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Today, Twitch took to their verified Twitter account (https://twitter.com/Twitch?t=qTgWjvA6MwKELNbY-kkcoQ&s=09) to announce that they will be banning gambling streaming in their platform by October 18th this year, - this is less than a month from today.
In their announcement, they said the banned gambling sites will include stake.com, Rollbit.com, Duelbits.com, Roobet.com etc.
They said that they will identify other gambling platforms and ban them too as the move forward.

See the announcement below.

https://i.imgur.com/S3pyYdu.jpeg


Link to the official announcement (https://twitter.com/Twitch/status/1572347129192132611?t=zsfuN4S3ZuZkkt8_T0KgIw&s=19)
Link to publish news: https://remitano.com/home/ng/post/105248-twitch-to-ban-crypto-gambling-livestreams-after-backlash-from-influencers (https://remitano.com/home/ng/post/105248-twitch-to-ban-crypto-gambling-livestreams-after-backlash-from-influencers)

What do you guys think of this development?
According to the published article, the reason for the ban is due to backlash they(Twitch) received from influencers.

Do you think backlash received from influencers is enough reason for Twitch to ban gambling streaming on their platform?

I guess yes.

Also, with the case of "Slick" who dm every Influencer to borrow money for gambling is make the case more worst. I read the part "License", If we got license on every jurisdiction that's mean we can stream?

We all-know, stake is opening a site for US. But still, to get an approved from twitch "How the casino, can applied for that".s

According to
https://www.thegamer.com/twitch-ban-gambling-sites-october-18/

 the reason why influencers are instigating the ban is due to the fact that scammers have taken hold of the streaming platform. I know its a recent online streaming platform, unlike most other existent platforms, and with a rather porous security system, it is a sure haven for scammers to grab their bite off those unsuspecting of their ploy.
This however, is a scare notice for online users to be wary of the modus operandi of how online scammers operate and also to those who use unlicensed gaming sites.

Yes, probably the company thinks that these influencers can taint their platform among the users which is going to affect the platform so probably they are banning it and maybe government also can be the reason. But why not sport betting and poker which I don't understand? ::)

This should be interesting...

There were in the news half a year ago for getting a license in the UK. I wonder how protections differ for gamblers between the US and UK - I thought they were both bad?


I wonder if they'll turn to YouTube or if there's another streaming service (tiktok perhaps)?

Either that or a company formally regulated in the US might just buy a few streams for itself or open up some - that seems like a good way to go about this unless it could be seen as negative press (but that could be spinned too).

That is going to hurt a lot of people as some were making real good money on Twitch. I am thinking of popular streamers as Xposed, Ayezee, Foss, ... They also stream on Youtube but the go platform has always been Twitch.

Because winnings are not so instant in those games IMO. You need to think, you have to use your brain in order to win in those games, you can't win x1000 (for the slots) or x36 for the roulette in few seconds by just clicking one button.
I don't really understand why they have banned dice games and not Blackjack, Baccarat, Andar Bahar, Teen Patti and any casino card games but gambling streamers will maybe turn themselves toward these games to continue their gambling streams.

They probably can't control it or something. Upon reading the article, it's about the crypto wagering problem that occurs with streamers. They have probably built something already and would move to a new platform. I think that's what's going to happen. They wouldn't have an enormous backlash since most users there aren't for gambling slots, but games.

All these gambling sites can die. Imagine if youtube ban ads they don't have as many as  visitors. as now.

That is a pretty big development from them and it did seem like the gambling section had exploded lately with these activities. It makes sense really because there is no skill involved in these type of platforms and the outcomes are all predefined statistically speaking. Twitch was also opening itself up to all sorts of pressure from regulators in various countries because they have such a young viewership and could potentially have been the subject of fines or more. You could tell that all of those casinos were constantly pushing the limits of what would be allowed and it's rare to find streamers who will actively admit to their privately orchestrated advertising deals.

I guess I was partially wrong on what I said on the other thread regarding twitch not banning gambling streaming content.

anyway, just to be clear, they are banning streaming content from gambling sites that do not have US license? but would also allow content from gambling sites to stream sports betting content and poker as long as they focus on those fields despite not having a US license?

Pretty much devastating for the gambling streamer who had established their stronghold on Twitch, on the contrary, this is an opportunity for other streaming platforms to accommodate these gambling streamers, especially the newly established one.

The negative impact does affect both parties but of course, it is greater on the steamer.  I guess once this banned is implemented, most of these streamer will use youtube more.


Or it can make way for new streaming platforms to rise.  These streamers will look for an alternative since streaming is their bread and butter.  These affected streamers will definitely announce where will be their next platform once gambling streaming is banned in twitch.

It wasnt clarified if this would be a total or global ban without any exemptions whether about having that US license or not.I do remember out about that topic if Twitch is doing the right thing of allowing gambling

and as i responded also into that thread that it would really be depending on the situation if there are some petitions and huge number of complaints or against with it then Twitch might consider it.

And now they are really indeed doing it which i could say that it would really hurt those streamers or influencers who do make huge money out on using up this platform.
Normally they would be finding another place which they could stream on.

The streamers will be back, they only try to ban slots, roulette and dice aren't licensed in US. Sooner they'd be promoting websites with .US extension and will continue doing fine again.

Why not banning in impromptu is for streamers to divert its users to other websites, maybe Rumble.com that's another streaming service and uncensored as well.

It is %100 understandable, there are little kids there and I wouldn't want them to watch gambling at all, I even suggested gore included games should be considered with some age notification, doesn't mean kids will follow but at least it should ask "are you over 18" type of deal. There are games where you decapitate other people, zombies, monsters, blood, murder, and 10 year olds could still watch it. Gambling is a bit older stuff, kids at 13-14 or a bit higher could watch it and could actually get their hands on some money or even their parents money and end up gambling because their favorite streamer does, and thats very risky.

I am skeptical that is the real reason, to me what it is really happening is that they are afraid they are going to get sued by the people that are losing money when they gamble, after all we have talked about this in the forum before and at least to me it seemed as if some or even the majority of those streaming about their gambling journeys were lying to their viewers by making it seem as if it was really easy to become profitable, something we know it is not possible in the majority of the gambling games.

I think Twitch is starting some kind of weird crusade against gambling websites, but I was never really a fun of twitch anyway so I don't care about this.
There are probably alternatives for Twitch maybe even blockchain based, but gambling websites could be affected by this cutting of promotional stream.
Maybe DLive could be alternative for Twitch, it's blockchain based and used by gamers and gamblers, I think I saw Stake giveaways there.
https://dlive.tv/

That’s enough reason to restrict those streamers because probably, this can ruin the reputation of the platform if they continue to allow it. Twitch should be more strict with this since this is gambling and we know how risky it is and many will expose to that, so if there’s any misinformation or spreading too much hype probably viewers will be affected by this.

^ The main reason could be abusing streamers that influence people through their bad streaming style.
Probably because streamers only care for the affiliate program to make money and not the content and probably that could be the reason for banning those gambling platforms there. I know it hurts anyone who relies on that platform, there are a lot of people who will get hurt especially those streamers, and also gambling casinos may reduce their target audience.

It's bad for Twitch because there is a huge market for streamers now that market will have to go to other platforms, we cannot blame them they need to establish their reputation, they are a fresh platform in video sharing sites and they need to be up to standard as what stated on their license, but they should just be more strict because there are good streamers and bad streamers, one example is abusing their followers you don't pm your followers to ask money it's ok to put donation but never ask them for money.

That controversy that got some streamer, they've put it into this decision but that doesn't stop them the whole gambling thing being streamed on their platform.

There are still allowed contents to be done by these streamers but mainly, if they're from those banned games then they'll just have to make themselves free and open to the allowed ones.

A certain profit would be gone out for those streamers that are mainly streaming with certain games from those casinos. We know that not all casinos have sports betting and many are just focused with roulettes, dice and slots.

Cancel culture is prevalent in today's society so probably yes. Policy changes in other social media platforms already happened so Twitch don't really have much of a choice but to follow what majority or some of their users wants before the case escalates further. It's bad business if they insist or if they do nothing about it.

It's obviously the biggest impact on Twitch that they have decided to ban gambling streaming for good. It has been a hotly contested topic because it is not clear on their ToS regarding gambling. But it's good to hear that they have come up with this one. For sure they will definitely lost millions in revenue and so is the gamblers taking advantage of their platform.

Sooner or later though this influencers will have to find another platform, used to their advantage and make money again. Gambling is a multi billion business and I doubt that it can be stop. Specially the crypto gambling platforms are on the rise. So this is a temporary setback to all gambling influencers.

It would be not a huge loss actually considering that Twitch isnt only making money on these gambling streamers but there are still some which is excluded into this one.Yes, it might give out some % impact but wont

really be that badly be affected on coming into a point that they would really be getting huge decrease in terms of that.It is true that there's a good reputation which is needed to be sustained and maintained which
if ever there are complaints or problems which is really included or stated on their terms and conditions then it would be normal that they would really be doing such decision.

They cannot handle the pressure this is a big decision that will have an impact on the share of the market among streaming platforms, gambling streamers will have Youtube for now, but it's only gambling streaming that is banned, they overlooked the contribution of streamers and their followers on their platform and instead opted to take drastic action on the complaints I hope streamers will comply and behave on other streaming platforms, they have revenues to protect and they have followers to feed with their live streams.

Twitch was also making money through them. More traffic, more donations, more bits bought and so on...

They're cutting their own revenue for nothing because it's not like they're against gambling since they're allowing other forms of gambling like sport bets and people are just going to move somewhere else.

It's not going to stop gamblers and it's not going to stop streamers. Pretty pointless if you ask me.

Stake is trying to buy Dlive from what I heard Eddie say on his weekend stream. If that happens, then Stake streamers will have a home. I wonder if they will allow competitors to stream as well? Buying the platform would be 1 way to monopolize the market, at least on that particular platform.

I don't see it's about banning gambling streamers but it about going against crypto casinos. Obviously platform like Google and other giants (I guess Twitch is only a small one so far) don't want crypto to have establishment of crypto over their government controlled fiat currency.

Most of the time it's the pressure from government agencies and these companies are just saving their business so that they can survive.

Definitely one good reason for Stake to dive into. If they can't just be advertised on one platform because ban, it's time for them to also have thier own and not going to be banning itself. Dlive is not very popular to regular internet users, however.  This will make probably make them advertise Dlive as well not just the casino.

Amazing how influencers today can affect CEO's decision.

What do these influencers expect to gain by getting rid of the gambling content on twitch? That the thousands of users whom can no  longer watch streams about gambling will flock back to their streams and buy subs? I seriously doubt that that happens. These users will follow the streamers they were watching to the new platforms they decide to stream on. From the streamers I watch, youtube seems to be the most popular in the discussion. From what I understand, you have some rules to follow on youtbe, but as long as you abide by their rules you will be good to go. Hard to say if Youtube examines their ToS if they see a large influx of gambling streamers on the platform.

Yup they are also going to move to Dlive. Seem a pushover CEO. The decision will result in Twitch losing users instead at the early stage of the competition.  There are many platforms to move to which they have not considered before making this ban. Youtube had removed some videos actually but they didn't ban those gambling streamers promoting casinos. If the streamers kept repeating violations probably.

But why just these Bitcoin casinos? Not a single fiat base casino was mantioned.

We guess that the government receives complaints from many people who do not want to see some family ruins because of playing gambling without responsibility.
But as @coolcoinz said, that will not stop gamblers and streamers from creating content about gambling because many other sources can still accommodate it.
It is like a war between the good and the evil because the government wants to protect their people from the danger of playing gambling ;D
But whether they will play gambling will depend on how they can be responsible for what they do so they do not get a bad impact from gambling.

it is their rights if they think that the platform had been abused and the blame is taking in their part as they are allowing those scammers and abusers using their platform , this also proves that twitch is there to listen and willing to do anything to hold the reputation of their Site in which made me salute them , imagine if all the businesses only will take this same action? it will lessen the chance of scammers abusing other people.

But this is what they must do if they will retain their reputation because I believe that their site had been abused by streamers that supports scam gambling site.
though this is not only happening in Gambling business instead in all ways that to cheat people.
they will always find home to cheat , but the good thing here is that twitch now proven that they can do action to refuse the use of each platform for cheating.

Pretty big.

I think there is a trend whereby more and more gambling ads are going to be banned around the world. In this particular case, the consequence may be that banned streamers may look for other means to continue working, but being online gambling addiction one of the fastest growing addictions and serious problems nowadays, I believe that regulations will tend to prohibit advertising it.

is this just a beginning of the movement against gambling online from those scammers and cheaters action towards the community ? there are too much abusing and too much happening for years now and Twitch just act for the betterment?
who will follow and what will be the effect in gambling businesses? this are the main concern that I think need to be addressed.

Yeah it could be problem for them as they were sponsored gamblers from different casinos to stream and attract more customers to their site giving away promo codes as well but I think they will find some more decentralised platforms where they can stream gambling without any difficulty as Twitch wouldn't support them due to their reasoning of this ban.

So, we have seen what happens when large social media platforms ban something....

A lot of alternative sites will step in to fill the void that those bans created and they will grow as strong opposition to those social media giants. We already saw how the co-owner of Stake.com (Eddie) got banned on Twitch and he simply moved to DLive.tv and now he has almost 14 000+ people watching his streaming sessions.

Eddie even said, Stake.com might consider buying DLive.tv and that they will develop it into something huge!  ;)

As I see it this is not a full ban, they are aiming just for casinos "that arent' licensed either in the US or other jurisdictions that provide sufficient consumer protection". I guess some crypto casinos started drawing some serious attention and they decided to hold them like this, but as you say there are alternatives that will come to light... I didn't see that DLive.tv yet, I will check it for sure to see how it looks, but I guess there are more similar popping out around.

That is a pretty big development for the gambling streamers who rely on Twitch to make money. With less than a month that is going to create a lot of problems. I don't like that Twitch seems to be controlled by the influencers and they can decide what should be streamed and what not? So it's fine for 12 year old kids to see girls in bikinis all day on twitch and donate money to them, but it's not okay for adults to watch gambling online?

At least some parts of gambling like Sports betting and Poker is still allowed. Personally I rarely watch Twitch, because it seems like a waste of time to me. Why spend time watching someone else make money online, when I could use the time and gamble myself? In the past I used to follow a few poker players on Twitch, but now I prefer to play myself than watch them. Same goes for the whole gaming community, I understand that many people enjoy the chat interaction but I would prefer to control my own character than to watch someone else do it. I am not so familiar with the whole streaming area, I know that Mixer from Microsoft failed back in 2020 and since then I didn't hear much about a big competition for Twitch. But maybe there are different streaming platforms. Also it seems that streaming gambling for casinos that are licensed in the USA seems okay, that is a one sided.

This isn't about gambling in general. This is apparently about crypto gambling. There is actually no ban against gambling streaming on Twitch. What is there is a ban on certain gambling platforms and there must be a reason why crypto platforms are specifically targeted.

Just recently, there was a backlash on Twitch against its gambling policies. This is the result. The response of Twitch isn't a ban on gambling but a ban on sites that aren't registered in the US "or other jurisdictions that provide sufficient consumer protection." The latter part makes everything subjective from their end.

But as most crypto platforms including those specifically mentioned in its post are Curacao-licensed, it is clear that Twitch doesn't give much value to such licenses at least in terms of consumer protection.

It seems to me that such advertising bans are due to the fact that the usa government has begun to somehow more actively and harshly apply regulation. For many years, the legislator has not been able to figure out how to deal with cryptocurrency in general throughout the world. Different countries approach differently, but still focus on US law. It is also worth adding that the online crypto-casino industry is also poorly regulated by law. So I think that finally the US government decided on more stringent regulation. Even now is a very opportune moment because the cryptocurrency market is completely calm and very low activity. Such a time is well suited for the adoption of strict regulations by laws.

Maybe twitch is just eliminating things which they think they don't need or have issues that's why they don't give to much weights on curacao registered based casino since they think that this is the nest of scammers. I think they are doing what they think right in terms of costumer protection since sometimes crypto casino streamers always hype up their viewers and spreading false information towards the casino they are promoting on.

Well, well, well. That's interesting. Twitch was one of the best platforms for gambling streamers. Gamblers also love to watch gambling streams on twitch. As we know, Gamblers get paid from the casinos to do the stream for their platform and get some referrals. Twitch gambling streamers used to make money by streaming casinos. Let's see if they prohibit gambling streams. It will be a piece of unfortunate news for both casinos and streamers.

They don't want to get the ire of the regulators if they only target Cryptocurrency casinos that are not registered in the US, they are not that big and they need to address issues and criticism, I'm not a regular user of Twitch its only alternatives for big platforms like Youtube and Daily motion, it's their loss anyway, streamers still have Youtube and of course, they are going to look for alternatives, a platform that will be considered as Twitch close competitor besides Youtube.

Whenever there are some companies that uses their right to allow or not allow something, people think that is an attack to their freedom. Which means that people actually think companies are responsible for letting them do whatever they want, or its a personal attack. Thats the case, any company in the world has a right to not allow something as long as  it is accepted by law, Twitch doesn't have to let gambling streamers continue gambling on stream, thats not a personal attack to anybody, because they have the right to do that and its their own company and they can manage it however they see fit. This is not some illegal plan to get some people, its just how they want to continue doing business thats it.

Simply due to the influence of famous personnel opinions may led the company to take such change but I don't know they realize how much revenue loss is going to be faced by them since many people love to watch the gaming and gambling related steaming only so if they take down one then its going to be atleast 20 to 30% of engagement and also the creators will simply move to other platforms and going to continue what they are doing.

Now that's a big news because Twitch is like "The" place for streaming gambling sites content.
It is also used by other gamers for streaming but influencers had been using this platform for their own benefits.
Paid streaming started it's evolution from on this platform since many influencers started streaming on Twitch.
Now that gambling streaming is going to be banned it's gonna create a short term trouble for those influencers.
Twitch has done a good thing banning gambling streaming since many people used to get inspired to gamble from those streams.

Really? I didn't know about this but it could be a good idea if they allow other gambling websites to advertise.
It's not going to be good if they turn in Stake-only promotional video platform, but since this is blockchain based it should be harder to make strict censorship.
Maybe there are other alternatives like Dlive or Dlive can always be forked ;)

Twitch is owned by the multi billion dollar company Amazon. I think they can afford to take a loss if needed while they look for other ways to grow the platform. They're gonna be hurting at 1st but i'm sure they will recover their losses somewhere.

i have the feeling that later on they will change their approach on this matter. as they specifically mentioned popular crypto sites at the moment, some will take advantage of using other casinos not yet mentioned from their announcement. they will also understand later on that even if they ban those sites on their platform, it may greatly impact their streamers and just go to another network.

It seems that the target is only cryptocurrency gambling streaming and not the overall gambling streaming will be banned on twitch.
If the goal for the US government is to come strong against cryptocurrencies (which looks like is the case at the moment), we say see strict regulations against the crypto in near future, resulting in a more bad impact on cryptocurrencies prices which are already hovering near the support.

It would be normal for a company on eliminate on things which would really bring out some headache and possible huge problems into them and since there were complaints and petitions on what that Twitch streamer had

done then it would be that normal that they would really be taking out some action but it did really end up into huge extent where they do prohibit offshore casinos which it isnt in US would be definitely be excluded on

using up the platform but as been said that those streamers/influencers would just simply jump off ship into other places where they could continue their business.

Finally.

Gambling content creators can still upload their content somewhere else, or perhaps someone can take advantage of this situation and create a gambling-only live streaming site and they can stay in there.  Twitch isn't known for always choosing the greater good for its viewers and content creators, but this one IMO shows that if people fought hard for something good, companies will still give in simply because they know the repercussions.

Perhaps they should go next with some 'just chatting' creators that are somewhat implying lewdness on their content. Lots of teens are in that platform and that is one way to also poison their minds.

Interesting. I didn't know that Amazon-owned Twitch. If you talk about losses, they will recover. Their industry is large-sized. The loss from losing Gambling streamers will be a tiny amount for them. Note They only prohibit gambling streamers and not everyone else. So, I don't think they will care much about it. It would be great if any other competitive take this chance and rebuild/design their platform.

Only the streamers will be affected by this, and no one else. The gambling site will be still making the money and also the twitch.
The remaining streamers stuck in between.
Nevertheless we can’t go against the rules. Can we? So yes we have to follow the rules.
Same rule has been already followed on YouTube, Now Twitch will also follow the path.
The streamers should start attracting other genre audience, if they want to make their channel alive, and continue making a living from it.

I am a bit worried at this development, to be honest. Not only is twitch shooting themselves in the foot by banning a large audience as well as many infliencers, but they are also destroying an important part of the gambling casinos cash-flow. I think bigger online gambling casinos won't bother this as much as it will the smaller casinos trying to make names for themselves. Marketing tactics will have to become a bit sneakier. I wonder what kind of marketing the casinos will go for next, once gambling streams become completely regulated away  ???

surprising to know they are owned by amazon. well they have all the right to do whatever they think is necessary. a battle is lost. a company that big will not mind losing money and users, its just a tiny chunk of their profit. what streamers can do is just to move on to another platform that is more friendly to them.

so now I know how they can afford or decide to ban such gambling site in which bringing them more funds as popularity of the listed gambling site or even all the site they are going to ban is indeed that High.
with them being owned by this multi billion company? they wont really care if which site they are going to ban for streaming as they can sustain the business with others and their reputation will remain clean and good for proper and best result of their business.

ESPN is owend by Disney, and Disney owners said they need ESPN for gambling purposes. Yes, that's right.
Check out this piece from 8 days ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/15/disney-wants-to-add-sports-betting-to-espn-a-move-weve-called-for.html

So here you have it - the entire industry is corrupt, starting from a company with movies/toys for kids!!

It isn't surprising to me.  Amazon, Facebook, & Google own all major streaming platforms at this point.  Microsoft had the best of them all with Mixer, but decided it wasn't worth the cash burn or headache to deal with music rights, etc...  With streaming being a major player in the future of the digital age, it seems like it's mostly between Twitch and YouTube, AKA Amazon & Google.  Google is dominating in recorded content while Amazon seems to have the live content down, likely because of their massive bandwidth capabilities.  It very much is a battle between giants though.

I think it's because of pressure from people who have seen the potential dangers of video gambling on Twitch that they asked the government to regulate it.
Eventually, Twitch banned the marketing of online casinos, even though these casinos are casinos that have a good reputation and are trusted by many gamblers.
But this will not stop the casinos from promoting because they will use other avenues that are still wide open for them to spread the pleasure of playing gambling on their sites.
Every casino site will do a new type of marketing, and they will probably use unconventional ways to try it out.

This means that Stakes.com, duelbits, Roobet, and Rollbit are not regulated in the U.S. so they are restricted to the U.S.

I'm also just wondering why they made the dice games different, after all that game is very simple, why not the Poker, blackjack, and baccarat games? I just ask this. Is it because the government has a greater benefit here? It's as if it's not clear what the real reason is for taking it down.

I think this step was taken after a streamer scammed around $300,000 from their followers to gamble online. Anyway, I would say it's a good step taken by twitch. Most of those streamers gamble with free money and they don't care if they lose the money since it is not their own money. This makes the followers feel like "winning is easy with no risks involved". Hence the followers gets curious and ends up gambling a lot of money. And I guess there are lots of underage twitch users that could be affected by those gambling contents.

This isn't really a big deal considering the fact that there are several popular alternatives to shift to if they actually go through with the ban.

Streamers will most likely shift to platforms like YouTube etc and their followers will shift there too. The silver lining here is that this ban will make it more difficult for scammers to scam naive, gullible gamblers around the world.

For some reason Twitch seems to be most preferred for streamers. Finding an alternative to Twitch is not a big deal. Knowing this more applications might've got developed.

I don't think people will shift to YouTube, and there is a question why Dice is in the list. To my understanding, it is the one that is being much watched and preferred by streamers as well as the viewers.

Exactly.Nothing will change,Youtube is another giant operated by Google and offer the live streaming.My daughter always like to watch live streaming of the different streamers for kids here and she is just 2.5 years old.There are loads of them and if Twitch goes on with the ban of gambling streams so far in Youtube I have seen a lot of huge wins in different slots there so I think this platform will be an accommodating one and it will just ask if you are above 18 years old to enter.Pretty simple.

Actually, Stake.com might be restricted to US citizens as it has concerns regarding the regulation of US laws however there is another version of Stake that is only available to US Citizens which is at Stake.us. You can try and check out this thread about Stake.us (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413798.0) and this is what the resolution made by Stake to allow users from US to continue gambling.

Also, I wonder if they'll allow Stake.us to continue streaming at Twitch since the main reason why they banned these websites or gambling platforms is mostly about conflict with US regulations. But still, whatever decision they'll make, these streamers can still continue streaming at another platform that is not against Gambling.

The way I interpret it, they prohibition is a blanket ban, so everything the relates to gambling specially crypto based casinos are going to be ban.

Now the question is how is this ban going to affect those mentioned gambling platform like Stake? I would say that it wouldn't put any dent though, I mean gamblers will continue to play on any platform regardless if they will be promoted by crypto influencer in Twitch. So it's going to be business as usual and they are going to continue to make money. The effect will be felt by those influencers because obviously how will they promote those sites if there are no streams sites to begin with.

This is crazy news man. I am so sad to hear Roobet is one of them. Obviously its a gambling site but come on Twitch, you could have done better than this to overcome the ref link sharing and promo code sharing issues? I bet roobet and many other sites were the reason twitch was receiving huge sign up and customer data base. What are they going to do with their business after these sites are taken off from their channel? This is definitely going to mark negative impact on the twitch for sure. What else they are going to stream if they are not allowing such renowned sites with great community that follows it? Definitely all the users must be unhappy with this one who used to enjoy the Roobet shows every friday or thursday. It was the best time to get some bucks over booz.  ::)

Twitch mentioned that the reason for banning the said gambling platforms such as Stake is mainly because of the conflict on the regulation on the US which is the licensure issue. However, most of the platforms they've banned are gambling platforms that operate with cryptocurrency but it seems like it's more on banning the whole Gambling related streams on their platform.

Also, Twitch is just one of the streaming platforms where this streamer showcases their gambling site such as Stake but other streaming platforms are still available like Facebook. The banning will surely affect the said gambling website but not much as other advertisements and promotions are being made like what they offer here at the forum as Signature Campaign and banners on various platforms like social media influencers and events. 

If this thing will implement already there's a lot of streamers might change their platform because some of them really like to make a stream playing their gambling because at the same time they are paid with this kind of promotions and if the promotions has a good offer for sure they will find another way to keep promoting it, still it is good because they have different social for community engagement with their viewers still it has a large impact to the streamers too.

Mixer only lasted for a few years before it shut down due to racism and toxicity around the platform. It was great for a while when it housed the top streamers, although of course alongside these top streamers come the cesspool of backseaters living on their mom's basements, hence why toxicity is a major problem on Mixer after it became big. These huge companies can create their own entertainment platform and the huge names will easily follow, because that's where the money is. Then again, I always expect that these platforms will always have issues community-side because that's what streaming and content platforms community is all about: toxicity.

I don't really have a problem with these corporations handling these streaming and content platforms because they are very much capable of delivering content with almost no downtime. The problem is their moderation and their policy sucks; they are way out of touch on their own platforms that they do not know what's happening down there.

I think banning gambling streaming on Twitch is the first step. Of course there are other streaming platforms. But I think others will also follow Twitch and ban gambling streaming. But all this will not happen immediately, but gradually.

I think they did the right thing because their platform is being used to scam people. According to what I've read, one of their streamer borrowed some money to his fans and some popular streamers so basically twitch is somehow involved on his gambling addiction because he was able to fund his gambling habit by using his popularity on their platform.

Some of the backlash came from popular streamers like Pokimane and Mizkif so Twitch really had to take action from gambling contents or else they will lose a lot of users.

Didn't they already ban gambling sites? I remember some time ago thee was a lottery or something on Stake and when Eddy (CEO) was doing the livestream it suddenly went off the air and people were panicking.

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I don't think this will do anything to protect people from gambling though. Most people just go to nice-looking slots machines and then part ways with their money, SMH.

And then after they lose all their bankroll, these same guys tell you that crypto is a big scam (by the way, have you noticed that Twitch only listed crypto casinos?)

So, it's only a selected ban and not the entire gambling category in twitch will be banned but it so sad to see that most of the gambling sites included in the ban are famous and love the most here in our forum. So, what will be left there might be unfamous sites which can be risky.

Oh well, if they try to do something shady, they might be the next in line. I remember I read a thread last time in the gambling section about the streamer who borrows money to gamble and not paying back, maybe that also contributed in this for twitch to finalize their decision. Twitch is only afraid that their reputation will get affected so what they did there isn't wrong.

It made noises, so it seems that this is a big deal because Twitch cave in to the pressures of those anti gamblers. So what they need is to clear out things and decided to ban gambling streamers.


They have been using Youtube already, but most likely they want to go to a new platform. Maybe one of the streamers themselves will have this idea to work and have someone developed for them a gambling that no one will stop and so the game will continue for them, they will have sponsorship and make money again.

They want to be above standard and they want to be competitive because of streaming, Twitch.tv has become popular among other niche streamers they attained popularity and this is what makes them competitive but they want their reputation among its users clean, they are enjoying popularity since they launched in 2009 and they don't want their platform to get harm with these criticisms, anyway these gambling streamers can transfer to other platforms I'm sure their followers will follow them on other platforms.

There's always a risk along with the growth and with this update, Twitch is just making sure they will follow all the regulations and avoid such criticism as much as possible. If it's already harmful to the platform then this is the best solution for them, or else other site might take advantage of this issue against them. Yes, those streamers can still use other platform for streaming, this might be a loss for them but it's not the end and this is for the benefits of many.

And here is the problem, there are not much platforms for streaming, in the past there used to be Mixer and it was a great one, but twitch kill it. And now looks like the only viable platform will be youtube. But is a matter of time for them to ban gambling too.

Te real problem about this gambling streams in the fake money... we see gamblers like exploited placing max bets and fooling people making them thing that money is real, but they have a deal with the casinos where the money is provided by the house.

Yes you are right a few month ago I heard a news about it that one streamer says  about a high amount is to be hard to believe.  Moreover, these decisions are made only when the consumer suffers loss from misrepresentation of information and promotion in exchange for money.  But I'm actually surprised that most of the websites they cover are very reputable.  However, if it is due to those false news or fake money gambling by streamers, then I will remain silent.

On the other hand, if Youtube would have allowed streaming gambling content wouldn't influencers have used it already ?
May be not banning gambling content but I guess Youtube must be having some kind of restriction on gambling related content.
Hence influencers won't have any big platform now that Twitch is banning gambling streams.

It's sad to see twitch will start to ban gambling streaming especially slots games because we're know slots are very addicting games and that's what make gamblers stay for around couple of hours to in front of their monitor. I wonder what's behind reason why they're ban gambling streaming because there's many online games are similar with gambling e.g. gacha, why they're not banning a whole games that has gacha? many people spend a lot money in order to get limited skin.

YouTube has videos for gambling. There are a lot just like Twitch. However, I am not aware if they are allowing gambling stream or there are people who are doing that. But I can assure to you, recorded videos of gambling such as sport, slots, live games, etc. are present in YouTube.
Also, as far as I know Twitch only plans to restrict slot streams, not gambling in general. Sports gambling is still good. Live games, I do not know.

As of now Twitch is planning to restrict slot as well as roulette and dice game streams.
May be in future they might also restrict sports gambling. I don't think live games would be banned.
It's very hard to manipulate the result of live games and so influencers won't be able to influence others into it.
From that perspective such games streaming may not be banned by Twitch.

This is why we need decentralized video sharing platforms so that there are no censorship and rules which have no wisdom.

I know there are some platforms where you can share live streaming and stuff but since they are not popular, the streamers usually make efforts to make their presence there. It's time the content creators, live streamers and viewers move towards decentralized platforms.

Twitch To Ban Gambling Streaming because they don't want to promote gambling now. many days ago youtube also banned Gambling Streaming. Because they now consider gambling as something bad and they chose this process to protect the youth from it. This matter has disappointed a lot and many people think that this decision is right

I do not think that's fine, is it? I mean if there are such disgusting things there then it should be banned right away and it would be seriously disturbing to learn that's going on.

I get the ASMR type of women, they are grown woman and you are paying them money to see them and hear them and so forth which makes sense, there are even adult channels with more things, that always made sense to me and I understand it, would never pay a cent because there are free versions out there, but that doesn't change the fact that they are at least over 18, if there are under 18 kids there doing this, that's going to make me sick for real, can't even comprehend how horrible that must be.

I see. I doubled check their statement about that. Seems like the reason for all of this banning plan is because of those streamers?? that have been sharing and spreading their referral codes and links to their community given that Twitch is prohibiting it.
Why not they just give warning to those people who are doing this. And if they do it again, ban their accounts for amount of time or permanently ban it. That's better than banning those streams for those games like slots.

Maybe not dead in carrying out promotions or even in the future we will see all casino companies get together and create a special social media where they are completely free to live stream without the need for restrictions. Maybe under certain conditions, every casino must comply with KYC. Twitch has taken a lot of precautions and perhaps this decision is the tip of the iceberg for the summer ahead. Prior to October 18th, there are certain actions that every casino must take. Because what Twitch mentions is the biggest and most reputable casino. After all, they don't want to lose a lot of gamblers or rather visitors who bet.

Sports betting and poker are big bets, especially football where the soccer mafia still dominates in both online and offline casinos so some people exclude these 2 gambling. Not only that, if we look at the list of other gambling, it may be that it will be excluded even without a US license.https://iili.io/soYdjp.png

I totally agree with you, and to this effect, I can say that many projects (crypto based) have attempted creating a decentralized, or crypto based streaming platforms, but unfortunately, non of them have succeeded, I remember when YouTube started banning accounts of crypto live streamers, a particular streaming platform (can't remember it name now) was launched around that time, some of the YouTubers at that time started registering accounts on this new platform, but unfortunately for the new platform, YouTube retraced their step and started restoring accounts they previously deleted, that was how crypto currencies streamers all flock back to youtube and the new streaming platform was totally forgotten all of a sudden.

So I personally believe it is time, this guys come together, form an alliance and create a decentralized streaming platform where no one will censor the other or dictate what others should stream and what they should not.

They simply don't want to be involved in a legal scuffle against those who are voicing out their opinions on the prevalence of gambling streamers in the said platform. It would be a long and winding battle and I'm pretty sure Twitch just chose the easy way out. If there aren't any opinions that are against the gambling streams, I'm sure that Twitch wouldn't decide to go after these gambling streamers. Even though they can take it to the court, it's just a long and winding process that they need to undertake, and that time is better spent somewhere else.

Lately, I feel like I have been transported back to the era of soccer gambling with the rise of mafia issues. But other than that I personally don't think it has anything to do with Twitch. Because they are official in this case only focus on banning casino streaming. It's hard to believe that the Twitch platform is one of the biggest at attracting gamblers and after their policy of still blocking live influencer play, I prefer to call it a game. Be it performing in front of a slot machine or even playing a war game. Twitch looks like a blunder just because a group of people who are not responsible for their own money then generalizes those who like to gamble.

Maybe it has nothing to do but Twitch as a video service used by many users today is getting bigger than it was a few years ago so it makes these influencers feel free to upload something they like or want to get a lot of followers. And those who like gambling will try to upload their gambling activities on Twitch, which makes many people argue that Twitch has allowed that to happen on their site. And in the end, they asked Twitch to sanction influencers for banning uploading their content. Maybe from the user's point of view, they should always pay attention to what they see on Twitch and if the content isn't for them, they can skip it and watch other content.

Mmm, in my opinion, the reason shared is rubbish. It's useless to impose such a ban as this may affect the user experience badly.
Many people are making good earnings by twitch, and setting such a ban may affect its users, and they would switch to other platforms.
One of the platform would be youtube streaming.

And that is obvious, maybe twitch gambler influencers will lost this job. They are raking like millions as paid sponsorship, not much for the famous casinos, their players will continue and might experience some growth as online gambling is taking a huge slice of the pie already.

Nevertheless, switching to other platforms is the only way for them. And it will be interesting how Twitch revenue will be after this ban.

I don't think we are going to see a big difference in twitch revenues after the ban. The main question will be how many of the big gambling streamers are trying to take their viewers to  different platform, and how many streamers will stick with twitch. Instead of stopping their gambling streams, the streamers can switch to American licensed casinos and continue the stream. Which in return also means that twitch has no problem with gambling as long as it's licensed and regulated. A third option could also be that streamers try to mobilise their fan base and push back. Why should twitch only allow USA licensed casinos? With enough support this exemption could be widened to maybe include European countries as well, or casinos licensed in Macau. Twitch has a very international customer base and shouldn't only be focused on American law.

GG. I wonder if any influencers will be able to migrate over to Odysee (https://odysee.com/$/invite/@Bitcoin:29) or some such platform that isn't subject to such hostile takes.

As YouTube, Twitch and other such Big Tech platforms clamp down, it would be nice to see decentralized blockchain tech, like Odysee, step up and take that part of the market share for that very reason.

Why not ? I personally think that banning gambling streams is the right decision.
Besides that, what good does it do by allowing influencers to continue streaming gambling activities anyway ?

Thanks for the information! The news was new to me and I wonder if this regulation applies only to the U.S. viewers and streamers or is it worldwide?

In any case, I think the regulation is good. Even if many casinos will see the decision differently, of course. Because on Twitch, the audience is usually very young and usually not even 18 years old. Many very young users thus get to enjoy casino content that is actually not intended for their age.

For this reason, a good decision: Because if you take the principle of "gamble responsible" seriously, you also have to make sure that children and young people do not get access to gambling content.

Everywhere. Another shot-themselves-in-the-foot moment.

Does anyone here knows whether some competing streaming services have stepped forward on social media to clarify they are going to give support to gambling streams?
I wonder because due to the public impact this measure from Twitch has (which is basically all around internet), this should be a perfect opportunity for other websites to get a massive stream of advertisement and (in the best case scenario for them) a massive migration of gambling streamers. However, a migration of significant volume of gamblers is unlikely, considering how big Twitch is and its popularity, I could be wrong but it seems they have the streaming monopoly together with Youtube.

Youtube used to have the monopoly before, but people started to get tired of the terms and services/ moderation getting harder to comply to, so they moved. Could the same happen to Twitch?

I doubt the gambling streamers would make the switch to other platforms aside from Youtube unless they'd receive an offer or contract similar to what Youtube is doing to other big Twitch streamers.

It's definitely a good move for Twitch since they've been doing fine before gambling became one of the big trends on their platform

Besides YouTube, there are no other contenders strong enough to pose any threat. Look at the changes they made yet, the site rakes in almost 1 million of video time daily.

That's what I would do if I own twitch before I can find a way to let streamers able to stream gambling related that will lessen the chance or even giving warning to viewers and streamers of scammers using the platform to find victims to scam or make a place for gambling related room (a place for it or board just like this forum) and also earn from it but if it doesn't work as planned then I'll do what twitch's plan which is to ban gambling stream.

What a perfect timing did by twitch there. If im the one participating in the lottery and if I have a good number of tickets, I think will also do the same thing which is to panic badly because I will think there are manipulations going on the background but what happened last time is only a temporary ban because after some time, they are back again streaming on twitch but not anymore these upcoming days/weeks since twitch said that they will now be banned and this one might be permanent already.

Twitch is a huge platform so banning gambling streams there can contribute a lot to avoid twitch users, especially young people to play gambling.

In my nation we had a whole uproar about the scammers on twitch. They would steal credit cards of people, then they would end up with talking to streamers, give them like %20 of the money and keep the %80. Its obvious the way they did it, use the credit card to send donations, and then whatever goes to streamer, they will take back %80 of it and they would tell the streamer not to worry about it as well. Basically its money laundering and credit card scam at the same time. This is just one example, the depths of crypto gambling streaming is too vast, and twitch had every right to do it.

I don't think that Twitch did this because they wanted it. Twitch was earning money from this, but now the pressure from the government regulations is too hard, so they had to change their policies. In the end, this is not a full ban, it just covers "unregulated casinos", mostly crypto-oriented ones... because they found heaven there! So it's not like they are making some ethical and moral turn, they just favor what government says it's alright, because with this move they will lose some traffic and profit for sure, crypto enthusiasts will find or create alternative.

At first, I thought there were good enough alternatives, perhaps Trovo, Mixer, Periscope... or even Facebook Gaming.

the firsts ones are rather small to contest against Amazon/Twitch, Youtube has lost its attractive in the eyes of content creators (it seems you can't even swear without risking the right to monetize one's videos), the only one which is left is Facebook, I thought they were doing ok, however after a brief investigation it seems they are not catching as much audience as they wanted to, to the point they seem to be terminating their official app (Facebook Gaming) on the Play store and only supporting stream directky on internet browsers.

Perhaps if Meta did not waste so much money in the Metaverse and used all that capital to improve and lure creators to their website with better rewards, they could have become an actual competition to Twitch, but they prefered to test their luck with Mark's vision.

I would guess that youtube will ban them too, and many other places will too and only a small handful of smaller places will allow it. Let's face it, it would be a smart decision to ban gambling on a place 2.5 year old kids could watch. It just doesn't make sense, they do not even comprehend money the way we do and they keep on buying stuff for their game characters at that age if they are given the possibility, like if you leave your card in there.

So, it is smarter to just let them go, and that way you would be able to feel assured about the fact that they can't just happen to watch some gambling streamer losing thousands of dollars like nothing and put wrong thoughts on their minds.

Whatever the reason they do that, that's something we will never know. Here we can see that not all well-known influencers are as helpful in the business industry as they are on twitch.

Isn't twitch known as the go-to tool if anyone wants to create content via live streaming? I was just wondering how this affected twitch. did this influencer use the platform to tarnish twitch's name later?

From what I read from the link above, I was made to understand that this ban that Twitch intends on these gambling sites, is due to the role which they claim Twitch influencers play in making people become addicted to crypto gambling due to live-streaming hosted by these casinos, which to me is equally not enough reason why they should ban these casinos, because a person who will gamble will still gamble not minding if its ban on twitch or not because if twitch doesn't offer this service anymore, people will be glad to move over to an alternative platform that does, likewise.

That's why if you are the owner of twitch then a warning should be there after you visit the site and also when you are going to do a transaction because of scammers using the platform to scam people. What I was going to say is that twitch have to be more strict about transactions when it comes to gambling though some countries ban gambling. As I said before, if it doesn't work then banning gambling streams would be the best choice to prevent scammers using th site to scam people.


That's one of the reason why they have to do it. Who would want to miss the opportunity to earn money in gambling related. I'm sure twitch right now must have thinking of a plan or a way where they would still let streamers stream gambling videos and earn money at the same time that doesn't violate government regulations. If it's not full ban then they should be planning some ideas for gambling in my opinion instead of completely ban anything that is gambling related before gamblers find an alternative ways to continue what they do.

I believe it's very understandable. Twitch is a centralized service, sooner or later a "trade-off" will be made by the people who own/run the service to protect the it from futher backlashes. The reason why doesn't have to warrant the decision for the ban. In fact, it should be expected.

Can anyone post links of Twitch users who stream their gambling activities in the mentioned casinos? I want to see what caused the "backlash".

Never had heard of this platform for streaming before and will assume there will be others who want to have the influx of the audience that twitch will be giving up due to their decision on the stance of gambling on the platform.
Stevewilldoit which is a social media influencer recently got banned from youtube for the very same reason. And while on a gambling chat saw it was mentioned he was using rumble, inwhich I haven't heard of either.
This clamp down on gambling streams will have a ripple effect among all other large streaming platforms.
For better or for worse - growing them tenfold or shrinking their platform viewership.

I guess it's an open debate though, just like when TV started decades ago, and then there are groups saying that it influence their kids etc. So this is the same case here, the only difference is that there are targeting a certain audience, which is the gamblers. However, we all know that we can't control who is watching and so there is a backlash and then the subsequent ban by Twitch. Of course, everyone will just move to a  new platform very easy.

It would be a great move, although the deal breaker is the lack of support from the viewers that will obviously not get there immediately. Odysee is a great platform with ample features for creators but not too attractive to lure in new viewers. Just look at their website and see that it is jam-packed with tons of creators wanting it big and start on platforms that isn't YouTube or Twitch. If they somewhat amp up their marketing and do something to get in new viewers that would be great for everyone.

That is fine by me, I do agree that government regulations could be too much, and liberal governments are a bit better, but Twitch is in USA and if that means Amazon could not continue to do something (twitch is owned by amazon) then it means its definitely bad enough. Imagine a company that is doing the bare minimum legally, they are paying so little to some people that their workers literally need to get help from states, fre money from tax payers basically goes to pay for Amazon workers, because someone working in Amazon is getting less than starvation wage, and we still see them close gambling streams, imagine how much worse government sees gambling compared to what they let Amazon do before.

I don't really use the Twitch because only fans ( just for sarcasm) :D

Content creators may affected the users by collecting money from them and gamble with the funds online and when people started doing it then it becomes a negative mark for the whole gambling content creators.

But what the platform should do is ban the creators who is exploiting the users instead of banning the category where they belongs to.

In the past, there was always speculation that streamers could switch to Odysee if the legal situation regarding gambling on Twitch were to change. However, little has happened so far.

In Germany, slot streaming has been prohibited for quite some time. The corresponding streamers have handled it so far that they emigrated to Malta or Madeira and streamed from there. The German legislator was eager to close this loophole in a timely manner anyway - but Twitch is now pre-empting this with a complete ban.

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All in all, I can only repeat it again: I think due to the very (!) young audience on Twitch, slots are not the right format for the platform - same as pool streams and other stuff which is still available.

It was inevitable due to the popularity and lack of control on who can whatch the steams for Twitch to try and regulate it.

At Bspin.io we've taken a different approach and we have streamers streaming directly in the casino lobby where you can also bet behind them.

It's a smaller scale but it will grow in it's natural environment.

https://m.bspin.io/game/livespins

Bro, it's a shame if you feel it's the right decision when the casino you use as a signature is also prohibited from streaming. Related to the use of influencers is to develop the casino into a fast promotion path and have more influence over the casino. Without influencers as promoters, there probably wouldn't be a famous casino today. As influencers are now competing for a special share, moreover the casinos provide great incentives.

Almost all have a bright spot, Drake will be negotiating this issue and Dlive is one of the solutions we are now hearing about. If Dlive can provide space and has agreed on what will be discussed later regarding streaming gambling, all gambling casinos especially crypto gambling can put it to good use. Twitch can no longer be negotiated if without a US license they still refuse.

You are taking the context all wrong. You should first understand in what context has Twitch made those bans.
Not only Duelbits but most of the popular casinos are now restricted. Also, not all the games are banned but the few major ones.
Also, it's not because of the gambling platforms have done anything wrong but it's the influencers are who are using the streaming platform in a wrong way.
Ideally, Twitch should have restricted those people who are using the streaming platform in a wrong way but they chose to ban gambling streams all together.
There are people who get influneced by these people into making high bets, some even scam others and lose all their money.
So I don't think there's anything wrong with that. As far as promotions are considered these reputed gambling platforms have various other ways for promotions and are remarkably doing well.

So it's okay if it's US-based casinos... sounds not fair! They seem only to target Crypto casinos and not about protecting youngsters.
That's not a good solution, these streamers can just promote US-based casinos and nothing will change. It will only wipe out Curacao-based casinos lol.
How about Malta-based casinos?

this will have pros and cons because I see some big streamers are very happy with this news. I'm sure this is in the twitch process because there are continuous reports that reach the management.


I've also seen other topics that discuss cheating committed by streamers who work with online casino gambling sites to attract viewers who watch their broadcasts. Since becoming the property of Amazon, Twitch has continued to tighten its service and doesn't know if they will continue this rule in the future or not.

Exactly, If that is the case, there will be no justice here. Moreover, if something is done for the purpose of the youth, then it must be done in such a way that those minors cannot access it. Restricting certain casino sites is not an acceptable rule or decision by them.

Is this a new kind of streaming site? Because if yes then that is normal for starters but they can always do some promotions. They can advertise their brand here in the forum. It's perfect since they are decentralized and are more related to crypto than the traditional streaming sites that we know the most.

Being decentralized is great because that means there are no restrictions that can be applied and any streamers can do whatever they want. They aren't that attractive for now but they can always improve it. We can also give them suggestions if what features we like the most that they should include if we think it might help them gather more users.

Deplatforming is all too common these days. Thankfully there are options. Rumble is the biggest one, but also a very stupid choice. It's just a re-skinned YouTube using centralized technologies. Any smart person on this forum knows history is doomed to repeat itself here... a rebranded fiat currency isn't a good solution to a presently failed fiat currency.

Odysee/LBRY is quite different because it's decentralized, using blockchain technology and therefore censorship proof on the base layer. And they abide by similar protocols on their front-end mostly speaking. (Any principled people can download the LBRY client for a completely censorship proof experience).

Hopefully these users realize this for either syncing their YouTube channels or Twitch streamers seeking refuge etc. do so on Odysee



LBRY, the decentralized protocol, has been around since 2016. Recently, in 2020, they added a web-based front-end, Odysee. So it's fairly new. But it has been crushing in numbers lately. In 2020, they had under 1m users per month. Right now, they are over 50m unique users per month. Staggering growth for a much needed decentralized platform and service out there in the world today.

Like what I previously mentioned, there is no "middle-ground" when it comes to prohibiting gambling websites in streaming. It is either one party benefitted from the decision and the other party will suffer the loss. In this case, Twitch decided that the welfare of the youth is more essential and paramount compared to the number of gamblers who stream their activities on their platform.

Is this a good move from Twitch? Possibly, but this kind of outcome is expected. Twitch is a gaming platform which was created specifically for streamers to stream their games. It just so happened that gamblers took advantage of this to stream their content of gambling.

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

I dont understand, does Twitch bans only streaming selected games (slots, dice and roulette) or streaming any kind of gambling? I find that as a strange move by such a huge social media giant. On the other hand, strange to see YouTube allows streaming gambling, ref links and lots of betting content. As well as insert their own ads of scam investment (I often see an ad - investment platform by Tesla owner Elon Musk) during video.

No, they will ban all casino content, when they do implement something like this. There were several people complaining about this and they do not want negative publicity, so they doing a blanket ban... from what I understand.

The problem with moving to a different platform now... is the size of these smaller platforms. The casinos wants to attract new gamblers, they do not simply want to target old customers that are already subscribed to the current gambling streamers.  ::)

I have to agree with you there. Whether you end up streaming slots or spending hours opening booster packs in the new FIFA 2023 makes absolutely no difference.

It's the same with CS-GO lootboxes, of course, which are opened by various streamers on a daily basis.

In the end all of this falls under the category of gambling. I'm pretty curious at what point Twitch draws its line. And whether we will see more bans in the future. Although I can hardly imagine that game content from FIFA or CS:GO will be banned on the platform in the future. The communities are way (!) too big.

At the end it is their platform and they can do whatever they want with it, however it is very clear this is a business decision, gambling streamers were getting more popular which was good for them and their platform but they brought too much attention to themselves and complains surfaced, so they crunched some numbers and came to the conclusion they could not take the heat and decided to ban gambling content on their platform, it is that simple even if some may believe it is more complicated than that.

They can try to move to another one with gambling streaming is allowed but lets face the fact that we are not going to end up with many that will exist after USA cracks down on them. I am not saying they have, because we know they haven't but there is a good possibility that they could, which is why twitch banned it to begin with.

Gambling is not something that should be streamed, it's illegal in most places and allowing people to stream something that is illegal in most cases should not be seen as okay. Weed is legal in some states as well, but that doesn't mean weed smoking is allowed in most streaming platforms neither, same should apply to gambling.

Any platform which is on the verge of possible issues or complaint that might raised and thinking off that their reputation is at risk or danger then it would really be just normal that they would already make out some

actions which is something that understandable and this is what Twitch is been doing.There's some issues of a related streamer which do correlate or in connected with gambling and this is where issues had arised.

Then it did really come into the point that they do really need to ban it to clear up those issues and clean it up somehow the main talks as of this moment.

I just know from life experience that as soon as some kind of action begins, entailing the abolition of the algorithm familiar to all users, by any organization and for quite a long time.  Then such actions mean the impossibility of returning to the previous operation of this resource.  There are two options for the development of the situation -
1. in general, everything will stop working,
2. the resource will work in a new mode for you, which will not suit you.  
Alas, my life experience says that the option of a new operation, when everything will be even better for you than it was, is of course theoretically possible, but very unlikely. :) :(

I agree that when we are talking about these type of deals, it would be quite difficult to handle, and I believe that we shouldn't really end up with trying to recover and get back to what it was, doesn't mean that it’s not possible I agree that it could be, but unlikely and that’s why we shouldn't look for it.

Let’s assume that gambling streaming world is over now, doesn't mean it’s over but it’s on the way there and I feel like we shouldn't be focusing on anything that would hurt us in the long run if we assume as such, it would be a happy situation if it’s not, and expected if it is. Other side is expecting it to survive and if it does than expected, and if not then be upset.

Without a doubt this is a move against gambling streamers but if there is demand then someone is going to supply people what they want to see, so it would not surprise me if other competitors sites decided to not follow the same policies and gain a lot of new viewers this way, so while this is a move that we knew that it will eventually come at the same time I do not think it is going to be so bad, as people will always find another way to satisfy the need they have of watching other people gamble.

There are so many streamers on Twitch and gambling ones are a relatively small number, they have absolutely no ability to change the direction of Twitch. They probably did manage to water down the proposal, since Twitch will still be allowing things like sports betting and skill based games like poker. Heck, they'll probably even continue to allow certain casino games as long as they are on properly licensed sites in jurisdictions like the US and UK. There is big money in this sector and through different avenues they will be taking a certain cut from it, so their plan is to trim it down to a lower level and cut off some of the crypto sites to make it look like they're taking action.

There are people that I have seen here in the forum who are very much in agreement with these prohibitions, and I understand that they are people who do not like games of chance, that shows, but I think that this world is to accept and tolerate, it is for such reason that I don't see the bans as necessary, it all started with the live broadcasts of a person who asked for money to play, and that was enough to ban casino envoys, if they go that way it's obvious that they will ban when they play CSGO, FIFA, And anything that has to do with gaming, that's like banning players on Discord. I thought that on Twitch they lived on sponsorships, and there is no better sponsor than a casino.

They hadnt ban out on global scale but rather there are still ones who could stream out but of course it would be only into those casinos which does have US licensed and the rest or offshore then its totally
prohibited.Its their company then its their choice and there's no such thing we could do about into their decisions.
Sometimes having this huge scale decision when it comes to ban and prohibition, it is sometimes that really too exaggerated or too muc which a single violation had been committed out by
a single person due into its wrong doings which it resulted or ended up like this.
Some say that it is too much and some say that it is really just right on having or ending up that kind of decision.

Taking into account how the prohibition mostly affects cryptocurrency casinos, while the casinos that are licensed on the United States can still operate on this platform then it becomes very obvious to me that this sudden change in their policies has more to do with the government pressuring Twitch to forbid the promotion of cryptocurrency casinos, and that most likely they resisted against this move for some time but they were simply unable to take the pressure anymore and at the end they had to relent.

There maybe some other options available to them for steaming but twitch was most popular platform for them and huge audience as well to support them and now moving to different platforms will be little problem for them to gain new users from scratch and casino partnership again.But there are some twitch alternative so will see if they move to it or what's their move.

The majority of twitch's community involves children and even if gamblers say 18+ there's no guarantee that children won't access it though another account if there are restrictions on the current account to watch their favorite streamer.

It's true but if their audience wants to watch their favorite gambling streamer, I think they will move to that certain platform. Maybe one day one streaming platform will be famous having a casino streams or a platform that is solely made for gambling streaming. Dlive can be that potential platform especially if Stake is positive on their dlive decision. I don't see gambling streaming on youtube and facebook will run long because they are heavily censoring contents especially gambling which is r18 content.

Looks like DLive is the next big thing in the gambling world, as the 18th of October approaches, I see more and more people talking about DLive. I am not so big fan of streamers, especially the ones who gamble with crazy high amounts, I believe it's rigged, most likely they are playing for the house, so it's just some kind of marketing... I am not sure if will I register there and follow all that, probably not! That's probably a good question, how many people from here tried DLive already? And for others who didn't will they?

if one door closes, another will open, so to speak. so if twitch will ban gambling streaming, there will always be another platform that will accommodate these streamers. and one is the DLive. it may not be popular today, but give it a time, and soon they will be racking up with streamers also. that's the beauty of business, if one door closes, there will be more windows that will open to these people. this is not the end of the streaming world for gamblers.

That's true. These streamers will look for other platform to continue what they used to and probably DLive is the next to accomodate these streamers. They will start from scratch again but I think it will not be hard compared if you're a beginner since you somehow established yourself to your viewers. Anyway, just want to clarify if the casino has a US licensed, does this mean it's still allowed to stream slots,dice etc.?

-   According to my understanding of the article, it seems that the influencer has a shortcoming in how he did it using the twitch platform. Maybe when the Twitch management saw and watched the influencer who live streamed here violated the rules and policy.

Sometimes it's just money that is the reason why influencers Livestream even if it violates the rules and protocol of the platform, something that maybe the influencers didn't even notice. I'm just not sure if I understood it correctly.

Streamers can certainly find another platform that can give them more freedom in their work, even if it is about gambling. And their viewers or subscribers will try to get more information about where their favorite streamers are so they can stay up to date with those streamers. And it looks like if most platforms ban those streamers, they need a crypto or gambling platform that specifically serves the ads from that business so that it doesn't prohibit them from broadcasting live.

Hate all fake money streamers, eg ROshten and other company, they will never uderstood even close what real players feeling loosing their last money and when u dont even known how to buy food and pay the rent

I really don't know what Twitch will look for, if the first time I knew that platform was thanks to Stake.com with Ed's live presentations, and many more, then this is something that makes me very sad, I don't know under what circumstances they came to it, but they must have been complaints, I don't know maybe envy or something, fortunately there are other platforms that offer the same service as Twitch, so it's not that this platform is essential, but it's a shame, many of us were very familiar, sometimes a site instead of going up and coming up, what it does is go back, sometimes this is something I don't understand, but hey, when one door closes, two open.

It is that that is what I have been talking about, a platform will come that will produce the pertinent changes that does the same as Twitch and allows everything related to streamers, when it comes to crypto casinos it is something very different, because there are many freedoms With respect to a traditional and physical casino, in a crypto casino everything is more bearable, the money is more instantaneous and its transactions are fast, this allows them to establish more facilities for people to access, at least a crypto casino does not prohibit entry to people, only 18-year-olds, but if he is a potential player they are not going to close the doors on him, that is a great advantage.

I do know what you meant and i think that in this case age restriction must be implemented. I know this will not be so effective to prevent them to watch the gambling streamers but in my opinion this far better rather than banning whole of streamers.
at least twitch was still allowing some rather than banning all of things related with gambling. It seems like the growth of gambling streamers have been making twitch to pay more attention to it.
I consider watching gambling streamers for entertain purpose only

Better to see that as entertain purpose. I can't deny many of them were using balance that already filled by the sites

This wasn't about government pressuring Twitch to forbid on promoting crypto casinos, This was about Sliker who was a twitch streamer scamming multiple people for years there are proof of him begging money to other streamers and his own fans.
People assumed that it was used to feed his gambling addiction and this story blew up helping  big streamers who are against gambling streams to use it to pressure Twitch to ban gambling on the platform
*He already confessed it was about gambling and the total value he got is $300k+

Coffeezilla did a review about this story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FnTsIO65oo

I would say that it’s still a good reason to ban gambling though. If there are scammers in one category more than the other, and if there are twitch streamers pressuring twitch, then they had no other way of going around it and had to ban it. This basically makes sure that people are not getting scammed by others, and that’s important, if you are not getting scammed then it’s going to be a simple thing to just focus on the gaming or even chatting part of things.

I would also like to point out that twitch was just a pure gaming platform where you played games and people flock to you because they liked your community, it could change a bit, but not this much. Gambling is way over the line.

I think it is understandable those which were streaming about gambling on this platform and suddenly they find themselves being banned from it are not very happy about this situation, but since there is demand for this type of content the only thing they need to do is to move to another platform and try to bring their viewers with them, is not easy but if the content they are producing is above the rest I think they can continue their gambling streaming without too much of a problem.

Well, they can find another platform, but I don't think they will find in the short term a platform like Twitch. For certain content, and gambling streaming is that kind of content, this is the place to go: there are others platforms, but I wouldn't say they can compete with Twitch (it is like talking about Youtube a few years ago: if you were banned there you were totally f***ed, until alternatives got the required traction).

On the other hand, while they will avoid regulatory risks, they can eventually lose their dominant position in this field, if competitors welcome the migrant streamers with more relaxed conditions. So this is a double-edged weapon to me.

This is why main competitors of Twitch should really be doing their best to make those innovation or much better than Twitch so that those streamers might able to see a new place for them to hang on.

For sure, surrounding streaming companies arent really that blind on what would gonna happen and they wouldn't really let this opportunity slip and since they do know that
they could have the chance on getting those people on using up the platform.

Each company does have its own rules and terms where it would be normal that they would be making such action whenever they
do see that issues becomes worst overtime.So getting rid of it is totally getting rid of things which is attached to it.

I think they know what's coming on their way so for sure they will have to come up with something unique or at least very friendly for the gamblers per se. As in any other businesses, when once can't cater anymore, sooner or later another business will have to take advantage of the situation and win in this niche market.

And we have options already, I even posted some, so let's see how will they do specially after October 18 because this is the deadline that Twitch officially set for all gambling streamers in their platform.

Banning streamers looks very strange and I think steammers can always find other platforms they can use to get what the waited done without this kind of restriction from Twitch.

Twitch is actually owned by Twitch Interactive, a subsidiary of Amazon. In addition to PC games, Twitch hosts streams and videos of other topics, such as musical performances or poker tournaments.
Therefore, of course, the ban, which is apparently sanctioned by Amazon, hit hard on users of the service who have been using it for many years. By the way, Twitch itself is also over 10 years old since it was created. So the ban is a political decision.

Once again, the bosses of the IT industry did not give a damn about their people.  :(
Sadly. >:(

I don't think banning was the solution to this as different users have different needs of content which could have been in the gambling niche for example, with this move I see their userbase dropping after this goes in full swing ! BTW the best twitch would have done is putting up age restrictions to such content to prevent minors from accessing such if age is what's sited otherwise didn't see this coming  :'(

To me this would have been a better choice instead of banning gambling streamings, I know they still allow poker and some other games but I still think the ban is too harsh, but it seems to me they were not interested in having this kind of content in their platform and this is why they went for the ban, still I think they are going to be the losers at the end of this as the demand for gambling related content has gone up dramatically since the pandemic started, and I do not see this tendency stopping anytime soon.

Sad to know that people would have such influence as to broadcast anyone gambling. I assume this also would affect poker tournaments? Because, honestly, those are broadcasted all over and nobody seems to care much. There seems to be some short of double standard, or maybe it is simply a calculation of benefit versus image cost done by twitch.

It is wiser to make money if they could, but they decided not to, so there must be some logic behind it. I mean you have to be insane to think that twitch would be saying no to gambling just for fun, when they were making so much money from it, it’s obvious that they would rather keep it going if they could, so there must be some pressure from the legal side that they need to close it down.

It’s like how there are so many companies who rather work in big nations, but move to Bahamas or something just because they have to, not because they want to, to make more profit. Twitch is owned by amazon, there could be some pressure from that side in the end.

This seems like the correct read of the situation, businesses at the bottom line care nothing about morals or principles and they only follow the money, gambling streaming was very popular and if left alone it would have gotten even more popular in their platform, so why ban it? Most likely they thought it would cost them more money than what they were earning, so they decided to just stop allowing it on their website, but I am not worried, those streamers should be able to move to another platform and still post their content online.

I wonder why they don't just ban that account that is scamming people and needs to shut down the majority of the gambling streamer?  I don't think the problem is that simple.  For sure there is pressure from either the community or the government for twitch to act like that.  Twitch will lose millions of revenu by banning these gambling streamers and yet they do it.  If there is no big people behind this banned, I don't know how huge this Sliker is to make Twitch banned many gambling streams.

If Twitch isn't going to do something they will gonna lose some of the famous streamers.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/09/twitch-restricts-some-gambling-streams-amid-streamer-boycott-threat/
Its really simple, some people do not like gambling and they have been voicing out their own concerns when XQC started his gambling streams.

I also think that these events are mainly related to the economic component and options for optimizing costs and paying for traffic.
But the political component is also likely to take place. 
More precisely, an indication of some kind of American regulators, which the whole world obeys unconditionally, in terms of pressure on the use of cryptocurrency. 
Twitch is just an obedient tool in this whole big game. :(

I am not sure if they are really a "tool", they are not used for this, they are only afraid of what could happen to them, and if the US government is telling you to do something, you do it because it is always scarier otherwise. Plus, like it was said before, they are owned by amazon, one of the biggest American companies in the world, so they are ruled by them as well, if amazon says close down the gamblers, twitch does it because they are the boss.

Considering how big Amazon is, they should be afraid of USA, looking at their salaries and how the cheap workers are the reason why they make money, even the threat of making minimum wage 20+ dollars would crumble the whole amazon company.

I think if you like gambling then watching online casino streams is not necessary. Play for your own pleasure, why waste time watching streams of gambling.

I want to ask gamblers. Why do you watch online casino streams?

Watching other people gamble, specially if they are winning hundreds of thousands or even millions like Roshtein and Train is also a pleasure to those people that are also playing slots. There could even have chance that those who just learned about slot/live casino gambling be entertained just by watching.
Also, personally I wouldn't be able to bet such big amount that these streamers are placing. So for me it really is a good opportunity to watch them play having such bets.

Odysee in addition to having livestreaming and both crypto (creators keep 100%) and cash tips, of which cash tips 93% go to creators (not 50-70% lol) and being based off of the censorship proof blockchain technology on the LBRY network and mostly censorship free on the Odysee front-end also just introduced their memberships program just the other day:

https://odysee.com/$/memberships

This gives immense flexibility to streamers for optionality. This platform has been growing exponentially the past few years, but I can't believe it hasn't gotten even more attention after just all the mega deplatforming everywhere. This gambling thing being one small microcosm of the problem

Wow, if they want to ban it they should go ahead, we have YouTube right? I believe YouTube still allow gambling videos with fair rules and regulations for the YouTubers, this is what Twitch should do too but well it's their problem.

One thing is for sure, if the website doesn't want to let someone do something, that is in their right to do it. We consider "illegal" in a very grey sense here, because we like to gamble here and we are gamblers, but the reality is that gambling is not allowed in most places. Sure it's not as illegal as stealing from someone, or hurting someone, but it's still illegal.

It means, just like how you can't do any of those illegal things, you can't do this neither because it's illegal in almost everywhere aside from a few places. That's an important thing. Because it gives them the ease of mind to ban it, and give this as credible reason behind it.

Based on this announcement, Twitch will update their policy on 18th October. They aren't going to allow the streaming of casino games. They have also mentioned the name of some casinos in the announcement, Stake is one of them. But Stake has announced that Drake will stream the casino games of Stake on his Twitch account on 17th October 1 AM GMT.


Seems like Stake.com is trying to take the benefit of the current policy of Twitch to make their last stream there. I'm wondering what Twitch team will do during the stream of tomorrow :P

That is a scared move, and I understand why it is done but let's not act as if Amazon does everything USA tells them to do, they are the ones who forced USA to accept their situation by saying they could easily move their headquarters to Ireland, in fact some of the big tech startups did, some went to Singapore and some went to Ireland.

Because taxes there are lower, but then there are legal complications so most of them stayed of course. However, Amazon could have forced the government to accept the gambling streamers if they wanted to, it was a small time thing and wouldn't be really a matter for the government, they wouldn't care all that much, but instead Amazon didn't care too much and stopped it instead.

anyway, these streamers/gamblers will always find another platform to do their job. maybe the free streaming service DLive will be popular this time and will find this a very useful streaming platform. if one door closes, other doors will open. that's not the end of their job. maybe in the future they will regret banning these gambler streamers. but at that point, it doesn't matter anymore to gamblers as they already found their new streaming network.

I don't really think they ban streaming gambling on their platform. they only limit, licensed gambling is still allowed.
Maybe they don't really care about the negative impact of gambling, maybe this is just one way of regulation from the government.
We know Twitch can never undo a gamble. Of course some of the gambling sites that they banned will continue to run elsewhere and on other platforms.
I think even though there will be a lot of negative impacts that arise, maybe it should just limit the age rather than ban it.
But they know better which is a good step to manage the development of their platform.

I also saw this announcement a few days ago, the last streaming... I didn't watch it, 1 am is pretty late for me! I was wondering if they were going to announce the next streaming place, did something like that happen? Was it DLive? And one more thing I'm interested in, did they force the story about the next place?

I guess Drake is really rich, but some casinos had pretty young streamers gambling with millions like crazy... with $10k bets and higher, buying bonus rounds with 6 digits numbers. And before they lose everything they "magically" get lucky and recover with a nice profit on top! I think that casinos will not quit this kind of marketing, the only question is where will they move after tomorrow?

Only few hours left before they would really be leaving out Twitch and we would really able to know on what platform they would really be hopping on but surely it would be one of those most common streaming sites.

Speaking about Drake then he wont really care on where he would be hanging on and have those streams but its true that Twitch is really just losing some significant part of streams that they do have in their platform

but well its their company then its their rules to be followed.They dont just really like for their reputation to be tarnished out even though it means on removing gambling streams.

I keep seeing Dlive.tv by stake.com. Is there other alternatives streaming platform for slots besides this?

I believe if the casino game being streamed requires some strategy, like BlackJack and Craps, instead of being just a game of chance, and with the streamer actually teaching people about the maths and the probabilities of the game, Twitch wouldn't ban "gambling streaming". Did Twitch mention that poker player streamers would also be banned? Poker is not a game of chance/gambling.

I saw a useless video with the screen of a slot machine rolling over and over, winning 25,000x in every five rolls. That's what Twitch might be banning. Those useless streams.

I don't think there is another alternative. Now when Twitch doesn't allow streaming from some crypto casinos there's a lot of empty space... Even DLive is not as popular as I saw in some discussions on telegram, I think they don't have a lot of people hanging there. But just two days passed, and most of us wait for the last moment before moving, so in the next weeks/months we will see DLive getting more popular. Of course, if we don't see some new streaming platform entering in the crypto-gambling space.

There was BlackJack.fun user who calls himself "Kas" who was streaming through YouTube while he was playing BlackJack. YouTube could become the next video streaming platform preferred by casino players/gamblers. He was not banned, or blocked. I believe the bans only apply to marketers/promoters that doesn't share anything valuable, not to those who stream casino games for "educational" purposes. 8)

Maybe it's because no one has complained about getting the consequences of watching the streaming video, so Youtube still allows viewers to watch the broadcast. But if many later complain, it may be like what Twitch and Youtube will probably tighten their rules on gambling. If that's really the case, it looks like players streaming via YouTube should find another place that won't mind the content. But I don't think that's fair either because we should be able to choose what we watch and not complain if we get any repercussions. Well, hopefully, the audience can be wise in choosing the content.

Youtube has a very strict policy for gambling. I guess you shall go to the somewhere. Youtube was still allowing streamer to play that but it seems like your account might be banned anytime by youtube. I saw some streamers that were still using youtube as well. I think that if so many streamers are looking for alternative streaming platform other than twitch

As expected, after ban almost 90% of Twitch streamers I follow now have been affiliate with Dlive, it will be interesting trend to watch. YouTube can't compete with Dlive in terms of freedom and monetization, IMO.

I'm still seeing twitch users streaming gambling content on Twitch.

You have some users like this guy https://www.twitch.tv/kyharr who just has a message up with a link to his dlive channel.

Then you have other users like https://www.twitch.tv/cryptopher83 who are streaming gamdom as we speak.

Well, the freedoms on YouTube have been highly regulated, I don't know if they now allow great live presentations, although I have seen that they have used YouTube to be able to access different types of concerts by influential artists and I don't know if YouTube takes a part and another part is carried out by Youtubers, for me these things are more regulated on YouTube in the same way as on Twitch, a new social network would have to come out with the same benefits as Twitch and that can allow more freedoms and thus live from everyone the promotions that they can do within that platform, I don't think it will be that difficult to achieve.


Well I've already seen some streamers who have gone to Dlive, I don't know, but I think that here twitch is the only loser, I wonder if now with all this, are they all going to migrate there? they have the same freedoms, the truth is that I am not very familiar with that platform, I have no idea if they have the same quality, and if they also have the same concept of twitch, I hope that this time they do not make a mistake with the sponsors because one of the ways that Twitch lost the most because of the contributions they receive from them, they should also add more options, and rules for which we have more freedom, where they allow casino representatives to function naturally.

It could be, but I see that Facebook has as new rule like in the past week, but not sure if this covers gambling streamers as a result of the Twitch saga.

I thought Clive could be one good alternative, but we will see if it has what it takes to be the new home of this gambling streamers or there will be new one coming along. Again, this really sent shockwave from all front specially those who have been calling Twitch a home for the last 4-5 years as the gambling industry grows. But since the take over, every streamers should be looking for other ways to make money or what they do best.

Apart from the ban, some sites and region do not condole gambling to avoid unnecessary trigger and abuse which is normally done by selfish gamblers and also from people who are not supposed to be gambling especially the children that could find good alternative in playing bets to make more money. This ban is cause so many havoc making some persons to look for fast alternative to satisfy their curious to continue playing bets and making profits just like they have been doing.

Regarding this topic, we need to see what causes, reasons, and explanations for Twitch to ban content about gambling on their platform, as for these things you can see directly from the link below.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/22/1124384092/twitch-bans-some-gambling-content-after-an-outcry-from-streamers

It will not be possible for streamers to bring it back because this time around it was a little bit more about law and a lot less about what twitch and amazon wanted. The usual thing is if you remove a feature then you are not going to get in trouble if you put it back, maybe the streamers liked that feature and they want it back, or maybe the viewers did, and that way you could put something back in.

But, this time around it’s not just a feature, it's literally a whole segment of it and that means they can't just make it come back that easily because there are laws involved. I believe that it’s a good decision to get rid of it, doesn't really hurt anyone, and helps a ton of people stay away from it.

Well, it is necessary to emphasize that every streamer will look for the cheapest possible side, because this is the main thing, it will also be for the benefit of those who enter the streamer, so if we decide to watch, the best option is YouTube, Instagram, that they have a good platform for it, however with the policies for games if they do not allow them simply they are the ones who lose, I think that a person who uses these platforms if they see that it is from an online casino they will be interested, also they have some streamers good people, or influential people is much better, for example, in the case of stake.com we have Drake, and where Drake goes all his fnas will go then that is something that should not be given much importance.

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In my personal opinion about all this it is that it is a pity that things could develop like this, they have killed a business model for what I consider a small thing, with wanting to comply and having to demonstrate "values" they have stopped receiving many millions of dollars, this is something that sometimes I can't understand, while they do this here, someone else is doing the activity they had here on twich, it's a real shame.

For now I think there are many streamers who have gone to a platform called dlive, I don't know what it's like, I don't have an account there, but where they offer a service similar to the one that twich had, many will leave without hesitation.

https://www.ltccasino.com/cryptocasino/roshtein-full-story-of-twitch-s-crypto-casino-ban/

full story about Rosh and others fake money streamers

As far as I know on this matter, not all gambling platforms are hosted by Twitch, rather those hosted by Twitch are only unlicensed gambling live streams that are no longer available on Twitch.

And from what I saw, it started to be implemented last October 18, 2022, so the only gambling platforms that can live streaming using the Twitch platform are licensed online gambling businesses.

I read it in the media that the ban is only for unlicensed gambling websites but rules regarding games that are included in the prohibition of making some big gambling websites that are licensed no longer do stream there such as stake rollbit and duelbits, so this is really like a complete ban for crypto casinos, and many streamers do stream when playing casino games based on luck and since this is prohibited there is no longer any reason for gambling streamers to use Twitch.
However apart from the types of games that are banned from publishing, there are also other rules that Twitch has implemented are no longer fun and profitable for streamers such as they are not allowed to share referral codes and some other rules, so twich will be abandoned and streamers and gambling websites will use other platforms.

That's just a valid action from twitch. Twitch is a huge platform already. I think they have two reasons why they are banning these unlicensed casinos to be streamed; one is not supporting platforms which could promote risk for the viewers (scam or fraud online gambling platforms) even if they are being streamed by trusted streamers, they might not want twitch to be a part of the potentil problem. Another guess is monetary support from the gambling platform. Things being streamed on twitch are gettinf more players because of the exposure twitch and streamers are giving. And thode unregidtered are more likely non-paying as well. But these are just mere guesses. They probably have more valid reasons why.

It is quite understandable if twitch did only ban gambling platforms that are unlicensed however most of the gambling platforms, they've banned are licensed such as Stake. But still, I guess that Twitch is avoiding any crypto gambling casino on their platform whether they are licensed or not. I'm not sure about the reason behind this but it is more likely connected to crypto.

When a streamer loses comfort in his favorite platform of presentations, it is not easy to return, he may have many followers, but by changing so much, it does not please him, neither for the streamer nor for his audience, but this should not be a reason to kick us out die, there are more platforms that allow them to have the freedoms that everyone is looking for, it will also be a great business for them because they will find very good sponsorships, just imagine a Drake, who is so famous and moves so many masses, sponsored by stake.com, which is one of the biggest casinos in the world, being on another platform, that platform fills up with money quickly.

And now almost a month from their ban, it seems that gambling streams are still continuing. Paid gambling streamers are still being paid big time regardless of what platform they are going to show their game.

With that, did Twitch made the right decision?

Do they still make money out of those gambling streams in their platform? Because as far as I know there are still some that can stream it through Twitch.

Actions speak louder than words.

Twitch made the announcement to show that they are moving closer to the policies of their parent organization (Amazon). But in the end, they need the revenue. So they can't go too hard on the gambling streams. If they crack down on the streams too hard, then they will end up like Tumblr. I don't need to remind anyone about what happened to Tumblr after they decided to ban certain content that contributed to >95% of their revenue. I understand that Twitch is owned by Amazon. But then they need to rethink whether enforcing all of Amazon's policies can be viable for Twitch.

Money doesn't even speak and it guides our actions.
I honestly thought Amazon would enforce a hard ban on gambling streaming, since the profit Amazon takes from their other branches should be more than enough to fill the void gambling streamers could left, but I suppose that cut is bigger than I thought It was.

I have not checked Twitch lately and I still remember when it was mostly about video games and then attractive women in hot tubs and gambling appeared and found a place on the platform, perhaps Amazon indeed wants to avoid committing the same mistake Tumblr did, they banned explicit content and I think a lot of their user base moved to Twitter.

It could be Amazon is not so sure on their market position in the long term if other streaming services end up benefiting from what they ban.

It is interesting this is happening because many users in this thread predicted that this would be a terrible idea as gambling streamers were getting more and more popular in the platform.

And now it seems that they are not enforcing this ban nowhere near as strictly as what they made it seem in the first place, and while this is a good thing it would be best if they dropped all pretenses and they simply allowed gambling streamers again, because even if they can still do their job the risk is still there and they could be banned at any moment if a moderator decides to enforce the rules one day.

I read that streamers are allowed to show only gambling websites that are licensed in the United States. Is it true?

In any case, I think banning gambling streams is the same as banning movies for showing tobacco smoking or alcohol drinking. There are countries where such movies are banned, but I wouldn't want to live there. You can enforce age restrictions, but banning is stupid.

I'm glad that Twitch didn't actually ban gambling streaming.

In my country very rarely does anyone use it, it's still different from me, I always use Twitch to watch and learn how to play people, at least it's a little knowledge for playing gambling, and we can apply it when we play gambling, even though some of the games are different at least that can fill the void of my time to watch..

That's crazy if they just let someone violate the rules that they set and won't do any legal actions about it or maybe twitch doesn't have any rules at all?

Twitch is a gaming platform and there are lots of underage people who watch on it so streaming explicit content on there is so inappropriate but if they can do that then they can also ban gambling sites which are innocent are on the mainstream already but leave those who are not popular and not really trusted. With a strange behaviour like that, many will be glad instead that big gambling sites are removed from them. They need to transfer on a platform with a better management.

I heard that in some countries smoking scenes in films (even the old 60-70s where everyone smoked in any situation) are subject to the effect of "blurring". That is, you do not see a cigarette  ;D
Sounds like complete nonsense! At the same time, the scenes of the murder and other things remain. Such censorship is very funny, since the movie is supposed to reflect life, but when I see a "blurred" cigarette in the bandit's hand, I want to laugh.

In my opinion gambling should not be banned. 

The ban is possible only in relation to activities that very seriously violate generally accepted social norms (gambling does not violate them).  Streaming and gambling is a business.  Business must be free.  The leaders of Twitch are doing very wisely and adequately. 

Formally, they declare bans on gambling streaming (these bans are imposed on them by Amazon), but in fact they ignore them.  In the current situation, this is a very reasonable policy.

Actually, there is a solution to this, namely restrictions for certain countries that do not legalize gambling. I'm sure there are algorithms that can separate their users, such as by banning IPs from countries that don't allow gambling. However, if in the end Twitch doesn't want to change their decision to keep gambling banned, streamers have found many alternative applications including tiktok. I see a lot of gambling steamers already using tiktok.

Twitch has a huge community but gambling streamers still have lots of options since there are still other bigger platforms that allow them to stream freely. It seems like Twitch wants to protect its reputation but the sad thing is, it's also affecting gambling businesses as well as streamers who just want to earn. I think it's time for streamers to ask their followers to still follow and support them when they switch to other platforms so they will still b able to make money from streaming. I'm sure that more better opportunities await them.

Yeah, and probably Twitch just gave in from the pressures, as I have suspected that once everything has settled down a bit and the issues forgotten, paid streamers and gamblers will continue and resume and will used their platform again or any other.

And so it will continue to go on, it's not like Twitch is the crusader, on the contrary, the revenue that they have lost already could be amounting to millions. So again, I believed that they will slowly allow streamers again to show gambling in their platform in the next couple of months to make some money to survived in this business. Otherwise streaming services like Clive might be the to go platform for this paid streamers to it's a lost for Twitch.

I guess it's all just for publicity and PR matters. So, their critics would see that they're taking action on it nevertheless, Twitch is earning a lot from this gambling content and they just have to show that they're acting on probable complaints that they have received.
I'm sure that they just can't stopped these contents and there's a large reach for these gambling streamers and content so they just can't have a whole implementation of total ban to them.

It's fine that Twitch wants to protect its reputation because streamers know why, too.
Streamers will look for other places that can still receive their content so they can still invite their followers to move places too.
Followers will follow wherever the streamer moves because they like the content of that streamer.
This may be a way to make money for platforms that still allow those streamers to upload their content.

https://youtu.be/9X5eSMS_Uow

For sure it did really make out some effects somehow in talks about revenue specially on Twitch considering that they had ban out gambling streams or content which it is really something but its not
an overall thing which could put them on huge effect since they are still running despite of the ban.For those streamers who had been affected then pretty sure that they would really be
switching up into other place which i do see the nearest platform would be Dlive.

https://www.bigwinboard.com/former-twitch-crypto-streamers-find-new-home-on-dlive/
https://thegamerstation.com/en/twitch-banned-gambling-streamers-switched-to-dlive/

So not really that a big issue.

^^ It's too early to say that if they are not affected revenue wise. Their decision was just implement last month and so there are no reports as far as their revenue goes.

And with that, give them at least a year to see how it is, if there is a mass exodus of twitch gambling streamers to other platform and bringing with them their followers. And if this is true then definitely it will be felt by Twitch and we will see their official report maybe around April-May where usually companies released to the public their revenues.

I hope it won't come to that with gambling streaming. Imaging seeing slots blurred on Twitch, or wherever, when streamer is going "C'mon, c'mon, c'mon! I need another Scatter!!!". It's like listening to porn on the radio, innit? :) But seriously, it would be ridiculous, let's establish that.

After those words I would like to add that I would be happy if they found a way to prevent minors from watching those streams.

Companies do this all the time, they had to show they were doing something against the possibility of those watching gambling streamers becoming addicted or presenting gambling problems and then argue they acquired this behavior on their platform.

But at the same time they wanted to keep the profits those streams produce, so they ban gambling streamers on paper but they fail to enforce the ban and they give the image they want while they still receive traffic and money from those streamers.

This will be a bad move for Twitch. With their scroony attitude in relation to gambling they will end up losing much of their users. A lot of people are using Twitch to show their games a build a followers base. If they end up migrating on to other platforms Twitch will only be losing.

All and all, I'm already using Rumble as an alternative...

What I think of all this is that Twitch killed the goose that lays the golden eggs, not only because it banned a casino of the caliber of stake.com but it is limiting things a lot, and from experience I know that when a site gets like this it goes bankrupt very quickly and no one will want to enter, no one likes limitations when it comes to money and more than that it is favorable to people, I don't know what or why they made such a bad decision, things could have been It turned out differently, however they preferred to go the way where a conciliation is not possible so that they can get a better deal, something better and an opportunity for the casinos that have always been faithful to the platform.

Perhaps these measures announced by Twitch have anything to do with the NFT fever that was going on during the first months of this year?
Casinos have nothing to do with NFT's but NFTs are part of the crypto ecosystem. Because many failed projects and scams which involved NFT's, there has been a negative perception about them, specially from the public which does not partake in our community very often. is there any possibility this was the idea of an uninformed Twitch executive ?

Well, personally, when there was the rise of NFT games, I was one of those who thought it was going to be something very good, and I played Plants vs Undead, and also through a scholarship I went to play Axie, maybe I came. in too late and I had no profit first in Plants vs Undead it stopped after I joined and kept going down and in Axie you have to be really good to get everything so basically what I did was lose money then maybe the fact having twitch with an uninformed agent or executive could have had a significant impact when making a decision, however I think there are things that have more weight behind all this.

Currently with the NFT thing they have cleaned up the name a lot, for example in Rollbit, they have their project with the NFT Rollbots and that gives a lot of credibility to the NFT, for me there was much more to the Twitch thing and that maybe we don't know, In this aspect, the business model they manage is quite broad and it is very difficult to determine the reasons or possible reasons and to tell the truth, what you suppose is something that makes a lot of sense, maybe that's where the whole problem is headed.

You should check the statistic first, as you can see on twitchtracker [1] there's no huge change between October 2022 and November 2022 stats which mean gambling streamers on twitch doesn't give huge impact for them. Also not all gamblers are get banned on twitch since they're still allow sportsbetting, I think sports has more traffic since world cup has been started in this year. If twitch ban the whole slots, sports, poker, etc it would give huge impact to twitch.

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[1] https://twitchtracker.com/statistics

Sorry to read you had a bad experience with those NFT games, I have personally met some people around here which were invested in Plants vs Undead and friend of mine who also had a Axie Infinity scholarship. I never played Axie but at first glance seems to be a well-built game, at least...

Also, the problem is that for every legitimate NFT project, there are hundreds of scams which basically just want to steal people's Ether without even delivering the tokens in a proper way or with the functionality promised. I am just trying to make sense out the timing of this ban, gambling has been a thing for a while both in Youtube and Twitch, I even recall people gambled with Counter Strike skins of high value, both teens and children had easy access to those Youtubers and streamers, one of the only differences this time is the existence of the NFTs, otherwise, if Twitch was worried about teens consuming gambling videos they would have taken measures before.

Twitch is a huge platform with a big community so banning gambling streams won't affect them that much. They will never ban gambling streaming if it will affect their platform badly. I'm sure that they did a series of studies before they made this decision. However, it's another earning opportunity lost for streamers but they can still find other ways to do streaming. It is not the end for them yet, especially those with a huge number of followers.

Not really impressive statistics compare to thier biggest competitor. The streamers went to Twitch to expand their audience but most of these streamers started on youtube which they still are on youtube, they just have an account on Twitch, Dlive, Rumble, and Facebook.

But this gambling streamers ban could be a directive from authorities and so they don't want to be suppressed they just follow.

Most Twitch gambling streamers I know switched to Dlive before the ban had taken effect. I think this ban from twitch somehow affected gambling casinos because some casinos hire twitch streamers to promote their platform. It's one of the best way to get prospect gambler for a gambling website. I haven't watched and gambling streams for a while, so I have no clue how it ended for some streamers when they switched over to Dlive.

Yes, i totally agree with this very statement of yours, because in as much as there are many streamers, there are some who does it in a unique way with style that fans wont mind following him or her to any other platforms just to stream his or her content live. And I'm sure if Twitch do not have a rethink about this, they may end up losing more people using their social media, as gambling casinos use to have the most sponsorship on twitch

I think about exactly the same thing: can banning gambling streams significantly affect top streamers on twitch? Yes, they will lose some money, that's for sure, because, I heard, with streaming gambling they receive 2-3 times more payment than they get from other streams, but would they move to another platform if streaming gambling were completely banned?

They will definitely move to another platform,  though it haven't occurred to me to research and see what was the later outcome of this since we are way past the October 18th which was the initial deadline, I believe that if the ban was later enforced, then it should be in full effect by now, I will try to find out later

But the sure thing is that most streamers will definitely move to another platform, I don't even know why they all would have to depend on one platform in the first place, there's Instagram, there's Facebook(though I hate this platform), there's YouTube(I don't know if gambling streams are legal here though), there are a lot other social media platforms where they can move, or better still, they come together and create their own streaming platform with zero censorship/that is completely decentralization.

This was a tricky move because gambling streams weren't really banned at all as you can see in the next link:

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Slots

People keep streaming slots, and the question here is, Then what does really change?

People can't promote casinos or use their affiliate links, and that was the main reason why the main gambling streamers decide to quit twitch.

Back lashes in the sense of gambling addiction in its users or in the sense that, users promotes referral link through there casted streams.
They need to be really clear on what these back lashes are because, these are the purposes or benefits one could hope to get from these activities with respect to site and individual broadcaster or stream host.
Eithe of the reasons, I don't see what's wrong in that!

Addiction would always build in users that are unable to manage there gambling habits. It doesn't matter much about the streams, so long as there is other promotions on the bets, that's some good enough exposure.

Banning don't seem like the best solution to me.

As I see from the latest news, streaming purely luck-based games was banned on twitch, and now Twitch’s viewership is at its lowest point since September 2020 (https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-viewership-drop-november-2022-why-2002558/), and, among other things, gambling ban has contributed to that, I'm sure.



Yes, look at this news:


Following Twitch's decision to ban some forms of gambling content on the streaming platform, Tyler “Trainwreck” Niknam — one of the biggest streamers on the website for several years — announced his plans to move over to a new streaming site known as Kick.com. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/trainwreck-joins-kick-after-twitch-gambling-ban-twitch-pads-the-pockets-of-a-handful-of-creators/ar-AA14WRHM?li=BBnb2gh)

Trainwreck's channel still has a month old video with slots spinning

https://i.imgur.com/ADdenBh.png

but it is called "LAST GAMBLING STREAM ON TWITCH". The video's got over 2 million views, and it looks like it was indeed the last gambling related stream by him. But I personally think Trainwreck won't actually leave twitch. We'll see.

Well without going too far, in the case of stake.com, with Drake he is an influencer who can go to any platform and I am sure that any of his followers will not mind going where he says, because they are people who already have many followers, fans and twitch is just a platform, it doesn't mean that ´for the platform all the fun and things should continue, it's a shame because I personally like that platform a lot, it's also comfortable and when the internet connection it was slow there was a special buffer function, that's something very comfortable, I'm not the only one who sometimes has a slow internet, so all those functions are what one misses.

Does DLive doesnt have this kind of feature? I havent used Dlive or other streaming platforms other than Twitch which it is really indeed that great but since they do make out such decision then there's nothing we can

do.To those who are solid fans of those streamers then if they do tend to switch up into other platforms then it would really be normal that they would really be following along.In speaking with those competitors of

Twitch which its really that impossible that they wont really be applying other platforms feature and would tend to hook up those previous users specially now
that Twitch had really ban or prohibit gambling streams.

Also, we need to know how many gamblers were streaming on twitch and what percentage did it contribute to the overall streaming at twitch.

I do not think it may bring a dent in the twitch revenue if the percentage of gambler streamers were not so high but it will definitely effect the streamers who were making regular income on this platform.

The sad part is that we do not have any decentralized platform where these streamers can continue streaming and keep on making the same amount of money.

According to Twitch, the primary cause of the restriction on the mentioned gambling services, including Stake, is a conflict with US regulations around licensing. The majority of the platforms they have banned, meanwhile, are cryptocurrency-based gambling services, thus it appears that the focus is primarily on preventing all gambling-related streams from running on the platform. I am aware that everyone who relies on that platform will be impacted but I think, streamers will most likely shift to other platforms like YouTube and their followers will shift there too.

this is a rather complicated and difficult question to understand, whether Twitch is banning gambling because of US law or if they are simply wanting to protect other people from exposure to gambling, but in any case looking at a neutral scenario I would say that the Twitch affix is wrong, I say this because there are several places where they advertise gambling and if we notice they always put "prohibited for minors under 18 and play responsibly" then why is Twitch simply don't you give warnings like these and leave the streams alone? would it be a good request because if they use arguments about US governments? so in this case they would be asking the casinos to have a US license something that I don't see being possible for now or anytime soon

Less about the the backlash that the streamers are receiving from streaming these gambling sites, but more about protecting Twitch's image. There had been instances in the past where Twitch prohibited certain tropes that streamers use to reel in users, I could still remember twitch in 2016 banning accounts that stream with revealing clothes because the platform is slowly becoming riddled with boobie streamers who use their body to bait pubescent teens into watching their streams. They came just in the nick of time before twitch gets recognized as a site that condones such lascivious acts, I believe they are upholding the same interest in the ban against gambling sites streaming. They wanna make sure their contents are kids-friendly first, and that they don't get recognized as the site for streamers that play dice games second, especially now that the competition is tight between YouTube, Facebook Gaming, and Twitch.

Twitch remains a subsidiary of Amazon and things are always done properly right? If they had decided to adopt the system of "not allowing gambling streams", then that should not just be a decision made by the staffs or operational officers, it's something that has been pondered about severely from all their affiliates....
As it says, they just made additions to their existing policies and that has always been the core target to keep any firm going... Nothing wrong, Maybe the viewers are just tired of seeing gambling ads, maybe they need some privacy views

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So you are telling a completely different point of view of this ban. Initially, I thought that gambling streamers were banned from Twitch but as you said that Twitch only stops the usage of affiliate links and streamers themselves quit the streams because they don't find it useful to live stream gambling without mentioning their affiliate links.

Is this the real reason and it also means that for those streamers who do not want to go live on twitch, it's their personal decision and twitch never banned them?

Well, if affiliate links is the only concern here, the streamers can share their telegram handle and on telegram they may share their affiliate links ? I mean there are a lot of indirect ways to capture and direct the audience to the affiliate links so why quit streaming?

With the exception of those that rage quit Twitch after the ban I suppose that those that left due to the inability of using their referral links probably did so because they are not achieving the same conversion rate as they did in the past, after all you need a really driven person to click several links to reach your referral, now this does not mean they quit streaming and they are probably doing so in a different platform which allows them to do this, so even if the number of people watching them went down if their conversion rate is higher then they could be earning more money than what they could earn on Twitch.

If it's only about the affiliate links, then indeed you can just stop showing them and keep streaming. And maybe they did just that, because this guy is steaming slots right now

https://i.imgur.com/lCFfN30.png

and not only him, I'm sure. So, after all, streaming gambling wasn't banned on twitch, as we can see. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's streaming against the twitch current rules?

Well, so far I think that it does, but since on some occasions they are still using Twitch, but despite all this, I don't think that Twitch has benefited from all this problem, I don't see that they have done anything relevant to get out winning or have taken advantage of the situation to get a good tajkada or a good amount of money, on the contrary, I think that Twtich made a very bad move, if they ban on the one hand, another platform like Dlive or another will find the way to do it better and without prohibitions, people like freedom and that is something that can be found on the web, now that there are so many ways to do it.

Lol, having 200 active viewers isn't bad at all, I don't think there's no any single person didn't report his account since he's playing slots. I think Twitch's team isn't really professional about their rules, maybe it's really affect their site if they're ban the whole casino streamers? so it's depends on Twitch for ban or not ban those streamers, if they didn't ban it, then the streamers are just lucky, but if they got banned, they can't blame and make a complaint to Twitch.

Or maybe Twitch just show that they wanted to stop gambling in their platform because there were heat and under the microscope that time. And now since everything has settled down, and it seems the issue is quiet now, they are slowly allowing the players getting back at their platform to stream gambling again, so who knows.

Yeah, it could be 200 active viewers now, but soon it will balloon to 2000 and then 20000 and it's all over again.

It will definitely affect their site, especially in terms of incoming revenue because so far I think the gambling industry provides a large income for Twitch. And now that they ban gambling on their site it can really make their site lose the popularity they have built so far. Those streamers might not be coming back to Twitch again because of a bad experience but if Twitch wants to entice them with some conveniences, maybe they'll come back to Twitch.

Twitch will only make an action if their algorithm sees a not included to their whitelist with the possible keyword of gambling so they can immediately terminate those lives happens, else they don't have this kind of thing they will wait for the report of the people keep streaming, also most likely is they regulated with the videos only but the caption I guess they don't care regarding with this because some of them are still keep making a promotion with their partnered gambling casinos.

Maybe Twitch has a basis to follow before banning a gambling stream. We can't blame those streamers who are still trying to earn through gambling streaming on the said platform because it's still an opportunity to earn. Maybe Twitch is observant yet they are still fair and not banning accounts without complete basis and evidence so things won't backfire them.

Some of the users have already pointed out. Twitch is a subsidiary of Amazon (acquisition was done in 2014) and therefore they need to follow the directives from their parent organization. I am not sure, but this maybe the reason why they are going for the ban now. In case Amazon allows an exception for Twitch then they can continue with the live gambling streams. I don't have much of an idea how much of Twitch's revenue comes from these live streams. In case it is less than 10%, then they are probably not going to care.

Just recently my casino livestreamed their raffle giveaway on Kick.com, which bears some resemblance to Twitch.

https://pictr.com/images/2022/12/28/EU6Stx.png

Layout-wise, not a bad alternative I'd say. Might take some time for it to grow.

Thanks for the share up and its true that it isnt really that a bad alternative considering that there are really indeed some elements if we do talk about resemblance but not totally that obvious but for those who

get used to Twitch then you could totally notice it out directly. I dont know about  Dlive is really getting some significant numbers after the ban?
There are even people said that there are still streams about gambling after such decision or i had just missed out something?

I am entirely sure that it would be something that is more and more popular overtime. Twitch has done so many bad things over course of many months now, maybe even over a year. People realize that they are a monopoly, and they go there when they want to first start out, but when they grow big enough there are other places, such as youtube for example, and you could always be there.

Doesn't mean you will make the same money, but if you make a lot already then you could say no to excess amount and switch for bigger potential. Which one would you prefer? Making 250k a year on twitch forever, or making 150k on Kick.com with a chance to make 500k+ one day if you consistently stream?

It's equally nice getting to know gambling live streamers now have a better alternative to Twitch since after it's ban few months ago, because with the features I read "Kick" has, it seems more better compared to "Twitch", as It has a subscriber button where steamers get to receive 95% of subscription revenue, and it also has a tipping system whereby streamers will be able to withdraw funds on the same day:
https://i.ibb.co/4RTdjs6/Screenshot-20221229-161637.jpg (https://ibb.co/23tNj8D)

It is very difficult to prohibit gambling activities. Moreover, the developers and owners of the casino business are people who have a lot of money.
So it was very easy for him to find a way to keep running his business, even if he had to fight against the government.
The number of greedy government officials can also be taken advantage of by continuing to run a gambling by giving some money to these elements to shut up and help the gambling activities.
So do not be surprised if there is still a flow of gambling after the ban was imposed.

The idea is to just disrupt the market by getting what is not allowed in other places. I mean we had erotic cam websites for a long time and they streamed and that caused a little bit of difference. But, when onlyfans started people acted as if that's normal, which I think it's normal but to imagine onlyfans as normal yet some stream websites as not normal? That's weird.

So, I guess there will eventually one website where it is allowed to do ANYTHING as long as it's fine by law, like not "watch me steal money live!" type of deal of course lol, but anything legal will be allowed and it will grow to be much much bigger than twitch one day, I am 100% sure of it.

You do actually have a point but if it turns out that Twitch is still allowing these gambling streams despite of the ban then it would really be totally be raising up some questioning on whats been happening? Therefore it
would really be creating some issue which would make out some bad impression towards the platform or those gambling streamers wouldnt really just care and would flock again to make streams knowing that majority
of streaming fellas would really be going back since they do know that the ban isnt really that fully in effect since there are people who could still able to make through.
When it comes to bribe and corruption then i wont really be surprised with that probability.

Onlyfans is normal because we even have erotic websites and pornsites but it may be prohibited to post links like this in general sites which can be access by underage people. Twitch is mainly built for streaming video games in the first place and not totally for gambling so they have the rights to ban gambling streams on their platform but there must be a streaming site out there that is specifically built for gambling streams.

One example would be dlive because stake casino has been using this streaming platform for a long time now. I am only not sure if there is such site like you said where everything is allowed. If there is then I think it will be too crowded or laggy to use. I am not wishing it for now when we still have some alternatives.

We don't know the numbers on how many gamblers were streaming on twitch, but the mere fact that it made a lot noises in the last couple of months made me think that it is that big and it could be one of the top streamers generating revenue for the company in my opinion. And that is why they are somewhat force because of the heat they are taking and agree on all terms to 'stop' it at the meantime.

But as we have seen now, it looks like it is slowly getting back again, they are allowing streamers to their fold because simply the money that this streamers are putting to their business is huge in my opinion.

That's one big truth.

When those activities before we're like the hidden secrets of many users and then a huge company puts up the actual place where everyone who has that darkest secrets meet there and get paid for those fancy activities that they've been wanting to do and monetize.

The same will surely be made for gambling, this type of action from Twitch is just like complying to whatever issue has brought to them.

Viewers won't be gone and they know it but the sudden drop of their activity will push them to modify the ruling or they should look at their own platform every now and then, because many of them are still there, free.

Still can't believe this community hasn't rallied harder around the Odysee/LBRY. It's not a dedicated streaming platform like Twitch is, but it has by far the best chance to have a branch that operates that way and in terms of volume relative to a total zero like Kick, it could really grow.

And it's all based on the completely censorship resistant LBRY blockchain protocol that's been around since 2016.
https://i.imgur.com/3gJ9Sld.png

https://i.imgur.com/V0EZGin.png

I'm not against start ups, but (please tell me I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be wrong in this instance) it seems like Kick is just built on more Web2 technology basing it on promises. Twitch with promises. Not compelling as the future of streaming.

So it would be a nano cap volume website with antiquated technology vs a website using web3 censorship resistant blockchain technology and I'd imagine comfortably 1000x the user base.

The truth about the affiliate link I don't think Twitch is going to survive just from that, they would be falling very low, for now I have lost a lot of interest, I don't know about the others, but after having read so many things and how Such a famous platform stops receiving so much money and so many things, which were previously seen as an elite, now it is seen as a normal platform of live presentations that can be easily replaced.

Twitch's business model will always be affected, I think the core of this was caused by having made the worst decisions because they stopped a lot from the regulations that were imposed on them.

There was another well known and high profiled streamer who confessed to having lost everything on there as well.
Just found out about it 24 hours ago from their own chat area/room from another player who started the same time I had nearly 4 years ago.

Will be putting up a topic about it in the coming week after doing some more research on the developments about what actually happened with this twitch streamer who gambled away investors funds in the millions.

And it seems that later, Twitch will change its rules little by little to re-attract the interest of its users and will not violate government regulations. And Twitch may negotiate again with the government regarding this matter because the regulations from the government have clearly reduced their income. And Twitch is still seeing what it would be like if they still had the same rules in place today so they can later apply to change the rules. So while Twitch is still waiting, the streamers are looking for other places to still interact with their followers and keep their videos broadcast to the public.

Ah, late reply. Happened to see your response so here it goes.

I wouldn't call it significant but I do see a bunch of gambling videos the moment the main page loads.

According to some quick search, people are complaining about some streaming lag. Ain't a streamer myself so I can't verify that though.


Yup, but YouTube is a mighty monopoly that's hard to compete with. So many brands claim to be alternatives or killers but ultimately get abandoned or just died. After all, it's Google's cash cow.

Twitch ain't a saint, but many still stick to it since they have a loyal following and subscribers there. Only the gamblers or the controversial streamers might want to look elsewhere.

Once those alternate platforms stand the test of time and can offer a much better revenue cut for their streamers, then we'll see the change in landscape.

For sure Twitch might be making up some negotiations in regarding to revoke up such laws or regulation about banning gambling streams but most likely this would turn out to be final but who
knows that one day we would be seeing some change of decisions and they would really be allowing it again.

So far i do see up this one.
Top Streamer Launches Twitch Alternative

https://www.baltictimes.com/top_streamer_launches_twitch_alternative/

Could this be able to be enough on going with the competition?

A streaming website fully dedicated to gambling seems like too niche to gather enough attention from the public, and as such streamers would probably ignore such platform, so I think the opposite is the correct route.


So far the likes of YouTube and TikTok have tried to keep a family environment so there are a lot of things that are forbidden there, however a streaming site that was not afraid of pushing the boundaries and allowed everything as long as it was legal would probably gain a huge user base really quickly.

Since the thread was still active I was kinda curious, does anyone have any info on how effective the twitch ban was? I don't think it's has any negative connotation so far, no news about what has happened with twitch after all which basically means good news imo.

Casinos going for streamers and sponsoring them is attributed to their fame, which not only comes from gambling originally but from other sources as well. Having a website just for streaming gambling stuff seems kinda dumb, I reckon them making a channel (and possibly coordinating with the platform about possible rule bypasses) would prove to be much better, maybe inviting big streamers than gamble there every now and then.

Not really sure if this data can help us track how Twitch was affected business wise

https://twitchtracker.com/statistics

There's a lot of numbers to digest, but it seems they are not that affected, or at least at how we projected them to be due to he supposedly ban on gambling streamers in their platform.

And there are reports that gambling streamers are still alive and kicking on Twitch again.

Yeah, that's enough to get into the competition, and that will make Twitch change the law or the rules because they're going to see a drop in revenue. This must be paid attention to by Twitch because streaming sites need experienced streamers, especially those who already have a lot of followers, especially if Twitch can get huge income from various businesses or industries. Twitch will not stand by, watch its revenue drop dramatically, and look for other ways to increase its income.

I hope they can increase their income, because honestly to be much clearer, it was the best live performance platform, and they had the highest income that a platform of this style could have had, the business model killed it, and if we start to study why, it turns out to be something very silly, something that for me has no place, however due to the great regulations that exist in the world, they will always have repercussions in this type of company, there are times when you have to be something irreverent in the face of some things, because if not, this type of thing happens and just as there is a twitch, another platform will come out much better than this one, I'm sure of that.

Is there some revoked decision in regarding to this? If there are already people who had been streaming out some gambling streams then its safe to presume that it is allowed again.
It is really just that they havent decided to make it public or made out some announcement in regarding to this.It is really impossible that they wont really be that serious on banning
gambling streams.If the numbers or statistics havent changed after than gambling ban then it does shows that they are still relevant despite of the situation
but people says that there are streams that pertains about gambling.

I dont think its back, some gambling type was still allowed so its all a bit grey to begin with.


Twitch is not a monopoly, its just got the first mover advantage which helps alot.  People like to go from one stream to another and they are often all on that website so it works to connect a common resource, the viewers.   Twitch can lose their advantage if they get slack but seems they do a fair amount to develop and progress the website.  I'm not in favor of censorship but some think its valid to do, I would guess just age restriction would be enough but maybe internet in general has a problem doing that especially so people want to remove gambling from sight.

The only way that a government can give in is that they give them a part of the money that comes to them as a company, that's all, what happens is that they didn't know how to handle the situation, but as companies or something similar is a lie, With what happened, they won't be able to recover those clients, that's something we all know, or at least it's not impossible, but it's very difficult for them to materialize, if I'm in a place and then they fire me because they preferred to stop even more, Governor, That is not reliable for me, because the activity I do is legal and does not go against any government or something similar, so in view of all that I would not return, and I think it is very possible that some sites think like me.

For what it's worth, Twitch has always been very strict when it comes to adult content in their site. Yes every now and then you'd see Twitch Streamers, especially those dubbed as "boobie streamers" slipping past twitch's content moderating team but not for long. Twitch always had 100% response rate when it comes to situations like these. As for Onlyfans, that's the name of their game, they too tried once to change the status quo of their site, much to their user's dismay. Twitch, as a dying service, shouldn't really be banning gambling streams if it wants to stay afloat, but I gotta hand this one to them for putting integrity and their younger audiences first instead of the cashflow.

For those Boobies streamers then i wont see that they would be anytime soon to be restricted too.They would really be focusing or giving emphasis into those streams which are getting some attention or lots of

complaints or simply just being that too mindful about others condition which this might be ending up on molding lots of potential gambling addicts.If they do really have that kind of approach and  sincerity
in regarding with their mino audiences then they would really be removing it.

Its true that if they would need to keep afloat then they should revoked out such decision considering that gambling streams are one of the biggest im sure
that could bring out revenue on the company.

Most likely they are just turning a blind eye to gambling streamers at the moment and they are just evaluating their options.

This way they can more easily adjust their policies in the future, so if they want to once again try to clean their service from gambling streamers they do not need to ban them again and they can just enforce their rules more strictly and claim they lacked the resources to do this until now, and if they want more gambling streamers to use their services they can just keep this lax attitude when it comes to enforcing their own rules.

I like your explanation on this, it's better they enforce some rules that will make everybody happy and not cause issues for others, their platform is large enough for everybody. Some are making their daily income through this, it will be better if they consider it, but under the condition that the third parties are not violating anyone's rights and are dealing with only companies that are legit. Twitch is trying to be too strict, they should regulate/reform if they are so protecting the interest of their users and not for their personal hate.

That's true because implementing less stringent rules can bring those streamers back. Of course, the revenue that Twitch and streamers will get can also increase again, and this is a policy that might be mutually beneficial for both parties. Maybe implementing a filter or other additional features can be useful for viewers who don't want to see videos that are not related to what they are looking for. Considering various things may help everyone to be able to provide good viewing for their viewers and streamers won't feel too bound by those strict rules.

Twitch is already a very big place to accommodate every one and I think the backlash from influencers is also enough to make them ban all this gambling sites but on the other hand, I think they have to review most of this regulations rather than put a ban on it and most times scammers as we know aren't resting and are also evolving with the world and banning these companies from streaming on your sites isn't the best as it seems the decision is more of a hate than users protection policy and I will suggest that a review be done in this ban of gambling streaming.