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Trezor just released teaser post on twitter saying they are preparing a big reveal coming on October 12, and I am guessing this is their new model with their own secure element!

They even created countdown page on their website for new products, with this question: Ready for hassle-free crypto security?
https://content.trezor.io/new-products

We can see glimpses of new device, and all we can see is black shiny color and totally new design.
I think that ledger and other hardware wallet manufacturers are probably sweating right now  :D

Can someone guess the name for new Trezor device?

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/05/PWpQ9.jpeg
https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1709916391661281530

A new model with their own secure element? Is that actually something they talked about before?

I'm really wondering what are the important features they are missing, that would require them to release new hardware for them to implement. Any thoughts? aside from maybe support for more non-EVM crypto?

I'm seeing two new devices... Is it just me or does the other device look like a black version of Cryptosteel Capsule?
^{- It's the perfect combo.}

It's probably the Trezor Model R that I mentioned in "this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5304483.msg60786821#msg60786821)" post :)

I hope they call it the T800.  If so, I'll be back.


I seem to recall this being a sticky subject in the past, and I assume it's something they've wanted to implement to keep up with the competition (i.e. Passport and ColdCard,) but I don't recall any Trezor communication stating they're working on it.


Market share, lol?  Like any business, they need to innovate or die.  To venture a guess; I bet it's going to have a larger touchscreen than the T2, like a small smartphone form factor.  A secure element that resolves Trezor's known vulnerability would be a significant upgrade all on it's own, IMO.

Subscription for seed recovery LOL
Is ledger still alive?

For amateurs, it's a good pitch.
Hassle-free crypto security for me is to have a multi-sig wallet having at least two cosigner key. Save the keys in two different physical location.

Lol, I think they know better.  I've always been under the impression that Trezor management team are laser eyed maxies themselves, and tend to steer more towards keeping their base happy.  I imagine they witnessed how Ledger's attempt at "shared self-custody" blew up in their faces, I don't see any other hardware wallet making such a bonehead mistake.  Except Jack Dorsey, he's boneheaded enough to repeat such a retarded mistake, I guess.


Any feature that makes use of a secure hardware wallet easier would help with mass-adoption, so hopefully they've figured out a way to make even more user friendly without sacrificing security and self-custody.

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I'm still a bit salty about Trezor imbedding Wasabi into Trezor Suite, so I'm not sure if I want to spend any more of my money with them.  I'll decide when they release the new product and scrutinize it's features.

Seems like a lipstick or perfume bottle. But let's just not assume that.  :D :D New designs are just another way of marketing just like Apple company is doing with iPhone. hehe. I hope you got my point. They are simply changing the layout of the camera or pinholes etc. Well, the Design looks great (of Trezor's wallet) but I am not a user so why I am getting excited? hehe.

In my thought, they will name it in the X series maybe. What other name they might come up with?

My thought is they will go for airgapped transactions. Personally I have a trezor model one and even though I think it's safe, I don't like the fact that I have to plug in a usb cable. Also, it may be bitcoin only (not as a separate option which is also available for models One and T)

The name is gonna be Trezor Z

Yes, they have been working on that in last few years and I was talking about it for a while in forum.

Secure Element made by Trezor with open source firmware.
I don't really care about other shitcoin support.

I don't know about that, only thing I know that device is black.  ;)
Trezor is probably going to release a bit more information about this devices in next few days.

Sounds cool, but then it  needs T1000 bad cop enemy  8)

Bitcoin Takeover podcast, Matej Zak and Vlad Costea (August 8, 2023):


https://bitcoin-takeover.com/s14-e3-matej-zak-on-trezors-new-hardware/ (https://bitcoin-takeover.com/s14-e3-matej-zak-on-trezors-new-hardware/)

You can listen to this podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts & YouTube.

The name new Trezor device doesn't matter much, as long as this hardware wallet provides a high level of protection and security. By the way, what revolutionary new will this new secret element offer, what competitors don't have?

Also, I would reformulate the phrase a little differently: "Can someone guess the name price for new Trezor device?"

Since this will be something new from Trezor, the price will surely be higher than their previous flagship model (model T). $250-300?

Hey man, check the video below, posted by JL0. They say that the price will be close to Model One.

Thank you JL0!
It was good interview and I listened important parts, and I am little disappointed to say that this new hardware wallet won't have trezor's new secure element, that won't happen until 2025 or 2026  :P
Another information I heard from Matej is that new device will have physical buttons, some new options, and price will be between €69 and €219, probably less than €100.
I was a bit overly optimistic when I first heard the news.

Interview posted above explains everything.
Price will be less than $250 for sure.

Therefore, purchasing it would be futile. Repackaging the old perfumes in a new bottle yields no change in scent.

I require a companion for my Passport 2 HW to integrate it into my multisig wallet. I held a lingering hope for a new Trezor model featuring a cutting-edge SE devoid of the shortcomings typically associated with Microchips products. Unfortunately, these hopes are unlikely to materialize this year.

Probably will wait for new ColdCard Q1 which should appear next year.

Seems like Gen-Z or strawberry generation when hearing that name. In my guess, they just changed the body design into metal and not in its entirety changed the software. The feature you mentioned (air-gapped transactions and bitcoin-only firmware) is already had on all trezor (model one and T)

When I look image vaguely, that looks vape to me.

So, it's live[1]. Here's what they released:

- Brand new wallet (Trezor Safe wallet 3) with secure element + more supported cryptocurrencies, as well as OLED screen: https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3
- Metal backup for your seedphrase
- And a limited edition bitcoin-only wallet.

If you can't access the link above, it's due to high traffic.

[1] https://decrypt.co/201014/trezor-launches-new-hardware-wallets-metal-seed-backup-crypto-beginners

So I was partially right. But why a limited edition? I think a bitcoin-only wallet would grant them higher revenue.

Trezor presented the brand new hardware wallet 'Trezor Safe 3' yesterday at the start of the Bitcoin amsterdam conference. the new hw-wallet now has a secure element for the first time, and is thus catching up with competing products such as the BitBox02 or the products from Ledger. particularly noteworthy is the strict focus on open source.
a Bitcoin-only version of the new hardware wallet will also be available. initially, this will be available as a limited edition alongside the regular version, with a chic orange back and the imprint "∞/21M". according to the manufacturer, the price of the safe 3 will be €79.
we'll have to wait and see how the new Trezor Safe 3 performs on the market.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/12/RzPV1.png https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/12/RzRDm.png

Note that the secure element is not open source. It's just a regular secure element. Pretty funny coming from the company that spent the best part of the last 10 years saying how closed source secure elements are a security risk and secure elements are unnecessary, while sweeping under the rug their unfixable seed extraction vulnerability.

It also isn't airgapped and still needs connected to the computer with a USB cable, and it also seems like you still have to enter any passphrase on the computer and not on the device itself, which remains a large security risk.

So all in all, this just looks like a rebranded Trezor One. Pretty disappointing to be honest, and still far behind some other hardware wallets on the market.

Blockstream Jade has all that and costs less  :P

Someone asked whether the SE is open source or not. The answer was:


https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1712469783281848515 (https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1712469783281848515)

Marketing stunt, nothing strange with making limited editions.


So if you want to import seedphrase, you have do it on the computer and not directly on Trezor device itself? If that is true (can someone please confirm it?), why would anyone in their right mind use them as it looks incredibly risky and something I would never do and I thought that no HW do that anymore.

I was looking forward to new Trezor models as I've been on the lookout for a new HW but if what you are saying is true, then I have to look elsewhere.

Trezor 3 Safe is a boring name, I expected something more exotic but in reality it is just upgraded Trezor model One, and maybe that is not such a bad thing.

Trezor added usb-c connection, instead of old micro-usb used on model One, and they added EAL6+ Secure Element, but I can't find information what exact model they are using and it's OPTIGA Trust M.
I also don't know what main processor they are using for Trezor 3, but it should support Monero coin, unlike Trezor One, so it's probably similar like processor from Trezor model T.

Price for Trezor 3 is $79 and I think that is not bad, but don't expect to have bigger screen with Trezor 3, it's the same size as in Trezor One.
If you don't own hardware wallet this would be a solid entry point that will stay updated well after Trezor One gets retired.
Trezor 3 is in a sense just replacement for Model One.

They literally had to make compromise, when they realized how hard is to make their own open source secure element, that is coming out in 2 years.
I won't critize Trezor for this new device, it's just refreshed model One, but we already spoke they need to do this long time ago.
Only thing they could add is bigger screen and small camera for airgapp support, but than price would be higher than $79.

Jade doesn't have secure element, they have centralized server  :D

Thanks! This is interesting.
I was looking on their website and I couldn't find what SE model they are using.
It was OPTIGA Trust M secure element, and only hardware wallet that is using secure element from this manufacturer is Keevo, that is using Infineon Optiga Trust-P.

Trezor 3 is much better than ledger and old Trezor One, and maybe you can even buy it locally.
You don't have much options elsewhere for this price  :D

Not seed phrase - passphrase.

The seed phrase will still be generated or imported on the device itself, but with Trezor One (unlike most other hardware wallets), any additional passphrase is entered on to the Trezor Suite software on the computer you are attached to, and not in to the hardware wallet itself. Obviously entering a passphrase in to a computer with an internet connection makes it very insecure, so potentially still having to do this on a brand new hardware wallet released in 2023 (when other hardware wallets haven't been doing this for years) would be very poor. There's no confirmation of this yet, though.

Edit: I've since noticed on this page (https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) that it says "device-entry passphrase", so at least that particular attack vector seems to have been removed.

There are multiple other reasons I wouldn't pick a Trezor though, even this new model or the other new model they are going to release.

Sure, but they have spent years telling everyone how not only do we not need secure elements, but that closed source secure elements can actually increase your risk. And now they implement it and call it ground breaking, as if everyone else hasn't been doing it for years already. ::)

I am following this subject for years and I know for a fact they researched and examined all available secure elements, so one they are offering now in Trezor 3 is probably best we have in the market now.
Many people including me wanted to see something like this so I don't see any problem with this, and 2 years will fly very fast, Trezor One will be retired and not available anymore.

Do you have any link with more information about this staying the same like in model One?
I know Trezor T uses entering on device, so it should not be such a hard thing to add this in Trezor 3.

Is this announced anywhere? Sorry for jumping in, I just have a trezor wallet since 2019 and I don't use it anymore, but I am curious to know.

Since their previous models are available on Croatian market, I have no doubts that Trezor Model 3 will be available too. Regarding money, I have no problems giving few hundreds of dollars if that means I will sleep better (which I should with a more secure device).


Ah I see, I don't know why how I saw seed phrase instead passphrase. Anyway, its still unnecessary risk if its true.

Yeah, it's available in this BitcoinTakeover podcast, but you can also find short clips on bitcoin takeover website.
I heard them announcing this before, but they said they will continue posting firmware updates.
https://bitcoin-takeover.com/s14-e3-matej-zak-on-trezors-new-hardware/

Than I would say Foundation Passport is probably better Bitcoin only option for hardware wallet, but you will have to wait for delivery from US, customs and you will have to give your personal information online.
I am more for something that can be purchased locally for cash without records of me doing it, especially if it's connected with bitcoin.
For people who want to have hardware wallet with Monero support, Trezor 3 is one of the better and cheaper options... I am sure not going to buy Trezor T for over $200.

I just hope that they improve the screen durability. My last trezor suffer a small dot burnt on the screen until it got covered the whole screen to make it not visible already.

Is there any noticeable feature improvement on this version that is worthy to upgrade my Trezor Model T? This hardware industry is like gadgets now that keep releasing new version with just a little bit feature improvements. Next time we have pro max version for the screen.  :D

Screen is much more realiable than on ledger devices, but I think they changed the screen model in Trezor 3.
It would be much better if they added bigger screen, but I am waiting to see first tests and reviews to say more about this device and screen.

I wrote about it in my previous posts.
This is NOT upgrade if you already own Trezor T, unless if you want to pay $79 for secure element or for device collectibles item ;)

This means that the day when Model One becomes a thing of the past has arrived today.

Now everything is clear with this Trezor Safe 3: this is a replacement for Model One, which, it seems, will be removed from sales (and production).


Here, I was undoubtedly mistaken, because if Safe 3 had been produced as a replacement for Model T, then the price could have cost something like this, but as an alternative to Model One - $79 - a very reasonable price for a device, with an updated protective element (this is the most important thing) + updated design (admit it, a slightly larger display is great) + cosmetic little things in the form of color choice (it's nice to see the possibility of a little customization).


Indeed, the name is a little boring, but you have to put up with it. I was hoping to see some letter in the name, like Model T style (Model S, Model S3?).

It seems that Trezor is just great and is doing everything right. It looks like a successful promotion and I’m sure their sales will be fine. But the time for New Year's shopping is approaching. At least they didn’t have serious f@ck up's like their closest, well-promoted competitor.

Who has already pre-ordered? :)

Even though it supports Monero and a few other cryptocurrencies that were missing on the Model One, for some reason it doesn't support some of them that were available on the older model ^{[a bit weird]}: Dropped list (https://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/17697js/what_coins_are_being_dropped_for_the_safe_3/k4kl5eb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

I haven't looked at other manufacturers to see their setup ^{[e.g. NDAs etc...]} for this particular thing, but perhaps it's not as bad as it looks:

• Quote from: https://trezor.io/learn/a/secure-element-in-trezor-safe-3
  We've also managed to source the OPTIGATM Trust M (V3) chips from a producer that does not restrict us from freely publishing potential vulnerabilities, so we can stay true to our open source philosophy.

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Considering that they're still using an OLED display ^{["a new one (https://blog.trezor.io/trezor-safe-3-makes-crypto-self-custody-easier-than-ever-heres-how-7cb97198f7e9)"]} on the Safe 3, the LCD panel on your Model T is probably more durable than that ^{[unfortunately]}!

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^{BTW, "this subreddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/17675um/the_secure_element_is_not_open_source/)" might come in handy to those who are interested in reading more about their SE.}

I just want to clarify the claims that future Trezor models will have "open source secure elements" made by TropicSquare:

https://twitter.com/zachherbert/status/1712503156721029490

Slush replied to my tweet confirming:
https://twitter.com/slush/status/1712552686342779354

Not to rain on everyone's open source parade, but all the TropicSquare chip will be is a partially open source secure element, with elements of the chip still black-box due to closed source foundry PDKs with foundry NDAs.

Nice catch.
I think they are cleaning up code for all devices and they are removing some less popular shitcoins.
I really don't care about eos, bitcoingold, dash, decreed, etc. but for someone this may be more important.

I am not sure about TropicSquare chip that should be released in 2025 or 2026, but they are using Infineon Optiga Trust M secure element in new Trezor 3 Safe, and that has MIT open source license.

Similar to the BitBox right?


https://trezor.io/learn/a/secure-element-in-trezor-safe-3 (https://trezor.io/learn/a/secure-element-in-trezor-safe-3)

Already edited my post above - looks like it will support entry on the hardware wallet. But even Trezor T still allows users to enter the passphrase on the computer instead. They really need to remove this option altogether, but they can't while people still use the Trezor One I guess (which will be the case for many years yet).

And Passport and Coldcard. But completely different to Ledger, who run BOLOS and associated applications on the secure element itself.

Its different because BitBox02 and Trezor Safe 3 both storing the seed on the MCU and not on the SE. Passport and Coldcard store the seed on the SE. If I'm wrong please correct me.

Same here, no more fucking around with ordering hardware wallets online. When I bought my first wallet back in 2017, I thought its the safest to order it directly from manufacturer (Ledger), just to have my some of my info leaked and my email spammed with crap so next wallet will be strictly bought with cash in a physical store.

Ahh right, misunderstood you before - figured you were talking about the SE at a higher level, such as the difference between these devices and Ledger.

You are correct. BitBox02 (https://bitbox.swiss/blog/best-of-both-worlds-using-a-secure-chip-with-open-source-firmware/) and Trezor Safe 3 both say the encrypted seed is stored on the MCU, with part of the decryption key stored on the SE. Passport (https://github.com/Foundation-Devices/passport-firmware/blob/main/SECURITY/SECURITY.md#32-security-feature-summary) and Coldcard (https://blog.coinkite.com/understanding-mk4-security-model/) store the encrypted seed on the SE itself, on the other hand.

The bitcoin only version is sold out https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3-bitcoin-only

As I said, I think if it wasn't a limited edition they would drastically increase their revenue.

I am guessing that once the new chip is ready, they will start installing it into new versions of one or both of those two wallets you just mentioned. The Trezor Safe 3 already has a secure element by a different company. I don't know how challenging it would be to change the design and incorporate this new chip into it. Maybe they will even delay the release of the second new hardware wallet just enough to finish their new SE and build it into the new model. I really don't think we will also see a 3rd hardware wallet by Trezor in the space of just a few years that will use this upcoming chip.


Luckily for those who will buy this device for altcoins, the list isn't that long and doesn't contain many "big" names. EOS and Dash are relatively popular, but with the former being completely silent for years and the latter having a flawed privacy feature.


I have been saying that since I read their early announcement about their upcoming SE that was posted here in Czech. They said that open-sourcing everything is too big of a security risk, so they will try to make it as open-source as possible.


It's still not late to change their mind. If the users love it, get a second batch going.

Or maybe they wouldn't sell so many so fast if it wasn't a limited edition.  ;)

I thought that in the current models (the Trezor 1 and the Trezor Model T), whether it is bitcoin ONLY or multi-coin is a kind of a software setup.  So when you initially set up the device, you can choose whether to set up for bitcoin only or for multi-coin.. and if you want to change back to the other, then you have to erase the device and start over. 

Or maybe I am wrong.. in the older devices it is firm ware, but the firmware can still be changed back and forth, no?

So now, in the newer version, there is a kind of difference in the hardware that the consumer has to choose which one and cannot elect how to set it up after receiving it?

Previously, Trezor released 4 firmwares for its wallets: 2 for Trezor one and 2 for Trezor T. Firmware only for Bitcoin and firmware for all other coins can be reinstalled at will.
The process for installing Bitcoin-only firmware is different from installing regular firmware. You must first download the firmware only for Bitcoin to your computer, here are the installation instructions:
https://blog.trezor.io/sources-say-orange-coin-good-new-bitcoin-only-firmware-now-available-47be0b611a4d

I think that with Trezor safe 3 (the usual model for all coins) everything will be similar and it will be possible to install both versions. And the Trezor safe 3 bitcoin only version model will have the ability to install firmware only for Bitcoin.

I have been using bitcoin only software on  my Trezors for years now.  It works fine without adding attack vectors that other coin software may add  ----- > since I am not storing those on my hardware wallets.

I still scratch a "tin foil hat tingling" at the thought of a secure element lacking full open source observation.  Sure the software is going to remain open source, but a bad actor using a proprietary secure element has options "behind the curtain".  [popcorn]

Secure elements are usually very simple dumb chips with only one or two functions, but not all secure elements are equal.
I think that Passport, Coldcard, Bitbox, Onekey, Keystone3 and maybe few more hardware wallets, all use the same (or similar) secure element now.

Optiga Trust M secure element IS open source with MIT license, and it is used for many other devices, not just for Trezor hardware wallet.

Sorry to bother you again!
The new Trezor wallet has arrived, and I have some confusion:
1) I need a secure wallet to store altcoins, and I believe Trezor should be the best choice. It is the most famous among open-source wallets and has the least possibility of having a backdoor. Even for Trezor, the number of users is only slightly over a million (1M+, according to the official website). Other open-source hardware wallets (altcoin wallet, not bitcoin only) have few users and less attention, making them less secure.
2) I previously bought 4 trezor one, intending to use for many years. However, hardware wallet companies release product quickly. Should I only buy one of each generation of products? The passphrase for Trezor One is entered via the computer, while Trezor safe 3 has an input on the hardware wallet itself. I want to buy a Trezor safe 3 from the Trezor Amazon store since buying directly from the official website incurs high shipping costs. Additionally, after obtaining new hardware wallet, is it necessary to change the seed phrases and passphrase?

Your question is not very clear, I hope you don't mean that hardware wallets are usually being shipped with some "default" seed phrases and passphrases. If you notice something like that, you should immediately withdraw your coins to a wallet you already have, break a bought hardware wallet with a hammer, and then throw away this malicious hardware wallet. If you buy a hardware wallet from an official store or retailer, the chances of getting a malicious wallet are slim, but you still should be very careful. Should you import your existing seed phrase into a brand-new wallet? It depends. If you feel your previous secrets haven't been compromised, then it would be the fastest way to transfer coins between different wallets. Otherwise, you will have a hard time sending coins address by address to preserve the privacy of your transactions.

I would advocate generating new seed phrases and a passphrase for your newly acquired device before transferring your funds from the old wallet. Otherwise, why invest in the new model? You should expect that the level of randomness generated by the new model is superior to that of the old Trezor. Consequently, the new seed generated by the new model is preferable.

Not that mean.

Thank your suggestion.

This generically sounding paragraph comes off as something a bot would write.

#just saying.

Having less attention doesn't necessarily make you less secure. In fact it may be the exact opposite.


Some years ago (before going Bitcoin-only) I bought a Trezor One and I used it for some altcoins. I was good. I haven't been informed though lately, because since 2020 I am bitcoin-only, so I don't use this wallet (or any other altcoin wallet).

That's exactly how it is with the older versions. During the onboarding stage, you need to pick between the Bitcoin-only and multi-coin firmware. And you can, of course, reset the device at anytime and install the other firmware.

I don't think there is any difference hardware-wise. The difference is in the design of the case. Trezor released two different cases. The universal model is black, front and back. The limited Bitcoin-only version (that is already sold out) comes with an orange back cover and inscription saying 21 million or something like that. But I think both of them support both types of firmware. 

You may be right. I found user reviews of different wallets on the bitbox website. see https://bitbox.swiss/bitbox02/#compare and https://www.trustpilot.com/review/bitbox.swiss
I compared several kinds of wallets and recorded the theft situation myself, as follows:

Trezor,     User score: 3.5,  Number of reviews: 405,   Number of stolen users: 12, Some details: Robert in AU, 160,000$ stolen; Curtis in US, 100,000$ stolen; Donald in US, 60,000$ stolen; Voodoo in AU, 0.4BTC stolen.
Ledger,    User score: 2.8,  Number of reviews: 1559, Number of stolen users: 12, Some details: Di in IT, 1 eth stolen; Ale in AU, 0.33BTC stolen.
Keepkey,  User score: 2.4,  Number of reviews: 290, Number of stolen users: 1, Some details: Gennady, 5000$ stolen.
BitBox,     User score: 4.9,  Number of reviews: 547, Number of stolen users: None
Keystone, User score: 4.2,  Number of reviews: 47,   Number of stolen users: None
Onekey,   User score: 3.5,  Number of reviews: 56,   Number of stolen users: None

The theft of the Trezor hardware wallet is the most serious. Is it possible that there is a bad man inside the Trezor company who left a backdoor in the manufacturing process of a small number of wallets? And the genuine firmware of Trezor and Trezor Suite did not recognize it?

Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Definitely not.

Trezor is open source, so if there was something shady in the code you would hope (but can't guarantee) that someone in the community would have picked it up and publicized it. If you aren't able to examine the entire source code yourself, then this is the best you can hope for.

In terms of the "stolen" reviews you have found - do any of them actually provide any details? It is easy for a competitor to post fake reviews, and we've also seen countless users on this forum make posts blaming their hardware wallet for the funds being stolen, and it almost always turns out to be a mistake the user has made instead (such as storing their seed phrase in their emails). I wouldn't pick a Trezor device for many reasons, their anti-privacy and pro-censorship stance being the main one, but I also doubt any of these "stolen" reviews are true.

You can even raise the more general concern. Is it possible that there is a bad entity (located, let's say, in China) outside Trezor company that produces counterfeits of wallets? I would not answered negatively. Even if such company doesn't exist today it can appear tomorrow.  Thus, it is always better to buy the stuff directly from brand.

Well I have heard rumours about Trezor funds being stolen. I have heard of someone who claimed money loss but he had forgotten his passphrase. This means that it wasn't due to the company. Here is another example of this situation: https://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/sfpotu/lost_passphrase/

Let's say that a company ABC produces a HW and you buy it and use it. After a month, you lose an amount of BTC. In my opinion, chances are almost 100% that it is a user mistake, provided of course that the HW and the company ABC is reputable and trusted, and provided that you have bought it straight from the company and not from a reseller.

It all comes down to us after all. I have also lost a small amount of money from a hot wallet I owned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461230.0 . Personally I had made a ton of mistakes, so...

I have carefully reviewed the stolen comments and have difficulty to confirm the true reason. I am not a professional, but I believe that there is no problem for Trezor firmware and Trezor Suite, only the hardware itself may have problems. If a backdoor is left on a small amount of hardware, ordinary users and professionals cannot detect it. Of course, if the Trezor firmware can effectively eliminate the harm of fake hardware wallets, then it can only be users' errors.

It is fact that there are many cheaters in China.  I bought two Trezor One from the Trezor official website, and another two from the Trezor store on Amazon.

Yes, the high probability is that the users' own errors. Getting professionals' opinions make newbies like me feel ease.  o_ e_ l_ e_o said:"Just one incident can wipe me out."  It's better to be cautious.

You're not required to erase your device, but it's best to use it with a new set of seed phrases ^{[and a passphrase]}.

Yes, and it takes around a minute to complete: Firmware switching (https://streamable.com/wiz4ex)

There's an easier way that's been around for more than a year: Trezor Suite added an "easy" way to "directly" install Bitcoin-only firmware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410567.0)

They released four different backplates... Apart from the cosmic black, you can choose the stellar silver and solar gold as well.

You have said yourself that you are a newbie, so what are you basing your assumptions on? Simple believing it isn't enough.

Yes, you are correct. The universal model comes with 4 different back covers. You forgot to mention the pink one as well. So, the total count is 5 back covers, 4 for the Universal model and the orange one for the Bitcoin-only Trezor.

Sure just make sure to choose carefully who you trust.

First reviews for new Trezor 3 Safe hardware wallet are slowly coming out, and first one I saw was from Decrypt.
Trezor uses brushed aluminum in Trezor 3 back side but it has small flaws in design of rough finish, so it doesn't really have that premium look and feel, but maybe this the case only for review units.
Packaging is different compared to older version of hardware wallet, but setting up wallet is very similar like before.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/26/TVjOw.jpeg
https://decrypt.co/202808/trezor-safe-3-review-hardware-wallet-bitcoin-newcomers

From latest reply received from Trezor I found out that Trezor won't be releasing .stl files for 3d printing, like they did for older models One and T.
I am a bit disappointed about this, but Trezor said they want to avoid easy cloning of their devices, as if that will prevent anyone from doing this.
I hope we are going to see someone scanning and releasing community made stl version for creating DIY Trezor 3.

This may sound weird, but I like this kind of packaging more since we no longer have to literally destroy the box in order to get to the HW itself... Having said that, I didn't like how they wrapped their devices with sticky paper that left glue residue in the crevices ^{[the back cover of the Model One was better]}.
^{- I also have mixed feelings about the tamper-evident seal on the device since it gives a false sense of security!}

Yeah I agree, it looks much better.

I didn't notice that about sticky paper, but tamper evident seal is just a security theater, always has been, and it's not that hard to replicate them.

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Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.
This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

Article about this incident:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/trezor-investigates-new-phishing

"According to Trezor’s brand ambassador, Josef Tetek, the firm is aware of the ongoing phishing campaign and is actively looking into it." mentioned in the article (https://cointelegraph.com/news/trezor-investigates-new-phishing), but why haven't they informed their users about this possible phishing threat yet? And this is done by anonymous blockchain sleuth ZachXBT.

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

Also, it is not always possible to buy a hardware wallet device in your location and then you will inevitably have to buy online. In this case, it is better to act as the hero of this story in the article and register a separate email address for purchase from manufacturer (Trezor, for example), which you should not use anywhere else and never open emails from this email in order to avoid phishing emails. Only if you don't make a purchase from Trezor and don't confirm this action.

if you wear a covid mask and a baseball cap gloves and black sweatpants with black boots and walk out of the store get in a bike and into a location without cameras . you would likely be okay.

That's being way too paranoid than what is a healthy dosage. If you start thinking like that, you will never walk into a bank to take cash from your account or use an ATM because those have cameras as well.

You are not leaving digital traces if you purchase from a shop in person. You are not filling out an online form with your private information and leave details about your financial data. You are also not revealing your address and where you live. All that gets saved in a central database that can be hacked and leaked online as we have seen many time. CCTV camera footage can also leak, but no one is going to sit there analyzing who bought what and be on the lookout for hardware wallet buyers to try identify and target them.

This is completely different and should not be compared. The bank already has all the detailed information about you, your account, balance and transactions, as well as scans of your ID documents, biometrics. Banking cameras are the least evil that lives there.

In the case of cryptocurrencies and HW devices, no one knows who you are, what you have in your wallet and in what quantity, until you yourself “leak” information about it somewhere. By leaving any “strings” for your identification, be it a photo on a camera, you leave a loophole for the “vector” of attack. Let everyone determine the degree of their paranoia, because the consequences will only affect them.

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

While trying not to leave your traces when purchasing online, we must not forget about the possible traces left behind offline. Offline purchases are not a 100% solution to this problem, that’s all.


As are the times, so are the ways to protect your privacy. :)

Who are you protecting yourself from exactly? The person behind the counter and everyone else working in the shop where you buy your hardware wallet or someone who might hack or gain access to the security camera footage recording you as you are purchasing your device? Perhaps it's both.

Here is some more food for thought for the paranoid. If you park your personal car in front or close to the shop, those malefactors you spoke about can take note of your license plate as you leave the shop with your new hardware wallet. 

I agree with you. In this case, both options are possible, each of which can pose a threat.

Perhaps should protect yourself from everyone or have you forgotten the law of the jungle? There will always be people who want easy money, especially when the victim makes their task easier.

I didn’t think of this myself. Paranoid people should take note of this, in case it comes in handy for someone. Also, paranoid people should not take their phone with them, so as not to be tracked (not identified) by the cellular signal. When various technical devices surround at every turn, the risk of screwing up only increases. I don't impose this point of view. Let everyone make a choice according to their convictions.

A little off topic: Do you know what kind of paranoia Hemingway had all his life? But over time it was confirmed that he was right, and not at all paranoid.

The Trezor team released a Q&A a few days ago where they answered several common questions about the new Trezor Safe 3. Nothing spectacular or revealing there, but you can check it out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yok2uANTFg if you are interested. They briefly mention the new secure element and support for 12/24-word seeds. They confirmed that they are planning to ship the Trezor Safe 3 preorders mid-November. So everything is moving according to plan. 

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it. I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

Or a review for the universal model for that matter. They are the same wallets with identical hardware powering them. The only difference is in the design of the back cover.

As I said in my previous post and after watching the Trezor Q&A:

It's the same like regular version of Trezor 3, and as far as I heard only difference is bitcoin-only firmware and different back plate color/design.
I talked with Trezor team about releasing .stl files for case, that would be cool for DIY projects, but they won't release them in public this time.  :P

Trezor has announced over social media that they have started shipping the Trezor Safe 3 device to those who pre-ordered their hardware wallets.
They have also announced discounts that will start with Black Friday Week in 6 days.
https://content.trezor.io/black-week-2023

I saw their announcement about Black Friday discount and I hope it won't be for accessories, silicone masks, and everything else except for hardware wallets, like they did in previous years  :P
Let's wait and see what happens in next few days, but this could be a good chance to spend some gains from this bull run.

It's going to be a combination of everything. They are talking about hardware wallets, wallet accessories, and special promotions for bundles. They are calling it their biggest sale of the year, so hopefully it's not a marketing trick.
https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1724080857000944028

Whatever happens, they might piss off their clients who purchased the Trezor Safe 3 during pre-order stage at full price. They just started shipping those. And now if they offer a 20-50% discount on the same product, those who preordered it aren't going to be very happy about it. But I think the biggest discount for their hardware wallet products will be for the Trezor T to avoid exactly that.

You have a point, but considering that the Safe 3 is the only HW that doesn't have any bundle listings in Trezor, I think that's where they'd be giving the discounts in order to minimize its impact on those who ordered only a single Safe 3 wallet.

Same here, and that's the only way to justify getting that HW with its overinflated price tag.

Keeping in mind their previous history on Black Friday events, I would not be surprised if these incoming offers ended up being quite underwhelming. Last year even Ledger had better offers than them, which is quite disappointing, if we remember how popularity of ledger has decreased because their lastest software and recovery choices for their clients.
It this new Trezor 3 does not come with a discount up to a 20%, I would not even bother to track an international package and pay a freight forwarder for a such a lackluster saving of money.  ::)

I may even take a look better the Jade wallet have got some offers this year instead of Trezor.

I doubt Blockstream will give any discounts for their Jade hardware wallet, but it's so easy to create your own DIY Jade cheaper than this, without leaving any personal information to Blockstream.
You can already load Jade firmware on bunch of dirt cheap ESP32 devices like TTGO (Lilygo) T-Display, M5Stack M5StickC PLUS, M5Stack Basic Core, M5Stack FIRE, etc.
https://github.com/Blockstream/Jade/tree/master/diy

Let's not forget that we had the COVID pandemic, disruptions in normal shipping routes, chip shortage, inflation... All those factors contributed to a globally weak economy where you can't expect massive discounts ad good deals as every company and business went into survival mode.

Speaking of Ledger, I wonder what they will do to try and regain the trust of their customers, which isn't going to be easy. This isn't the thread to discuss that, but let's see what they come up with.

Now that we know Trezor won't be offering any discount for their new Trezor 3 Safe hardware wallet, we can move on and see what other people who reviewed it think about it.
The CryptoDad (https://youtu.be/RD8_sLE8-F8) recently released detailed unboxing and review video (https://youtu.be/RD8_sLE8-F8), and I can say that Trezor really improved packaging for Trezor 3 Safe.
New device is still mostly plastic but it uses better materials and it looks more quality than older hardware wallets from Trezor.
If you already used Trezor One you won't have any problem getting used to new Trezor 3 Safe wallet, because it has very similar interface.

Looks like they are back in stock or am I wrong? The last time I looked, they were only available for pre-order.

I dont care about plastic or other materials that were used. For me, the most important thing is the security of the device. If I compare it with the security of the Trezor One, I can only recommend the new model.
Neither the Model T nor the Model One have a secure chip with the EAL6+ standard. This shows that Trezor focuses on the important things and does not release some fancy devices to generate the greatest profit.

They are back in stock BUT only if their website is working   :P
There are some issues ion their website with cloudflare and/or they use bad hosting service.

I became freak for more quality and more durable materials in everything I use, and if that means better plastic than I will take it.
Recently I had to 3d print some parts in plastic to replace my broken stuff, and this filament is much better than original cheat plastic.
Compared with ledger I still think that even older Trezor devices use better plastic material.

The Trezor Safe 3 model (https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-3) is worth for 79$ while the trezor model T is worth 219$ (https://trezor.io/trezor-model-t). However you can get it for 153$ on the black Friday discount.

My question is that even though  Trezor Safe 3 model is a new device, the Trezor Model T still remains the highest end device at Trezor and if you can afford it, you should opt for this Model T ?

I received the Safe 3 yesterday, I love how the back plate looks showing you also which number device you received out of the 2013. You also get a little thank you post card from Slush & Stick the founders which was a nice addition. Annoyingly I'm not able to use it just yet as I want to make a multi-sig wallet on Sparrow using it but it doesn't have compatibility on HWI with it being a new device. Does anyone know how long it usually takes for it to be supported? The issue has already been raised on the Github repo.
https://i.postimg.cc/zGPgnhbr/received-710745347646373.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5y3HjQdD/received-365924669145609.jpg

Hmm... it's funny that Trezor is not listing any third party BTC wallets except Exodus at the moment, and that is the case for all their hardware wallets.
I am not 100% sure but I think there was Electrum wallet listed before, and for Sparrow you need to talk with their developers.
https://trezor.io/coins

Orange wallet looks cool, and you can still use it as single-sig wallet to see how everything works.
You can easily erase it later and start from scratch.

Black Friday week has just passed and Trezor already has a new discount for its customers. They are now offering free worldwide shipping until 15 December on all purchases. I am pretty sure we will also see special offers for Christmas and New Years Eve.

This can be considered a first real ''discount'' for new Trezor Safe 3 model, and they are back in stock now (multi-coin version).
However, new orders are shipping in 2 weeks, so don't expect speedy delivery.

I order a rose colored one today. I will post when I get it.

I did get the free shipping.

I will now have all three models

It seems I am unlucky. I pre-ordered Trezor Safe-3, and they delivered it through UPS. I have checked the tracking number, which has marked delivered but I haven't received anything yet. I raised a ticket on Trezor and UPS but haven't gotten any reply yet for almost 10 days. I intended to leave Ledger and start using Trezor. I am not sure if I can eventually find my device. I am still waiting for their response.

I hope you get your device eventually. But when you get it, I suggest you be careful and check that the device is in its original packaging and that it has not been tampered with. You never know...

If you're checking it with the UPS tracker or one of those universal trackers, I'd recommend using only local trackers to get the most accurate status updates ^{[I had similar issues in the past (not with Trezor, other stuff) and this helped me figure things out about my package]}.

I have enough faith that they can't scam me. Because when I use a new device, I always reset it to see if everything is working fine. Then I create a new seed phrase to make sure even device-tempered funds aren't at risk. So I am really not worried about it, but I am worried about losing the device. I need the device as soon as possible because I need to move funds from Ledger to Trezor.

This must be ''magic'' of delivery services... only in very rear cases they work like swiss clocks.  :P
I don't understand how UPS can report something to be delivered if it is not, but your issue could be related with holiday season or with your specific location.
There are few people I know who ordered Trezor 3 and they received it fairly quickly, after waiting a bit longer for package to be sent by Trezor.

The new Trezor hardware wallet seems more popular than the company likely expected at first, which could explain why some customers are seeing delays in getting their orders.  Given all the recent issues with Ledger data breaches and stuff, I get why people are looking to switch to Trezor right now.   

I've had a bunch of friends tell me they plan to throw out their Ledger wallets because of the lousy things Ledger's done lately.  Can't say I blame em.  If my private financial info got leaked like that, I'd be shopping around for something more secure too

I think location isn't an issue here. I have been receiving my online orders at this address. I have included my mobile number too, so they might call me as well. UPS support isn't responding at all. I hope to get a refund from Trezor. They sent me a letter today and attached a form to sign about the lost parcel. I have to wait for redundancy. Likely, I will order from another country where my friend is staying. He had ordered before and received it as well. Let's see what happens. I will update here on what's happened eventually.

@The Cryptovator,
It's holiday season, give them some more time. The package might still show up. I once received a replacement package weeks before the original shipment showed up. I have also had packages delivered to friends from Amazon that were left in front of buildings by their unintelligent work force. Unfortunately, it's a mixed bag of experiences with these delivery guys.

I got the full refund. I raised a ticket with Trezor about the missing device. Although they are quite slow, eventually I received my refund. They gave me two options: either a new device they would send or a refund. So I chose the refund, and I ordered through my friend in another country who had received the device previously. So far, I am satisfied with how much Trezor cares about its users. But I boycott UPS due to their worst services. I won't use their service ever.

It's always like that when a company needs to compensate you for damages or issue a refund, then there is a whole procedure going on in the background. But eventually, anyone who cares about their business and/or reputation solves the issues to the customers satisfaction.

What you experienced, wasn't caused by Trezor. It's UPS or whoever was moving the shipment that messed up. What does their tracking say? Does it indicate that the parcel was delivered to your address and signed by you or what? What's the usual procedure in your country? Are packages shipped to the exact addresses or do the delivery guys also deliver to a neighbor or a local business in the neighborhood if they can't get hold of you? Perhaps someone picked it up pretending to be you or the package was stolen from you.     

Has UPS already had such incidents and cases? So that packages would be opened or worse, the contents would be replaced.

The reason for the delay and loss of the parcel in this case is unlikely to be the Trezor’s fault.

What was the final response from UPS? Why were there problems with the parcel and do they admit that the service they provide is bad?

How do you imagine stealing a package for the sake of a Trezor Safe 3 (Safe 3 sounds ironic in the context of this incident) while pretending to be the real recipient? In the spirit of "Mission Impossible"? :)

If the theft (or loss) of a parcel took place in this story, then only among the UPS’s employees.

I guess you don't live or have heard of countries and places where people steal packages from people's doorsteps without knowing the content. They can't know what is inside it because the courier company puts it in either an envelope or a box, depending on the size of the shipment. It's not Mission Impossible.

And like I said, the shipments from Amazon are far from a reliable service. They will just leave it somewhere and tell you where you can pick it up so that they can finish for the day. That's why I asked the OP how the delivery guys usually handle deliveries and how professional the couriers in his surroundings are.

One update regarding spaced addresses in Trezor, I can confirm that new Trezor 3 safe have the option to show them both in Trezor Suite and in Trezor device.
Simply select Spaced instead of Continuous in Address display menu settings, and all Bitcoin addresses will be easier to read.
Trezor Suite also released beta version with new wipe code that can erase all data on the Trezor device as additional protective measure.
Note that Trezor One is still showing old style continuous addresses.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/16/31RiD.jpeg

I just saw this; from the product page, it looks like it's not airgapped, is it? I see no camera or microSD card slot. It seems like a refresh of the Model One, especially looking at the low price tag. That's nice, but I expected more from Trezor.

Just from my first impression, I think that putting a plastic screen flush with the device's case is a bad decision; the recessed screen in Model One made it pretty resistant against scratches or other damage, meanwhile this one reminds me of Shift Crypto's BitBox02 which scratches easily.

Also the case which sits right above the main circuit board, might allow for non-intrusive / not noticeable hardware attacks as have been performed on the Model One:

If you are asking about Trezor 3 than no it's not airgapped device.
This is just refreshed version of Trezor One with additional secure element, better processor and few little improvements.
For price of €79 I think this is the best you can get, but I am sure Trezor is working on airgapped device with their own secure element.

Simple aftermarket foil (like for casio watches) is going to do wonders for protection screen of this device.
On my old Trezor One device I still have original factory foil, but on Trezor 3 they added dark black protection foil that needs to be fully removed from device.

They didn't accept their mistakes yet. From the central office, they don't respond at all. Then I mailed it to the regional department in my country. Unfortunately, they forward the mail to another cargo service, and it has been cc'd to me. After that, they disappeared. I haven't gotten any more replies from there. So I was obliged to contact trezor support, and they investigated the situation. After investigating, they gave me two options: either get a new device or get a full refund. I agree to a refund since I can't trust UPS anymore. And I am happy with Trezor's response; they refunded the full funds. So definitely, I am going to use Trezor and order from another country through my friend. I am waiting for Trezor again.

Someone had forwarded me this article, which largely seems to say that some Trezor support contact information such as e-mails and phone numbers had gotten hacked/breached going back to December 2021... and it also states that Trezor contacted affected users.

https://dailyhodl.com/2024/01/22/hardware-wallet-trezor-says-66000-of-its-users-affected-in-data-breach-last-week/

Without a doubt this is bad, but it can happen. To be honest Trezor contacted me in the past saying some of my personal data were leaked. Then they contacted me again saying that the previous mail was a scam.

I reckon that a company that is supposed to specialise in security systems, shouldn't behave like this , but you know sometimes things like these can happen.

The reason I am saying this is because I think the period matches the one mentioned in the article so it could be the same thing...

I believe the problem is that they are so big that it's hard to run their 'promotional' stuff themselves (newsletters, support system, E-Mail ...). It's easier to use 'something as a service' than to host and maintain all the infrastructure yourself. That's why it's possible to both make a secure product, and simultaneously have insecurities in your customer data handling (which is terrible for privacy!).

However, we've seen from Foundation Devices (https://foundationdevices.com/privacy/) that it's possible:

I get your point, I don't like what happened to me either.

For me foundation devices is top notch. I don't think they are as big as Trezor though, as you said.

Another thing to consider is that the "Passport" is bitcoin-only, but Trezor supports multiple coins. As I have said in the past, when I was first introduced to cryptocurrencies I owned some altcoins, until 2021 when I fully moved to Bitcoin only. During this period I came across too many scammers. I think that's where the scammers shine, in the altcoins. You know, like Ponzi schemes, fake ICOs, NFTs etc. So, to this extend, I think trezor may be a "better" target for scamming.

Yeah, but now it's much harder to apologize to everyone because of silly mistake like this.
This was always the weak link for ordering anything from internet, support, shipping, handling personal data, etc.  and that is why I always recommend purchasing locally with cash whenever possible.
If something is not available in your country or city, I would take some cheap flight and go in country where I can purchase that item personally.
And very simple solutions for most email phishing attacks is using email aliases and temp emails, it's a life changer.

I think it's finally time for Trezor to seriously change some things and stop doing the same mistakes like ledger did.

Good point, but Trezor also has bitcoin only firmware and they released bitcoin only devices before.
Maybe that is why ledger was most targeted of all hardware wallets.

Wow, sounds like a radical solution to the problem. Kind of difficult though, depending on where you live. But I like that your answer is privacy-centered.


Yeah I guess... I don't know if the firmware is the problem. I mean the issue here is that their customers' emails have been leaked. So the problem is on their servers and not on the devices. I suppose hackers target Trezor because they are one of the biggest players out there. To be honest, I think trezor wallets are very easy to use, so they have a broad audience. Ledger too of course, but Ledger also has some other (more severe) issues that we have already discussed extensively in the forum. I own a trezor since 2019 and I am ok with it, but I don't use it since 2021 when I moved to better cold storage options.

the new hardware wallet interface (hwi) 2.4.0 version now also offers support for trezor safe 3 - big thanks flying to @achow101 :)
you can download the new version under the following link: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI/releases/tag/2.4.0 (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI/releases/tag/2.4.0)
and here you can find more information about hwi: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI)

Eventually, I received my new trezor Safe3 wallet. It seems using the Trezor wallet is a bit more complicated than the Ledger wallet. And not much coin support like BNB. For that, you need to use a third-party wallet like Metamask. It seems they are not allowed to use mobile devices for setting ledgers. Otherwise, ask for setup through the Web version. Though turning off the Internet works during setup trezor, I don't feel secure with the Web version. So I have to setup trezor through my computer by tomorrow. I will update you on it by tomorrow.