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Only young and naive guy believe in high risk high return

In the world wars, young and naive people go to battle field and fight each other to death, they take risk to protect the war that they can never win, while they’re being manipulate by the other group of elite who do not like to take such risk. These elite tell the young people to take the risk despite they know it’s risky and they don’t want take the risk but want someone else to take such risk. Many people died and sacrificed in the war that can’t be won. The elite do not take the risk, not only they didn’t take risk they also profit a lot from the war, for the people who love to advocate high risk high return, NOPE you’re wrong, they take no risk while they can make the maximum profit that those of you who take risk can only dream of.

Since the war is over, it’s not profitable for the elite anymore. They know what is their next move after the war. Yup, money, they’re now looking at money, they know money has the same properties to a world war, they also know they do not like to take risk, so now they tell all you idiot to take risk that they don’t want to take and deceive you to believe high risk high return, you’re real idiot if you didn’t learn from the previous lesson, you’re idiot if you didn’t learn from the world wars, you’re idiot to take risk that they tell you to take while they making maximum profit taking no risk at all.

Soldiers don't go to war just because they can win or not, they did that to safe their families and friends, they crave for peace and better future,  if there aren't soldiers in your country you won't have peace and time to come on here, are you the type of man that condemned the sacrifice of soldiers? They are better than you and I mate, think deeply, also this has nothing to do with crypto investment and economy if you aren't ready to take risks or probably lose you won't be able to win if you invest in crypto, with the will of taking risks and the will of learning from your mistakes you will eventually win.

Certainly, war is no high-risk high-return, is high-risk low-return, and is not an investment - not for the individuals that take part on in directly at least.

It is not as much as being fooled because of age, it has a lot to do with the culture and the knowledge and the beliefs. Most of those who want you to fight for them or given them your money will speak of "country", "god", "freedom", "patriotism",... but they will only be thinking of power, money, land,... They will use your goodwill and your love for their purposes. Those who only take news from one side or do not want to listen to other´s points of view, and think that only certain party o leader or book has the absolute truth and all else is wrong are the ones most at risk of being manipulated into a wrongful conflict.

However, in business, high risk high return exists and sometimes there are low risk high return opportunities. Is no longer a question of elites, anyone can choose to learn how to take advantage.

Re "elites" actually, they do invest in risky ventures - if they loose they still have plenty, whereas if you loose it will mean something for your.

Comparing investors with the soldiers seems stupid idea, :-\

Let's talk about the soldier's high risk, you are saying that the soldiers are not getting any returns for their risk but the actual return is you are sitting in your home and talking about this because of someone is taking risk to save their borders. If no one is ready to become soldier then imagine how you are life is going to be! ::)

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>This is not related to economy, or what are you driving at?
I’m always wondering, some guy call economics is a science, they think it’s a know how and know why. Let’s break down economics into parts, ecology + taxonomy = economy, eco + nomy, is it obvious economy is a study of the interaction living organism in a community or in a kingdom? I’m not entirely sure how do you think of economy, you may have equal it to pure investment only, I had no idea because there isn’t an investment chapter in the economy textbook.

>You mean no soldier or useful people should be involved during war? I yet do not see the point you are making.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike soldier, I’m very clear to only attack the elite for their evil plan on mind controlling soldier to do their risky work.

>People will always face high risk business because of the return if that is what you mean, if you regarded them as fools, some people do not have option because it is the way they are surviving.
Whatever you think, this is what you belief, high risk high return, you would always associate everything with risk, because it’s already part of your flesh and your mindset, I don’t blame you, you can have your own way, I wouldn’t force you to change btw.

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>Soldiers don't go to war just because they can win or not, they did that to safe their families and friends, they crave for peace and better future, 
Preciously, they’re taking risk to get the high return, the return is PEACE, although peace is just a mental state of feeling secured, but this mental state is of very HIGH value, it’s definitely worth every risk to fight for peace!

> if there aren't soldiers in your country you won't have peace and time to come on here, are you the type of man that condemned the sacrifice of soldiers?
Nope, they’re great guy, I would thank them for debunking the ugly of the wars, without them nobody would learn and the war wouldn’t stop.

>They are better than you and I mate, think deeply, also this has nothing to do with crypto investment and economy if you aren't ready to take risks or probably lose you won't be able to win if you invest in crypto, with the will of taking risks and the will of learning from your mistakes you will eventually win.
I’m always happy with people who want to take risk, want to take high risk, or they preaching high risk high return, they have every rights to defend their point on taking risk, blindly following what other people told is not something I would accept and happily with whatever they do.

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>Certainly, war is no high-risk high-return, is high-risk low-return, and is not an investment - not for the individuals that take part on in directly at least.
Some people would regard PEACE as the highest form of return one can imagine, you would never appreciate until you have no more PEACE. Is war high risk high return? There is little to doubt about it. Those guy who are evilly genius know very well PEACE is just a worthless feeling and worth nothing, it’s just a feeling of secure, but PEACE mean a lot to very poor people who are constantly in troubles.

>It is not as much as being fooled because of age, it has a lot to do with the culture and the knowledge and the beliefs.
Age is very reliable factor, knowledge is accumulated through ages, nobody can be instant knowledgeable especially when you’re being indoctrinated with false knowledge for ages, you can’t never see the light.

>Most of those who want you to fight for them or given them your money will speak of "country", "god", "freedom", "patriotism",... but they will only be thinking of power, money, land,... They will use your goodwill and your love for their purposes. Those who only take news from one side or do not want to listen to other´s points of view, and think that only certain party o leader or book has the absolute truth and all else is wrong are the ones most at risk of being manipulated into a wrongful conflict.
Very impressive briefing, I would happily advocate such knowledge to all young and naive guy.

>However, in business, high risk high return exists and sometimes there are low risk high return opportunities. Is no longer a question of elites, anyone can choose to learn how to take advantage.
War is always profitable, high risk high return existed during wars, you have a lot of wars, world wars, currency wars... YUP you’re not dumb to think currency as a form of wars!! In the end wars is mostly mental state, the actual killing in wars is only consist of a very small part of the entire world wars, we all spend huge amount of time in the workload that’s outside of the killing, we spend most time in politics negotiations during the wars, we spend most time on mental gymnastics during the world wars, the killing is the last moment that would only last for a few weeks.

>Re "elites" actually, they do invest in risky ventures - if they loose they still have plenty, whereas if you loose it will mean something for your.
What if I tell you the elite are not young and naive guy? They’re all smart and also very old guy??

Your opinion is the same as someone who has never enjoyed a decent return, either because you have not tried at all or have experienced major failures.
Therefore, in business all individuals must be soldiers for themselves with all their intelligence and responsibility.


I do not understand about the risk you mean, do you mean millions of dollars of wealth invested is not a risk at all?
Then, who are the elites in investment/trading that rule you? You enter, you are the sole controller and in full charge of your assets. If you think of popes as elite and retailers with a thousand different minds are warriors, it's impossible for popes to rule retailers all at once.

OP, did you realize your post was super repetitive?  This is what I'd call a bloated shitpost that's long but basically says nothing. 

I was going to write something about the topic itself, but it's blatantly false on its face that high risk is only for the young--and you didn't even define "young".  To you it could mean people in their teens or 20s, but to me it could be anyone up to 45 years old.  And aside from all that, there are big risk takers of all age categories....so I'm not sure why you started this thread, but my guess is it's a merit-grab attempt. 

Big fail.

OP, other than pharmacist suggestion above, I think you also need to realize that calling people idiots multiple times won't be enough to convince people. It might even cause them to turn around instead of reading your argument.

Btw, you don't really need to believe in HR/HR opportunity, it's just a category of investment. Whether you believe it or not, there are various cases where people profit from doing risky maneuvers.

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>Comparing investors with the soldiers seems stupid idea,
Compare investment to war
Compare investor to soldier
Compare invested asset to ammunition/gun/weapon

>Let's talk about the soldier's high risk, you are saying that the soldiers are not getting any returns for their risk
the return solider get from war is victory, it’s a very sweet return, think of all the sweat and blood that pave the way for peace, isn’t it well worth it?

>but the actual return is you are sitting in your home and talking about this because of someone is taking risk to save their borders. If no one is ready to become soldier then imagine how you are life is going to be!
Here we goes again, yup, security is at risk too, fortunately someone else is taking the risk, no doubt without soldier there won’t be peace.

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>Your opinion is the same as someone who has never enjoyed a decent return,
someone who has never enjoyed a decent return! Well said, under current circumstances, no one can think of get rich quick, I don’t think there is anyone who actually become rich following the investing rules, remember all the billionaires teach you a bunch of rules to follow? I doubt you have forgotten all of them! I think they tell you to invest into stock market to get rich, why aren’t you invested in stock? Why aren’t you quit crypto?

>either because you have not tried at all or have experienced major failures.
it definitely got the vibes of a financial ruin.

>Therefore, in business all individuals must be soldiers for themselves with all their intelligence and responsibility.
I’m intrigued by someone who actually believe business is about taking huge risk. Btw most successful business starts from nothing to build into conglomerate today. Doesn’t bitcoin start off from zero? Don’t be the soldier, they’re risky.

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>do not understand about the risk you mean, do you mean millions of dollars of wealth invested is not a risk at all?
Want to define risk in plain text??
Covid virus is very high risk and need to resort to martial laws, bitcoin is risk to some people, gold is risk to some people, chemicals inside talcum is carcinogenic risk, Monsanto is gmo risk... what is risk? It’s everything!
Someone get hurt, hence it’s risk, yup, even a drawn character that resemble a criminal can be risk, gta v is a risk too, it’s risky to children, and someone get hurt or killed in that risk...!

>Then, who are the elites in investment/trading that rule you? You enter, you are the sole controller and in full charge of your assets. If you think of popes as elite and retailers with a thousand different minds are warriors, it's impossible for popes to rule retailers all at once.
A casino has total control of their win/loss rate, gamblers who take risk in the casino, can never stand a chance to beat the casino into total loss. The elite, being the casino king pin, has absolute total control to every plebs who place their bet in their casino, it’s not a fairy tale, the casino theory has been proven over and over again, casino can’t never lose no matter how genius competent the gamblers are, all of them, even in a huge team would loss to the casino.

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OP, did you realize your post was super repetitive?  This is what I'd call a bloated shitpost that's long but basically says nothing. 
Yup, you want to get rid of risk? Everybody want to get rid of risk in their life? Can you get rid of risk? Is it even possible to get rid of risk? Risk is probably the highly bloated shitpost ever yet nobody can get rid of risk! Funny?

>I was going to write something about the topic itself, but it's blatantly false on its face that high risk is only for the young--and you didn't even define "young". 
Young is not age specified. For animal, their young age are much deviated. For a turtle, 200 year old can be a young turtle. For whales, 100 year old is a young whale. For human? Young human? When we construct a sentence, “the morning is young.” We do not specify the age, what we are trying to describe is, “it’s early in the morning.” Young and naive guy refer to the people who get into investment without any basic knowledge, they’re as young as apprentice, as young as a toddler in the investment, they have no idea of the entire corrupted practices in the investing industries. Indeed as young as clueless newbie who are readily to be slaughtered in the stock trading.

>To you it could mean people in their teens or 20s, but to me it could be anyone up to 45 years old.  And aside from all that, there are big risk takers of all age categories....so I'm not sure why you started this thread, but my guess is it's a merit-grab attempt. 
Young and naive, all of you.

>Big fail.
not sure if it’s satire.

Elites and the financially stable manage their risk and that's the difference between them and everyone else. Elites are financially stable people who were able to take an extremely low risk-reward opportunity normally. Amazon started as an online book store in a garage, why? Was it maybe the lack of financial burdon? Also selling books and having a $250k investment from your parents is a pretty stable deal - the books are still going to be worth how much you can recycle them for and would probably be worth at least 80% of what they were bought for.

I'm thinking (especially from the US) that a lot of the $10M+ entrepreneurs had fairly middle class parents (at least) who were able to invest in them - this obviously makes it look extremely hard to end up in that category, but perhaps not impossible.

People normally have backups for things too so the risk will probably reduce that way - most people financially stable or elite have some sort of hedge/diversification options available to them.

The name calling came of somehow offensive! Seriously, you don't call people names for not having the same view on a point as you do or buying into some other persons idea just as your expecting us to buy your ideas and accept it as absolute about that point! NO, that's not how life works or the society is set-up. Variations does exist amongst everything and that's the beauty of life. Air your views and give people a chance to air theirs because in a way, anyone with a contrary opinion just feels stupid or like an idiot as you put it to air it out. As such, they become really ashamed.

Well, this isn't an armed force discussion board, its a bitcointalk forum and an economy board @OP and should I talk about the 'high risk high return' policy, its practically true but not in all aspect. I'll explain. Scenario;

1. There are those who would invest in altcoins or some package of some sort with their spare cash, not knowing what the future of the coin or token is but then, they take this risk and in a few years, the coin pumps and they profit a lot from so little.

2. In this case, with every ROI being a multiple of your investment, investing more or having high stakes in a carefully examined project would mean, having high returns as well.

Using these Scenario, the stakes to reward factor can be proven in Scenario 2.
Embrace variation mate and be cool with people for choosing the side they choose. They have them reasons  and you ain't in ther shoes.

Your post not very consistent. Is high risk the problem or taking risk at all? I can guarantee you that most adult regularly take risk in their businesses but the responsible/experienced ones try to minimize risk as much as possible while working to be profitable.

So, both young and old should be well prepared to avoid taking big risk.

I don't really understand what you mean by making this post...

high risk is good when you know what you are doing, cryptocurrency is an example of high-risk high return, and you see what is happening in the market that many people are also successful from high-risk investments like cryptocurrency. basically, you have to know how much risk the asset you invest in, never invest in things you don't know.

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>OP, other than pharmacist suggestion above, I think you also need to realize that calling people idiots multiple times won't be enough to convince people. It might even cause them to turn around instead of reading your argument.
that’s perfectly how to manipulate people into doing something into their favour. In the casino, whether you bet it in BIG or SMALL, casino is the winner. In the world war, no matter what is the outcome of the wars, whether the Japan win or the Nazi win, the elite still profit from the wars, many people still died in the wars. You think the elites never aware of plan b? They have total control of the outcome, plan A and plan B, both of them are a total success.


>Btw, you don't really need to believe in HR/HR opportunity, it's just a category of investment. Whether you believe it or not, there are various cases where people profit from doing risky maneuvers.
gambling in Las Vegas is classic form of high risk high return, name me a guy who beat the Las Vegas into NET LOSS, there isn’t any to date?

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>Elites and the financially stable manage their risk and that's the difference between them and everyone else. Elites are financially stable people who were able to take an extremely low risk-reward opportunity normally.
Exactly, countless of real life proof suggesting clowns are getting rewarded handsomely for being clowns, is printing money not a risk free approaches to make money? Are people too dumb to take risk today?

>Amazon started as an online book store in a garage, why? Was it maybe the lack of financial burdon? Also selling books and having a $250k investment from your parents is a pretty stable deal - the books are still going to be worth how much you can recycle them for and would probably be worth at least 80% of what they were bought for.
It’s baffling amazon might not be able to survive today if not for the massive stimulus given to keep them going, they haven’t been making profit enough to pay for their employees.

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I'm thinking (especially from the US) that a lot of the $10M+ entrepreneurs had fairly middle class parents (at least) who were able to invest in them - this obviously makes it look extremely hard to end up in that category, but perhaps not impossible.
Keep that going, billionaire all get rich from stock market, doesn’t it make sense to invest in stock market? They’re too calling bitcoin is a scam, and you shouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

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People normally have backups for things too so the risk will probably reduce that way - most people financially stable or elite have some sort of hedge/diversification options available to them.
It is always the same, printing money is the obvious form of risk free/hedging/plan b, it’s too easy, even a kid can understand this very simple concept yet there is many young and naive guy who want to refute.

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>The name calling came of somehow offensive!
make love don’t make war?

>Seriously, you don't call people names for not having the same view on a point as you do or buying into some other persons idea just as your expecting us to buy your ideas and accept it as absolute about that point!
or course when some point is blatant lies, you should have make noise. Are you the guy who are pro vaccinated or anti vaccine??

>NO, that's not how life works or the society is set-up. Variations does exist amongst everything and that's the beauty of life. Air your views and give people a chance to air theirs because in a way, anyone with a contrary opinion just feels stupid or like an idiot as you put it to air it out. As such, they become really ashamed.
btw many people told you to quit crypto since it’s illegal, it’s scam, it’s high risk, why did you quit? Why are you not invested stock market when trump tell you to do so?

>Well, this isn't an armed force discussion board, its a bitcointalk forum and an economy board @OP and should I talk about the 'high risk high return' policy, its practically true but not in all aspect. I'll explain. Scenario;
sure, financial wars is not discussing about armed force, do you want to believe currency is not a form of war? Do you want to believe we should make peace and have only one currency for the entire globe? When we have only one currency peace is inevitable.

>1. There are those who would invest in altcoins or some package of some sort with their spare cash, not knowing what the future of the coin or token is but then, they take this risk and in a few years, the coin pumps and they profit a lot from so little.
yup, don’t get too happy they have 98% chance of the coin going south too.

>2. In this case, with every ROI being a multiple of your investment, investing more or having high stakes in a carefully examined project would mean, having high returns as well.
when the coin going south, your high stake go to very low price, and you suffer heavy loss.

>Using these Scenario, the stakes to reward factor can be proven in Scenario 2.
Embrace variation mate and be cool with people for choosing the side they choose. They have them reasons  and you ain't in ther shoes.
when the point is too obvious even toddlers can understand, we would still have countless young and naive guy who simply choose to be bad actors, you would always have two polarising group of people, far left or far right, they’re stubborn and won’t listen.

It is understandable that when you are 20 years old, you could put in 50-100 bucks and try to go for that 100x profit, or read the 100 dollar startup and try to make the same thing, or hope that you will one day work for yourself and have your own business and hire people and get rich. Those type of big dreams usually happen when you are younger, because when you become 30+ years old like me, all you want is stability in life, for example I have a great job right now, and I am willing to work like this for 30 more years and then retire as an old man and just relax, that is a valid thing for me, I am not after huge sums of money anymore like I used to.

Nowadays my "get rich" dreams usually involve a lot smaller stuff that requires me not working, for example get enough money to retire now and go to a sea side place and simply read, watch netflix, swim and repeat that until I die, not own a billion dollar worth business.

Sometimes young people are the most lucky ones, they still have their chance of loosing. So, why not?

Nope you are wrong, you probably failed in taking risk that's why you are saying this stuff regarding high risk, high reward is a bad thing. I don't see how you are right about it, of course you compare elite to plebians like us which is the right thing to do, they don't take risk because they already have the money and if they park it at the safest place, it will eventually go up.

Many people may minimize risks and obtain high profits, but high profits do come with high risks. You said if you don’t invest, is there no risk, is there no return, if you don’t want to risk just selling a token with a certain profit, then the profit you get is what you know, the profit you calculated, if You want to take more risks and get more profits. When you put money into tokens, but the tokens have risen so much, and you continue to hold them, you think you can take risks, and you think you can get high profits by taking risks, but isn’t this high risk?

So you believe only youngsters take risks and other adults want to have stable income? I don't agree with this at all and you are making war comparison here which is another blunt thing you are mentioning.They don't send old people to war because young ones are more active and can heal fast if injured but it's not the case with old ones so they have to keep the balance and win ratio in mind.But in investing the case is totally different as you have to analyse the market and take risks accordingly and with experience you gain more knowledge of market.Many rich ones on the Forbes are not adults or teenagers under my knowledge.So you need to move that thing from your mind.

Yes vast majority of youngsters are now taking high risk if we talk  about cryptocurrency that's why we see tons of innocent guys got victimized by false hope of earning some richest on certain platform they going to invest. And compare to old dude they are more careful on their investment that's why they are more selective and always analyze on where they put their money since taking huge risk is suicide and being safety is a gem to them. Although we can't deny that sometimes those people who take the risk earn high returns but this is rare case only and majority we turned up being a scam victim so instead we earn we lose all what we have.

Quite a bold claim, knowing that using the war analogy is actually nonsensical because you're pretty much risking not only money, but your life. You can re-earn money, but you can't re-buy your life.

There's literally nothing wrong with having high risk high reward investments as long as you practice proper bank roll management(obviously going all-in is a bad idea), and that you actually know that the investment you're making is high risk high reward in the first place.

Between why must the risk only related to war? What about investment risk and similar risk as well? People took a high risk believing in btc and they were handsomely rewarded, I for once will not take any unnecessary risk except it has to do with earning something in return or a positive benefit, to me, not all type of risk that is worth taking,  especially the type that has to do with war should be highly considered before doing anything that could lead to regrets. In any situation there are always certain people who will benefit from it reason why it is very important to think before acting.

Soldiers are trained before they are deployed to a battlefield. They are equipped - physically, mentally, and emotionally strong enough to do their tasks and duties for the country. In simpler terms, they are fit for their job because, in the first place, that kind of job position requires certain qualifications to be able to secure a spot.

But this is totally unrelated to cryptocurrency. World war doesn't equate to crypto. You are making the wrong analogy here.

In cryptocurrency, you only risk what you can afford to lose. You should know that the moment you entered the crypto world. High risk, high return is applicable only if you know what you are doing and you analyzed and studied your move before doing so. Risking a high amount will be nonsense if you'll invest it in the wrong coins. Hence, you should do your own technical analysis first and make sure you'll regret nothing once things go wrong.

If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.

Time = Money

The world of finance follows the same rule! So whoever has longer time in hand, is more willing or capable to take risk. Because that person knows that if anything goes wrong, he/she has time to recover.

On the other hand, an old person doesn't have a lot of time in hand. So they are not much willing to take risk. It's as simple!

However, millionaires are less prone to all this because they make their own rules! Let's not complicate this!

With bitcoin, i do think this "high risk high reward" statement is quite real because if you can buy a big part of bitcoin then that would mean bigger profit too. But making profits in crypto just don't come easily. You need to be more skilled and even more patient to become successful in crypto. Otherwise, if you only invest in crypto without doing deep researches first and deep analysis, then you will most likely to lose your investment even how big the capital you invest.

I don't understand the comparison of war and investments but I agree to some point about high risk and high return logic.

And for those elite, yeah, they won't be the ones that will be on the floor battling their enemies and have their lives at risk but instead they hire someone to fight for them.

The analogy of war that you have given is very true and we all know brains of those admitted in army are brainwashed to such an extent that they are trained to think about nothing but their duty. To some extent they are our heroes as they protect us from the evil but the truth is that on the other side too are some similar heroes of that country who are losing their lives for that country. And all this has happened merely in a quest of power and resources.

Anyhow, coming back to the risk return things, markets are not similar to war in any context, people do say that wall street is a war from traders but truth is in markets it's upto you if you want to be the Hog that is murdered in the battle or the elite who make profit from this battle. High risk, high return is a thing but has to be done with your risk profile in mind. If you are risking more than you afford to. You might make profit for 99 days but will lose all that profit in a day.

The various altcoins and air coins that have been popular recently are examples of high risks and high returns. Investors who like high risks and high returns are stupid. Wealth doubles, but it is also possible to have nothing. Many Aircoin altcoins have not yet passed the security audit. This is not safe. When you buy an altcoin that has not passed the audit, it is actually equivalent to putting your property into the other party's wallet. If you like low-risk cryptocurrencies, I strongly recommend that you buy mainstream coins, Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc., but if you choose to buy altcoins, I think no one can give advice because it is not safe.

This is BS to a certain degree, yes OP is right but not in a way that OP thinks, high risk investment without an extensive knowledge of the investment is the naive thing to do but if you are otherwise, then you will probably have no probably because you know that your risk is worth it because you know about it and you know the potential can bear fruit.

There is actually more to it than being naive. One thing that an older investor will tell you is that younger people have one of the most important assets when it comes to finances - they have time. That allows them to make mistakes and recover much easier than someone later in life who has less room for error. Naturally there is also a learning curve where people have to make and learn from their own (hopefully small) mistakes to become wiser.

What I believe your post is trying to talk about is some countries who make weapon of war always like to instigate wars so that they can sell their machine and war materials because for them it is business and making money and whether young people die or not isn't their business. They make agreement with some government to trade in troublesome environment so that issues of conflict will keep arising

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>Your post not very consistent. Is high risk the problem or taking risk at all?
do you think it’s plausible to take risk under current circumstances? Let’s say you have just one credit left to beat an arcade game from level one, take all risk, and only make the risky moves, or stay safe, keep defending and wait for opening to make your moves?

>I can guarantee you that most adult regularly take risk in their businesses but the responsible/experienced ones try to minimize risk as much as possible while working to be profitable.
they take risk in their business and goes broke? Or they take risk to circumvent the martial laws?

>So, both young and old should be well prepared to avoid taking big risk.
now you think it’s not good to take risk, so how about taking risk in business again?

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>I don't really understand what you mean by making this post...
I think even toddler can get the idea, you need to read again and again to fully get the point.

>high risk is good when you know what you are doing, cryptocurrency is an example of high-risk high return, and you see what is happening in the market that many people are also successful from high-risk investments like cryptocurrency.
are you blinded by just the reward from the high return but not considering the high risk they went through? Do you ignore the 98% chance of high risk failure rate?

>basically, you have to know how much risk the asset you invest in, never invest in things you don't know.
I think it’s the same guy who tell you to invest in stock market, they also tell you fundamental... invest in blue chip... invest in stock market... don’t sell you haven’t loss if you didn’t sell.

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>It is understandable that when you are 20 years old, you could put in 50-100 bucks and try to go for that 100x profit, or read the 100 dollar startup and try to make the same thing, or hope that you will one day work for yourself and have your own business and hire people and get rich.
delusional, making 100x profit requires to scam a lot more people than making 2x profit.

>Those type of big dreams usually happen when you are younger, because when you become 30+ years old like me, all you want is stability in life, for example I have a great job right now, and I am willing to work like this for 30 more years and then retire as an old man and just relax, that is a valid thing for me, I am not after huge sums of money anymore like I used to.
that is ambitious to think of simply settle down for one purpose for the rest of life, thing always change, and life purpose always change too.

>Nowadays my "get rich" dreams usually involve a lot smaller stuff that requires me not working, for example get enough money to retire now and go to a sea side place and simply read, watch netflix, swim and repeat that until I die, not own a billion dollar worth business.
that won’t be possible without putting some effort to make it, it’s also probably what many people want to achieve, which is why it’s more challenging since everybody want to go to the sea resort and retire, very soon you have so much people all in the same place, the place become plagued with unrest.

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>Sometimes young people are the most lucky ones, they still have their chance of loosing. So, why not?
what is the “they have chance” are you blabbing? Do you think they have more credit in their arcade games than everybody else? How many coin they have and how many coin everybody else have? They have more coins?

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>Nope you are wrong, you probably failed in taking risk that's why you are saying this stuff regarding high risk, high reward is a bad thing.
you think it’s wrong?

>I don't see how you are right about it, of course you compare elite to plebians like us which is the right thing to do,
Now it is right? What give??

>they don't take risk because they already have the money and if they park it at the safest place, it will eventually go up.
So, don’t take risk?

I had exactly the same feeling. Investing with high risk for a huge return is a mentality and not a problem but risking your life for a huge return isn't a mentality but a problem. People fighting in wars are not doing it because they expect a huge amount of money or such, but they do it for honor and pride most of the time. One may take pride in giving away his life for his country while someone else may not and none of them is wrong or right.

War is a completely different scenario and investing shouldn't be compared with wars quite frankly. Crypto investments have always been termed as high-risk investments by a lot of high-profile traders and that isn't taken in a negative sentiment by anyone because crypto indeed is volatile.

Correct, also money is meant to make life easier so investing, trading, etc are all actions taken to make the life easier. Life cannot be ever compared with money, full stop. Spending money and life are two very different things.

Young people usually have a higher risk appetite because they have the energy, motivation and time to take the risk. A kid cannot invest because he doesn't earn and an adult cannot take risks because they don't have the same energy and motivation.

I recall a graph or image I saw somewhere and it fits well here.

Kids have the highest energy and time but least experience and knowledge.

Adults have high energy and time along with financial freedom with moderate knowledge and experience.

Old people have rich experience and knowledge but lack time and energy.

This is why young people would take the biggest risks in terms of investments.

I also wonder why the OP equates war and investment, war and investment are very different things and over time young people have their own ideas about how to invest. I think the OP was a little drunk while making this post :D

Well if you look carefully you will see the old people usually don't risk and that's because of their age. time after time when you get older you will avoid taking risks. that's why you think many young people will take the risk of high return investments because they feel like they don't have the time/power to get up if they fall down. However, taking risks is good if you know exactly what you do, investing in stocks and bitcoin is good if you know what you are buying otherwise you are taking risks with a closed eye. Also, doesn't matter if you are old or young you should always remember to have your plan and stick to it if you have the enough knowledge about the market.

Chances are, that you won't be quite successful making money if you do not take risks, not just in crypto, but in every aspect of life. Bitcoin is also considered a high risk investment, which had extremely high returns the past few years. I've also came across this in DeFi projects. Higher risk ones had great rewards, while those who involve minimal risk, made me only a few bucks at most.

On top of that, I don't think it has much to do with age, rather than the personality and your character, some are risk takes, some others aren't.

Everything in this world that offers something will always have some form of risk involved, even those you call free oftentimes have something underlying that will of course include you staking something in return. If we would all base on your logic, then there wouldn't be a future for the cryptocurrency industry because everything here and virtually everything will involve you partaking in high-risk, high-return transactions. A majority of people who wouldn't invest in high-risk, high-reward scenarios are elderly people and that is because they pretty much have a broader experience when it comes to being cheated on by the game, so we can't really take it against them. However, we should focus on making sure that the next generation is armed with ample knowledge and information so at the very least, they can protect themselves from being fooled out of their money, and so they can impart these helpful knowledges to their children as well.

I don't think the young and naive ones are the only ones who believes in high risk high return. Also the wise and strategic ones. If you are too afraid of taking a risk, therefore you have no rights over something that could set off a huge reward. Always make sure that the risk you will take, no matter how big or how small it is, will be well analyzed and speculated so that the probability of winning will always be high. If you have no time speculating, you should not take huge risks then, those are only for people who knows how to prepare for a war.

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>Quite a bold claim, knowing that using the war analogy is actually nonsensical because you're pretty much risking not only money, but your life. You can re-earn money, but you can't re-buy your life.
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States." Would you mind to explain the logic behind someone would goes extra miles just to stop you to get money (gold coin), would you care to explain?

>There's literally nothing wrong with having high risk high reward investments as long as you practice proper bank roll management(obviously going all-in is a bad idea), and that you actually know that the investment you're making is high risk high reward in the first place.
It is obviously very wrong no matter how you argue, go ahead and gambling on the Las Vegas with all your very best practice management.

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>Between why must the risk only related to war? What about investment risk and similar risk as well?
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, if it’s not a war declaration then what is it?

>People took a high risk believing in btc and they were handsomely rewarded, I for once will not take any unnecessary risk except it has to do with earning something in return or a positive benefit, to me, not all type of risk that is worth taking, 
Is it not obvious enough nobody would want to take risk when they know very well?

>especially the type that has to do with war should be highly considered before doing anything that could lead to regrets. In any situation there are always certain people who will benefit from it reason why it is very important to think before acting.
Wars is a lot of risk taking too, do you blindly believe they don’t make risk management before going to a war?

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>Soldiers are trained before they are deployed to a battlefield. They are equipped - physically, mentally, and emotionally strong enough to do their tasks and duties for the country. In simpler terms, they are fit for their job because, in the first place, that kind of job position requires certain qualifications to be able to secure a spot.
this is just a risk assessment in my humble opinion, they are making sure they can successfully execute the war. If the wars failed they couldn’t make profit.

>But this is totally unrelated to cryptocurrency. World war doesn't equate to crypto. You are making the wrong analogy here.
Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States." Is it not slightly related?

>In cryptocurrency, you only risk what you can afford to lose. You should know that the moment you entered the crypto world.
what do you know? the coin?

>High risk, high return is applicable only if you know what you are doing and you analyzed and studied your move before doing so. Risking a high amount will be nonsense if you'll invest it in the wrong coins. Hence, you should do your own technical analysis first and make sure you'll regret nothing once things go wrong.
Do you know Las Vegas casino? High risk high return? You can beat them into net loss?

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If you compared between war and investing, they are totally different. It's not comparable, war is a risk that is very visible in its impact.  Investing is a step to financial freedom, so the risks cannot be seen with simple logic.  You must learn risk management to measure the risk of investing.  War and investment is not an apple to apple comparison.  Your logic is slightly wrong comparing the two.
explain this if you think the logic is wrong, why they goes extra miles just to stop gold? Executive Order 6102 is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States."

Definitely has some truth to it.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of deals are only available to the elite to begin with. The private equity deals that are available to a dentist, for instance, will be worlds away from private equity deals afforded to investment bankers who has a high net worth.

High risk =\= high reward always. Whilst the correlation is true in certain asset classes, it definitely does not hold in fields where some have an artificial advantage over others to begin with.

I don't understand what you mean by the problem? Are you in the military? In economics, high risk, high return, it accounts for the majority of the success they have. Compare that to the army that was sent into wars and received impermanent losses. I think it's contradictory.
The scope for economics is macro, I don't think your problem is and it has nothing to do with investment/profit

I have to say there is a good reason why we are talking about people who end up with higher returns because they took bigger risks, and that is not because they just won a lot of money, that is because they found something that none of us would have the courage to invest so much (not even just in number, but % portion of portfolio) and that was a huge risk to take, I can't do that.

For example, my "small cap" coin that I like is Swipe, it was bought by binance, doesn't mean that binance will be using it like crazy but they did, and what happened? Did that turn out to be a a big investment that turned into profit a lot? It didn't, and that is why I do not feel happy about investing into it.

However if I took a big shot at it, I would have lost a lot of money with it, I see this and I think there is no need to invest into smaller caps like that, it just solidifies my belief. On the other side there are people who goes out there and puts 50% of their whole money into some small cap and make a great return, it is really brave.

I am not a genius, I am only a normal guy. I don't stuck at high risk high return pattern in investment. For example if I invest in my friend's new project while he don't have any skill and experience then I take a big risk but there is no opportunity to get high return. In investing I looking for the lowest  risk and higher return that I can get. In my point of view Bitcoin provide small risk and higher return rather than bank deposit and etc. The price is volatile but since I know it then I only need to know when to buy and when to sell. If there is a new altcoin project which has great people behind it I will still invest in it although the risk is higher than bitcoin but it has very good potential to give me higher return. Now I invest in TRX because I think it has good potential to get big market share of gamers community.

High risk takers end up being either big winners or big losers.

If you have nothing and you want to succeed fast, the only way to do it is taking high risks. If you win it could be big, if you lose it wouldn't matter much as you started with nothing.

But, for the average Joe, who has a job, a mortgage, a family... this high risk = high return fallacy is way too risky. The only argument that is true is that high risk = high risk.

I agree that it has a lot to do with personality. Risk takers won't hesitate, and we all know case studies about them, successful entrepreneurs who made a fortune thanks to their bravery, but those who are more cold and logical will learn the rules of the game in such a way that they will know how to win without the necessity of risking anything. For example, when we talk about venture capital, the ones who are risking a lot are the entrepreneurs there, not the fund itself: in this relationship we can see both personality types clearly defined.

In crypto we can see it clearly too: there are the ones who invest the money they can't afford to lose, and others that will win (more or less) no matter the odds, just like the typical brokers of wall street who earned money whether their clients won in their trades or not.

High Risk High Return are basic fundamentals on investment. and that must be accompanied by knowledge, experience, the concept is old and can still be applicable with any investment choices, knowledge is also needed in all kinds of investments, if carelessly and just because people brave to accept risk without having knowledge first and without experienced there will be problems later. either about how to manage it or something else.

not young guys but what can i see is more older age groups are being scammed because they have the money to invest but they can have a less knowledge on what they are going thru but younger groups today are more inteligent because they are exposed all the time in thier smartphones and pc's. 
they will know if what is hot and what is not,  they will research if that is trusted or scam.

you are talking about the shallow thinking of young people, but in my opinion not really because the high risk of losing everything is very high, the profit is nowhere to be seen, only to lose everything. only their property. Like you say people join soldiers and they think that risk will win, not necessarily right but not necessarily wrong depending on the situation.

It is because sometimes high risks makes good returns in favor of the one's who have the courage to take the risk of getting into something that he believes could possibly grow into something that is interesting. Most of the people are getting afraid of the consequences of the high risks actions being done by young minds because of no assurance that it would success and progress for the long run. But come to think of it, you will never know once you have already tried it right? Risks always comes before discoveries which makes young people that many says to be naive a successful one because he have the guts to take the risks and those who criticized him will soon to follow. But that will not always apply in all situation. You still must assess before doing engagement specially if you know you will be taking a high risk action.

Young or old it doesnt really matter because there are really people who do really love to look upon big returns which they do only differ on how a certain person do realize on how big the risk involved with that.

For newbies or noobs out there then its a common act that they'll dive in without hesitance or minding off about the chance of losing and just directly make out actions without minding nor expecting to lose
but once they do have the experience and still able to take the risk same on the time when they had just started then there are really people who do really have this kind of fixed mindset.

Doesnt need neither you are old or young because risk takers would really be aiming for high return.

Too much confidence is not good, you're only thinking and considering yourselves to be brave but actually the knowledge is lacking. That's really a wrong mindset because there's no easy task in return of your efforts to earn an easiest profit. We need patience, instead of risking your money on unknown investments, and one example I wanted to share here was ponzi scheme and several projects that has unknown platforms.

New projects hold no guarantees these days that they will be more profitable from those old coins. Scammers are rampant and so we have to be more careful when it comes to choosing for coins to invest. I still have high beliefs for old and trusted coins because of their good potentials to grow their value in the days to come rather than entrusting my money into such new projects which would mean very risky to invest.

There is a bit of a miscommunication in the world right now. What we should be focusing on here is the fact that we are talking about a high risk is something you can take when you are younger and have less responsibility, if you are a 16 year old who has to work to help his family is a very different situation then a 40 year old who has a "rich daddy", so it is not really the same thing.

The point here is not really about young or old, it is more about having the chance to risk something or not risk something, if you have a lot of money and no responsibilities then you can risk some money, if you have no money and have a lot of responsibilities then you can't take a risk. In general young people have less responsibility then older people, that is why this was about age but that is just the average, there are exceptions of course to this situation.

That is the chart you have to look at when you are investing. If something is low risk and high return then its worthy, but if something is very high risk but even greater HUGE reward then it worths it as well. Like for example if there is a chance of me making 50% profit with 2% chance of losing it all, I will take it, but if I take a 90% chance of losing my money with 50x profit chance then I will end up taking that too. It is not about the risk that we take its more about the risk/reward ratio and if you can hit it then it is going to be fine.

The reality is that as long as the reward potential is good enough then the risk is fine, the riskier it gets the higher reward potential it should be. I invest according to that, for example low risk stuff like bitcoin and ethereum I put a lot of money into them (for me) and in smaller cap under 100 million cap things I put 50 bucks to 100 bucks in them. That is another way to saving your portfolio from having high risk as well.

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Time = Money
>The world of finance follows the same rule! So whoever has longer time in hand, is more willing or capable to take risk. Because that person knows that if anything goes wrong, he/she has time to recover.
for peasant like you all, you’re just a live stock to bank and government, they would never stop taking money off you even in extreme difficulty moment, pandemic is no exception, anything with loan with the bank and government would never stop rolling in debt.

>On the other hand, an old person doesn't have a lot of time in hand. So they are not much willing to take risk. It's as simple!
bullshit, everybody once have their youth too, they didn’t just magically doesn’t have a lot of time.

>However, millionaires are less prone to all this because they make their own rules! Let's not complicate this!
to make it simple, government and bank are pushing you all to make a living by gambling on high risk high return, even a toddler can get this point easily.

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I don't understand the comparison of war and investments but I agree to some point about high risk and high return logic.
you don’t need to understand anything. It’s too easy nobody should have confused to such idea.

>And for those elite, yeah, they won't be the ones that will be on the floor battling their enemies and have their lives at risk but instead they hire someone to fight for them
government officials is the most typical elite in this space, why would the government need to take risk? They never need to take risk, they could get their hand on bitcoin by just confiscating from all you plebs, you all can take risk with your money for all they care since you would take loan from the government that come with interest too, government love all of you taking loan to gambling on high risk high reward venture. They would have more than happy if you all take all the money and invested into bitcoin!

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>What I believe your post is trying to talk about is some countries who make weapon of war always like to instigate wars so that they can sell their machine and war materials
Generally every nation share some common belief. This being their bank would operate in the same manner, the government intercept into every bank operation, eventually driving inflation higher, it’s very clear inflation is man made and clearly it’s the bank and government interaction that’s the main culprit.

because for them it is business and making money and whether young people die or not isn't their business. They make agreement with some government to trade in troublesome environment so that issues of conflict will keep arising
whether you want to gambling into making high reward from high risk, bank and government would hardly care. But bitcoin and crypto has raised the eyebrow of the banker and government, they are panic to see the price keep soaring and it’s intriguing because bank and government rarely give a damn to you peasant who take risk to gamble, it’s unprecedented they’re threatened by the gamblers who are in the crypto. Is the high risk high return work just as usual to a point the bank and government decide to clamp down on bitcoin?

Entrusting funds to a new project is indeed risky, unless we can analyze a project properly, otherwise our risk will be much greater. when the price drops like this I think investing in old projects is safer, although there is no guarantee either, but at least the project already has a large capitalization

Well, if being naive is taking high risk then call me as one because the moment that I have invested in bitcoin I was ready for all the risk that there is for me to see. Also, isn't life all about taking risks and taking the win? If you don't take risk OP then you are probably a coward.

The bourse/houses always win.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350717.0

OP means that high-risk and high-reward should not be believed? As a crypto investor, isn't it a high-risk place in the crypto market? Without risk, there is no proportional return, and only if you have the ability to take risks can you be eligible for profit.

I think it's just a choice, whether you stay or change. Even though the topic you are discussing is about war which does have a link between politics and economics, in the past war was about fighting over a territory, now war is a competition for profits even though the risks are high. The problem is in your own mind, in Crypto anyone who is able to take high risks will get high profits. In price history, you can conclude that BTC is very profitable in the long run as long as you can change your mindset and know how it works. This is a market where there are buyers and sellers, haggling over prices to make a profit.

Well, OP is wrong in a lot of places, I mean it has been shown that some high risk and high reward endeavors do pay off big time so I don't get why OP is saying that people who have this kind of approach are naive, I think OP is the naive one here.

In terms of war, well you’re right about that, but when it is about economy and investment, that’s just how it is; high risk means there is likely to be high profit. It is not everyone that invests in a high risk investment that is going to make profit, some people will face the high risk and some will profit, everybody is not going to win, except those that knows what they are doing. Even at that, no matter how good you are, there are still going to be times that you’re going to face the risk and lose.

So, you misinterpreted it, because in terms of economy and investment, it is high risk and high reward. But it is not the same for war, and war is totally different from investments, it is a thing of death and is a very bad thing. Only stupid people pray for war.

Taking too much risks in trading and investing is a form of gambling. High risks taker might be luck to make good profits in certain trades while the rest could lead to bad luck. This is why it's not good to copy people's style of trading especially if it has high risks value. Lesser risks is enough to execute a trade in order to avoid unnecessary regrets.

I agree, sure there are high risk and low reward stuff in the world as well which do not make sense and not many people do that but high risk/high reward things are abundant in the world and people take that risk all the time. Even quitting your job to start your own business is not a way to make a profit that easily, it is just very hard and very high risk so you are going to end up with a very big profit if you end up with the right business.

So long story short there are many things in life that causes you to take a risk and the reward is high, it is not even just business or money, even while buying a pillow you may pay a ton of money and take a risk and if you enjoy it a lot then you are doing great but if you end up with a bad pillow you don't enjoy then you paid for nothing. So, it basically means everything in life could include high risk and high reward.

Any kind of risk is gambling, even holding might be considered gambling, because the future is uncertain. Trading is definitely a risky (but profitable) practice, which I used to do in the past. My profit could even surpass 10% on each trade, but stopped because it was too much of a gamble for me. It's a great earning opportunity, if you're willing to take such risks, I couldn't though.

I think so, it is ridiculous if you are too brave to take high risks even though there are high profit prospects, this is the importance of risk management so that we must always think about risk, it is better to look for something safer than later regretting.

The context of Op is not related to the economy and of course, war is different from the economy. It's a life and death situation and it's not a good idea to talk about high risk and high return because it looks like someone is playing their(soldiers) lives by monetizing it through the act of war. I wouldn't talk more about of it since it's a complicated situation.

Anyway, in investment the high risk, high return is a 50-50 chance and is not a good idea to encourage it to everyone because of the high risk involved. It should be better if we talk about how to minimize the risk and how to gain profit with a low risk involved.

The lower the risk the better.

Both are risky. You are correct, but choosing between gambling in a casino and holding a coin for a long period of time, as you stated, is better for me to hold a caoin because I have a higher percentage of gaining profit or if I am losing, I can cut it down so that all of my coin will not be lost, unlike gambling, which will be gone in one second if you are unlucky, unlike holding a coin which you can keep forever until it has a value

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5351180.0
When the rent money stop, pay check stop, income stop, women become hyper panic and super realistic!!

You are saying right that the youngster can take more risk then the old age peoples. A youngster is more energetic and passionate with their work. They do work with passion. But the old peoples think many times before taking any risk. But sometimes high risk goes opposite and you will struck in loss. So, just take risk which you can face. Don't take high risk that you cannot face. But high risk will give you high returns.

On peace... yes that is the point.

Age is one factor, but people of all ages are drawn to fight if they have no knowledge of the consequences... or if they have nothing to loose.

I would not say impressive, but yes, it describes in a few words half a life of learning and observation thank you.

Killing for a few weeks... money wars... too long of a topic, but the last two World Wars lasted years and killed millions.

Re Elites... yes they are young and old both, but certainly naivety is certainly not in their dictionary. Zuckerberg was not naïve, I dare to say that since he was 5.

It is not even close if you ask me. Unless you are holding some small cap very high risk coin, I would say that holding a coin profits a lot more, gambling is guaranteed loss, holding a coin is not a guaranteed loss. Can you lose money? Of course, but will you lose it all? Unless you happen to buy a coin that is so brand new that it is not even released yet and you bought it on presale and then they end up with causing you to get rug pulled or anything, then you are fine.

Go ahead and hold bitcoin, it is almost 100% guaranteed that given enough time you are going to profit and that is what people care for, making good enough profit is all we can ask for, gambling is not like that, you are going to end up losing all of your money there for sure. This is why I honestly think that gambling and long term holding are just the opposite, one makes you money while other loses you money.

That's risking not gambling. There is both risk in trading, investing and gambling. But I guess in general understanding, people just giving all of them one meaning as taking risk is equals to gambling.

In investing, there's no such as luck. They're all based on analysis and speculation, well, maybe a little of luck but it's not all about luck when someone invests and made a profit out of it.

Women always win, only guy need to take high risk venture

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5350717.msg57556628#msg57556628

it's clear that @op has an employee mentality....those who think they are safe are definitely employees and civil servants, they will not want to try high-risk things even though the profit they get can be large.  "high risk high return" is one of the words spoken by rich dad of Robert Kiyosaki.

I agree that the luck takes a part of your success but do keep in mind that you should not rely on luck. Your skill and your decision could make stuff different than what you would have thought. But, assuming that high risk investment means gambling is kinda stupid for me. Gambling is 100% luck compared to investment where investment the research and your decision are reasons why you get the profit.

The asset that you select to invest is only one of the risks that you are taking, also it can be argued that investing in bitcoin now is not such a big risk at all.

The ones that invested in bitcoin at the beginning took a big risk since they were putting their money in something which they did not knew will have any chance of succeeding, they were right on the risk they took but they could have been wrong and lost their money, so your risk is not only constituted by the asset in which you invest, but the time at which you do, the price and the amount of capital you use to do so.

Dealing with easy m0ney or simply with HYIPS is just suicide and only fools who do only believe on this one and even think that they could really get rich with this one.
Just let them be into those people who do really believe initially because sooner or later they would really be realizing on how hard to earn money and not just really
relying with luck because you are just basically doing gambling if you do have this kind of behavior and also this is why lots of people get victimized with scams
due to this kind of mindset but once you do gain experience you would realize everything.,

I never read the book rich dad which was written by Kiyosaki but the OP statement says it all and I believe zanezane is the person that's lost or don't understand much about how influential people abuse their ability, the pump/dump group set their followers as prey, and how Roi investment scam their users which is what the OP trying to point out but she said it all in parables.

Experience in the crypto world will teach us many things, therefore people who are experienced in the crypto world are usually wiser in making
decisions. While beginners usually want to get instant profits, which will only lead them to losses. The wrong mindset by assuming high risk
investment will make us get rich faster, because making money is not easy. It took a long process and patience, in the end it is not surprising
that many beginners are victims of fraud, because they really don't understand how crypto works.

Lol. The world is full of risks. Early bitcoin adopters knew the risk but guess what? They are millionaires now. If you dont know how to hold then you wont become rich.

By your philosophy of war, it's true that young people fought the war. However, calling them naive is quite unfair. They fought war because they want their loved ones to have freedom from oppression. If not those young, who else would? Those elites are old and probably business man who knows nothing but how to make money and politics. You probably have no knowledge in wars.

Indeed. Our world was full of risk which sometimes we don't give our attention that's why we have a hard time to understand everything and didn't develop ourselves. Young and naive guy know the risk, but still they try because they know they can handle it and do it without any hesitation that might they lose money because of it. And now, as we can see, some of them are already a millionaire because they make their experiences and all their mistakes as their inspiration to become better. If you know how to hold and face those hard times then you will become rich, I tell you.

Agreed, but we all knew that when we were newbies, we put our money into HYIPs because they were not yet well-known and we believed that we would make a lot of money in the long run. We initially believed it was the only way to make money and that it was also very simple, which it is not. People want easy money with little effort, which leads to us losing money and being scammed. But now that people are aware of it, scammers are becoming fewer as they are unable to make any money.

If you want to get good returns, then obviously you need to take a very high level of risk. Back in 2011 and 2012, no one actually believed that Bitcoin would go up by 5,000 times in a decade. So those who invested in it back then were taking an extremely high amount of risk. Now you will not get another 5000 times return, if you invest in Bitcoin at the current levels. For that, you need to invest in newer projects. But those with 5-6 years of experience in the cryptocurrency sector will be able to better select the projects that have a good future potential.

This is true, they are not even close because in gambling house edge guarantees losing money. I personally believe that investment is the only way out of poverty in this world, I have met with people who had 40% savings rate, that means they save 40% of all their income, which is insane to think about, if I wanted to do the same thing I would have to stay at home all day, even maybe make more than I do right now just a bit, and eat remain food every single day, eat very cheap and bad food, and do nothing.

At the end of the day just the bills I pay every month is about 20% of my whole salary anyway, which means that I am left with a very tiny amount, considering I smoke (which I should stop I know) I end up with another 10% just from that.

So long story short is it possible to do something like this? It is possible but at the end of the day you would have to live a horrible life for a decade and then you can retire, I do not think that 10 years of horrible life would be psychologically good afterwards.

People who learn a lot from the mistakes they have made, they begin to be able to face every risk that exists in crypto investment. So don't ever
be lazy to learn, because learning a lot can make us grow and make wise decisions. Even many investors who are already rich and successful,
never stop learning, because it keeps them on the right track. So most of the rich people have gone through many experiences in their lives,
because being rich cannot be obtained overnight.

Your example does not seem to me appropriate for the economy and the brick market. Here we have Bitcoin that has shown incredible profits in 10 years.
If you sold all your property and invested in Bitcoin for 5 years, it would be a very high risk, but with an equally huge reward.

You should be!

This would be requiring continuous learning because we are improving and there are changes which would really be needing new knowledge on making yourself to be safe or aware on what would be the actions you would really do on certain situation or condition.

Human beings are naturally greedy but when you are knowledgeable you would able to save your ass up.

Even though what you are saying is not very clear, I would however say that talking about war, the soldiers that go to war do so to keep their nation safe even though most of them end up sacrificing their lives for you and me. Secondly went it comes to cryptocurrency investment, people will also invest in whatever they think will make you profit even if you are not guaranteed.
Risk is part of life, you travelling is a risk because anything can happen on the way and in everything, you must understand that there are winners and losers.

It's popular that there's a family that have sold their properties and everything for bitcoin on the year 2017, IIRC. It's before the bull run on that time and that guy's family is surely enjoying the risk that they've taken.

That example you've given, it's not that everyone can avail that but only a few and rare people have that guts to do it.

Elites make money at every situation that is why they are being an elite, and I don't like your comparison though because it sucks. People who are joining in the border force and army has the motto of serving the nation and ready to give their life at anytime so don't insult them as profit and investment.

I still remember a video where some bearded guy sold his house and bought Litecoins... not 100% sure, the price was around $3 at that time!

The headline is wrong, only young and naive people don't think about the consequences of the high risk! Focused on possible high returns they don't think about what can/will happen after making a wrong move!
High risk can bring high returns, it's happening all the time. But there's the other side of that coin, probably a bigger one, full of people who tried and lost!

High returns are priced that way to pay participants for TAKING A RISK. It is magical thinking to consider high rewards without being intentional and alert to consequences.

I think taking high risk in trading or investment has nothing to do with age, some people by nature are inclined towards gambling to get quick rich but  my learning through experince and life time observation taught me a clear lessson that  such adventures eventually end up in disaster with some exception when they win becuase luck is on their side. Risk managment is a science and we should learn it before jumping into any kind of trading and i can say with confidence you will win most of the time when you follow it.

Old people are not necessarily wise, this is related to a person's mindset. sometimes even the young ones can calculate everything well. in trading between gambling and trading is always debated. but rest assured for those who gamble here of course it will not last long in the crypto market. it is different for those who are experienced, of course they will be calmer in dealing with profit or loss, because both are common things in trading

Absolutely. I don't think is about age even though I do understand why the poster might think this. Older people have come a long way from investments and must have learnt a lot over those times and might have not withness investments as volatile as what we have with Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies today. Now the younger generations that are coming into the market might also be looking at it as a get rich quick thing hence all the losses you will hear and that don't mean older people are not involved in it too.

My personal experience tells me that every time I say high-risk and high-return, I always remember the high-return but always forget the three words high-risk habitually.

OP, at first, after reading your post and couple of first replies I thought you were just trolling. But with reading your detailed replies later I got an impression that you really want to talk about something important, but you don't have much to say, and you keep repeating same things all the time,some of which are total nonsense like this one:


and others showing that you don't understand how economy works, like this one:


Do you know that inflation is actually good for the economy? Yes, it shouldn't be too high, I'm talking about a moderate one, but from your post it looks like you think of inflation as absolute evil.

We take risks all the time: in some instances we succeed, and we fail in others. That's life, and it's beautiful. Your argument that we shouldn't take risks because some "elite" benefits more than we do is unconvincing to me.

This fact is somewhat too general and sometimes misinterprets some points, it is generally more accurate to risk based on the investor's economic background, a person with good economics won't worry about losing a few thousand dollars while a person with poor economics will be the opposite. It's just one of a few small factors, but it can be said that believing in that rule is an incomplete experience, however, we cannot attribute all of that deficiency to young men, age does not define a person's experience

Experience doesn't always imply better skills in this or that field, so I agree with you. But with that said, I want to note that believing in high risk high return isn't necessarily a bad thing. You just have to weigh your options carefully, and if you put something at high risk, it should be something you can afford to lose.

Agreed, I believe high risk high return is a very broad term. For example, my friends are all into trading, but after they've burned through their accounts, they're all into axie, which is high risk at the time, but has a bright future, so we could say it's also high reward. I now regard them as wealthy because they are willing to take risks and recognize that they will not always be able to recoup their investment. I believe that the HYIP or ponzi schemes he is referring to are the majority of them, as there are currently only a few.

I don't know when your friends invested in Axie, but if that happened before the end of June this year, they've got 10x to 17x return by now, which is really amazing. However, if they invested much more than they could easily afford to lose, even though they have become rich this time, I would advise against such behavior in the future lest they become poor.

sometimes they force to play war, they dont have any option, just do it first before the opponents do it first to you.
and yeah, mistake you made will give high percentage of winning. pilling up experience make user stronger.
high risk high return is absolute thing, and knowledgeable with full of experience is absolutely absolute

What i get from high risk high return is not really can be implemented in crypto. Because sometimes high risk not give us really good return in the end especially if we made investment. Percentage of risk and return is all depends on the coin itself. Because  sometimes we use small amount of money which it made us to think it will risk a litle from all our money give us big profit.

Risking more is just like spending more money on crypto having an assumption that they can make more profit from it which I think was not impossible. I don't think also that it was not applicable in the crypto space. Imagine, if you are buying Bitcoin worth $10k before, you can imagine how much it was today, yeah, you can simply never think it before because it was not how we look into Bitcoin. But for now, many have got attracted to invest in Bitcoin, and despite the high risk, we never lose our hopes.

They are been attracted with the profit that's why many want to join without even thinking the risk, although its quite possible to earn on crypto but we should need to learn on how to counteract on our losses since if we just lame around and think about I can lose what I put then provably we will struggle to earn.

But if investors will invest and know about the risk then its good to let hem do it since they will realize that how hard to gain on bitcoin and cryptocurrency.

Because they see it in terms of a very fast increase and think of a lot of profit without thinking of risk and it is true that the average person comes just to do that without doing any learning and experience when trading / investing in crypto so this will be a lot of failure and cannot be returned its high risk.
Actually, there are so many ways on how as investors to know about the risks that exist, they even see the risk first compared to the profits, so we will find it easier and more confident in choosing the coin of our choice.

First of all, it's war. What's the return for war? It's not high risk high return I guess, it's high risk zero return. Nothing can be gained from war, only sadness, misery and nightmares. Meanwhile, I believed in high risk high return in an investment. There are also a lot of articles and journals regarding that thing too, so are you saying that those scientific researches are wrong? If there's low risk high return, of course many people want that. But life is not a paradise, it's not that easy. There might be something low risk high return for the elites, but it's only for those with privilege, and for the one who don't have? they have to take the risk of course in order to gain something big in return.

Here's a lesson for you, the elite don't need to take risk because even in the safest bet, they will still make a lot of money compared to us who aren't part of that circle jerk, it's inevitable that we have to take risk. It's not naive, it will only be naive if we are uninformed regarding that investment.

I get that people may not feel like high risk high return is not a thing, but it is a thing. Is it a good thing? Well depends, if its high risk then it means that eventually you will have horrible days and you will have good days rarely as well, after all its high risk and rarely we see high risk stuff return high rewards at all times, we see them scarcely and that is why they are high risk, otherwise it would be low risk high return and everybody would have done that.

This is why I honestly believe that we should not be looking into high risk high returns as just one concept, sure it doesn't sound too good when I tell you "the most probable outcome is that you will lose your money", sure that sounds horrible but the reality is that we are going to have a huge return if it works out. So, if I re phrase and say that "there is a 1% chance that you will profit but if you put in 10 dollars you may make 1 million dollars" then people will usually say "what the hell its just 10 dollars" and buy it. That is lottery for you.

Guys, be careful with such notions, because you can start risking too much out of desperation, while it's not necessary these days.

The elite used to have a huge advantage in the past. The more you go back in time, the greater that advantage was. Say, 500 years ago, if not in the elite you had zero chance of succeeding, risking or not. Today, especially during the latest 20 years, things have changed, a lot. With the help of the Internet you can get any knowledge and valuable info, and the elite has little to no advantage in this regard. So, it's not like your only option is to take big risks, no, not any more. Just educate yourself and win the game. No need for desperate moves.

I recall some other "desperate moves" here in the forum wherein the OP wants to sell all his assets including his house, just for the sake of investing it in crypto. There's just that those people that think that they can go long step forward just to get ahead of these elites.

I agree that the Internet is sufficient enough for every knowledge, and most of the resources out there are even free and being published almost everywhere. Some are even being published in Youtube and that's a plus, because not everybody is a fan of reading.

What about DEX with high APR ? Few months ago, when https://biswap.org/ appeared, they offered plans with several thousand APR. Their exchange token even had +3k% on the start and now has ~150%. What we see now is: high risk = checked, high return = check. This DEX right now is on top positions among new gainers and high popularity.

If DEX is not a total swamp, can it be counted as OK for "high risk high return" ?

No way! There are more older people who believe in high-risk high-return investment. Most young people nowadays are more financial literate and more careful in their investment. With technology, young generations able to invest in calculated risk.

This is something I agree with! I believe that this generation is mostly financial literate because they are aware of it through the internet; however, those older guys that I know who have little knowledge of this are the ones who are getting scammed by high risk returns; yes, they can manage money, but when it comes to a high return on their investment, they are more likely to invest than the younger once since they are researching and finding peoples testimonials about it.

Older people have a lot more patience to invest they are less prone to emotions they are more confident in real life, so they are very careful about investing but young people are very emotional they can't do anything with patience they lose everything by gaining more quickly young people are never able to take high risk.

The philosophy behind this post is wrong. You cannot combine the military risk in war and the opportunity to make a profit together. Although wars in most cases have economic goals, this is from the side of the attackers. On the part of the people who defend themselves, this philosophy is wrong. There is a saying that the people who do not want to feed their own army will be forced to feed someone else's. That is, each state must have its own strong army, which must be ready at any time to engage in battle with the attacking enemy. In this case, the military have the right and the obligation to risk, including their own lives.
Each state has its own elite. The level of her legitimate actions depends on the level of corruption in the country and other factors.

There is a wrong assumption being made by the OP. He feels that it is the young people who make mistakes for most part in the cryptocurrency sector. However, I have to say that the reality is very different. Look at various Ponzi schemes which involved cryptocurrency, such as OneCoin and PlusToken. Most of those who lost their money were middle-aged or elderly. I would say that OP should remove the "young" word from the title. Inexperienced users are more likely to make mistakes, and it doesn't matter whether they are young or old.

Indeed, newbies are often the one who likely to commit mistakes because they are lacking of knowledge and easy to convince for a high reward but high risk type of investment. However newbies has no age bracket so you can engage yourselves regardless on how old you are, thus it doesnt mean they're specifically young people.

What im certain is if you fill your mind with knowledge and aware of what you're getting into, its unlikely for you to fail or commit the usual mistake of newbies.

Patience and ability your risk management determine that whether you'll pay off or not. There are so many people who have lost their control very beginning before taking profits. So, what's the best way to get high returns without taking risk? Creating a safe zone only limited your income sources.

The tragedy of such situations is that people, in the most cases when selling everything they have, they don't even invest in BTC or ETH, they invest it in sh*tcoins expecting a high return, much higher than what they could expect from investing in BTC or ETH. And, of course, they lose everything to the scammers. 



That's how you are getting ahead of these elites: through acquiring knowledge, no through "high risk high return".

Selling the house to invest in cryptocurrencies might be one of the riskiest prospects I have heard in a long time. I am not sure if they were serious or not but such options don't end well.

You are right, these moves are actually desperate and although good for the crypto community, the person doing such things needs to actually calm down a bit and understand that it's not like BTC will be 1 million within a week. They have time to plan how to invest and alternatively, they can also earn crypto which means you get paid much higher for the same work.

For example: If you design a website and get paid $100 in crypto, and the price doubles in a year, you simply earned $200 for the same task.

Especially when we are not ready, of course, investing that has a high risk is not an option,
Talking about investment, of course, there will always be risk, whether it's small or big.
when it has a big risk it will be a gamble but indeed we have to really consider it

I believe that it is not that young make mistakes, but young make mistakes based on high risk and high return. That is sort of true, of course there are older generation that do make mistakes like that, but the older you grow the wiser you get that nothing in life is that easy and you can't just put 100 bucks into something and make a profit from that. Which is why we are looking for things that can make us richer in years, or even over a decade whereas young still do not realize that and all their tech startup dreams and crypto richness and many other stuff like that and this is why we have to realize that young go into high risk high reward a lot more than anyone else.

Doesnt really matter because any investment does have risk neither big or small then it would always be having it and you should really prepared for that one but i do totally disagree about
on being naive to those people who do take risk and younger ones do really have that kind of adventurous kind of behavior and you wouldnt really able to get some potential earnings
if you dont risk up.It is just that there are people who do really gamble out to something because they do see some potential then its up someones to take if they would
really be making some decision.

High risk really means high return but at the same time it means high probability of loss and no one talks about that. People say like if you want a lot of money, you have to risk a lot but they don't say - if you want to become poor, you have to risk a lot. I.E. people only love to talk about the one side of the medal.
Also, the rich people this man talks about, still risk but the difference is that we are responsible for their risks and we pay the price for it but we don't get the reward, to say shortly, they risk and they get rewarded but we pay anyway.

Lol you are comparing wars with investment? That's the most absurd comparison I have ever seen. What happens in a war is totally different. And it is true that high risk gives high returns. As long as you willing to risk high, there is a chance you will make a profit. But the chance is very low, hence the term "high risk". Just because you are taking high risk doesn't mean that you will be making profit every time. There is a chance that you will lose everything. Think of shitcoins. They are high risk investment because 99.9% of the time you will lose literally everything. But again there is this 0.1% chance that might change your life. Now its up to you if you would like to risk it or not.

The truth is that all kind of people can fall into the trap of taking a very high risk in order to make money in the market quickly and the reason is simple, if you see the ads that are all over the Internet about cryptocurrencies and how you can trade them you can see that exchanges offer leverage as the magic key for people to multiply their gains at a great speed, but what they do not tell you is that just as you can earn many times more money with leverage you can lose that much money as well making it incredibly unlikely that anyone that uses leverage as a newbie can obtain profits in the market.

We've always been a one-sided mate. Most of us will keep saying we can really make a decent profit from investing in Bitcoin and encourage people to make a deal with it. We always focus on how to make money from here neglecting to think that we might lose everything we have for just a single mistake. And the reason why? It was because we wanted to keep positive, we wanted not to brag about these negativities as this will be the reason why we got to fail.

Gambling might have been a good source of income if there was no advantage to the casinos, the house edge. Trading is profitable and a superior way of making money as compared to gambling because you aren't fighting a house edge.

I don't know why people feel that taking risks is a bad mentality when the richest guys have all taken huge risks to become what they are now. Recently everyone is talking about Elon Musk so for anyone who doesn't know, the guy took a huge risk to launch his rockets and kept trying until he was nearly bankrupt and succeeded.

Every token trade is High risk we all traders know it. But after that we take the risk for more profit we all of know that no risk no gain. China recently tells they support this token then prie is increase day by day.Young take a good place as soon as possible.

I negate the notion for high risk equivalent to high return, let take a look from this direction, the difference between the skills and unskilled labour, who take the most risk in service delivery, all the skilled labour need to do is plan, arrange and organize a structure and give directions for proceedings, but the unskilled labour will be the ones to carried out the task, market it, advertise it, and had a direct contact with the buyers, and in the case of the craftsmanship, they use their energy, labour to achieve a desired work specification under the sun or in the rain to ensure the task is done, the unskilled labour get little pay while the skilled labour is paid higher in most business settings.
Physical hard works and labour is not equivalent to getting rich or high return or earnings but a constructive "idea" does, having a good ideology can bring a solution to a lingering problem over years. Another interesting fact is that the higher the risk the higher the return is not applicable in crypto as it mostly sounds to be a signal to scams and fraudulent schemes who appear in such manners in the digital world of Cryptocurrency.

People search for risks free investment, and they end up being scammed. It's the mentality of the majority. Without risk, there's no gain, simple as that. There are no guarantees when it comes to investing, businesses, gambling, it's trying and pushing what makes the difference between successful people and failures.

Elon Musk is just one of the people who took the risk and made something big, and it's the formula, believe something, and push it till the end, even when it's hard. There are no shortcuts to success.

All investment involves some level of risk no doubt but there some certain risk that don't need taking just because investment involves risk, for example, crypto investment involves risk but it varies from project to project, investing in already established project like btc, eth, bnb are lest risker than in new project, the risk is high so is the reward if you are lucky.

In cryptocurrency I think we must be prepared in terms of facing a risk,
because indeed whether it's trading or investing in coins each has a different level of risk,
what is clear i don't think we can avoid a risk

Everything in crypto is a risk as we can't guarantee the price of it and being no ability to control its value. But we can say its still a good decision to have and try it as we can make our money grow more if were able to invest in a good project or if we got in the right time were the prices keeps pumping.

As for cryptocurrencies, the principle of high income for high risk also works, because if you invest in an already known coin,then you will not get such a high income. Yes, your income will be more guaranteed and the cryptocurrency is already well known to investors and everyone more or less knows what to expect from it in the near future, but this is what limits the degree of future income. All this is usually not there when you invest in a new coin and get a big risk that you will not only not pay back your investments, but even lose, and this applies not only to an outright scam, because this is a common feature of all new projects that there will not be the right niche in the market and the project will fail.

Smart people do not risk something that is uncertain. Elon musk invested in something that is well established and the total market cap is over a trillion dollars. He knew about the potential of crypto. Crypto is still in the early development stages and this is the right time to invest in anything when most people don't know about it. the smart investment comes with a little bit of risk but not uncertainty.

I still remember in my early days, when I lost some money by investing in shitcoins such as Terracoin, Quark and Labcoin. These projects died down after the initial hype, because as soon as the promoters were able to dump their holdings, they just moved on to other projects. And this happened a lot in 2014-15 period. A lot of the ordinary users lost their money by investing in shitcoins. And this made me extra-cautious, when good projects such as Ethereum appeared in the market. I decided not to invest in ETH, based on the previous experience with the shitcoins.

Bitcoin today is not "high risk - high return", that's what I agree with. Being at around $50k how much higher it can rise? Well, I personally think that something in between $100k and $200k is possible, but we can't expect 100x return, like sh*tcoin scammers promise to their victims. But for some people 2x or 4x is not enough, they aim at 100x, yeah, why not, "be brave" ... only in many cases the chances are not small, but really zero.

I agree and that's quite the right interpretation of the current situation. Young people are obviously more energetic and hence more attracted towards flashy investments but that doesn't mean young people are the only ones losing money to such schemes. I am not sure about what age group people lost money in the gigantic PlusToken scam but they were all inexperienced and naive because no Ponzi can pay you forever.

The easiest or the least risky way of making the highest amount of money is to recognize your strengths because a dog trying to climb a tree will never succeed no matter how hard he works. A monkey on the other hand would do the same thing without any guidance or experience because that's what suits him and he's good at.

"High risk, high return" is not always the case, I agree with you. In this market, taking a risk doesn't mean that you will definitely make a little or a lot of profit in the future. This market is highly volatile as we all already know. Volatility means that everything can happen in this market. While you are preparing to make an investment into a cryptocurrency, you are already accepting to take this risk. You might even never make profit and you can even lose all of your money. One should always be aware of this before making an investment. There is no guarantee for anything here.

kind of mistake that we will bring up to know, learning how to move forward and not to be afraid of risking again and again,
There are traders who wisely invest with knowledge, they are more prepared as they understand that there's still possitibilties
if you don't stop doing your DYOR.

If you failed once, it doesn't mean that you will keep failing it just another way of informing you that you maybe missed  something
in doing your research, better to check it out and adjust for much better success.

Young people may be quite energetic, but in most cases they don't have surplus funds in their hand to make investments. In case of PlusToken scam, it was mostly pensioners who lost money. They got fooled with the promise of sky high returns and invested their hard earned money without double checking about the authenticity and viability of the project. And PlusToken was perhaps the largest scam in cryptocurrency sector. Total losses amounted to many billions of USD, mostly in China and other East Asian nations.

Long term or short term, right now Bitcoin is not "high risk - high return". No trader expects BTC going 100x in 2-3 months, which happens sometimes with altcoins. Today investing in Bitcoin(short term) you can lose 50% of your investment in the worst case scenario, but hardly more than that. And you will hardly get more than 2x return, short term again. While some sh*tcoins can give you 20x-50x in a short term, and at the same time you can lose 95% of your investment very quickly, which happens most of the time. And that's what is "high risk - high return".

parents are not too interested in something related to online or the internet, in contrast, young people prefer something related to the internet and practical. emotional is very closely related to a person's age, but not the only benchmark to determine an investment.

Well, this is one thing that we won’t be able to stop. There will always be some young people who are foolish and will be misled by the elites. These are the people who have decide that they are going to be useless with their life and wouldn’t look for any meaningful thing to do with their life. So, when they are approached by those elites and given pennies, they will be ready to risk their lives for the elites who will stay at the top and away from the risk. These elites are wise enough and wouldn’t send their children and family to take on tasks like this. It’s very bad how they keep using the foolish youths.

Not just for young guys out there. A desperate newcomer who is old enough but merely just learned about BTC will come to crypto to invest to gamble in crypto because by nature crypto is a high risk especially for altcoins.

Some of them initiate to learn Defi and POS in an attempt to profit but this is even riskier without guidance from the old-timer in crypto. It didn't stop them even after sending some BTC to scammers, they still invest in crypto.

I agree that the level of risk we will face is different when investing in crypto. Investments in popular projects such as BTC, ETH and BNB are
indeed less risky. If we compare it to investing in new projects that have just entered the exchange, the risk will be higher, but the profit generated
can indeed be much greater. So back to each of us, what kind of decisions are we going to make. My advice for newbies is to invest in popular
projects, because newbies don't have experience and good analytical skills. So forcing investment in new projects, there is a high possibility of
losing all the capital.

Taking high risk doesn't guarantee you a high return every time. It is a really ridiculous saying I think. If you fall for it, there is a high probability for you to lose maybe all of your investment amount or most of it. In this market, taking higher risks can take you to really interesting places. So I think that the best thing to do is to make a regular investment into some coin and go on with it.  ;D

There are instances that the new projects sometimes poise small risk just like the big project in the sense that you always feel safe when one try to go all in them. For example, making investment in a project that's backed by Binance or other highly reputable venture capitalist are always bullish because of the reputation and what they have done in the previous projects.
Some may give instant return and some may give in the long run or perhaps you may come out at even point without profit or loss.

I do think that when the investment revolves around investing into cryptocurrencies, the risks are slightly higher compared to investing in stocks, etc. The reason is because of the latter's high volatility that the slightest increase/decrease on its price could mean thousands or millions in gain/loss depending on one's capital. Though many have regarded cryptocurrencies to be in a form of a 'high-risk' investment, I see it everyday as an opportunity as a short-term investment with minimal risk.

I agree with what you said. It depends on the investment as they involve a level of risk. But if you would based it on price history alone, investing into BTC has the highest potential of earning a person substantial amount of income if one should invest long-term.

And for me, take only the risk if your gut feel is saying that the project is worth venturing with. Don't hope for miracles to happen, because it won't. There are some indications if the project will hit it off such as - they are sold out fast during ICO/IEO or any crowdsourcing campaign, they have working product already with active users, the team members are well-known in the industry, they have top companies on board, and others. But aiming for return multiple times of your initial investments is not a guarantee as it may take time to achieve in that position.

If there is accountability in place, then there is no issue in taking a certain amount of risk. But from what I have seen, there is no accountability with 90% of the projects. If the project fail, only the investors and the bounty hunters suffer losses and the promoters will just move on to other projects. This has resulted in a scenario where the promoters get too complacent. Since they don't lose much even if the project fails, the development work slows down, or halts completely once the ICO is completed. The investors may still get back some of their money, but for the bounty hunters it is a loss making exercise.

This is not really accurate, when you are trading there is in fact an edge that the exchanges give themselves and it is called the spread, you're never really going to buy a coin by the price that it currently has, you buy it for a price slightly higher so every single trade that you begin as a trader is one in which you are already losing money and it is up to each trader to be able to overcome this factor because if they are not able to do it then they are going to be long term losers.

And just deal with the risk that you'll take for each of those coin that you're going to invest.

It is very important to take those risk and know how high or low they are because it's your money that's being invested. Whether you're young or not, it is normal to take risks.

They go to war not because they are naive and young but they have their own reasons, to protect, or sometimes they don't have any choice and are manipulated. And about the high-risk high return, you are right from this. Those elite or those who have knowledge of certain situation make the naive people take that risk and them believe that they can get more profit if the risk is higher, so because of lack of knowledge they follow them and believe them.
When it was about earning money, risk is always there. But the high risk hig return is true sometimes. If you invest large capital then you can posibbly earn very big amount. But it is not always like this because if didn't go on your way they your lossing to much.
So probably, before taking any risk, big or small you should accumalate knowledge and infos first before taking that risk.

On the other hand, we should know our capabilities not just because someone did, we also have to follow even though it was beyond our comfort zone. We should be wise in spending money otherwise it was gone out of our control.
High-risk, high-return, we don't mind this if we don't believe and besides, not all of us are can afford to invest huge amount. It was better to have knowledge of what we did as this is the only way it helps us to reach our goal.

agree that not everyone can afford to invest large sums. That's why we must have the knowledge and good financial management. I think the profit little by little if we are good at managing it will be big, it is much better than people who have a lot of money without knowledge.

We should do our own research to minimize the risk but it's also great learning if you experience it first hand.
Even traders learn things the hard way when they start trading on a real market.
It's either you win or learn should be the mindset of these young investors, we just learn during the process.

Both are very important both in investing and when trading,
when we do not have the knowledge and are desperate to invest I think it will only be a waste of time and most likely will lose,
Moreover, if someone invests in large amounts of course the risk is high

I'm not sure why you'd compare investment in a war with soldiers. It's very different, and I have no issues with high-risk, high-reward investments. It's perfectly normal to invest a large sum of money at high risk because you believe in the project and have done extensive research on it, and you believe that if you invest in it, you will make a large profit.

Furthermore, even though bitcoin is a reputable and leading cryptocurrency, we should expect a massive downfall at any time, so we can't be financially broke just because we've invested a lot in it.

There someone has said"No risk No gain".The risk is the game of Unflinching belief. These are the persons who have the courage to gain or lose. They are successful. They are strong muscular. The person in the world in all fields of life got fame and victory who fight to do or die. There are many examples of commanders, soldiers, politicians, sportsmen, etc. Who got success under this commitment.
So in the matter of business maybe crypto or bitcoin the persons who take the risk they earned well.

If you truly understand the risk of a high-risk high-reward type of investment it doesn't mean you're an idiot. As long as you have risk management to whatever type of investment you were trying to commit, you'll never be on the point of losing all of your money. Remember, you'll never be successful if you don't take the risk but there will only have 2 results, either you win or lose.

Agree with this because we all know that successful people take risks. We don't know their stories, but I am confident that they risk everything they have just to be where they are now. You can't gain anything if you don't take a chance. However, this does not mean that you should take any risks; you should conduct thorough research and not put all your eggs in one basket.