people to take the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vaskiy on July 04, 2021, 04:45:09 PM
Different initiatives have been taken by different governments around the world to make people vaccinated. Pfizer is tested to be more effective than other vaccines, so people can get vaccinated without any big fear. Already few States of US have done such promotion providing million dollar prize.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Hamphser on July 04, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.
Latest news about pfizer side effect.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ukraine-look-into-causes-mans-death-shortly-after-covid-vaccination-2021-07-03/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ukraine-investigates-cause-of-man-s-death-after-vaccine-shot-1.5495465

So i wont be surprised that citizens would really have doubts and also lottery odds isnt really appealing most of the time and isnt worth the risk.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dimonstration on July 04, 2021, 09:09:17 PM
Different initiatives have been taken by different governments around the world to make people vaccinated. Pfizer is tested to be more effective than other vaccines, so people can get vaccinated without any big fear. Already few States of US have done such promotion providing million dollar prize.
It’s like some perks of being vaccinated especially for gamblers who already wants to play in real casino, as well people see when some known companies promotes it it may have its advantages.  There are also some countries who only allows tourist provided they finish dose of pfizer vaccine. Those who want to travel already indeed choose to have pfizer than any other brands unfortunately its not yet readily available for every country like in my place wherein the tag line “the best vaccine is the available vaccine” since only few can be dose with pfizer. Hopefully there will be a vaccine that will fully work in all covid variants to avoid covid permanently.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: AverageGlabella on July 04, 2021, 09:23:20 PM
This to me is a weird way of trying to encourage people to take the vaccine is feels like they are coercing the population. I am not against the vaccine at all and I do encourage everyone to have the vaccine but offering something like this just seems wrong. I get that they are trying to increase their vaccination levels and make Poland a safer place with less covid restrictions but I think the incentive of that alone without the usage of the possibility of winning a large amount of money would be enough you know saving lives. I wonder how many other countries will take this approach.

So i wont be surprised that citizens would really have doubts and also lottery odds isnt really appealing most of the time and isnt worth the risk.
Those news sources do not link to any credible studies and they are only reporting that there has been a person who happened to have side effects and died. The studies do not show that there is definitely a link there and they are inconclusive. Though I understand what you mean with news spreading worrying titles and articles like this around no wonder people are hesitant about getting the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ene1980 on July 04, 2021, 11:01:45 PM
Different initiatives have been taken by different governments around the world to make people vaccinated. Pfizer is tested to be more effective than other vaccines, so people can get vaccinated without any big fear. Already few States of US have done such promotion providing million dollar prize.
Pfizer is the widely used vaccines and we are yet to see any side effects but the rest of the vaccines showed signs of side effects to certain patients and now everyone who is planning to get vaccinated looks for Pfizer. So is this lottery conducted by the Pfizer pharmaceutical company or the government promoting the company  :D.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: magneto on July 05, 2021, 12:10:53 AM
These are some pretty good incentives.

I personally think that these vaccination incentives which involve an element of chance are certainly very effective, from both a marketing perspective by playing on people's psyche and also from a public helath perspective.

Most people, when presented with a surefire $1 reward or a lottery ticket with 0.1% chance of winning $1,000, will take the latter.

And plus, this is great advertisement for the national lottery post-pandemic. Absolutely a great play.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 05, 2021, 02:59:58 AM
Different initiatives have been taken by different governments around the world to make people vaccinated. Pfizer is tested to be more effective than other vaccines, so people can get vaccinated without any big fear. Already few States of US have done such promotion providing million dollar prize.
Pfizer is the widely used vaccines and we are yet to see any side effects but the rest of the vaccines showed signs of side effects to certain patients and now everyone who is planning to get vaccinated looks for Pfizer. So is this lottery conducted by the Pfizer pharmaceutical company or the government promoting the company  :D.
Yup, Pfizer needs to work hard to supply the vaccine to other countries if the other country follows to give a lottery prize to their people.

But people in Poland should be glad to see a lottery prize given to the winner and I think that can succeed as what the USA did. It can attract enthusiasm from the people to get vaccinated. Hopefully, it is not because of the political reason behind that lottery prize because the government has much plan that we do not know.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: imstillthebest on July 05, 2021, 04:45:56 AM
thats a lot of prizes but is there a people that willing to move from poland from this ?
that was crazy and i dont think they will allow it and even the prize is attractive ,
there will be people that will value their health and wont participate because they are afraid of the effects of the vaccine .

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But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.
its unfortunate for those who want more people to get vavcinated but it was fortunate for the people that participates in the draw because they got more chance of winning .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 05, 2021, 05:05:04 AM
Pfizer is the widely used vaccines and we are yet to see any side effects but the rest of the vaccines showed signs of side effects to certain patients and now everyone who is planning to get vaccinated looks for Pfizer. So is this lottery conducted by the Pfizer pharmaceutical company or the government promoting the company  :D.

Both Pfizer and Moderna have the highest efficacy for any of the COVID vaccines (~95%). I was fortunate enough to receive two doses of the Pfizer vaccine as my country mostly use Pfizer for vaccination here. But my friends and relatives in India has to rely on less efficient vaccines such as Covishield and COvaxin, as the authorities there are not ready to approve any other brand. After months of bargaining, they approved a third vaccine (Sputnik V), but they put a lot of obstacles on administration and so far only a few thousand people have managed to get vaccinated using Sputnik V.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bitterguy28 on July 05, 2021, 05:11:44 AM
Wait !!! Specifically pfizer ? so meaning poland don't use other vaccine than this?

no wonder why they are luring little amount of interested people because pfizer has a lot of issue and side effects compared to other vaccines.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: BTCLiz on July 05, 2021, 05:14:17 AM
As far as I know there are already many studies showing the positive results from these kind of lotteries. Actually I kind of like the idea. The government only needs to use a certain amount of money to provide such a lottery. The costs are lower then the benefits, because the more people are vaccinated the less some prohibitions have to be introduced.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Lorence.xD on July 05, 2021, 05:35:29 AM
As far as I know there are already many studies showing the positive results from these kind of lotteries. Actually I kind of like the idea. The government only needs to use a certain amount of money to provide such a lottery. The costs are lower then the benefits, because the more people are vaccinated the less some prohibitions have to be introduced.
Doesn't need to do a study to prove that it works, it's our instinct that when we are asked to do something and that we are rewarded for it, that's just human behavior. A lot of businesses that offer something for being vaccinated aren't in it for the altruistic goal, they want to be different from their competition and they want their brands to be known, you might see some of the businesses that offer free things or perks when vaccinated have more customers.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 05, 2021, 05:53:47 AM
Wait !!! Specifically pfizer ? so meaning poland don't use other vaccine than this?

no wonder why they are luring little amount of interested people because pfizer has a lot of issue and side effects compared to other vaccines.

Being a member of the European Union, Poland can use only the vaccines that are approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA). That rules out the Chinese and Russian vaccines. And among the remaining vaccines, Pfizer is the only one that is available in sufficient quantities. The other EMA-approved vaccines (Moderna, Janssen, AstraZeneca.etc) are all struggling with supply issues. Poland has used all these four vaccines for their program, but from what I have heard Pfizer accounts for the vast majority of the total. 


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: yazher on July 05, 2021, 06:14:23 AM
Yeah! I heard of it since that was some innovative strategies where people will take advantage of the offer, the rate of people who will want to get vaccinated will drastically increase. I think this is another good opportunity for those who don't have anything at the moment, I mean if you don't have that kind of vaccine Phobia, you can try this one and who knows maybe you are the one who will gonna get the prize. there's no risk in here and you don't even need to give them money to be qualified. all you need to have is a strong immune system to take that vaccine and have your entry for that lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Alisha-k on July 05, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Most government using enticing offers to lure their citizens into doing things and I feel it's a good deplomatic approach even though the vaccine is for the well-being of Poland Citizens the approach could be said to be recommendable but my problem is people would still not get the vaccine despite the offer placed by Poland Government which might still make the environment unsafe for it's dwellers


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: worle1bm on July 05, 2021, 02:21:50 PM
This is a nice initiative by the government to encourage people to take the shot of covid vaccination as people seem not to take the dosage properly and they are trying to convince them through these lottery methods and with hope to get free funds people will rush to vaccine centres which is exactly Poland government wants.So the prize the vaccination person will get will not be taxed under gains?Right? Because the government might be giving you free funds but will come up with another taxation scheme to take it back.So you don't know.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: AicecreaME on July 05, 2021, 02:23:39 PM
Here is my opinion regarding about this matter.

People first doesn't want to get vaccinated, because they are afraid of its side effects in the long run, but the Government made a price so they are now willing to be vaccinated. I don't know if it is really safe to get the free vaccine because I don't know which is which who's getting the benefits out of it, I mean, looks like the Government is forcing us to take it.

Here in our country, there are some cases that people who got vaccinated suffered already its side effects which is very alarming, like having a fever, numbing your whole body, having a hard time to breathe, etc.. So for me, I guess it's not worth it to be vaccinated out of your will just to get a free lottery ticket.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: molsewid on July 05, 2021, 02:25:01 PM
Different initiatives have been taken by different governments around the world to make people vaccinated. Pfizer is tested to be more effective than other vaccines, so people can get vaccinated without any big fear. Already few States of US have done such promotion providing million dollar prize.

Here in our country we have a variations of vaccines that made available for vaccinating people but sad to say we can't make or decide which one would you like to get because what is the only kind of vaccine available on the your city which you are registered citizen that is the only vaccine you can get. I didn't get vaccinated but Pfizer is what I want to get but it seems that I don't have any other choice than to settle for Sinovac instead than not getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on July 05, 2021, 02:41:02 PM
Have to check my local lottery this week together with a casino I went sometime to see if they offer the same thing. I find this lottery thing a good way to make people do the vaccination program because even if the chances are really small, they are still going to consider it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: nikrobi on July 05, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
Usually when an action is triggered by a government we suspect that there's a kind of conspiration behind it. For sure we have the right and the duty of the doubt, but according to the virus behavior, if "attractive" measures are not taken to avoid drastic ones, this pandemic situation will never stop.

So, why not to induce people to be vaccinated? We know that the world cannot be paralyzed for such a long time. Human behavior has been modified not by a vaccine but is being modified by lack of interaction with other humans! And this change may cause bad results in a general way. Risks must be calculated!

Immunization and non-imMunization have already been calculated?

Economy disaster has already been in action!!!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: famososMuertos on July 05, 2021, 03:13:29 PM
It looks strange and perhaps for some look justifiable but the reality is that it comes out cheaper for governments to do this type of incentives that having sick patients is much more expensive. Above all in countries where public health or primary care is free.

In several countries, matrices have been created not to be vaccinated by long-term effects consequences, but regardless of this people should be vaccinated because they wish and is the best not for an incentive.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Tumanggor on July 05, 2021, 03:19:02 PM
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Well if every citizen has the right to choose, then the government, as the leading organization responsible for managing the safety of public places, should also be allowed to uphold laws that limit the movement of those people who weren't vaccinated right? Idk why, it's just simple common sense tbh. It's not like the Coronavirus is a myth, being vaccinated to combat it seems like the natural course imo. Ofc, granted that supply is not really enough for the demand, there would naturally be some that wouldn't be vaccinated, but any problems that can be solved with time doesn't really seem to be a problem imo.
you are right that the government has the right to enforce the rules on those who are not willing to be vaccinated
but if you look at the perception of humanity, they must also give citizens the right to choose whether to be vaccinated or not

restricting movement or giving lottery to citizens who are willing to be vaccinated sounds like rights rape imo
but back to each other's perceptions and I hope we can all keep ourselves and our families healthy


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: TheGreatPython on July 05, 2021, 06:26:08 PM
It looks strange and perhaps for some look justifiable but the reality is that it comes out cheaper for governments to do this type of incentives that having sick patients is much more expensive. Above all in countries where public health or primary care is free.

In several countries, matrices have been created not to be vaccinated by long-term effects consequences, but regardless of this people should be vaccinated because they wish and is the best not for an incentive.
It's a pretty cool idea actually. I mean theoretically, if 1million people are given a lottery ticket after they take the vaccine, and let's say the lottery prize is $10k for 100 people then it cost the government around $1M while the cost of enabling vaccine is only $1/person, which if offered directly wouldn't have attracted so many participants, but because the prize is high and everyone wants to try their luck, it should work pretty nicely.

People should understand that lockdowns are not the solution for this virus and the only feasible solution is getting vaccinated and living the life as they used to before the pandemic came out. I am glad someone would win money by getting vaccinated, I thought it would cost people but some people will make money doing it haha ;D.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fatunad on July 05, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
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Well if every citizen has the right to choose, then the government, as the leading organization responsible for managing the safety of public places, should also be allowed to uphold laws that limit the movement of those people who weren't vaccinated right? Idk why, it's just simple common sense tbh. It's not like the Coronavirus is a myth, being vaccinated to combat it seems like the natural course imo. Ofc, granted that supply is not really enough for the demand, there would naturally be some that wouldn't be vaccinated, but any problems that can be solved with time doesn't really seem to be a problem imo.
you are right that the government has the right to enforce the rules on those who are not willing to be vaccinated
but if you look at the perception of humanity, they must also give citizens the right to choose whether to be vaccinated or not

restricting movement or giving lottery to citizens who are willing to be vaccinated sounds like rights rape imo
but back to each other's perceptions and I hope we can all keep ourselves and our families healthy
Depends on what kind of government does have a certain country because if you do live on a country which is a communist one then as a citizen you wont really be having any choice but to follow if you dont like
to experience any problems afterwards but luckily if you do live on a country which is a democratic one then you do really have the choice neither you would take a shot or not.
Honestly, making some lottery chances is a good initiative but wont really be that enough to convince the entire community on taking a shot knowing the risk of side effects
plus minding on the odds on hitting lottery is very slim and majority does know about it and wont really be looking interesting at all.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: justdimin on July 05, 2021, 09:52:08 PM
Usually when an action is triggered by a government we suspect that there's a kind of conspiration behind it. For sure we have the right and the duty of the doubt, but according to the virus behavior, if "attractive" measures are not taken to avoid drastic ones, this pandemic situation will never stop.
That's right and it is a shame that people are being given lucrative offers to get vaccinated. I mean it's a responsibility of an individual to get vaccinated and although I admire the attempt from the government to vaccinate people by offering them lottery entry, I don't think such actions help a lot. I would never get vaccinated for a lottery entry, come on! yes, I am vaccinated and that's because I preferred it, not because I wanted an entry in a lottery.

Even in my country people believe there is a certain conspiracy against them when they are asked to vaccinate. I don't know why someone would have a problem with getting vaccinated since it took a year and more to prepare it, so no need to doubt it.

I urge anyone here reading comments to please take this situation seriously and take precautionary measures at least until they are vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: harizen on July 05, 2021, 10:10:05 PM

No idea of the vaccine status in Poland but is Pfizer the only vaccine brand there? If not, how those with other vaccine brands can participate in the lottery?

That lottery or something benefits aren't new to encouraged people to undergo vaccines.

Moving forward, I was wondering the status of the lottery on the Ohio, as reading the article, "Ohio recently reported difficulties in increasing vaccination rates via a lottery scheme. The state's vaccine lottery subsequently came to an end."

It's not effective there so I'm thinking, I hope the same offer on our country. If that kind of offer will be given here, there's no question that it will encourage people here even for whatever vaccine brands. :)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: 2double0 on July 05, 2021, 10:19:48 PM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Lanatsa on July 05, 2021, 10:56:46 PM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.
•Lack of interest
•Afraid of side effects

No matter how government would be putting efforts just to convince their citizens to take a shot as long they wont be willing to do so then there nothing they can do.
Community wont be cooperative because they are still hesitating on taking a vaccine due to those negative news about it which even myself cant really resist
on not to mind about probabilities on where you do die with vaccine side effects than with the virus itself.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: tippytoes on July 05, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.
•Lack of interest
•Afraid of side effects

No matter how government would be putting efforts just to convince their citizens to take a shot as long they wont be willing to do so then there nothing they can do.
Community wont be cooperative because they are still hesitating on taking a vaccine due to those negative news about it which even myself cant really resist
on not to mind about probabilities on where you do die with vaccine side effects than with the virus itself.

I think that's the majority of reason why they don't want the covid shot. The side effects it may do to their body. As everyone is different, you have no idea when this side effect will occur to you. Maybe if the vaccine is already established in terms of research and trials, some people will get it. However, right now, the thought of side effects is the main concern of many. You can't blame other people about such decision, because it is your own body at risk here. Maybe, for healthy and young body, there's no problem getting the shot. However, for those people with comorbidities, that's when they are getting afraid of the shot.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on July 05, 2021, 11:05:52 PM
No matter how government would be putting efforts just to convince their citizens to take a shot as long they wont be willing to do so then there nothing they can do.
The reason the government is giving you incentive is because they wanted everyone to take the vaccine and if there is a choice for me i would accept Pifzer dose than any other vaccine from the reviews i heard but sadly Pifzer is not available in my country.

Community wont be cooperative because they are still hesitating on taking a vaccine due to those negative news about it which even myself cant really resist on not to mind about probabilities on where you do die with vaccine side effects than with the virus itself.
The biggest doubt everyone has is the side effects of the vaccine as we have seen many healthy looking people suffering heart disease after taking the vaccine or after getting the virus and the general public know these half truth which ultimately will not help if the government is not taking any initiative.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: harizen on July 05, 2021, 11:27:21 PM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.

I think it's just recently when they released the idea of having a lottery. Others might change their views about the vaccine with these offers. But as I mentioned, the Ohio lottery seems not successful although we need official news or source about this.

Let's give them months at least if the Poland government will really encourage their citizens there to undergo vaccine. I've just read that they were struct badly with the pandemic so the fear is always there if the vaccine is really safe as they feel it was rushed.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: chaser15 on July 05, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
Not new as other countries also have their respective benefits and advantages given to their citizens just to encouraged them to have a vaccine.

It's really a problem, not just in Poland, to encourage their citizens as I understand the part that they are just worried about the effect of the vaccine in the long run.

They just need some good education to learn that vaccine is not here to make things worst.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Shasha80 on July 05, 2021, 11:43:16 PM
Not new as other countries also have their respective benefits and advantages given to their citizens just to encouraged them to have a vaccine.

It's really a problem, not just in Poland, to encourage their citizens as I understand the part that they are just worried about the effect of the vaccine in the long run.

They just need some good education to learn that vaccine is not here to make things worst.

What Poland is doing seems to be done in other countries too, it really needs encouragement so that the citizens is willing to be vaccinated.
This actually happened because of the lack of education and information to the citizens, because like in my country many people refuse to be
vaccinated, because they think vaccines will harm their bodies in the long run. So we need a way like the Polish government did, with the requirement
that the vaccine has been injected, the person meets the requirements for the lottery. This will increase the number of people who want to be vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on July 05, 2021, 11:49:25 PM
What Poland is doing seems to be done in other countries too, it really needs encouragement so that the citizens is willing to be vaccinated.
This actually happened because of the lack of education and information to the citizens, because like in my country many people refuse to be
vaccinated, because they think vaccines will harm their bodies in the long run.
The biggest question anyone could ask is whether these vaccines are 100% safe and i bet no pharmacy that are creating these vaccines can say that it is 100% safe to use and there is no reaction present in them. Most people will be thinking logically about their safety and that is the fear that is distancing them from the vaccine.

So we need a way like the Polish government did, with the requirements
that have been injected with Pifzer then the person meets the requirements for the lottery.
If it is a winning method by giving out incentives then they can apply the same in several countries especially in Asian countries  :D.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: goinmerry on July 05, 2021, 11:50:07 PM
Pfizer is one of the top vaccine brand with good efficiency rate in the world.

Poland is lucky if that's their vaccine supply and at the same time, a chance to win at a lottery.

Here in our country, it was mostly Sinovac and Astrazeneca and doesn't have any lottery reward opportunity for vaccinated person. But we have regular discounts at some stores, shops and less restrictions for requirements if we plan to make a vacation.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: blockman on July 05, 2021, 11:59:05 PM
This is the same as the vaccination rule that we've seen in the US in that some of their states were offering lottery tickets with a huge prize for whoever will win the lottery tickets that they will provide. It only ends up to one thing why they're giving this attractive offer and that is to increase the vaccination in their countries, states, or places to get immunity from the vaccine. From a standpoint, they should have also accounted for the other vaccines that have been given to their citizens but if that's their clear rule to get only a Pfizer shot. I guess the remaining folks that haven't vaccinated yet, have no choice but to take the chance of getting that ticket as an incentive after being vaccinated. I guess that we're going to see more of them while the vaccination process from everywhere keeps rolling. They might make more attractive incentives soon that we haven't seen before.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 06, 2021, 03:40:26 AM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.

In Eastern Europe, the people (especially those who are middle aged or elderly) don't trust the government. This is due to their experience during the Communist rule, which lasted until the 1990s. Same is the case with Russia. The government is administering Sputnik V, which is one of the most efficient vaccines against COVID. But so far less than one-fifth of the population has come up for vaccination. At least in the case of Poland, the percentage is much higher (still much lower when compared to the western nations).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: peter0425 on July 06, 2021, 04:44:42 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
lol this is just a copy from what other country did previously and i Believe it is in Oklahoma if i am not mistaken that offers lottery wins for those who will be participating in vaccination .

But this is a good step still for the increasing demand from the government to stop this virus.

The question is will this stop on lotteries and gambling or do we anticipate that government will allow access to each and every facility only to those people who are vaccinated  ???  

I heard that in some part the government is giving tax relief to the people who got vaccinated. Soon vaccine will be made mandatory.
Actually in My country the president is keeping tells people that he wanted this vaccination to become mandatory but of course oppositions are keeping their stands that's why the government is acting that in ways were people has no choice .,

So meaning the Malls are starting to require that people that can only enters the premises are those who has vaccination proofs .

and also in some government establishments this are starting to be implemented meaning people will have no option but to partake or never use those facilities forever.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 06, 2021, 05:12:01 AM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.
Maybe the Poland government needs to promote their program to many places to see and have the interest to join in that program. The government and medical health need to educate their people on how important the vaccine is for their health and prevent the spread of the virus. If that is successful, their people will realize and follow the government's suggestion and not because of the lottery. Some people will also be interested in the lottery because that can change their lives while surviving this pandemic.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on July 06, 2021, 06:08:22 AM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.
Maybe the Poland government needs to promote their program to many places to see and have the interest to join in that program. The government and medical health need to educate their people on how important the vaccine is for their health and prevent the spread of the virus. If that is successful, their people will realize and follow the government's suggestion and not because of the lottery. Some people will also be interested in the lottery because that can change their lives while surviving this pandemic.

It should be that way, the government needs to take their overtime informing all their citizens about this vaccines and how important it is fighting this covid virus, the focus should educate everyone around that this vaccines will help to lessen the spread of this virus.

Every details about the vaccines and the virus should be advertise to whatever forms of advertisements the government can have.

After that, lotteries are just part of  incentive where people have that chance to win the jackpot money.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Reatim on July 06, 2021, 07:00:27 AM
Not new as other countries also have their respective benefits and advantages given to their citizens just to encouraged them to have a vaccine.
That is the situation mate because people are afraid of the vaccine because the Media is making this controversial and even not good for the health while the truth is people needs this for their own life.
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It's really a problem, not just in Poland, to encourage their citizens as I understand the part that they are just worried about the effect of the vaccine in the long run.
it is worldwide issue , though nowadays the people are increasing to like having the vaccine because of the truth of life risking .
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They just need some good education to learn that vaccine is not here to make things worst.
Yeah information must come to the people from the government , They are the one who must feed this for the people to learn the benefit of the vaccine .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 06, 2021, 07:09:25 AM
Insane how Poland didn't get a good number of people vaccinated yet, even after releasing these lotteries. Their government is doing a great job but citizens seem to be non co-operative, that is why many people die due to corona because of lack of self-protection. Hope that their citizens will understand the concerns and start getting vaccinated quickly.
Maybe the Poland government needs to promote their program to many places to see and have the interest to join in that program. The government and medical health need to educate their people on how important the vaccine is for their health and prevent the spread of the virus. If that is successful, their people will realize and follow the government's suggestion and not because of the lottery. Some people will also be interested in the lottery because that can change their lives while surviving this pandemic.

It should be that way, the government needs to take their overtime informing all their citizens about this vaccines and how important it is fighting this covid virus, the focus should educate everyone around that this vaccines will help to lessen the spread of this virus.

Every details about the vaccines and the virus should be advertise to whatever forms of advertisements the government can have.

After that, lotteries are just part of  incentive where people have that chance to win the jackpot money.
Besides that, the governments need to explain what they need to know and the step before they vaccinated and after vaccinated. Maybe those people are worry and afraid about the side effect that they read from many news so it will better for the government to explain all the details.

Maybe the government can collaborate with local celebrities to help them educate the people because that can give confidence for people to follow vaccination programs. That method will work if many people help the programs.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: lienfaye on July 06, 2021, 07:23:24 AM
Well its a good strategy to encourage the Polish people to be vaccinated.

This is not the first time the government come up to this kind of idea, some states in America already offered an incentives through lotteries for the lucky winners and its not actually bad a thing.

You get a shot then had a chance to win prizes. But on top of that is the fact that you already have a protection against the virus because of the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: jrrsparkles on July 06, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
This is also gambling with zero luck, I bet no one is going to win anything other than those small weekly rewards, those big rewards will go to someone known to the government officials because Money is everything in this world. Personally I am not going to get any vaccines unless its an emergency situation.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Shasha80 on July 06, 2021, 11:18:54 AM
What Poland is doing seems to be done in other countries too, it really needs encouragement so that the citizens is willing to be vaccinated.
This actually happened because of the lack of education and information to the citizens, because like in my country many people refuse to be
vaccinated, because they think vaccines will harm their bodies in the long run.
The biggest question anyone could ask is whether these vaccines are 100% safe and i bet no pharmacy that are creating these vaccines can say that it is 100% safe to use and there is no reaction present in them. Most people will be thinking logically about their safety and that is the fear that is distancing them from the vaccine.

So we need a way like the Polish government did, with the requirements
that have been injected with Pifzer then the person meets the requirements for the lottery.
If it is a winning method by giving out incentives then they can apply the same in several countries especially in Asian countries  :D.

All human creations in the pharmaceutical world must have side effects, because concoctions are made using chemicals. But what's annoying is
that all the pharmaceutical companies that create vaccines don't dare to tell the truth about what side effects can occur. It's still a mystery to this day,
so like you said it's only natural that there are a lot of people looking to be safe not to be vaccinated. Moreover, until now there is no vaccine that
can provide 100% protection, therefore some people think that injecting vaccines is useless.

Therefore, governments like Poland think creatively by offering lotteries for those who want to inject vaccines. it turned out to be quite effective,
many people were interested in the offer, because almost everyone was now affected by the economic crisis. Especially in Asian countries where
there are still many poor people, offering a lottery is definitely very effective in getting many people interested in injecting vaccines.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: zanezane on July 06, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
This is also gambling with zero luck, I bet no one is going to win anything other than those small weekly rewards, those big rewards will go to someone known to the government officials because Money is everything in this world. Personally I am not going to get any vaccines unless its an emergency situation.
At the least they are still going to attract some people that will volunteer to get vaccinated, remember that the whole point of the lottery doing this is to encourage people to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: btc78 on July 06, 2021, 11:41:55 AM
This is also gambling with zero luck, I bet no one is going to win anything other than those small weekly rewards, those big rewards will go to someone known to the government officials because Money is everything in this world. Personally I am not going to get any vaccines unless its an emergency situation.
Lottery with very small chance of winning the jackpot? this will only sounds like fooling people to believe that someone will win but the truth is they will not.
Why instead of making it in lottery , why do it as Rapple? so there will be a sure winner of the jackpot  ;D
But of course the government will not give this a chance for a reason that they will spend big money while the truth s they have none because of the pandemic effect.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bakasabo on July 06, 2021, 11:51:06 AM
Poland is not the only country who has this "vaccine lottery". For example the governor of Michigan (US) has announced vaccine lottery (https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/how-to-register-for-the-michigan-covid-19-vaccine-lottery) also. And it is available not only for Pfizer vaccine takers. As well as in Latvia Government approves 'vaccine lottery' in principle (https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/politics/government-approves-vaccine-lottery-in-principle.a411656/). On one hand it is good that through lotteries government stimulate citizens to take a vaccine, on the other hand, this is one of hidden instrument of how to made people take a vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sterbens on July 06, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
I can just say it's crazy what happened with this pandemic... it's crazy how the majority of people took it and felt it! For me, the big question is where are we going with all this?!
To encourage people to take a vaccine for some prize... like when I take my kid to the hospital I offer her candies and ballons just if she behaves nice!

Well, I didn't take the vaccine... I assume I will be forced at one moment... but still, I think this is all one big crazy nuthouse!

The limited characteristics of Viruses and types of Vaccines make the Poles not pay too much attention to what the impact will be if they hunt for lottery

prizes and carry out vaccinations gradually no one guarantees you will win one round of the lottery and you are already vaccinated. Indeed and losing from

the lottery spins is the same as exposing yourself and your body to a luck that is only 1: 1000.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: fortunecrypto on July 06, 2021, 12:26:33 PM
With
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nearly 2.9 million cases have been reported with 75,044 deaths.
Poland is very aggressive in their vaccination program they have lost so many lives and economy, they want to revive the economy and go back to normal, as soon as possible that is why they launch their campaign, we cannot blame them the good thing about this, they have a steady supply of vaccine, compared to us who have to wait for weeks and months for more supply to come.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Cling18 on July 06, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.


No, they aren't the only country that is doing this kind of strategy to convince people to take the vaccine. In our country, the government has been offering different kinds of good incentives just to attract more people to get vaccinated but lots of people still refuse it. We can't please or even convince everyone to take the vaccine because there has been lots of conspiracy and fake news being spread about the side effects of the vaccine. As for me, people only need assurance that they would be safe after being vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: oHnK on July 06, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.


No, they aren't the only country that is doing this kind of strategy to convince people to take the vaccine. In our country, the government has been offering different kinds of good incentives just to attract more people to get vaccinated but lots of people still refuse it. We can't please or even convince everyone to take the vaccine because there has been lots of conspiracy and fake news being spread about the side effects of the vaccine. As for me, people only need assurance that they would be safe after being vaccinated.

In my country there has not been any action to persuade people to be vaccinated other than by banning those who have not been vaccinated from using air transportation.  A mandatory requirement for those wishing to board a plane is to be vaccinated.  Meanwhile, if you look at neighboring countries, the government is also active in making creative public service advertisements and is very enthusiastic about facing the new normal.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Renampun on July 06, 2021, 01:43:10 PM
...

get a free lottery if get an injection with Pfizer? this is an interesting offer...

in my country, citizens who want to get a Pfizer injection have to spend the extra money and there are a lot of fans of Pfizer here. I think the Polish people are lucky with the offer given by their government.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: mu_enrico on July 06, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
If you open project VAERS and read some testimony there, the vaccine shot itself is a lottery. You can't know what will happen to your body after the shot. Anyway, incentive is still better than mandatory (coercion) by tyrannical government. I personally not interested, but if they offer me like $50k I'll think about it ;D


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Kittygalore on July 06, 2021, 02:04:07 PM
If you open project VAERS and read some testimony there, the vaccine shot itself is a lottery. You can't know what will happen to your body after the shot. Anyway, incentive is still better than mandatory (coercion) by tyrannical government. I personally not interested, but if they offer me like $50k I'll think about it ;D
The problem with the vaccine is that it became a political tool which caused the developers and researchers to speed up the process of creating the vaccine which lead to the imperfection of the vaccine and now it came to this, the vaccine doesn't have a 100% effectivity.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sled on July 06, 2021, 02:06:34 PM
Poland is not the only country who has this "vaccine lottery". For example the governor of Michigan (US) has announced vaccine lottery (https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/how-to-register-for-the-michigan-covid-19-vaccine-lottery) also. And it is available not only for Pfizer vaccine takers. As well as in Latvia Government approves 'vaccine lottery' in principle (https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/politics/government-approves-vaccine-lottery-in-principle.a411656/). On one hand it is good that through lotteries government stimulate citizens to take a vaccine, on the other hand, this is one of hidden instrument of how to made people take a vaccine.
Vaccination will be going a mandatory protocol for all casinos but to be specific of what vaccine is needed before we are allowed to join the lottery, that was not fair. I mean, they should also have to consider the value of other vaccines available, not only Pfizer. But if that will be their strict rule, we have nothing to do either we got vaccinated by Pfizer or just go online gambling.  

As sooner or later, this not only be happening in casinos but possible in all close establishment and this will urge people to get vaccinated otherwise, they got no freedom to go around outside their premises.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: just_Alice on July 06, 2021, 07:44:08 PM
If you think of it, the fact that people are needed to be ENCOURAGED to get the vaccine is mind-blowing, but this is the world we live in..

I'd be surprised to know that this could actually work though. The thing is - most people that participate in these lotteries (the same campaigns are also run in the US, China, India, Serbia, etc.) for vaccination are the people that would most likely take the vaccine anyway. Those anti-vaxxers, on the other hand, are people of ideology, they aren't getting a vaccine not just because they're lazy, but because of what they believe in.

Most of those people are pretty sure the vaccine will kill them, so do you think such people will sell their lives (as they would think) for a car or even a million dollars?

Well, if you're not sure, you can ask @BADecker, the known anti-vaxxer that posts spam in P&S, if he'd agree to vaccination for a million dollars. Not even for a billion he would :D


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fatunad on July 06, 2021, 07:54:41 PM
If you open project VAERS and read some testimony there, the vaccine shot itself is a lottery. You can't know what will happen to your body after the shot. Anyway, incentive is still better than mandatory (coercion) by tyrannical government. I personally not interested, but if they offer me like $50k I'll think about it ;D
The problem with the vaccine is that it became a political tool which caused the developers and researchers to speed up the process of creating the vaccine which lead to the imperfection of the vaccine and now it came to this, the vaccine doesn't have a 100% effectivity.
There's no such thing about 100% efficacy of vaccines as of today.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

You can really see that it is way below 100% most of the time so it isnt giving any guaranteed for you to be fully protected and you can make out some comparison in between.

Lottery ticket in exchange for get yourself vaccinated which i dont see to be interesting.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: sunsilk on July 06, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
This is also gambling with zero luck, I bet no one is going to win anything other than those small weekly rewards, those big rewards will go to someone known to the government officials because Money is everything in this world.
It is a gamble when you take part of the lottery but you pay nothing and receive the ticket as you take the Pfizer vaccine on their country because that seems to be the preferred vaccine by their government.

In other countries that have started this, there were really actual winners and it's published and recorded.

Personally I am not going to get any vaccines unless its an emergency situation.
Vaccines effect won't take effect immediately so if you want to take it on an emergency situation, you'll not experience to see the effect of it immediately because it's taking effect gradually.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 07, 2021, 05:17:12 PM
But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.
Latest news about pfizer side effect.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ukraine-look-into-causes-mans-death-shortly-after-covid-vaccination-2021-07-03/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ukraine-investigates-cause-of-man-s-death-after-vaccine-shot-1.5495465

So i wont be surprised that citizens would really have doubts and also lottery odds isnt really appealing most of the time and isnt worth the risk.
It was to be expected that the side-effects of the vaccines were going to be higher than usual, after all most vaccines need many years or even a decade to be developed in order for the vaccine to be made as safe as possible but since this was impossible to do people have to take a decision, do they take the risk of taking the vaccine or they refuse with the chance that sooner or later they will get the virus and they will have to face it without any help from the vaccine?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 07, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.
Latest news about pfizer side effect.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ukraine-look-into-causes-mans-death-shortly-after-covid-vaccination-2021-07-03/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ukraine-investigates-cause-of-man-s-death-after-vaccine-shot-1.5495465

So i wont be surprised that citizens would really have doubts and also lottery odds isnt really appealing most of the time and isnt worth the risk.
It was to be expected that the side-effects of the vaccines were going to be higher than usual, after all most vaccines need many years or even a decade to be developed in order for the vaccine to be made as safe as possible but since this was impossible to do people have to take a decision, do they take the risk of taking the vaccine or they refuse with the chance that sooner or later they will get the virus and they will have to face it without any help from the vaccine?
As usual we would really be ending up on like guinea pigs or simply test subjects.Efficacy wont really be proven out if not tested and we know that vaccines should be at least 5 years on observation before it would produce to masses but look at on how short they had made out that vaccine and distributed? People does have their own will though neither they would mind that much on the risk or would typically risk out their lives on taking a shot even they do know that high risk is there rather than doing nothing at all and would have more bigger risk on getting infected with the virus.Its just a matter of choice though but having that kind
of initiative from the government is a bit recommendable.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 08, 2021, 03:50:22 AM
As usual we would really be ending up on like guinea pigs or simply test subjects.Efficacy wont really be proven out if not tested and we know that vaccines should be at least 5 years on observation before it would produce to masses but look at on how short they had made out that vaccine and distributed? People does have their own will though neither they would mind that much on the risk or would typically risk out their lives on taking a shot even they do know that high risk is there rather than doing nothing at all and would have more bigger risk on getting infected with the virus.Its just a matter of choice though but having that kind
of initiative from the government is a bit recommendable.

If you don't want to get a vaccine shot, then it is your choice. But later, don't blame the government if someone in your family dies from COVID. The daily number of deaths from COVID has almost reduced to zero in countries such as Israel, United Kingdom and the United States, which have achieved more than 50% vaccination coverage. And your demand that the vaccine should be on 5 years observation is really absurd. Is there any scientific basis for such a claim? For a pandemic that is killing millions of people right now, how you are going to fight it with a vaccine that will be approved in 2026?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dothebeats on July 08, 2021, 03:56:45 AM
Countries are still incentivizing their citizens to take the jab in hopes of reaching herd immunity before the year 2021 ends. Not really surprised that they'd do this since there has been a resurgence of antivaxxers after several hoaxes resurfaced stating that vaccines are just a tool for the government to spy on their citizens. It's just a shame that the governments have to resort to this technique in order to protect their citizens, but if it works then it works, I guess.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: yazher on July 08, 2021, 06:31:45 AM
Countries are still incentivizing their citizens to take the jab in hopes of reaching herd immunity before the year 2021 ends. Not really surprised that they'd do this since there has been a resurgence of antivaxxers after several hoaxes resurfaced stating that vaccines are just a tool for the government to spy on their citizens. It's just a shame that the governments have to resort to this technique in order to protect their citizens, but if it works then it works, I guess.

Those hoaxers who don't have any spare time to confirm the news they shared on social media are the one needs to get the vaccine first. since they are not really helping to solve this world problem and they still have time to spread hoaxes. Anyway, as I see in the AGT and the NBA, things have already gone normal for them. it's like nothing has happened everyone has returned to their jobs and when you look at the fans almost all of them do not wear a mask. unlike in our city, people will get a penalty of about $10 each if he caught outside without wearing a face shield. Yeah! our city governments take advantage of the situation.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Oasisman on July 08, 2021, 08:46:34 AM
I've also heard another country before who offers the same for their citizens.

Two notes :
- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?
- Isn't better for a poor country with only 35% of the population vaccinated to buy more vaccines and enforce the vaccination (many methods to do this) instead of calling the greed ?

Good observation.
Most probably Pfizer had this offer for their government to use their product for mass vaccination so people would be encouraged to take a dose. This is a win-win situation for the Pfizer. If they'll get the majority of the dose for the people, then $260k is nothing compared to the amount of market they'll get.
This is nothing but a marketing strategy amidst the growing number of competitors as vaccines are considered as necessities in this pandemic time.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: slaman29 on July 08, 2021, 09:00:06 AM
Saw this quite late and it boggles my mind to think that in half of the world, people would kill for vaccines. In another half, people are getting paid and incentivized to take it.

I'd be taking pfizer anyway if I could access, not to mention getting a lottery! Antivaxxers I don't get also, they live such privileged lives.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on July 08, 2021, 09:40:37 AM
Countries are still incentivizing their citizens to take the jab in hopes of reaching herd immunity before the year 2021 ends. Not really surprised that they'd do this since there has been a resurgence of antivaxxers after several hoaxes resurfaced stating that vaccines are just a tool for the government to spy on their citizens. It's just a shame that the governments have to resort to this technique in order to protect their citizens, but if it works then it works, I guess.
Some governments give incentives to their people who are vaccinated, but some others not.
Hopefully, people can think what the advantage of the vaccine to their body so they want to get vaccinated.
I see the news about anti-vaxxers saying they do not want to be vaccinated, and some follow them.
If they do not want to be vaccinated, they do not have to ask other people to follow them because that will be up to them.
People need to concern about their health and if their government asks them to be vaccinated, they should follow.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Pamadar on July 08, 2021, 09:51:16 AM

Good observation.
Most probably Pfizer had this offer for their government to use their product for mass vaccination so people would be encouraged to take a dose. This is a win-win situation for the Pfizer. If they'll get the majority of the dose for the people, then $260k is nothing compared to the amount of market they'll get.
This is nothing but a marketing strategy amidst the growing number of competitors as vaccines are considered as necessities in this pandemic time.



Win-Win  indeed for pfizer. As if majorities will take this vaccines,

The amount of money that they'll going to collect from the government is far higher than the amount of lottery jackpot that they are offering.

Marketing strategy that will cause them good amount of compensation, this kind of marketing strategy mostly attracts people to use and support the product.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Karartma1 on July 08, 2021, 01:03:42 PM
Also when talking about Pfizer never forget who they really are
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-fined-107-million-for-epilepsy-drug-price-hike-1481104073
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32657347
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/september/pfizer_settlement_090209
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/pfizer-hcp-corp-agrees-pay-15-million-penalty-resolve-foreign-bribery-investigation
Pfizer's no charity guys. I don't buy they wanna save the world and looking at the high adverse reaction rate of their thing (that's no vaccine, but sperimental drug) I'm more and more convinced not to get the jab.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: imstillthebest on July 08, 2021, 03:59:26 PM
This is also gambling with zero luck, I bet no one is going to win anything other than those small weekly rewards, those big rewards will go to someone known to the government officials because Money is everything in this world. Personally I am not going to get any vaccines unless its an emergency situation.
Lottery with very small chance of winning the jackpot? this will only sounds like fooling people to believe that someone will win but the truth is they will not.
Why instead of making it in lottery , why do it as Rapple? so there will be a sure winner of the jackpot  ;D
But of course the government will not give this a chance for a reason that they will spend big money while the truth s they have none because of the pandemic effect.
i think that was raffle not rapple but your correct that theres always a sure winner in raffles but not in lotteries but why cant the people suggest to make it as a raffle instead of lotteries before they be able to participate ?
but governments can lower the prize a little bit because they would have run out of funds and they could use the funds in more important situations  than in games


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: uneng on July 08, 2021, 04:54:45 PM
Interesting that people don't get the vaccine because they believe it will present side effects on their bodies, but if the government offers them a tiny chance to win a car they suddenly change their minds and get vaccinated even if it's going to present those same side effects. If I were fully convinced vaccines were harmful I wouldn't take it even if I was the only competitor of the lottery, because health comes first.

If people are going to engage themselves on this campaign that is not because they didn't want to vaccinate before, that was just they were too lazy to do it for free...


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 08, 2021, 10:45:26 PM
Saw this quite late and it boggles my mind to think that in half of the world, people would kill for vaccines. In another half, people are getting paid and incentivized to take it.

I'd be taking pfizer anyway if I could access, not to mention getting a lottery! Antivaxxers I don't get also, they live such privileged lives.
There will always be those that are against to vaccine and likes to read more conspiracy theories. That won't change their lives and minds but they would love to have a debate against what's going to help the world a better place again through defeating covid-19.
I don't know where it's started that these theories have circulated on the web and putting fear on those curious folks that have also searched for the same conspricies. Well, you get a vaccine and you get a chance with the lottery only if you're in Poland and other countries that have this promo.  ;D


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 08, 2021, 10:52:22 PM
As usual we would really be ending up on like guinea pigs or simply test subjects.Efficacy wont really be proven out if not tested and we know that vaccines should be at least 5 years on observation before it would produce to masses but look at on how short they had made out that vaccine and distributed? People does have their own will though neither they would mind that much on the risk or would typically risk out their lives on taking a shot even they do know that high risk is there rather than doing nothing at all and would have more bigger risk on getting infected with the virus.Its just a matter of choice though but having that kind
of initiative from the government is a bit recommendable.

If you don't want to get a vaccine shot, then it is your choice. But later, don't blame the government if someone in your family dies from COVID. The daily number of deaths from COVID has almost reduced to zero in countries such as Israel, United Kingdom and the United States, which have achieved more than 50% vaccination coverage. And your demand that the vaccine should be on 5 years observation is really absurd. Is there any scientific basis for such a claim? For a pandemic that is killing millions of people right now, how you are going to fight it with a vaccine that will be approved in 2026?
Of course there would be such rush because of the pandemic is killing hundreds of thousands or already millions and its just normal that companies will really find cure asap
the main point that im trying to say here is on the side effects.Also, im much aware of the risk on not taking shots and also even my family does have hindrance or hesitation
in doing so because of that probability but since this is a self will decision then im not really stopping anyone inside in the family on getting some vaccine.
Its their choice but at least i do make out some explanation in regards to that.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: slaman29 on July 09, 2021, 10:38:45 AM
I don't know where it's started that these theories have circulated on the web and putting fear on those curious folks that have also searched for the same conspricies. Well, you get a vaccine and you get a chance with the lottery only if you're in Poland and other countries that have this promo.  ;D

Honestly, not very much different from all the crypto conspiracy theories being pushed around. Yes, this is a trial drug for the most, yes, there isn't enough clinical trial, yes, a lot of stuff but also yes, survival rates are higher if you have the vaccine and this disease is bad enough that we should take the risk to ourselves, to protect others.

Anyway, let's see who wins the Poland lottery then.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: fullhdpixel on July 09, 2021, 08:06:49 PM
Saw this quite late and it boggles my mind to think that in half of the world, people would kill for vaccines. In another half, people are getting paid and incentivized to take it.

I'd be taking pfizer anyway if I could access, not to mention getting a lottery! Antivaxxers I don't get also, they live such privileged lives.
That's such a cruel but accurate statement. In some countries, people are begging for vaccination but the doses are not enough to satisfy the demand while in other parts of the world, there are countries that have enough but the people are feared/lazy enough to avoid it and the governments have to run such schemes. Such a huge disparity in vaccine distribution.

I appreciate the effort to put such a scheme in place but people must have a self-understanding of the situation too and shouldn't be offered prizes or lotteries to get the vaccination. It almost feels like the governments are getting something when people get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on July 09, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
I don't know where it's started that these theories have circulated on the web and putting fear on those curious folks that have also searched for the same conspricies. Well, you get a vaccine and you get a chance with the lottery only if you're in Poland and other countries that have this promo.  ;D

Honestly, not very much different from all the crypto conspiracy theories being pushed around. Yes, this is a trial drug for the most, yes, there isn't enough clinical trial, yes, a lot of stuff but also yes, survival rates are higher if you have the vaccine and this disease is bad enough that we should take the risk to ourselves, to protect others.

Anyway, let's see who wins the Poland lottery then.
I dont really mind about on whose the winner of that Lottery because you dont even know if those draws are transparent or not which you cant assure if its fair at all in the first place and if yes
then im not really that much interested on that one and do acts out like a normal day lottery which not really that much getting some interest.

Mentioning about trial drug then is true and its up to someone if they do let themselves  to be test subjects and i cant blame out some people to be that paranoid on not taking
it because of those known issues or rumors about side effects.

It is normal but important thing that death rate isnt high.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 09, 2021, 10:54:09 PM
I don't know where it's started that these theories have circulated on the web and putting fear on those curious folks that have also searched for the same conspricies. Well, you get a vaccine and you get a chance with the lottery only if you're in Poland and other countries that have this promo.  ;D

Honestly, not very much different from all the crypto conspiracy theories being pushed around. Yes, this is a trial drug for the most, yes, there isn't enough clinical trial, yes, a lot of stuff but also yes, survival rates are higher if you have the vaccine and this disease is bad enough that we should take the risk to ourselves, to protect others.

Anyway, let's see who wins the Poland lottery then.
Well, enough with those conspiracies and let's wait who's going to be the lucky guy that will win this lottery. He got the vaccine and wins the lottery. He can go everywhere as he's fully vaccinated already and that gives the incentive for those people that took their decision to take the vaccine. What's more exciting is what are the next countries, states and localities that will do the same incentive for encouraging their people to take the shot.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Pamadar on July 09, 2021, 11:16:05 PM

Of course there would be such rush because of the pandemic is killing hundreds of thousands or already millions and its just normal that companies will really find cure asap
the main point that im trying to say here is on the side effects.Also, im much aware of the risk on not taking shots and also even my family does have hindrance or hesitation
in doing so because of that probability but since this is a self will decision then im not really stopping anyone inside in the family on getting some vaccine.
Its their choice but at least i do make out some explanation in regards to that.


That's the point, it's there rights to whatever decision they've got, letting them do what things they think that best for them.

On your part, if you think that you are not ready or you are still worried with the side effects which normal since we are all new to this virus and even vaccines are now available but the long-term side effects will only reflects which is no one knows really  if there is or there's none.

maybe why the government allow this lotterry to attract more people to take this vaccines, just saying..


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 10, 2021, 03:34:02 PM
It was to be expected that the side-effects of the vaccines were going to be higher than usual, after all most vaccines need many years or even a decade to be developed in order for the vaccine to be made as safe as possible but since this was impossible to do people have to take a decision, do they take the risk of taking the vaccine or they refuse with the chance that sooner or later they will get the virus and they will have to face it without any help from the vaccine?
As usual we would really be ending up on like guinea pigs or simply test subjects.Efficacy wont really be proven out if not tested and we know that vaccines should be at least 5 years on observation before it would produce to masses but look at on how short they had made out that vaccine and distributed? People does have their own will though neither they would mind that much on the risk or would typically risk out their lives on taking a shot even they do know that high risk is there rather than doing nothing at all and would have more bigger risk on getting infected with the virus.Its just a matter of choice though but having that kind
of initiative from the government is a bit recommendable.
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Saisher on July 10, 2021, 10:15:06 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

I have not read news of people dropping dead after they got a vaccine do you have an article for this, this is scary if this true, some people react negatively to a particular vaccine but not to the point that they are dropping dead, and if this is true the percentage is very low based on their study, so far the vaccination is a huge success even if the virus is mutating.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Wawa2013 on July 10, 2021, 10:35:16 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

I have not read news of people dropping dead after they got a vaccine do you have an article for this, this is scary if this true, some people react negatively to a particular vaccine but not to the point that they are dropping dead, and if this is true the percentage is very low based on their study, so far the vaccination is a huge success even if the virus is mutating.

I haven't found an article that reports that someone died after being injected with the vaccine, if there is, I think there are other factors that caused
the person to die after getting the vaccine. Because before the vaccine is distributed, it will be tested properly, so I have a little doubt that the vaccine
can cause someone to die. It is possible that people who have been injected with the vaccine only feel mild symptoms, and do not cause death.
Until now the injection of vaccines in several countries has proven effective, starting to control the spread of the virus, although it has not been able
to completely remove the virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 10, 2021, 10:43:34 PM
I haven't found an article that reports that someone died after being injected with the vaccine, if there is, I think there are other factors that caused
the person to die after getting the vaccine. Because before the vaccine is distributed, it will be tested properly, so I have a little doubt that the vaccine
can cause someone to die. It is possible that people who have been injected with the vaccine only feel mild symptoms, and do not cause death.
Until now the injection of vaccines in several countries has proven effective, starting to control the spread of the virus, although it has not been able
to completely remove the virus.
There are actually reports that have been romanticized by the medias that after getting jabs, those people died. But they don't highlight what's the actual reason of it, like those adults that have taken the shot and then afterwards they got the side effect and eventually died.
Most vaccines are still in the trial phase but they've been assured that they're effective to fight against the covid-19 virus. And there's much better result with those countries that got most of their citizens vaccinated and this is what Poland is trying to do.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on July 10, 2021, 10:57:55 PM
I haven't found an article that reports that someone died after being injected with the vaccine, if there is, I think there are other factors that caused
the person to die after getting the vaccine. Because before the vaccine is distributed, it will be tested properly, so I have a little doubt that the vaccine
can cause someone to die. It is possible that people who have been injected with the vaccine only feel mild symptoms, and do not cause death.
Until now the injection of vaccines in several countries has proven effective, starting to control the spread of the virus, although it has not been able
to completely remove the virus.
There are actually reports that have been romanticized by the medias that after getting jabs, those people died. But they don't highlight what's the actual reason of it, like those adults that have taken the shot and then afterwards they got the side effect and eventually died.
Most vaccines are still in the trial phase but they've been assured that they're effective to fight against the covid-19 virus. And there's much better result with those countries that got most of their citizens vaccinated and this is what Poland is trying to do.
For sure the media wouldnt really tend to show it up to public in terms of those people who died because of vaccine side effects.Why? this would create panic and would really be

changing up someones mind on getting a shot and of course this would affect business as well because people would already be hesitant on getting vaccinated.

Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: harizen on July 11, 2021, 03:29:34 AM
Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.

On point. At least they are giving a form of perks to those who really want to get vaccinated.

On the other hand, the lottery is also an advantage for those people that don't have a problem having a shot. It's like they are being rewarded for something that they really want.

Let those people who don't want to be vaccinated as it is. The government can't really do something about it and I understand those people. The mandatory vaccine should only be applied to those people who work in essential jobs such as healthcare, food industries, supermarket personnel, etc.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 11, 2021, 02:03:05 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

If you believe in such stupidity, then you deserve whatever you get. Anyway, vaccines are in short supply and no one will force you to take them. If you refuse to take them, then more deserving people will get a chance to be vaccinated. I wonder from where did you got the stories of "people dropping dead in a few minutes"... please post the url here, as I want to go through the article. 3.39 billion doses of the vaccine has been administrated till now. If what you were saying was even remotely true, then the world population would have reduced by half till now.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fortify on July 11, 2021, 03:29:26 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

I have not read news of people dropping dead after they got a vaccine do you have an article for this, this is scary if this true, some people react negatively to a particular vaccine but not to the point that they are dropping dead, and if this is true the percentage is very low based on their study, so far the vaccination is a huge success even if the virus is mutating.

People are dropping dead all around the world every day after taking all kinds of medicines, it really needs to be put into perspective. In general, would you prefer to risk a medium chance of getting life changing injuries (such as major lung damage) or even death after catching a highly contagious virus that has killed tens of thousands around the world in a short space of time, or would you prefer a super tiny chance of dying by taking some preventative medicine that will stop such damage in its tracks and lower the chance you infect others? As we have seen from heavily vaccinated countries that used even the astrazeneca jab for large amounts of people, there were very few deaths and it was generally given to elderly people who have a tougher time dealing with any potentially bad side effects.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: uneng on July 11, 2021, 08:41:57 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

I have not read news of people dropping dead after they got a vaccine do you have an article for this, this is scary if this true, some people react negatively to a particular vaccine but not to the point that they are dropping dead, and if this is true the percentage is very low based on their study, so far the vaccination is a huge success even if the virus is mutating.
There are people who drop dead after few days of the vaccine (of course drop dead is just an expression, people just die) and you can find it easily on google news, but after minutes of the vaccine it's a surprise for me. However I remember before covid became a pandemic, when it was just starting in Wuhan, China, there were lots of videos on social medias showing people literally dropping dead on the streets without apparent reason. By now I don't know if those videos were true, since no one talked about it anymore. Crazy and scaring videos.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 11, 2021, 11:14:02 PM
I haven't found an article that reports that someone died after being injected with the vaccine, if there is, I think there are other factors that caused
the person to die after getting the vaccine. Because before the vaccine is distributed, it will be tested properly, so I have a little doubt that the vaccine
can cause someone to die. It is possible that people who have been injected with the vaccine only feel mild symptoms, and do not cause death.
Until now the injection of vaccines in several countries has proven effective, starting to control the spread of the virus, although it has not been able
to completely remove the virus.
There are actually reports that have been romanticized by the medias that after getting jabs, those people died. But they don't highlight what's the actual reason of it, like those adults that have taken the shot and then afterwards they got the side effect and eventually died.
Most vaccines are still in the trial phase but they've been assured that they're effective to fight against the covid-19 virus. And there's much better result with those countries that got most of their citizens vaccinated and this is what Poland is trying to do.
For sure the media wouldnt really tend to show it up to public in terms of those people who died because of vaccine side effects.Why? this would create panic and would really be

changing up someones mind on getting a shot and of course this would affect business as well because people would already be hesitant on getting vaccinated.

Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.
They're showing how many have died but they're not showing how many got vaccinated and out of thousands to millions of people, only a very few got that bad effect. And what's worse is that those people got another symptom not from the vaccine but from their natural disease that has been there before they take the jabs. The lottery incentive won't convince all but at least there's the government that's encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and they all want to see everyone's life turn back to normal.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: goinmerry on July 11, 2021, 11:44:07 PM
The lottery incentive won't convince all but at least there's the government that's encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and they all want to see everyone's life turn back to normal.

I also agree with it. Better than nothing.

I'm not blind that the vaccine also has a side effect or worst, resulted in some death as people have different immunity to it. But the numbers were only a few percentages of all the whole people that got vaccinated meaning the efficiency is great despite of it. And new released doses are safer to consume so I trust the vaccines whatever the brand is.

There is no such reward as a lottery here for vaccinated people so those people are lucky that their country is doing that kind of encouragement.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 12, 2021, 04:18:18 AM
The lottery incentive won't convince all but at least there's the government that's encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and they all want to see everyone's life turn back to normal.

I also agree with it. Better than nothing.

I'm not blind that the vaccine also has a side effect or worst, resulted in some death as people have different immunity to it. But the numbers were only a few percentages of all the whole people that got vaccinated meaning the efficiency is great despite of it. And new released doses are safer to consume so I trust the vaccines whatever the brand is.

There is no such reward as a lottery here for vaccinated people so those people are lucky that their country is doing that kind of encouragement.

It is true that Pfizer has reported the highest proportion of adverse reaction among all the COVID 19 vaccines. But even for Pfizer, the numbers are not alarming. 39 people per million died after taking the Pfizer vaccine, and the vast majority of these deaths occurred due to reasons unrelated to the vaccination. And also, the study was mostly conducted among the elderly people (those aged 80 and above). The COVID related mortality in this age group is almost 20%. So you need to chose between a 20% chance of death from COVID 19, and less than 0.0039% of death from the vaccine.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: paxmao on July 12, 2021, 09:30:54 AM
From a mathematical point of view, this is a very clear case for a rational decision making process  ;D

- Evaluate your chances of being seriously affected by covid.
- Evaluate your chances of getting a nasty secondary effect from the jabs (growing a third arm or getting a trombo).
- Evaluate your chances of winning that lottery.

If you are young, you might choose not to get the jab. If you are old, you most likely want to go for it. The funny thing is that the chances of winning the lottery only have a minimal effect so this is all marketing.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 12, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
The lottery incentive won't convince all but at least there's the government that's encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and they all want to see everyone's life turn back to normal.

I also agree with it. Better than nothing.

I'm not blind that the vaccine also has a side effect or worst, resulted in some death as people have different immunity to it. But the numbers were only a few percentages of all the whole people that got vaccinated meaning the efficiency is great despite of it. And new released doses are safer to consume so I trust the vaccines whatever the brand is.

There is no such reward as a lottery here for vaccinated people so those people are lucky that their country is doing that kind of encouragement.
Yes, compared to those that have taken the shot and felt good, there really were those few that didn't have good results as they take the vaccine. It's still not convincing for those that are waiting for the perfect vaccine to come but as long as there's the availability of the vaccine, anyone who's in that place should take it. Poland got this step and their citizens are in a good situation unless there's another situation that their citizens are dealing with just like those countries that got a lot of anti-vax folks.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Wawa2013 on July 12, 2021, 11:26:27 PM
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There are actually reports that have been romanticized by the medias that after getting jabs, those people died. But they don't highlight what's the actual reason of it, like those adults that have taken the shot and then afterwards they got the side effect and eventually died.
Most vaccines are still in the trial phase but they've been assured that they're effective to fight against the covid-19 virus. And there's much better result with those countries that got most of their citizens vaccinated and this is what Poland is trying to do.
For sure the media wouldnt really tend to show it up to public in terms of those people who died because of vaccine side effects.Why? this would create panic and would really be

changing up someones mind on getting a shot and of course this would affect business as well because people would already be hesitant on getting vaccinated.

Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.

What you say does make sense, because if there are many articles that report the side effects of vaccines can result in death, this will make people
even more refusing to be injected with vaccines. For now, the best chance to prevent the spread of the virus is vaccination. So it is not surprising
that various countries are looking for ways to make their population willing to be injected with vaccines. What the Polish government has done
with lottery offers is a very good move and deserves appreciation. Hopefully other countries follow what the Polish government is doing, because
the lottery has proven to be able to attract many people. Although there are definitely people who are still not interested in being injected with
vaccines for various reasons. At least the state is trying to do something to reassure its citizens and that's a good thing.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 12, 2021, 11:39:17 PM
The lottery incentive won't convince all but at least there's the government that's encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and they all want to see everyone's life turn back to normal.

I also agree with it. Better than nothing.

I'm not blind that the vaccine also has a side effect or worst, resulted in some death as people have different immunity to it. But the numbers were only a few percentages of all the whole people that got vaccinated meaning the efficiency is great despite of it. And new released doses are safer to consume so I trust the vaccines whatever the brand is.

There is no such reward as a lottery here for vaccinated people so those people are lucky that their country is doing that kind of encouragement.
Yes, compared to those that have taken the shot and felt good, there really were those few that didn't have good results as they take the vaccine. It's still not convincing for those that are waiting for the perfect vaccine to come but as long as there's the availability of the vaccine, anyone who's in that place should take it. Poland got this step and their citizens are in a good situation unless there's another situation that their citizens are dealing with just like those countries that got a lot of anti-vax folks.
One of the factors on why people get sick after taking a shot is totally depending on someones health or body condition.Some of my family members had taken a shot of covid vaccine and thats 3 of them.

One had some chills after a day of the vaccine and the other two havent noticed any effects but we know that side effects doesnt really instantly come out specially if severe ones and lets hope
that there would no such instances that might happen but we have seen that there are really people who died because of some side effects.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: harizen on July 12, 2021, 11:59:39 PM
One of the factors on why people get sick after taking a shot is totally depending on someones health or body condition.

I also feel dizzy and got a fever for about a day after I have taken a vaccine shot but as recommended, I just take a Paracetamol. Several weeks have passed now, and I feel much better. I got vaccinated mandatorily because of the nature of my work. It really depends on the person's reaction to the vaccine so we can say there's a possibility that it might become worst for others but good to some.

As a perk, I've now entitled to some discounts and no problem anymore bringing a medical health certificate which is a burden for us who always travel outside the capital. No lottery perks here in my country so these people that have lottery perks are fortunate to have a chance to win decent bucks if they are too lucky enough to be picked.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: xSkylarx on July 13, 2021, 03:48:49 AM
Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.

On point. At least they are giving a form of perks to those who really want to get vaccinated.

On the other hand, the lottery is also an advantage for those people that don't have a problem having a shot. It's like they are being rewarded for something that they really want.

Let those people who don't want to be vaccinated as it is. The government can't really do something about it and I understand those people. The mandatory vaccine should only be applied to those people who work in essential jobs such as healthcare, food industries, supermarket personnel, etc.

The most common reason why people do not get vaccinated is because they are afraid of the side effects and the fake news that circulates on social media.

As for me, having some sort of perks after getting a shot would be fantastic; yes, those who get vaccinated are rewarded, but it still won't persuade people to get vaccinated, and I believe I saw on our local news that they give some money to senior citizens after they get vaccinated so that others will follow.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: virasisog on July 13, 2021, 03:54:21 AM
That is a win win situation for Poland citizen. Here in our country people had to wait for their turn fpr free vaccines and no other perks like what they have in Poland. It is a good program to attract their citizen to be vaccinated. Some people are hesitant to take the vaccine since it is uncertain what could be its long term side effect. However, if it will save you from Covid it might be worth to take a shot.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: rodskee on July 13, 2021, 04:36:41 AM
In my City most of people are distancing from pfizer instead all are aiming for Moderna vaccine because of many claims that pfizer has this side effect that harder to tolerate .
But i believe in Europe it is this vaccine that only allows?



But having this opportunity to be part of lottery while saving your own life from virus is just a bonus because what ever happens it is our life will benefits from this.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on July 13, 2021, 05:18:30 AM
Having some lottery chance is a good initiative but wont really be enough to convince people.

On point. At least they are giving a form of perks to those who really want to get vaccinated.

On the other hand, the lottery is also an advantage for those people that don't have a problem having a shot. It's like they are being rewarded for something that they really want.

Let those people who don't want to be vaccinated as it is. The government can't really do something about it and I understand those people. The mandatory vaccine should only be applied to those people who work in essential jobs such as healthcare, food industries, supermarket personnel, etc.

The most common reason why people do not get vaccinated is because they are afraid of the side effects and the fake news that circulates on social media.

As for me, having some sort of perks after getting a shot would be fantastic; yes, those who get vaccinated are rewarded, but it still won't persuade people to get vaccinated, and I believe I saw on our local news that they give some money to senior citizens after they get vaccinated so that others will follow.
They read on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, or other local media sources saying about the side effect of being vaccinated.
Before they register to get vaccinated, they must make sure they are healthy and not have any disease because that means you will have a good immune that can protect you from the side effect.
But yes, every vaccine will have different side effects and people who got vaccinated will have a different impact.
The incentive can make them go to hospital and vaccinated, whether they are afraid or not, because that is one program from the government in this pandemic.
Maybe they need to consult with a doctor before vaccinated to convince them that the vaccine is safe for them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bitterguy28 on July 13, 2021, 06:05:48 AM
From a mathematical point of view, this is a very clear case for a rational decision making process  ;D

- Evaluate your chances of being seriously affected by covid.
- Evaluate your chances of getting a nasty secondary effect from the jabs (growing a third arm or getting a trombo).
- Evaluate your chances of winning that lottery.
Supporting all of these mentioned because those are the things we must consider when thinking about vaccination.
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If you are young, you might choose not to get the jab. If you are old, you most likely want to go for it. The funny thing is that the chances of winning the lottery only have a minimal effect so this is all marketing.
While younger generation don't really need to take vaccine because they can stand the virus yet young generation nowadays are the risk takers and they will likely want to become a millionaire for free .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: zanezane on July 13, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
Saw this quite late and it boggles my mind to think that in half of the world, people would kill for vaccines. In another half, people are getting paid and incentivized to take it.

I'd be taking pfizer anyway if I could access, not to mention getting a lottery! Antivaxxers I don't get also, they live such privileged lives.
That's the sad reality, people want to get their vaccines while the privileged ones resist because they think they're smarter than the doctors and scientists who developed the vaccines. The reason for the rise of anti-vaxxers is the fact that the critical thinking skills of many people all over the world has gone much lower compared to the last century or so. We have gone too soft and dumb. Get your vaccines and get that lottery ticket compensation if there's one in your city or country.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Renampun on July 13, 2021, 02:27:15 PM
In my City most of people are distancing from pfizer instead all are aiming for Moderna vaccine because of many claims that pfizer has this side effect that harder to tolerate .
But i believe in Europe it is this vaccine that only allows?



But having this opportunity to be part of lottery while saving your own life from virus is just a bonus because what ever happens it is our life will benefits from this.
lately, I see tough competition on the covid vaccine, slander is inevitable...

Even in my country, moderna wins prestige over pfizer. The direction of our future life is really difficult to predict but if my government held a lottery campaign like this then I would be very supportive and definitely join it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: DU18 on July 13, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)

I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: qwertyup23 on July 13, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Saw this quite late and it boggles my mind to think that in half of the world, people would kill for vaccines. In another half, people are getting paid and incentivized to take it.

I'd be taking pfizer anyway if I could access, not to mention getting a lottery! Antivaxxers I don't get also, they live such privileged lives.
That's the sad reality, people want to get their vaccines while the privileged ones resist because they think they're smarter than the doctors and scientists who developed the vaccines. The reason for the rise of anti-vaxxers is the fact that the critical thinking skills of many people all over the world has gone much lower compared to the last century or so. We have gone too soft and dumb. Get your vaccines and get that lottery ticket compensation if there's one in your city or country.

I find it baffling that there are people who refuse to believe the science of vaccine. I mean, science has already explained in detail the mechanism on how vaccines work, yet lots of people are crafting conspiracy theories about it.

Unfortunately, the only way to convince these close-minded people is to provide merits or compensation for people who are already vaccinated. In this way, even if they do not believe in the science of vaccine, they are at least motivated to get vaccinated in lieu of these rewards.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 13, 2021, 04:21:22 PM

I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.

It's part of encouraging people to take this steps, being vaccinated gives the government some breathing if they will managed to let more people from jurisdiction to take it.

It will lessen  chances of spreading to more people, preventions is really a good way to battle this virus, with this promotions coming from Pfizer, they'll be able to reach out more people to gain interest to take part,

Taking the shots and you'll also have that chance to changed your lifestyle if you got lucky and win the jackpot.  ::)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: DU18 on July 13, 2021, 05:32:36 PM

I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.

It's part of encouraging people to take this steps, being vaccinated gives the government some breathing if they will managed to let more people from jurisdiction to take it.

It will lessen  chances of spreading to more people, preventions is really a good way to battle this virus, with this promotions coming from Pfizer, they'll be able to reach out more people to gain interest to take part,

Taking the shots and you'll also have that chance to changed your lifestyle if you got lucky and win the jackpot.  ::)
what you say is true, if right now the government needs some special tricks to make its people obey the vaccination call like what was done by poland, but the problem now is that some countries are more inclined to apply harsh rules to their citizens if they don't want to do vaccinate and even now my country applies the requirement to include a certificate of having been vaccinated for the processing of important documents and of course what the Polish government has done cannot possibly be applied in a country that prohibits gambling like in my country.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 13, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
It is sad but this is the way it is, it was impossible to expect that this vaccine was going to be developed for 5 years before it was released to the population, this is why if some people oppose to get the vaccine I do not criticize them as the risks are real, this is why we hear stories of people dropping dead a few minutes after they got the vaccine as the vaccine has a higher risk than usual, but that being said as soon as I get the opportunity to get the vaccine I will get it.

I have not read news of people dropping dead after they got a vaccine do you have an article for this, this is scary if this true, some people react negatively to a particular vaccine but not to the point that they are dropping dead, and if this is true the percentage is very low based on their study, so far the vaccination is a huge success even if the virus is mutating.
This is the first article that I have found about it but there are many cases like that, now if we compare the number of people dying immediately after receiving the vaccine compared to all the people that are now protected and will resist the coronavirus then I still think that it is worth to take the vaccine as the virus has killed millions of people, however it will be unfair to deny that the vaccine can have very adverse effects on some people and that the risks are higher than the ones we face with other vaccines.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/man-dies-after-receiving-2nd-pfizer-vaccine/ar-BB1d8Vrf


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: passwordnow on July 13, 2021, 06:40:47 PM
Yes, compared to those that have taken the shot and felt good, there really were those few that didn't have good results as they take the vaccine. It's still not convincing for those that are waiting for the perfect vaccine to come but as long as there's the availability of the vaccine, anyone who's in that place should take it. Poland got this step and their citizens are in a good situation unless there's another situation that their citizens are dealing with just like those countries that got a lot of anti-vax folks.
One of the factors on why people get sick after taking a shot is totally depending on someones health or body condition.Some of my family members had taken a shot of covid vaccine and thats 3 of them.

One had some chills after a day of the vaccine and the other two havent noticed any effects but we know that side effects doesnt really instantly come out specially if severe ones and lets hope
that there would no such instances that might happen but we have seen that there are really people who died because of some side effects.
Hoping that your family members won't experience that many changes in their body as they've become protected with the vaccine. It is important if most of you guys have always been going outside and have to do things on your own.
For the side effects, I do not think that it's all about the side effects. Or let's say that there's a certain thing that it's all about the reaction of the body upon taking the shot but it's not always the case.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 13, 2021, 09:05:57 PM

I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.

It's part of encouraging people to take this steps, being vaccinated gives the government some breathing if they will managed to let more people from jurisdiction to take it.

It will lessen  chances of spreading to more people, preventions is really a good way to battle this virus, with this promotions coming from Pfizer, they'll be able to reach out more people to gain interest to take part,

Taking the shots and you'll also have that chance to changed your lifestyle if you got lucky and win the jackpot.  ::)
what you say is true, if right now the government needs some special tricks to make its people obey the vaccination call like what was done by poland, but the problem now is that some countries are more inclined to apply harsh rules to their citizens if they don't want to do vaccinate and even now my country applies the requirement to include a certificate of having been vaccinated for the processing of important documents and of course what the Polish government has done cannot possibly be applied in a country that prohibits gambling like in my country.

They are really making some initiative on making their citizens to take a shot even ending up into these means which i dont see to be a bad idea but wont be surely to be effective.
People know on what are the odds on hitting lottery and that alone would be a solid reason on why people would really be ignoring this stuff but there are governments which
do impose strict rule about vaccination on where they do end up on making it mandatory and would really be having some specific consequences for those who
do ignore nor does choose not to take a shot which i absolutely oppose into this kind of idea which does show desperation.Everybody should decide on their own and not being forced to do so.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: AmoreJaz on July 13, 2021, 09:18:34 PM

I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.

It's part of encouraging people to take this steps, being vaccinated gives the government some breathing if they will managed to let more people from jurisdiction to take it.

It will lessen  chances of spreading to more people, preventions is really a good way to battle this virus, with this promotions coming from Pfizer, they'll be able to reach out more people to gain interest to take part,

Taking the shots and you'll also have that chance to changed your lifestyle if you got lucky and win the jackpot.  ::)
what you say is true, if right now the government needs some special tricks to make its people obey the vaccination call like what was done by poland, but the problem now is that some countries are more inclined to apply harsh rules to their citizens if they don't want to do vaccinate and even now my country applies the requirement to include a certificate of having been vaccinated for the processing of important documents and of course what the Polish government has done cannot possibly be applied in a country that prohibits gambling like in my country.

They are really making some initiative on making their citizens to take a shot even ending up into these means which i dont see to be a bad idea but wont be surely to be effective.
People know on what are the odds on hitting lottery and that alone would be a solid reason on why people would really be ignoring this stuff but there are governments which
do impose strict rule about vaccination on where they do end up on making it mandatory and would really be having some specific consequences for those who
do ignore nor does choose not to take a shot which i absolutely oppose into this kind of idea which does show desperation.Everybody should decide on their own and not being forced to do so.

what i dont like about this Poland lottery is that they are discriminating other covid vaccines, why only pfizer? am ok with this strategy as other countries or states are also doing some kind of lottery already like in  washington state (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/washington-vaccine-lottery-winner-says-he-got-lucky-first-by-not-getting-covid-19-and-then-by-winning-250000/), and  ohio  (https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohios-1st-million-dollar-vaccine-lottery-winner-revealed/story?id=77918418). the lottery prizes differ from each state to state but they don't mention which vaccine they used. every country or state has their own strategy on how to entice their constituents to get vaccinated but hopefully they won't be picky what type of vaccine they want to include in the lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 14, 2021, 03:00:12 AM
what i dont like about this Poland lottery is that they are discriminating other covid vaccines, why only pfizer? am ok with this strategy as other countries or states are also doing some kind of lottery already like in  washington state (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/washington-vaccine-lottery-winner-says-he-got-lucky-first-by-not-getting-covid-19-and-then-by-winning-250000/), and  ohio  (https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohios-1st-million-dollar-vaccine-lottery-winner-revealed/story?id=77918418). the lottery prizes differ from each state to state but they don't mention which vaccine they used. every country or state has their own strategy on how to entice their constituents to get vaccinated but hopefully they won't be picky what type of vaccine they want to include in the lottery.

All of those who have taken vaccines are eligible for lottery, and it is not just for Pfizer. But Poland is primarily using Pfizer to vaccinate and that may have created some confusion. The largest prize is 1 million zlotys ($273,000). I don't know what prompted this reaction from the government, but the vaccination rates have been quite high in Poland compared to the other countries in the region. Opinion polls indicate that around 70% of the Polish citizens want to get vaccinated (with Pfizer as the main vaccine).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: michellee on July 14, 2021, 09:49:21 AM
I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on July 14, 2021, 10:06:35 AM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)
In my opinion, it's just a government's way of forcing people to get vaccinated because it's difficult to deal with everyone, especially those who don't want to get vaccinated. As long as the covid-19 virus exists, new variants appear out of nowhere, and it is extremely dangerous to allow this virus to exist in the world.

IMO, the government's idea to encourage people to be vaccinated in exchange for a chance to win money is a good one. Yes, it's still a risk, particularly if you distrust vaccines and are willing to get vaccinated for the sake of winning the money. However, I'm very sure that there are just a few people who don't believe in vaccines because they're afraid of what can happen to their bodies, and that fuds are ubiquitous.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Erdogan on July 14, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.

I think there are two things at stake here. As far as I know, treatment in Poland is covered by the state, so certainly a country like Poland would have to spend much more than $ 260k on treatment of people who do not get vaccinated. The second reason is definitely politics, which is showing people how good the government is and how much it cares for its citizens.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.
actually now what is needed is awareness from the public to carry out vaccines and sometimes negative news about vaccine side effects makes people even more afraid and even refuses vaccination and actually the government must be able to guarantee that the vaccine does not have side effects that can affect our health later, I once asked some of my friends who don't want to be vaccinated and they say that they want to wait for a vaccine that is really good and has no side effects at all and I think their reasoning is very reasonable, because in my country the government uses 7 types of vaccines and of course they have different functions so that people are a little confused about the type of vaccine to be used  ;D.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: jostorres on July 14, 2021, 09:14:45 PM
But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet.
Latest news about pfizer side effect.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ukraine-look-into-causes-mans-death-shortly-after-covid-vaccination-2021-07-03/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ukraine-investigates-cause-of-man-s-death-after-vaccine-shot-1.5495465

So i wont be surprised that citizens would really have doubts and also lottery odds isnt really appealing most of the time and isnt worth the risk.
Really mate, you wanna go with this? You want to say that you have seen 3 articles that you didn't even read and you want to go against everyone who are super tired of living in isolation and going outside with just masks with some look of apocalypse going around the world? Alright, I will show you why you should not be someone ANYONE should listen to and why scientists who spent DECADES! trying to learn things like these should be listened instead.

First one is a 13 year old kid that we still do not know if died from vaccination, kid died in his sleep and that's all we know, there wasn't even a side affect impact on him in the first three nights so there is a big chance it was not the vaccination that killed him, plus it is advised not to get the shot before you are 18 years old, since survival rate is already very high for them.

Secondly the guy in Ukraine died four hours later, yet 5 other people that took the same shot had absolutely nothing, and that guy is still NOT KNOW IF HE DIED FROM THE SHOT, so there is no proof of it. There is ZERO PROOF that vaccination kills, if I get the vaccination and then shoot myself with a gun in the head doesn't mean that I died because of the vaccination, people die, and just so happens some of them die after getting the vaccination, doesn't mean the cause is the vaccination, a car could hit them when they walk out of the clinic, doesn't make it vaccinations cause. Calm the f down and get the shot.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Lanatsa on July 14, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.

I think there are two things at stake here. As far as I know, treatment in Poland is covered by the state, so certainly a country like Poland would have to spend much more than $ 260k on treatment of people who do not get vaccinated. The second reason is definitely politics, which is showing people how good the government is and how much it cares for its citizens.
Neither have side motives or actually been concern of  their citizens health then its none of our business and as long they do show off some concern about their citizens then that what matter most.

If it does have some political intention mix up then people aren't that blind in towards to that.Thing here is that if people are really that much willing to take that vaccine or not.

Eligible for some lottery is just a bonus because what matter most here is your safety but don't think that these shots are giving 100% protection so you should still be careful.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: abel1337 on July 14, 2021, 09:33:43 PM
I think the gift giving is a surefire step for Poland to get its citizens to want to vaccinate, in contrast to some countries which are only limited to urging their citizens to vaccinate, and even in my country now has implemented very strict rules and there are also restrictions on activities for the community to prevent the spread of the virus, and in my country there are still many people who are against the government's recommendation to vaccinate so this causes the government a little difficulty.
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.
actually now what is needed is awareness from the public to carry out vaccines and sometimes negative news about vaccine side effects makes people even more afraid and even refuses vaccination and actually the government must be able to guarantee that the vaccine does not have side effects that can affect our health later, I once asked some of my friends who don't want to be vaccinated and they say that they want to wait for a vaccine that is really good and has no side effects at all and I think their reasoning is very reasonable, because in my country the government uses 7 types of vaccines and of course they have different functions so that people are a little confused about the type of vaccine to be used  ;D.
New vaccines are expected to have side effects and its effects depends on the person injected with. It is hard to guarantee that it won't have side effects that's why the government is giving you choices and aren't forcing you to take but they gave good incentives to promote vaccination just like what the lottery in Poland did. Every vaccine has different efficacy and side effects, so it will be up to us or it is better to ask for a doctor's advice on what vaccine should we take. If I found pfizer to be unreliable, I wouldn't really choose it just to join the lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: DoublerHunter on July 14, 2021, 09:57:59 PM
~snip~
Every vaccine has different efficacy and side effects, so it will be up to us or it is better to ask for a doctor's advice on what vaccine should we take. If I found pfizer to be unreliable, I wouldn't really choose it just to join the lottery.
^ Definitely right, all brand of vaccines has a different side effect and I think the most leading brand is Pfizer-BioNTech or know as in short name Pfizer.
This is the only vaccine that you can apply to even teenagers, it is 12 years old above while other brands are allowed only 18 years old above. The pain is moderate compared to the other brand and the outcome after taking an injection are only fatigue and headache while other brands are more worst just like an allergic reaction and even you will experience convulsion. Nevertheless, it is a good choice brand from Poland and for sure all of them will get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: blockman on July 14, 2021, 10:55:09 PM
Maybe that is because that country does not have more funds to create a lottery than Poland, so they only suggest their people vaccinate. I think that will not be a problem because that is for people's health, and people need to realize that. The virus is already spread in many places and there are no signs of stopping, so it is better to follow what is suggested to us, although that still does not fully protect our body and health.
Whether there's a lottery ticket or any sort of giveaway just to get vaccinated, as long as there's already the provision for the vaccine by the government. People must take of that advantage and moment to get the shot as soon as it's available in their category and place.
It's all about health and Poland is just doing its job to maintain its country with a clean and near virus-free environment whether there's a lottery giveaway or not. That is a must in these times but soon, if the covid infection becomes lower and near to being free and eliminated. Everyone on that country can do everything that they want with or without those goodies.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: michellee on July 15, 2021, 12:15:27 PM
I think there are two things at stake here. As far as I know, treatment in Poland is covered by the state, so certainly a country like Poland would have to spend much more than $ 260k on treatment of people who do not get vaccinated. The second reason is definitely politics, which is showing people how good the government is and how much it cares for its citizens.
Two years later will be the time for the election so I guess the government wants to show people how they care about their citizens to come back to the government. It is a good idea for them to attract attention from their citizen because their people can know if their government is doing the right thing for them. Yes, the country needs to allocate big money for their people, which is worth doing.

actually now what is needed is awareness from the public to carry out vaccines and sometimes negative news about vaccine side effects makes people even more afraid and even refuses vaccination and actually the government must be able to guarantee that the vaccine does not have side effects that can affect our health later, I once asked some of my friends who don't want to be vaccinated and they say that they want to wait for a vaccine that is really good and has no side effects at all and I think their reasoning is very reasonable, because in my country the government uses 7 types of vaccines and of course they have different functions so that people are a little confused about the type of vaccine to be used  ;D.
People can get aware if they get well-educate and get informs from the right sources and in this matter, they get it from their government so they do not have to afraid because their government will take care of them. Maybe the government can explain the side effect after the vaccine and what they need to do to minimize the effect on their body. If the government can explain with the right, their people will want to vaccinate, and they will not think about the lottery because that will be a side bonus for the people. I am sure that if we have a good immune before or after vaccinated, we will be okay and we will not feel any side effects because the vaccine will be blend with our immune and make a new immunity to our body.

Whether there's a lottery ticket or any sort of giveaway just to get vaccinated, as long as there's already the provision for the vaccine by the government. People must take of that advantage and moment to get the shot as soon as it's available in their category and place.
It's all about health and Poland is just doing its job to maintain its country with a clean and near virus-free environment whether there's a lottery giveaway or not. That is a must in these times but soon, if the covid infection becomes lower and near to being free and eliminated. Everyone on that country can do everything that they want with or without those goodies.
I am sure if people can take care of themselves better, sooner or later, the virus will end and we will be back to normal life like before. At least, if we are vaccinated, that can reduce the chance of getting infected, although that is not guaranteed. The lottery giveaway is only a bonus for lucky people, so maybe they do not have to think about the prizes.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 16, 2021, 03:38:08 PM
I think there are two things at stake here. As far as I know, treatment in Poland is covered by the state, so certainly a country like Poland would have to spend much more than $ 260k on treatment of people who do not get vaccinated. The second reason is definitely politics, which is showing people how good the government is and how much it cares for its citizens.
Governments are also encouraging people to get vaccinated because we cannot really have people in a perpetual lockdown, if the economy collapsed then the pandemic could be the least of our worries so we need to go back to work and get the economy going once again and this is only possible if the majority of the population is vaccinated, it is not going to be easy or cheap but it is something that is necessary to do.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: pawanjain on July 16, 2021, 04:45:31 PM
That's indeed a nice way to get their citizens vaccinated but I do have some queries here.
Why only pifzer ? What about other covid-19 vaccines ?
I am not really sure if other vaccines are available in Polland but if it is then why isn't government not rewarding those who get the other vaccines as well.

The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 16, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
That's indeed a nice way to get their citizens vaccinated but I do have some queries here.
Why only pifzer ? What about other covid-19 vaccines ?
I am not really sure if other vaccines are available in Polland but if it is then why isn't government not rewarding those who get the other vaccines as well.

The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.

Good question, since there are also other available vaccines maybe possible that pfizers get the majorities and they decided to sponsor this event to gather Polland's citizens attentions

Whatever the reason behind, it's for the betterment of their country in fight with this virus hope that aside from the pot rewards the people also be aware that this virus is not going to stop too soon.

They needed to take the vaccines to lessen the chance of having it and risk their lives.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 16, 2021, 06:41:12 PM
That's indeed a nice way to get their citizens vaccinated but I do have some queries here.
Why only pifzer ? What about other covid-19 vaccines ?
I am not really sure if other vaccines are available in Polland but if it is then why isn't government not rewarding those who get the other vaccines as well.

The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.

I don’t understand what is good about such an initiative? In my opinion, these prizes and lotteries turn a serious event into some kind of clowning, and this is at best. And in the worst case, these tempting promotions make you wonder if everything is so clean here (free cheese only happens in a mousetrap).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: johhnyUA on July 16, 2021, 09:24:36 PM
Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!!

Lol, one of the best ways to motivate people to get vaccinated  ;D
Really smart way. But for honest, there a lot of covid deniers which is impregnable to any kind of motivation and conviction.
And yeah, it would be better to make more prizes. Maybe less, but people would feel more probable to win, so they would get a vaccine for it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fatunad on July 16, 2021, 09:34:56 PM
Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!!

Lol, one of the best ways to motivate people to get vaccinated  ;D
Really smart way. But for honest, there a lot of covid deniers which is impregnable to any kind of motivation and conviction.
And yeah, it would be better to make more prizes. Maybe less, but people would feel more probable to win, so they would get a vaccine for it.
I dont think for it to be the best way but its better rather than have nothing at all and they are doing something which they do really mind of about their citizens safety but to know that
vaccines arent really putting someone on total guaranteed or safety against the virus but at least we do have something in protection rather than have nothing at all.
There would be always those people who dont really mind of about being vaccinated because they are afraid with the side effects which i cant really blame them of but
it would be much more scarier if they dont have protection or immune on the said virus.Government in Poland does really have that good initiative.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: pawanjain on July 17, 2021, 02:19:22 PM
That's indeed a nice way to get their citizens vaccinated but I do have some queries here.
Why only pifzer ? What about other covid-19 vaccines ?
I am not really sure if other vaccines are available in Polland but if it is then why isn't government not rewarding those who get the other vaccines as well.

The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.

I don’t understand what is good about such an initiative? In my opinion, these prizes and lotteries turn a serious event into some kind of clowning, and this is at best. And in the worst case, these tempting promotions make you wonder if everything is so clean here (free cheese only happens in a mousetrap).

I personally think that the government is giving away free money because their citizens might not be following the covid-19 guidelines.
Also, many people hesitate to get vaccinated which might be another why the government is trying hard to get their citizens vaccinated.
The covid-19 virus is very contagious which is why it is absolutely necessary to get everyone vaccinated as soon as possible.
I think it makes complete sense to reward the people getting vaccinated because that's the right way to get out of the situation as soon as possible.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: JohnBitCo on July 17, 2021, 03:34:43 PM
I think there are two things at stake here. As far as I know, treatment in Poland is covered by the state, so certainly a country like Poland would have to spend much more than $ 260k on treatment of people who do not get vaccinated. The second reason is definitely politics, which is showing people how good the government is and how much it cares for its citizens.
Governments are also encouraging people to get vaccinated because we cannot really have people in a perpetual lockdown, if the economy collapsed then the pandemic could be the least of our worries so we need to go back to work and get the economy going once again and this is only possible if the majority of the population is vaccinated, it is not going to be easy or cheap but it is something that is necessary to do.

Its good if government are taking action to make sure people get vaccinated. At the same time, people also willing to get vaccinated and feel themselves save. But the government should not differentiate between different version of the vaccine. If a person has taken pifzer  or any other WHO recommended vaccine, he should be treated with equality who took pifzer.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: acener on July 17, 2021, 06:26:38 PM
I think most country have those kind of let's say gimmick so that the people would get vaccinated.
Sometimes they would have some giveaways for those who would participate and for me I think it is a good one since people do need some assistance from the government due to the pandemic,
Many people have suffered on financial and also mental health.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on July 17, 2021, 06:34:32 PM
I think most country have those kind of let's say gimmick so that the people would get vaccinated.
Sometimes they would have some giveaways for those who would participate and for me I think it is a good one since people do need some assistance from the government due to the pandemic,
Many people have suffered on financial and also mental health.
Not really a gimmick because what would they get for? or would it benefit them? No, the government is really just concern into their citizen which is really a good thing to look

at because if you do really try to look around then there are still lots of hesitation and doubts about taking a vaccine because of side effects.

You might be eligible to a lottery but this isnt really the main concern here but its about into your health.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: just_Alice on July 17, 2021, 09:23:26 PM
That's indeed a nice way to get their citizens vaccinated but I do have some queries here.
Why only pifzer ? What about other covid-19 vaccines ?
I am not really sure if other vaccines are available in Polland but if it is then why isn't government not rewarding those who get the other vaccines as well.

The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.

I don’t understand what is good about such an initiative? In my opinion, these prizes and lotteries turn a serious event into some kind of clowning, and this is at best. And in the worst case, these tempting promotions make you wonder if everything is so clean here (free cheese only happens in a mousetrap).
About the clown part - yes, I agree, involving games and lotteries in all this does seem a bit inappropriate. But, on the other hand, what other choice do they have? People massively refuse to vaccinate.

Regarding free cheese - it's not exactly like that. Indeed, one might be wondering, there are so many other diseases that require vaccination, and I don't remember the governments giving away millions of dollars as an incentive then. But this has a logical explanation.

At this point, the restrictions due to the pandemic have brought so much economical damage (not only to the developing countries but countries within the EU as well), that it actually might be more profitable for them to give away money so that people will vaccinate faster and they can start returning to the normal regimen and work out this mess as soon as possible.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 17, 2021, 09:45:57 PM
I don’t understand what is good about such an initiative? In my opinion, these prizes and lotteries turn a serious event into some kind of clowning, and this is at best. And in the worst case, these tempting promotions make you wonder if everything is so clean here (free cheese only happens in a mousetrap).
About the clown part - yes, I agree, involving games and lotteries in all this does seem a bit inappropriate. But, on the other hand, what other choice do they have? People massively refuse to vaccinate.

Regarding free cheese - it's not exactly like that. Indeed, one might be wondering, there are so many other diseases that require vaccination, and I don't remember the governments giving away millions of dollars as an incentive then. But this has a logical explanation.

At this point, the restrictions due to the pandemic have brought so much economical damage (not only to the developing countries but countries within the EU as well), that it actually might be more profitable for them to give away money so that people will vaccinate faster and they can start returning to the normal regimen and work out this mess as soon as possible.

People massively refuse to get vaccinated for some reason, right? I think it is worth eliminating these reasons. The governments of most countries, WHO officials throughout the entire pandemic constantly lie to people and after that expect trust? This is really weird.
As you rightly noted, the restrictions introduced in the pandemic have caused devastating damage to the economy and people's lives, I think much more than the pandemic itself. And this also does not help citizens trust the authorities and rush to use hastily made vaccines.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 18, 2021, 04:10:10 AM
People massively refuse to get vaccinated for some reason, right? I think it is worth eliminating these reasons. The governments of most countries, WHO officials throughout the entire pandemic constantly lie to people and after that expect trust? This is really weird.
As you rightly noted, the restrictions introduced in the pandemic have caused devastating damage to the economy and people's lives, I think much more than the pandemic itself. And this also does not help citizens trust the authorities and rush to use hastily made vaccines.

There is no "massive" refusal. Even here in India, you won't find more than 5% or 10% of the population who hold that view. For the third world nations, the major issue is with the unavailability of the vaccine and not the refusal from certain sections to get vaccinated. But for the government, this 5%-10% figure is a very big number. Because it hinders the required coverage to attain herd immunity. And I don't think that there was a better option other than imposing the restrictions. Countries such as Brazil and Sweden (which refused to impose restrictions) paid a massive price in terms of loss of lives. 


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: newwest on July 18, 2021, 06:50:31 AM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: aioc on July 18, 2021, 07:05:35 AM


There is no "massive" refusal. Even here in India, you won't find more than 5% or 10% of the population who hold that view. For the third world nations, the major issue is with the unavailability of the vaccine and not the refusal from certain sections to get vaccinated.

People here in our country are lining up and not getting their vaccinated even those who are on a second dose are having issues on their second dosage because of a lack of available vaccine, this is alarming because of the news of delta virus that is more harmful than the original virus, it's hard to be in a poor country when there is a pandemic because you have to find your way to get into the priority list.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: lienfaye on July 18, 2021, 07:18:38 AM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.

The government knows that its an effective strategy to convince the citizens to be vaccinated. It can also cover the worries of people due to the side effects of the vaccines since they are more focus on the lottery and the possible prizes. Though its also by luck, but still thinking that you have a chance to become a lucky winner is a good thing.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: boyptc on July 18, 2021, 10:29:10 AM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: xSkylarx on July 18, 2021, 11:30:00 AM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.

Wow, that's great news. Hopefully, we'll be able to receive it in our country as well. Being vaccinated is a great benefit, and being qualified for the lottery is an added bonus. Even if we don't get anything after getting vaccinated, it's fine with me because my main goal is to be vaccinated and imagine it's free, thus it's fine with me. They are doing it solely to persuade those folks to be vaccinated and not to be afraid of it. Hopefully, the person who wins the lotto is in desperate need of money, so that he or she can utilize it to better his or her life.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: iv4n on July 18, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.

Well, first they tried to scare the world with this pandemic... but I guess they didn't scare us enough, so we are not running to take that vaccine! They are still scaring us with new types, they are giving money/vouchers/lottery tickets just to make us get vaccinated... but I guess many of us are still not scared and interested to participate in this global experiment! The next step is the vaccine is mandatory if you wish to get out of the house!

I don't need motivation, I need the truth!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Woodie on July 18, 2021, 12:10:44 PM
I think the lottery is just there to motivate people to get the vaccine and probably make it something that most people will talk about and spread the word out so that they come in numbers.

Great initiative from the polish government if you ask me because it's very difficult to convince people to get the covid vaccination in any part of the world because of the many rumors that are being spread about the covax.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 18, 2021, 12:21:05 PM
I think the lottery is just there to motivate people to get the vaccine and probably make it something that most people will talk about and spread the word out so that they come in numbers.

Great initiative from the polish government if you ask me because it's very difficult to convince people to get the covid vaccination in any part of the world because of the many rumors that are being spread about the covax.

I don't have any issue with such initiatives. The US state of Ohio recently had such a lottery system and it was wildly successful. But along with these initiatives, they should also try to prosecute those individuals who spread unsubstantiated rumors about the vaccine. My friends in India claim that they have received dozens of WhatsApp messages, claiming that the vaccine would make people impotent. It is important to arrest such people who indirectly cause tens of thousands of deaths. Lotteries alone will not solve the issue of vaccine hesitancy.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Peanutswar on July 18, 2021, 12:48:14 PM
The same with my country they are a lot of campaigns that stating they are having an event such as a raffle to the player who already has their vaccines because some of them don't want to have this that might cause a different effect on their body. This kind of action is a kinda good thing for those people who don't want to have the vaccine but right now there are a lot of things that need to consider such as mandatory vaccination to all the people so they can go outside else if they don't have they cannot go to different establishments. As for now the same with here on us just lottery only to those participants.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 18, 2021, 12:54:42 PM
People massively refuse to get vaccinated for some reason, right? I think it is worth eliminating these reasons. The governments of most countries, WHO officials throughout the entire pandemic constantly lie to people and after that expect trust? This is really weird.
As you rightly noted, the restrictions introduced in the pandemic have caused devastating damage to the economy and people's lives, I think much more than the pandemic itself. And this also does not help citizens trust the authorities and rush to use hastily made vaccines.

There is no "massive" refusal. Even here in India, you won't find more than 5% or 10% of the population who hold that view. For the third world nations, the major issue is with the unavailability of the vaccine and not the refusal from certain sections to get vaccinated. But for the government, this 5%-10% figure is a very big number. Because it hinders the required coverage to attain herd immunity. And I don't think that there was a better option other than imposing the restrictions. Countries such as Brazil and Sweden (which refused to impose restrictions) paid a massive price in terms of loss of lives.  

ORLY?  ::)
In my country, at least 40 percent of ardent antivaxxers (more precisely, opponents of vaccination against covid). The government puts pressure on enterprises to force people to get vaccinated, but many refuse and the struggle goes to the extent that they quit their jobs to avoid getting vaccinated. I do not know 100% what is happening in other countries, but from the information that I receive your numbers and assumptions look wrong.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 18, 2021, 01:23:30 PM
ORLY?  ::)
In my country, at least 40 percent of ardent antivaxxers (more precisely, opponents of vaccination against covid). The government puts pressure on enterprises to force people to get vaccinated, but many refuse and the struggle goes to the extent that they quit their jobs to avoid getting vaccinated. I do not know 100% what is happening in other countries, but from the information that I receive your numbers and assumptions look wrong.

It also depends on the type of vaccine that is used. For example, I have heard that in countries such as Indonesia, Chile and Mongolia, the infection rates have gone up after using the Chinese (Sinovac/Sinopharm) vaccines. So there may be resistance from a large section of the population against using these vaccines. What is the point in taking the vaccine, if it is not effective? Also, the chances of adverse reaction is much higher with Pfizer vaccine, when compared to other vaccines (as much as 10x). These factors can discourage a lot of people from taking the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 18, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
The same with my country they are a lot of campaigns that stating they are having an event such as a raffle to the player who already has their vaccines because some of them don't want to have this that might cause a different effect on their body. This kind of action is a kinda good thing for those people who don't want to have the vaccine but right now there are a lot of things that need to consider such as mandatory vaccination to all the people so they can go outside else if they don't have they cannot go to different establishments. As for now the same with here on us just lottery only to those participants.
I am sure the vaccine campaigns are running in many countries to get attention from their people and asking them to join to have the vaccinated. But the rewards will depend on the funds from the government because not all countries can give incentives to people who want to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the government will think about how they can give rewards to their people so many more will want to vaccinate. However, it is not easy to raise their awareness to be vaccinated, although they see from the news many people dying and suffering in the hospital and their homes.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 18, 2021, 01:55:09 PM
ORLY?  ::)
In my country, at least 40 percent of ardent antivaxxers (more precisely, opponents of vaccination against covid). The government puts pressure on enterprises to force people to get vaccinated, but many refuse and the struggle goes to the extent that they quit their jobs to avoid getting vaccinated. I do not know 100% what is happening in other countries, but from the information that I receive your numbers and assumptions look wrong.

It also depends on the type of vaccine that is used. For example, I have heard that in countries such as Indonesia, Chile and Mongolia, the infection rates have gone up after using the Chinese (Sinovac/Sinopharm) vaccines. So there may be resistance from a large section of the population against using these vaccines. What is the point in taking the vaccine, if it is not effective? Also, the chances of adverse reaction is much higher with Pfizer vaccine, when compared to other vaccines (as much as 10x). These factors can discourage a lot of people from taking the vaccine.

Sure. In my country (Russia), all foreign vaccines are prohibited, and the quality of domestic vaccines is in great doubt. Given the government's endless historical lies and how aggressively it tries to impose vaccination, many people are just as aggressively trying to avoid it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 18, 2021, 02:05:20 PM
Sure. In my country (Russia), all foreign vaccines are prohibited, and the quality of domestic vaccines is in great doubt. Given the government's endless historical lies and how aggressively it tries to impose vaccination, many people are just as aggressively trying to avoid it.

I was always surprised with the low vaccination rates from Russia, despite they being one of the major vaccine manufacturers. They have supplied tens of millions of doses (of the Sputnik V) vaccine to countries such as Argentina and Serbia, and yet only 31.87 million have received at least one dose within Russia (20.6 million fully vaccinated - less than 15% of the population). I heard that the vaccination rate has picked up there, with around 600,000 doses being administered per day. But even at this rate, by the end of this year less than half of the population will be vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 18, 2021, 03:07:36 PM
The same with my country they are a lot of campaigns that stating they are having an event such as a raffle to the player who already has their vaccines because some of them don't want to have this that might cause a different effect on their body. This kind of action is a kinda good thing for those people who don't want to have the vaccine but right now there are a lot of things that need to consider such as mandatory vaccination to all the people so they can go outside else if they don't have they cannot go to different establishments. As for now the same with here on us just lottery only to those participants.
I am sure the vaccine campaigns are running in many countries to get attention from their people and asking them to join to have the vaccinated. But the rewards will depend on the funds from the government because not all countries can give incentives to people who want to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the government will think about how they can give rewards to their people so many more will want to vaccinate. However, it is not easy to raise their awareness to be vaccinated, although they see from the news many people dying and suffering in the hospital and their homes.

I only heard this kind of thing from poland and from where am I there is no available rewards to those who wanted to have the vaccines, though more people here are really aiming to have the vaccines,

Fearing that the virus will hit them up, and with the help of this vaccines the chance will be more lesser.

Lucky for those who have same offers like this, as they got the chance to win decent amount of money after taking the vaccines
that helps them being protected from the threat of Covid virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 18, 2021, 03:11:15 PM
Sure. In my country (Russia), all foreign vaccines are prohibited, and the quality of domestic vaccines is in great doubt. Given the government's endless historical lies and how aggressively it tries to impose vaccination, many people are just as aggressively trying to avoid it.

I was always surprised with the low vaccination rates from Russia, despite they being one of the major vaccine manufacturers. They have supplied tens of millions of doses (of the Sputnik V) vaccine to countries such as Argentina and Serbia, and yet only 31.87 million have received at least one dose within Russia (20.6 million fully vaccinated - less than 15% of the population). I heard that the vaccination rate has picked up there, with around 600,000 doses being administered per day. But even at this rate, by the end of this year less than half of the population will be vaccinated.

I’ll tell you another interesting thing - a huge number of these vaccinated people did not actually get any vaccine. They just paid for the vaccination certificate due to the pressure but avoided this vaccination. I have many such acquaintances, so even these official figures are very far from reality.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 19, 2021, 03:10:24 AM
The same with my country they are a lot of campaigns that stating they are having an event such as a raffle to the player who already has their vaccines because some of them don't want to have this that might cause a different effect on their body. This kind of action is a kinda good thing for those people who don't want to have the vaccine but right now there are a lot of things that need to consider such as mandatory vaccination to all the people so they can go outside else if they don't have they cannot go to different establishments. As for now the same with here on us just lottery only to those participants.
I am sure the vaccine campaigns are running in many countries to get attention from their people and asking them to join to have the vaccinated. But the rewards will depend on the funds from the government because not all countries can give incentives to people who want to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the government will think about how they can give rewards to their people so many more will want to vaccinate. However, it is not easy to raise their awareness to be vaccinated, although they see from the news many people dying and suffering in the hospital and their homes.

I only heard this kind of thing from poland and from where am I there is no available rewards to those who wanted to have the vaccines, though more people here are really aiming to have the vaccines,

Fearing that the virus will hit them up, and with the help of this vaccines the chance will be more lesser.

Lucky for those who have same offers like this, as they got the chance to win decent amount of money after taking the vaccines
that helps them being protected from the threat of Covid virus.
That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Shasha80 on July 19, 2021, 03:44:36 AM
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I am sure the vaccine campaigns are running in many countries to get attention from their people and asking them to join to have the vaccinated. But the rewards will depend on the funds from the government because not all countries can give incentives to people who want to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the government will think about how they can give rewards to their people so many more will want to vaccinate. However, it is not easy to raise their awareness to be vaccinated, although they see from the news many people dying and suffering in the hospital and their homes.
I only heard this kind of thing from poland and from where am I there is no available rewards to those who wanted to have the vaccines, though more people here are really aiming to have the vaccines,

Fearing that the virus will hit them up, and with the help of this vaccines the chance will be more lesser.

Lucky for those who have same offers like this, as they got the chance to win decent amount of money after taking the vaccines
that helps them being protected from the threat of Covid virus.
That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.

Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on July 19, 2021, 04:30:36 AM

Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.

With people who are in suffering in this trying days, this kind of offer will drives them to take the chance.

Aside from taking the vaccines the chance also to win the jackpot will bring them to this, polish government take this step to give some hope
maybe for more people it's still luck that will let them win,

but for the government the shots already dictates that they've already won as this vaccines will help their people to lessen the chance
of getting infected with the virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on July 19, 2021, 11:28:30 AM
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I am sure the vaccine campaigns are running in many countries to get attention from their people and asking them to join to have the vaccinated. But the rewards will depend on the funds from the government because not all countries can give incentives to people who want to get vaccinated. Hopefully, the government will think about how they can give rewards to their people so many more will want to vaccinate. However, it is not easy to raise their awareness to be vaccinated, although they see from the news many people dying and suffering in the hospital and their homes.
I only heard this kind of thing from poland and from where am I there is no available rewards to those who wanted to have the vaccines, though more people here are really aiming to have the vaccines,

Fearing that the virus will hit them up, and with the help of this vaccines the chance will be more lesser.

Lucky for those who have same offers like this, as they got the chance to win decent amount of money after taking the vaccines
that helps them being protected from the threat of Covid virus.
That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.

Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.
It is a smart way to attract people who are willing to be injected with the vaccine and with difficulty searching for the money, which can open their eyes that the lottery can help them survive after vaccination. If all vaccinated people can get the incentive, that will really help them and people will not feel jealous of the winner because they will get the incentive.

Suppose the other countries can see that this can give awareness to their people about the importance of the vaccine while getting the money after the vaccinated. In that case, the number of people who want to get vaccinated will increase. Once the government sees the increases in the number of people who get inject, hopefully, that can prevent the virus transmission among them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 19, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
I’ll tell you another interesting thing - a huge number of these vaccinated people did not actually get any vaccine. They just paid for the vaccination certificate due to the pressure but avoided this vaccination. I have many such acquaintances, so even these official figures are very far from reality.

If the vaccine was used only in Russia and the trials are not completed, then these tactics would make sense. But tens of millions of doses of Sputnik V have been administered in countries around the globe, and a total of 68 countries have given authorization to this vaccine (including some of the European countries). So I don't think that there is any solid reason for this hesitancy, apart from fake rumors. And I have heard that now Russia is witnessing close to 1,000 deaths per day from COVID 19. This is definitely not a good sign.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: crzy on July 19, 2021, 12:24:44 PM
I think the lottery is just there to motivate people to get the vaccine and probably make it something that most people will talk about and spread the word out so that they come in numbers.
This is to attract people to get the vaccine, this is good because the is for the benefits of everybody and to the lucky guy who will win the lottery, he save people from not getting infected and the reward is lottery, such a lucky guy.

Many countries compensate those who will get the vaccine in many ways, if you present your vaccine card in my place you can get discounts on your purchase plus you can travel without having any test aside from your vaccine card. We are slowly getting back to the normal life, the vaccine is what we need right now.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 19, 2021, 12:27:42 PM
I’ll tell you another interesting thing - a huge number of these vaccinated people did not actually get any vaccine. They just paid for the vaccination certificate due to the pressure but avoided this vaccination. I have many such acquaintances, so even these official figures are very far from reality.

If the vaccine was used only in Russia and the trials are not completed, then these tactics would make sense. But tens of millions of doses of Sputnik V have been administered in countries around the globe, and a total of 68 countries have given authorization to this vaccine (including some of the European countries). So I don't think that there is any solid reason for this hesitancy, apart from fake rumors. And I have heard that now Russia is witnessing close to 1,000 deaths per day from COVID 19. This is definitely not a good sign.

It’s easy for you to think this way because you don’t know the local specifics. For example, there is a long-standing tradition of exporting better goods, and distributing much worse goods domestically. I do not know if this is the same in the case of vaccines, but as I already said, the population of the country has a historical distrust of any actions of the authorities. Compulsory vaccination increases this mistrust hundreds of times.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bitterguy28 on July 19, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Sure. In my country (Russia), all foreign vaccines are prohibited, and the quality of domestic vaccines is in great doubt. Given the government's endless historical lies and how aggressively it tries to impose vaccination, many people are just as aggressively trying to avoid it.

I was always surprised with the low vaccination rates from Russia, despite they being one of the major vaccine manufacturers. They have supplied tens of millions of doses (of the Sputnik V) vaccine to countries such as Argentina and Serbia, and yet only 31.87 million have received at least one dose within Russia (20.6 million fully vaccinated - less than 15% of the population). I heard that the vaccination rate has picked up there, with around 600,000 doses being administered per day. But even at this rate, by the end of this year less than half of the population will be vaccinated.

I’ll tell you another interesting thing - a huge number of these vaccinated people did not actually get any vaccine. They just paid for the vaccination certificate due to the pressure but avoided this vaccination. I have many such acquaintances, so even these official figures are very far from reality.
So meaning your country is totally corrupt ? for this to be allowable to happen ? what kind of country and government will allow this very deadly pandemic be taken for granted by their own people?

doesn't  these people realized what they are doing and what they are missing?

it is their health and life at risk here.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 19, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
I’ll tell you another interesting thing - a huge number of these vaccinated people did not actually get any vaccine. They just paid for the vaccination certificate due to the pressure but avoided this vaccination. I have many such acquaintances, so even these official figures are very far from reality.
So meaning your country is totally corrupt ? for this to be allowable to happen ? what kind of country and government will allow this very deadly pandemic be taken for granted by their own people?

doesn't  these people realized what they are doing and what they are missing?

it is their health and life at risk here.

Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: qwertyup23 on July 19, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I think the lottery is just there to motivate people to get the vaccine and probably make it something that most people will talk about and spread the word out so that they come in numbers.

Great initiative from the polish government if you ask me because it's very difficult to convince people to get the covid vaccination in any part of the world because of the many rumors that are being spread about the covax.

I don't have any issue with such initiatives. The US state of Ohio recently had such a lottery system and it was wildly successful. But along with these initiatives, they should also try to prosecute those individuals who spread unsubstantiated rumors about the vaccine. My friends in India claim that they have received dozens of WhatsApp messages, claiming that the vaccine would make people impotent. It is important to arrest such people who indirectly cause tens of thousands of deaths. Lotteries alone will not solve the issue of vaccine hesitancy.

I mean, what do these people get from deceiving the public about the reality of vaccines? It is really hard to comprehend on why anti-vaxxers spread such unsubstantiated rumors given the fact that Science has already proved the efficacy and success rates of vaccines.

Personally and not to offend anyone, I realized that most people who get persuaded easily are also the ones who lack proper education. I am not saying that they are stupid perse, but they are deeply misinformed and easily influenced.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Tumanggor on July 19, 2021, 01:14:01 PM

I mean, what do these people get from deceiving the public about the reality of vaccines? It is really hard to comprehend on why anti-vaxxers spread such unsubstantiated rumors given the fact that Science has already proved the efficacy and success rates of vaccines.

Personally and not to offend anyone, I realized that most people who get persuaded easily are also the ones who lack proper education. I am not saying that they are stupid perse, but they are deeply misinformed and easily influenced.
hoaxes circulating are really not easy to fight. I have been injected with the AstraZeneca vaccine and until now my body is still fine
In my country, even those who want to leave the city must show the vaccine letter. It to force citizens to want to be vaccinated

I strongly refused vaccination at first but if not then my movement was not freely because my offline work a lot of traveling out of town
just trust the science and what I heard that Pfizer is one of the best covid vaccines


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dimonstration on July 19, 2021, 02:32:18 PM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Naficopa on July 19, 2021, 02:38:09 PM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.

Precisely because the vaccines have not been completely clinically proven, they have only been approved for use on a conditional basis.
People know about it and do not want to vaccinate, because why risk it if they are not at risk age and most of them pass covid without symptoms at all.
For the government, however, it is far more profitable to spend $250,000 on encouraging rewards than on hospitalization.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on July 19, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
Yeah, it's really hard to trust the vaccines right now because they might have any hidden effects soon and it's really dangerous if it has.

But right now it's really hard to live in this world knowing that anytime, COVID-19 will reach you and can cause death so it's really advisable to take vaccines right now even we have trust issues with it.

So the government is spending a lot of time encouraging their people to vaccinate because the economy is really affected if the cases and death because of COVID-19 are increasing.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Rruchi man on July 19, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
This is a typical example of positive reinforcement. The addition of a desirable or pleasant stimulus after a behavior. The desirable stimulus reinforces the behavior, making it more likely that the behavior will reoccur. You get vaccinated, there's a high chance of getting rewarded, in this case monetary and material reward. Who wouldn't love that. So, If the next fellow sees that his friend is getting a  PLN200, PLN500 or a motor vehicle for getting vaccinated, he goes to get the vaccine as well. Smart right?

The question I have to ask is why Pfizer 🤔


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 19, 2021, 04:04:40 PM
Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.

Once I used to admire Putin. But the more I hear about him, I realize that all that I heard earlier was just propaganda. Conservatives admire him, because they believe that he is against immigration and he cares about the native Russian people. But it took me two decades to realize that Putin's main support base consists of immigrants from Central Asia and Azerbaijan. And the final nail in the coffin was his behavior during the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, when he allowed the Azeris to conquer historical Armenian land. But it is sad that so many people are dying of COVID, despite the availability of vaccine. Perhaps it is OK to take the vaccine now, since the efficacy has been proven.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 19, 2021, 05:08:15 PM
The second thing is, it's good that the government has found out a way to reward the citizens but wouldn't it be better if the government could reward a little amount to every citizen rather than every 500th or 2000th citizen to get vaccinated.
Most likely they considered this but consulted experts on the subject that told them it was better this way and it does not surprise me, people respond better to bigger prizes, if you were to give a small prize to a higher amount of people they will simply not think much about it since what they can gain is so small and it is not going to change their lives at all, but if you offer a big prize then people are going to get excited about getting it even if the odds are very low they actually do.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: boyptc on July 19, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
It's been said that the shots have some side effects.

But with those that I've seen, I've seen no bad effects including those that have the two doses. I've got friends too that have been shot and got fully vaccinated.

Well, I wish that they lived on Poland so they get a ticket.  :P


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 19, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
I like the idea to an extent if people need to be motivated and those loves lottery will eventually get it as that opens the door if they get vaccinated. So even if somebody is reluctant but this lottery would just force them or willingly they will take it and begin then normal routines. And government is in win-win situation here.
The same in some states in the US.

They've done that and it's very effective since people are also trying to recover from the pandemic and have hope that they probably were the one to get the prize.

It's really motivating if there's something like this although for some, they don't look good at it.
Many governments finds way to convince their people to go and do vaccines, it's very important to have vaccines but it's hard to trust the vaccines yet when their are people who shows some negative side effects. These moves to create activities to boost the vaccines count can help a lot same with some rules that only those who have vaccines are allowed to travel in some tourist spots.
It's been said that the shots have some side effects.

But with those that I've seen, I've seen no bad effects including those that have the two doses. I've got friends too that have been shot and got fully vaccinated.

Well, I wish that they lived on Poland so they get a ticket.  :P
Side effects doesnt show up directly but lets hope that it wont. :)

Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined
are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Getting some lottery ticket for in exchange of your health isnt really that much appealing.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: just_Alice on July 19, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
People massively refuse to get vaccinated for some reason, right? I think it is worth eliminating these reasons. The governments of most countries, WHO officials throughout the entire pandemic constantly lie to people and after that expect trust? This is really weird.
As you rightly noted, the restrictions introduced in the pandemic have caused devastating damage to the economy and people's lives, I think much more than the pandemic itself. And this also does not help citizens trust the authorities and rush to use hastily made vaccines.

There is no "massive" refusal. Even here in India, you won't find more than 5% or 10% of the population who hold that view. For the third world nations, the major issue is with the unavailability of the vaccine and not the refusal from certain sections to get vaccinated. But for the government, this 5%-10% figure is a very big number. Because it hinders the required coverage to attain herd immunity. And I don't think that there was a better option other than imposing the restrictions. Countries such as Brazil and Sweden (which refused to impose restrictions) paid a massive price in terms of loss of lives. 
I don't know, mate, I wish I could say the same about my country. I guess the fact that things are going very bad in India, which people around can see with their own eyes, is enough for people to believe in the dangerousness of this disease and to stand in lines for a vaccinations. In countries with smaller incidence and death rate people still think that coronavirus isn't any more dangerous than a seasonal flu, many believe in conspiracies, and, as a result, more than 50% of the population refuse to take a shot (that's the real number in my country).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: goinmerry on July 19, 2021, 11:41:45 PM
Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.

Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

I don't find a country that is mandating their people to have a vaccine shot. Or if any, maybe the situation is really worst and can't be controlled. That's why we can see lots of offered perks and benefits for those who will undergo a vaccine shot.

If that is mandated then there's no need for perks to encourage people because even they don't want to be vaccinated or not, they have no choice but to follow the law. I'm really confused so I will wait for your response. :)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Shasha80 on July 20, 2021, 02:17:19 AM
That lottery really helps their lives to survive in this pandemic because we know that many people lost their job and many of them suffer because of the search for a new job. But people in other places can not do anything if their government can not do the same thing as what Poland's government did. But people should feel their government trying to concern with their health by giving the vaccine to them to prevent the infection. This pandemic really makes us sad because some of us lost our family, relation, and we still do not know when this will be over. But I believe that the pandemic will end sooner or later and we still need to survive no matter how hard it is.
Actually, lottery has always been in demand by many people, but with the current situation where most people are experiencing financial difficulties.
Lottery offers from the government are sure to get people excited, and the Polish government understands that. Therefore, to make the Polish
population willing to be injected with the vaccine, and also on the other hand the Polish government wants to help the population's finances through
the lottery. In this way two goals can be achieved, this is a very smart idea in my opinion. Hopefully, many other countries will follow it. Because
this pandemic has gone on for too long in my opinion, everyone is very tired, I also hope the pandemic can end soon.
It is a smart way to attract people who are willing to be injected with the vaccine and with difficulty searching for the money, which can open their eyes that the lottery can help them survive after vaccination. If all vaccinated people can get the incentive, that will really help them and people will not feel jealous of the winner because they will get the incentive.

Suppose the other countries can see that this can give awareness to their people about the importance of the vaccine while getting the money after the vaccinated. In that case, the number of people who want to get vaccinated will increase. Once the government sees the increases in the number of people who get inject, hopefully, that can prevent the virus transmission among them.

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 20, 2021, 06:43:21 AM
Sure. How could it be otherwise if one person has been in power for 20 years in a row? And by the way, I do not think that the authorities care much about the high mortality rate - in fact, the deaths of the elderly only increase the possibilities of the authorities as the number of pensioners is decreasing.

Once I used to admire Putin. But the more I hear about him, I realize that all that I heard earlier was just propaganda. Conservatives admire him, because they believe that he is against immigration and he cares about the native Russian people. But it took me two decades to realize that Putin's main support base consists of immigrants from Central Asia and Azerbaijan. And the final nail in the coffin was his behavior during the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, when he allowed the Azeris to conquer historical Armenian land. But it is sad that so many people are dying of COVID, despite the availability of vaccine. Perhaps it is OK to take the vaccine now, since the efficacy has been proven.

I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on July 20, 2021, 09:02:29 AM

Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.

Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Obito on July 20, 2021, 09:06:42 AM
This is a typical example of positive reinforcement. The addition of a desirable or pleasant stimulus after a behavior. The desirable stimulus reinforces the behavior, making it more likely that the behavior will reoccur. You get vaccinated, there's a high chance of getting rewarded, in this case monetary and material reward. Who wouldn't love that. So, If the next fellow sees that his friend is getting a  PLN200, PLN500 or a motor vehicle for getting vaccinated, he goes to get the vaccine as well. Smart right?

The question I have to ask is why Pfizer 🤔
Probably some executive in Pfizer is a friend of the executive in the lottery in Poland so that's one of the many speculative reason or probably because of the data that Pfizer had on it's effectivity that they were chosen. I think that this positive reinforcement is a good one because it helps with the bolstering the number of people getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 20, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
I do not want to go offtopic, but I can confirm that the local population under Putin is dying out at an accelerated pace (even according to official statistics, which are completely false). As for the fight against the pandemic, it has completely failed and this is the government's fault. By the way, initially they generally denied it and constantly discredited any foreign vaccines. It is not surprising that after that the population does not believe in the effectiveness of the domestic vaccine either.

Somewhere I read that there were around 30 million excess deaths (over births) among the native Russian population, during the three decades after 1992. Overall, there is no decrease in the total population, because almost 30 million foreigners have migrated to Russia during the same period (half of them being ethnic Russians and the other half being Central Asian).



One of the reasons why the Poland government is going ahead with this is because counterfeit copies of the Pfizer vaccine has been seized in that country. Therefore a lot of people are hesitant in taking the vaccine. Details here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-56844149


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: agustina2 on July 20, 2021, 07:29:30 PM
Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Quidat on July 20, 2021, 07:59:17 PM
Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.
Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 20, 2021, 08:16:50 PM

Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Mahanton on July 20, 2021, 10:28:47 PM

Yes, its part of human rights where everyone does have the rights on to agree or refuse on a certain thing and getting vaccinated is someones choice and not to be forced on.
I do understand on some people on why they dont really like to get vaccinated because of the potential risk that they do read up online which i cant say if it was true
or just simply those implications caused by other factors and not really on the vaccine itself and due to lots of possible misinformation in the net then its really hard to believe on whats the truth.
Its a personal choice neither you do agree or not and no one is forcing you to do so.

Not mandated but the government is eager to let everyone get involve in taking the vaccines from where am I now, though unlike Poland where they are offering this lottery,

Here there's none but the hope that vaccines will be embrace to lessen the chance of more spread of this virus. I agree that it's up to the people whether he'll take the vaccine or not, part of his right for whatsoever reason there are still people who don't believe with this virus.

Social medias and those news that circulating all over the internet are mostly influenced the decision of those who still un-vaccinated.
If they werent serious then they wont really mind on taking actions or showing of some concerns on how they would treat out their citizens and also its also a privileged for those

people who do get a chance on getting a ticket after doing a thing which is really also protecting their lives and thinking or seeing the whole picture then its really a win-win situation for the citizen.

They are really just too paranoid when it comes to side effects as if they are minding that much off that those things will kill them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: shield132 on July 20, 2021, 10:44:13 PM
They say that Vaccination is mandatory but at the same time do everything to push you to vaccinate. It's not right, isn't it discrimination when the taxes are collected from everyone and you only make free lottery for those who vaccinate? It's not really fair. Now some countries push the society to vaccinate by pushing business/companies to do everything to make work impossible for unvaccinated people. What a shame!

- Why the prize pool is only limited to Pfizer vaccine? So if someone got another vaccine like moderna or spotnick he won't be eligible for win ?
As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Shasha80 on July 20, 2021, 11:58:16 PM
Of course the number of people who want to be vaccinated is increasing with the lottery offers provided by the Polish government.
But the Polish government must also be able to anticipate if there is a crowd, because there will be many people who will queue to get the vaccine.
Hopefully when waiting in line there will be no transmission, for fear that before getting the vaccine injection, these people will catch the virus.
So it is also necessary to control and supervise the Polish government so that this does not happen, don't let a good goal turn into a bad ending,
because people waiting in line for vaccines can transmit the virus to each other.
Oh Yes! safety protocols should be the priorities beforehand, those who will participate needs to have face shields and Mask to lessen the chance of this

spread while waiting for their turns, the lottery may attract larger amount of people it's best to anticipate and have a better plans.

Good to see that in order to gather those people to participate this Polish government find interesting way to attract their attentions, just need
to make sure that everything are working together to ensure the safety of all those people who will gather around,.

Health protocols must be strictly enforced and violators should be given sanctions. so those who will queue to get the vaccine can be orderly.
It is also possible for the Polish government to limit the number of people who will be vaccinated, and also vaccine injection can be in several
places to avoid crowds. One more important thing there must be strict supervision from the Polish government for the authenticity of the vaccine
to be given to the population, because in my country there are those who replace injectable vaccines with other fluids, because the price of
vaccines is now quite expensive, so be a good business.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: hahay on July 21, 2021, 02:41:24 AM
I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right?
So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 22, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
Here on our country where its already a mandated thing for you to do so on where you should take a vaccine and there are rumors that citizens who wont be accepting or get themselves vaccined are to be penalized or something like that which it turns out to be not that good or appealing since we do have our own personal rights in terms of our choices.
Is this legit or serious? What's your country?

Curious to know what country is this too. Searching the internet, I have also found no one.

Here in our country, vaccination is not mandatory but the government highly encourages the public to get vaccinated and be protected against preventable disease as per Health Department. I think that was against human rights for those people that don't like to be vaccinated because it has a penalty or violation for not getting a vaccine. The vaccine should be a choice.
I agree, as much as I would like for everyone to receive the vaccine at the end of the day every single person needs to decide on their own if they want to get it, after all it is their body and they can decide what they want to do with it, what governments need to do is not to force people but to address the fears that people have over getting the vaccine, like those wild conspiracy theories and the fear they could die because of the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Naficopa on July 22, 2021, 05:17:34 PM
I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right?
So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.

The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: macson on July 22, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
snip

The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.
research on Pfizer's impact on the human body is still not finished so it's not good to speculate.  here we are all vaccinated with moderna, besides pfizer, moderna also got some issues about the bad impact on humans.  The Polish government is really creative in campaigning for vaccinations, i hope my government does the same "lol" (give citizens who are willing to be vaccinated a lottery)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 22, 2021, 06:15:06 PM
The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: iv4n on July 22, 2021, 07:42:31 PM
The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

Nice thinking KTCchampions! But knowing governments, they will probably try to hide that! In my opinion, the entire pandemic situation is fraudulent and immoral... especially now when they are trying to "buy" people to get that vaccine! As I said before, the next step will be forcing people to take it... it will be mandatory!

Meanwhile, directors in pharmaceutical companies are buying crazy houses worth millions of dollars... that industry is fucking us all, they are making so much money we can't even imagine! And looks like they will have a guaranteed profit for the next years!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fortify on July 22, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Months before we heard a news where to increase the chances of people getting vaccinated they government gave them a chance to win prizes, lotteries and even in some countries you are allowed to travel for free. Yet again the Government of Poland announced quite an unusual prize for people who have gotten pifzer. You are eligible to participate in the lottery plus the prizes are up to 260,000$!!!! Which is a great news. But unfortunately only 35% of the people in Poland are vaccinated yet. Not only that read this :
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From 1 July every 500th person to take the dose will receive a cash prize of PLN200, while every 2,000th person will receive PLN500. The Polish Government will be giving away five prizes of PLN50,000 every week for three months, alongside the incentive each month to receive PLN100,000 and a Toyota Corolla for two lucky winners. The final winners will scoop up the PLN1m and a Toyota CH-R each... If you were thinking of moving to Poland, then now’s your chance. And if you need an electric scooter, they’re flogging them too, 720 to be precise.


Now that's a gamble that you gotta try! If you are from Poland then you have to get the shot! I do think this is an interesting gamble for the people there what do you think ? ?

 https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery (https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/12395/pfizer-for-prizes-as-poland-launches-covid-lottery)

It seems like the main reward for getting vaccinated should be the great protection it offers you against dying - we've seen in heavily vaccinated countries that hospitalization rates for vaccinated people are way lower compared to the beginning of the pandemic, along with a large cut in the death rate. However anything that can get people who are undecided or ambivalent towards it should be praised. There seem like far too many countries where disinformation has been allowed to spread unchecked and who will ultimately suffer much worse, along with prolonging this devastating disease which has had a cure produced in an exceptionally fast time.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: smyslov on July 22, 2021, 09:21:20 PM

As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?



They are all the same they have undergone clinical studies and have passed regulatory and testing I have been vaccinated by China's vaccine and although I was lucky to have a choice of other vaccines then if I only wait, I got the vaccine that is available, people should not be picky if there are available just go for it, especially if you are living in a third world country like me, the most important is you get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 23, 2021, 04:27:29 AM
When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

Many of the governments have published data on adverse affects reported after the vaccination. A have seen one such report from Argentina, which claims that 2 out of 1 million doses have resulted in death. That translates to a possibility of 0.0002%. So what do you prefer? A 0.0002% chance of dying from the vaccine, or 7% chance of dying from the delta variant (as reported from India)? I am not saying that you need to trust the government figures. In reality, it may be 0.002% instead of 0.0002%. But even then, there is a huge difference between 0.002% and 7%. 


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: verita1 on July 23, 2021, 04:38:28 AM
The world is upside down. While there are people who want to get vaccinated, others do not want to. It is obvious that the Polish government is doing everything possible so that its population makes the determination to get vaccinated against Covid19. The incentives are magnificent, I admire the country of Poland for the desire that its population is safe.

On the other hand, in my country I was entering the website where we must make an appointment for a notification to arrive indicating the day of vaccination and I have noticed that my city does not appear on the list. I think the website needs updating.

I would like to add something from a Covid19 case. A famous singer from my country after overcoming Covid19. He has suffered the sequelae of the virus and he is suffering from peripheral neuropathy, his relatives say that he has started from scratch to speak, etc. This is a message that he sent to his fans.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CRnJVVWAjU8/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CRnJVVWAjU8/?utm_medium=copy_link)

Chyno Miranda official YouTube channel
https://youtube.com/c/CHYNOMirandaOficial (https://youtube.com/c/CHYNOMirandaOficial)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on July 23, 2021, 04:50:39 AM
As I know it's hard for countries to get the Pfizer vaccine and I don't think they have a surplus of it (idk to be fair) but I also don't know whats wrong with Moderna? I understand that Sputnik V is a Russian vaccine and Poland people don't like Russia but what's wrong with other vaccines for them?
They are all the same they have undergone clinical studies and have passed regulatory and testing I have been vaccinated by China's vaccine and although I was lucky to have a choice of other vaccines then if I only wait, I got the vaccine that is available, people should not be picky if there are available just go for it, especially if you are living in a third world country like me, the most important is you get vaccinated.
I think that will because that country has a bilateral relationship with the country that produces the vaccine so their government only allow some company from that country.
But the important thing is the government is trying to get the vaccine from the health company to distribute to their hospital or the other health center.
Getting vaccinated will be important as that is one thing that the government concern about so far to help their citizen and give more protection to prevent the virus.
Hopefully, people's awareness will increase and they will want to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 23, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

Many of the governments have published data on adverse affects reported after the vaccination. A have seen one such report from Argentina, which claims that 2 out of 1 million doses have resulted in death. That translates to a possibility of 0.0002%. So what do you prefer? A 0.0002% chance of dying from the vaccine, or 7% chance of dying from the delta variant (as reported from India)? I am not saying that you need to trust the government figures. In reality, it may be 0.002% instead of 0.0002%. But even then, there is a huge difference between 0.002% and 7%. 

7% ?  ;D Do you really believe it?
Tomorrow they will say that the mortality rate is 70%, and the day after tomorrow - 700%  ;D
Do you remember how this "pandemic" began? All these videos from China with people who fell in the middle of the street and died ... Something like this I have not seen anywhere else later. And I lived for two years already in a pandemic and none of my friends died, although many were sick, but the symptoms were similar to the usual flu.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 24, 2021, 03:42:04 AM
7% ?  ;D Do you really believe it?
Tomorrow they will say that the mortality rate is 70%, and the day after tomorrow - 700%  ;D
Do you remember how this "pandemic" began? All these videos from China with people who fell in the middle of the street and died ... Something like this I have not seen anywhere else later. And I lived for two years already in a pandemic and none of my friends died, although many were sick, but the symptoms were similar to the usual flu.

I have to disagree with you, because I have seen people dying in front of my own eyes. When the pandemic started, it was widely believed that only the elderly people are at risk. And for the original strain it was true. Until 2021 March or so, the mortality rate in India was only around 1% and it was near zero for those less than 45 years of age. But all the hell broke loose in April. The Delta strain spread to every nook and corner of India and the mortality just sky-rocketed. The 7% figure that I had posted is from a study in the city of Bangalore. Link here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/covid-19-7-fatality-rate-last-week-is-bengalurus-highest-ever-this-year/articleshow/83296528.cms

And more worryingly, the mortality rate for the younger people went up by around 20x, from 0.1% to around 2%. In my neighborhood, the majority of the COVID deaths during the last 3-4 months were those who aged below 45 years.



Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 24, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
7% ?  ;D Do you really believe it?
Tomorrow they will say that the mortality rate is 70%, and the day after tomorrow - 700%  ;D
Do you remember how this "pandemic" began? All these videos from China with people who fell in the middle of the street and died ... Something like this I have not seen anywhere else later. And I lived for two years already in a pandemic and none of my friends died, although many were sick, but the symptoms were similar to the usual flu.

I have to disagree with you, because I have seen people dying in front of my own eyes. When the pandemic started, it was widely believed that only the elderly people are at risk. And for the original strain it was true. Until 2021 March or so, the mortality rate in India was only around 1% and it was near zero for those less than 45 years of age. But all the hell broke loose in April. The Delta strain spread to every nook and corner of India and the mortality just sky-rocketed. The 7% figure that I had posted is from a study in the city of Bangalore. Link here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/covid-19-7-fatality-rate-last-week-is-bengalurus-highest-ever-this-year/articleshow/83296528.cms

And more worryingly, the mortality rate for the younger people went up by around 20x, from 0.1% to around 2%. In my neighborhood, the majority of the COVID deaths during the last 3-4 months were those who aged below 45 years.

Hmmm...

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During this period, the city witnessed 25,699 fresh Covid-19 cases and 1,797 deaths.

I think this is another example of a statistics curve. There are more than 8 million inhabitants in Bangalore, and only 25 thousand are infected by the "terribly contagious disease"?  ::)
I think that only one conclusion can be drawn from this data: very few tests are done there and only almost fatal cases of infection are recorded. If we take into account all those who are easily tolerated or asymptomatic, then this terrible 7 percent will turn into tenths of a percent, as in all other countries.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 25, 2021, 03:42:15 AM
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During this period, the city witnessed 25,699 fresh Covid-19 cases and 1,797 deaths.

I think this is another example of a statistics curve. There are more than 8 million inhabitants in Bangalore, and only 25 thousand are infected by the "terribly contagious disease"?  ::)
I think that only one conclusion can be drawn from this data: very few tests are done there and only almost fatal cases of infection are recorded. If we take into account all those who are easily tolerated or asymptomatic, then this terrible 7 percent will turn into tenths of a percent, as in all other countries.

Can't fully agree with your statement. Obviously some infections were not reported, but there was an under-count with the deaths as well. The real death toll in India from the second wave (April-May 2021) was somewhere around 4-5 million. But the officials reported it at around 1/20th of that number.

There were 4.9 million excess deaths during this period:
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/2nd-covid-wave-was-india-worst-tragedy-since-partition-saw-up-to-49-lakh-excess-deaths-1830894-2021-07-21

So it may not be 7%, but 3% or 4%. Still I don't believe that it may be 0.1% or 0.2% as you claim. And Delhi was the worst affected city during the second wave (not Bangalore, where the majority of the case were not from Delta). Almost every family I know in Delhi lost at least one member during this period. Many of them were in their 30s or 40s and didn't had any comorbidity.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 25, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
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During this period, the city witnessed 25,699 fresh Covid-19 cases and 1,797 deaths.

I think this is another example of a statistics curve. There are more than 8 million inhabitants in Bangalore, and only 25 thousand are infected by the "terribly contagious disease"?  ::)
I think that only one conclusion can be drawn from this data: very few tests are done there and only almost fatal cases of infection are recorded. If we take into account all those who are easily tolerated or asymptomatic, then this terrible 7 percent will turn into tenths of a percent, as in all other countries.

Can't fully agree with your statement. Obviously some infections were not reported, but there was an under-count with the deaths as well. The real death toll in India from the second wave (April-May 2021) was somewhere around 4-5 million. But the officials reported it at around 1/20th of that number.

There were 4.9 million excess deaths during this period:
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/2nd-covid-wave-was-india-worst-tragedy-since-partition-saw-up-to-49-lakh-excess-deaths-1830894-2021-07-21

So it may not be 7%, but 3% or 4%. Still I don't believe that it may be 0.1% or 0.2% as you claim. And Delhi was the worst affected city during the second wave (not Bangalore, where the majority of the case were not from Delta). Almost every family I know in Delhi lost at least one member during this period. Many of them were in their 30s or 40s and didn't had any comorbidity.

But as we know from European countries, the statistics were distorted not only towards a decrease in deaths from covid, but also towards an increase - when death for any reason (but with an accompanying covid) was recorded as death from covid.
I strongly doubt that we can make any adequate estimates based on official data from corrupt government organizations.
I think we should wait for more or less objective factors that are almost impossible to distort - for example, excess mortality. If this strain is so terrible (I don't believe it) then we should see a major jump in this figure.

P.S. By the way, this morning I read on Twitter that it seems that a new strain has already been identified that is even more infectious and deadly. This series will never end  ;D
It is strange that the releases of the new episodes of this series coincide with the massive demonstrations against lockdowns that have covered many countries now  ::)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 25, 2021, 12:21:33 PM
But as we know from European countries, the statistics were distorted not only towards a decrease in deaths from covid, but also towards an increase - when death for any reason (but with an accompanying covid) was recorded as death from covid.
I strongly doubt that we can make any adequate estimates based on official data from corrupt government organizations.
I think we should wait for more or less objective factors that are almost impossible to distort - for example, excess mortality. If this strain is so terrible (I don't believe it) then we should see a major jump in this figure.

P.S. By the way, this morning I read on Twitter that it seems that a new strain has already been identified that is even more infectious and deadly. This series will never end  ;D
It is strange that the releases of the new episodes of this series coincide with the massive demonstrations against lockdowns that have covered many countries now  ::)

New strains are being reported from all over the world. Even the Delta strain in India has mutated into an even more contagious strain called Delta plus. Right now the focus is on this strain, because it is causing a lot of damage to countries such as Indonesia and Thailand. Even the UK has reported a spike in number of new infections, due to this particular strain. Dozens of strains have been identified till now, and one other strain that has been studied widely is the Colombian strain (B.1.621), that has spread to other countries.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 25, 2021, 01:02:55 PM

If they werent serious then they wont really mind on taking actions or showing of some concerns on how they would treat out their citizens and also its also a privileged for those

people who do get a chance on getting a ticket after doing a thing which is really also protecting their lives and thinking or seeing the whole picture then its really a win-win situation for the citizen.

They are really just too paranoid when it comes to side effects as if they are minding that much off that those things will kill them.

Some still thinks that way,

those who are paranoid about the possible side effects continue to decline what the government is asking them to do,
they are more on doubting instead of thinking positively.

And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 25, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
Some still thinks that way,

those who are paranoid about the possible side effects continue to decline what the government is asking them to do,
they are more on doubting instead of thinking positively.

And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.

Personally I find it odd that the government has to provide the vaccines for free, and at the same time convince the population with offers such as lotteries. Here in India, a lot of misinformation is being spread regarding the vaccines and the government hasn't done much to stop it. Whenever they took some action to curb such propaganda, the supreme court told them to stay out, as it was termed as suppressing the freedom of speech. In the end, the anti-vaxxers not only harm themselves, but also others who listen to them. Check this news, from the United States about one such individual who refused the vaccines:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57958358


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: goinmerry on July 25, 2021, 02:18:22 PM
I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right? So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.

Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 25, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.

I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: BuNga_cute on July 25, 2021, 02:31:11 PM
I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right? So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.

Everyone's mindset is different, so not a few people refuse to be injected with vaccines because they doubt the vaccine is really safe. Although there is
a lot of evidence and explanations from health experts that say vaccines are safe for humans, it still can't convince everyone. Therefore, there is a need
for other ways to make the doubters change their minds, and one of them is by offering a lottery. Usually people when it comes to prize money, are
always interested and enthusiastic. Especially with the current situation where so many people are experiencing a financial crisis. The lottery offered
by the Polish government should make many people interested in injecting the vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: qwertyup23 on July 25, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
I don't understand what their purpose is to give gifts to those who are vaccinated because after all, in the end if this virus really exists then vaccination will definitely be done, right?
So, all choices return to each individual, if they still want protection and safety for themselves then of course they will also vaccinate and that is enough with an appeal and not because of getting a prize or lottery.

The purpose of giving any benefits/prizes to people who are vaccinated is to at least compel people to get vaccinated. There are lots of people that are unvaccinated who spread false information about it. The problem is, most people who are unvaccinated believe these conspiracy theories which affects the general public in the transmission of the virus.

By providing any prizes or privileges to the vaccinated, even if you do not believe that vaccines work, there is a higher chance that you would comply due to the prizes given. Unfortunately, when anti-vaxxers become very close-minded, the only way to compel them to get vaccinated is to provide monetary benefits.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 25, 2021, 02:51:49 PM
But as we know from European countries, the statistics were distorted not only towards a decrease in deaths from covid, but also towards an increase - when death for any reason (but with an accompanying covid) was recorded as death from covid.
I strongly doubt that we can make any adequate estimates based on official data from corrupt government organizations.
I think we should wait for more or less objective factors that are almost impossible to distort - for example, excess mortality. If this strain is so terrible (I don't believe it) then we should see a major jump in this figure.

P.S. By the way, this morning I read on Twitter that it seems that a new strain has already been identified that is even more infectious and deadly. This series will never end  ;D
It is strange that the releases of the new episodes of this series coincide with the massive demonstrations against lockdowns that have covered many countries now  ::)

New strains are being reported from all over the world. Even the Delta strain in India has mutated into an even more contagious strain called Delta plus. Right now the focus is on this strain, because it is causing a lot of damage to countries such as Indonesia and Thailand. Even the UK has reported a spike in number of new infections, due to this particular strain. Dozens of strains have been identified till now, and one other strain that has been studied widely is the Colombian strain (B.1.621), that has spread to other countries.

To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on July 25, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.

Can't agree with this assumption. Because only one variant has been reported from countries that have achieved a good vaccination coverage (Kent variant, from the United Kingdom). No variants have been reported from the EU, US or China, where the maximum doses of the vaccine has been administered. Maximum number of mutant strains have been reported from Brazil, India, South Africa and Colombia, where the vaccination coverage is lower than the global average (although Brazil has significantly increased it's vaccination rate over the last 1-2 months).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Naficopa on July 25, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
The point is, many people is affraid of these vaccines. They have been approved without a complete clinical examination - for which it takes several years, not several months. But overall they should help, so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.

When we talk about mathematics, we mean global values (at least in this case), but what will the government say if a person dies from vaccinations (there have already been a lot of such cases), which he went to make because of the incentive to get a prize? In such specific cases, it will look as immoral and fraudulent as possible.

This is just a prize and it is only one of the vaccines available. Everyone can still decide whether they want to be vaccinated or not. I agree with you that this is a risk, but anyway I believe that vaccination is than leave virus without reaction to the end of clinical research. Even if someone believes they are immune to the virus, there is still a possibility that they will spread the virus and infect others. Even if the statistics related to coronavirus deaths are inflated, I'm sure there will be far fewer deaths among vaccinated people.

However, if we look at it as a gambling (lottery) related to human health, it does indeed look very unethical. But what can we expect from politicians !?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on July 25, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.
Lets be real, how many clinical trails can be done from the pandemic started till the vaccines started to come out for commercial use. It will be a record in modern history that they came out with a vaccines without much clinical trial and then expect everyone to trust them.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.
You can provide incentives and attract people but that does not make it trust able for everyone, i do not fall for these antics even though i am not against vaccines but i want a 100% certainty that it is safe and anything below that i will not administrate.  


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: snipie on July 25, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
Wrong. The Swedish model is a big failure, the death rate is 3x World's mean and even politicians there admitted their mistake.
Herd immunity alone is a joke and will never be achievable with this virus since every damn mutation might infect people again and again. I know many people who was contaminated twice and thrice and yes symptoms aren't mild in all cases.
To resolve this problem once for all, ALL countries have to achieve +90% vaccination coverage in few weeks. Like that the risk of having a new mutant will be very low and we can get ride of it. Otherwise we will keep living with +50% "features" locked!
BTW Poland made a clever way to encourage people getting the shots, other countries are giving money...


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 25, 2021, 05:22:44 PM
so for the government is better spend a proportionately small amount of money for prizes and encouraging people to get vaccinated than risking another wave of infections and paying for treatment in hospitals. In my opinion, this is about math and expenses.
Which is not wrong, when it comes to your health that principle applies all the time, people spend their times doing things that deteriorate their health and then it comes to a point in which they develop a chronic disease that is expensive and that takes away years and a great deal of their quality of life, if instead they decided to develop good habits they could have avoid it but they refuse, this is the same, the vaccine will not stop people from contracting the virus but you will be protected and in the case you get it it would not as bad as it could have been.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 25, 2021, 09:04:39 PM
To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.
Wrong. The Swedish model is a big failure, the death rate is 3x World's mean and even politicians there admitted their mistake.
Herd immunity alone is a joke and will never be achievable with this virus since every damn mutation might infect people again and again. I know many people who was contaminated twice and thrice and yes symptoms aren't mild in all cases.
To resolve this problem once for all, ALL countries have to achieve +90% vaccination coverage in few weeks. Like that the risk of having a new mutant will be very low and we can get ride of it. Otherwise we will keep living with +50% "features" locked!
BTW Poland made a clever way to encourage people getting the shots, other countries are giving money...

But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate.
Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.

By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: snipie on July 25, 2021, 10:10:54 PM
But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate.
Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.

By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021)
Sweden’s failed COVID strategy leaves the country deeply divided (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/swedens-failed-covid-strategy-leaves-the-country-deeply-divided/)
It all depends on how strong a country medical structure is, in terms of hospitals, oxygen beds...etc
If you switch Sweden by any other country with weak healthcare system, the result will be more disastrous and we all saw how catastrophic the situation was in India although they taken several restrictions measures...
I agree that being vaccinated doesn't mean there will be no more mutation, that's why I insist that a massive vaccination is the only solution to stop this shit. Otherwise it will be a 6 - 12 months vaccination for years...
BTW vaccine doesn't kill the virus, our strengthen immune system does.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on July 25, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.

I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater.
You cant really force anyone to do so because that kind of mindset on where they do really believe that there would be some side effects even myself is been thinking on that matter.

Its really a bit insulting that it isnt being trusted by most people as a scientist then you would really be having this kind of impression.

Government at least showing off some dedication on trying to give a shot in all into its citizens but expect that there would really people who wont really be tending to get a shot no matter what.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on July 26, 2021, 04:26:30 AM
Because the mindset of everyone is not the same. People are worried because they think that vaccines are made rush even, in reality, it was rush in the sense that it was prioritized and focused by health experts around the world and done countless clinical trials.

To convince those doubters that don't want to hear the real benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine, there are lots of things and benefits offered to them just to convinced them to undergo vaccine and lottery is one of the examples.

I feel bad for the scientists who worked really hard to develop these vaccines. Offering freebies and lotteries to those who are reluctant to get vaccinated is like insulting these individuals. It is giving an indirect message that the vaccines are not good enough and therefore the government needs to encourage people to get vaccinated by handing out offers. But then, it is necessary as well. If a large group of people remain unvaccinated, then it gets hard to achieve herd immunity and the possibility of further mutations of the virus will also be greater.
You cant really force anyone to do so because that kind of mindset on where they do really believe that there would be some side effects even myself is been thinking on that matter.

Its really a bit insulting that it isnt being trusted by most people as a scientist then you would really be having this kind of impression.

Government at least showing off some dedication on trying to give a shot in all into its citizens but expect that there would really people who wont really be tending to get a shot no matter what.
Expect that. but better to have more people to accept this vaccines, and by this kind of efforts people will take part.

The hope of winning and the chance that the government is providing to their citizens just to convince many to take this shots.

Who knows what luck permits to those people who will participate right? not to drag anyone but for some, surely interest got into their mind after realizing the worth of the pot money.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: robelneo on July 26, 2021, 04:33:16 AM

To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.

All the right information you need about vaccination and how important it is are everywhere, the WHO did not fail to give all the news and updates the world needs to combat this virus, this is the time that we accept that knowledge is power, this virus is extremely dangerous you just have to check what happens to India and Indonesia to know that this virus should not be taken lightly and we should know how to protect and combat it, and so far the only way is to get vaccinated.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: yazher on July 26, 2021, 05:00:51 AM

To be honest, I don't really trust all these findings, and strange that their sharp surge began after vaccines were invented and began to be widely used. In the first year of the pandemic, nothing like this was observed. This prompts certain thoughts. At the moment, the newest strain is very actively infecting vaccinated people, I do not really understand the meaning of vaccination in this case.
I am looking forward to the development of events with interest, but it seems to me that humanity will have to return to the Swedish model (early) and just survive covid like the flu.

All the right information you need about vaccination and how important it is are everywhere, the WHO did not fail to give all the news and updates the world needs to combat this virus, this is the time that we accept that knowledge is power, this virus is extremely dangerous you just have to check what happens to India and Indonesia to know that this virus should not be taken lightly and we should know how to protect and combat it, and so far the only way is to get vaccinated.

So far this is the only "Pfizer" vaccine available in our country that has low risk compared to others and everyone in the city is recommended to take the vaccine as soon as possible before the Delta Variant spread here. In that case, there will be no doubt that we will run out of vaccines when that happens and those who are hard-headed will regret not taking advantage of the free vaccine when it was available. We need to cooperate with the health workers because we've been in this pandemic for long enough unlike the other countries in the west looks like they already winning and more likely ending the pandemic in their country while we are still prevented from going out without using both faces mask and face shield.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 26, 2021, 05:36:52 AM
But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate.
Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.

By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.

Did you checked the numbers from Sweden? Till now, they had 1,096,799 infections (the total population is just 10 million) and 14,615 deaths. These are huge numbers, and without any doubt the worst for any European country. For comparison, these are the total number of deaths for the neighboring countries - 799 for Norway and 978 for Finland. Even if you take in to account the difference in population, the mortality rate in Sweden is at least 10 times higher than the neighboring nations. Still want to argue that the Sweden model worked? Even now they are having approx. 500 cases per day.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 09:49:36 AM
But now they have lower rates of illness and death, despite the fact that there are practically no restrictions and there is no compulsion to vaccinate.
Mass vaccination, as you suggest, is really a joke. It will never be real given the fact that many will never agree to it for reasons of principle.

By the way, there is a theory that if a vaccine kills the original virus, then it contributes to the emergence of new, heavier strains, as it opens the way for them.
Coronavirus: Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021)
Sweden’s failed COVID strategy leaves the country deeply divided (https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/swedens-failed-covid-strategy-leaves-the-country-deeply-divided/)
It all depends on how strong a country medical structure is, in terms of hospitals, oxygen beds...etc
If you switch Sweden by any other country with weak healthcare system, the result will be more disastrous and we all saw how catastrophic the situation was in India although they taken several restrictions measures...
I agree that being vaccinated doesn't mean there will be no more mutation, that's why I insist that a massive vaccination is the only solution to stop this shit. Otherwise it will be a 6 - 12 months vaccination for years...
BTW vaccine doesn't kill the virus, our strengthen immune system does.

Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).


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Post by: Karartma1 on July 26, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
In the meanwhile, updated data from Israel suggests possible waning in effectiveness of Pfizer mRNA drug.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.html
This means that a third dose is certainly gonna be inevitable and, moreover, that the virus will get more and more resistant to the drug. I agree with those scientists who say that it's a truly bad mistake to start any vaccination during an ongoing epidemic.
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Analyzing the government’s national health statistics, researchers estimated that the Pfizer shot was just 39 percent effective against preventing infection in the country in late June and early July, compared with 95 percent from January to early April.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: blockman on July 26, 2021, 11:04:56 AM
And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: peter0425 on July 26, 2021, 11:10:44 AM
And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.
Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: goinmerry on July 26, 2021, 04:29:15 PM
Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .

Mate, you are misinformed. Medical experts won't just create a vaccine that will just minimize the effect of those who contradicts it. Aside from boosting the immune system, it will also reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

That's my thinking before but after some good talks and conversations with our friends in the health and medical field, I've now been more informed and that's the reason why I undergo a vaccine and also encourage people (not forcing them) to have it with or without perks from and benefits like a lottery or something else.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 26, 2021, 05:04:15 PM
And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.

It gives cnfidence but with the new variant it's still better to continue following the safety protocols. I see your point though and with this vaccines it helps improving your immune system to protect you much better than those who haven't got the shots.

Poland government is doing their best to help their people not to make things more complicated, while giving them also a chance to win
good amount of money from the vaccine's maker.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: snipie on July 26, 2021, 07:47:17 PM
Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).
I will start with the fact that countries not accepting each other vaccination. This is partially true and politically motivated. France (mainly) hates Russia and China so they were blocking the introduction of these vaccine in Europe. I will not deny that Russia didn't show the whole study to proof the efficiency of its vaccine but this was not the case for Chinese ones. They even attacked directly European countries that imported Russian/Chinese vaccines. Chinese one was accepted by WHO BTW..
To answer the first statement with an example as you did but applicable for human, how much vaccine we have until now for infectious diseases? It depends from countries for sure but many have dozen obligatory vaccines. Did you hear about smallpox? Polio?...etc
The virus mutate naturally so it is normal to find it mutating in vaccinated people and will continue to mutate until we stop its wide spread. If we can blame something for vaccination is the fact that contributed to the huge rise of World population and the shift of classic death from infectious diseases to cardiovascular ones. BTW KTChampions, I am not talking like that as an ordinary person but as someone who has enough experience in this field :)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on July 26, 2021, 08:13:40 PM
And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.
Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .
Do you have any proof with this?

People had already taken the vaccine would turn out to be asymptomatic? Yeah, we are aiming for immunity and cure but i dont really believe on this stuff.This is why

i do really ask out for some source basing on what you do have said.Vaccine is for sure but it turns out that people are too paranoid when it comes to side effects.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 26, 2021, 08:29:42 PM
Have you ever heard about Marek's disease (chicken)? And the history of vaccination against it? Vaccination has led to the emergence of stronger strains and now, without vaccination, birds are guaranteed to die (before vaccination, nothing like this happened). Please look for information about this and tell me your opinion (I will not give you links as I read about it in my native language).
As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths (which were mentioned above) even close.

By the way, as a supporter of world vaccination, you must have heard that many countries do not accept each other's vaccines? For example, in mine, all vaccines are prohibited except for our local ones (which are shit).
I will start with the fact that countries not accepting each other vaccination. This is partially true and politically motivated. France (mainly) hates Russia and China so they were blocking the introduction of these vaccine in Europe. I will not deny that Russia didn't show the whole study to proof the efficiency of its vaccine but this was not the case for Chinese ones. They even attacked directly European countries that imported Russian/Chinese vaccines. Chinese one was accepted by WHO BTW..
To answer the first statement with an example as you did but applicable for human, how much vaccine we have until now for infectious diseases? It depends from countries for sure but many have dozen obligatory vaccines. Did you hear about smallpox? Polio?...etc
The virus mutate naturally so it is normal to find it mutating in vaccinated people and will continue to mutate until we stop its wide spread. If we can blame something for vaccination is the fact that contributed to the huge rise of World population and the shift of classic death from infectious diseases to cardiovascular ones. BTW KTChampions, I am not talking like that as an ordinary person but as someone who has enough experience in this field :)

Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: STT on July 26, 2021, 08:41:03 PM
What Poland is trying to do is entirely sensible, part of why a vaccine works is it stops the spread and mutation and repeated threatened effects that occur from constant circulation.   People who refuse and keep storing via a relay the virus in the community unfortunately increase the time there is a threat overall.     Approaching Winter there is a normal threat of flu to old people and also increasing threat from the cold and people staying indoors more so; a program to increase the take up of a vaccine is entirely sensible & fiscally justifiable in giving prizes vs the cost to society and economy overall from less activity and likely lower tax revenue ie. its a valid investment.


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As for India, I am sure that by the end of the year, despite this super terrible and super lethal strain and weak medicine in the country, we will not see any 7% of deaths

The latest strain spreads more easily, maybe twice as easily which is bad but the actual survival rate is the same so far as I know which is some small comfort.
India and every country has advantages to its particular make up and India has one of the lowest average ages to their population world wide so I agree. Its very unlikely the majority will really suffer as badly as say Japan could do with their average age being massively high, it could devastate that country.   Obviously deaths will occur but India should be able on average to last with health less damaged, the best thing they can do is separate out and have the young take the majority of risk in terms of transmission obviously there is a shortage of vaccine so there is no ideal fix.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: harizen on July 26, 2021, 08:46:22 PM

Those who aren't in favor of the vaccine (not here in the forum but people around me) are saying negative views about it on which in the first place, it should be out of their league since are they aren't even health experts or working in the health industry field? What I mean is, how can they conclude that vaccine is just an all-around sh*t?. And this encouragement offered by the government is even considered as sh*t also.

There is no 100% protection against the virus, even the vaccine. However, at least it gives up some boost to our immune system alongside our own ways of healthy living. Better than f*uc*ing nothing. People from other countries are even lucky to have a good supply. If you don't want that, tell your government to just donate it to those poor countries.

For those people who don't want to get vaccinated, it's better if they will just do some less talk since, after all, they are not forced to undergo vaccine.

The Poland government is doing its best to educate people while at the same time, offering something good in return. That was a great and good initiative towards their people.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: blockman on July 26, 2021, 09:40:16 PM
And yes, it's a win-win to those who'll going to accept the vaccines, just take it as protecting your life while having that
opportunities to win huge amount of money from the lottery.
It's not only about protecting your life but it's also about protecting the lives of others so that they can also be secured as you when you're going from point a to point b. And knowing that you've been vaccinated, it's easy and will give peace of mind to the people that you hang out with. I'll try to look for some other news in Poland and how's the vaccination process is going there and if there are more people who have chosen to get vaccinated with a Pfizer vaccine and what are the other available vaccines that they have in their country in possession.
Wrong mate, you must not give Peace of Mind in those you will joined to after being vaccinated because the more you got the vaccine is the more you will become asymptomatic meaning you can carry the virus without other people knowing that you are a carrier and this will give more complications for possible spread .
I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: snipie on July 26, 2021, 10:47:12 PM
Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.
Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: OgNasty on July 27, 2021, 01:47:48 AM
I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: rodskee on July 27, 2021, 02:09:10 AM

I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?
I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on July 27, 2021, 02:40:59 AM
I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: jaberwock on July 27, 2021, 12:53:44 PM
I understand that "anti-vaxx" became a thing lately in the world, people were denying vaccination for the most common stuff, hell even measles became a thing again because of these people.

However humanity is not ready for anti vaxx people to start debating if we should be getting covid vaccination or not, the other smaller stuff we can handle few not vaccinated but this is huge, we are talking about 4+ million people dead because of it, the alternative is there, we know what happens when you are not vaccinated, the results are clear, we lived a whole year without them and the result was 4+ million deaths, anyone who doesn't get vaccinated is basically saying "I am going to survive, screw everyone else" which is not even guaranteed, you may die, but even in case that you do not, that still means that you are fine with one year 4+ million death scenario, because that is what we got from covids first year which was without any vaccination. There is ZERO alternatives to vaccination, it is just death all around you.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on July 27, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Sure. Of course I have heard about these diseases and vaccines for them. But since you speak as a person who understands the issue, then do you really not see the difference? Those vaccines are strong and practically guarantee complete protection against the disease, and all covid vaccines are weak - they guarantee absolutely nothing. And this is the main problem with weak vaccines - they create the basis for new mutations because they do not completely kill the disease and its spread.
Mount Everest is the tallest so theoretically harder and more dangerous to climb, in fact K2 which is shorter, is worst to climb and more deadly.
Vaccine isn't invented to kill the virus, it just contains a part of it to allow our bodies to recognise it faster once it enters so our immune system will be prepared and effective. It is like knowing your enemy in advance in a battle so you can prepare yourself and build a better strategy. Weak/strong vaccines? It all depends from the virus itself, how fast it mutates and whether it is human only or can infect animals too. Eradicating a human only transmitted disease is possible but requires a lot of vaccination efforts and years, many years of patience.
Back to my first example about mountains, I just want to point that without studies and experiments, we will keep thinking what should look obvious, but in fact it is not.

Edit: I don't want to continue discussing this here since I feel we get off topic, personally I rarely talk about vaccination, everyone is free to do whatever they want, they just have to assume the consequences of their actions towards themselves, their families, their friends, colleagues, pregnant and fragile people that was on contact with them directly or indirectly.

Ok, back to the lottery (by the way, I don't see any news in this thread about how it actually goes)  ;)
Everything else can be talked about later, since in fact now no one knows what is happening and what kind of behavior will be best for everyone. I hope we will all be safe and sound and then we can discuss this pandemic as a past disaster.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: michellee on July 27, 2021, 01:36:45 PM
I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.

Biometrics needs to be given, right? Pfizer vaccine is essentially a mRNA vaccine, so taking multiple shots should not result in any serious complication. Most of the recipients suffer from mid fever and body-pain, which will be gone in a couple of days. Here in India, an ID document needs to be submitted before the vaccination. Most of us opt for the Aadhar card, which contains biometrics such as fingerprint and retina scan. So it is very difficult to get a jab using fake identification. Don't know how the things are in Poland. But I don't think that it will be easy to get a jab with fake ID.
The government will identify their citizen's ID and make sure that the vaccine can be given to the right person. The government will have a database of its people. Those who register their ID with the government will get a call from the government to get vaccinated. In the place or hospital, people need to reregister before they get vaccinated. I think the government will use the same method to define who is the winner of the lottery to give to the right person. But I do not think that people will want to try to get vaccinated repeatedly because that can give them a side effect on their bodies.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: snipie on July 27, 2021, 05:40:43 PM
I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.
Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on July 27, 2021, 05:52:58 PM
I wonder if somewhere there's a gambling addict who has been jabbed a couple dozen times with fake identification information in the hopes they win this lottery?  I'd like to think no, but we all know it's probably happened.  I'm a bit shocked that governments are resorting to what amounts to preying on those with mental health problems and those who are bad at math in order to entice people to do what they want.  Makes you wonder why they think bribing people for wanted behavior is acceptable and where they got that idea from.
Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

I like the idea since it's reality that there is gambling addicted people who will see this as an opportunities to have a much wider chance winning the lottery, sad to say that people out of greed for money can harmed themselves and very much willing to gamble with this kind of opportunities.

We don't know though if how Poland government handle this in terms of verification, to make sure that only one time / 2 completed shots per person are allow, nothing more for the sake of securities.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: blockman on July 27, 2021, 06:18:21 PM
I think you misunderstood what the vaccine is all about. Those unvaccinated people are the ones that won't give you peace of mind because they're likely to have that feeling and they're not protected from severe hospitalization. Unlike the vaccinated ones, they're the ones that are giving peace of mind to the people that they hang out with because they are protected. Yes, they might be infected again but it's not severe as the ones that haven't taken the vaccine. But let's say if that's the case, Poland is doing it wrong when they've advertised some lottery incentive for their vaccinated people through a certain brand?
I think you are the one who misunderstood the vaccine mate , Even if you are not prone from severe hospitalization and not to be affected bad by the virus yet the Virus you can carry are the same on what virus carried by non vaccinated.

Means vaccinated or not we can carry a Virus that can badly effect those non vaccinated.

So this runs that never be confident if we have already a vaccine because the spread will not stop unless all the people become immune by having a vaccine.
With the first sentence, you've said, there's already a conflict. As you said, it's going to help you avoid severe hospitalization if you ever catch the virus again. And it's about your protection when you get vaccinated, who cares about the nonvaccinated ones? if they do not get their own doses, they're the ones that are putting their lives on the line so it's their problem not the problem of those who are already vaccinated. And in the last sentence you've said, it's about immunity and it is why everyone has to be vaccinated which what you have said is really conflicting and contradicting.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 27, 2021, 07:01:20 PM
Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: michellee on July 28, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.
They can not impersonate their family members with their ID because the government will prevent it by re-registering before people get vaccinated. It can break the law and maybe they will get in jail for some time or pay the fine because of doing that. I am lucky not to get any bad effects after being vaccinated. I get Pfizer too, but I feel only sleepy for two days and after that, I do not get any effect. But the effect will be different from the other people because I have friends and other family members who get different effects although they get Pfizer.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Silberman on July 28, 2021, 05:02:34 PM
It gives cnfidence but with the new variant it's still better to continue following the safety protocols. I see your point though and with this vaccines it helps improving your immune system to protect you much better than those who haven't got the shots.

Poland government is doing their best to help their people not to make things more complicated, while giving them also a chance to win
good amount of money from the vaccine's maker.
This is the posture that we need to take, those that were fortunate to receive the vaccine already got too confident and the same was true for governments for allowing them to do their regular activities without taking precautions, now a third wave, or whatever number of wave we are in, is going on with more resistant and dangerous strains, we still need to take care of ourselves even if you have received the vaccine already as the pandemic is far from over.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: molsewid on August 06, 2021, 05:34:35 AM
This is the posture that we need to take, those that were fortunate to receive the vaccine already got too confident and the same was true for governments for allowing them to do their regular activities without taking precautions, now a third wave, or whatever number of wave we are in, is going on with more resistant and dangerous strains, we still need to take care of ourselves even if you have received the vaccine already as the pandemic is far from over.

Today, I am too desperate to get vaccinated whatever the brand of the vaccine available for me because of the surge of another variant of virus that circulating around in my country especially I am located in a city area where there's a lot of people and it frighten me, worrying my own health and also worrying about our family since I'm always out of the house for a job. But if I could only choose which vaccine that I would like to get a dose with Pfizer is my first option however being lived in a third world country I think it seems I don't have any other choice than receive which brand is available.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bitterguy28 on August 06, 2021, 05:39:14 AM
any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: virasog on August 06, 2021, 06:37:39 AM
Honestly with all drama about vaccine, I doubt there will be people trying to get 2 additional jabs at least in the first 3 months after the first 2 jabs. I mean at least most people will not even think about that unless few gambling-addicted citizens. Even though, passing online verification require a good hacker. Not sure about Poland specifically but most countries are using verification system that contains data of their citizens. Getting a jab instead of someone else (recently dead family member with similar characteristics?) might eventually be possible in case there isn't a biometric verification at the moment of vaccination? Other methods require a lot of efforts and money and might end up locked in the prison for a long time.
To resume, it depends from countries, very hard to do irl, risks >> benefits.

If you try to get an additional jab by impersonating as your family member, it is a criminal offense and in case you are not lucky, then you may be imprisoned for a few months at least. It is a very remote possibility that someone would attempt such a thing. Apart from the legal consequences, getting the Pfizer jab is not a very pleasant experience (I got the jab two months back, and suffered from back pain and fever for a couple of days). Medically, there is nothing wrong if you receive 3 doses instead of 2. It is not recommended, because the vaccines are in short supply.

No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 07, 2021, 04:11:04 AM
No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.

I wouldn't prefer anyone taking more than two doses of the vaccine, because globally we are facing a severe shortage of the vaccines. And the delta strain is now spreading even to developed nations, because they had hoarded all the vaccine stocks in the initial stages and the mutated strains appeared in developing nations where most of the population remained unvaccinated. It doesn't matter whether there are side effects or not. At this moment, it is not ethical to take more than two doses. Those who want can do that, once the pandemic is contained.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Peanutswar on August 07, 2021, 04:17:47 AM
No matter there may be side effects of vaccines but most of the business have made it mandatory to get vaccinated to access thier services. We have seen this trend in gambling industry also.
Also you should not take more dozes of vaccines, unless you have a reason for it and more importantly prescribed by the doctor.

I wouldn't prefer anyone taking more than two doses of the vaccine, because globally we are facing a severe shortage of the vaccines. And the delta strain is now spreading even to developed nations, because they had hoarded all the vaccine stocks in the initial stages and the mutated strains appeared in developing nations where most of the population remained unvaccinated. It doesn't matter whether there are side effects or not. At this moment, it is not ethical to take more than two doses. Those who want can do that, once the pandemic is contained.

Due to having become more, expose to the virus there's a chance that the virus got mutation and adopt the environment on it but today right now they are trying to have a rule of having a mandatory vaccine to the people and they don't have any kind of proof they will not have any rights to go outside and went to different establishments today. But due to having this mandatory, there's a problem they are now having a shortage in vaccine supplies. I think they will must focus on vaccines first before opening an establishments.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: uneng on August 08, 2021, 12:36:03 AM
any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.
Many people were declared winners because there were several rewards. The total amount including cash and prizes were about 4,79 million euros. Some people were rewarded in cash, while others won electric scooters and toyota corolla cars. About 2,8 million of people participated the lottery and every 500th and 2000th participant were instantly rewarded with cash rewards.

Found these informations here: Over 2.8 million people register for Polish vaccine lottery (https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-28-million-people-register-for-polish-vaccine-lottery-23458)


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 08, 2021, 03:11:04 AM
Due to having become more, expose to the virus there's a chance that the virus got mutation and adopt the environment on it but today right now they are trying to have a rule of having a mandatory vaccine to the people and they don't have any kind of proof they will not have any rights to go outside and went to different establishments today. But due to having this mandatory, there's a problem they are now having a shortage in vaccine supplies. I think they will must focus on vaccines first before opening an establishments.

In my country, they haven't yet made it mandatory, because vaccines are not available in enough doses. But here many of the completely vaccinated people are testing positive for the virus, and in some cases hospitalization is also required. The vaccine used here is mostly AstraZeneca and that may be a reason for this. Trails have shown that AstraZeneca is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Sputnik V was approved many months ago, but the government is creating so many obstacles to import the doses and therefore it is not available in most of the states.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: boyptc on August 08, 2021, 06:58:43 AM
any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.
Many people were declared winners because there were several rewards. The total amount including cash and prizes were about 4,79 million euros. Some people were rewarded in cash, while others won electric scooters and toyota corolla cars. About 2,8 million of people participated the lottery and every 500th and 2000th participant were instantly rewarded with cash rewards.

Found these informations here: Over 2.8 million people register for Polish vaccine lottery (https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-28-million-people-register-for-polish-vaccine-lottery-23458)
Thanks for that information.

I'm also about to ask the same question and want to know if there really are winners since this was posted a month ago already.

Those folks that have won cars, just wow.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: lienfaye on August 08, 2021, 08:02:39 AM
any news what is the outcome of the lottery ? does anyone declared a winner? there are several countries that also offered the same but there are still no news if someone was allotted wins from the events.
Many people were declared winners because there were several rewards. The total amount including cash and prizes were about 4,79 million euros. Some people were rewarded in cash, while others won electric scooters and toyota corolla cars. About 2,8 million of people participated the lottery and every 500th and 2000th participant were instantly rewarded with cash rewards.

Found these informations here: Over 2.8 million people register for Polish vaccine lottery (https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-28-million-people-register-for-polish-vaccine-lottery-23458)
Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 08, 2021, 09:45:57 AM
In my country, they haven't yet made it mandatory, because vaccines are not available in enough doses. But here many of the completely vaccinated people are testing positive for the virus, and in some cases hospitalization is also required. The vaccine used here is mostly AstraZeneca and that may be a reason for this. Trails have shown that AstraZeneca is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Sputnik V was approved many months ago, but the government is creating so many obstacles to import the doses and therefore it is not available in most of the states.

I would have thought many times before giving myself the AstraZeneca vaccine - I heard that its use will be completely discontinued in the EU by the end of the 21st year due to the many complaints of side effects.
As for the Sputnik V, this is an even more dangerous vaccine (in my country it is mainly used and even in my close circle there are many examples of its negative effect on vaccinated people).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: uneng on August 08, 2021, 07:36:06 PM
Thanks for that information.

I'm also about to ask the same question and want to know if there really are winners since this was posted a month ago already.

Those folks that have won cars, just wow.
You are welcome. Glad I could help.
Those vehicles were nice prizes, indeed.

Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.
At first I didn't like the idea of rewarding people for getting vaccinated very much. But looking now how rewards were distributed I changed my opinion a little bit, because they didn't selected few winners only. There were tons of prizes besides cash rewards, so many people were benefited by this lottery. Besides scooters and corollas every 500th and 2000th participants were rewarded, that is a lot of people in a competition with almost 3 millions of members. Per my calculations it's more than 7000 people winning just the instant prizes.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: dunfida on August 08, 2021, 07:58:39 PM
In my country, they haven't yet made it mandatory, because vaccines are not available in enough doses. But here many of the completely vaccinated people are testing positive for the virus, and in some cases hospitalization is also required. The vaccine used here is mostly AstraZeneca and that may be a reason for this. Trails have shown that AstraZeneca is not as effective as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Sputnik V was approved many months ago, but the government is creating so many obstacles to import the doses and therefore it is not available in most of the states.

I would have thought many times before giving myself the AstraZeneca vaccine - I heard that its use will be completely discontinued in the EU by the end of the 21st year due to the many complaints of side effects.
As for the Sputnik V, this is an even more dangerous vaccine (in my country it is mainly used and even in my close circle there are many examples of its negative effect on vaccinated people).
Yeah its been banned or been stopped on some countries due to complications of said vaccine with high probability of getting those side effects.I do just feel pity into those who got the shot since the symptoms

could only be felt after 6 months and not on the time or week after on being vaccinated. As for Sputnik V, i dont see for it to be totally safe since its new then it couldnt still able to assure that it wouldnt

be imposing any side effects too.There might be no signs as of this moment but lets see on upcoming months to come and this is why vaccines that are been tested for 5 years at least before
producing into the masses.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 09, 2021, 03:45:12 AM
I would have thought many times before giving myself the AstraZeneca vaccine - I heard that its use will be completely discontinued in the EU by the end of the 21st year due to the many complaints of side effects.
As for the Sputnik V, this is an even more dangerous vaccine (in my country it is mainly used and even in my close circle there are many examples of its negative effect on vaccinated people).

From my own experience I would say that AstraZeneca is useless against the mutant strains. In my neighborhood, there were two cases that required hospitalization, even after completely vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine. The other vaccine that is being used here (Covaxin) also has a very low efficacy against the Delta strain. And here the government has so far refused to approve the more efficient vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen.etc), since they believe that if these vaccines are made available then no one will go for the locally manufactured ones.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on August 09, 2021, 04:19:01 AM
Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.
I think people more concern with their health after they get vaccinated because until now, many bad news in social media told them that the vaccine can not stop the spread of the virus. The prizes is for attracting them and courage them to follow what their government suggest. Well, we do not know what impact that people will get after they vaccinated as the impact itself will be different from one person with another. But if the vaccine is one thing that the government suggested, maybe people should follow it and get protection from the mutated virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Fredomago on August 09, 2021, 09:19:10 AM
Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.
I think people more concern with their health after they get vaccinated because until now, many bad news in social media told them that the vaccine can not stop the spread of the virus. The prizes is for attracting them and courage them to follow what their government suggest. Well, we do not know what impact that people will get after they vaccinated as the impact itself will be different from one person with another. But if the vaccine is one thing that the government suggested, maybe people should follow it and get protection from the mutated virus.

The prize money is to attract people to take the vaccine, but the major reason is to get them into this and try to lessen the spread of this virus, we don't know how and until when this virus will evolve as of this moment  another variant is hitting most of the places around the world and the virus is helping plus those safety protocols.

The focus of the government is to convince more from their jurisdiction that this virus is not going disappear right away, it will continue to threat our health better to take side and enhance your chance not to get infected.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: finaleshot2016 on August 09, 2021, 10:22:05 AM
Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.
I think people more concern with their health after they get vaccinated because until now, many bad news in social media told them that the vaccine can not stop the spread of the virus. The prizes is for attracting them and courage them to follow what their government suggest. Well, we do not know what impact that people will get after they vaccinated as the impact itself will be different from one person with another. But if the vaccine is one thing that the government suggested, maybe people should follow it and get protection from the mutated virus.

The prize money is to attract people to take the vaccine, but the major reason is to get them into this and try to lessen the spread of this virus, we don't know how and until when this virus will evolve as of this moment  another variant is hitting most of the places around the world and the virus is helping plus those safety protocols.

The focus of the government is to convince more from their jurisdiction that this virus is not going disappear right away, it will continue to threat our health better to take side and enhance your chance not to get infected.
Yes, there is a hidden goal here; why would you associate vaccination with gambling if you didn't have an agenda, right? Of course, gambling is one of the simplest ways (if you're lucky) to win a large sum of money, so people will try this lottery because they've already been vaccinated and take note that this is free if got pfizer. This is a wise government strategy for dealing with their people in this current pandemic, to reduce active cases and hold citizens accountable for not spreading the virus everywhere.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Oasisman on August 09, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Yes, there is a hidden goal here; why would you associate vaccination with gambling if you didn't have an agenda, right? Of course, gambling is one of the simplest ways (if you're lucky) to win a large sum of money, so people will try this lottery because they've already been vaccinated and take note that this is free if got pfizer. This is a wise government strategy for dealing with their people in this current pandemic, to reduce active cases and hold citizens accountable for not spreading the virus everywhere.

I guess the target here is to get everyone vaccinated. Some people may not want to be vaccinated because they're afraid of the long term effect, thus they would rather choose not to get the dose. So, this will somehow encourage those who doesn't want to get the vaccine.
But this might be the Pfizer's idea so their government will choose to purchase the Pfizer vaccine.
Nevertheless, there has been a lot of money involved in combating the pandemic, most of these money has been pocketed by the greedy politicians.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on August 09, 2021, 01:25:12 PM
Yes, there is a hidden goal here; why would you associate vaccination with gambling if you didn't have an agenda, right? Of course, gambling is one of the simplest ways (if you're lucky) to win a large sum of money, so people will try this lottery because they've already been vaccinated and take note that this is free if got pfizer. This is a wise government strategy for dealing with their people in this current pandemic, to reduce active cases and hold citizens accountable for not spreading the virus everywhere.

I guess the target here is to get everyone vaccinated. Some people may not want to be vaccinated because they're afraid of the long term effect, thus they would rather choose not to get the dose. So, this will somehow encourage those who doesn't want to get the vaccine.
But this might be the Pfizer's idea so their government will choose to purchase the Pfizer vaccine.
Nevertheless, there has been a lot of money involved in combating the pandemic, most of these money has been pocketed by the greedy politicians.

More on the Pfizer part, they are willing to bring this idea since the money that will flow once the government convince everyone to take the vaccines.

Pot money is just a small portions of what they can get after winning the deal and closing everything within Poland's jurisdictions.

Business that will bring them huge profits which really possible if more will be convinced either because of the money that stake or the variant that keeps on spreading all over the place.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: qwertyup23 on August 09, 2021, 05:28:07 PM
Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Naficopa on August 09, 2021, 09:17:57 PM
Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!


If the spread of the virus is not stopped, restrictions will definitely be introduced again. Any restriction on mobility, that is, restriction of freedom. I think that the idea of creating a lottery with prizes for people who get vaccinated is a good idea. In my opinion, it is better to encourage vaccinations, not to force to them through restrictions on freedom.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlfebz2 on August 09, 2021, 09:28:25 PM
Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!


If the spread of the virus is not stopped, restrictions will definitely be introduced again. Any restriction on mobility, that is, restriction of freedom. I think that the idea of creating a lottery with prizes for people who get vaccinated is a good idea. In my opinion, it is better to encourage vaccinations, not to force to them through restrictions on freedom.
I dont see for it to be a good idea but somehow there are people who got really interested and make their selves vaccinated but overall i dont really see the point on  why people would be risking out their lives

when it comes to side effects just for a lottery ticket.I cant really just see the reason on why it would be that something a good reason for you to get vaccinanated.

This is just my own point of view since until now im not vaccinated no matter what gimmicks or prizes that could a citizen has the chance to hit up.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: pinggoki on August 09, 2021, 09:28:42 PM
Saw this being talked about like as early as February, I cannot reiterate how intelligent and intuitive this move by Poland is compared to efforts conducted by other countries to promote the vaccination of the general public. The fact that it tickled the innate desire of humans for money is while ensuring that they are able to vaccinate as much people as possible in the process is commendable on its own. I just have a few questions concerning this sweepstakes move of the Polish Government. Is this lottery still going on? If so how are they drawing the winner? Is it similar to what a regular sweepstake supported by a government is?
Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!

Heard about that, also heard that the Philippines mostly relied on vaccine donations because the government was so busy incarcerating drug addicts and ECQ violators instead of really doing something to absolve the breach issue. With a pandemic as deadly as this, it just doesn't make sense to risk your life going over the next block to meet your friends, these people need money to survive but they wouldn't be able to acquire cash if they won't go out. and with supplies of the vaccine being scarce, there's no way for these people would just wait for their turn despite the precautions because they need to go to their jobs ASAP.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: boyptc on August 09, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
Thanks for that information.

I'm also about to ask the same question and want to know if there really are winners since this was posted a month ago already.

Those folks that have won cars, just wow.
You are welcome. Glad I could help.
Those vehicles were nice prizes, indeed.
They really are indeed.

If I'll be joining any of the same, I'll aim for those but since it's a lottery. This is a game of luck so those winners of those cars are lucky indeed.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on August 10, 2021, 02:08:38 AM
Its good to know that the Poland government were sincere to give these prizes for those who get themselves vaccinated.
This is an effective encouragement to people who have doubts because of the side effects that it might cause to their health.
I just hope our government do the same thing as an incentives for people to be protected against the virus while having a chance to get prizes.
I think people more concern with their health after they get vaccinated because until now, many bad news in social media told them that the vaccine can not stop the spread of the virus. The prizes is for attracting them and courage them to follow what their government suggest. Well, we do not know what impact that people will get after they vaccinated as the impact itself will be different from one person with another. But if the vaccine is one thing that the government suggested, maybe people should follow it and get protection from the mutated virus.

The prize money is to attract people to take the vaccine, but the major reason is to get them into this and try to lessen the spread of this virus, we don't know how and until when this virus will evolve as of this moment  another variant is hitting most of the places around the world and the virus is helping plus those safety protocols.

The focus of the government is to convince more from their jurisdiction that this virus is not going disappear right away, it will continue to threat our health better to take side and enhance your chance not to get infected.
Hopefully, people who live in a country that does not use prize money can be aware of the importance of the vaccine that can get more protection against the virus. If those people in Poland realize that, they should go to the hospital or a place that will be the health centre to get vaccinated and not because of the prize money.

The Delta variant is really hitting many countries now and the spread is fast than the previous variant. It is why the government asked their people to be vaccinated, which is expected to reduce the spread of the virus. If their people listen to the suggestion from the government, they will visit the health centre and get the injection of the vaccine and with the help of consuming the healthy food and always clean, that will help them prevent the virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 10, 2021, 03:00:24 AM
Hopefully, people who live in a country that does not use prize money can be aware of the importance of the vaccine that can get more protection against the virus. If those people in Poland realize that, they should go to the hospital or a place that will be the health centre to get vaccinated and not because of the prize money.

The Delta variant is really hitting many countries now and the spread is fast than the previous variant. It is why the government asked their people to be vaccinated, which is expected to reduce the spread of the virus. If their people listen to the suggestion from the government, they will visit the health centre and get the injection of the vaccine and with the help of consuming the healthy food and always clean, that will help them prevent the virus.

In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: peter0425 on August 10, 2021, 03:09:16 AM
Hopefully, people who live in a country that does not use prize money can be aware of the importance of the vaccine that can get more protection against the virus. If those people in Poland realize that, they should go to the hospital or a place that will be the health centre to get vaccinated and not because of the prize money.

The Delta variant is really hitting many countries now and the spread is fast than the previous variant. It is why the government asked their people to be vaccinated, which is expected to reduce the spread of the virus. If their people listen to the suggestion from the government, they will visit the health centre and get the injection of the vaccine and with the help of consuming the healthy food and always clean, that will help them prevent the virus.

In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.
You cannot just bribe people about lottery when this involves their lives , it looks like they will risk their precious life just because of this offering?

you cannot bring life back once taken and the issue of the vaccine is indeed spreading the world, as we humans knows what our body's capacity and tolerance .

so we cannot blame those people that deny the vaccine because they love their lives.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 10, 2021, 08:43:25 PM
In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.

The vaccination campaign in Russia is gaining more and more opponents, not only for historical reasons, but also because people here and there see the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Yesterday I was at work after almost a week's absence and found that 5 of my colleagues were sick. 2 of them were vaccinated, two were not, and another was vaccinated and a day after vaccination he felt bad (apparently the vaccine hit the already weakened immunity, since apparently he was already sick when he did it). And such cases are found in different circles of different acquaintances, from the outside it looks like the Russian vaccine does nothing against infection, plus it can provoke a severe course of the disease.
By the way, we have another person at work who has already recovered, but his story is as follows: he had a mild illness once, after which he was vaccinated and a couple of months later fell ill again, but this time in a severe form.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: ethereumhunter on August 11, 2021, 02:08:59 AM
Hopefully, people who live in a country that does not use prize money can be aware of the importance of the vaccine that can get more protection against the virus. If those people in Poland realize that, they should go to the hospital or a place that will be the health centre to get vaccinated and not because of the prize money.

The Delta variant is really hitting many countries now and the spread is fast than the previous variant. It is why the government asked their people to be vaccinated, which is expected to reduce the spread of the virus. If their people listen to the suggestion from the government, they will visit the health centre and get the injection of the vaccine and with the help of consuming the healthy food and always clean, that will help them prevent the virus.

In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.
I am sure that some people do not want to vaccinate because they think that the vaccine and the virus are designed by some groups that do not want to see the world is in peace. They want to create a massacre in many countries and spreads the fear and die to all countries. And now that is what we see in many countries.

Hopefully, people from Poland can choose with the right of what they will do and do not think much about the virus because the vaccine helps them survive in this pandemic. But the vaccine will not works without having a healthy life.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 11, 2021, 03:00:25 AM
In Eastern Europe (and many other parts of the world), there is a general distrust of the authorities. One of the users from Russia made a post here regarding the situation there. Especially among the older generations, there may be large sections of the population who doesn't want to get vaccinated. Now I am not sure whether these people would suddenly agree to get vaccinated since the lottery is there, but overall it is a good initiative from the Polish government. Also, the vaccines have limited shelf life. They need to be administered before they expire.

The vaccination campaign in Russia is gaining more and more opponents, not only for historical reasons, but also because people here and there see the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Yesterday I was at work after almost a week's absence and found that 5 of my colleagues were sick. 2 of them were vaccinated, two were not, and another was vaccinated and a day after vaccination he felt bad (apparently the vaccine hit the already weakened immunity, since apparently he was already sick when he did it). And such cases are found in different circles of different acquaintances, from the outside it looks like the Russian vaccine does nothing against infection, plus it can provoke a severe course of the disease.
By the way, we have another person at work who has already recovered, but his story is as follows: he had a mild illness once, after which he was vaccinated and a couple of months later fell ill again, but this time in a severe form.

Well... this is strange. If the Sputnik V vaccine is no inefficient, then how can 70+ countries approve it? Even here in India, a lot of people have been vaccinated with Sputnik V. Actually here it is considered as the most effective vaccine (compared to the two local vaccines - Covishield/Covaxin). Also, in countries like Argentina (which has administered the largest number of doses outside Russia), real time studies have shown effectiveness of >90%, and reports suggest that people there prefer the Russian vaccine over Sinopharm/Sinovac.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Xinarae* on August 11, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 11, 2021, 06:23:14 AM
Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.
The current vaccines don't prevent the infection from happening, it just make the symptoms mild and the survival from contracting the virus increases when you're vaccinated plus you can protect other people through herd immunity when you're part of the vaccinated population.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Cling18 on August 11, 2021, 09:28:54 AM
Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.

People believed that once the vaccines exist, we'll all go back to normal but I guess that will be hard to happen right now especially now that the delta variant has reached lots of countries. Some vaccines aren't strong enough to fight against the Delta variant so in our country, we're all put on lockdown again. I don't think being vaccinated is the only answer this time.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 11, 2021, 09:44:28 AM
The vaccination campaign in Russia is gaining more and more opponents, not only for historical reasons, but also because people here and there see the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Yesterday I was at work after almost a week's absence and found that 5 of my colleagues were sick. 2 of them were vaccinated, two were not, and another was vaccinated and a day after vaccination he felt bad (apparently the vaccine hit the already weakened immunity, since apparently he was already sick when he did it). And such cases are found in different circles of different acquaintances, from the outside it looks like the Russian vaccine does nothing against infection, plus it can provoke a severe course of the disease.
By the way, we have another person at work who has already recovered, but his story is as follows: he had a mild illness once, after which he was vaccinated and a couple of months later fell ill again, but this time in a severe form.

Well... this is strange. If the Sputnik V vaccine is no inefficient, then how can 70+ countries approve it? Even here in India, a lot of people have been vaccinated with Sputnik V. Actually here it is considered as the most effective vaccine (compared to the two local vaccines - Covishield/Covaxin). Also, in countries like Argentina (which has administered the largest number of doses outside Russia), real time studies have shown effectiveness of >90%, and reports suggest that people there prefer the Russian vaccine over Sinopharm/Sinovac.

Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: virasog on August 11, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Here in the Philippines, most people are not yet vaccinated since some did not go to their respective schedules of vaccination. When the delta variant suddenly hit our country, our government announced another ECQ which prohibited the public from leaving their respective premises without any proof of showing their vaccination cards.

Two to three (2-3) days before the implementation of the ECQ, people flocked all of the vaccination sites in hopes of getting a free shot. The bad thing is, all of these unvaccinated people stormed through the gates without observing all the guidelines of social distancing, etc. So, the only way to get people vaccinated is to literally restrict their freedom!


I will call it negligence on the part of the government who did not allow enough time for the people to get vaccinated and put restrictions. This made people panic and they decided to rush to the vaccination centres and then of course there is a risk of getting covid when a lot of people around together without following any extra sops.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Pamadar on August 11, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Even after vaccination the virus is not preventing any infection many people do not want to survive because of the vaccine in different countries. After being vaccinated they suddenly become ill however, russia's survival has proved to be very effective thousands of people have registered for the first two doses of the vaccine this week it is not yet clear how many vaccines russia will be able to produce. Without a full lockdown it is now thought to be able to fight covid.
The current vaccines don't prevent the infection from happening, it just make the symptoms mild and the survival from contracting the virus increases when you're vaccinated plus you can protect other people through herd immunity when you're part of the vaccinated population.

It gives those vaccinated person to have a better chance in surviving but even you've got vaccinated it's not a guarantee

that this new variant won't hit you, survival rate increase that's the good news and that's the reason most government wanted their
citizens to have this to increase the survival of every people who've got hit by this new delta variant, still need to follow safety protocols
it will continue to lessen the spread of this virus.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: BlackFor3st on August 11, 2021, 11:17:54 AM
That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 12, 2021, 03:11:36 AM
Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

Even in India, the Sputnik V vaccine program is getting delayed because the second component is not available. But I heard that the issue was resolved in Argentina. A local manufacturer started distributing second component doses from this month onwards.

https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202108/564683-distribuyen-en-todo-el-pais-mas-de-600-mil-dosis-del-componente-2-de-sputnik-v.html

According to the above source, 600k doses of the second component has been distributed, while another 2.4 million will be distributed by the end of this month. Argentina has so far administered 12,468,830 doses of Sputnik V (highest number after Russia). There were some protests there as a result of the delays. But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on August 12, 2021, 05:23:09 AM
That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.
People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
If they do not think about their feelings, they will want to go to the health centre and be vaccinated.
It could attract their attention because of the prizes from the lottery but we know that some people can think about human rights about getting vaccinated or do not want to vaccinate.
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Pamadar on August 12, 2021, 07:16:10 AM
But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

Not sure the reason they don't have Pfizer or moderna but the tension between China,

Is most probably the reason they don't want to take their vaccines, not even those thousands of lives being taken by covid from India they still seek for other options/helps and here comes Sputnik V where same with moderna and Pfizer this vaccine is also being recognized being more effective battling with the variant. The main goal remains to get vaccinated to higher the chance of survival, so from Poland's way, with the help of Pfizer, they are providing incentives in terms of lottery.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Lakai01 on August 12, 2021, 07:47:41 AM
People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
-snip-
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 12, 2021, 10:34:55 AM
Perhaps the explanation for everything is corruption - Russia loves to pay for its status and buys everyone and everything. By the way, have you heard that the deliveries of the second dose of Sputnik V to Argentina were disrupted? Russia failed to fulfill its contractual obligations, putting Argentina in a difficult position. If this happened on the international market where Russia is trying to maintain its status, then what can be expected from the domestic market where the government does not care about the country's population?

Even in India, the Sputnik V vaccine program is getting delayed because the second component is not available. But I heard that the issue was resolved in Argentina. A local manufacturer started distributing second component doses from this month onwards.

https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202108/564683-distribuyen-en-todo-el-pais-mas-de-600-mil-dosis-del-componente-2-de-sputnik-v.html

According to the above source, 600k doses of the second component has been distributed, while another 2.4 million will be distributed by the end of this month. Argentina has so far administered 12,468,830 doses of Sputnik V (highest number after Russia). There were some protests there as a result of the delays. But from what I heard, the people still prefer Sputnik V to useless Chinese vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna not available in required quantities).

This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 12, 2021, 10:49:38 AM
This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on August 13, 2021, 04:05:20 AM
People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
-snip-
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Chato1977 on August 13, 2021, 06:09:24 AM
That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.
lol this is a bribe to make people try their luck but you as human who believes that Vaccine is risk to your life , would you still try that lottery even if you think that can be your death will be the next?

we know what our capacity and care about our life , and having this bribe just to have that vaccine luring small people than interested.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 13, 2021, 10:11:36 AM
This is great news for the citizens of Argentina - I think with local production they will be able to control the quality better than getting the vaccine from Russia. But it’s really a shame that they have to choose between these third-rate drugs and don’t have access to Pfizer and others in sufficient quantities.

Actually the Argentine government tried hard to procure Pfizer vaccines for its citizens. But Pfizer wanted protection from any future lawsuits related to criminal negligence and wanted the government to keep the military bases and central bank reserves as collateral. The government conducted several rounds of negotiations with the pharma company, but the latter refused to relent. Eventually the president gave up and announced that they will rather go for Sputnik V/Sinopharm/AstraZeneca.

Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 13, 2021, 01:51:22 PM
Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 13, 2021, 02:41:34 PM
Judging by the news of recent days, there is nothing to regret - Israel has confirmed that their mass vaccination did not help and it is impossible to defeat the pandemic with it. As far as I remember, they were vaccinated mainly with the Pfizer vaccine. As for the company's tough position on the supply of the Pfizer vaccine to Argentina, this is quite logical, this country has a long series of defaults and often violates its obligations.

Against the original strain, Pfizer had around 95% efficacy. But it is proving increasingly ineffective against the delta variant, which is causing a majority of the COVID-related deaths now. Check this:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-may-be-superior-pfizer-against-delta-breakthrough-odds-rise-with-time-2021-08-09/

A study by the Mayo Clinic suggests that Moderna vaccine is 76% effective against the delta variant, while Pfizer has an efficacy of just 42%. BTW, the other vaccines (such as Sinopharm and AstraZeneca) fare far worse against the delta variant.

I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 14, 2021, 03:50:14 AM
I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: michellee on August 14, 2021, 10:45:45 AM
That's some good promotion, some people really don't like to get vaccinated because of fear what could be the effect after they get vaccinated. Rather than forcing people to get vaccinated this kind of promotion is really great first thing you will get vaccine which will protect you from the virus and after that you still have chance to win a lottery you could be a very lucky person if you managed to win on the lottery.
lol this is a bribe to make people try their luck but you as human who believes that Vaccine is risk to your life , would you still try that lottery even if you think that can be your death will be the next?

we know what our capacity and care about our life , and having this bribe just to have that vaccine luring small people than interested.
I doubt that because they will not risk their lives to be vaccinated. That is what people might do when they do not believe in the government and will go to someplace that they will not get pursued by the government to go to the health centre or a place that only them know. They believe that getting vaccinated or not is a choice and they choose not to get vaccinated because they doubt the vaccine can protect their lives.

In this matter, the government need to use different approaches to explain to them and not use their power to force that person to vaccinate. The government does not have to use the lottery because as long as they want to get vaccinated, the lottery will not be the primary thing for them.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: wildan88 on August 14, 2021, 11:06:15 AM
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 14, 2021, 12:58:49 PM
I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.

No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Pamadar on August 14, 2021, 02:11:32 PM
People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
-snip-
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.
The hope from those who value life emerges to fasten the vaccinations,

They wanted to lessen or slow the spread, vaccination help but if even the majority already have it, there's still no assurance that the virus will not continue, mutations as we seen it happened with this Delta variant, even those who already vaccinated are not secure not being a carrier and spread it from those who still don't have the vaccines, this action from the government of giving incentive should also have demos or advertisement what value vaccines will add to protect lives.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Sithara007 on August 15, 2021, 03:18:19 AM
No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.

As per published figures, Moderna offers 76% protection against the most contagious strain of COVID 19 (and almost 100% protection against death from the virus). That means that vaccinated people are far safer, when compared to the unvaccinated ones. And even in the US, most of the deaths have been reported from the section of the population which refused to get vaccinated. Fully vaccinated (more than half of the population) accounted for less than 1% of the deaths in May 2021. You can check this article:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: traderethereum on August 15, 2021, 04:38:16 AM
People are afraid of the needle that will inject into their body because they think it will hurt.
-snip-
The government needs to promote their programs while educating their people but do not force them to vaccinate because they really do not want it.
I think only the fewest vaccination refusers are actually afraid of the needle but of the active substances in the vaccination itself - whether justified or not is of course open to question.

With your last sentence I agree with you, of course, coercion is never a propate way to convince the population. However, countries such as Germany are already introducing compulsory vaccination through the back door, where in the near future people will no longer be allowed to participate in public life without proof of vaccination above a certain incidence.
If they still doubt the active substances in the vaccination, those people can ask their doctor or health center for more explanations.
It is hard if the government forces their people to get vaccinated while they are still afraid or doubt the program.
The governments need to think the other methods how to explain to them.
If everything becomes forcing them to vaccinate, I think sooner or later, a demo might happen in many countries as people will think that they can take care of their health and do not want to vaccinate.
I hope that people can open their minds about the vaccine and not stubbornly receive the right information about it and not get wrong or can think twice about the wrong issue.
The hope from those who value life emerges to fasten the vaccinations,

They wanted to lessen or slow the spread, vaccination help but if even the majority already have it, there's still no assurance that the virus will not continue, mutations as we seen it happened with this Delta variant, even those who already vaccinated are not secure not being a carrier and spread it from those who still don't have the vaccines, this action from the government of giving incentive should also have demos or advertisement what value vaccines will add to protect lives.
If they are already vaccinated, they still need to take care of themselves and not go out if they do not have urgent things to prevent the risk.
We still need to wait for further information from the government as a regulator and hopefully, they will give something good news to us.
Hopefully, the existing variant will not mutate into a new one and we can still live healthily and not worry about the virus anymore.
Or if there are a new variant comes out, we already build a new immune to prevent the variant.
But better to communicate with your doctor or discuss with the health representative to know more details about the vaccine so you will not get the wrong information.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: uneng on August 15, 2021, 05:06:22 AM
I hope you are kidding? Why would I read these childish excuses like "the delta variant dog ate my homework"?
The virus mutates all the time and a vaccine that works well against one strain is rubbish. And by killing one strain, you immediately open the way for all others who were "oppressed" by the more widespread strain. It's an endless loop. By the way, do you think that in the future you will have to do a thousand vaccinations against each strain separately?

If the population is fully vaccinated and herd immunity is achieved, then the virus will stop infecting humans and the mutations will stop. The reason why we had delta strain in the first place was that during the initial stages, the developed nations hoarded all the vaccines, leaving poor nations with a vaccine shortage. If you remember, the more fatal strains emerged almost 15 months after the appearance of the original strain. There was enough time to vaccinate everyone, but it was not done. And right now, there is no option apart from getting vaccinated, to stay alive.

No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.
That is what I most fear. Delta variation is already terrifying enough, but the virus can still get more powerful and we don't know where this is going to end. Vaccines are temporary palliatives, but they don't fully protect the individual or stop new mutations. A proof of this fact are the yearly vaccines for common flu, which don't prevent people from getting sick or the flu itself from existing.
Another thing I think it's an absurd is how the world's countries and WHO in special don't confront China for developing the virus. quite the opposite, there is already an agenda manufacturing the theory that covid19 isn't lab made, didn't come from China and they have nothing to do with this. It's totally negligent to let China unpunished for this crime, because they will feel free and loose to keep doing their experients with biological weapons until a similar or worse leak happen again...


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: boyptc on August 15, 2021, 05:19:07 AM
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
And that's why countries like Poland and other countries are encouraging and giving them a free thing to take if they take the vaccine.

It's a matter of mind set by the government and also by those people who care for the welfare of others.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: VanityWallets2015 on August 15, 2021, 05:25:27 AM
There's really a lot of tricks to convince people to get vaccinated, I was curious what other countries tricks in order to convince their citizens to have the vaccine. It seems that many people are not interested on having the vaccine that's why they need something like this to convince people.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: btc78 on August 15, 2021, 05:49:54 AM
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
You don't understand because you are not in their shoes , you don't feel their body and you have no idea what they are going through .
There are people that has already having medical issues and they are afraid that they will not survive the vaccine as the side effects will eventually come.
and also this vaccine knows to be dangerous at some point to those who has week body so what is the different of dying in Covid and dying in vaccine? at east they can decide not to die in vaccine and if even they got infected then that would be their nightmare .


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: iv4n on August 15, 2021, 11:42:17 AM
There's really a lot of tricks to convince people to get vaccinated, I was curious what other countries tricks in order to convince their citizens to have the vaccine. It seems that many people are not interested on having the vaccine that's why they need something like this to convince people.

If covid is a real thing then there would be no need for "encouraging people" to take a vaccine! But covid and all this shit is just one big trick from powerful people on the top, and I see many "brainwashed" people here making ridiculous comments!

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.

So you took that vaccine and now you are judging all others... It is a funny thing how religious/nationalistic/or any other fanatics remind me on covid fanatics! You are ready to blow entire cities, with all the people who live there, just to prove your worthless point!

Nothing is going with me... I am healthy and well, why would I take that vaccine? And don't sell me some mambo jumbo things you saw on TV who are earning on that vaccine and this entire situation! I am not their slave, I mean I am like anyone else, but there are some limits...

In the end, this new vaccinated-unvaccinated war is made up! It's what they want, to separate people even more! Separated people can't unite and without unity, there are no big changes... I can't believe that so many people fall on this covid crap!


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: STT on August 15, 2021, 11:49:11 AM
Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: btc78 on August 15, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.
it is normal to have Opposition in every government because this separate the decision making towards anticipating others more than the favor . but the thing here is we are talking about lives in which being spared because of ignorance of the vaccine.
and also listening to those spreads wrong information in regards to the effect and benefits of the virus.
but what i see here is why would person need to take the vaccine just to join the lottery ? this is only fooling people because we knew how hard to even win in lottery lol.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: mindrust on August 15, 2021, 12:30:05 PM
why would person need to take the vaccine just to join the lottery ? this is only fooling people because we knew how hard to even win in lottery lol.

It is so fucking stupid, I wonder if anybody got vaccinated just because there was a lottery going on.

This is just like how Biden offered $100 to those who are willing to take the vaccine. They are laughing at your face, they are insulting you and people are actually OK with this.

Now they named a price, I guess we can start negotiating. The opening bid was $100 from Biden in USA and its a lottery ticket in Poland.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 15, 2021, 12:41:33 PM
It is so fucking stupid, I wonder if anybody got vaccinated just because there was a lottery going on.

This is just like how Biden offered $100 to those who are willing to take the vaccine. They are laughing at your face, they are insulting you and people are actually OK with this.

Now they named a price, I guess we can start negotiating. The opening bid was $100 from Biden in USA and its a lottery ticket in Poland.

I have to disagree with you. I know people who would be encouraged to take the vaccine, if a lottery ticket is being given as a complimentary gift. Those who are stubbornly against the vaccine would refuse anyway, but these steps will encourage a lot of those who are on the fence. A few months back, there was a similar measure in the US state of Ohio. And the results were very encouraging. After the lottery ("Vax a million") was announced, there was a steep jump in daily vaccination rates and it helped the vaccination rate in Ohio to surpass the national average. 


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: Naficopa on August 15, 2021, 01:20:11 PM
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
And that's why countries like Poland and other countries are encouraging and giving them a free thing to take if they take the vaccine.

It's a matter of mind set by the government and also by those people who care for the welfare of others.

I think it's not about the mind set, but more about economics and politics. In a country where state hospitals are free for everyone, it is much better to persuade people to get vaccinated by doing lotteries than to pay for their hospitalization later when the wave of infection returns.
On the other hand, it obviously improves the political image when so many businesses fail.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: KTChampions on August 15, 2021, 02:06:59 PM
No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.

As per published figures, Moderna offers 76% protection against the most contagious strain of COVID 19 (and almost 100% protection against death from the virus). That means that vaccinated people are far safer, when compared to the unvaccinated ones. And even in the US, most of the deaths have been reported from the section of the population which refused to get vaccinated. Fully vaccinated (more than half of the population) accounted for less than 1% of the deaths in May 2021. You can check this article:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

So what? Do you now propose to do both vaccinations (Modern and Pfizer) at the same time? In addition, we still do not get away from the fact that even a vaccinated person can be a carrier of the virus and in him it can mutate (and produce more deadly strains), albeit with a lower intensity.
Well, the level of protection actually looks dubious, given that millions of people get sick, protection by 76 percent reduces the overall picture of the incidence weakly - maybe it only slows down the spread of the virus a little. In any case, this does not look like a "final solution" and a way to defeat the virus.
By the way, what will we do when the next strain appears, against which both Modern and Pfizer will be even weaker?


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: carlisle1 on August 15, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.

Another thing that slows the vaccinations, those doubts coming from the opposition  corrupting
the mindsets of other people and influenced them not to agree with how the government is trying to prevent the spread.

We see a lots of incident like this in so many countries, instead of fighting together with this virus political agendas are everywhere,
trying to put down the current government, blaming that they are not working well to resolve this problem.

With how Poland is trying, partnering with Pfizer they can attract and reached those who wanted to try their luck in winning the pot.


Title: Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland.
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 15, 2021, 05:51:08 PM
So what? Do you now propose to do both vaccinations (Modern and Pfizer) at the same time? In addition, we still do not get away from the fact that even a vaccinated person can be a carrier of the virus and in him it can mutate (and produce more deadly strains), albeit with a lower intensity.
Well, the level of protection actually looks dubious, given that millions of people get sick, protection by 76 percent reduces the overall picture of the incidence weakly - maybe it only slows down the spread of the virus a little. In any case, this does not look like a "final solution" and a way to defeat the virus.
By the way, what will we do when the next strain appears, against which both Modern and Pfizer will be even weaker?

Do you have a solution other than vaccination? Even an efficacy of 76% is significant. That means four times less people who are infected with the virus. And that also means that the spread of the virus can be contained, as the infected are less likely to infect others. If you look at the current situation in the United States, the regions with largest number of active cases are states like Arkansas, where the vaccination rate is very low. The chances of further mutations decrease, if there are less number of carriers of the virus. So even a 76% reduction is OK for me.