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In difficult times like these, when even the smallest online shops or cryptocurrency exchanges are tracking all your transactions, you shouldn't forget about privacy, since privacy is an inalienable right of every person.

Due to the mechanics of the blockchain network, almost anyone can track the movement of your funds or even see the total balance of your wallet. We consider this an unacceptable privacy violation, and to address this issue we've created Yo!Mix. Our service has a zero-logging policy and we do not store any of our users personal information. For your convenience, we've created a TOR version of our site and a clean (no JavaScript) version.

With ][banned mixer]  (https://[banned mixer)you can safely mix your bitcoins with lowest possible fee and maximum privacy. Multilingual website and dark/white theme will provide you better experience, as well as strength indicator will help you to get maximum possible privacy.
We support all types of bitcoin addresses (except taproot for now). Our referral program will provide you ability to get half of our income from any client you refer (/en/partner]register (https://[banned mixer)).
We are traditional mixer fully built from scratch, we're not using any third-party services for mixing, monitoring, analyzing, etc; our site has zero external requests and not using cloudflare or any other cloud-based solutions.

The main features:
- minimum amount from 0.001 BTC;
- minimum commission from 0.7%;
- up to 5 outgoing addresses;
- up to 3 days mixing delay;
- 24/7 technical support;
- instant mixing (if no delay set);
- multitransactions per output address;
- fully working even without javascript (clean version).

You can find answers to all your additional questions in our FAQ section - https://[banned mixer]/en/pages/faq

TOR: http://[banned mixer]
Clearnet: https://[banned mixer]
OFFICIAL CLEARNET MIRROR: https://[banned mixer]

Make sure you bookmarked our URLs to avoid phishing!

Our signing address: 1YoMixKuHMxwm4JTpjc5kaEesSg9Pk8ZR

Reserved for updates!

Welcome to the forum Yomix,
You should buy a Cooper membership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote) to activate more features for your new account (posting images, etc.)
Also, consider running a signature campaign as most of the mixers are doing to build fame and more reputation in the forum. Good luck!

Both suggestions are highly effective.

@YoMix, an ANN with graphic design will look profession, similar like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416985.0).
The signature campaign with a good budget and longer staying plan will help you to build your brand awareness in the community. I can assist you designing an effective campaign for your business as I am already running a signature campaign for Sinbad bitcoin mixer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.0). Besides, you can check my entire portfolio of bitcointalk promotion from my service page. Feel free to contact for marketing related discussion on my Telegram or via forum PM.

Welcome to the forum. Good to see a new mixer with us.

A small finding and suggestion: The clear version domain redirect to the TOR onion. It's fine when someone using TOR browser but when someone is not using TOR browser then it is going to show error on the page. Maybe it will be better to put some text in the root page and tell the visitors to open the URL with TOR. None-tech-savvy users will not find themselves confused.

Hi there, welcome to Bitcointalk.org.


I tried to check whether you support Taproot address, but see this error after i click "Create order". For reference, i used Tor Browser and chose "Use recommended settings". And those Taproot address[1-2] are test vector from BIP 350[3].

https://i.ibb.co/NnJTx0q/d1.png
https://i.ibb.co/rpH410H/d2.png

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[1] https://mempool.space/address/bc1pw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kt5nd6y (https://mempool.space/address/bc1pw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kw508d6qejxtdg4y5r3zarvary0c5xw7kt5nd6y)
[2] https://mempool.space/address/bc1p0xlxvlhemja6c4dqv22uapctqupfhlxm9h8z3k2e72q4k9hcz7vqzk5jj0 (https://mempool.space/address/bc1p0xlxvlhemja6c4dqv22uapctqupfhlxm9h8z3k2e72q4k9hcz7vqzk5jj0)
[3] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0350.mediawiki#test-vectors-for-v0-v16-native-segregated-witness-addresses (https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0350.mediawiki#test-vectors-for-v0-v16-native-segregated-witness-addresses)

Does YoMix by any chance have any connection with shady exchange Yobit, because they have very similar domain name?
I see that main IP address for YoMix is located in Russia, that is the same location for Yobit exchange, and I saw there are more connections with links used by sberbank

One more interesting thing I saw on their website is that Yomix that you can't be identified that you used mixer if you use clean new address, and that you are safe.
I am not sure how exactly can they say something like this.

https://i.imgur.com/cB1CAtK.jpg
https://archive.is/NMeF5

Obviously, not. As for IP, if you will go a bit deeper, rather than writing something about banks/exchanges/countries, you'll see, that IP behind clearnet domain name is related to antiddos company - ddos-guard.net


Thanks, we'll work on it!

Signature campaign will be launched soon, we're already working on it, but it takes a bit longer to launch due to holidays.
Cheers!

Welcome to the forum YoMix. Site looks clean and simple although this ann thread could use a bit of images to brighten things up.
BTW, there's a typo on the FAQ section. It says "Exploring your identity to anyone may be dangerous.". I think this should be Exposing.
Also, it would be nice if you could also offer free test mixing on your site or even run a review campaign wherein participants would test your site and make honest reviews about it. If you're interested on running those or any promotional campaigns, do let me know, I might be able to help you guys out.

What I like the most about your mixer is the Clean (No-JS) version. It allows me to use it on Tor with Java totally disabled. I've been quite surprised because very few Mixers take the time to do things right. Which goes to show that it's just a matter of taking the time to create those parts with pure CSS and no Java.

More cryptocurrency tumbler sites on this forum are a good addition. However, you might consider obtaining a copper membership if you want to have a fantastic graphic image and marketable content in order to make this ann thread look marketable. In the meantime, is there any chance of supporting the taproot address in the future?

Welcome on board.

How does your mixing mechanism work?

If you get a BTC and then send it from your reserve, what's your budget? Could you sign it?

How to test not using our coins since this service is new?
Zero fee(comission) should be an option at least for a while, just a suggestion.

I think you should also include this part in your FAQ page:

• Quote from: https://[banned mixer
  /en/pages/faq]What address formats do you support?
  Currently we support all possible formats: Legacy, SegWit, P2SH, Native SegWit and Taproot.

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• Quote
  What is the maximum number of coins I can mix?
  You can mix any number of coins, since we do not limit the maximum number. Our system automatically adjusts itself to the necessary volume and guarantees to send back to you the mixed coins within 48 hours (as long as you didn’t specify the delay of more than 48 hours).
  Does the above line mean you're going to heavily rely on users' funds, without having a reserve of some kind?! How you'd be handling the situation if things went south?
  
  
• Quote
  How can I check the Warranty Policy?
  ~Snipped~
  You can also use the following page:
  https://tools.bitcoin.com/verify-message/
  The above link redirects to a list of tools... This is the updated one: https://www.bitcoin.com/tools/verify-message/

Thanks for your replies guys, some fixes have been made.
Testing will be available soon as a separate thread with possibility to do it without service charges.
We have enough our own funds to cover service requirements at current stage. As well we have some investors, but for now we don't need their coins as, obviously, we just started our business and turnovers not so large.

This is a good idea that will enable members to try the mixer without the need for any fees. But it remains incomplete if these members do not publish their reviews with the service.
In previous comments, some members suggested that you launch an evaluation campaign where you choose experienced members to try the mixer and publish their reviews so that you can evaluate the mixer from the user's point of view. This will not cost you much (depending on the number of members you will choose), and this will increase the recognition of the Mixer and gain the trust of the community.
I suggest you use Royse's campaign management services because he is an expert in it and has organized many campaigns before. He will help you to hire everything in a short time and choose the right members. You can contact him via pm : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632

As you can read here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432989.msg61542800#msg61542800), he has been temp-banned from the forum from sending any PMs or posting.
So, @OP should contact them via telegram instead to get a reply back.
Although judging by the OP's attitude, it seems like he would manage the promotional/review campaigns himself or has hired an individual already from their team member(s).
However, if OP decides to use a forum manager and Royse777 is unavailable, I may be of help. Good luck ;)

The choice of the name YoMix is really not good. I recommend you think about changing the name. YoMix is really very reminiscent of YoBit and that's really very off-putting. When I discovered this thread, I immediately thought of YoBit. I can well imagine that it can put users off using your service just because of the name. Please don't get me wrong. This is just well-intentioned advice. I wish you many success.  :)

It's important to see that the company is willing willing to take and effect suggestions given by proprospective customers and those testing the site and mixing to make it better like your doing. I could see that some of the recommendations from experienced users on the forum have been effected like the copper membership and the launch of a campaign for a wider publicity with Julerz12 at the head of its management.

Although, the Ann thread comes without any design yet which makes it look less professional and I hope to belive that's being worked on yet. With the increase in mixers on the forum as it is, standing out in every way is a no option but obligatory.

The icon for sure is nice and symbolic, even the colour patterns as well as features offered. Cleaning of the logs is something I feel would bring some co.fort to customers and its nice to have that innovated and spelt out as well.
From the activeness in response from the team, I can only expect quality service and am guessing that won't be lacking. Good luck!

So, it is not a free mixing service. Right?

Also, what are the minimum & maximum value that you can mix at one go?

Minimum 0.001 BTC + additional 0.00001126 BTC for each output address. In total, for one output address it is 0.00101126 BTC, there are no restrictions on the number of mixed bitcoins, you can get acquainted with this simply by reading the expanded version of the FAQ https://[banned mixer]/en/pages/faq   the mixing fee ranges from 0.7% to 5%

Of course mixing services aren't free. Aside from the fees you'll be charged by miners on transferring coins to be mixed, [banned mixer] gets to charge either a 0.7% to 5% of that other.

How is this percentage determined if I may.
Is it subject to the volume sent and the congestion of the network respectively or both. Because, after checking on what is stated in the quote for minimum a visit to the FAQ link above, it seems to vary with what Daltonik have stated previously in that quote. It reads 0.001btc minimum and 0.00003234btc per output address, bringing the total to a 0.00103234btc.

If it is a yes on variation, are the values going to be pre-stated because, that could actually remind the user of the service on what is obtainable at any moment in trying to use the service.

Also, congrats on relaunch. Despite the little set back by the hoody guys with keyboards, the project is back with its relaunch and the Ann thread looks a lot more official now. Nice one on taking suggestions.

Minimal amount is 0.001 for 1 output address, 0.002 for 2 and so on.
Service fee and mining fees are separate thing and have nothing to deal with minimal amount :)

P.S. mining fees per output address is a dynamic value depends on network load.

The Yo!Mix site looks very neat and navigable on first glance and what caught my eye the most is the zero tolerance for logs and all logs being deleted after expiration of the order.
It also shows privacy consciousness that any user willing to partner with Yo!Mix only has to provide a bitcoin address and a password, with no intrusive request for an email address or phone number.

Looking forward to testing becoming available, so the community can chime in and work around detecting any bugs or issues.

That is correct. Transaction fees depend on the network load and also the outputs and inputs involved as well as the type of address creating the transaction.

- Jay -

I don't use yet but I will do it asap when I got the salary.

I have the question?

1. Can I use YoMix with VPN on clearnet browser?.
2. what is Mixing code?, Can I mix without use the code?

https://i.postimg.cc/T2DLLQMv/mixx.png (https://postimages.org/)

3. I've used mixer, I usually did on chipmixer, I don't know how possible if Yomix any feature we can use for free without a fee like chipmixer?

4. is transfer delay will affect our anonymity? the longer the delay, the more anonym we can get?.

I have a question, it's been so long since I've used a mixer. I've used mixers that don't have settings about "random amount of transactions" having a toggle on/off button on it.
I'm just curious to know since if you're going to pay for 5% fee and then it's off the booster isn't completely full or close to it. Whilst, if you toggle on for the RAT and even if you pay 1.7% of service fee, the booster is way up and much higher if you pay 5% fee which goes full. Why's that and what does RAT means? I hope that you consider this as a valid question.

There's no mixing services that are free, and you must consider the fees before doing your transactions.
With YoMix, they offer a cheaper fees for their services but the mining fees will always depend on the traffic of the network you are going to use.
Be mindful with the minimum though so your transactions will  proceed, as per latest 0.001 BTC is the minimum and if you experience some problem better to communicate right away with their support to address your concern.

1. Can't see why not.
2. Explained in FAQs:
3. Mixing comes at a cost. There must be some fees, otherwise the business is not viable. If you ever see a mixing service that it's 100% free - steer clear, they're probably will take your coins or are some sort of honey pot. Maybe with exception of some promotional periods etc.
4. Yes. The greater the delay, the greater the layer of privacy. It'd probably be worth it to put that in FAQs as well.

For me it works well both on VPN and non-vpn mode.

Click on the "?" and you will know by yourself about it.
https://i.imgur.com/rw3gjAo.jpg

You should be able to mix without code but its better if you use the code. Better anonymity.

Am still having difficulty in understanding how this is an advantage.
I mean, people seek for faster transaction timing and that would be the reason behind setting a delay time to be minimal and almost instant. Perhaps the privilege comes with a higher fee as it is synonymous with bitcoin transactions in accordance with the workload on the network.

Anonymity of address is one of the main reasons why mixing services are highly sort out for and as such, why would I pay more for a faster transaction with less layer of privacy compared to delayed transactions.

Is there anything like layers of privacy?

It's actually simple. Imagine you want to mix say 7.2344 bitcoin. When you do that instantly, the same (or very similar) amount will appear in your other address. So even though there's no direct link between those 2 addresses, anyone analysing blockchain transactions in that period could assume that there could be a connection between the address that just sent out 7.2344 btc and the address that received the same amount a moment later.
So although they won't have any solid proof of that 2 addresses being linked, it would be hard to believe that those 2 transactions with the same, unusual amount are just a coincidence.

The more time passes, the harder it will be to make such connection. And, in this case, it'd be even better to split it between multiple receiving addresses.

So I wouldn't necessarily bother with setting any time delays for commonly occurring amounts such as 0.001 or 0.01 etc. but it's probably useful for any larger or less-common quantities.

I used changed DNS before, and worked well. And try downloading opera after just to try using VPN and worked well also.

Yomix max 3 days for delay transfer which I think is good for privacy, but how affect it with Service fee?. because when I try to maximum service fee mixing level increase to max, I don't know what is the connection between Transfer delay and service fee, if very crucial what is the better setting?. is we have to max?, like delay for 3 days and fee for 5%?

To be honest, I'm not quite sure how the service fee affects the mixing level. If you click "boost" to get the mixing level to the max, changing the fee on the slide bar doesn't seem to have any effect at all. Whereas changing it on the default starting Mixer page increases/decreases the level of mixing.

I've submitted a contact form on the FAQ page asking YoMix to add an explanation regarding service fees in case this thread is not actively monitored.

Yeah, this makes sense. At first you got me confused and mixed up on how does the dots connect in a service that is supposed to make that whole process go away but, being an assumption thing, it goes. Although, you could still generate a fresh receiving address to add to your difficulty and elevl of privacy in this theory but still, it doesn't point to anything with just assumptions to go.

By fees and mixing level I suppose that relates directly with the level of delays. The mixing occurs quite the same and the difference to it remains in the delivery times as per delays. Its just a prioritising of transaction thing based on pre-set delays with the fees to apply.

I am not yet using the YoMix but it seems we have some added features in comparison with other available mixers out there. I usually go and use the coins as it is but it seem these days mixers are getting damn crazy popularity. I think I am now understanding the importance of mixing and getting new coins minted for myself. The extra layer of security with the code is good feature and honestly I have not seen it on other platforms. Or may be I am not into the mixing game with full attention. Anyways, if I am gonna use any mixer then it would be YoMix as it's my first actual use case besides just reading the articles about the mixers and how they really work technically. Will surely drop a review about it.

Coins you get after mixing are not newly minted but outputs from transactions not linked to you. To get never before used coins you will need to mine them yourself or buy from a miner.

With Yo!Mix you get coins that can never be linked back to your original address, this is the reason you get a mixing code^[1] when mixing, so as not to receive your original funds back in subsequent transactions.

[1] https://[banned mixer]/en/pages/faq

- Jay -

Ofcourse,you are right my mate,that the rate at which yo!mix is gaining popularity is alarming,and with such popularity, one can bet that in due time,most people will be using it.The mixers are putting their hands to deck to ensure the product at their hand gain more recognition and more acceptance despite the fact that there are other mixers out there who are also looking for a way to getting the attention of people.Anywhere anyday,if I am to engage in the mixing game as well, ofcourse the yo!mix is my most prefered one.

It would also probably be worth using different amounts of transfer delay to confuse blockchain scanners/analysis, or bad-actors that have been following your Bitcoin activity. Plus using a randomized amount of onchain transaction fees might probably help too, especially if you're using Electrum or other SPV wallets. We can't truly be sure if the node we have connected to is trustworthy.

I have gone through the yomix website to be frank, it is a touch of excellence. The UI is unique no wonder the Services rendered by yomix is second to none. I saw a feature which I believe most of the other mixers have not which is  a good edge over other mixer  service and it is  no other than the restore order.

https://i.ibb.co/nLjvtjq/Screenshot-20230116-132551-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/nLjvtjq)
This particular feature on the yomix services would give potential customers and already registered mixers confidence to want to use her services so that when any issues arises, they can be able to restore their order which is a good services point for yomix. This would further build the reliability and credibility of the yomix project.
 Nevertheless, I  also came across a particular place where it is written about minimum amount to mix but there was no amount in value of bitcoin that was written there and if I may ask, does yomix have a minimum amount for mixing? If yes can you please tell so we can know.?

Recently, I participated in Mixero review campaign, I received bitcoins on my own address and then deposited them on my Binance account, only to discover that the balance was frozen and I was unable to use it until after 24 hours. Binance support did not provide a clear explanation.
Less than a week later, I deposited $80 from the same address that I received bitcoins from Mixero, then i was surprised to find that my account was completely frozen and that I had to contact support. The support team said that they suspected some activity on the account and that the verification process will take a month.
I believe that Binance succeeded in tracing the chain of transfers and recognized that its source is the mixer. I don't know what technology Binance uses to do this.
Is it possible for the same thing to happen to Mixing balance from YoMix? Can these transactions be tracked?

They have a number of blockchain transaction tracing tools at their disposal, so it's likely that they were able to trace the transactions. The other mistake you did was to reuse the address. If you are privacy conscious, once you reuse an address, the privacy level drops, and you made the job so easy for them.

IMO, I think mixing coins should go hand in hand with using a good noncustodial p2p service. Unfortunately, one of my most use p2p service, localcryptos is shutdown their business. I don't see the point of mixing coins then sending them to a centralized exchange.

I receive my weekly payment from the signature campaign on the same address, and then I transfer it to my account on Binance. I may also use the same address when I am not at my desk to generate a new address from my wallet.
It also happens that I buy crypto from a local seller who uses one address that is sent to me directly to one of my accounts on the trading platforms.

I know there is no point in sending Mixing amount to a centralized platform since they can track the transfers. But as I mentioned earlier, I do not need to use the mixer, but this was on the occasion of my participation in a paid review campaign.

The only mixing service that would not come under the radar of centralized exchanges are those that do not really muddy the trail of  the transactions making it easy for them to track the source and store up that data for future reference. The attack on privacy exists and involves all mixing or coinjoining services.

Avoiding centralized exchanges would make transacting from mixers easier and without hitches.

- Jay -

I now understand

This make me miss localcryptos a lot. They would automatically generate a new deposit address for you once a transaction is detected in the old one. I think even localbitcoins had such a feature before they decided to go full KYC.

[banned mixer] is a mixer that slowly carve its name in the mixing industry if you compared it to other mixing platforms its newbie friendly, newbies who have no prior experience in mixing will find the tutorial and how it works easy to understand, and they will give the top mixing in the industry a run for their money, they just have to build up their reputation and integrity and continue marketing their platform, I'm sure in a few months of branding [banned mixer] will be associated to the word easy to understand mixing platform.

Its good to have another good mixer after so many issues with the other mixers, I'm trying to navigate the site now and so far its mobile friendly.
Didn't try yet to mix but I'm planning to, once I already have the minimum amount to transact plus the fees. Proper marketing can take a good project into its good up trend, and with the current strategy of YoMix, I believe they are slowly making their name in crypto market especially as one of the good mixer today.

Today I discovered that my account is active again, and I was able to transfer the amount without any problems, and I promised myself that I would completely abandon the use of Binance.
I contacted support again to inquire about the reasons for the ban and what the specialists in Binance discovered, especially since my account was back active without being notified via an email or even in the notifications section on my account, and this was the answer that increased my insistence on leaving Binance forever:

People are yet to know so many things about You!Mix.IO,with the way it's going,this mix will out perform so many in the market and be one of the best.The way the advert is spreading so fast will make people whom have not heard about it or people who haven't used it want to use it.If I am to use a mix,this probably will be the one I will use because it's just one of the best I have seen.

After I receive payment, I want to try how [banned mixer] work.

A. on this occasion, I am curious to use TOR: http://[banned mixer]/

https://iili.io/HcsV5MJ.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/HcsV5MJ)

B. I want try with low level with only 1 hour+ delay and 0.7% fee  :)

https://iili.io/HcswLjS.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/HcswLjS)

C. Before continuing, I want to make sure how much I get and have to calculate under calculator tool below

https://iili.io/Hcsw4af.png (https://freeimage.host/)

D. I just made the order, then i have to download Letter of quaranted - (THIS LETTER FROM [banned mixer] SIGNED BY 1YoMixKuHMxwm4JTpjc5kaEesSg9Pk8ZR)

https://iili.io/Hcswsu2.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/Hcswsu2)

E. I just sent from my electrum wallet to address ([banned mixer]) have generated.

https://iili.io/HcswPyl.md.png (https://freeimage.host/i/HcswPyl)

I have done it, So far I don't have a problem and everything is going smoothly. Maybe my internet is a bit slow, because TOR is very slow and buffering when opening page by page yomix,io.
 
 and, Maybe next time I have use another delay and fee.

What slow and buffering are you talking about, mate?

I used what is considered to be a slow connection in the present day [I had no choice since my regular Wi-Fi connection was acting up] while streaming a football match at the same time and I didn't face any problems while trying to load the site via too via tor browser

The loading speed seemed normal

Here is proof about my alternative Internet connection speed

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZWW2H.png

My TOR when the opening site is bit slow, it's different when I use yomix on clearnet browser. but so far all going smoothly. 1 hour after mixering, I received mixed btc same as calculate from the legacy address.

So what kind of mixing yomix method use?, Are they use coinjoin or whirlpool?.

Of course using .onion link (on Tor Browser) is slower than accessing regular website on regular browser. After all Tor use at 3 hop to access any website and optional additional 3 hop when you access .onion link.


Probably their own mixing method/algorithm. And FYI, whirlpool is a type of CoinJoin.

What's everyone's opinion in utilizing the Lightning Network for mixers, in both inputs and outputs? Because Lightning transactions are not broadcasted to the public, it could add another layer of privacy. It's probably also beneficial for all mixing/tumbling services to cooperate, and route through each other before routing out to another Lightning node with many routing channels. It might also perhaps "clean" the users' minds from the psychological effect of "taint".

The result you have while trying your own Yo!mix IO might not be exactly the same with the other person's own,it might sometimes be different after trying it.I have not tried it,but when I will try it,it's not a must that the result or how mine work will be exactly the same with your own.There will Be a difference between between the two,because we didn't stay in thesame environment while mixing.So there is no need to panic,it's all thesame.

thanks, I felt that also on another mixer. maybe TOR hasn't implemented yet bandwidth scanners to maintain the relay.

Thanks I just that, because Wasabi and samourai is different developer, i guess that used different type of mixer.

Maybe isn't yomix implemented yet, because that very is complicated and must be an open channel, and not many people used Lightning Network that makes loss lot of money I think.

While some Tor relay/circuit is faster than other, Tor design which use multiple hop prevent significant latency decrease. YoMix could configure their .onion link to use less hop, but it'd hurt their privacy.


Yeah, both Wasabi and Samourai using different type/implementation of CoinJoin.

I could understand why centralised exchanges would want to keep tracks on transactions and label a certain number of it from certain addresses to be suspicious but, isn't this supposed to be obliterated by mixing services as well?
By that I mean, not having to reuse an address increases privacy level, having both ends to do this is good enough to obliterate historical data to address linking. Hence,
Is the result of transactions from @Coupable in anyway implies that, return address stays same to enable tracking?

Apparently, it always feels like the best thing to do. Rather than work a service between organisations, staying in the middle to break the line or chain gives a better chance of avoiding complications.

by the way, I got an error after trying to mix to Taproot address, (address begins with - bc1p)

https://i.postimg.cc/YCPMf748/11mix.png

So, when is the taproot address accepted?. Because when I look at explorer, there have been many transactions using the taproot address. Before too late, yomix must be one to implement it.

So, It's not different when using VPN if they reduced or configured the relay to be 2 or 1 from 3. But, because we use a mixer, are privacy browsers like tor or VPN still important?. Why we should use that if the bitcoin address has been scrambled

Looks like they haven't add Taproot address support yet. I also report same thing about 3 weeks ago.


I'm confused with your question since you mix multiple terms that doesn't go together.
1. When i talk about total hop, it's only applied when you use Tor.
2. Using VPN or Tor is still important if you don't want your ISP know you access mixer website. But take note you have to trust the VPN provider not to collect and sell your personal/browsing data.

Excellent question. This presents some of the biggest dilemmas that mixing platforms are supposed to face.
Honestly, I don't know if this is possible with all platforms. But I remember that I used a well-known platform in the past, and this was many times, and this did not happen to me. The mixer that I used works in the chips way, where the user obtains a key or secret keys for two addresses containing the amount he wanted to mix, and withdraws them manually.

This is why they have to increase their marketing exposure but considering the technology that they have right now, most probably they can get a lot of people to try its platform for their mixing needs. I honestly, haven’t tried this yet as I’m still waiting for my funds but I’ll surely try this one and while waiting, learning how to navigate this platform should be your first move. Seeing some of the comments here, some are successfully mixed their crypto.

I was just curious if I use mixing code the site knows we are the previous mixer. but on another side, the mixing code is important to avoid getting your own coins from previous mixings. So what is your thought for the best, use mixing code or not?, because this is the 3rd time I try used this mixer, and so far is going smoothly, and still don't have a problem with that. I just want to create the perfect mix of privacy.

So, why the type Send of the following address is always different?,
in 1st mix I send to native segwit with bc1
in the 2nd mix I send to nested segwit with 3
when I do for 3rd mix I have to send to legacy address begin with 1

Obviously using the code would be the best choice, since it would prevent your last coins from being linked to you through other transactions. I mean, the feature is there for a reason, would be weird if it didn't solve any problem at all. I'd use them since it is not that difficult to keep track of the codes.

I believe it is just to improve the mixing process. In the end, you can choose whether you can use segwit to send your transaction or not if fees are your concern. Other than that I see no real reason to prefer one type of address over another as long as my privacy is still safe. CMIIW.

Better to go with the wallet transfer to the mixer and then after receiving the newly minted coins, again back to the wallet. Anyways it will create new wallet as well thus making it sure we are not exposing our privacy that way.

However, lets say we are using YoMixer, then it is evident that with coinjoining protocol large number of people will be doing this mixing and thus sharing lets say 0.50 btc. However, it is highly impossible to understand who got which satoshi / btc in the process thus making it more anonymous and it serves the purpose properly.

In case of centralised, the system is bit flawed and runs with higher fees too. This is just personal experience though.

I believe that powerful centralized platforms have tools to track deposit transfers. According to my experience, Binance was able to track the transfer, although I did not transfer directly from the mixer to the platform, but rather that all transfers were made from my own wallet. The means of tracking on the blockchain have evolved to the point where it is really difficult to hide completely. Yomix Mixer should take into consideration these details.
I mentioned my experience with Binance after using one of the Mixer platforms (not Yomix) and I don't know if they will be able to track the transfers from any Mixer.

Centralized exchange have the required tools to track transfer done on it either for good or bad, but with disclosed entity. Binance is the largest crypto exchange that stores coins and having one of the top trading volumes of crypto currency. Although it was hacked last year and the CEO of Binance, Changpeng Zhao reinforce his team to encrypt and decrypt data of users of the exchange. The exchange security is improving on a daily basis and reducing the scams to its minimal rate but it can not be eradicated totally.

Definitely when we go for the new mixer services and when we are fighting about centralised and decentralised Mixers, we can always check the FAQ or detailed privacy policy from the mixers to understand what kind of data they are able to track and what are they deleting when we use their services.

Honestly, you have to have two way trust when surfing the internet. If you just visit the FAQ section of YoMix! then you can check out following question which lets you know that they do not store any data, and delete everything.


https://i.ibb.co/RjyvFkL/yomixer1.png

To add on to our safety and privacy one can always follow some logical steps. For example, using entirely new address to get our coins. This is also mentioned on their FAQ, and it is users duty to pre-check those for better privacy.

https://i.ibb.co/7bWHDH8/yomixer2.png

I have found most of the answers that we were discussing on their details FAQ pages. /en/pages/faq]Check it out here! (https://[banned mixer)

Does this mean you mix some coins, transfer them back to your wallet, and then send some coins to Binance? They might flag them since your previous transactions are related to conjoin transactions. I recall reading something like this in the past, saying that Binance will check your previous 5 related transactions to see if they are "suspicious". So, as long as you use a new address from mixing your coins, the chance that they would detect your mixed coins would be smaller, albeit not impossible since everything is on the blockchain. It is also a good practice to never send back your mixed coins to your own wallet, and just use the new address/wallet entirely. CMIIW. Pretty sure any decent mixer would consider this when they built their platform.

If the worst comes to worst, using DEX would be a good idea to swap your BTC after doing some mixing. Or just drop centralized exchange entirely if you don't want to deal with their false flag regardless if you use a mixer or not. Improving your privacy practice would be a good idea too.

They can definitely collect any data related to mixers by doing something like using the mixer on their own to collect some addresses and so on. That being said, I don't see them being hacked or whatnot related to their ability to track/link coinjoin/mixer-related transactions.

I use several time yomix mixing service and always got warning like picture below on blockchair explorer.

https://iili.io/H14WsRe.png (https://freeimage.host/)

So if you are here and ever used it, please check it also, maybe this bug or something repairable gap can repair and improvement how to make it healthy.

When I look in blockchair FAQ, Moderate is the middle privacy range, maybe it can still be tolerable if they care it.


https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/privacy-o-meter

, so what you are though?

Their privacy score is for other purposes and has nothing to deal with mixers which work in traditional way (receive your coins and send you other client coins). So, just don't care about it.

Sure, I don't care about it, I wasted time tracking my mixed coin some time ago. I spend my day, but I don't find transactions linked back to my address. In my guess, only the mixer provider knows where the transaction going and who the recipient is. Are you know it?.

if you ever use chipmixer, you will know how they work to give the private key.  Is it possible if not required to add the received address?, we sent the coin, after that you give us the private key.

It's ranges from very difficult to impossible to track an identity before, through, and after the mixer, but seeing if a transaction merely came from or through a mixer isn't all that difficult. That's why Binance probably detected that you used a mixer, yet I'd doubt they have the capabilities to tell where the money came from before it was sent through the mixer.  It depends also on the obfuscation tactics used by the mixer. They are not all the same! Yomix has low fees and that's great, but my gut tells me, and I hope this is wrong, but could this be an instance of "you get the level of security you pay for?" Would I be better off using a higher-fee mixer that perhaps tumbles to the excess and uses a wider range of time delays. Not as fast, more expensive, I guess all just different products to choose from.

Low fee is just for marketing purposes for now, it may increase in the near future. We have a lot of obfuscation inside about what i'll not going to tell here because of privacy purposes.

Whatever the cost if you are satisfied, you will back to using it.

I know the mixer competition is very tight in the middle of a policy of the country, many people don't want everybody to know if they own bitcoins. So, Whatever the cost, high, low, or even free if they trust, they will back to use it again or maybe, if Yomix is very recommended (was mixed with a lot of BTC), they will call their friend to use it too.

Mixer is good for long-time business if you can keep the faith.

I think with the way Yomix is gaining recognition internationally and globally,very soon,so many people will start making it their priority despite having other mixers available.Yomix existence will give room to so many petronage.We are begining to see how important the Yomix mixer is now in the market after usage.
When products like this are first brought into the global market,people love having a test of something before giving it a proper approval and petronage.Yomix is what we have chosen as our mixer,and we'll continue to make it gain popularity and recognition.

I hope Yomix will continue branding its platform it's very important in a very competitive market, there are already mixers that's been existing for many years, but that doesn't mean that Yomix cannot have a share of the market, they are now gaining recognition here in Bitcointalk if they continue what they are doing when they starting out they can reach their goal.
In the future mixers will play a major role in how we transact online.

That would definitely help me sleep better knowing we are getting the highest level of obfuscation and the history of the inputs cannot be tracked. I do not mind higher fees, if it is still within a reasonable range and proportionate to the level of service.

Mixers already play a major role in how we transact through crypto and would only get more popular and significant in online transactions.

- Jay -

I just knew that site have a dark mode, I don't know the button was there before, or they were an improvement this week?,
and so far so good and cozy to my eyes.

So, I have a question about /en/partner/dashboard]Partner (https://[banned mixer), how is it calculated?, is based click or mixing amount?.

and, at the end of referral link is unique too, for example: https://[banned mixer]/_/stefan-marquardt , maybe we can make extra money if permitted to wear in signature.

We share 50% of our income if mixing order created with using your referral link.
We can't pay for clicks, because we don't have any logs to prevent cheating by clicking multiple times (we can't implement limit by IP, for example).
Dark mode is available from the beginning, for last weeks we've improved only backend to increase mixing speed and prevent dust attacks.

A unique identifier should make you anonymous too. It would be a bad thing if somebody links your address from your shortened link and identify your forum/personal name, or whatever personal data you used for your short link. A random string is better IMO. Sure you will share it on the forum/internet anyway but there is still an additional layer of privacy if you use a randomized string instead of a username/something similar.

Just a quick feature request, it would be neat to be able to click on the boost gauge to set the fee, rather than setting the service fee to see where the boost gauge turns out. Also, a lot of people won't immediately understand what the boost gauge does, and so a question mark with an explainer would help "sell" the feature to others, generating more profit for Yomix. I'd suspect a lot of people set a low service fee, and since this is really where Yomix makes money, more could definitely be done to "sell" this feature.

It means, if I used my own referral link such as my own address (in registered) to a mixer, I can't get the commission, right?
So how do you know if someone cheats it by sending it to another address first before mixing it?

Right now I try used short links for just to easy remembered it, I guess it does not show up my privacy if I shared it to my Instagram and Twitter

I am very pleased with the way You!mix  have moved to another height because despite the fact that there is severe competition in the market,Yo!mix is still paving way to be very outstanding.I am already a witness to the role that the mixer have played in how crypto transactions are made and done,and we also believe that in future,the mixer will will be very crucial in the role they will play in online transactions.
As long as this mixer is still within a reachable range,and within an affordable price,it will be purchased allover.

Its understandable you have to start on something that will attract mixer users when you are starting out in this business, and you did the right thing by offering lower fees and launching a marketing campaign, I'm sure your users will understand but it's much better if it's slightly lower than those fully established mixer.
But as long as you keep your reputation clean and very active here you can build loyal users, it's a long way but since you started right you just need to keep up.

@Yomix, DDOS-guard doesn't relay the entire website, right? Otherwise, that could open the site up to an MITM attack, that's why mixers don't use Cloudflare or similar protection. I'm not too familiar with DDOS-guard specifically, though, so the answer I'm hoping is that they only "vet" traffic as it first enters but then can't see or track any of the mixing that takes place on the site.

I want to put it out there that I don't want to be critical in a bad way, and I know I've given feedback a few times that is a bit constructive. I believe any honest attempt at a new mixer is good for the space, and I used Yomix once already with satisfactory results. I just worry that a lot of the feedback in here is people who are sort of just shilling the site and only saying positive things to keep up with the signature campaign. I think the Yomix founders would agree that honest feedback, delivered in a non-critical way, is what they need from all of us.

I know what you mean, In fact, is true, users all over the world will choose the mixer with lower fees and trust. It's the same as the exchange with the lowest fee is more interesting to be chosen when compared to the old trusted exchange, but has the highest fee. However, maybe a bit different when compared with a mixer, because there aren't many people around the world doesn't care about the privacy, they are reluctant to use mixer even is very important to hide his wealth.

For privacy purposes we always recommend to use TOR, clearnet can't be considered as safe w/ or w/o using ddos-guard/etc. As our site under DDOS 24/7 for last month for some reason (usually, if ddos fails it stops) we've been forced to use some protection like ddos-guard from the beginning.
We're already preparing our own L7 antiddos as ddos-guard is not so good in protecting our service (up to 60% of bad requests are still reaching origin), i think we'll need about a month or less to stop using it. But even w/o ddos-guard we'll strongly recommend to use TOR.
Thanks for your feedback!

That'd be quite revolutionary to have a clearnet mixer that has its own DDOS protection and does not need to rely on DDOS-guard or Cloudflare. Probably no easy task at all, but if you all can get that accomplished, that will really stand out.

If it's very recommended, better to put that link on our signature also like other companies. ( I just saw that onion link on full member signature only).

I ever use TOR, and maybe if the user wants to use that onion link, better to have high bandwidth internet because when I tried in past, it was so slow if only have a 1-3 Mbps hotspot from the phone.

Just asking question out of the blues, why we need privacy based browsers when we use mixing services or it is just an optional way to add more privacy to our transactions?

I am just trying to understand the principle behind the same because if I know one thing, if I am using lets say YoMix for minting entirely new coins from my old one's then I am trying to rely on the service for my privacy only. The question is why would I need TOR like browser to use such service if they are already providing what I am seeking.

It could be dumb question for which I would be happy to get answered, considering my curiosity for the same. :)


If using TOR really makes any difference then definitely we should have it either published on the YoMix site as well as have the corner of Signature code updated displaying TOR or relevant browser name for additional security or whatever purpose it may solve.

Aside from increased privacy, it's definitely safer to use the Tor site in the sense that you're more protected from hackers/scammers. Clearnet sites are hacked easier, or it's possible you have a malicious extension on your browser that changes addresses when you copy and paste them. That's very unlikely to happen on Tor.

I was the same question with you on the past, and I find the answer is, yes, we mixing the bitcoin address, but we don't mixing the IP address right?, because on that fact we must use TOR browser for more anonym, mixing the bitcoin address and also mixing the IP with 3 relay IP address. People can't find our bitcoin address transaction, but it would easy find our IP address if use clearnet browser like chrome or firefox.

In general, IMO it is a good thing to add a layer of privacy regardless if you're trying to mix or not. If your ISP provider tracks you and logs the websites you visited, it can be a nightmare if those data got leaked and abused by other parties, or even your ISP in general. Such as blocking your access to some websites, an increase in scam e-mails, profiling, etc. On the other side, you can also argue that hiding your real IP address, in general, allows you to keep being trustless in the sense that you don't need to rely on the hope that Yomix or other mixers don't abuse your IP data or something similar. It is a win-win solution.

Nice suggestion. That being said, most users who use service like a mixer is usually well aware of how important privacy for their activity is. So using ToR is usually a requirement for them.

Damn, I did not know that ISP provider can do that. I thought we usually have the confidential agreements while procuring the internet connections. Lolz. I might be having some corporate mix ups here but ISP's should not be doing that.

Imagine on one fine day I am mixing my coins and suddenly my ISP sees the usual activity. Does it mean that they can interfere with the whole process? Like capture my web activity and control it in the middle of process and take the charge? I might sound noob in this regards, because I am not tech guy here and with the increasing internet features, it all takes a phishing attack to lose it all. That's why more concerned about it.

Now that makes me think, why TOR could be safer layer if such activities are open. Before this post I thought, it was only thing of public WiFi, but it seems we are not safe anywhere now.

I've been trying to load yomix but it's not working. "Onionsite Not Found - The most likely cause is that the onionsite is offline." I'm quite new to this stuff so I'd like to ask what could cause this type of things? thx

Yes we're experiencing huge DDOS attack (even DNS got attacked). TOR mirror is working now (may be a bit slow and down sometimes), clearnet is on the way. It doesn't affect mixing in any way, so, even if site is down, all mixing orders will be completed in time and coins will be send. For now, please use only TOR mirror until further updates.
Stay tuned.

Update:
[banned mixer] is working, can be down sometimes, we're working on it, please use TOR instead.

Update2:
Both clearnet and onion work well atm.

The TOR site is properly online for me at the moment, so seems fixed.

It seems to have been a coordinated DDoS attack on some services, perhaps Bitcoin mixers. There was a similar case reported on another thread just a day before your complaint here.

The Good news is that both clearnet and onion site are now work, though DDoS guard was triggered on my computer even when I was not using any VPN service. On mobile, no DDoS guard was triggered.

Good to see YoMix has DDoS protection enabled. Everytime I enter to the site it's doing it's job so we all know we are protected.

So it's understandable that site gonna have downtime now and then considering our safety and more important our funds!

By the I am still wondering why would I want to Delay my order and how does it affect the mixing process? I got the hint about Service fees, the more it is the more stricter mixing would be.

However, what does Time Delay contribute into this? Does increasing the time would get me far more mixed / fresh coins and is it vice versa if I just want my order quickly executed. What is coding strategy behind this one!

https://i.ibb.co/2sF9vFx/yomix.png

FYI: The UI is very easy and friendly. Specially for the people who wants to use mixers all the time. It's quick, and very handy. :)

Businesses like Mixing should be ready for this, DDOS can happen, because there is money on it they will do denial of service for many reasons I'm sure [banned mixer] started to build its reputation in this industry and will spend to combat this DDOS, there will be more of this in the future until they found it futile to do DDOS against [banned mixer]

This is very important because mixing is something not all people are aware of and they need something that will clearly explain its benefits when doing transactions.

The longer the time delay, the harder it is for a blockchain analyst to trace your mixing, so yes, you do get "more mixed" with a longer time delay. For best practices, you should vary your time delay between all transactions to something long but relatively random. If you want it quickly executed, you should stick to some sort of whole-number, like .10BTC or .5 BTC. If you mix something random and specific on a short time delay, like .3821851 BTC on a 30 minute delay, that would be pretty easy to track through the mixing process. Something like .3BTC on a 30 minute delay would be much harder since there are dozens of people sending .3BTC in any given hour, but only one sending your very specific amount of .3821851 BTC.

Onion sites are those that offers some layer of securities between browsers, services providers and the user. With these programming comes some authentications to be met. Services you can find on Tor browsers as it ensures privacy, thereby makinh it more difficult to trace. This accounts to why its not always very swift to access while using Onion sites. Perhaps it's a proxy issue but, one that is most likely not to take a lot of time as the service is uo and running.

Yeah, I noticed that minutes ago in the site accessing the authenticity of my browser to access the service, powered by DDoS Gaurd

Yes, the website is going smoothly and works perfectly.

I tried it an hour ago and my mixed bitcoin was received as scheduled.


https://iili.io/HWagpJS.md.png

I tried with the clear net site https://[banned mixer], and use Chrome.

I used [banned mixer] several times, maybe 5 or more times, and never got a mixing problem so far. I hope they continue to make us more comfortable.

Is there another DNS attack on the clearnet recently? I tried to access the website but it shows DNS not found/DNS error. Tried it several times, sometimes it succeed and sometimes it doesn't. I'm pretty sure it is not my internet problem since I use DNS encryption and VPN that doesn't block the Yomix clearnet address.

The site sees to be online for most places right now, but currently down in Netherlands and Pakistan. Check it here: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/[banned mixer]

https://i.ibb.co/tmWMR9q/DNS-Propagation-Checker-Global-DNS-Testing-Tool.png (https://ibb.co/xCRSZN1)

Okay so the longer is time, the more they will keep mixing it with another coins until a fresh batch is produced. This seems reasonable when the amount is big and you are not in hurry to get your coins. The longest I can see is 2 days which can easily help bigger amount.

Thanks for the fraction amount and whole amount strategy. But I think it can be more secure with different batches. Let us say I have 0.5 btc to transfer then it would be far more secure if I mix them in batches. For example, 0.1 btc x 5 different mixes or some random whole amounts. That can also add up more anonymous nature to the transactions that I will receive. Cool to know. :)

This is a cool tool to monitor locations what countries are offline before they use their service, there is no perfect server I checked some of the top mixers and they also have servers that are offline, but this is something that the platform is working 1 or 2 is still ok but not on top countries where they have more users, it will have an impact on their business.

If your VPN allows it, you might be able to swap on over to a country where the site is working, if it's out in other locations. It's probably pretty rare though that the site will be out in your country but up in others. Usually, if the site is down for you, it's down everywhere. Not always, as evident from my photo above, but still usually.

Nope, we just moved clearnet domain to another provider, because previous one couldn't handle ddos, now everything works fine.

Thanks for the info. Is the site reliable? I'm more familiar with other 'is it down for everyone or just me' tools, but it is nice to know another one. What's the chance the down part is just the DNS provider blocking access to a specific domain btw?

If you have access to Tor it is probably better to try using ToR. And don't bother using a free VPN since most of the time they will collect your data regardless of what their privacy policy told you.

Good to know that. Hopefully, it will be able to handle another attack without any problem.

Chipmixer was just seized, both the clearnet and TOR site. I can't find anything about it right now, like news articles or anything, so I don't have any more information. It seems like it just happened in the past few hours. Definitely something to monitor and cautiously see if there are any opportunities for taking on more users. Perhaps lower fees for the time being as an incentive?

That's sad.
Our fees are pretty low, but we'll think about lowering it a bit more for some time.

YoMix, how do you feel about what happened to Chipmixer with the FBI seizing their website and putting out an international arrest warrant for the owner? Personally I think it is inevitable that all mixers will have their domains seized and the owners will end up arrested or on the run while an international arrest warrant is on their names. Do you worry about being next investigated and possibly charged with money laundering and other crimes?

That's quite sad story.

Chipmixer is a big mixing platform and attracts lots of attention, but this is not the first time that a mixer has been seized before and should not call for panic across other mixing platforms. With how much the government wants control, any privacy website is at risk of having a heavy hammer come down on them, but we hope it does not happen.

It is a good thing there are alternatives like YoMix now, while we hope for some positive news related to CM.

- Jay -

It's not inevitable. Maybe you are just overreacting or being overly excited that Chipmixer got seized, which I understand is normal.

How many Bitcoin mixers have been seized by Authorities, for example?
I only know two. Bestmixer.io and Chipmixer

We have had so many mixers operating and some have just chosen to end business without anything to do with seizures and arrests.

And with a time period of 4 years between both cases. Chipmixer has a huge presence here on the forum and so it getting seized and the signature campaign which has run for so many years closing abruptly, it is no surprise many think it is the end for mixers; after-all if chipmixer can go down, why can't all the other mixers out there.

We as a community can come together and come up with ways to protect our right to privacy by finding ways to look out for mixers.

- Jay -

Mixing platforms are gearing up to be a good alternative to Chipmixer, we have a few mixers running a marketing campaign if Yomix continues to market and solve issues like server downtime and offer lower fees I'm sure they can reach the status as one of the top mixers.
The mixing industry will not go down because there's a market and people value their privacy and will always look for one.

Indeed. But privacy is a human right.

Money laundering is a crime, and hackers using it to obfuscate their stolen money is illegal, so these users would have to be banned to avoid being illegal, and even that won't magically make you compliant with FinCEN (regardless of where you live).

And if you collect KYC before using the mixer, then the purpose of mixing is lost. So it's a catch-22.

Even if all mixers are shut down, there will still be many ways to perform money laundering, and history has shown us that nobody is actually serious about apprehending the people who launder their money, in contrast to, for example, the services that facilitate it. Because these are easy targets. To capture the actual criminals requires a lot of discouraging red tape across countries.

If anyone thinks I'm wrong about the above paragraph, then why haven't the 1MDB thief and his henchmen been caught yet?

Certainly, it is a sad story and we can not help but hope that such things won't happen to YoMix or any other such service in the future. I am not sure what happened to the chip mixer (or why?) but considering we are in the same business all the precautionary steps shall be taken by YoMix in advance. I mean it's a true saying that learns from the mistakes of others.

Though Chipmixer grew giant with time, they should have taken extra precautions with time.

I am happy that we have YoMix now. The only thing on my mind is a safe play and its lifelong existence of it. Because we freaking love our privacy man :)


That is the problem here. If mixers go KYC then we are done already. Then it would be far easier to have p2p transaction considering its just two individuals who are exposing themselves to each other as long as there is no escrow.

However, as I said, let us just hope YoMix will take care of their business rightfully and run it forever. GL to all of us.

This will not prevent or limit the phenomenon of money laundering associated with criminal operations and not with the presence of Mixers. There are many ways to launder money, and mixers is one of them.
Fortunately for Chipmixer users, there are alternative, honest and honest mixing platforms like Yomix. Yomix platform has proven its effectiveness since its launch, and it is fortunate for users that it has been organizing a continuous promotional signature campaign for 10 weeks. I advise everyone to use it.
I also hope that what happened with Chipmixer will be an important lesson for those in charge of the platform so that the tragedy will not be repeated.

Do  you get 'older' coins / UTXOs or 'newer' ones (with delay) when using YoMix?

I don't think I like this aspect:

This code basically links your mixes.. It could become a point of failure in case the service gets seized.

If a mixer is good, it should not matter if you get 'your own coins' because all the 'outputs' of the mixer are considered unrelated to the inputs anyway.

This is my first posting in this discussion, and I'm really happy to take part in it.
I am very pleased to see that there are people who still believe in the development of Mixers, because Bitcoin is just the beginning of a journey, but without an adequate mixer it will not be possible to have the complete result of perfect privacy. In the next few days I'll start doing some test operations and I'll post (as I already do for other services) my impressions and suggestions.

Welcome aboard this is a very long campaign I'm sure that Yomix is poised to be one of the top mixers in the industry I'm sure they are ready for a long campaign.
Mixing is here to stay I already said that there is a market there is a demand and the majority of its users are good people who just want privacy and anonymity on Bitcoin that they are holding, bad actors just found a way to use it but the good mixer will always protect their business existence to cater holders with good intentions.

Are you planning an implementation with the possibility of mixing other cryptocurrencies? It can always happen that you need to mix Eth or LTC. I think this would also be appreciated by customers.

Nope, we're not going to support ltc/eth in near future, we'll focus on obfuscating bitcoin transactions.

I wonder what the general reason is that no mainstream mixer really gets into altcoins. Any thoughts from anyone? It seems like it'd be a neat opportunity to differentiate yourself and offer a service to people beyond just the Bitcoin-focused community. And as the altcoin grows in traction, you'd grow with it.

It's because the market cap for these altcoins is so low that almost nobody is going to use them for legitimate purposes, as the only users of them will be hackers trying to launder stolen ETH / LTC / DOGE.

Besides, depending on the altcoin, it can be hard to ensure that on-chain anonymity has indeed been achieved.

1. Because Bitcoin is fully decentralized
2. Demand! It dictates everything and it happens that the demand to mix bitcoins for privacy reasons is high up there

For Ethereum, Tornado cash tried, but we all know what happened. Also what's the point of an Ethereum mixer if there are smart contract based marketplaces like uniswap.

Besides, there are privacy leaning altcoins like Monero, Dash, Zcash... so there's no point in mixing altcoins if you can access privacy based coins.

For other shitcoins like BNB, SOL etc are centralized. They can even freeze the assets if they want.

It is good that you are making your first post in this thread,this shows that as the day goes by,the Yo!mix will continue to gain more popularity,and ofcourse,so many people know about it now.I have made posts before about this mix,and now that I am back again,I will continue to post about this mixer,and to all those that are new in this campaign,please do well to make the Yo!mix gain popularity so that it can give other mixers fierce competition,which it's already doing.This mixer is seen as one of the best,and I will want the people that have not tested it to test and confirm that it is indeed one of the best.

First, can you name one altcoin that you think deserves to have a mixing service, I can't name one that has all the decentralized and widely supported by the whole Cryptocurrency community, although it's a good idea when you cover Bitcoin you cover the whole Cryptocurrency community, it's just right that Yomit focuses on Bitcoin because that's the only coin worth supporting.

I can mention to you many altcoins that can be mixed according to the blockchain protocol if it allows it, but the most common and used is Bitcoin. Then it will be useless to mix everything, as it can be converted into Bitcoin. There are many swap platforms (Instant exchanges) that do not require registration. Any altcoin can be converted into Bitcoin and then mixed using Mixer. Using altcoins that allow for more privacy or using Bitcoin Mixers are both ways to maintain privacy on the blockchain.

I just think it's a good forward-looking idea to consider building the infrastructure to support other altcoins. I think there would be a small demand now, but who's to say there won't be in the future. There was a time when crypto exchanges didn't want to list coins beyond Bitcoin and Ethereum, and there was a time when mining farms wouldn't consider anything besides Bitcoin. Obviously that has all changed now, and I'd argue that some of the services that came out on top probably were early movers into listing altcoins on their exchange or buying the right miners and configuring their software to handle those altcoins.

It's very easy to see that in 2030, there might be a large demand for mixing altcoins. Why not branch out and start building that now so that the service is ready when the demand comes?

First you have to make sure the protocols being used in the altcoins actually allow for obfuscating outputs.

Ethereum is obviously so, because Tornado Cash was so good (that it was sanctioned). Dogecoin and Litecoin are similar to Bitcoin's network so they could work with little modification. And that's about it I believe.

Most other stuff that is "pegged" to some blockchain cannot be hidden effectively because it's attached to other addresses and also in many cases the tokens can just be blacklisted by the central authority.

With regard to these so-called instant exchanges, we should take everything they say with a grain of salt ^{[usually, they do have a part in their TOS that mentions they could still ask for other details (e.g. source of funds, KYC documents and etc...) and this happens more often than most would think (especially if one part of the equation involves mixers)]}!

Thanks for sharing your opinion about instant exchanges. However, this doesn't mean that all of them are untrustworthy. I agree with that we need to be cautious as they may not always be completely transparent. It's important to research and choose a reputable exchange that prioritizes security and compliance. By doing so, I think we can minimize the risks. The use of these platforms also remains limited, since it is not possible to risk sending large sums under any circumstances.

Hi boys, we made some updates:
- added ticket system with ticket auto-deletion, works both for no-js and js version of service
- no-js version now have fee selector (instead of input) with auto-generated fees
- fixed transaction status for transactions rejected from being included in blockchain
- a bit more obfuscation and protection from dust attacks
- after click on transaction hash redirect is now to .onion blockchain explorer if you used tor
- a lot of UI fixes and improvements
 8)

Welcome to the YoMix fellow visitor.  :D
Yeah you can try it out and show us your reviews. I have already played around the website with different combination of features. You can have multiple keys and different time slots of mixing. The higher the time you set the more confidence it puts on your output.

Do try out the three days time slot which is the highest one.

If you want to build more confidence on your transaction then you can always chose TOR browser to do the operation.

With all these additional features added,  Yomix is worth being on top of the list of mixer users, there are many other mixers around but Yomix upgrades for a better users experience, its only 3 months since Yomix announce their launch here, and that short time they have built their reputation and their brand, it's a steady and fast growth.
Congratulation to the Yomix team.

If this means rebroadcasting such transactions to the network and eventually receiving confirmations is not going to count, then this change seems to slightly complicate the whole process by adding a few steps for both the staff and users.

I still believe whatever issues it is, definitely,it will be settled,no problem remains forever,If it the need for using money to get out of the situation,then they should come down to settle it.But I believe You mix is not going to experience such dilemma and complications like other mix believe me. Yo mix is accepted by so many and more people are still giving it a try and are also attesting to the fact that the mix indeed is one of the best,and are not in competition with any other mix,it is just originally made with the way it is.

No, that's not how it works at all.

Fed does not care if YoMix is "accepted by so many". If they paint a target on your back then your days are definitely numbered.

Even though there are many mixers available, I think Yomix is among the best so far. Nevertheless, Yomix is constantly working to improve.  Yomix appears to be working toward continued growth. I'm not sure if using bitcoin will not be a challenging without mixers.
Yomix recently announced its introduction a few months ago, and they've been among the greatest mixers so far. This is my first post here, and I'm happy to be participating in these great mixer

Yomix has given us every reason never to have
a doubt,but to believe in it's ability,and it has so far gotten to the ears of so many people,and so many persons are anticipating to give it a try.I know there are several other mixers who are giving it stern competition,but with the potentials I've seen in Yomix,it's is unarguably one of the best so far,and I am using  this medium to tell forum mates that haven't given a try to it before, to try it and see the mix.and you will be surprised how good it is.

Do you realise your post seems more of an advertisement for YoMix rather than a constructive post? It is somewhat similar to those that were flooding the Chipmixer threads to support it when they were wearing the CM signature.

Furthermore, the post you replied to (nioctib_100) was written on 15th March yet you replied to it on 14th April. That in itself is strange to a degree. In that post apart from stating Chipmixer was seized there was nothing of substance mentioned yet you ignored informative well articulated posts by many members (including NotATether, coupable and SFR10) specifically to reply to that post. I am not stating it is the case here but usually it is one of the giveaway signs that sort of conduct is associated with alt-accounts.

As for your comments about praising YoMix and you wanting for those reading your post to believe you when you said many things including YoMix being original and it not being in competition with others, it is difficult to believe you unless you provide some sort of evidence. As you are a strong proponent for YoMix could you explain to the uninitiated what the benefits of choosing YoMix are over say for example MixTum, Unijoin, Wasabi, Coinomize, Whirwind and other mixers?

You need to fix the Letter of Guarantee popup window when it is in night mode. Grey lettering on a grey background is quite unreadable.
Maybe it's not that much of a priority, because there are options for downloading and copying, but it should definitely be clearer to the human eye.

https://i.ibb.co/ChMbDFP/image.png (https://imgbb.com/)

I am in touch with YoMix for a long now but it surprises me all the time. I was reading through the blogging section of the YoMix website and came to know that we can send any number of coins. Though there is only a limited output address that is 5, does it mean if someone pushes the mixer with N-number of coins then it is still going to be stable and will give mixed coins anyway? How does that work, if the input is higher than YoMixe's balance coin, or does it work on a versatile algorithm? Just read my question as a common user if it is a stupid one, considering I'm not tech-savvy on that part.  :P

The other interesting bullet point I read is Affiliate Program.

Seriously I did nothing about this until I read about it in the blog. Is this program still running and pays us a 50% commission for whatever they mix? I am so happy to read this one and willing to get my hands on digital marketing right away.

The question:
What are the perks?
The 50% commission is straight or is it associated with 50% of fees etc?

Would love to know this from @yomix, please. Cheers!

In general, the mixer maintains a huge reserve capable of covering almost all operations. However, a maximum number of coins must be specified in each process, since there is a hypothesis that more than one user mixes large amounts at the same time, and the total of those coins is greater than the mixer's reserves. I would also like to know how the system is supposed to work in such cases.
I was also surprised to see this part in the Faq section :



The referral owner will get half of the commission that the mixer will take from the mix session, and not half of the total amount to be mixed. This means that if the mixer take a commission from 1% to 3%, then you will get a commission from 1% to 1.5%, according to the commission that will be deducted in each transaction.

Ponzi? ;D
Does Yomix use the same rule as (in)famous Chipmixer that coins received are 'older' than coins sent?


I think you wanted to write: 0.5% - 1.5%

Obviously not :)
In case deposit amount is higher than our balance you'll just need to wait other users deposits. As we have pretty good inflow and enough our own reserves i don't think it'll happen.

Pretty good chance that we are getting fresh coins. Must be working on some tagging system I believe. Anyways, my next payout is going through the YoMix for sure. I did use chipmixer back in time, and that was the first time usage of mixer for me. I almost got confused as to how I received my coins. Then one of the friend told, I actually get the keys for it using which I can load my wallet.

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Okay, so definitely need to focus on big bulls to make their transactions via YoMix considering we will be earning % of commission fees. Hmm, not bad though. A similar range is booked by exchangers in maker and taker fees.
Is anyone doing it already with success?

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@yomix Will the network congestion affect our transactions and will it increase the fees taken by YoMix?

That would be quite silly, because the situation of the mempool is very volatile and fees can drop at any time. That means by the time they start putting their heads together to agree on a new fee, the transaction backlog would've already been cleared.

Nobody should consider increasing the fees taken by any service unless the network endures a prolonged and sustained backlog of transactions for at least several months.

It seems we still have high congestion at this time point as well. This week I was going to use the service for trial with my payout but it seems the network is still jammed. To take out the bitcoin from my wallet itself would take fee of ~$30 at this point. I don't how I am supposed to send my coins and use the services effectively.

As per NotATether, I know YoMix has its predefined charges which means I only have to worry about moving my coins from my wallet with such high fees.  :o

It's already 5 days ago since when congestion started. Reminds me 2017.
Let us hop it comes down soon and I am able to use YoMix soon.  :)

The current state of Bitcoin Network is really unfortunate. 

It does not make sense if you are transferring or mixing Bitcoins worth a few hundreds of USD. The current transaction fees do not matter if one is mixing let's say 1 BTC or even 0.5 BTC

I was trying to mix some coins, and they do have even a red banner with a warning

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZO0kw.png

Yeah that is where I stopped actually about the whole thing. I really wanted to put a nice review about YoMix last week but I am still waiting for the network fees to comes down. At this point I dont have or I have no desire to mix more than 0.5 bitcoin,  ;D

I am actually seeing dropped affiliate commission too due to this reason only. It might be that they are not mixing the coins for the same reason as we have and thus no commission at all.

There should have been some sort of way out with mixer. For example, getting collective coins in a batch and lowering the fees for sender. But not sure how this would work if fees are in the court of senders wallet and not the other way around. Anyways this is way temporary issue it seems.

Won't this compromise privacy? You know, the major reason we always opt for a mixer is privacy.
Also, I don't think batch transaction will lower the fees dramatically.

Imagine a jump in the normal transaction fee rate from let's 3 sats/vbyte a few weeks to 300 sats/vbyte today... That's a 9,900% increase in fees

Temporary, if the Devs and bitcoin community do something about it.

If the Devs do something about it... is the fees a function of having logs of transactions that clogs the network or some predefined fee. I guess it isn't the second and with that be the case, what can the Devs or community really do about the fee.

At this time, the fee seemed to have dropped compared to days ago when you can't even process your transaction with 100sat/byte. 50sat/byte could go from the last I checked around 14 o'clock forum time.
Still, it's a fee for a while and your drives to use them coins is the push to initiate transactions.

I don't see a way in which mixers can have it easier since, they use same network as the rest of the bitcoin community. Compounding coins comes with mo advantage as, the number of confirmations would play a role too.

The fee is reducing now. So very soon everything will be alright. If YoMix server is congested then even though you increase the fee, the transaction will not go fast because they have to finish the ones that were there first before any other one. So instead you just wait patiently for your turn.
There were some transactions that took full one week to arrive last week. The transactions were done since last week Monday on the 8th of May 2023 and it arrived on Monday their week 15th May 2023. So all what I am saying is patient because the congestion of the Mempool is reducing.

In other words, you want a mixer to work like an exchange, whereby they combine transactions in order to save fees?

You do realize this can make the job easier for Chainalysis companies and anyone trying to snoop people's transactions with all the co-spending happening in a certain pattern. I am not expert in different mixing techniques, but my intuition tells me this can mess up the much intended privacy.

For deposits, the user is responsible for adjusting the fees and paying attention to the state of the network before sending to the mixer. The mixer's task can be to extend the validity of the deposit address because transactions may take much longer than expected and the sender is not able to use the RBF feature for one reason or another.
But for withdrawals, the Mixer is solely responsible for them and they must be done efficiently regardless of the state of the network if they set fixed fees for Mix operations. The only solution, in my opinion, could be to choose one of these two ideas:
1- Stopping the mixer until the end of the wave of the high fees crisis.
2- Adopting the chip method, as was done by ChipMixer, and placing the responsibility for the withdrawal on the user.

It's a cost of doing business to have to pay the fee on the withdrawal. Yobit would make a gain if fees drop, and they make less when fees go up. They should price the mixer service at whatever they think it needs to be in order to stay profitable as fees fluctuate. A contractor who builds a house puts in his initial bid and can't change it 6 months later because the price of wood went up (in the same way he wouldn't lower it when the price of wood drops). Stopping the mixer now is like a contractor refusing to continue building the house after giving the initial quote or promise. Yobit is a 'good mixer' when we can trust that we can withdraw our coins regardless of the current transaction fee. It'd be really damaging to shut anything down when fees go high. Simply raise your fees, which is totally fair, and I think we would all understand that. If Yobit wants to be really innovative, they could even create a moving average fee: something that tracks the average transaction fee of the past week or so and adjusts their pricing model accordingly.

Hello,  tried to contact you through a ticket but did not receive an answer, in a strange way, there was a delay in 2 out of 3 transactions, I don't remember that I put it, could you remove it please? Thank you.

Hey, where you sorted out?

Yep. We answered in our anonymous ticket system.

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I was about trading to use the YoMix Mixing service but they are asking of Mixing Code which I don't know how to get it. So I will want the YoMix company to tell me how to get the code so I can use their mixing to see how fast and effective it is.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/21/HtZMD.png
And also what is the minimum amount for the service fee?

Your mixing code sort of like a receipt given after you mix your coins. If this is your first time, you don't need to put anything there. Later on if you mix a second time, if you want to totally ensure that you will not receive your old coins, you can enter your mixing code "receipt," and Yomix won't give you any of your original coins from your first time mixing.


The lowest service fee right now is .7%, although this may change. You can always check it on the slider right there on your mixing form.

You could also make full use of the FAQ section. It always has most of the answers to your questions https://[banned mixer]/en/pages/faq

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I have a question to @YoMix regarding the blog, particularly this/en/blog/post/best-bitcoin-mixers-2022-2023] article (https://[banned mixer). Can't it be updated? I see chipmixer being listed as one of the best mixers, but we all know it's no more as of today

This article mostly for seo purposes, bitcointalk has a good mixer list which we recommend to use to find suitable one.

An article update for SEO purposes is highly recommended, which, in addition to the accuracy of the information, is the reason for the update.

Also, the images in the opening post of this thread are hosted on Imgur, so they cannot be loaded. I suggest that you do an update there as well, as a recommendation it is better to use talkimg.org

I have checked the FAQ article yet I didn't see any subtopic that is related to the question. FAQ did not even talk about the mixing code. And I believe that op can direct me how to get that mixing bcoew so I can also use the mix to mix coins

The mixing code is autogenerated by YoMix after you perform a mix without specifying a code, specifically used so that you don't receive your own UTXOs back as an output (which would make the mix useless).

The description is inside the tooltip on the homepage:


So basically it's not like some kind of session ID which allows you to continue accessing your coins, it's just a data entry to prevent you from getting your coins back (split up into whole units with 1 transaction of course).

Look again carefully, the did talk about it in the FAQ, I suppose you missed it  ;)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/26/Sd09m.png

I've been searching the internet for some time now for articles and reviews about Yomix Mixer. Yesterday, by coincidence I found two articles published on the 22nd and 23rd of June, which contained a positive evaluation of the platform and a detailed description of the services it provides to users, along with the features that distinguish it from the rest of its competitors in the crypto market.
What caught my attention is that there is a mention of a person named Alexey Hlyncev as the contact representative for the platform.
Link (https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/2023-06-22/yomix-io-introduces-the-bitcoin-mixer-for-anonymity-and-security) to bloomberg article published in 22-06-2023.
Link (https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/23/06/ac32963592/yomix-io-introduces-the-bitcoin-mixer-for-anonymity-and-security) to benzinga article published in 23-06-2023.
I would like to know if this person is the real representative of the Yomix platform, with confirmation from its official representatives here on the forum. And assuming that it is, can this have an impact on the degree of user security and privacy of the service, as it is the first time that I find a full name of a person working in a crypto-Mixing service, who is supposed to work in complete anonymity afaik. Feel free to correct my view point if you find me wrong.

Key word is "Media Contact"  ;)

Not YoMix representative or official name of the person working for Yomix. The name and location could be random... hehehe

Like;

I think the part of media contact is mandatory, probably for feedback from the readers and also communication from the media platform. The only parts that may be real are the email, organisation name and website

So you can imagine what confusion this information can cause among readers, especially since it includes correct information about the name of the site and the official email. 
The two articles took the information from the same source in the quote I pasted, which is what makes its repetition contribute to proving its credibility. 
I was hoping that there would be a clarification of these details so that there would be no confusion, because including a name in this way within an official list of information may not be as clarifying as it causes confusion. 
Thank you for the clarification logfiles

I am not saying the info is wrong, but this is a mixer which is meant to promote anonymity/privacy that we are talking about, so the location and name could just be pseudonymous to protect the owners as well.

I think you remember what happened to the innocent Dev of Tornado Cash.

I think those articles are mostly for SEO purposes. I am not expert in that field, but that is most probably the reason they were put up. If you look keenly on the second article on Benzinga. At the top, next to the title, you will notice that the author is Accesswire. Then at the bottom there is “View source version on accesswire.com:”

But anyway, the team will give us an appropriate answer.

tbh we even didn't know we have articles there  ;D
We're working with several companies for promoting our mixer and yes, they can put any contact info they want.

After searching for this name "Alexey Hlyncev" on the Internet, I did not find any mention of him except in one of the pdf files on a Russian site. The name may be used for SEO purposes because this is the only explanation for adding this information without even Yomix being aware of this.

Frankly, I do not find that they have the right to add any name they wish without indicating that it does not belong to the Mixer team. There is also a mention of the state where the company is in Washington, is it really in Washington?

I understood that it is not a serious matter in any case, and that Yomix is not responsible for the accuracy of the information published by some sites.

If any website writes something about Yomix or any other mixer without contacting them, and the mixer is not paying for that, the mixer is not responsible for the accuracy of the information. Yes, writing random information is quite misleading unless they get permission from the mixer. Let's say different media started writing different addresses and country names, if someone notices the difference between articles, they might be confused about the legitimacy of the platform.

It's understandable that mixers don't want to share their accurate location. but, if they choose a location for any purpose, every media should use the same information. Or they can choose not to share any location as it's not a mandatory thing to share.

This is completely understandable.  Each platform has the right to publish the data they wish.  And I would not have asked the same question if it was related to another Mixer platform, but I know Yomix and I know that they do not share identifying information, and since the article is repeated in many sources, I was surprised that there is a reference to the state of the company’s location and the name of a person that suggests that he is from the platform’s team. 
The clarification from the representative of the platform here on the forum was a clarification that does not rise to doubt, but at the same time it puts the credibility of those sites into question because it makes no sense to add these private data.  Even if this is due to seo conditions, this does not give them the right to publish data with that degree of privacy.

Well, If they have contacted Yomix for such information and got permission to use such data, you cannot blame them as well because they already got permission from the platform. But, as Yomix said, they had no idea those platforms published articles about Yomix. But they included Yomix as a source that Yomix representatives might not be aware of.

As I can see, all three platforms used the same address in their article. I don't see this as a problem. This is an anonymous platform. As long as they are not sharing their accurate information, there is no problem.

I'm still not sure about one thing, if I am doing a transaction using Yomix service for the first time, what code should I enter where it mentions using Mixing code?
I checked the FAQ and they said, I will get a code after the first mix. And later mentioned using that code. I still don't understand this matter basically how I can get that code.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/14/ZVqV1.png

When you enter the receiving bitcoin address which is the receiver's wallet address and you set the transfer delay and service fee and you click create order and it will take you to another page which the mixing code will display and you create order.

When it's your first time to mix coins on Yomix, you don't need the mixing code as you are just a fresh user. Just enter your Bitcoin addresses and create an order. In the next page you will see your mixing order details including your new mixing code which can save and use for your future coin mixing sessions on the platform.

The mixing code helps to avoid you getting back the same coins/outputs you might have sent to Yomix in the past when mixing future transactions.

I'll try to illustrate it with screenshots. As mentioned above, just leave the Mixing code blank for first-time use.

https://i.ibb.co/ZHtn3Gc/Screen-Shot-2023-07-14-at-21-37-35.png (https://ibb.co/s5k0hbs)

After inputting the receiving address then, proceed by clicking Create order. Then, Your Mixing Order page will appear, where you will get the Mixing Code that you can save and use again for the next transaction.

https://i.ibb.co/5BhYFKh/Screen-Shot-2023-07-14-at-21-40-41.png (https://ibb.co/hDFXfYF)

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In other BTC mixing services I have used, I think the Mixing Code functions in /]Yo!Mix (http://[banned mixer) similarly to the Session Token in CM.

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I have already managed to mix my BTC through this yomix! service. And I save the code that I get from there, so that I can use that code in future transactions. Thank you very much for helping me understand these Yomix! services.

I noticed that when I created a mixing order on clearnet, then after some minutes I created another one. The same mixing code would appear in the mixing code slot.
When I tried to replicate the same using the Tor Mirror, different mixing codes always appeared on each order, even if you created two orders with two open tabs. My question is;

1. Which one is intended and which one is not (Different mixing codes by default vs Mixing code getting automatically saved in the browser)?

As far I know when we use Clearnet browsers where (deleted cookies and cache by default are off *) always create the same code on the slot.
while Tor browser is always deleted cookies and cache by default so that create different code in every order.
So I think, for privacy tor is the best, but we can set also up the Clearnet browser like Tor to make the same experience.

I don't know how important it is, but I never use the code when mixing, I don't know what it does and function. many argue that code for as not to repeat the same mixing, but my experience (never used code 3 time) I never received the same mixed address

This is very true.

Yeah, the mixing code ensures that in the future when you are mixing using YoMix, you will never get sent back the coins you ever sent to the platform for mixing in the past.

As time goes on, things will probably be different without the use of the mixing code. I am sure you mixed a few Bitcoins, which is why you never received from the same mixed address.

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The mixing code repeatedly appears in chrome browser when you login to Yo!mix to mix coins and the code appears when you use the same details you used before. If you used different details then the website will also generate new mixing code for you. And really for privacy purpose it is better to use Tor browser so that the code would not be saved in the browser and new code would be generated whenever you are mixing coins.

Is it true that cookies and cache will affect the mixing of bitcoin to such extend? What if I am not willing to use the Tor and just go for the incognito mode so that no cookies or cache will be traced thus resolving the purpose of same code generation?

Has someone already tried this type of mixing and does it generate the different code every time?


As mentioned by @Agbe they stated that code is just used to retrieve the settings that we used that means it doesn't really has significant purpose in minting your coin. I think we should be just fine using the normal browser too since Yo!Mix will anyway give us privacy with it's own mixing feature. At least I would love to think so!

Cache cannot be used by webpages to identify your browser session, because it is just pages and images, fonts, CSS locally stored on your device.

The only way a website can keep identifying you when you keep visiting is if they set a cookie (or if you just log in), or by using a fingerprinting library. So assuming this mixer just sets a cookie to identify you[1], the code cannot be the same in an incognito session.

[1]: That is assuming it sets cookies at all. I strongly believe that mixers do not need to set cookies for any reason.

This means Tor or No Tor it doesn’t matter when the codes generated. You can just use any type of browser and still safe about it.

:-)

Website states that it saves only necessary technical information during the effect period of your order but at the same time mixer gives us a mixing code that will guarantee that we will never receive our coins from previous transactions. Does this mean that mixing code acts like a tracking agent? It looks like a good and bad way for privacy at the same time. Good cause it's gonna save me from getting back my previous coins but at the same time it looks like it stores my mixing history. Can anyone confirm whether am I right or wrong?

No. The mixing code is not a tracking agent because it's not used to collect additional data from your device.

I don't say that it collects additional data from my device but it looks like it collects data of my transactions that are done through the mixer. Isn't it so?

If you give multiple mixes the same mixing code, then yes, whoever runs the database can identify that the mixes are being done by the same person.

You can just make a new mix with a blank mixing code if you want to get another one and without being identified, although you might want to check the UTXOs to make sure that (as the website says) you're not getting your own coins back.

Okay, that's what I thought. So, I think it's better to use this mixer without mixing code because it's a popular mixer with high mixing volume I assume. If the volume is high, then the chances of getting my coins back should be very low or the time when I receive my coins back, they will already be clean.

Even if you use a browser other than Tor, at least use a private/incognito window so that when you access the Yo!Mix website, all your activities, including the mixing code-generated session, can be more private and not stored in the browser history, but that does not make you anonymous.

Unlike the Tor browser, which provides more features, such as disguising the user's IP address so that it is not easily tracked.

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In the "Your Mixing Order" session, you cannot delete the Mixing code listed there, so you have to use it, whether it's new code or code that has been generated before.

Small Bitcoin volumes, yes, but this is a very different opinion from someone looking to mix 10 or 50 BTC each week or month  :D

I believe I don't have to use that code and it absolutely depends on my free will.

Personally, I don't know how mixers manage their wallets to offer anonymous service and it will be very interesting if someone, at least briefly explains the case. Mixers should be doing coinjoin inside the system to refresh received coins, they also need to move funds between different addresses. Operating of mixer safely to protect your and users privacy shouldn't be an easy process.

its mean we should always use fo Tor browser for mix btc to hide our IP and our browsing history. In most of the browser I notice that there is " Incognito Tab " where history not saving. If we use this, will it will be safe to use Yomix swap or still there is possibility of leaking information?

But there is no option not to use the mixing code that appears when you use the Yo!Mix service. An option still possible is using a new code every time you transact there.

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You don't always have to use the Tor Browser, but if you want more privacy, at least Tor Browser currently has that feature compared to other browsers (https://tb-manual.torproject.org/about/).

You can read more about it at the following link:
https://nordvpn.com/blog/incognito-mode-not-as-private-as-you-think/

Okay, let me clarify this thing.
You said that I have to use code, I underlined it in your quote. You have to means that I must do, I'm forced to use that code and all I said is that I'm not forced and it absolutely depends on me whether I use that code or not.
There is an option to not use the mixing code, simply leave the field empty.
We probably misunderstood each-other  :D

On the start page or the first time you use Yo!Mix, you can still leave the empty code;

https://i.ibb.co/xfWZpVR/Screen-Shot-2023-08-19-at-16-47-48.png

But when you proceed to the next step on 'Your Mixing Order' as I mentioned here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432724.msg62675758#msg62675758
The mixing code is automatically filled, and you can't delete it.

https://i.ibb.co/SRyHbDt/Screen-Shot-2023-08-19-at-16-48-09.png

Please try to prove it.

That code is unique for each mixing session where you left the Mixing Code field empty.
When you start a new mixing session, you get mixing code, like you got ein6nqjgenl. Let's assume you finished the mixing session. Now open a new tab and you want to mix coins. You are free to leave the Mixing Code empty. If you leave it empty, then new Mixing Code will be generated but that means absolutely nothing we I don't use it, so, you are not forced to use mixing code. If you were forced to do, then you wouldn't be able to leave Mixing Code field empty on your every next session.

It probably isn’t an easy process as you already sense given the fact that, mixers don’t hold users coins more than the network congestion would allow and the time frame set to process certain transactions either it’s set at a fast pace or reduced fee to extend mixing time but in most cases, it’s usually within minutes.
Hence, they’ve got to have a lot of holdings of there own to do the mixing in between addresses as well. Just trying to understand but, it would take a lot of automated process that guarantees customers safety and gains there confidence.

When you say, chances of getting larger volumes initiated for mixing is slim,
Are you in anyway referring to the possibility of mixers having to do away with your funds because it’s worth ending there services for?

https://i.postimg.cc/7Zj27xcj/captca.png

I don't know if this captcha is for a user TOR only, but for a site that manages user funds is a good step for security. and, sometimes I have to do it twice because got a wrong answer, but I feel there is no fault I did before. I don't know if this is a TOR connection problem, or the captcha. But so far, I don't have a problem with the mixer as long as I use it.

I am not a big fan of TOR as I cannot use a fast internet connection. TOR slows it down further, so I am unsure if it's the same with the TOR. But I just tried the clearnet domain, which is [banned mixer], and everything is so smooth. I tried creating an order, but it did not ask for a captcha verification. So, either it's only for TOR or random for every user.

I remember when I used a VPN, even Google asked me to verify the re-captcha to show the search results. I don't know the exact reason, but as they say, Your computer sends too many requests or something. I have been using a paid VPN for the last few months and haven't seen re-captcha since then (for Google search).

Sometimes it's easy to miss other numbers in the captcha box because they are written in different colours so you have to be very keen especially if you have some colour blindness disorder.

I tried to recreate the same issue on Tor with 5 random orders, but I didn't get any issue solving the captcha on the first attempt. The captcha is definitely put there to avoid things like DDoS attacks, which are rampant on Bitcoin mixers lately.

It's possible that one of the color numbers is blurry, so in this case, I can't read it correctly. Maybe this could be a serious problem for those who have a color-blind.

Yes, maybe true what you said, That looks like random because when I tried to use it back with TOR today, the site didn't ask me for a captcha again. maybe this depends on the TOR relay, Maybe the other day I got a relay where the location have a lot of traffic.

Captcha is not random but depends on several situations. Like, are you coming from a new IP address, Has the IP address you are currently using already accessed that site, Are you as a user already solving a captcha from the same provider (it may even be a completely different website)
That's why it can happen that sometimes it's enough to just click on the captcha field, and sometimes it's enough to go through a complete verification.

In my case, most of the time, it happens if I use free VPNs. Even If I try to access the google.com home page, it asks for a captcha verification. Sometimes even it does not let me verify the captcha saying my computer sending too many requests. Which I believe is because of the free VPN I use. Possibly a large number of users using same IP address to access google at that time.

So I agree that the same thing may applied to other website as well. Sometimes solving captcha is frustrating because even if I select the right image, it asks me to verify again and it happens multiple times.

Probably because the attackers mostly use those free VPN services and Tor to attack the websites. So those IP addresses get blacklisted by Cloudflare or any other DDoS protection service. No, when you decide to use the same VPN to access such a site, you are instantly taken to a checkpoint.

I noticed this when use my Opera browser with the free VPN turned on. Almost every Cloudflare protected site hates the Opera VPN mode, with various checks on most websites.

The captcha challenge Yomix uses is actually better, the most annoying is the one of with grainy images of crosswalks, bicycles, traffic lights  ;D

I have Opera browser installed as well and it keeps asking to make it the default browser. Poor Opera doesn't know I like Edge more since the last update of it. Opera Improved a lot but I didn't It has a built-in VPN in it. I guess I have heard before but did not try. Thanks for the reminder anyway.


Motor cycle, cars and bus suck as well. The frustrating thing is when I keep solving it ask for the next captcha. Supposedly I completed four captcha but in the end it incorrect captcha and I had to do it multiple times. It mostly happens when I try to login into the forum. My ISP never knows when it provides 50mbps speed and when it provides 50kbps speed. Sometimes the captcha does not even load and says cannot connect reCaptcha. LOL.

I just tried opening /]https://[banned mixer]/ (https://[banned mixer) (Clearnet) using Firefox and /]http://[banned mixer]/ (http://[banned mixer) (Tor Domain) using Tor Browser; Captcha appears only on Tor Domain.
Several times, I filled in answers that I was sure were correct but were considered Wrong captcha answers, and on the third time, I was finally able to continue with Mixing Order.

https://i.ibb.co/f0pB5R1/Screen-Shot-2023-09-14-at-09-47-39.png  https://i.ibb.co/TK6XRrq/Screen-Shot-2023-09-14-at-09-47-48.png

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It may be due to common causes such as the following:

Super Bump to this topic


This topic was posted a while ago, which indicates the possibility of hacking central mixing services^[1] because mixing services follow a specific pattern. With deep analysis, you may be able to understand this specific pattern, and then it will be easy for you to know the deposits of all users (their patterns are random) compared to the deposits of the mixing service (coins). Mixer bitcoins which usually follows a systematic approach and accordingly you can link income transactions with output by deducting fees and you will get a list of user addresses before and after mixing.

What I am trying to say here is that I noticed in [banned mixer] withdrawal fees are not chosen by the user. If there was an option to make them available to the user or make them random, it would enhance privacy.

Other than that I didn't find anything, you did a great job especially NO java script version.

[1] Breaking Mixing Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0)

No javascript site generates random fee every time you reload page, in full version you can manually set it using slider.
Also, we have multitransaction option which totally breaks this problem you mentioned .

Yes for sure, I tried also on the Chrome browser, and a captcha doesn't appear like I used TOR. but sometimes, like a day ago when I used the Tor browser, A captcha didn't appear like used before, may be true it depends on the relay at that time.

I have a question about service fee, why is it always changing?, when I refresh the mixer, the service fee changes to: 4.637%, 3.017%, 1.055%, ..etc. I never got the service fee 0.7% or bottom.

thanks for advance.

I think that it is part of greater anonymity and potential concealment that coins go through the mixer, with different fees for each transaction. Just imagine if there was a fixed fee of 0.75% for all transactions, it would mark all Yomix transactions in some way. After a while, as soon as you see a 0.75% fee on a transaction, you automatically know where these funds came from, without the need for further verification.
You have a slider, so at the end, you choose which fee you want to pay. I recommend that it always be different.

Self-explanatory, is it?

If a mixer is charging a particular fee, then it's easy for the blockchain analytic services to deanonymize and point out where the transactions come from Random = Hard to deanonymize.

0.7% is their minimum service fee

I think they need to add some info about service fees under the FAQs

This is a good idea, and it includes an explanation of the mechanism based on which the value of fees changes, along with an explanation of the reasons for doing this, especially since the matter is related to adding more privacy and anonymity in the blockchain.
I also believe that there are other elements that determine the value of the fees, including withdrawals from more than one address and time intervals between transfers. In general, users always prefer services with lower fees if they trust them, so it is important to indicate all the details to avoid any confusion. YoMix has become known as the most affordable mixer among all competitors in the market.

You can use the sliders to find the appropriate fee. To get the lowest service fee, try sliding the transfer delay slider to the rightmost position (although I see this doesn't affect the service fee) and the service fee slider to the leftmost position. Here is an example of the minimum service fee that I got:

https://i.ibb.co/KjBRnZy/Screen-Shot-2023-09-28-at-05-56-35.png

However, it is best to use the random amount of transactions option (minimum service fee of 1.7%) to increase anonymity further.

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A friendly bump

Anyone here in contact with YoMix? They could potentially save me from being scammed.
Please tell them to look into my support tickets regarding following transaction: 6044896d116b6f23ad218ceac7b2333728b148d6e64f149ddbf00f05bcad7742

thanks

I recommend AGAINST this service with all my might.

In fact, I've never seen a mixer built in a worse manner than YoMix. I'm confident that the only reason they spend so much in signature campaigns is because they want to launder their own dirty and crime-tainted coins by bringing in foreign volumes.

Why is their service bad though? They fail at the most basic thing in bitcoin and this proves they have zero idea at what they're doing. Nearly all transactions passing through YoMix add sub-standard fees, this first of all this makes YoMix transactions very easy to identify as their transaction fee pattern is very noticable on the blockchain, and it also makes their transactions highly likely to get stuck, potentially for a very long time.

I have a transaction stuck with them for two days, nearly at the last positions of preference of mempools on most miner nodes. I kindly sent them a support ticket to ask for either a doublespend so they could increase the fee and have my transaction actually arrive, but they outright refused saying their platform isn't built for that.

Motherfucker what do you even mean your platform isn't built for that. My BTC passes through your addesses that YOU own the private keys to, and with hefty ++0.7% fees just for a transaction you cheap out on transaction fees that are even deducted out of my own balance and not at your espense...!? I gave you my coins to mix them, not to have them stuck in limbo forever. And what happens if the transaction is dropped? Are you still not able to recover my coins for me then?!

If you don't know how bitcoin works don't even start such a service.

I can see the frustration here, Would you be kind enough to share the proof of your transaction, So that team can review and we can also see what happened here? Abusing and using such language wont solve here anything, If you want them to look into your query you must provide some proofs.

What exactly do you expect from Yomix here? Did you use the Yomix service at all and whether Address bc1qyncctxpdmw92teehtwyfmjedtkelee0ptkuee7 belong to them?
Finally, Yomix is a mixing service and does not deal with scam investigations, nor are they responsible for recipient addresses. Just think how it would affect their reputation if they met demands like yours.

What exactly is the problem here? Tried to deposit on Yomix, but your transaction is likely not going to be confirmed within 24 hours?
If that is the case, then you shouldn't worry. Contact their support (https://[banned mixer]/en/contacts) and state your issue.

Something tells me that your transaction might even get dropped from the mempool. Time wilt tell, anyway.

I inputed a scammer's bitcoin address when sending BTC through the mixer by mistake.
YoMix sent the transactions with fees that are too low and therefore the transactgion has been pending for days now.

I already contacted them through their contact form with my letter of guarantee (which is 100% proof I am the one who used the service) and asked them to do a double spend to a different address with higher fees so the scammer doesn't get my money.

They simply closed my tickets and didn't help me.  The transaction is still pending. They can do something, but I guess they're not interested... I told them they can keep part of the transaction as bounty but I guess they preffer a scammer gets paid? Crazy...

Again, they shouldn't care who you sent the coins to, nor should they care if you were scammed through that trade. Everything is exclusively your fault and you have no basis to accuse anyone for it. In the end, you are also some kind of fraudster, because you wanted to buy an account and present yourself here as an established member.

And finally, who else uses a mixer during direct trade? What is the purpose and how will you prove to the seller that you sent the coins?

Hello there.
Sorry, but that's not a problem of our service that you entered "incorrect" address. We never change order details. Also, we never leave ticket unanswered. Usually people create multiple tickets and we answer in one of them, and we answered you that we can do nothing in this situation.
As i can see, transaction is not replaceable anyway, you can check it using mempool.space explorer.
Very sad it happened for you, be careful.

I contacted them from their form with the letter of guarantee they provide, which is already more than enough proof for them to fix the issue.

They really shouldn't be running a mixer service since they can't configure bitcoind to function properly.
With some simple mempool sniffing I could pick out all YoMix transactions due to their bad transaction fee configuration so really there's no point to anyone using this mixer.
I filled their form with instructions on how they could re-do a transactiont they initially had put wrong fees to and all they said was that their platform wasn't made for this???

So my funds should stay in limbo for an indefinite amount of time just because this mixer's devs are incompetent at doing just one thing?
And no I won't be posting proof because only YoMix can fix this issue and by posting about it here I would be effectively de-anonymizing my transaction.

There are no issues from our side. If you're really experienced bitcoin user you have to know, that transaction you've asked to RBF is not bip125 replaceable anyway, and it's correct behavior. All transactions are final.
The only issue here is wrong destination address from your side, experienced bitcoin user has to pay attention on what he copy&paste.
Please, don't try to shift responsibility for your own mistake onto us.
Fun to read about 'mempool sniffing' :), we have dynamic mining fees and sometimes, when mempool fees experience a spike, tx can stuck for a bit, but after contacting us we usually accelerate transaction via partners mining pools, if client asked us to do that, that's all we can do, no rbf/etc.

When you post your complaints openly on the forum, I think it's reasonable for other users to ask for some proof.
Suppose you don't want to be seen by other users besides you and Yo!Mix, why don't you discuss it via PM instead?

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Even if you want to receive or send Bitcoin, the general standard is to check the address carefully when transacting.

Ready to mix your coins! :)

One should be very careful when making a bitcoin transaction and should check the address twice before making any payment but it's not like bitcoin transaction can't be reversed. Yes, it can be reversed and it depends on what wallet you use. If you use Electrum and your transaction hasn't got confirmation yet, then you have an option to cancel it by doing a double-spend. It cancels transaction by sending coins to your wallet with an increased fee, it increases fee like you do with RBF.

I guess whoever in this thread know that we have feature called RBF in Bitcoin and we can utilize it if transaction does not get any confirmations. More importantly, your wallet should support RBF and it should be enabled before you make the transaction. But the problem is, we are not talking about any wallet here. Yomix is an mixer and they are not like a typical wallet. So there is no option to cancel the transaction or change the transaction once the request is already made. It's an automatic service and as a service, they should not edit any kind of information that user input to their system. This is one of the most sensitive service on the internet.

That's right; if the transaction has not received confirmation, transferring or replacing it with a new transaction is still possible using the RBF feature.

When all assets have been sent, even though it hasn't been confirmed, as far as I know, Electrum will assume your balance is zero by default, so you can't immediately make a new transaction. You need a little trick to double-spend and send it back to your address by increasing transaction fees (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHnodZtVK4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHnodZtVK4)).

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The case experienced by Russtie Beerkan above is final and has also been explained by the YoMix team.

Improved mixing algorithm, ready to mix your coins :)

I commend you for the great Job

Mine is a suggestion:
In the event that the site goes temporarily offline or under maintenance where users many not be able to access support since it's inbuilt within the site. Isn't it a good idea to set up a privacy focused alternative communication or support channel for the users, just in case?

Hey there yomix, I was wondering, how much commission  can I get if I was going to refer clients for you, maybe by placing a ref link some place special? What percentage  of earned profit will you give me?

You will share 50% of the income generated by your referrals, which is really generous of them. You will have to create an account with them using your Bitcoin address and a password where you will have a dashboard with all the details about your hits, earnings and the ref links

Check this - https://[banned mixer]/en/partner

Ok, I have partnered with yomix as of now, hope no criminals use the links on my sig space.  How do you like it boss? 😂