Bitcoin Forum

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This is the place where:

○ You can submit a complaint!
○ Your complaint will be examined by the NODE COMMITTEE
○ You Will get a decision, about the associated accounts!

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○ A complaint can be submitted either by posting in this thread your explanation of why you were wrong accused, the giving situation that made you create more accounts, or intention that was misunderstood! Also don't mind to attach useful info, that the Committee can find useful in the decisional process!  
○ Also if you prefer you can pm us, if you wan't to keep your situation private!
○ The Complaint will be registered under a CASE #! Which will be included in to the spreadsheet, for the committee to examine!
○ You will be able to verify the outcome of your case in the public spreadsheet link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfiENBwOG2uoE_1yJop0-rIJkoSS9xQBkXTLOC1OoyU/edit?usp=sharing)

 - Committee interaction with the case:
○ The members will have access to a document that will contain: Proof of association mainly by IP, your case request, and access to the Log Server to verify and validate the proof. Also they will access this thread and any other information, that will prove your value to the community, like interaction, activity, etc.

○ They will form an opinion and vote according to it!

Added: Node representatives that answered our request are :dzarmush      hypersire      schnötzel      patmast3r   ! They will judge each case!

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It is not secret anymore that our team used the IP Log in order to spot the puppets! But as we stated this method isn't 100% sure to identify them!

It will highlight the associated accounts by IP, but not the relationship between them! It is the same thing as sending a payment from one wallet!
But at the same time it spotted a multitude of associated accounts by IP! As an example there was a Chinese user that created 45 puppets, using the same IP address! But until we showed him that, he stated that the accusation was a lie!

Situation witch the committee will decide:
- The Common Tor Idea - Even if you used tor to hide your presence, don't forget about the LOG! If you have multiple accounts and you logged into all of them consecutively, you will be treated as a puppet master! Just one situation for example, the same things refers to VPN!
- Relationship between accounts - declaring that this or those accounts were made for my friends/colleagues/family will be decided by the committee depending of your value to the committee. But as a reference i think that the community will give favor for those that have 1,2 associated accounts!

That will be it for the moment!

If you guys have any ideas on how to make this method better, or to add your 2 cents, don't hesitate to post it in the thread!

Thank you for your patience, and if you consider that your reputation was affected, we apologize, and we will make sure do do it public after we finish with this step.

Also i would like you to know, that we don't have grudges agains you! We are just trying to make this coin a success and if we allow people to have multiple hidden accounts, it will only harm the coin! We are looking to protect their as well as your investment! Hope you understand!

P.S.

Recently there were some Myths that appeared on the Main Thread, so i think its time To invite Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman to BUST THEM OUT:

○ Myth 1: The devs will keep the coins from the Puppet removal
              
               No way guys, as it was initially  established - The Community / Member FUND is 60% of Total 1B! And it will stay that way!

                                         Myth BUSTED


○ Myth 2: NODE is not a inovational Idea
            
                We are the first to implement this technology in the crypto! And if you think that node.js is not innovative... then my friend you are not well informed, for starters check these pages: WIKI (https://www.google.md/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNode.js&ei=XA_AU_nJK8n07AazioG4Cw&usg=AFQjCNF8BEh_NFuYYyCP23PkGQv_TnE8aw&sig2=yVgJ16rCS_qgF1pIQRFEuw&bvm=bv.70810081,d.bGE) & NODEJS.org (http://nodejs.org/)

                                         Myth BUSTED
                

Hi, my account is labeled like puppet  P66.
Me, and my wife are stakeholders (labeled as P66-2accounts)

I paid stake from my btc addres, and i send money to her btc addres so that she can join to the project.
Same thing i did on NEM (first i ask UF).

((if i was a puppet i would send money from my btc address to some exchange and then send money to new btc address))

I'm active on this forum and also this thread, and she is active to.
I belive in this coin and i'm not a puppet.

please consider this.

Regards, Mladen

There should be an odd number of committee members: 3, 5, 7. Otherwise we can vote 50/50.

This thread needs countdown, or set deadline date to submit a case to the court  IMO

Please see your main thread for pictures of me and stuipooi123 proving we are not puppets thanks. he lives with me hence the same ip. would appreciate not been labelled as a puppet. thanks

Hey guys!  Puppet Master 88 (P88) here.  I've been identified along with the account created by my fiance (GatorJMT).  I don't think anything fancy had to be done to track us down as the IP address is probably identical.  I would ask that you remove the puppet designation from both accounts, we are both active in the Crypto community (I am VERY active) and would appreciate this concession.

If you need any further proof that we both exist and have ownership of our respective accounts, let me know what that might be and I will do my best to quickly comply.

Best Regards,

-blue

Hi guys, just noticed on nxtl.eu that theres a problem with our stakes. Actually I still dont know how many stakes one person can claim. We missed out on NEM but were glad to see that there was a REAL competitor in NXTL. I thought that that you could pay for a partner too, similar to NEM. She is ZTP62(1067).. We have a flatmate too who is also really enthusiastic about the newstyle cryptocurrencies, she is smartbomb (1076). My member number is 1171.

I am really sorry if we broke any rules. We have been telling everybody about what we are doing and all 3 of us meet loads of people daily through work and our social life. its a real dissapointment to have our stakes taken off us but if thats the rules then so be it.

The crazy thing is that we all have a computer each but we thought it would be ok to use the same one.  We didnt realise that the stakes would be scrutinized so much.

We would be grateful if some leniency was shown by you guys. We will keep our fingers crossed.

As I already said I haven't got a slightest idea who are these people and what I'm doing in this company.
Aladin
John holmes
PtBrennan
LexusFly
JCann83
Obarr88
Kolomoy

If we all have the same IP just check it in Tor database, 100% you'll find it there.

It´s not that simple. I say "fairness" in this case can´t be a judgement based on 67/33 % majority (That´s the case if there are 3 judges).   With 5 (60/40%) and 7 (57/43%) judges it´s even worser.
With 4 judges there is a 75/25 majority. ( btw. we need 9 judges with a 7/2 result to get a tiny better 77,77% majority)

result: Fairest and realizable judgement will be with 4 judges.

Or i´m wrong?
 

Following your logic the best number of judges is 1 :) 100% majority, what can be better.

What would we do if we split 50/50?

Investigate again!?


edit:

"Following your logic the best number of judges is 1 Smiley 100% majority, what can be better....."

 :D

But with only 1 judge there´s no majority

edit2:

I´m hoping we will have 100% with 4 judges in general  :)

Btw I've found NEMoon and BitEugene labeled. I can vouch for both. I got them into cryptocurrencies after I made a few bucks and saw the potential. BitEugene is my best friend. I know him since 12 or so. Over 19 years by now. NEMoon is my partner. We run photography business together since 2004. We all invested in Nxt, Qora, bought stakes in Nem and Node and many other currencies. So they're two different people not one with two accounts.

What's your position, by the way? )

That's mine:
1. Unlabel all groups of 2 people without questioning. If anybody wanted to make puppets he wouldn't stop with just one and would make at least 5-10. Also there is absolutely not any chance to prove that 2 account are puppets, not family/friends/roommates.
2. Check IPs of groups of 3 people. Unlabel everybody with Tor/Corporate/Education IPs.
3. Take a closer look on groups of 4-5 people with Tor IPs. If they didn't sign up to 4-5 accounts in a raw within few minutes unlabel them also.
4. PM all other people and ask them to explain how come they have the same IP as people in their groups.
5. See how it goes and think what to do.

If devs have more evidences than IPs we need to take them into consideration of course.

i 100% agree with all above

Hi
Somehow I ended up on the puppet list as p67. I am TOR user. Please remove my puppet status.
thanks

Hello,

please remove the puppet tag from me and my roomate (P91). Don't know what/how to prove any more...I'm the Bitcoin enthusiast and he's just trying out with the one or other hint I give him.
If you need any more information, please let us now.

Also sorry for getting angry on the main thread. I just thought everything was already decided and got the feeling to get scammed again.

100% agree.
I'm also curious about the "secret method" to find sockpuppets

 :-X 

Hi,

I got deleted from stakeholderlist because of beeing a sockpuppet of Momimaus.
I am not. Momimaus stated that already by PM to koop4u.
I am just his girlfriend.
This wasn´t a stake for family, I am a unique person. Just take a look at my posts and stuff.
Can´t say more, I am just pissed of cryptos more and more.

As above i live with timmyd. That why we have the same ip. An tim if we keep having this same problem then you are going to have to move out :D lol

I think this is a solid strategy. Obviously there were people with huge groups of puppets (Koop mentioned one guy with 45). Those are the ones that we definitely want gone out of Node, not two people who state they are friends/partners/roomates.

How nice if Bitcointalk also implement this puppet labeling strategy. The place would be a lot safer and nicer.  8)

but bitcointalk.org saying explicity that sockpuppets are allowed and an legitime way to express different opinions then maybe your main-account.
That's the reason why the removal of suckpuppets is the duty of the developers and in our case also the duty of the community.

My house biatch you can live in your car in the garden

45? wow, that won't do for sure

https://i.imgur.com/eMhMgt8.jpg

Weren't you removed from NEM stakeholder's list? It wasn't smart to buy Node stake under this account, man.

UPD: Sorry, I confused you with someone else. Found you on the Final Stakeholder List.

Where can i find NEM stakeholder list? All i can find is offline.

@patmast3r

You've found out that all these are one person. How come most of them are in Final Stakeholder List  ??? Did UF somehow explain it?

659cb4e047e7ec16acf7db7c392f6424f6d156c7c6b6d424ad14b2f71a3df3d9 - boomboom
94f50a9df013e2b9f4c27cc377b89c842d8fa92ed29ad6ba775a2693b5bcf939 - wezelvis
3b42700aab9265bd365675420af951e59eb2233aca5299590cce3d7621e5bba7 - Attack.of.the.Clones
d924def9cc5db9a7a50761f26fbab918fb748cd7dbf20e8a30688721cf87c9bc - sockpuppet_1
ff455047c6e0403a804ec402a8b2d4f75b46f64d33323b153c7ee5daa2ce2045 - sockpuppet_4
6792e1e9036a8a217f2cd520e97324fd0418b59b252a71a6d41cdf436b162096 - sockpuppet_3
34704ad6230b98db1a63df3141ed968aa83ae5e987c74d5c333fcd08cf009f6f - sockpuppet_2
494be27498724f5072a600de0df4c92167ac77f13d73863125b243303f3583f0 - ?
2734187ad5f0a3f1b6f227bdb2993d0f57498e2b3f4bbaf1389e17ce4f745309 - KLONE

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak91SD0veCeddDdmTkdaWV8zbHp2dWlodDVEVUItbXc&usp=sharing#gid=10

@koop4u

What's with those who deleted? Why did you delete them, not just labeled as others?

Here's a list with btc and nxt addresses that paid for severa stakes - multi-accer address https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgHJzpkvTvCxdG40TDJrT1VkWXRKeHBCZGhRUXdPanc#gid=0

We can check Nem threads and find what accounts these addresses belong to.

What a "nice" surprise. I'm not anybody's sockpuppet and I didn't create sockpuppets myself. I have no idea why you think I am.

So when do me and timmyd find out that you have taken us off the list?

I don't think anyone of other 3 guys might even consider to take your stakes away. It would be madness.

So I believe you can just forget about this nonsense.

I also use Tor when going to the forums here.  Please remove me as a sock puppet.  I'm labeled as P56 and here are the other P56 "sock puppets" w/ the line # in the spreadsheet.

223 cryptoknightt
792 dgex_victim
796 UtopianNow
853 Dmitro
888 Triley
930 Volandetort

I'm on line #153 which is the first of this group and way earlier than these others.  I've been registered on bitcointalk.org since October 20, 2012.  I don't post a lot because I usually find what I need on the forums.

Got it. It's just that I was searching for Nem puppets who paid in Nxt and only put together accounts that paid for stakes from one address. That's why I thought everybody else did the same. If it was just taint analysys then of course it doesn't prove anything for sure.

I want my stakes back if others are getting extra

But you said yourself that you created additional account/accounts in order to get more stakes.

What does it have to do with two different people who live together and bought one stake each?

You posted yourself that anyone with only two puppets will be automatically removed from the puppet list. Make up your mind, dude. I want one my stake back in that case.

But you can't have it back because you admitted that you had a puppet.

Then why are you removing all 2 puppet accounts from the list without verifying if they are puppet?  Fucking hypocrite

@Eadeqa
Be patient and calm down, please. Dzarmush just announced his own opinion (not decision !). Everybody will be fairly checked by the whole committee.

Because there's almost no chance to prove they have 1 puppet.

In other words, NODE "puppet committee"  includes idiots like you who award liars.  

All you have to is "lie" then you get more stakes. Nice start to the coin that is based on liars as stakeholders.

Why this idiot is part of the committee?

How are you going to prove they're puppets? Ask them to send you their passports scans?

You said everyone with 2 accounts automatically gets a free account, proof or no proof. Make your mind up, you stupid son of a bitch.

If they look alright and don't admit they're puppets.

Of course if there are two accounts "user1" and "user2" registered one after another they won't get shit. Need to take a closer look at every user, read their comments and stuff.

so your "great" analytical skill in finding puppets is based on whether their user ID is  "user1" and "user2" . As I said, you are an idiot.

what does analytical skill have to do with puppet investigation process? there are either solid proves or not

it's about facts, nothing else

if you can prove someone is a puppet then he is a puppet, if you can't he's not

If there is evidence that someone is a puppet (same IP, date, time for logins), then he is a puppet, unless they can prove they are not.

You are annoying, Eadega. You're a cheater and no one is interested on your opinion.  :P  :P

    At last, I've found  the appropriate thread . I have been put down as a puppet . Just want
    to say that I'm a real person . I want to confirm that I am the flatmate of the other two accused and  yes , stupidly ,we used the same computer.

I was labeled as a puppet and now I'm deleted. Why? Because I didn't complain earlier? But devs said stop posting and wait for the committee so I was waiting. Check me again, please.

Can the committee members who sustained a case please explain their decision? Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything. We gave you money and this is not Wild West...

I'd also want to know that. It looks like they just want to get more coins to themselves.

timmyd and stuipooi123 are roommates for god's sake, they even posted their pictures.

GatorJMT and bluewhackadoo are a couple and both accounts have huge activity. Do you even check profiles before making a decision?

haggis and wegsturm also rommates and also have acivity, especially haggis.

With Case P84 I agree. There are three new accounts smartbomb, cupper5 and ZTP62 registered within few minutes on the forum. I don't believe they are three different people.

i agree. we deserve to know why

@hypersire how come this strategy became unsolid and you voted for elimination every single person?

i guess hypersire clicked the wrong box then, me and timmyd live in the same house. yes i don't have a lot of activity because i am new to this and copy what timmyd dose

We did register onto the forum at the same time and we are 3 different people. Our money is gone and we are not stakeholders in nodecoin . It's your loss guys.

I believe all stakes will be refunded.

I can confirm timmyd and stuipooi are both real people not a schitzophrenic multi account sockpuppet. Timmyd is an active member of the nxt comunity and if you asked or checked there you would see this to be true. Although stuipooi has not much activity this is due to him having a busy lifestyle and majoritavly at work. Please concider a yes vote to keep them both as they are good bag holders neither will just frivelously dump if they are removed from the stakeholder list i know atleast 5 true stake holders whom will discontinue support

It's not the stakes so much dzarmush , for ages it seems we have been talking up this project to everyone we know cos we thought it was worthwhile. We agreed to put real effort into it .We are just disappointed.

Ye i have thank dzarmush you tried for us but if the rest of the comittie cant spot the difference between a puppet and 2 real person then theres big trouble ahead And they now look very silly.

I see no reason to take away all 3 stakes. I think you should get your stake coz there's no chance to prove you're not 3 different persons. But since it looks very suspicious the other two accounts shouldn't get their stakes.

i can also confirm these 2 are real. myself, regtable, stuipooi123 and timmyd are all friends.
Now stuipooi has low activity on his account as he lives with timmyd who is an active member on multiple forums so as stu lives with tim he gets all the information he needs via tim so has no need to post unless he needs to.

they paid from separate accounts not the same one, they also use 2 separate computers.

What do you want from these guys? they have posted pictures of themselves on here which 90% of this entire bct forum users would not.

koop4u your account is a new account so you have obviously created that account to protect your own true identity. so for all we know multiple of the stake holders accounts could be yours.

its funny really considering all this shit regarding sockpuppet accounts when yourself are obviously a "sockpuppet account"

PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE FIGHTING FOR THERE STAKES AND PROVING THEMSELVES TO YOU WHEN IN REALITY WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT YOURSELF?

I didn't vote for the elimination of anybody, quite the opposite. I chose sustained because in all the cases, it is clear those people are all coming from the same IP so the possibility is always there that it really is only one person. It was the correct call to flag them.

The devs had already planned to give one stake to these cases where there were two users involved. I let them know that my vote is that it is ok to give 2 stakes to one IP if people post their case in this thread. There really are very few of those cases so it is simply not worth spending time, energy and hurt feelings over it. For example, the two guys who posted with the sock puppets - I see nothing wrong with giving them 2 stakes.

So bottom line, NOBODY WILL BE ROBBED OF THEIR STAKES! One stake per IP is guaranteed, possibly 2. I am personally OK with 2 since there are so few cases but that decision is up to the devs in the end.

The sock puppet removal was a huge success as it found one guy with 45 and others with tens of sock puppets. Those are the kind of people that need to be removed, not two people who claim to live together!

Id also be very interested in seeing everybody who is on the comittie/dev side to list their username stakes especially koop4u
Can we clarify that all the comitte members understand which option sustain and reject is.
it should be sockpuppet yes/no

But in the document you voted "sustain" which means you agree with devs and all these people should lose their stakes.

This is not true that they will lose all of their stakes. The devs had already planned to allow them to keep one, I even recommended to give 2 as a maximum. Nobody will be kicked out of Node entirely stakeless.

I don't understand. You're saying one thing but voting for another. You're ok with timmyd and stuipooi123 having their stakes but you voted against it.

you guys dont know what sustain means?  ::)

I'm gonna change sustain and reject for something else.

UPD: Changed to "Sockpuppets" and "Real People". Shouldn't be any confusion anymore.

if one person has few accounts and gets to keep one stake then yes they wont be stake less. but with me and timmyd if only one of gets a stake the other will be without

and if the sock puppet removal is up to the dev in the end why are you guys evan voting

+1  ;D

You can find the (almost all) names in 1st post.

Be patient  :)

  
I will explain my decision to everyone who wants. But not now because we have to wait for all votes of the committee!  
 Btw: You said: "..Currently it just looks as some members just sustain everything.."   And you´ve got this information from whom?  

TO ALL

Be patient and keep the thread clean.

I see they may have got confused. and the options are more clear now. But tbh i shouldnt have been on the list let alone have my stake even voted on!

I've been permanently removed without any trial. No PM from devs, no nothing, just removed. Wtf?

Probably some asshole from the same P# PMd devs and said that all other accounts are his puppets in order to receive his stake and devs deleted everybody but him? I hate how you handle Node, like amatures.

#Dev on the Line!

Sorry everyone, it is my mistake!! Just Noticed that i expressed my thoughts in a dualist manner!!! I'm the one to blame for the created confusion!

Thanks Dzarmush for making it clear and simple, i will add (remove) & (keep) so everyone gets the message!

@ Stupid insinuations  - The Dev Team and The Committee representatives have no agreement, we haven't promised nor have we paid them! They are just random active members of our community! We asked them to represent NODE, and they kindly agreed!!! If you guys think that there is something at the middle... you are wrong. 

@ Novva! That is why this thread was created! To fill a complaint! If you think that something went not the way it supposed too! State it here, as it is your right and the Committee will decide!

That is the point of all this trial! It is a way to show a Community representative that you are a real person and you have honest intentions!

Sorry for my reaction. I decided that the committee is handling questionable accounts and if you deleted someone there won't be any future listenings.

       from a guilty till proven innocent point of view it may look suspicious , I do agree. From our point of view it was just three friends who live together who were doing something together. If the devs had not hidden the fact that IPs were getting checked then this problem wouldn't have happened. Was it never expected that friends or small groups would get interested together?..everyone had to act alone?

Of course not. But if at least one of your accounts was registered a while ago, say 1 or 2 months and two newbies it would look like one of you pointed out that there's a good investment opportunity, so you created two new accounts and invested. But 3 newbie accts in a raw. Suspicious.

Got the information from the "Puppet Removal Committee Decision Sheet" of course. At the time of writing the columns were named "Sustain" and "Reject" so I hope it was just confusion that caused all the crosses on the dark side of the sheet.

That doesn't make any sense. My sustain votes are all to sustain the people and their stakes.
If sustain really means take away their stakes then this couldn't have been set-up any more confusing. wtf ?

Just saw that the options have now been changed. Geezz....

Yep. It meant sustain devs decision and take stakes away or reject it and keep stakes to people.

I changed options to "sockpuppets" and "people" so nobody would be confused and koop4u edited them again.

Got it ;) My bad. I thought the list isn´t public.

@DEVS, In English the options to agree or disagree with a decision are Uphold (agree) or Over-rule (dis-agree).

Sustain is only used in Legal circles http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sustain (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sustain)

Legal terms are intentionally obfuscated from the general population, thereby forcing the need for their representation (which can be manipulated) when defending themselves and thereby removing power of control over their own fate from their hands. This is a form of bondage.

Hmm I like that explanation, I'll add it to my quotes list. :)

Thanks for clarifying this!

@koop4u
I have send PM to you.  ;)

 have a few problems, my company's colleagues at the beginning of the NODE is very interested in, so I help they established some accounts, now is regarded as a puppet, I don't know how to explain to them and they gave me the BTC I has been sent, for such a situation?
I don't know how to explain to them, there are  some best friends at that time is I help them, so also don't know what to do now！
Wait  for  your  reply~

Looks like devs removed you from the list. Need to wait for details from them.

I am one of the tor users. Am I ok now?

Hello. I'm listed as P93. One account is for me and the other in the name of Kinzula, this is a stake that I bought my girlfriend as a gift. I hope that this is acceptable but if not, by all means refund the 2nd stake and leave just mine.

Oh and I know that it's 2 different coins but I did the same thing for NEM and their sock puppet removal measures left us with a stake each, just in case that counts for anything.

My account was deleted. I am not a puppet. Whom I need send PM?

Hi!

Me and my wife are labeled as socketpuppets P30.

What should I do to remove it?

Thanks!

@dev/ comitte

Can you please confirm that i still have my stake. Just timmyd has had a pm confirming he still has his stake and i have not

Of course you have it. Committee members voted 100% for you. And both you and timmyd were unlabeled in the list.

Case Rockhill

He stated that he's from South Africa and other guys look like Japanese. He tried to keep distance from Asia like he can't even distinguish Chinese language from Japanese. But it turned out he's Chinese himself. That's why I voted against him keeping all stakes.

# Daily Report

Added 3 more cases! And pm'd a lot of users!


Planning to add 4 complains tomorrow morning! And after that we'll switch to the Member List!


I think we will start with the TOr users :)


Stay awesome - Gotham!

Case P11

I think it's possible that two buddies access their accounts together during one session. Also both accounts are pretty active and look independent. Even if not we can't prove it's not two different persons. So I voted in their favour.

Case P006

It's very unlikely that 6 friends gathered together to create 6 accounts in a row within 25 minutes and then nobody log in to his account again. So it's pretty obvious that one person created all addresses at once. I don't think it's possible that 5 friends asked their 6th friend to create accounts for all of them. If they are male students, especially in IT why would they do it? That's why I voted against them keeping all stakes.

What happened? Why did you decide I'm a sockpuppet or have other sockpuppets and didn't even ask me anything? Just erased me from the list.

I know that I'm not the most active forum user, but people, you can't delete someone just because he has low activity. Well, you obviously can but you shouldn't. There wasn't any rules about it. I registered on the forum in order to get Nxtl stake. How could you just kick someone out like that?

If you deleted me because my IP matched with someone elses then it simply because I use Tor. Please look closer at my activity or IP or whatever and give me my membership back.

@koop4u @dzarmush
I dont understand, will be my case checked. I have Pmd @koop4u in the beginning of puppet removal that I am not a puppet, but he said that relatives is forbidden. So I agree that my account will be deleted and now I see that everyone has right to have relatives accounts. I hope my account did not totally removed.

I don't quite get this. You think it's possible that 2 guys can access accounts at same time but not 3. I notice that my flat mate still has his stake ( cupper5 ) but I don't presumably because he has posted more than me even although I introduced him to cryptocurrencies . I have never felt the need to post much before. You can't prove that the 3 of us are not different people so why not vote in our favour?

If you want to know the reasons why i voted against you:
          - all of your 3 accounts were registred in a timeframe of 5 minutes
          - and a similar pattern in your NODE-registration process
          - and..

at least it looks relatively clear.      

I will make a list, with the reasons why i voted for sockpuppet-status, so if anyone
is interested i can post it, after it is finished.
But if i make a vote for sockpuppet-status, i will have good reasons for doing this
and you can be sure that i had a deep look into the case, before i vote.

Yes, because we were working TOGETHER!!!!! on every occasion .If we wanted to create sockpuppets why on earth would we stop at 2 ? ....anyway I'm getting nowhere fast. I'm finished.

@ smartbomb

cupper5 said: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686541.msg7795834#msg7795834)

"...We missed out on NEM.."

-  but he posted 30x (total posts 33) in NEM thread and most of them he talked about sockpuppets (things like: "..What are you guys doing?you are making too much of this and continuing the sock puppet.."  or his FIRST post ever: "..I think a lot of effort is being wasted by some of the 'fraudster chasers'...".
 Makes no sense to me.
btw. You said: "..If we wanted to create sockpuppets why on earth would we stop at 2.."  If you can´t explain cupper5´s NEM posts i suggest there could be more...


cupper5 said:
 "... We have a flatmate too who is also really enthusiastic about the newstyle cryptocurrencies, she is smartbomb (1076)..."  

- "enthusiastic " means for you 10 posts (7 in node thread)?


Next:

- ZTP62 with only 3 "posts"  
- all of your 3 accounts were registred in a timeframe of 4 minutes (btw: you said: "..even although I introduced him to cryptocurrencies.." - but you decided to registrate all together?)

And so on

Ok I can answer for myself. First ,I have no stakes in NEM. I am however interested in its progress and was thinking of getting some but when I noticed that they were going to do another audit I was amazed because several that lasted for months had already been done. I just thought another audit would ruin the project. I believe that most on that thread agree.

Smartbomb is no longer enthusiastic about nodecoin.

She was trading altcoins but I believe wasn't signed up to forums.

Ztp62 is not active but does show interest and is my partner.

The opening of accounts was for the 3 of us and yes , they were done one after the other. So what?

Anyone taking care of my case?

Devs didn't proceed with it yet. We'll take a look at details when it appears here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfiENBwOG2uoE_1yJop0-rIJkoSS9xQBkXTLOC1OoyU/edit#gid=0

Thanks for the info! I will be watching,

cheers,

jaspita

# Daily Update!

Added 8 more cases!

Filled all the available complains!

Next Up: Member List!

I dont get any Pm. Did you add my case?

Just wanted to say that me and the other two re-registered at the same time. This was after the problem with the accounts as a whole and there was a rush to do it. Actually when we paid and registered the first time we didn't do it together. My member number is 1171 , the other 2 were 1067 and 1076 so there was considerable time between payments and registration .

Case P56
Schnötzel found an evidence that dgex_victim was originally created as an extra account for someone: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg5853790#msg5853790

Case P009
I know it may be hard to believe that all those 5 accounts are different people, but cryptonikus gave a very good explanation and I personally faced the same problem with my friends when I tryed to get them into Nem. I offered all of them 500 Nxt to buy a stake but they didn't care. Even my own brother. Finally I had to buy a stake for my brother and send him a passphrase to access his account. Also all accounts look independent to me.

Case P59
Accounts were created on April 12 and April 13. That's ok, it's possible. Paid fee the same day and posted Node addresses next day. Still ok. But then both accounts were active plus minus the same day and finaly both accounts accessed their new Node adresses within 5 minutes. Doesn't seem to be just a coinsedence.

Case P31
Seem ok to me. Just two accounts, both pretty active. See no reason why couldn't they be colleagues.

Case P57
Tor users. See nothing in common between their accounts. Even time of Node address access. Especially one of them who logged in just once instead of twice as others and 30 minutes later.

Case P93
jcarl987 admitted that he created the second acount and bought the second stake.

Case P30
A man and his wife bought one stake each. What might be wrong with it.

Case P68
At first I voted against them but then checked IP. All 6 accounts are Tor users with no connection between them whatsoever. Also no time relaited evidences. All of them logged in to Node accounts on different days between June 1 and June 23.

Did you have a chance to look at my details? I'm still deleted and have no idea why.

The Committee is currently dealing case p68!

Ah, ok, thanks.

Just looked through the Investor list and found out that my username and account number have been deleted. I see some other people faced such problem. Could you please take a look at my account again. I'm not a pupet and I didn't make puppets. I use Tor and that's might be a reason I've been removed. I really hope to get back on the list.

Hi, the 2nd stake was for my girlfriend. I'm not sure how that is different from case 30, which you have greenlighted? It doesn't count because I'm not married yet? ;)

Well, it's kinda the same but techically it's not. When two people who know each other buy stakes it's one thing. When one person buys two stakes and says that the second one is for his girlfriend/frind/sister it's another thing.

There are certain rules I have to follow. I can't vote in your favor, although I think buying a stake for someone is a good thing. Utopian said that's it's ok to buy a second stake for someone you know. Koop4u didn't allow it. If devs would say it's ok to buy one stake for someone you know I'd be first to vote for you keeping the second stake.

@koop4u

Dzarmush has already posted on my behalf. I know him like forever. And I do know NEMoon who is highlighted as P51 with me. We know each other for many years since Dzarmush introduced us. He's like a crypto guru of our small group :) Hope to keep my membership and will be waiting for a committee decision.

Interesting how the writing styles here are exactly the same. Short sentences together. Same level of English and with the exact same ' present perfect problem ' .

I was also in the list, why now I'm not in the list? Deleted? What reason?

Well the criteria on the spreadsheet is sock-puppet or real person. My girlfriend is certainly a real person so I think this is pretty unfair. What difference does it make if she physically sent the coins or not? I could have quite easily just said she bought it herself but I chose to be honest and I feel I'm being unfairly punished for it. How do I explain to her that she is having her stake taken away from her because she wasn't the person who clicked the buttons? People like her who lack technical knowledge but mix in circles that people on this forum do not are exactly the sort of people that crypto would benefit from including.

Anyway I see you are just trying to follow the rules so no slight against you, I'm arguing more against this rule which doesn't seems to be hung up on a technicality rather than the real point of this, which is that each stake should go to a real person.

Do you include the deleted ones or just the Pxx ones?

The problem is (same with case 30): Next time everybody will registrate a new account, claims he´s married and need two stakes. After that, everybody need 3rd stake for brother, sister, best friend,...
I´m married also but count me and my wife as one person, because i´m an active member here and she´s not.
btw. you can´t tell me your wife girlfriend (with 3 posts) is a crypto nerd, too.
Hope you understand my decision.

Yeah I understand your decision. My girlfriend is definitely not a crypto nerd and that is entirely my point. Surely we would all benefit from expanding beyond the nerd-sphere and including other people. My girlfriend has a PHD in medicine and works for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in Europe - including professionals like this who are educated and wealthy but maybe don't have a computing/nerd background would be a plus for Node and crypto in general, no?

Anyway I won't argue it anymore, I said what I felt I had to say and no hard feelings whatever the outcome :)

You dont understand. If your sociable then you dont get in. You must be a lonely , introverted nerd to get a stake.

@ cupper5

The fact ZTP62 and smartbomb lost their stake (sockpuppets of cupper5) but you are the one trolling here, confirm our decision in your case.
THANKS


edit:

@jcarl987

2:1 - you´re still in the game  :)

@  schnötzel       


ok my last post was a bit trolly and I do apologise and I dont intend to do it again.I am trying to be constructive on the main thread.


but before I go it would be nice if I got a reply to my 2 previous posts.


considering that the objections were due to us registering at the same time.




No answer was the loud reply.

Tha fact that you didn't pay fee for 3 people at once doesn't vanish the fact that you registered 3 accounts within 4 minutes and logged in your Node accounts within 20 minutes.

and can you comment on this Dzarmush?

Comment on what? Take a look at your own posts.

"I can answer for myself. First, I have no stakes in NEM... ... I just thought another audit would ruin the project. I believe that most on that thread agree. Smartbomb is no longer enthusiastic about nodecoin. She was trading altcoins but I believe wasn't signed up to forums. Ztp62 is not active but does show interest and is my partner."

"Hi guys, just noticed on nxtl.eu that theres a problem with our stakes. Actually I still dont know how many stakes one person can claim. We missed out on NEM but were glad to see that there was a REAL competitor in NXTL. I thought that that you could pay for a partner too, similar to NEM."

"Done by the community who post a lot. Not everyone posts. This should not be a reason to throw someone out.".

Interesting how our writing styles here are exactly the same. Short sentences together.

dont worry, my last post on this deserted thread,

Is it possible for 2 or 3 guys who know each other to register/post/pay one after the other ?......ABSOLUTELY......

Are dzarmush and  BitEugene the same person ?...........ABSOLUTELY..........

Ok, we're the same person. Now stop trolling. You've got your stake, nobody is gonna take it from you, so relax dude.

I think we need some kind of time limit for appeals. There are lots of deleted users, they can pop up every now and then for months. Some of them could be real people with solid proves. A couple of weeks or so should be enough. But this info should be placed in both OP so nobody would miss it. Everybody is waiting for the launch, but obviously you can't launch until we're done with puppets.

What the hell  ???

And nonobody even bother to explain why they voted against me, why do you think I'm a puppet, do you delete all Tor users, why wouldn't devs just forbid using Tor at first place?

We are still in discussion behind the scene (even your case is marked as "sockpuppet" it doesn´t mean you will lose your stake coercible).

Be patient, please.

Thank you for the answer!

I'm not impatient, but this is becoming a never ending story. We definitely need a time limit.

devs you're doing great job.

my op:
maybe you can start distribution for stakeholders (without sockpuppets),
and then put time limit for complain.

When that time period is over, the rest of stakes you can distribute to
stakeholders (every stakeholders, or just stakeholders who didnt sell their coins)

Well looks like my girl gets to keep her stake. Thank you very much! :)

It won't be good also. After such release devs will be buzy with puppets insted of developing and promotion. The coin will be abandon for a while. Or puppet thing will last forever because devs are busy with coin. I think we should finish it before release.

I'm 100% agree. We have to remove first the puppets. But we need a timeline for this.

31-07 23:59: last submit of complaint

01-08 - 06-08: last days of examining and decisions.

07-08: presentation of final stakeholderlist.

08-08: start of distribution,

This is only a suggestion. But i think we need a plan.

@ dzarmush, mirador17, mladen00

I agree with you guys! This might take forever!

So far we dealt with all the available complaints!

Now we will start a new wave of cases without appeals!

But of course a time frame has to be set!

So at this time 30/07 will be declared the deadline for complaint submission!

Friday we will decide the rest! After managing the current workload!

Peace out!

You are wrong i complained privately to you  and nothing is solved

 Hi, I was labeled to be in sockcouple with btc24... Great job, we are actually real-life friends. Might use same IP address occasionally (being in the same location). But I would like to have my own stake ). Limited deanonymization is possible.

It counts also. If you PMd dev or posted a few words here it's counted, so you won't find you removed from the list without committee revewing details.

There is a lot of work going on behind the scene, your account will be checked soon.

wasted a lot of time,please to finish it quickly。。

This is not a waste of time. When you are accused of being a SockPuppet, you're happy if someone is investigating the case and not just delete you. This part is also very important, and i'm sure they all do the best. Thanks.

Hi devs, committee people. I wanted to tell a few words about me and my special one since we are under investigation. We moved together quite while ago and currently live in my place in Brooklyn, I guess that's might be a problem with our accounts.

P.S. Just fyi, no pressure, we won't be posting any rude stuff like others if you don't believe we are real. We'll gladly share one stake. Cheers.

so long .. july 30 ... you can decrease this to july 25  ;D  ;D  ;D

koop4u, I found myself removed from the list, I have no girlfriends, roommates, fiancees or other shit like that, I paid for my own and only my own stake. There is not a chance someone used my computer with my IP to access his/her account, although sometimes I use this Tor shit and I might enter my account with it and if I did you can easliy figure this out and put me back on the list or at least put it on the vote. Those panel guys look alright and don't just terminate users like you do.

Can I get an answer please?

I believe devs will create a case soon, no worries. It's unlikely that other committee folks would be against you getting a stake.

Funny story btw.

wtf I am orange in the list? I paid and am an active bittalk member.

Alright, thanks for the answer.

Can we get an update as to your progress and when you think you will be done?

I'd say by the end of July. Devs processed lots of new cases. Looks like only one batch left.

For some reason I cannot find myself in the list, I assume I've been treated as a puppet because I do not post much or because my IP matched with others or both. In my defence I can say that I always use Tor and do not post more than I need to. Please spend some more time and check my IP, you will find out that it belongs to Tor network.

Date Registered:    April 15, 2014,
Total Time Spent Online: 14 minutes.
Activity: 1
Posts: 2

http://www.the-fan.net/news/img/1308940380.jpg

But on a serious note. There's no requirements for being a Node member except one: to be a real person. If he's one of those accs that have been created one by one and logged in Node accounts winthin few minutes, no questions about it. Let's see what devs have on him.

 I approve this statement. Sorry for delay - I'm traveling right now and have very shitty internet connection most of the time. I'm not so open for 'deanonymization', but we can find solution if needed.

One word - TOR. Does it tell you anything? Yes? Great! Then go ahead and Google IP, assotiated with my account.

I don't have a clue why did you washed me away from the investors but the fact that you removed me without any notice is just pissing me off. When you needed money you were very welcoming but now you've got enough and you're removing people one by one and don't even feel obligated to tell something in advance. If someone used the same IP as I did, then check it twice, geniuses, because I always use Tor.

Hmm, let's see....

You created your account on Apr 14 and immediately posted your payment in the NXTL thread.

You then posted again in the NXTL thread on Apr 21 stating that you were not added to the investor's list.

You did not post again until today, or more than 3 months later, to state that you are not a sock puppet.

I think you can tell which way my vote will go.

Foros and Glazzz your complains are registered and the committee is currently examining them!

You can see the Case result here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfiENBwOG2uoE_1yJop0-rIJkoSS9xQBkXTLOC1OoyU/edit

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I thought we're voting based on real person/puppet status, but it turns out 4 of 5 committee members decided to vote high activity/low activity on this particuar case.

I voted against him because he is an obvious sock puppet, not just due to the low activity but also the IP association.

This guy literally logged into Bitcointalk 3 times over a period of 3 months. First time to indicate his payment, second time to complain he wasn't on the stakeholder's list, third time to complain that he isn't a sock puppet. It doesn't get anymore obvious than that.

I personally see no reasons for someone to post anything if he only wanted to buy a stake in Node and sell it later with high ROI. There is no IP association. It's Tor IP and log in time is different.

I suggested to give both accounts 1/2 stake. If two accounts belong to 1 person he'd still only get 1 stake. If they're two different people they can only blame themselves for low activity.

That's not why I voted against him.
The TOR argument is bullshit for me anyway. How likely is it that 2 completely unrelated people have the same exit-node on the same day and both join this IPO ?
What the account activity looked like to me (I'm talking node account now not btt) is he's usually using TOR and forgot to use it on one occaison.